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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #225 on: October 05, 2012, 09:58:37 PM »

How does a couple of ships sitting off the coast and deploying troops a 1000 km away secure the crime scene?  The embassy was in Benghazi and not Tripoli.  Please allow me to assist you.

http://goo.gl/maps/SuTvA

Reports have coming out for weeks that folks are wandering around the embassy.


Recent story

Sensitive documents left behind at U.S. diplomatic post in Libya
more at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/sensitive-documents-left-behind-at-american-mission-in-libya/2012/10/03/11911498-0d7e-11e2-bd1a-b868e65d57eb_story.html

BENGHAZI, Libya — More than three weeks after attacks in this city killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, sensitive documents remained only loosely secured in the wreckage of the U.S. mission on Wednesday, offering visitors easy access to delicate information about American operations in Libya.

Documents detailing weapons collection efforts, emergency evacuation protocols, the full internal itinerary of Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens’s trip and the personnel records of Libyans who were contracted to secure the mission were among the items scattered across the floors of the looted compound when a Washington Post reporter and an interpreter visited Wednesday.

The discovery further complicates efforts by the Obama administration to respond to what has rapidly become a major foreign-policy issue just weeks before the election. Republicans have accused Obama of having left U.S. diplomatic compounds in Muslim-majority nations insufficiently protected on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and have questioned the security preparations ahead of assaults on embassies in Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia and Sudan. Capitol Hill critics have also pressed for an explanation for the slow pace of the investigation that has followed the attack in Benghazi.

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A few days after the attack.

CNN finds, returns journal belonging to late U.S. ambassador
more at: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/22/world/africa/libya-ambassador-journal/index.html

(CNN) -- Three days after he was killed, CNN found a journal belonging to late U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens. The journal was found on the floor of the largely unsecured consulate compound where he was fatally wounded.

CNN notified Stevens' family about the journal within hours after it was discovered and at the family's request provided it to them via a third party.
Nice...out of all the articles presented, you selected the most poorly written among them (from Fox News) to continue your anti-American campaign. But go ahead and portray the military as a bunch of inept lazy fools. It's guys like you, that never served in the military, that will never understand how traitorous your actions are.
Perhaps you'd enjoy telegraphing detailed plans to the enemy to complete your mission.  8*
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #226 on: October 05, 2012, 10:15:26 PM »

Nice...out of all the articles presented, you selected the most poorly written among them (from Fox News) to continue your anti-American campaign. But go ahead and portray the military as a bunch of inept lazy fools. It's guys like you, that never served in the military, that will never understand how traitorous your actions are.
Perhaps you'd enjoy telegraphing detailed plans to the enemy to complete your mission.  8*


You presented those articles as proof of something, but I am not sure what.   

I am still waiting for your evidence that the US was at the embassy and secured all sensitive documents before this week. 

These documents would not be floating around the embassy three weeks later if our commander-in-chief had taken action: 

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/sensitive-documents-left-with-little-security-at-us-mission-in-benghazi/35/

It makes one wonder what walked away.

Just to clarify, I have the utmost respect for those in service to our country.  What actions of mine do you deem traitorous?
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #227 on: October 05, 2012, 10:26:07 PM »

Nice...out of all the articles presented, you selected the most poorly written among them (from Fox News) to continue your anti-American campaign. But go ahead and portray the military as a bunch of inept lazy fools. It's guys like you, that never served in the military, that will never understand how traitorous your actions are.
Perhaps you'd enjoy telegraphing detailed plans to the enemy to complete your mission.  8*

Why do you continually insist on pointing out that certain people were not in the military?  In the past few days you have done it with me, Professor H, and now Excelsior (maybe more, I don't know). I honor our brave service men and women, in ALL branches.  I saw nothing in Excelsior's post that was traitorous, and nothing that put down our military.  You don't have to have a military background to honor those who serve our country, so STOP degrading those who haven't been in the military!

I already know the answer to this, but did YOU serve?

In the military, I mean... not a prison term.
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #228 on: October 05, 2012, 10:28:06 PM »

You presented those articles as proof of something, but I am not sure what.   

I am still waiting for your evidence that the US was at the embassy and secured all sensitive documents before this week. 

These documents would not be floating around the embassy three weeks later if our commander-in-chief had taken action: 

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/sensitive-documents-left-with-little-security-at-us-mission-in-benghazi/35/

It makes one wonder what walked away.

Just to clarify, I have the utmost respect for those in service to our country.  What actions of mine do you deem traitorous?
Duh...considering you've ignored the facts, even when presented directly to you, and then you've changed the narrative to continue your bash America nonsense....it's apparent you're a lost cause.
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #229 on: October 05, 2012, 10:31:49 PM »

Why do you continually insist on pointing out that certain people were not in the military?  In the past few days you have done it with me, Professor H, and now Excelsior (maybe more, I don't know). I honor our brave service men and women, in ALL branches.  I saw nothing in Excelsior's post that was traitorous, and nothing that put down our military.  You don't have to have a military background to honor those who serve our country, so STOP degrading those who haven't been in the military!

I already know the answer to this, but did YOU serve?

In the military, I mean... not a prison term.
You put on your cheerleading dress anytime your fellow righties need support so your butt-in-ski interjection is something I've come to expect from you.

Why would you ask a question you claim to know the answer to?
« Last Edit: October 05, 2012, 10:45:43 PM by Frenchfry »
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Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

1) I did nothing to warrant the banishment, it's political.

2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

3) The moron stalkers from MT contemplating a visit will be considered a threat and can expect to have a bad day if they act upon those idiotic thoughts.

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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #230 on: October 05, 2012, 10:38:23 PM »

You put on your cheerleading dress anytime your fellow righties need support so I your butt-in-ski interjection is something I've come to expect from you.

Why would you ask a question you claim to know the answer to?

Answered a question with a question.

Typical lefty.

And what the hell does "...need support so I your butt-in-ski interjection..." mean?  8*

Put the bottle down, Frenchie, before you post any more.
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #231 on: October 05, 2012, 10:44:59 PM »

Answered a question with a question.

Typical lefty.

And what the hell does "...need support so I your butt-in-ski interjection..." mean?  8*

Put the bottle down, Frenchie, before you post any more.
Oops...caught me...I made a mistake....guess my club fingers couldn't keep up with my rapid fire keyboard pecking...or a brain fart...either way...so much for my display of brilliance.
Yep...legend in my own mind.  :P
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I guess disabling the report to admin link only on the lib side was indicative of the slanted games they play.

Enjoy your spoon-fed Faux News type right-wing echo-chamber.

Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

1) I did nothing to warrant the banishment, it's political.

2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

3) The moron stalkers from MT contemplating a visit will be considered a threat and can expect to have a bad day if they act upon those idiotic thoughts.

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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #232 on: October 05, 2012, 10:47:41 PM »

Why do you continually insist on pointing out that certain people were not in the military?  In the past few days you have done it with me, Professor H, and now Excelsior (maybe more, I don't know). I honor our brave service men and women, in ALL branches.  I saw nothing in Excelsior's post that was traitorous, and nothing that put down our military.  You don't have to have a military background to honor those who serve our country, so STOP degrading those who haven't been in the military!

I already know the answer to this, but did YOU serve?

In the military, I mean... not a prison term.

Fry has no information regarding my background whatsoever.   I find his claims of knowledge of me amusing as a butt-in-ski.
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« Reply #233 on: October 05, 2012, 10:48:55 PM »

Yep...legend in my own mind.  :P

Dat's a fact, Jack!   ;D
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« Reply #234 on: October 05, 2012, 11:01:20 PM »

Fry has no information regarding my background whatsoever.   I find his claims of knowledge of me amusing as a butt-in-ski.
Oh come on...your type is transparent...never worked a day in your life...wouldn't know a callus if it bit you...a weak girly handshake..but soft hands...maybe a little clammy.... everything handed to you....indoctrinated in right-wing ideology....yeah...that all I've got.

Besides...sometimes it's important to listen to what isn't being said.....such as a denial.

But then truth is difficult to discern from a liar...and that's my assessment of you.

No need to reciprocate....I already know not to expect Xmas cards from you righties.  ;)
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Edited to add:

This is the only way to answer some of the questions posed:

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2) It's the router that's blocked but considering all the nonsense right-wing games being played by those running the site...it's just not worth it to bypass the banishment block.

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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #235 on: October 06, 2012, 12:50:53 AM »

Duh...considering you've ignored the facts, even when presented directly to you, and then you've changed the narrative to continue your bash America nonsense....it's apparent you're a lost cause.

Show me evidence that the US was at the embassy and secured all sensitive documents before this week. 
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« Reply #236 on: October 06, 2012, 10:49:09 AM »

Show me evidence that the US was at the embassy and secured all sensitive documents before this week. 

Is there any evidence that there were sensitive documents that have not been located?  Honestly - I have not been following this end of it.  I am still stuck on the fact that four Americans were killed and we seemed to have been mislead about the level of security at the embassy, why the attacks occurred and if they had been planned and coordinated.  This story, to me, is very striking and our lack of response to it is even more confusing.  (of course, there could be things going on that we are unaware of so I would rather without judgement). 
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« Reply #237 on: October 06, 2012, 01:35:24 PM »

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« Reply #238 on: October 06, 2012, 02:59:19 PM »

Is there any evidence that there were sensitive documents that have not been located?  Honestly - I have not been following this end of it.  I am still stuck on the fact that four Americans were killed and we seemed to have been mislead about the level of security at the embassy, why the attacks occurred and if they had been planned and coordinated.  This story, to me, is very striking and our lack of response to it is even more confusing.  (of course, there could be things going on that we are unaware of so I would rather without judgement).

There are numerous reporters stating that they been able to walk into the embassy and find documents laying on floors for past three weeks.  I agree that our lack of response is confusing.   Why wouldn't they demand that Libya secure the grounds or do it ourselves?
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« Reply #239 on: October 08, 2012, 08:14:11 PM »


Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

more at:  http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/security-team-commander-says-ambassador-stevens-wanted-his-team-to-stay-in-libya-past-august-2/

Wood, a member of the Utah National Guard who ordinarily works in security for the Department of the Interior, is scheduled to testify before the House Oversight Committee hearings on Wednesday.

Asked for comment to the memo and Wood’s comments, a spokesman for the House Oversight Committee told ABC News: “Diplomats working in Libya viewed security provided by highly trained Americans as critical to their safety and mission. The Oversight Committee’s investigation continues to seek answers about why — even as threats against Americans increased — senior State Department officials erroneously decided such security was no longer needed.”
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