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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #195 on: April 30, 2018, 04:20:18 PM »

The cables are capped and waiting for them to figure out a plan to remove them (and I assume install new ones which they will hopefully bury).

They did recover another 625 gallons of the coolant.  I haven't seen yet how many gallons total were lost into the straits >:( >:( >:(

http://upnorthlive.com/news/local/all-severed-utility-cables-capped-in-straits-of-mackinac
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #197 on: May 02, 2018, 08:48:06 PM »

Read somewhere that to remove the DTE cables will take 15 years....  Guess they figure Line 5 will bust first.
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #198 on: May 03, 2018, 09:16:22 AM »

Read somewhere that to remove the DTE cables will take 15 years....  Guess they figure Line 5 will bust first.

I think you mean Consumer's Energy but that's only a minor detail at this point. 

It will probably take two days for the contractor to pull them out...

the 15 years may be for them to get the necessary permits!

They haven't been used for 25 years and are never going to be used again.  They took some samples of the material in them last week and are having it analyzed. 

Anytime something is installed on public property there should be a plan to remove it when the intended use is complete and the property should be re-mediated.  These companies should all have to put the money in a trust fund to do all of that too.  Under those terms maybe Enbridge could find a better route and keep the line in Canada (where the profits flow to anyway). 

Follow the money!!!
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #199 on: May 03, 2018, 04:47:45 PM »

Sorry, I stand corrected on that.  Now if they all had to post a bond equal to or more than the estimated cost of clean up or remediation.  That would put a damper on any and all 'projects'....

Of course Enbridge could not afford to do that....
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #200 on: May 03, 2018, 04:49:59 PM »

The cables are capped and waiting for them to figure out a plan to remove them (and I assume install new ones which they will hopefully bury).

They did recover another 625 gallons of the coolant.  I haven't seen yet how many gallons total were lost into the straits >:( >:( >:(

http://upnorthlive.com/news/local/all-severed-utility-cables-capped-in-straits-of-mackinac


625 gallons is a drop in the bucket, literally, compared to a Line 5 blowout.
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #201 on: May 10, 2018, 09:07:54 AM »

Sounds like the Coast Guard has finished with any active involvement.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2018/05/coast_guard_closes_out_spill_r.html
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« Reply #202 on: May 10, 2018, 09:23:38 AM »

I read that as well.  Wonder if that also means they won't prosecute the tugboat company for the anchor drag?
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #203 on: May 10, 2018, 09:40:23 AM »

I read that as well.  Wonder if that also means they won't prosecute the tugboat company for the anchor drag?

For some reason we just haven't heard anything on the tugboat part of it. 
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« Reply #204 on: May 14, 2018, 08:28:35 PM »

I read that as well.  Wonder if that also means they won't prosecute the tugboat company for the anchor drag?


Sounds like there never has been a prohibition against anchoring in the straits...

only an advisory!

Also a basic description of the band aid Enbridge wants to put on the damaged pipes.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2018/05/enbridge_likely_to_wrap_protec.html
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #205 on: May 14, 2018, 10:04:47 PM »

Sounds like just more postulation leading to an eminent rupture....
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #206 on: May 15, 2018, 07:32:06 AM »

Sounds like just more postulation leading to an eminent rupture....

Here's one prediction of what all that postulation could end up costing us!

https://www.greatlakesnow.org/2018/05/new-study-says-line-5-oil-spill-could-cost-michigan-6-billion-dollars/
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #207 on: May 15, 2018, 10:26:59 AM »

Here's one prediction of what all that postulation could end up costing us!

https://www.greatlakesnow.org/2018/05/new-study-says-line-5-oil-spill-could-cost-michigan-6-billion-dollars/

Of course Enbridge always says any study is flawed when the study addresses the what if scenario.  Not in the best interests of Enbridge to do anything other than what it's doing, making money that Michigan gets NONE OF.

I think 6 billion in today's dollars is very conservative.  I also feel that Enbridge should be required to post at least a 6 Billion Dollar guranteed cash surety bond to cover at least the major portion of the clean up (that will happen at some point in the future, you can bank on that, instead of the taxpayers (us), footing the bill.

Our political leaders are going to postulate until the cows come home, but when they do (when Line 5 breaks). all those politicians wll get amneshia.
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Re: Why Michigan won't shut down the Mackinac straits oil pipeline
« Reply #208 on: May 16, 2018, 09:57:48 AM »

Short of just keeping Line 5 in Canada this looks like the best (both safest and by far the most expen$ive) option for the straits crossing.

I'm sure Enbridge won't want to fund the cost though!

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2018/05/line_5_tunnel_construction_und.html
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« Reply #209 on: May 16, 2018, 06:07:11 PM »

Now that the anchor excitement is dropping off we can get back to the anchors.

I wonder if the anchors held the pipe in place when the anchor was dragged over the pipe?

http://upnorthlive.com/news/local/group-wants-public-hearing-for-line-5-anchors
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