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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2011, 12:03:17 AM »

But, hey, telling the govt to pay attention to the working class people for a change instead of where the tea radicals point - the rich... I can easily support them. 

Be prepared to tilt at windmills. Working class folks don't have any money. Ergo, government ignores them. Oh well! Your CEO probably deserved that thirty-seventh yacht, anyway.
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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2011, 01:51:31 PM »

What is “Occupy Wall Street”?

Some say it is just a bunch of socialist kids wanting free handouts, money for no work and BS like that.  If you take the time, you will see as many reasons as there are people protesting. 

Unlike the teas that were born in the head of Grover Norquist and other high level Republican leaders then pushed to creation, the OWS movement is really organic.  It grew from just a few people to hundred and then thousands and now to more and more cities.  Most of you probably think it started only a few days ago.  It actually was more than two weeks ago and even when protests were in the thousands the media not only ignored them but also went out of the way to not cover it.

Now, the police seem to have the idea that it needs stopped and are being stupid.  Gathering up four skinny little women into a fence and spraying them with mace was the stupidest thing that they could have done.  Te videos are clear that the women were not rowdy; didn’t have weapns, were not hitting or any violent actions. They were standing talking and were sprayed in the face.  The media could not suppress that.

And then there is this:
MONDAY, OCTOBER 3, 2011

Corporate social-media engines track Occupy activists

Corporations who grab marketing data from Twitter, Facebook and other social media posts are curious about who's behind the Occupy Wall Street protests and the mobilizers of spin-off demonstrations in Boston, San Francisco, and (maybe) Philadelphia.
Here's how it looks to one veteran data miner: "We've been watching it for three weeks. Over the weekend, with the arrests in New York, it's really taking off," he told me. "The volumes have increased 20X, 30X. There are millions of communications."

What's the message? "Politics this year, it's going to be the workers against the rich."

Who's behind it? Legacy socialists? College-town anarchists? Professors? The Democrats? "I don't know if the Democrats are involved. I have no evidence of that. It really looks like labor," he told me. "We're picking up that there's staff guys from the Transport Workers' Union in New York, and people close to (Rich) Trumka," the United Mine Workers president who heads the Change to Win union federation.

Does that mean unions are behind the demonstrations - or just fellow-traveling with people they can send against their class enemies? "Unions, it's in their best interest to have someone else carry the banner." he told me. "This isn't really aimed at Wall Street so much. It's aimed at corporations."

So who's Occupying? "It's this generation of people who've been graduating since '08 and don't have jobs," he told me. "They are having a tough time because the economy's been bad. They don't know what they want to do about it really. You get a beautiful girl in a Harvard T-shirt, she's saying 'education should be free, we want our student loans paid.'
"And then you have these activists who have learned to do social media. And some people mixed in who remember the 60s. And you have a tremedously heated rhetoric. And you have people who may do irrational things. There is the potential for bricks in windows. Man, you are playing with gasoline."
Posted by Joseph N. DiStefano


 http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/Corporate-social-media-engines-track-Occupy-activists.html#ixzz1a1VMcIvA


These are individuals gathered that are upset that money is more important than people.  Workers have no jobs, the wealth is all at the top.  They are uniformly upset with big corporations.

Think about this too.  What jobs are left, not just available, but still here.  Jobs, not careers, because careers are few.  Career employment has dwindled to staggeringly low numbers even as low wage go nowhere “jobs” have increased.  How would you feel after graduating HS or even College and seeing your real choices as working at Walmart, part time the rest of your life or maybe changing it up with a fast food joint part time.  This country doesn’t just need jobs, it is in dire need of careers, and lots of them.

As with any real uprising, the reasons are not easily seen and understood, but if you take it all as a whole (and use the data miners info) the picture becomes clearer.  The class war waged on workers is being revolted against.  Unfortunately, that war had many fingers, corporate control of Government, wage suppression, exporting jobs and careers, political greed on a grand scale, bailing out the wealthy and ignoring the workers.  For that reason, the complaints will be many.

All these people are aware of is that they feel that they have nothing but a bleak future with no decent job or career, with no hope of retirement because the rich are determined to eliminate that and they see it.  They see a government concerned only with their own pockets and that translates to corporations buying them off.  You can’t take away peoples hopes and dreams and expect that they will thank you.

The teas have talked up a good game of change and revolution, well, the potential beginnings of one is here.
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2011, 02:03:42 PM »

Again, a good place to march would be in front of 200 West Street NY, NY. AKA Goldman Sachs. Those are the greedy bastards that are partially to blame for the initial economic collapse, and they are the same people that have been over seeing the Treasury of the United States, as well as advising current and former administrations on financial policies. These guys set us up for faliure and then bailed themselves out, all while lining their pockets with our money! Enough is enough, we need to make a push to change this.
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2011, 02:11:22 PM »

Again, a good place to march would be in front of 200 West Street NY, NY. AKA Goldman Sachs. Those are the greedy bastards that are partially to blame for the initial economic collapse, and they are the same people that have been over seeing the Treasury of the United States, as well as advising current and former administrations on financial policies. These guys set us up for faliure and then bailed themselves out, all while lining their pockets with our money! Enough is enough, we need to make a push to change this.

Yesterday a peaceful group showed up there to close their accounts in protest. A large police presence and a spokesman from the bank would not even allow then to go in, even though they had accounts that they wanted to close.
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2011, 02:45:14 PM »

Yesterday a peaceful group showed up there to close their accounts in protest. A large police presence and a spokesman from the bank would not even allow then to go in, even though they had accounts that they wanted to close.

Somehow I'm not surprised, everything is a mindgame at this point.
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2011, 02:59:37 PM »

The teas have talked up a good game of change and revolution, well, the potential beginnings of one is here.



Talked up a good game?  Did you forget November 2010?  And no revolution was necessary.  All it took was the ballot box (And wait till November 2012 for another eye opener).

The Dems had control of the WH and Congress for 2 years, and you're still not satisfied.  King Putt didn't spend enough, he didn't distribute enough, he didn't do anything enough to satisfy the extreme left.

Coffee cup clubs, take america back, and now OWS.  You can't get what you want by theft, so now it's time to take off the gloves.  Bring in the union thugs.  You complain about tea party violence with nothing to back it up.  Now you and others start talking revolution.  So who the h*ll are the radicals?

So go ahead and berate the teas and call us every name in the book, but you sure sound just like the sore losers protesting in NY who demand, demand, demand.

Here's the first part of a good article.  BRD may want to read this, as it does the comparison with the 1773 Boston Tea Party:

I am not the first to note the vast differences between the Wall Street protesters and the tea partiers. To name three: The tea partiers have jobs, showers and a point.

No one knows what the Wall Street protesters want -- as is typical of mobs. They say they want Obama re-elected, but claim to hate "Wall Street." You know, the same Wall Street that gave its largest campaign donation in history to Obama, who, in turn, bailed out the banks and made Goldman Sachs the fourth branch of government.

This would be like opposing fattening, processed foods, but cheering Michael Moore -- which the protesters also did this week.

But to me, the most striking difference between the tea partiers and the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd -- besides the smell of patchouli -- is how liberal protesters must claim their every gathering is historic and heroic.

They chant: "The world is watching!" "This is how democracy looks!" "We are the ones we've been waiting for!"

At the risk of acknowledging that I am, in fact, "watching," this is most definitely not how democracy looks.

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2011/10/05/this_is_what_a_mob_looks_like
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2011, 03:47:00 PM »

Talked up a good game?  Did you forget November 2010?  And no revolution was necessary.  All it took was the ballot box (And wait till November 2012 for another eye opener).

The Dems had control of the WH and Congress for 2 years, and you're still not satisfied.  King Putt didn't spend enough, he didn't distribute enough, he didn't do anything enough to satisfy the extreme left.

Coffee cup clubs, take america back, and now OWS.  You can't get what you want by theft, so now it's time to take off the gloves.  Bring in the union thugs.  You complain about tea party violence with nothing to back it up.  Now you and others start talking revolution.  So who the h*ll are the radicals?

So go ahead and berate the teas and call us every name in the book, but you sure sound just like the sore losers protesting in NY who demand, demand, demand.

Here's the first part of a good article.  BRD may want to read this, as it does the comparison with the 1773 Boston Tea Party:

I am not the first to note the vast differences between the Wall Street protesters and the tea partiers. To name three: The tea partiers have jobs, showers and a point.

No one knows what the Wall Street protesters want -- as is typical of mobs. They say they want Obama re-elected, but claim to hate "Wall Street." You know, the same Wall Street that gave its largest campaign donation in history to Obama, who, in turn, bailed out the banks and made Goldman Sachs the fourth branch of government.

This would be like opposing fattening, processed foods, but cheering Michael Moore -- which the protesters also did this week.

But to me, the most striking difference between the tea partiers and the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd -- besides the smell of patchouli -- is how liberal protesters must claim their every gathering is historic and heroic.

They chant: "The world is watching!" "This is how democracy looks!" "We are the ones we've been waiting for!"

At the risk of acknowledging that I am, in fact, "watching," this is most definitely not how democracy looks.

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2011/10/05/this_is_what_a_mob_looks_like



I found it an interesting take, both yours and the article.  I like the projection of things that don’t exist as a way to denigrate them.
2010 was the economy and jobs... period.

“Coffee cup clubs, take america back, and now OWS. You can't get what you want by theft”  Theft huh, a tall accusation that is all lie.  Just the ranting tea radical spin.

“so now it's time to take off the gloves. Bring in the union thugs.”  Yes, union people are a part of it, and some unions are starting to support it as well.  No guns or thuggery, just protests.  Tea radicals love that word since it is what THEY do.

“You complain about tea party violence with nothing to back it up.”  Backed it up plenty, you just ignored it.

“Now you and others start talking revolution. So who the h*ll are the radicals?”  Got me on that one.  The teas were all made and propped up by the media and Republican leadership. This is real ground level.  So, I guess that they are.  But then if trying to stop corporate ownership of the govt. instead of working to make it stronger as the teas have done.... well that is good radical.

One key piece of tea stupid was inferring it was all about Obama and getting him reelected.  LOL, how naive.  Oh, and a bit of rewriting of history tossed in too.  Guess he forgot that it was Bush that signed TARP before Obama was President. Oops.


Not berating your corporate owned group, I just love the contrast with what is genuine.
 
As for the article, you loved.  It is a tea slanted one that was not even attempting to see it.
 
“I am not the first to note the vast differences between the Wall Street protesters and the tea partiers. To name three: The tea partiers have jobs, showers and a point.”  Cool... he believes in recycling or theft because that exact line was used on the protestors in Wisconsin Last year.

“This would be like opposing fattening, processed foods, but cheering Michael Moore -- which the protesters also did this week.”  Gosh that makes sense...  “Get the government out of my Medicare” ring any bells?

I will patiently await the next tea spin...
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2011, 04:14:33 PM »

We have been divided by animosity toward each other. Our desire to unite was replaced with a craving to disassemble. We use the internet for hate, not for discussion. All this far left, far right crap must end. As far as I can tell most people agree that this started at the top with large corporations not playing by the rules. So what are "WE" going to do about it?
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2011, 04:18:31 PM »


I found it an interesting take, both yours and the article.  I like the projection of things that don’t exist as a way to denigrate them.
2010 was the economy and jobs... period.

Projection of things that don't exist?   ...what are you talking about?

“Coffee cup clubs, take america back, and now OWS. You can't get what you want by theft”  Theft huh, a tall accusation that is all lie.  Just the ranting tea radical spin.

Redistribution of wealth is theft.....no spin there. 

“so now it's time to take off the gloves. Bring in the union thugs.”  Yes, union people are a part of it, and some unions are starting to support it as well.  No guns or thuggery, just protests.  Tea radicals love that word since it is what THEY do.

What word are you talking about?

“You complain about tea party violence with nothing to back it up.”  Backed it up plenty, you just ignored it.

You've backed up 'tea party viloence' with nothing.  The few cases were union thugs planted by the radical left.

“Now you and others start talking revolution. So who the h*ll are the radicals?”  Got me on that one.  The teas were all made and propped up by the media and Republican leadership. This is real ground level.  So, I guess that they are.  But then if trying to stop corporate ownership of the govt. instead of working to make it stronger as the teas have done.... well that is good radical.


So ows and Soros is real ground level, and sane, normal people meeting in downtown Monroe are bought and paid for?  And propped up by the media?  We have been demonized from day 1.  And OWS gets a free pass.  I'm speechless that you can write that with a straight face.

One key piece of tea stupid was inferring it was all about Obama and getting him reelected.  LOL, how naive.  Oh, and a bit of rewriting of history tossed in too.  Guess he forgot that it was Bush that signed TARP before Obama was President. Oops.

All about President Zero?  Well, here's one paragraph that I read that I haven't discounted:
An even smarter one would be asking how are they planning on using these protesters in 2012 to subvert the elections. My hunch is that these protests aren’t about accomplishing anything right now except to flex their muscles, test out the police, and see which supporters “they” (the White House) can count on.
In short: #OccupyWallStreet is a dry run for November 2012.



Not berating your corporate owned group, I just love the contrast with what is genuine. 

Genuine what?  What is it again they're protesting?  They'll be gone as soon as the weather gets colder.
 
As for the article, you loved.  It is a tea slanted one that was not even attempting to see it.


See what? That corporations are evil?  Did you ever think that if govt. was smaller, then we wouldn't have so much crony capitalism?  You refuse to see what the tea party stands for.  Just like you think we're bought and paid for, but not ows.  
 
“I am not the first to note the vast differences between the Wall Street protesters and the tea partiers. To name three: The tea partiers have jobs, showers and a point.”  Cool... he believes in recycling or theft because that exact line was used on the protestors in Wisconsin Last year.

Exact line?  Show me.

“This would be like opposing fattening, processed foods, but cheering Michael Moore -- which the protesters also did this week.”  Gosh that makes sense...  “Get the government out of my Medicare” ring any bells?

huh?

I will patiently await the next tea spin...

It's all spin to you.  So what is it you want? And why aren't you out there protesting?

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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2011, 05:20:51 PM »

I'll say it again. What are "WE" going to do? Sitting here bickering like two children is almost as bad as our congress, which pretty well grinds to a halt everytime they are talking about something that isn't a raise.
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« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2011, 06:13:41 PM »

(And wait till November 2012 for another eye opener).
I am just wondering WHOSE eyes are going to be opened.
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« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2011, 11:32:28 AM »

Article:  http://www.annarbor.com/business-review/people-gather-at-the-diag/


Looks like nice weather for a protest 8) 8) 8)
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2011, 11:37:38 AM »

This is why they are protesting, and this is why it will not stop until the bankers hang.

http://youtu.be/2EuMSaG9dQE
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Re: Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2011, 11:46:05 AM »

This is why they are protesting, and this is why it will not stop until the bankers hang.

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From everything I've read, this is an entirely peaceful movement. At least, so far.

I realize you're being figurative, but I don't get a 'bloodlust' vibe, more of a 'justice for all' vibe.
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« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2011, 11:52:26 AM »

It is right now, but what makes you think that things will change when the 1% buys our politicians and controls the 99%. At some point things WILL turn ugly, this is a tenderbox. You can bet the slightest grievance will not go unnoticed either, everything is filmed, for example Lt Anthony Bologna was caught pepperspraying 4 innocent and peacefully women in the face. There was not a just cause, and for Mr. Bologna it will not go unpunished because Anonymous has his name.
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