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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2017, 12:40:23 PM »

I told people when the videos first started surfacing that it wasn't an automatic weapon - and they told me I didn't know what I was talking about - it was clearly a machine gun.

When I can count the shots - that isn't an automatic weapon.  That is a semi-automatic with some kind of I don't care what I hit - but I want to put out a bunch of bullets - mostly legal POS device on it.

If they ban the sale of those - I have absolutely no issue with it.

While that can be construed by pro firearm advocates as infringement and it is a slippery slope and the NRA will adamantly oppose it, my personal opinion is. no one needs to possess a slide fire butt stock but lets go farther shall we..

Being a life member in the NRA I get every month, my choice of NRA periodicals, this year I'm getting American Rifleman.  American Rifleman is supposed to be about sporting firearms and hunting but over the last year or so, about every page is filled with AR platforms.  AR this and AR that.  What I cannot comprehend is American's fascination with that platform.  Is it a macho thing?  Do people want to emulate the military?  Do people want to emulate LE?  I don't get it.  I find AR's to be ugly firearms that serve no useful purpose in a civilian setting.

It's a military firearm, not a sporting firearm.

I'm also a member of Hunt'in Fool (Cedar City, Utah) and receive their monthly magazine, devoted entirely to out west (and eastern big game hunting) and I've never seen one advertisement or article in it concerning an AR platform.  Ethical hunters don't use AR's.  They might own one or more, but they certainly don't hunt with them and I've never seen any hunters here in Michigan hunting with one either, at least upstanding hunters.  I'm sure there are 'slob' hunters out there that use them, but I've never come across any.

The pictures being released of Paddock's room show it littered with AR platform rifles, some with sliding butt stocks (which I recognized right away because I'm familiar with them.

What will transpire now will be a concerted effort by the anti-firearm faction to ban black guns with a counter push by the NRA to keep them.

My opinion is, they serve no useful purpose (just like slid fire butt stocks) and should be removed from public ownership.  I realize that is a slippery slope but to do it now will save a lot of grief later.
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2017, 02:26:47 PM »

Here we go...   how to spot a future madman!!!

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More details are emerging, investigators say, that suggest Paddock’s mental state was deteriorating before the shooting — significant weight loss, an increasingly slovenly physical appearance and an obsession with his girlfriend’s ex-husband.


This seems to describe about half the men I know :-\ :-\ :-\

I do think I'll go shave though...  just in case!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/portrait-emerging-las-vegas-shooter-man-descending-madness/story?id=50275427
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2017, 07:18:49 PM »


Being a life member in the NRA I get every month, my choice of NRA periodicals, this year I'm getting American Rifleman.  American Rifleman is supposed to be about sporting firearms and hunting but over the last year or so, about every page is filled with AR platforms.  AR this and AR that.  What I cannot comprehend is American's fascination with that platform.  Is it a macho thing?  Do people want to emulate the military?  Do people want to emulate LE?  I don't get it.  I find AR's to be ugly firearms that serve no useful purpose in a civilian setting.

It's a military firearm, not a sporting firearm.


The modularity of the AR platform is a big reason why it is so popular.    You can get conversion kits from the 22 LR to the .458 SOCOM.

Is there better firearm to express yourself ?   Apply some cerakote and you will have Colin taking a knee and putting on his police pig socks out of respect.





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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2017, 08:02:01 PM »

What will transpire now will be a concerted effort by the anti-firearm faction to ban black guns with a counter push by the NRA to keep them.

My opinion is, they serve no useful purpose (just like slid fire butt stocks) and should be removed from public ownership.  I realize that is a slippery slope but to do it now will save a lot of grief later.

Nope.

It's a slippery slope.

Defend every stinking inch of ground.

However - even the Military has figured out the AR platform is better when used in semi automatic.

Of course - they usually don't engage crowds of 20,000 plus......

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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2017, 08:25:55 PM »

Im still happy I bought my AR15 a couple of years ago when Obama was a big promoter...it works just fine as a semi automatic.  I can't envision any reason that I need to modify it to an automatic..
If it comes to point that a car load of gangbangers wants to disrupt my neighborhood I think I'll be ok..
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2017, 08:32:06 PM »

Every Afghanistan and Iraq vet I've talked to said they NEVER use automatic.

They aim, fire, take a shot.  Repeat. 

That is what they are taught.

Having good optics I am sure helps.

Automatic is movie stuff, and spray and pray - unless you are on a saw or something like that - and even then you are taught short bursts with aiming.
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2017, 09:08:30 PM »

Just hearing on Hannity so it must be true..The killer bought 33 of  his rifles in the last year.
It's legal but have to wonder how many people do that..
Should it arouse any suspicion.
Where do you draw the line 1-10-20 ??
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2017, 10:16:36 AM »

I read a couple of articles on my phone during the night (didn't sleep good  :( )  The sheriff is speculating that the shooter was planning on making an escape attempt at some point but in his opinion the unarmed hotel security guard fouled his plans when the guard found his room so soon into the shooting.  The guard was actually wounded in the leg by gunfire through the room door but still managed to help LE evacuate guests on the 32nd floor prior to LE making their 'explosive' entrance.

Not sure what they use now but in the Army we used a glob (non technical term) of C-4 plastic explosive.  Kind of felt like kid's play clay but had a stronger odor!!!
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2017, 10:19:00 AM »

I had started reading another article when my eyes finally closed and my phone hit me on the nose!  I tried to read some more but after I hit my nose the 2nd time I called it a night.  The story was an interview from the man that was in the room adjacent to the shooter.  Hopefully I'll run across it today so I can finish it!
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2017, 02:45:25 PM »

I'm thinking there will be plenty of similar searches across the nation by potential 'copy cat' (seems there is always at least one) shooters! 

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/news/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-researched-hotels-near-fenway-park-lollapalooza-chicago-boston-red-sox/2odiv45189601ort6e9tr0zdv

How many potential victims might be 'in range' at Tiger Stadium from atop Ford Field or at the "Big House" from atop Crisler Arena" ??? ??? ???




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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2017, 03:12:13 PM »

Just saw another article that he had scouted hotels in Chicago too.  Interesting what they can find on a computer or a phone or tablet even long after the fact of 'the search'!

Here's the article on the hotel security guard:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/05/just-job-las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-hailed-braving/
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2017, 03:14:54 PM »

Question for Excelsior (or anyone really...  he just seems to have fresh news on the topic):  do we know what the note in the hotel room said?  I've read repeatedly that it was not a suicide note but now what it was!
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2017, 03:46:53 PM »

A few years ago after a shooting I could spot guys on top of the suites at Mich stadium
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Re: Was there a 2nd shooter in Las Vegas?
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2017, 06:15:58 PM »

A few years ago after a shooting I could spot guys on top of the suites at Mich stadium

They are still there.

2 on each end of the suites, 8 total.

It isn't hard to figure out what they are for.
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