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Re: We're All But Done
« Reply #5925 on: May 19, 2018, 05:45:39 PM »

It's becoming clearer that the CIA and FBI were running a police state and still are to some degree. If it were not for a Trump we'd wouldn't know half of it. And we probably don't know that much yet.
I still say all this is going to stay pretty much quiet because it all leads directly to Obama.   
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« Reply #5926 on: May 19, 2018, 07:13:41 PM »

I disagree. I believe they are both worth a wet fart.

Tim,

You don't post in this topic much lately. Anyway, I want to comment on this post you made for a 2nd time. I take you as left of center, but not nuts. Believe it or not  that is a compliment coming from me. I might go so far as to call you occasionally reasonable. We'll see. Thing is you will generally bash Dems, as in, not worth a wet fart, but you never get specific in your criticism. It's like if I lambast the Pukes for passing this latest omnibus budget abortion you'd agree with me, but wouldn't go after your guys (the Dems) for their complicity. Pukes wanted $ 60 billion more for the military and Dems said OK, if you get your military spending we want more domestic spending, Pukes did them one better, they not only agreed, they got on board with more domestic spending.

NOW I GO ON A RANT

Quick aside. How is it Republicans "get their military spending"? Doesn't the military protect Democrats as well?

So in my example the Pukes do look worse than Dems. But the bottom line is the Dems won on all counts, more government spending.

The Dems may decry military spending, but they can live with it because at least it is the government doing the spending. There's the key, government spending. Government spends the money in a number of ways, but here are a few biggies.  They either provide the services with government employees, purchase products from the private sector or purchase services like private sector health care through Medicare for example.

Bottom line is all these entities now depend on government spending for their sustenance.
Near as far as I can tell the recent Omnibus had about $ 300 billion of really egregious spending. This $ 300 billion will have to be borrowed, adding to the national debt. And next year this years additional $ 300 billion will be part of the base budget. In other words there won't be any discussion regarding whether to continue spending the $ 300 billion again, it's in.

So the government is spending more money, have more control over the economy, and the private sector takes on paying for more government debt. How does that compute? It doesn't. Unless you're a socialist. Let's give a big hug to Venezuela.   

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Re: We're All But Done
« Reply #5927 on: May 19, 2018, 08:16:50 PM »

Baby Hitler can be totally nutz.

He likes Unions.

He doesn't want to represent himself at his company.

That seems nuts to me.
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« Reply #5928 on: May 19, 2018, 09:50:31 PM »

Baby Hitler can be totally nutz.

He likes Unions.

He doesn't want to represent himself at his company.

That seems nuts to me.

Well I'm not as anti-union as I used to be. Private sector unions that is. There should be no such thing as government unions. Period. Private sector unions on the other hand need to justify themselves. I read all over where private sector union pension systems are woefully underfunded. If things continue as they are there could be a huge number of folks expecting $ 40K a year and receiving $ 16K, maybe. So where are the unions looking out for their  members?  They go along with the fictitious numbers by the pension boards. All a scam. These boards (these bastards) claim to have 7 1/2 % returns on the money in the pension fund whereas in reality they "maybe" get 2%. This accounting gimmick means companies can reduce their pension payments. Now don't get me wrong, the companies and the unions are totally in collusion. The unions know the companies can't  afford to cover their pension obligations so they go along with the accounting scam. Unfortunately, math is math. When your monthly pension check is reduced from $ 3300 to $ 1453 will that catch your attention? It's on the way. Don't listen to me, I'm a crank. Been called worse and deserved it. 
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« Reply #5929 on: May 19, 2018, 10:07:30 PM »

Well I'm not as anti-union as I used to be. Private sector unions that is. There should be no such thing as government unions. Period. Private sector unions on the other hand need to justify themselves. I read all over where private sector union pension systems are woefully underfunded. If things continue as they are there could be a huge number of folks expecting $ 40K a year and receiving $ 16K, maybe. So where are the unions looking out for their  members?  They go along with the fictitious numbers by the pension boards. All a scam.
These boards claim to have 7 1/2 % returns on the money in the pension fund whereas in reality they "maybe" get 2%. This accounting gimmick means companies can reduce their pension payments. Now don't get me wrong, the companies and the unions are totally
in collusion. The unions know the companies can't  afford to cover their pension obligations so they go along with the accounting scam. Unfortunately, math is math. When your monthly pension check is reduced from $ 3300 to $ 1453 will that catch your attention? It's on the way. Don't listen to me, I'm a crank. Been called worse and deserved it.

I remember when the fine UAW employees would celebrate anytime the Salaried ranks took a pay hit.

They were too dumb to realize that they were next, and making a Salaried cut was just the start of the negotiations.

Back when I decided to go to college you could make a great case that you would have been better off heading to a car plant, and then bribing your way into Skilled Trades.

No more.  The Union bargained that away, when they screwed over new hires with the two tier wage scale, protecting their older members at the cost of the new hires.  How is that for Solidarity?

Then you have the corruption that exists within the Unions.

The sad thing - for the vast majority of the workers who show up, and put in a hards day work, they don't need them. 

The Union only protects the slackers, the drunks, the drug abusers, and the ones that don't pull their weight.  If you are one of those the Union is your friend.

Public Worker Unions - State, Local, and Federal - yes - I agree they are the worst of the worst - and their bought and paid for Democratic Party members who protect them at the cost of the citizens.

Private Pensions?  A dead thing.  Public?  Alive and well - and grossly underfunded.
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« Reply #5930 on: May 19, 2018, 11:13:35 PM »

I remember when the fine UAW employees would celebrate anytime the Salaried ranks took a pay hit.

They were too dumb to realize that they were next, and making a Salaried cut was just the start of the negotiations.

Back when I decided to go to college you could make a great case that you would have been better off heading to a car plant, and then bribing your way into Skilled Trades.

No more.  The Union bargained that away, when they screwed over new hires with the two tier wage scale, protecting their older members at the cost of the new hires.  How is that for Solidarity?

Then you have the corruption that exists within the Unions.

The sad thing - for the vast majority of the workers who show up, and put in a hards day work, they don't need them. 

The Union only protects the slackers, the drunks, the drug abusers, and the ones that don't pull their weight.  If you are one of those the Union is your friend.

Public Worker Unions - State, Local, and Federal - yes - I agree they are the worst of the worst - and their bought and paid for Democratic Party members who protect them at the cost of the citizens.

Private Pensions?  A dead thing.  Public?  Alive and well - and grossly underfunded.

MN:

Wow, didn't know your had it in you. So what do you really think? That's a joke, don't answer. From what I believe now, I can get behind a lot of what you say. A union that will fight to the extreme to protect the job of a clearly awful employee loses credibility. Do you want to be a hard working union member belonging to a union who thinks it's their job to protect slackers and the chronically absent. You know who they are. So when your union negotiates for you are they negotiating for you the folks that earn their  pay, or a combination of those who earn their pay, like you, and those that scam the system. I'll answer the easy ones. The latter. So here's my advice. Boot the losers in your union and increase your value as a workforce. 

 
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« Reply #5931 on: May 21, 2018, 07:49:58 PM »

Reading an article that suggested that Paul Ryan step down as speaker now to force a vote for a new speaker. That would result in a new Republican speaker since they are the majority but with the added bonus of forcing the Dems to vote for their choice of speaker. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi would win, but by how much. She's 78 years old, not popular, certainly not articulate, is she the one Dems would choose to be speaker?

Well follow me. Some Dem guy recently won special congressional election. He was good  looking and had charisma. The Republican man, to be kind, was not good looking, and zero charisma. On the issues they had a whole lot of agreement. It was Trump-ism. The "low charisma" Republican told voters Dem is lying to you. If he gets elected he'll vote like Nancy Pelosi tells him. Dem candidate spins it some, but essentially denies it. He'll do what's best for the folks. Dem wins.

Will this Dem then vote to make Nancy Pelosi Speaker? Well in the campaign he can double speak, and that's the key. He may demur during the campaign but the rubber hits the road when he's in office and he has to either vote for Nancy or some other Dem brave enough to
oppose Nancy. Then we'll really know.

So getting back to holding a new Speaker vote ASAP. Lot of "incumbent" Dems, running in Nov 2018, would rather not have a vote for Nancy on their resume. You can't wiggle when you just voted for her.

   
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« Reply #5932 on: May 21, 2018, 08:10:44 PM »

That's the difference In Dems and Repubs.
Dems will all do what Nancy and  Schumer tell  them to do.
Repubs are split with no leader.  And at least half of them hate Trump.
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« Reply #5933 on: May 21, 2018, 08:11:00 PM »

Former CIA director John Brennan, and just now, former Attorney General Eric Holder, both decry Trumps attack on the independence of the DOJ (and FBI and CIA). That's rich. Each of these agencies, under their leadership, were politically corrupted by the Obama administration. Independence my foot. These agencies were all weaponized, by them,  to attack anything Trump. Rather what is needed is a major investigation, and real indictments and real convictions that are essential to get the attention of the "deep state" government employees. They need to be disabused of the fact that their job is not to support the Dems, their benefactors, but the people of this country.
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Re: We're All But Done
« Reply #5934 on: May 22, 2018, 09:42:51 PM »

Sadly, in this country, we are on a slippery slope heading toward civil unrest and it's being stoked by the media and sucked up by the sheeple.

If that is what John is referring to as 'all but done', I have to agree, the end is in sight and then end won't be pretty either.
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« Reply #5935 on: May 22, 2018, 09:46:31 PM »

Reading an article that suggested that Paul Ryan step down as speaker now to force a vote for a new speaker. That would result in a new Republican speaker since they are the majority but with the added bonus of forcing the Dems to vote for their choice of speaker. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi would win, but by how much. She's 78 years old, not popular, certainly not articulate, is she the one Dems would choose to be speaker?

Well follow me. Some Dem guy recently won special congressional election. He was good  looking and had charisma. The Republican man, to be kind, was not good looking, and zero charisma. On the issues they had a whole lot of agreement. It was Trump-ism. The "low charisma" Republican told voters Dem is lying to you. If he gets elected he'll vote like Nancy Pelosi tells him. Dem candidate spins it some, but essentially denies it. He'll do what's best for the folks. Dem wins.

Will this Dem then vote to make Nancy Pelosi Speaker? Well in the campaign he can double speak, and that's the key. He may demur during the campaign but the rubber hits the road when he's in office and he has to either vote for Nancy or some other Dem brave enough to
oppose Nancy. Then we'll really know.

So getting back to holding a new Speaker vote ASAP. Lot of "incumbent" Dems, running in Nov 2018, would rather not have a vote for Nancy on their resume. You can't wiggle when you just voted for her.

 

Best case scenario for Pelosi and Max Waters is coronary thrombosis.  At least two face McCain is just about done.  His next date will be a coffin.  Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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« Reply #5936 on: May 25, 2018, 07:39:18 PM »

Glad I'm not a Dem today. The whacky leftists and the coastal elites run their party. 

They regularly call Trump a Nazi, but based on what? One I hear from the Press is he is against freedom of the press. They believe that when he fights back after being slimed by the press that that's against freedom of the press. Therefore he's a Nazi. Well let me tell them something. If he really was a Hitler Nazi these folks would be in jail.

Speaking of Nazi's. When was the last time a right leaning group of protesters shouted down a leftist speaker. On the other hand, the times leftist protesters sought to shut down the speech of a conservative are too many to number. These leftist protesters in many cases are  the "brown shirts" of the left.

Look at our Universities. Vast majority are run by leftists, radical leftists. Check the political affiliation of the professors, and it's like 90+ percent liberal and the rest conservative. Is that the diversity the left talks about? And think about this. Here are many middle class parents shelling out $ 20K plus per year to send their kids to these dens of socialism/social justice.
Let me tell you the make-up of these parents isn't anywhere near 90% radical leftist versus 10% conservative. So why do these parents put up with it? Good question. Well I would submit the primary reason is  they don't really have any alternative. Most all the colleges and universities in this country are run by leftists. This really bugs me. These pukes, with tenure, have jobs that are all but invulnerable, have fat paychecks for very little work, plus top notch  health insurance and taxpayer funded cushy pensions. Worse still their deep state government allies dole out tens of billions in shaky government backed (taxpayer backed)  student loans to finance this frigging morass. And for what? Have most of the classes they graduate taken classes to prepare them to succeed in the real world? Hardly. And worse for these graduates, they are about to discover there ain't no safe spaces in the real world.

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« Reply #5937 on: May 27, 2018, 06:27:59 PM »

Here are excerpts from an article discussing Venezuela as the socialist hell hole it is.

So at this point, with the economy far into collapse, why don't the Venezuelans just elect somebody new?  And it turns out that the main reason is that the Maduro and his government are all too willing to use all the forces of state power to disadvantage the political opposition in elections, and thus to assure their own continuance in power.  As you may know, Venezuela had elections just yesterday, and Maduro declared a great landslide victory.

Could Maduro really have that kind of support among the people even as the economy collapses and millions are starving?  Or is something else going on here?  I'm sure that many factors are in play.  But clearly one of the most important factors, if not the most important, is the game of using the state prosecutorial apparatus to bring trumped-up criminal investigations and charges against the main political rivals to get them out of the way.

If you have any recollection of the last election in Venezuela (2015), you may remember the name of the main opposition leader, Leopoldo Lopez.  What happened to him?  The answer is that he is somewhere in the early stages of serving a prison sentence of some 13 plus years.

End of excerpts. I want you to read those same excerpts again to drum them into your mind because there is some important stuff being said. As I was reading this article I'm thinking about how it applies to us Yankees.

"Maduro and his government are all to willing to use all the forces of state power to disadvantage the political
 opposition in elections and thus to assure their own continuance in power." I'm reading this and I'm going
 whoa! This writer could be writing about the Obama Administration and our Deep State.

Then there's this quote.

" But clearly one of the most important factors, if not the most important, is the game of using the state
  prosecutorial apparatus to bring trumped-up criminal investigations and charges against the main political
  rivals to get them out of the way.

Now Obama didn't nationalize private companies, but he did put the squeeze on them with regulations (54 miles per gallon for auto makers fleets by 2025 for example) and was talking about more regulations to come. If you're a private company under that kind of governance you better cozy up to the administration in self defense if for no other reason. And if Hillary had been elected that governance would have continued. God help us. The private economy would have continued to be shackled with ever more regulations and ever more dependent on staying in the good graces of the central government. They may not literally own you, but they own you.

Then we have the parts about using the power of the state to the disadvantage of the opposition and using the state prosecutorial apparatus to bring trumped-up criminal investigations and charges against the main political rivals to get them out of the way.

Is all this beginning to sound familiar? 



 
 

 

 
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« Reply #5938 on: May 27, 2018, 08:44:06 PM »

One of the Obama pukes was talking about the importance of the FBI being independent of the government. Not so. The FBI's job is to enforce the law, be blindfolded in that pursuit. It
is also overseen by the Congress. Maybe looking for perfection is too much, but the blatant farce of an exoneration of Hillary Clinton and the dogged pursuit of Trump on literally trumped up charges is hard to stomach.     

When will a leftist be held accountable in this country? Fast and Furious was a huge scandal.
It got buried by the Obama Administration, the Obama DOJ, and the Deep state. In lead up to the 2012 presidential election Obama IRS was targeting Obama opponents of the conservative persuasion, not maybe, they were. Lois Lerner even admitted it, and she was the one in charge of running the program. Well the IRS bureaucracy/(a segment of the Deep state if you will) and the Obama IRS commissioner slipped, slid and slithered out from under having to provide documents, evidence if you will. While the IRS stone walled,  the MSM provided cover. It wasn't a matter that the MSM wasn't aware of the malfeasance, they were, the problem was for them to expose it would hurt their allies in the struggle. Lois Lerner's punishment? None. She retired with a pension. Yeah, so let's talk about the rule of law.   

Well I am an American first kind of guy. I don't much care for the Republicans, and they certainly are in need of a major tune up, but we have no choice. The path the Dems  are seeking to lead us on is one of tyranny. Time passes and they persistently act to gradually assume more control over more aspects of our lives.
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« Reply #5939 on: May 27, 2018, 08:53:48 PM »

Sure Dems going to win in big city welfare districts. But with all that’s happening I don’t see them getting control. If they do it’s all rigged.
The biggest problem may be nobody votes because they don’t care anymore
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