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Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« on: February 17, 2016, 01:13:33 PM »

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Apple Inc. CEO Tim Cook says his company will fight a federal magistrate's order to hack its users in connection with the investigation of the San Bernardino, California shootings, asserting that would undermine encryption by creating a backdoor that could potentially be used on other future devices.


It's going to be interesting to see where this ultimately ends up...

I can certainly see both sides of the argument...

which one is more important to the most people and what about the long lasting effects no matter which way it goes!

http://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/apple-resisting-magistrate-order-to-share-iphone-information-02-17-2016
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 11:15:32 PM »

I can see terrorist flocking to buy IPhones if he wins... 
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 08:19:59 AM »

I can see terrorist flocking to buy IPhones if he wins...

Hell of a marketing scheme :o :o
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 10:19:11 AM »

You give the government the ability to do something and they don't know where to stop.
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 10:37:04 AM »

You give the government the ability to do something and they don't know where to stop.

That's why it's important what judges are selected to key positions. 
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 12:24:14 PM »



I wonder why the Feds do not give the iPhone in question to Apple and ask them to recover the data and give to them.   Problem solved, right?




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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 12:37:58 PM »

I betting the Feds know who to get the info but won't admit it
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2016, 02:18:23 PM »


I wonder why the Feds do not give the iPhone in question to Apple and ask them to recover the data and give to them.   Problem solved, right?

I think that is exactly what they did and Apple turned them down so then they went to court and Apple is still refusing.

My guess is Apple will ultimately lose this case but then will more than likely eventually be able to tell the Feds "We told you so"!!!!

Many times over.
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2016, 02:47:27 PM »

I think that is exactly what they did and Apple turned them down so then they went to court and Apple is still refusing.

My guess is Apple will ultimately lose this case but then will more than likely eventually be able to tell the Feds "We told you so"!!!!

Many times over.

The articles that I read indicate that the Feds want the encryption key so they can open any iPhone.   Apple is fighting it because this open backdoor for the government will make their products less secure.
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2016, 02:57:28 PM »

The articles that I read indicate that the Feds want the encryption key so they can open any iPhone.   Apple is fighting it because this open backdoor for the government will make their products less secure.

I am against that completely...

give them the keys and they'll be opening every phone they can get their hands on...

Michigan State Police can already get a ton of info off phones here in Michigan >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2016, 03:23:52 PM »

I might be in favor of the process where the Feds have to get court approval in each instance.  Sort or like a search warrant but not even that simple..
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2016, 06:26:54 PM »

Interesting topic on many levels, it's like peeling an onion.  ;)
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2016, 08:10:39 PM »

I guess if the encryption is that good - maybe the government should start using Apple's   
And Hillary is wishing she's used an Iphone instead of a Blackberry about now.
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2016, 02:49:19 AM »

Interesting topic on many levels, it's like peeling an onion.  ;)


Here are a few more levels to consider!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/a-yearlong-road-to-a-standoff-with-the-fbi.html?_r=0

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WASHINGTON — Time and again after the introduction of the iPhone nearly a decade ago, the Justice Department asked Apple for help opening a locked phone. And nearly without fail, the company agreed.

Then last fall, the company changed its mind. In a routine drug case in a Brooklyn federal court, prosecutors sought a court order demanding that Apple unlock a methamphetamine dealer’s iPhone 5S running old, easy-to-unlock software. The company acknowledged that it could open the phone, as it had before. But this time, it pushed back.

“We’re being forced to become an agent of law enforcement,” the company’s lawyer, Marc Zwillinger, protested in court.
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Re: Apple resisting magistrate order to share iPhone information
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2016, 02:55:26 AM »

wink   ;)
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