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Re: A list of Donald Trump's Achievements as President....
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2017, 11:47:28 PM »

You're supposed to be at work "working" Not tweeting, emailing updates about your day to the press and facebook. They still have no doubt an official outlet for releasing news and complying with FOIA requests.
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2017, 12:25:29 AM »

Agreed Maverick, ah Tim most state laws mirror federal laws to some extent. I could be wrong but the high courts have ruled employees have no reasonable expectation of privacy in the workplace ... I knew this to be true, as I was a government employee before I retired, due in part to the Obama Fraud.

Anyways, we all understood the telephone lines were not private. We knew the computers we used in the capacity of our jobs in the office or in the vehicle were not actually private and we also there we were constantly monitored by video and audio, even the wall lockers were subject to search with or without permission.

So, I guess the best way that I understood it was yes, I had First Amendment right like everyone else but it was also understood as a condition of my employment these were the rules and we were expected to comply with them. What we did on our own time away from work was of no concern of my employer so long as I followed the rules, policies, directives, regulations and code of conduct.   
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2017, 03:20:00 AM »

My concern is what if they have a policy change regarding what amount of lead is allowed in our drinking water and they decide not to release that information to the general public.

Or they decide that fracking in certain areas previously deemed off limits will now be allowed but not announced.

Because we all know our government doesn't  always have our best interests at heart.
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Re: A list of Donald Trump's Achievements as President....
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2017, 05:54:15 AM »

I am not a big fan of the media at all, and have criticized the behavior of a few of them for quite some time now........BUT, their freedom is a constitutional right equal to the right to bear arms.

This battle is going to be interesting to watch.
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2017, 09:36:41 AM »

I am not a big fan of the media at all, and have criticized the behavior of a few of them for quite some time now........BUT, their freedom is a constitutional right equal to the right to bear arms.

This battle is going to be interesting to watch.
The decision to select members of the press allowed in the press room is troubling regardless of who is in office.

As far as media blackouts I can understand them when it is part of national security like where troops are positioned and things of that nature, but when it comes to the air we breathe and the water we drink I just don't see the reasoning.
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2017, 11:41:49 AM »

Exactly Tim, irregardless of who is in office media bans are needed, and they are an important tool in controlling wayward employees. Whether or not we look at private business or government agencies "Pot Stirrers" have always been there.

In the sector the problem though often dealt with quickly are considered at-will employers and employees can be discharged for a reason or no reason at all ... the employer can discharge them at-will but in the government sector it gets a little sticky.

"Pot Stirrers"  are difficult employees who are motivated by their own greed and self-ingratiating needs, professionally they are identified as difficult employees who cannot be trusted and are expected to undermining and discrediting thus sabotaging the mission and their boss. They the ones who leak damaging or embarrassing information to press as a means of created havoc and these are not team players.

They could BE motivated by money, politics, personal issues, power and prestige.

When there is a media ban there is a good bet that internal directives have already been posted advising employees against  breaching those directives, the media ban is another layer of the onion that when peeled creates a solid defense for discharge of violators or worse - in my opinion of course.
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2017, 11:51:16 AM »

The first amendment came first for a reason.

If you care to investigate it further, you will see that it's a selective 'blackout' aimed at reducing 'leaks' that undermine the effectiveness of the departments.

Employees cannot be acting on their own and leaking policy or directives for whatever gain.  That violates their employment rules.

Trump emphasized throughout his candidacy that there needs to be less information 'leaked' from governmental agencies and I believe he's advancing on that principle.

Myself, I have no issue with it whatsoever.
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2017, 12:19:13 PM »

There are pot stirrers and there are whistle blowers.
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2017, 12:37:15 PM »

2 different things.  Trump cannot curtail a whistleblower but he can and should curtail any transfer of information pertaining to ongoing policy or mandates between agency employees and social media.  That 'transparency' needs to stop.  It's not only detrimental to the everyday workings of those agencies but can be detrimental to national security in some cases..

Like Obama administration operatives leaking information about pending military actions and putting our troops in danger as well as telling the enemy what we are planning on doing so they can act accordingly.

I'm totally against that.  Some things, actually many things need to be kept from public knowledge.

That is what Trump's agenda on this is about.
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2017, 02:35:04 PM »

Good point. The world is full of similarities with vast differences: There are oranges and mandarins, there humans with blonde hair and black hair, red and brown they're all humans but with vast differences.

The difference between whistle blowing and maliciously leaking information is one is designed to protect against dangerous or immoral acts and the other is leaking information maliciously to cause damage or embarrassment.

The Whistle blower act wasn’t intended to obfuscate an employer’s established rules, policies, regulations or laws unless it presents an imminent danger to public or employees are forced to view pornography for example in my opinion.

Unless the Whistle Blower can prove the employer’s established rules, policies, regulations or laws were dangerous to the public in my opinion and if an employee does attempt, they will find themselves facing the full-weight of the legal U.S. government behind their defense against you with some of the most hardened government lawyers with endless resources in my opinion.

Obviously nobody can reasonably think leaking governmental secrets to the press is somehow protected under the Whistle Blowers act, if they do, they need their head examined, in my opinion.

As a reader, I am familiar with an author or two who had to have their books scrutinized by some government agencies who would redact something they didn't approve of before the books went into publication for public consumption.

I know the Whistle blower act is used in racial or sexual discrimination or harassment cases.
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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2017, 08:43:02 PM »

Trump signed a couple more EO's today.  The wall and one concerning sanctuary cities.

He's staying right on course.  Got to be the first elected politician I can remember that is doing what he promised to do, good or bad.  What a refreshing way to do things.  Say you'll do it and then do it/
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2017, 02:59:12 PM »

I'm liking it and I am as shocked as everyone else Flip, I cannot remember anyone staying the course after an election like this in my lifetime.
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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2017, 03:38:17 PM »

The voter fraud thingy was just a diversionary stunt.
But it needs to be determined where the voter probems are.  Detroit for sure.  And more than likely most of California where 3-5 million illegals have a drivers license and maybe a SS card..
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2017, 03:51:09 PM »

The voter fraud thingy was just a diversionary stunt.
But it needs to be determined where the voter probems are.  Detroit for sure.  And more than likely most of California where 3-5 million illegals have a drivers license and maybe a SS card..

Just read a piece on the net somwehere (cannot recollect what news agency) but it stated that there was actually voter fraud in every state but the worse was Michigan (Detroit), Cook County (Chicago) and Los Angeles, Ca.
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2017, 03:57:28 PM »

Much as I consider voter ID as an affront on a person's right to vote, we do need a system in place (and enforced) concerning voting requirements and elligibility. 

Vote and vote often is bullspittle.

We don't hear much out of Sharpton and company lately.  Sharpton said he was leaving the country if Trump was installed in office...  Wonder if he left yet?  He needs to take Wright, Jackson, Ayers, Emanuel and Holder with his sorry arse.
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