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Re: Media Bias?
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2012, 07:51:28 PM »

Your choice of topic title did that.  You cannot say "media bias" and not mean media.

Ahhh, totally different than anything I got from your posts.  Yes, advocacy journalism is becoming bad.  I was shocked when  it came out that Bush was paying established journalists to do propaganda articles in the name of journalism. 

However, I do not see how going from a journalist job to an admin job is necessarily wrong, unless you feel that there is a quid pro qua from past reporting or intentional bias before the move. 



Actually - I admitted earlier that the thread title was not done as well as could be - my fault. I took the title from part of the story that I quoted and cited. 

Just wondering if everyone is getting that the words in italics are not mine but from the story cited? 

That, to me, is the issue.  We have grown comfortable to "journalist" or "surveys" being not only bought and paid for but "advocating" a position instead of reporting simple facts.  I think it continues an unhealthy environment and in the end the average voter is overwhelmed with trivial information that really helps to add clarity to any issue. 
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Re: Media Bias?
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2012, 11:12:11 PM »

Follow the money...

SourceWatch > The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) > John Stauber

Guess where John falls on the political spectrum?
John Stauber is an independent organizer, investigative writer, public speaker, author of six books and consultant. He founded the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD)  in 1993 to create the only public interest and journalism organization dedicated to exposing organized corporate and government propaganda and its impacts on democracy, public information and democratic social change.

Stauber served for sixteen years as CMD's Executive Director, fundraiser and on its board of directors. He retired from CMD in 2009 and Lisa Graves became CMD's next Executive Director.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_Stauber
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2012, 12:31:07 AM »

John Stauber is an independent organizer, investigative writer, public speaker, author of six books and consultant. He founded the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD)  in 1993 to create the only public interest and journalism organization dedicated to exposing organized corporate and government propaganda and its impacts on democracy, public information and democratic social change.

Stauber served for sixteen years as CMD's Executive Director, fundraiser and on its board of directors. He retired from CMD in 2009 and Lisa Graves became CMD's next Executive Director.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_Stauber


Seriously?   I already mapped the relationships of these people/groups:

SourceWatch > The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) > John Stauber

You still cite a biography for John Stauber from child organization that receives it's funding from a parent organization that John Stauber founded as a reference for John Stauber

Both of these groups, The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) and Sourcewatch are funded in part by the sale of John's books.   

http://www.prwatch.org/books

John probably wrote the information that you cited.   

Thanks for the independent source to support your position.   
« Last Edit: February 21, 2012, 12:43:36 AM by excelsior »
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Re: Media Bias?
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2012, 10:33:16 AM »

Seriously?   I already mapped the relationships of these people/groups:

SourceWatch > The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) > John Stauber

You still cite a biography for John Stauber from child organization that receives it's funding from a parent organization that John Stauber founded as a reference for John Stauber

Both of these groups, The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) and Sourcewatch are funded in part by the sale of John's books.   

http://www.prwatch.org/books

John probably wrote the information that you cited.   

Thanks for the independent source to support your position.
Where is your source? Good luck finding an unbiased one.
And note that John retired in 2009...
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Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

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Re: Media Bias?
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2012, 09:01:18 PM »

Where is your source? Good luck finding an unbiased one.
And note that John retired in 2009...

My source?   I like Joe Friday's statement  "Just the facts, ma'am".   

Just give me the facts and I am capable of drawing my own independent conclusions.  I am sure that I am not alone in this desire.   I hate op-ed pieces that attempt to pretend to news articles.

You have raised the bar of bias to amazingly high level with this attempt.  John did leave, but what are the odds that 6 of 7 books in their bookstore were written by an author named John Stauber?

The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq (2006)
Banana Republicans: How the Right Wing is Turning America Into a One-Party State (2004)
Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq (2003)
Trust Us, We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles With Your Future (2001)
Mad Cow USA (1997)
Toxic Sludge Is Good For You: Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry (1995) )
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2012, 09:14:48 PM »

My source?   I like Joe Friday's statement  "Just the facts, ma'am".   

Just give me the facts and I am capable of drawing my own independent conclusions.  I am sure that I am not alone in this desire.   I hate op-ed pieces that attempt to pretend to news articles.

You have raised the bar of bias to amazingly high level with this attempt.  John did leave, but what are the odds that 6 of 7 books in their bookstore were written by an author named John Stauber?

The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq (2006)
Banana Republicans: How the Right Wing is Turning America Into a One-Party State (2004)
Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq (2003)
Trust Us, We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles With Your Future (2001)
Mad Cow USA (1997)
Toxic Sludge Is Good For You: Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry (1995) )
So how did you associate John with CMD?

Perhaps you're just ashamed of your source.

I suppose you could've pulled it out of the same place many righties do.  ;)
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Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

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Re: Media Bias?
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2012, 09:31:34 PM »

So how did you associate John with CMD?



Mr. Stauber (I won't call him "John" because . . . honestly, I don't know him) was the founder of the Center for Media and Democracy - your earlier post, in fact, is a near quote from CMD's website (see below) I am not sure I understand the question being posed. 

Excelsior - what is the assertion that you are making - that anyting associated with CMD or Sourcewatch is tainted because of the association with Mr. Stauber?  If so, why?  If not . . . could you explain what you are asserting? 

http://www.prwatch.org/users/4/john-stauber
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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2012, 08:51:11 AM »

News story this morning from Philadelphia. 

Seems that "a group of potential buyers led by former Gov. Ed Rendell would turn the papers into mere mouthpieces of the Democratic Party in a 2012 swing state. Mr. Rendell, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, is teaming with George Norcross, the Democratic Party boss of southern New Jersey, and others in an effort to purchase the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Daily News and the company’s website, philly.com."

In response to this "Journalists at both papers are so concerned that nearly 300 of them signed a public statement last week calling on the current and any future owners to protect the integrity of their reporting. They said the current owner, Philadelphia Media Network (PMN), has censored their coverage of the sale.  “As The Philadelphia Inquirer, Daily News and Philly.com have gone up for sale once again, we watched with dismay as our own coverage of the process was compromised and censored,” the statement says."

Good Job to the Journalist for coming out and saying that they would like a public declaration of that they can write and print the news without censorship (as they have alleged in the past). 

That is my concern - that the integrity of reporting the news is maintained.  Currently . . . to many times reporting becomes "op-ed" and or slanted blogs and networks with an overt "lean" one way or another.  I think that coming and going from any political administration continues to blur the lines of "opinion" and "fact".   

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/21/sale-of-philadelphia-newspapers-raises-bias-concer/
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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2012, 12:53:15 PM »

News story this morning from Philadelphia. 

Seems that "a group of potential buyers led by former Gov. Ed Rendell would turn the papers into mere mouthpieces of the Democratic Party in a 2012 swing state. Mr. Rendell, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, is teaming with George Norcross, the Democratic Party boss of southern New Jersey, and others in an effort to purchase the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Daily News and the company’s website, philly.com."

In response to this "Journalists at both papers are so concerned that nearly 300 of them signed a public statement last week calling on the current and any future owners to protect the integrity of their reporting. They said the current owner, Philadelphia Media Network (PMN), has censored their coverage of the sale.  “As The Philadelphia Inquirer, Daily News and Philly.com have gone up for sale once again, we watched with dismay as our own coverage of the process was compromised and censored,” the statement says."

Good Job to the Journalist for coming out and saying that they would like a public declaration of that they can write and print the news without censorship (as they have alleged in the past). 

That is my concern - that the integrity of reporting the news is maintained.  Currently . . . to many times reporting becomes "op-ed" and or slanted blogs and networks with an overt "lean" one way or another.  I think that coming and going from any political administration continues to blur the lines of "opinion" and "fact".   

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/21/sale-of-philadelphia-newspapers-raises-bias-concer/
Well if Fox News can do it, then why not others?
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Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

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« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2012, 01:09:59 PM »

Well if Fox News can do it, then why not others?

Which is really the point - nobody should do it - should they?  But - as I maybe uninformed are there owners within FOX or the parent company which are former elected officials or party heads? 

I don't know that it bothers me when former politicians go into "talk shows" (ala Gov. Granholm, Congressman Scarborough and so on) as you know what you are getting. 

Ownership and moving from being a reporter to working for an political administration - I have very mixed feelings on that and find it inappropriate. 
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« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2012, 01:48:04 PM »

Which is really the point - nobody should do it - should they?  But - as I maybe uninformed are there owners within FOX or the parent company which are former elected officials or party heads? 

I don't know that it bothers me when former politicians go into "talk shows" (ala Gov. Granholm, Congressman Scarborough and so on) as you know what you are getting. 

Ownership and moving from being a reporter to working for an political administration - I have very mixed feelings on that and find it inappropriate.
Meh...I'm more concerned about politicians and other government officials that accept positions where they can game the system....or even accept positions as payback for something they did while they were in government.

At least with the media, one understands to consider the source and verify the information before swallowing it hook line and sinker.
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I guess disabling the report to admin link only on the lib side was indicative of the slanted games they play.

Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

1) I did nothing to warrant the banishment, it's political.

2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

3) The moron stalkers from MT contemplating a visit will be considered a threat and can expect to have a bad day if they act upon those idiotic thoughts.

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« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2012, 10:35:19 PM »

Mr. Stauber (I won't call him "John" because . . . honestly, I don't know him) was the founder of the Center for Media and Democracy - your earlier post, in fact, is a near quote from CMD's website (see below) I am not sure I understand the question being posed. 

Excelsior - what is the assertion that you are making - that anyting associated with CMD or Sourcewatch is tainted because of the association with Mr. Stauber?  If so, why?  If not . . . could you explain what you are asserting? 

http://www.prwatch.org/users/4/john-stauber


"The Fry" used SourceWatch to validate to John Stauber.   Sourcewatch is part of The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) which is an organization that John Stauber founded.   John Stauber likely penned the verbiage that "The Fry" quoted.

My source is The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD)
http://www.prwatch.org/cmd
The Center was founded in Madison, Wisconsin, in 1993 by John Stauber.

Would anyone use Microsoft as a source to validate the independent great works of Bill Gates?  The biased nature of "The Fry's" supporting documentation is simply ridiculous.
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« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2012, 10:39:46 PM »

CMD is VERY liberal, in case you hadn't figured that out already. </sarcasm>
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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2012, 11:05:58 AM »

An absurd New York Times piece that addresses right wing criticism of President Obama takes it further by doubling down on the conservative arguments. Meanwhile, a new Pew Research Center report shows that 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney has received significantly more positive media coverage than President Obama. The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur explains the difference between stupid criticism of Obama versus relevant criticism (for example, the execution of U.S. citizens abroad).

NY Times Terrified Of Liberal Media Charge, Accepts RW Criticism Of Obama
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Edited to add:

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Re: Media Bias?
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2012, 01:42:00 PM »

Shrinking the news… and our democracy

What's the No. 1 source of news for most Americans? The internet, you say? Nyet. The New York Times or Wall Street Journal? Uh-uh. Some fear that it's Fox TV, the shameless spewer of right-wing hokum. But, no, not even close.

The reality is even scarier than Fox. Get ready to shudder, for America's top news source is: your local television stations. Yes, the daily purveyors of car wrecks and features on the season's biggest zucchini are the media outlets keeping the masses informed on the issues of the day. Should we laugh, fall down sobbing, or just go bowling?

In fairness, some local stations do a cracker-jack job, but few even meet a functioning democracy's minimum daily requirement for "news to use" – chiefly because they're nearly all owned by corporate chains that constantly cut reporters and editors and shy away from aggressive reporting, especially any reporting on major advertisers.

Now, though, another corporate contagion is spreading throughout TV-land, further shriveling the ability (or even the desire) of local stations to fulfill their news reporting duty to the public. Call it "cookie-cutter" news. Rather than competing to dig up the best stories, two or more stations in a city have been quietly signing "shared services agreements," meaning they share one news director, video reports, local interviews, graphics, office space, and even the scripts read by their news anchors. Except for different network logos on the screen, the broadcasts are basically the same, often word for word.

At least 83 TV markets, from Vermont to Hawaii, now have stations engaged in this anti-competitive collusion, abrogating their responsibility to use our airwaves for the public good. For more information and action, go to the watchdog group FreePress at www.freepress.net.

"You Can Change the Channel, But Local News Is The Same," The New York Times, May 29, 2012.
http://www.jimhightower.com/node/7772
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I guess disabling the report to admin link only on the lib side was indicative of the slanted games they play.

Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

1) I did nothing to warrant the banishment, it's political.

2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

3) The moron stalkers from MT contemplating a visit will be considered a threat and can expect to have a bad day if they act upon those idiotic thoughts.

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