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I'm thinking I may look for a Model T next time I go car shopping!!!

This report only addressed the Big 3 but I would assume most of the other manufacturers have something similar!

http://www.wxyz.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/connected-cars-what-information-about-your-driving-is-being-collected-and-tracked
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2016, 01:39:26 PM »

Hope you know your Ford (and every other late model car and truck on the road, has a data recorder built into the ECM that records everything in real time for a pre-determined segment of time.

I don't have an issue with Ford and Sync downloading - sending data.  It's the world we live in, like it or not.
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2016, 03:32:12 PM »

It won't be long your car will ever sending data to police telling them you are speeding
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2016, 05:34:21 PM »

On-Star is close.  If you car gets stolen they can track it and disable the ignition.  Sort of a high tech Lo-Jack.

Don't Geico offer a module that you plug into your diagnostic port (under the dash) that real time records all your start and stop G'forces and speed...  Under the guise of a 'Safe Driver rate reduction?

My Focus has some nice touches like an upshift light and economy mode that I drive in all the time.  It's getting 41mpg mostly city driving.  I bet I can get 43+ highway and thats with the AC on all the time too.

Fords claims 35 city, 38 highway,  for the autoshift and 35-37 for the standard trans.  I'm way past that with the standard transmission. 

I never owned a car that got 40 mpg.  heck my motorcycle don't get 40.
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2016, 05:38:36 PM »

Bought the daughter a 'new 90 Ford Escort 4 banger 4 on floor. Great mileage. I got 40 driving to Indy once..
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2016, 06:11:15 PM »

Bought the daughter a 'new 90 Ford Escort 4 banger 4 on floor. Great mileage. I got 40 driving to Indy once..

I was cautioned by my BIL who is a powertrain design engineer at Fords not to get the Autoshift or even consider one.  I guess the 6 speed Autoshift is two 3 speed manual boxes married together with a servo actuated dry clutch, controlled by the ECM.  He told me they were troublesome, that they shuddered on takeoff and there was no cure.  he told me to get a manual 5 speed (SE) or a 6 speed manual (ST) but the ST is stupid expensive to insure in Michigan (has a 2.0 with a turbo and makes over 300 ponies)...  way too much for a roller skate car anyway.

My natural aspirated one has 160 horses (with a 5 speed), thats more than enough oooomph for me.

What amazes me is the comfort and ride quality.  It's a very comfortable car and drives very nice and rides like a Caddy.  I know how a Caddy rides, I owned one.  Overall, a very nice car and I got it cheap.  Off lease (2 year) with 26K on the clock, dealer maintained and a female owner, I paid less than half of what it stickered for and I got the Ford Corporate extended warranty too.  I'm good for an additional 6 years and an additional 60K miles over and above the 3-36.  No deductible either, just consumables.
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2016, 06:41:11 PM »

Too bad the Focus won't be assembled here in Michigan anymore (Wayne Assembly).  It's going to become a 'Hencho Mexico' car along with the C-max and a couple others, another reason to vote for Trump and his proposed tarriff on products that were built here that went to Mexico for lower labor cost (but no reduction in sticker price....

My BIL also told me the Hencho Mexico cars quality wise aren't nearly as good as the American counterparts.  You cannot get quality paying 10 bucks a day anyway.
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2016, 09:01:13 AM »

Hope you know your Ford (and every other late model car and truck on the road, has a data recorder built into the ECM that records everything in real time for a pre-determined segment of time.

I don't have an issue with Ford and Sync downloading - sending data.  It's the world we live in, like it or not.

I knew there is a built in 'feature' that records certain data that LE can retrieve if your vehicle is involved in a serious crash.  It originally was a stand alone device (under the driver's seat) that could be disabled with one snip of the side cutters :o :o :o

And I knew it was now built into either the ECM or the CCM and probably no way for most people to disable! 

It's like so many situations today...   

the good can get turned around and used for bad purposes...

Someday I'm going to get one of the software and cable packages so I can 'tune' by vehicles with my laptop and when I do that I'll learn a lot more about how it all works...

until then I'll just drive 'em!!!
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2016, 10:38:50 AM »

Here's a blog from a couple of years ago (plenty could have changed since then) that addresses some of the legal considerations with data recorders!

http://blogs.findlaw.com/injured/2014/04/can-a-cars-black-box-data-be-used-in-court.html
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2016, 11:10:21 AM »

It's more for insurance companies and liability (at fault) scenario's.  Much better than the 'he said-she said' eyewitness accounts.

In our business, that is the first thing an insurance adjuster / investigator wants. the Data recorder.  Big trucks record way more data and for long periods as well.  Things like low oil levels, extensive idling, overspeeding the engine, heavy brake application and lateral G forces and I can pull up quite a bit of the data right here on my laptop by choosing a unit number and accessing the program, plus all of our company units are GPS enabled in real time.  I can pinpoint any unit within 15 feet, jump to Goggle Earth and do a snapshot of it.

Pretty interesting for a while and then it gets boring.  I very seldom look at it.

With non company units, you plug in and download the data via a bus.  The shop uses that to determine if a repair is warranty or not.  No warranty covers intentional abuse or neglect.
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Your smartphone knows if you're a good driver
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2016, 11:15:40 AM »

I guess this is related...

smart phones and cars and what they can share about your driving!!!

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/17/technology/smartphone-driver-safety/index.html
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Re: How much does your car know about you and what does it share?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 11:14:00 PM »

I just found out (scrolling through the on board programs on the Focus computer) that it has an interactive economy mode based on shift RPM and accelerator position as well as acceleration G forces.  I'll have to play with it but I must be doing good, my combined average fuel mileage is 40.6 and that is with the AC running all the time (I leave it on climate control constantly).  I'd like to see 45 but thats Prius  Hybrid country.
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