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Title: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on June 16, 2010, 02:35:36 PM
Are there any other Buddhists in town? If so, what vehicle do you prefer? What kind of meditation do you practice?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: lml, on June 16, 2010, 05:37:35 PM
Are there any other Buddhists in town? If so, what vehicle do you prefer? What kind of meditation do you practice?

Practicing Zen Buddhist here..,  which is a school of Mahayana Buddhism. 
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on June 16, 2010, 06:13:12 PM
I don't practise it, but if reincarnation is true, I'm on pace to come back as a worm.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Pax on June 16, 2010, 10:19:51 PM
No buddhist here, but is there a fat-man handy whose belly I could rub for good luck?  Lord knows I need all the help I can get these days. . .
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 16, 2010, 11:47:14 PM
No buddhist here, but is there a fat-man handy whose belly I could rub for good luck?  Lord knows I need all the help I can get these days. . .

How about CK? ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 16, 2010, 11:49:13 PM
I don't practise it, but if reincarnation is true, I'm on pace to come back as a worm.

If I could come back, I'd want to be a girl, preferrably a redhead with long legs ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on June 17, 2010, 12:30:44 PM
Practicing Zen Buddhist here..,  which is a school of Mahayana Buddhism.

Me too. I love it.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Baby Hitler on June 18, 2010, 01:51:43 PM
Reincarnation? I've been in this hell hole long enough, don't need to come back.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Collegekid on June 18, 2010, 08:29:03 PM
I kind of look like buddha....
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Fuzz on June 18, 2010, 08:31:22 PM
.....but not near as smart.   ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on June 18, 2010, 09:11:21 PM
No worries, this illusion will soon be over.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on June 24, 2010, 04:36:37 PM
I love the Buddha.  ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on June 24, 2010, 05:31:00 PM
Me too.  :D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on June 24, 2010, 06:26:54 PM
Me too.  :D

I've been through his teachings, parables, and sayings. When people say, "Buddha loves you." I believe it. lol...
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: werewolfetiquette on June 24, 2010, 07:01:46 PM
I am a passenger on the great vehicle.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on June 25, 2010, 12:45:51 PM
I am a passenger on the great vehicle.

awesome.
I've been through his teachings, parables, and sayings. When people say, "Buddha loves you." I believe it. lol...

I love the teachings and parables. I try to look at one every day and reflect how it could apply to my life already and then how I could work on trying to incorporate it into my thinking. I've become a healthier balanced person for it.  I also love Buddhism because it doesn't ask you to believe anything. It's more of a personal experience, psychology, and philosophy.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Fuzz on June 25, 2010, 01:22:52 PM
Does it teach anything about keeping your room cleaned and picked up?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on June 25, 2010, 02:12:28 PM
Does it teach anything about keeping your room cleaned and picked up?

That is such a father thing to post, dirty thread hijacker.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: werewolfetiquette on June 25, 2010, 02:34:18 PM
awesome.
I love the teachings and parables. I try to look at one every day and reflect how it could apply to my life already and then how I could work on trying to incorporate it into my thinking. I've become a healthier balanced person for it.  I also love Buddhism because it doesn't ask you to believe anything. It's more of a personal experience, psychology, and philosophy.

And as the Kundun has said in his many writings, you don’t really have to be a Buddhist to be a Buddhist. The teachings and wisdom are relatively universal and compatible in many ways with other religions and even to those who are not religious at all.
I think the one major thing that classifies Buddhism as a religion and not a philosophy is that it has some kind of explanation for the afterlife (reincarnation and nirvana) but otherwise it more of a way of living and thinking about things.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: choff4 on June 25, 2010, 05:03:04 PM

 I am thinking we should turn Fuzz in to the administration for that comment to you Phoenix. ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on June 29, 2010, 09:22:15 PM
I am thinking we should turn Fuzz in to the administration for that comment to you Phoenix. ;D

I told him that when I read it. He laughed.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 29, 2010, 10:37:18 PM
My dog's name is Buddha. ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on June 30, 2010, 01:53:07 PM
My dog's name is Buddha. ;D

I knew of a cat named Buddha. The owner would rub his belly and say "aww such a big Buddha belly!" It was a fat cat, coincidently.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Fuzz on June 30, 2010, 04:12:21 PM
I used to have a bong that I called Buddah, but I forgot where I hid it.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on June 30, 2010, 09:52:08 PM
I went through the Dhammapada again today. Lots of wisdom there.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on July 02, 2010, 07:45:37 AM
Went through the Dhammapada again today.  ;D


If it wasn't for the idea of Samsara, I'd probably become a Buddhist... I've pretty much lost faith in all religion, but I do believe if we walk in virtue and detach from self it will go well with us, at least in this life.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on July 07, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
Went through the Dhammapada again today.  ;D


If it wasn't for the idea of Samsara, I'd probably become a Buddhist... I've pretty much lost faith in all religion, but I do believe if we walk in virtue and detach from self it will go well with us, at least in this life.

I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on August 22, 2010, 11:30:19 PM
Practicing Zen Buddhist here..,  which is a school of Mahayana Buddhism.


Do you gather with other Zen Buddhists in Monroe?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 23, 2010, 09:29:43 AM
Are there any other Buddhists in town? If so, what vehicle do you prefer? What kind of meditation do you practice?

One in this home.  My coon hound is named Buddha.  She 'meditates' over her dog bowl in the evening and she loves to ride in the back seat of my vehicle. ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on September 01, 2010, 04:09:45 PM

Do you gather with other Zen Buddhists in Monroe?

I know this wasn't for me, but I'd totally be down with that.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Fuzz on September 01, 2010, 04:15:10 PM
I can take you to the meeting provided that there is one of those Buddha bongs there.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 06, 2010, 11:16:47 PM
Fuzz...

Obviously our satirical humor isn't well received by those who dwell in serious matters.......... ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Fuzz on September 07, 2010, 06:21:25 AM
I've noticed, Flip.  Not one person corrected me and told me those were incense burners.  :D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on September 13, 2010, 04:11:11 PM
Fuzz...

Obviously our satirical humor isn't well received by those who dwell in serious matters.......... ;D

It's not that it isn't well received. It's just not necessary to acknowledge.  ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on October 14, 2010, 08:43:05 AM
...Zen Buddhist here...  which is a school of Mahayana Buddhism.

I like this way of life best, although, when it comes to God I like the thoughts found in the Upanishads best. I think Zen Buddhism is a good way of life, and the Upanishadic teachings are interesting, and probably the closest to reality.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Phoenix on October 16, 2010, 01:02:28 PM
Love the new avatar.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: MonroeMonkey on February 11, 2011, 11:03:59 PM
Are there any other Buddhists in town? If so, what vehicle do you prefer? What kind of meditation do you practice?

Practicing Zen Buddhist here, which is a school of Mahayana Buddhism.


Do either of you gather with other Zen Buddhists?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 12, 2012, 04:28:25 PM
Anyone know of any local Buddhist gatherings or Sanghas?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Baggins on November 12, 2012, 08:21:29 PM
Anyone know of any local Buddhist gatherings or Sanghas?

We could set something up in fuzz's back yard...it's real zen...
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Pax on November 12, 2012, 08:41:52 PM
   I'd like to watch a buddhist self-immolation if I might.  Are any of you planning on giving us some fireworks anytime soon?  That'd be COOL!  The more the merrier!!
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 14, 2012, 08:24:14 PM
   I'd like to watch a buddhist self-immolation if I might.  Are any of you planning on giving us some fireworks anytime soon?  That'd be COOL!  The more the merrier!!

The blood self spilled by Christians over the past few thousand years, in self mortification, makes the self spilled blood by Buddhists look like a drop in the bucket.

But that's to be expected, in that the Buddha and his disciples were more skilled in establishing a sound religion than Jesus and his disciples were. And it's possible the good we find in Christianity was borrowed from Buddhism; although, I wouldn't attempt to use the historical method to prove that.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: livewire on November 14, 2012, 10:36:01 PM
Are there any other Buddhists in town? If so, what vehicle do you prefer?

I drive a Ford F-350 4x4.  Does that count?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Baggins on November 15, 2012, 10:46:21 AM
I drive a Ford F-350 4x4.  Does that count?


That made me spit coffee...LMAO!

Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 15, 2012, 03:27:13 PM
I drive a Ford F-350 4x4.  Does that count?

It counts if driving it eases your suffering.  ;D


I lean more Mahayana (Great Vehicle).
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Pax on November 16, 2012, 10:54:10 AM
One more down, not sure how many more to go: 

British Buddhist monk self-immolates at French monastery (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9682645/British-Buddhist-monk-self-immolates-at-French-monastery.html) <- link

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A British monk died in a Tibetan Buddhist monastery in France after he poured petrol over his clothes and set himself alight, police said.
The 38-year-old Briton, who police did not name, had been living at Nalanda monastery near the southwestern village of Labastide-Saint-Georges for the past five years.

He carried out the act on Thursday in the garden of the monastery, which is home to 25 monks and 20 lay people and which on its website describes itself as "a unique monastery for Western monks in the Tibetan Geluk tradition".

Police were seeking to establish whether the victim had been depressive or if he might have committed suicide in an act of solidarity with Tibetans in China.

More than 30 people have set themselves on fire in China's Tibetan-inhabited regions since March 2011 in protest at what they say is religious and cultural repression by the Chinese authorities.


"Victim??"  WTH?!  That's entertainment, baby, not victimhood! 8)
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 16, 2012, 03:17:02 PM
I'll take that as a, "Nope. No Buddhist gatherings around here."

Should I have expected more from Monroe?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Fuzz on November 16, 2012, 05:20:29 PM
I know 3 practicing Buddhists here locally, but I have never heard them talk about gatherings anywhere.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Baggins on November 16, 2012, 06:07:13 PM
I'll take that as a, "Nope. No Buddhist gatherings around here."

Should I have expected more from Monroe?

Well, if it means so much to you smart a**, why don't you start one... 8*
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 16, 2012, 07:32:39 PM
Love is all we need, right, Sammy?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: sammy on November 16, 2012, 07:33:45 PM
No. Instead I'll make a "To Kill List."

1. Baggins
2.
Typical Buddhist response.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 16, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
Typical Buddhist response.

Lmao. Quote mining!?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: sammy on November 16, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
Love is all we need, right, Sammy?
Wow!You Must be a Buddhist. You responded to me before I spoke. AND, you deleted your previous post,only preserved by my response. I'm totally confused.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 16, 2012, 07:41:07 PM
Wow!You Must be a Buddhist. You responded to me before I spoke. AND, you deleted your previous post,only preserved by my response. I'm totally confused.

Clairvoyance obtained by meditation.













Why do you doubt, Sammy?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: sammy on November 16, 2012, 07:43:42 PM
I don't doubt sammy!
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 16, 2012, 07:47:30 PM
I don't doubt sammy!

If I had said what you quoted me saying, you would not have responded in love, as was shown; thus we see the truth of the Buddha's words, which say:

Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the law,
Ancient and inexhaustible.


Dhammapada Chapter 1.

Therefore, extinguish the fires of hate with love!
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: sammy on November 16, 2012, 07:55:10 PM
Where, exactly, did I respond with "love"? I did not "quote" you as saying anything; the server preserved it before you had a chance to delete it.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 16, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
Where, exactly, did I respond with "love"? I did not "quote" you as saying anything; the server preserved it before you had a chance to delete it.

Or was it really posted? Was it a reflection of what you expected and only existed as potentiality, until you brought it into being?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: sammy on November 16, 2012, 08:21:12 PM
Hi, JL! You're in love with yourself, aren't you?
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 16, 2012, 09:24:09 PM
Hi, JL! You're in love with yourself, aren't you?

Somewhat, but I cannot compare with your lust for me.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Forsythia on November 19, 2012, 03:13:30 PM
If you do find one, let me know.  I find this faith much more interesting than the others in the area.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Will Sweat on November 22, 2012, 09:00:06 AM
I'll take that as a, "Nope. No Buddhist gatherings around here."

Should I have expected more from Monroe?


I doubt you will find anything in Monroe.  Still a pretty conservative small town.  I have been to the Temple in Ann Arbor and actually have a really good friend who attends.  He is retired now and does great poetry and art.  You should take the drive to A2 and check it out - nice group of people and beautiful place. 

http://zenbuddhisttemple.org/locations/annarbor/index.html (http://zenbuddhisttemple.org/locations/annarbor/index.html)
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Pax on November 22, 2012, 09:08:44 AM
You should take the drive to A2 and check it out - nice group of people and beautiful place.

Do these "nice people" wear flame-resistant robes??!
Is the place up to code with a fire-suppressing sprinkler system??! 
hehehehehe ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Will Sweat on November 22, 2012, 09:14:46 AM
Pretty sure they have a sprinkler system . . . . I think it is code in A2 . .

Minimal robes by a lot of them and tons of Areopostile / Abercrombie / Chaps gear being worn when I was there so . . . doubtful :-)
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: lilly on November 22, 2012, 10:19:02 PM
Where, exactly, did I respond with "love"? I did not "quote" you as saying anything; the server preserved it before you had a chance to delete it.
Or was it really posted? Was it a reflection of what you expected and only existed as potentiality, until you brought it into being?

I find Sammy to be annoying at times, but haven't known him to be a liar.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 23, 2012, 03:15:00 AM
I find Sammy to be annoying at times, but haven't known him to be a liar.

Was a joke. I was messin with him, just like I was messin with Baggins.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: lilly on November 24, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Was a joke. I was messin with him, just like I was messin with Baggins.

You have a bizarre sense of humor if "messin" with people includes making a "to kill" list with their name on it.

Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on November 25, 2012, 04:40:58 AM
You have a bizarre sense of humor if "messin" with people includes making a "to kill" list with their name on it.


About as bizarre as this guy.

Steve Buscemi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY#ws)
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Pax on January 19, 2013, 01:24:17 PM
   Curiosity is killing me (no pun intended): are these festivities a part of their religious ceremony or just an added bonus for the rest of us?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e0857db56976dbbccad64f85febe347f/tumblr_mfs8n1jPdA1s1ccpqo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: The Fuzz on January 19, 2013, 06:54:59 PM
Perhaps he just had it with his government for out of control spending and decided to torch himself.

I kinda wonder about the authenticity of that photo....I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on January 25, 2013, 12:35:45 PM
Pax,

Given your comments here and in other threads, that you view yourself or your church as occupying any moral high ground is a sick joke. 
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Pax on January 26, 2013, 09:07:21 AM
...you view yourself or your church as occupying any moral high ground is a sick joke.


     Hmm.  Is one to think you and yours believe suicide to be acceptable, or on moral high-ground?  I do not, on that you are correct, but any pacifistic cultists who want to torch themselves in "protest" or drink some magic Kool-aid to hitchhike on a passing comet with five bucks in their pockets for spending money in outer space do get one-way-tickets to the afterlife with no valid stamps of martyrdom on them.  That I find some of their mental defects to be quite humorous might be unconscionable in one respect, but it is also a rather effective way of deterring others from following suit, is it not? 

     On this topic I should think approving, condoning, or in any way justifying such immolations would be more sinful than the reverse. If the thought that they'd be forever a laughinstock rather than a hero prevented even a singular like-minded person from offing themselves my immoderate commentary would be well worth it.

(http://buddhisttrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tibet3.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on January 26, 2013, 09:58:58 AM
Nice try.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on January 26, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
I disagree with self injury to make a point. It seems Pax has no idea why those people do that. These things are done for political reasons, to make a point. It has nothing to do with Buddism, which is the Fourfold Perfect Path, Sunyata, Anatta, Samsara, Maya, Impermanence, Dependent Arising, and Liberation through Enlightenment.

And most Buddhists do not agree with catching yourself on fire to make a point. Just as most Christians don't agree with the gallons and gallons of blood spilled in self-mortification by the Christian Church over the past two thousand years, and that is still being practiced today. Should I post a picture of a Christian with a blood beaten back and say that's the sum of Christianity? Only if I wanted to act fanatical would I do that.

And really, Jesus did what those Buddhists are doing, but for a partly different reason. He says no one could take his life, but he laid it down. Also, Christians believe the worlds were made by him. If I make crocodiles and then step into a river, without moving, knowing they will kill me, that would be a form of suicide, even if meant to make a point. Jesus makes the world, knows he'll be killed by his insane human species, so he enters it and walks into on coming traffic so he can be hit and die, all to make a statement and set an example. Why is it alright for him to do it, but not a Buddhist?

Also, it's interesting that Jesus, like so many other religious people of his day, flipped tables at the Passover, which was the most tense time of the year, sparking the treat of a political revolt against the oppression of Rome.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Pax on January 26, 2013, 09:06:44 PM
It seems Pax has no idea why those people do that. These things are done for political reasons...
And how's that working out for them?  Not very well, I'd hazard, but religious pacifists deserve whatever their tyrannical secular over-seers can dream up. 

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...most Christians don't agree with the gallons and gallons of blood spilled in self-mortification by the Christian Church over the past two thousand years, and that is still being practiced today...
Gallons and gallons?  My goodness, if it were that much blood spilt by loonies for two millenia I'd think that'd be headline news, otherwise it sounds like a presumption to me.  All religions have their "orthodox" and members who make up their own rules for their own purposes: we're talking about Buddhists burning themselves into the fires of hell here.  Or so I thought...

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...Jesus did what those Buddhists are doing...
Are you stating that Jesus committed suicide?  Burned himself up?  I can't imagine what your information source(s) might be for such an allegation.

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If I make crocodiles and then step into a river, without moving, knowing they will kill me, that would be a form of suicide...
Please try to stay on topic, sir, crocodiles aren't it...nor are Buddhist crocodiles, for that matter.

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...Jesus, like so many other religious people of his day, flipped tables at the Passover...
That the old covenant, including Passover, died with the birth of the Messiah should be no question.  WTF flipping tables has to do with any damn thing, however, is highly questionable.
Self-immolating Buddhists are to be prized, to a point, for they've effectively removed their defective genes from the available gene pool, but for no other reason whatsoever.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 26, 2013, 09:12:23 PM
Perhaps he just had it with his government for out of control spending and decided to torch himself.

I kinda wonder about the authenticity of that photo....I could be wrong.

Appears severely photoshopped.  Facial and cranial hair is consumed instantly in fire.  His is untouched.

The second one could be real.  His afrosheen is cooking and he has singed balls..... ;D
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: sammy on January 26, 2013, 09:50:51 PM
Appears severely photoshopped.  Facial and cranial hair is consumed instantly in fire.  His is untouched.

The second one could be real.  His afrosheen is cooking and he has singed balls..... ;D
You are prized for your sensitivity!
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 26, 2013, 10:25:22 PM
Sammy...

At least I'd prefer to be upwind.......... ;D

Bet that sucker stinks....
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Reason on January 26, 2013, 10:31:40 PM
Doesn't really matter who beats or burns themselves up. All religions are man made. If they help you then great. If they make you worse off then sucks for you.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 26, 2013, 11:50:29 PM
Doesn't really matter who beats or burns themselves up. All religions are man made. If they help you then great. If they make you worse off then sucks for you.

That in a nutshell, covers it all.
Title: Re: Any Buddhists?
Post by: Pax on February 13, 2013, 10:53:26 AM
The 100th Tibetan to Set Himself on Fire (http://www.businessinsider.com/tibetan-monks-burning-marks-100th-immolation-in-struggle-with-china-2013-2) <- link

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A Tibetan monk doused himself in petrol in a Kathmandu restaurant on Wednesday and set himself on fire, marking the 100th self-immolation bid in a wave of protests against Chinese rule since 2009.
[snip]
"Because there is no freedom of speech or outlet for any form of protest, unfortunately Tibetans have chosen self-immolations," he said in an interview in Dharamshala.

"To the international community I say 'stand up for Tibetans'. The Chinese government has completely militarised the Tibetan area," he added.


    So the philosophical brethren of US! liberals and neo-cons, who broach no dissent from their orthodoxy by mere mundanes, are cited as the source of "pacifistic" Buddhist immolations.  One supposes that's a reasonable explanation: when one is relegated to subhumanity by a police state the atrocity of self-destruction entices rather than abhors. It's quite shameful that self-loathing liberals everywhere aren't dispatching themselves at a comparable, or greater, velocity...

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/511b8b28ecad047002000003-404-303-400-/tibet-immolation.jpeg)