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US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya II
« on: October 22, 2012, 06:56:41 PM »

The other thread was locked.   I will start this one to continue the discussion.

Fox’s Peter Doocy said on Friday that one of the supposed ringleaders of the deadly attack on our consulate, and newly-outed CIA facility (thanks to GOP Cong. Chaffetz we now know that there was a CIA station next to our consulate), claims the attack was in fact inspired as a response to the now infamous anti-Muslim hate video:
 

The New York Times caught up with Abu Katala at a luxury hotel in Libya and he says he was just trying to break up a traffic jam near the consulate, and that he was not participating in the raid, but that the attack was tied to that anti-Islamic video.

Witnesses and the authorities have called Ahmed Abu Khattala one of the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 attack on the American diplomatic mission here.
 
Mr. Abu Khattala, 41, wearing a red fez and sandals, added his own spin. Contradicting the accounts of many witnesses and the most recent account of the Obama administration, he contended that the attack had grown out of a peaceful protest against a video made in the United States that mocked the Prophet Muhammad and Islam.

This would seem to contradict Mitt Romney’s claim that we knew the attack Al Qaeda or some other terrorist group, and premeditated, and thus not inspired by the hateful anti-Muslim video.
 
What the Fox report shows is that even one month after the attack, we’er still getting conflicting reports as to exactly what happened, which is the norm.
 
Still unanswered is why it even matters whether the Obama administration was able to conclude who committed the attack, and why, in the first few hours, or even days, after the attack. Does Romney think the President just waves a magic wand and suddenly the CIA will know, for certain, ever, who committed the attack?
 
It doesn’t work that way. And if anything, Romney’s insistence that the Obama administration must have known, from the git-go, who actually committed the attack is less evidence of the Obama administration complicity and more evidence of Mitt Romney’s ignorance.
 
One almost gets the sense that Romney, and the rightwing noise machine, are defending the anti-Muslim hate video. Remember how that was Romney’s initial line of attack, that the administration was “apologizing” for the video. That was before Romney himself apologized for the video
http://americablog.com/2012/10/foxs-peter-doocy-reports-benghazi-attack-might-have-tied-to-the-video.html


Mortar strikes and a hole in a 9 foot security wall are not signs of a peaceful protest.  Here is other evidence that Mr. Abu Khattala may be lying.



Dispute over nature of Libya attack continues; Witness tells CBS there was no protest
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57516569/dispute-over-nature-of-libya-attack-continues-witness-tells-cbs-there-was-no-protest/

State Department: Libya Consulate Attack Not Preceded By Protest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/libya-attack-protest-state-department_n_1953263.html

Video From Benghazi Consulate Shows Organized Attack
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/video-from-benghazi-consulate-shows-organized-attack.html

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A Drone over Benghazi
more at:   http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50476

Over the weekend, another element of Benghazi fiasco was revealed to a public that has been forced to sift through several disparate narratives to get to the truth. The U.S. military had an unmanned Predator drone flying over the Benghazi consulate during the attack that claimed the life of ambassador Christopher Stevens, Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, and agent Sean Smith. That drone, as well as “other reconnaissance aircraft” seemingly observed what is now being characterized as the “final hours of the protracted battle.” How protracted? It has now been revealed that the last two Americans weren’t killed until more than six hours after the attack began.

Yet even as this information has been revealed, the State Department, White House, and Pentagon have refused to say what options might have been available. According to CBS News, a White House official revealed that, when the attack began, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta “looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies.”

That’s a remarkable admission, one that reeks of a bureaucratic mindset in which the execution of four Americans is seemingly mitigated in some fashion by the fact that “established policies” were followed. Retired CIA officer Gary Berntsen wasn’t buying that excuse. “You find a way to make this happen,” Berntsen contended. “There isn’t a plan for every single engagement. Sometimes you have to be able to make adjustments. They made zero adjustments in this. They stood and they watched and our people died.”
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya II
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 07:05:06 PM »


President Obama dropped by the Jon Stewart show and discussed the Benghazi attack on Thursday October 18, 2012.

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 07:21:01 AM »

You do realize that extra security was asked for the capital of Libya not Benghazi, correct?  Those security forces would have been hundreds of miles away and could not have prevented the attack on the consulate.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 10:49:39 AM »

You do realize that extra security was asked for the capital of Libya not Benghazi, correct?  Those security forces would have been hundreds of miles away and could not have prevented the attack on the consulate.

Who said anything about preventing the attack? 

The United States has numerous military bases in Italy. Naval Air Station Sigonella is about 450 miles away. United States Forces from the Sixth Fleet may have been even closer.

The attack lasted for over 6 hours.   Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods survived for over four hours.

The United States military could have been on scene within 2 maybe 3 hours.

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 11:42:23 AM »

Who said anything about preventing the attack? 

The United States has numerous military bases in Italy. Naval Air Station Sigonella is about 450 miles away. United States Forces from the Sixth Fleet may have been even closer.

The attack lasted for over 6 hours.   Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods survived for over four hours.

The United States military could have been on scene within 2 maybe 3 hours.



I haven't heard any hard numbers on that.

That being said, cutting funding for the protection of consulates was something the Republican party championed.

I know this is driving directions, but it's a 13 hour drive from Benghazi to Tripoli.  I figure you can cut that down to about 4, maybe 4.5 hours if you're flying.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=35466521&biw=838&bih=678&wrapid=tlif135100686879010&um=1&ie=UTF-8&gl=us&daddr=tripoli&saddr=benghazi&panel=1&f=d&fb=1&dirflg=d&geocode=KSvunkdVHIMTMeCT0nbO35fk;KdlDHMHEkqgTMYbsXHuU2JmN&sa=X&ei=prqGUKioOqjn0QH_iYCIDw&ved=0CB0Q9w8wAA
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 01:25:27 PM »

I haven't heard any hard numbers on that.

That being said, cutting funding for the protection of consulates was something the Republican party championed.

I know this is driving directions, but it's a 13 hour drive from Benghazi to Tripoli.  I figure you can cut that down to about 4, maybe 4.5 hours if you're flying.




more at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html

Are Budget Cuts to Blame for Benghazi Attack, as Biden Suggested?

In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”


I suggested a military response to an act of war and not flying Delta Airlines.

http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between-sigonella_-italy-and-benghazi_-libya.htm


Let's use 450 miles.

UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter @224 mph = 2 hours
F/A-18 Hornet @1180 mph = 23 minutes
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya II
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 02:18:21 PM »

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/?mobile=nc

Like I said, the Republican Party Championed cutting the budget for security forces.

I didn't realize we had a military base that far south in Italy.  That being said, I would think you would prefer ground support opposed to an air strike since you're trying to protect not level.  Given the fact you'll need ground forces let's split the difference and say 3 hours.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 03:19:17 PM »

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutely-funding-embassy-security/?mobile=nc

Like I said, the Republican Party Championed cutting the budget for security forces.

I didn't realize we had a military base that far south in Italy.  That being said, I would think you would prefer ground support opposed to an air strike since you're trying to protect not level.  Given the fact you'll need ground forces let's split the difference and say 3 hours.


On what grounds do you dismiss the statements of Charlene Lamb?

I disagree that ground forces were needed to save these lives.  These Americans were holed up in the annex.  Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods died from a mortar strike on the annex.  Air cover could have suppressed these multiple rounds of mortar fire on the building.

There are reports of a US drone watching the attack.  These drones are usually armed with hellfire missiles... more questions...
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2012, 03:27:08 PM »


On what grounds do you dismiss the statements of Charlene Lamb?

I disagree that ground forces were needed to save these lives.  These Americans were holed up in the annex.  Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods died from a mortar strike on the annex.  Air cover could have suppressed these multiple rounds of mortar fire on the building.

There are reports of a US drone watching the attack.  These drones are usually armed with hellfire missiles... more questions...


And who are you to argue Rep. Chaffetz (R-Utah)?

I don't believe that the individuals who died could have been saved by air strikes alone.  At the very best all air strikes could do was delay the attackers.  Maybe it would have been enough time, maybe it wouldn't.  That's something we will never know.  What needs to stop is the politicizing of a tragedy.
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya II
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2012, 05:00:03 PM »

And who are you to argue Rep. Chaffetz (R-Utah)?

I don't believe that the individuals who died could have been saved by air strikes alone.  At the very best all air strikes could do was delay the attackers.  Maybe it would have been enough time, maybe it wouldn't.  That's something we will never know.  What needs to stop is the politicizing of a tragedy.


Where I did argue against Rep. Chaffetz's statements? 

Rep. Chaffetz said that he voted to cut funds and Charlene Lamb stated that funding was not the root cause of this issue.   

You should do some more reading on this subject.  The annex was never breached during the attack.   It was mortar fire from a distance killed Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.   

Asking why we did not deploy the military during the six hour attack is not an unreasonable question or "politicizing of a tragedy" as you suggest.  We have a military base only a hour flight away.  The question seems reasonable. 

 I am not the only one seeking answers.


Could U.S. military have helped during Libya attack?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57536611/could-u.s-military-have-helped-during-libya-attack/

Retired CIA officer Gary Berntsen believes help could have come much sooner. He commanded CIA counter-terrorism missions targeting Osama bin Laden and led the team that responded after bombings of the U.S. Embassy in East Africa.

"You find a way to make this happen," Berntsen says. "There isn't a plan for every single engagement. Sometimes you have to be able to make adjustments. They made zero adjustments in this. They stood and they watched and our people died."

The Pentagon says it did move a team of special operators from central Europe to the large Naval Air Station in Sigonella, Italy, but gave no other details. Sigonella is just an hour's flight from Libya. Other nearby bases include Aviano and Souda Bay. Military sources tell CBS News that resources at the three bases include fighter jets and Specter AC-130 gunships, which the sources say can be extremely effective in flying in and buzzing a crowd to disperse it.

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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya II
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2012, 05:52:11 PM »

I agree.  I have read there was a drone overhead that got the whole incident.

Why didn't we scramble some assets to the area to protect out personnel? 

From what I read it would have taken ~ 1 hour from the closest base - and who knows - it may have been even faster from a naval vessel that I assume must be in the neighborhood..

The fact that a drone was overhead monitoring the situation tells me that someone must have thought something could happen that warranted the surveillance. 

I know that there are contingency plans and teams available to move on a moments notice for most scenarios.

In this case why didn't some assets move to extract our personnel or secure our facility?

My assumption is someone did not authorize the action - so we sat back and watched it on TV.

If that is proven it is something I can't agree with.  We shouldn't send Americans into harms way without being willing to send the Calvary in to rescue them.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012, 10:02:06 PM »

more at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html

Are Budget Cuts to Blame for Benghazi Attack, as Biden Suggested?

In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”


I suggested a military response to an act of war and not flying Delta Airlines.

http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between-sigonella_-italy-and-benghazi_-libya.htm


Let's use 450 miles.

UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter @224 mph = 2 hours
F/A-18 Hornet @1180 mph = 23 minutes

Your link states 468.576 miles as the crow flies and 1430.373 by land transport.

Another thing, how many troops can that Hornet carry?
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2012, 10:14:11 PM »

Your link states 468.576 miles as the crow flies and 1430.373 by land transport.

Another thing, how many troops can that Hornet carry?


The America forces retreated to the annex and defended it for hours until the attackers deployed mortar fire.  Ground forces only required air support to remove the mortar threat.

Here is the US Consulate in Benghazi.






Here is the AC-130 gunship that was deployed to this region.  Perhaps one mortar round would have been fired, but firing six rounds would have been impossible.



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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 10:21:14 PM »

The America forces retreated to the annex and defended it for hours until the attackers deployed mortar fire.  Ground forces only required air support to remove the mortar threat.

Here is the US Consulate in Benghazi.



Here is the AC-130 gunship that was deployed to this region.  Perhaps one mortar round would have been fired, but firing six rounds would have been impossible.
So you must've realized your speedy Hornet scenario lacked merit.

I wonder if your details somehow jeopardizes American interests.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2012, 10:35:47 PM »

October 20, 2012 3:40 PM

Could U.S. military have helped during Libya attack?


(CBS News) The closer we get to the election, the harder Republicans in Congress are pushing for answers to a big question: What really happened in the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya last month that killed the U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans?

Some lawmakers are asking why U.S. military help from outside Libya didn't arrive as terrorists battered more than 30 Americans over the course of more than seven hours. The assault was launched by an armed mob of dozens that torched buildings and used rocket propelled grenades, mortars and AK-47 rifles.

CBS News has been told that, hours after the attack began, an unmanned Predator drone was sent over the U.S. mission in Benghazi, and that the drone and other reconnaissance aircraft apparently observed the final hours of the protracted battle.

The State Department, White House and Pentagon declined to say what military options were available. A White House official told CBS News that, at the start of the attack, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta "looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies."

But it was too late to help the Americans in Benghazi. The ambassador and three others were dead.


A White House official told CBS News that a "small group of reinforcements" was sent from Tripoli to Benghazi, but declined to say how many or what time they arrived.

Retired CIA officer Gary Berntsen believes help could have come much sooner. He commanded CIA counter-terrorism missions targeting Osama bin Laden and led the team that responded after bombings of the U.S. Embassy in East Africa.

"You find a way to make this happen," Berntsen says. "There isn't a plan for every single engagement. Sometimes you have to be able to make adjustments. They made zero adjustments in this. They stood and they watched and our people died."

The Pentagon says it did move a team of special operators from central Europe to the large Naval Air Station in Sigonella, Italy, but gave no other details. Sigonella is just an hour's flight from Libya. Other nearby bases include Aviano and Souda Bay. Military sources tell CBS News that resources at the three bases include fighter jets and Specter AC-130 gunships, which the sources say can be extremely effective in flying in and buzzing a crowd to disperse it.

Rick Nelson, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and a former Navy pilot who worked in counter-terrorism, says such missions can be very risky. "A lot can go well, right, as we saw with the bin Laden raid. It was a very successful event," he says. "But also, when there are high risk activities like this. a lot can go wrong, as we saw with the Iranian hostage rescue decades ago."

Add to the controversy the fact that the last two Americans didn't die until more than six hours into the attack, and the question of U.S. military help becomes very important.

Sending the military into another country can be a sensitive and delicate decision. CBS News has been told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did seek clearances from Libya to fly in their airspace, but the administration won't say anything further about what was said or decided on that front.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57536611/could-u.s-military-have-helped-during-libya-attack/
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