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Title: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Frenchfry on April 08, 2009, 02:57:36 PM
DETROIT - The Michigan Central Depot -- a 17-story hulking reminder of Detroit's past grandeur and present failures -- could be approaching its end.

The city council has passed a resolution seeking emergency demolition of the mostly hollowed-out building just outside the shadow of downtown, while Mayor Ken Cockrel Jr. has made it clear that he wants federal stimulus money to bring it to rubble.

Both want to force the long-closed train station's owner, Manuel (Matty) Moroun, to pay the city back. Moroun also owns the Ambassador Bridge, which is operated by his Detroit International Bridge Co.

More here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mi-detroittraindepot,0,495860.story


Video of the Michigan Central Station:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtyUsnrY2I

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Mcshie.jpg/800px-Mcshie.jpg)
(http://images.craigslist.org/3k93oc3leZZZZZZZZZ948dae16256255e1470.jpg)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Chips on April 08, 2009, 08:24:38 PM
People in Hell want ice water!
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: countryboy71 on April 08, 2009, 09:06:30 PM
That building is pretty sweet looking imagine what it looked like in its prime, I mean actually seeing it in person.  It Still looks pretty cool and its all tore up.  Detroit needs to do this with most of the buildings the city would probably be alot safer, not spot for drug dealers and homeless and other criminals to live or stay in.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: lordfly on April 08, 2009, 09:24:21 PM
That building is pretty sweet looking imagine what it looked like in its prime, I mean actually seeing it in person.  It Still looks pretty cool and its all tore up.  Detroit needs to do this with most of the buildings the city would probably be alot safer, not spot for drug dealers and homeless and other criminals to live or stay in.

It would also completely destroy the character of the city. Detroit is the world's foremost site of art-deco skyscrapers.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: countryboy71 on April 08, 2009, 09:49:59 PM
yea to bad cost way to much to renovate most buildings
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: jbs49238 on April 08, 2009, 10:49:44 PM
It would also completely destroy the character of the city. Detroit is the world's foremost site of art-deco skyscrapers.


All good things must come to an end.  One day even the Edison stacks will fall (I realize that they lack architectual beauty).

Besides after the sun goes down, no one in Detroit is downthere to admire the building anyways.

I say fill it with combustibles have a nice real hot fire and then just push the walls in.  Wow that would be one hell of a training burn.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: wolverine58 on April 09, 2009, 11:46:21 AM
kinda of sad when I was an kid id change trains in Detroit going to NYC and I was in awe of that station  too bad
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Frenchfry on April 09, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
I guess the guys at the entrance were called porters and when I was a very young boy they taught me not to fear the spiders.

I still look at that building every time I go by and think "what a waste"
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 10, 2009, 12:23:36 AM
FF:

I can relate to that.  What a waste.  It was a beautiful building and interestingly Matty Morun owns it.  He has enough money to refurbish it and bring it back to it's original splendor but it would be a waste to do so because there is no one in Detroit who would appreciate it.  Detroit reminds me of the Sci-Fi movie
'Escape from New York' without any walls.  Detroit is non-existent.

I really hope that Dave Bing or Ken Cockrel get to be mayor and at least make an effort to begin to get Detroit pointed down the right track.  Been way too many years of corruption, blight and just not giving a damn.

 Michigan has some ugly cities.  Detriot and Flint are right at the top.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: jbs49238 on April 10, 2009, 12:27:02 AM
FF:

I can relate to that.  What a waste.  It was a beautiful building and interestingly Matty Morun owns it.  He has enough money to refurbish it and bring it back to it's original splendor but it would be a waste to do so because there is no one in Detroit who would appreciate it.  Detroit reminds me of the Sci-Fi movie
'Escape from New York' without any walls.  Detroit is non-existent.

I really hope that Dave Bing or Ken Cockrel get to be mayor and at least make an effort to begin to get Detroit pointed down the right track.  Been way too many years of corruption, blight and just not giving a damn.

 Michigan has some ugly cities.  Detriot and Flint are right at the top.

The final nail in Detroit's coffin was when Dennis Archer said "screw this I'm done!  Ya'll are on your own".  He had the ball rolling in the right direction but then came Kwame and the rest is history, and so is Detroit.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 10, 2009, 12:38:33 AM
I can't resist...

Kwameee, Kwameee, how I luv ya, how I luv ya, my dear old Kwameee, the folks up north (at Kinross) will miss ya some more...when you go to the Kwamee shore........(Texas to work for Carmanos) what a deal, what corruption.

Of course the Detroit City Council is fighting over COBO while the roof leaks and fills the basement with water.  What a joke.

Detroit needs a thermo-nuclear explosion.  It's a constant drain on the state and all the citizens.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: The Fuzz on April 10, 2009, 08:39:22 AM
When I first moved to this area and my office was near Tiger Stadium, I went with several others to just walk around the old depot.  What a place of grandeur it must have been while operational!  There was a marble inlaid compass on the floor near what must have been the main entrance.  I thought the building was Detroit's grandest piece of architecture and hoped for renovation some day.

Oh well, now it will share the same fate as Cobo Hall is about to due to city leadership that doesn't have the mental capabilities to run a city the size of Monroe yet alone Detroit!
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Borat on April 10, 2009, 11:56:35 PM
The final nail in Detroit's coffin was when Dennis Archer said "screw this I'm done!  Ya'll are on your own".  He had the ball rolling in the right direction but then came Kwame and the rest is history, and so is Detroit.
We'll thats what happens when you have to deal with complete morons for eight years.  I too really think Archer could have done something had he stayed around another 4-8 years.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on March 22, 2018, 09:21:10 AM
When I first moved to this area and my office was near Tiger Stadium, I went with several others to just walk around the old depot.  What a place of grandeur it must have been while operational!  There was a marble inlaid compass on the floor near what must have been the main entrance.  I thought the building was Detroit's grandest piece of architecture and hoped for renovation some day.

Oh well, now it will share the same fate as Cobo Hall is about to due to city leadership that doesn't have the mental capabilities to run a city the size of Monroe yet alone Detroit!

I had to go back a long time to find this one but I remembered reading it 'way back when'.

So far the Depot has survived and at this point it sounds like Ford may buy it and restore it. 

Only 'more time' will tell the 'rest of the story'!

Here's some photos over the years:

https://www.detroitnews.com/picture-gallery/news/local/michigan-history/2015/02/23/michigan-central-depot-through-the-years/23897315/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/picture-gallery/news/local/michigan-history/2015/02/23/michigan-central-depot-through-the-years/23897315/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: blue2 on March 22, 2018, 10:08:11 AM
From what i see there aren't many people that live in Detroit that care about anything.  And the people that don't live in detroit don't want to go there.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Monroe Native on March 22, 2018, 06:54:44 PM
From what i see there aren't many people that live in Detroit that care about anything.  And the people that don't live in detroit don't want to go there.

Have you been down there lately?

Downtown has been gentrified, and it is creeping outwards.

I have several young co-workers who have bought and live downtown - and commute to the burbs to work.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: blue2 on March 22, 2018, 07:38:21 PM
I was at Cobo 2 years ago maybe three and the area around there was pretty bad.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Monroe Native on March 22, 2018, 08:43:59 PM
I was at Cobo 2 years ago maybe three and the area around there was pretty bad.

The last season of Lions games I was blown away by the number of people downtown who were clearly not there for the Lions.

Woodward is full of stores - and the streets 2-3 blocks to each side are being remodeled and filled with businesses.

Chicago its not - but it is improving at an amazing rate.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: blue2 on March 22, 2018, 09:10:03 PM
Kwamme must be gone
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 22, 2018, 09:27:20 PM
Kwamme must be gone

Duggan is a good mayor for Detroit.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on March 24, 2018, 08:55:03 AM
Another article in the Free Press this morning.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/03/24/detroit-train-station-ford-millennial-magnet/449500002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/03/24/detroit-train-station-ford-millennial-magnet/449500002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 01, 2018, 09:07:20 AM
Sounds like the 'Blue Oval' may be heading for the former train depot!

https://patch.com/michigan/detroit/michigan-central-station-has-new-owner-report
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 01, 2018, 04:29:35 PM
I certainly hope so.  It's a grand old building in dire need of new and industrious owners.  Knowing Matty, I'm sure he turned a profit.  Matty don't do anything without making money.

Love to see a big Blue Oval about halfway up in the center of the facade.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 01, 2018, 04:33:41 PM
Having said that (above), I'm not so sure Fords has made the right decisions about it's future product lines and about the electric self driving cars either.

With gas prices climbing, people will be more interested in vehicles that get good mileage and that ain't big pickup trucks or lumber wagon SUV's.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 03, 2018, 06:02:46 PM
Having said that (above), I'm not so sure Fords has made the right decisions about it's future product lines and about the electric self driving cars either.

With gas prices climbing, people will be more interested in vehicles that get good mileage and that ain't big pickup trucks or lumber wagon SUV's.

Here's an article with a little more of the 'thought process' that went into their decisions.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2018/06/01/ford-stop-making-cars/662524002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2018/06/01/ford-stop-making-cars/662524002/)

Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 03, 2018, 09:34:48 PM
Here's an article with a little more of the 'thought process' that went into their decisions.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2018/06/01/ford-stop-making-cars/662524002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2018/06/01/ford-stop-making-cars/662524002/)

That philosophy hinges entirely on the cost of fuel and that cost is going up, everyday.  BTW, I'm averaging 41 mpg, city / highway combined.  Actually, 41.4 on the fuel computer but for practical purposes, 41.  41 with the air on all the time fantastic in my view.  If I was Fords, I'd keep the Focus as a backup and not a Chinese Focus though that might change with DJT's tariff's.  What do I know, I'm just a consumer. ;D
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Monroe Native on June 04, 2018, 07:24:20 PM
I just don't see the attractiveness of working in Detroit.

I don't want ANY of my income going to pay taxes in that city.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 05, 2018, 08:54:41 AM
That philosophy hinges entirely on the cost of fuel and that cost is going up, everyday.  BTW, I'm averaging 41 mpg, city / highway combined.  Actually, 41.4 on the fuel computer but for practical purposes, 41.  41 with the air on all the time fantastic in my view.  If I was Fords, I'd keep the Focus as a backup and not a Chinese Focus though that might change with DJT's tariff's.  What do I know, I'm just a consumer. ;D

Maybe Ford just needs to go back to their roots.  Henry's first 'vehicle' ran completely on ethanol. 

I can brew my own if I have to ;) ;) ;)

https://www.clickondetroit.com/entertainment/1d4/122-years-later-henry-fords-first-automobile (https://www.clickondetroit.com/entertainment/1d4/122-years-later-henry-fords-first-automobile)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 05, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
Ethanol makes a good fuel.  Problem is, it has no shelf life and when mixed with petroleum based fuels likes to 'drop out' of suspension.

Alternative fueled vehicles might become the norm someday but not in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 09, 2018, 09:44:39 AM
Someone is busy working on the old depot even though the plans haven't been released yet. 

Here are a couple of articles from the two main Detroit papers:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2018/06/08/moroun-ford-corktown-train-station-deal-announcement/685068002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2018/06/08/moroun-ford-corktown-train-station-deal-announcement/685068002/)

https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/john-gallagher/2018/06/08/detroit-train-station-depot-ford/684510002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/john-gallagher/2018/06/08/detroit-train-station-depot-ford/684510002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: The Fuzz on June 09, 2018, 10:05:17 AM
Me and a few other guys I worked with when we had a downtown office went into the building.  It was easy with some imagination to picture the grandeur of what it must have been back in the day.  A marble inlay compass on the floor in the center lobby, ornate staircases, and beautiful granite columns.

Glad to see FMC take this initiative and want to visit it once completed.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Monroe Native on June 09, 2018, 12:31:17 PM
Me and a few other guys I worked with when we had a downtown office went into the building.  It was easy with some imagination to picture the grandeur of what it must have been back in the day.  A marble inlay compass on the floor in the center lobby, ornate staircases, and beautiful granite columns.

Glad to see FMC take this initiative and want to visit it once completed.

I watched the fireworks from the roof one night.

I wouldn't have done it, but I was with a bunch of heavily armed Cop friends, including an off duty DPS officer.

Seemed safe that nothing would go wrong or we wouldn't get arrested with that crew.

Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: The Fuzz on June 09, 2018, 12:46:58 PM
There were stairwells all the way to the top, wellshit......I would have gone further up.  Bet that was a decent view of the fireworks.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 09, 2018, 01:00:48 PM
I would think that once completed it would be a tourist magnet if, Fords will allow the public in.  Hope they do.  Wonder how much Matty sold it for Matty don't sell anything cheap.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Professor H on June 09, 2018, 01:47:33 PM
I would think that once completed it would be a tourist magnet if, Fords will allow the public in.  Hope they do.  Wonder how much Matty sold it for Matty don't sell anything cheap.
Maybe he needed money to fix the bridge... :)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Monroe Native on June 09, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Maybe he needed money to fix the bridge... :)

Maybe he was tired of the city asking him to do something with it.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 09, 2018, 09:10:44 PM
Don't think Matty needs any more money actually. 
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 09, 2018, 10:42:05 PM

Ford has recently announced a few purchases in Cork Town.   

1) Train Depot
2) The old Post Office/Book Depository which has a tunnel to the Train Depot.  Probably will be a parking structure.
3) Warehouse on Michigan Ave.   Home of the Edison project.

I am sure that Ford has locked up the land down Dalzelle Street before these moves were made public.    They appear to be building a second campus.


 


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Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Monroe Native on June 10, 2018, 07:05:03 AM
Don't think Matty needs any more money actually.

When has need ever had anything to do with it?
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 10, 2018, 08:30:53 AM
Ford has recently announced a few purchases in Cork Town.   

1) Train Depot
2) The old Post Office/Book Depository which has a tunnel to the Train Depot.  Probably will be a parking structure.
3) Warehouse on Michigan Ave.   Home of the Edison project.

I am sure that Ford has locked up the land down Dalzelle Street before these moves were made public.    They appear to be building a second campus.


 


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I haven't really dug into it but also haven't heard anyone mention the 'why' of the tunnel being built in the first place.  Is that info anything you've run across?
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 10, 2018, 10:30:37 AM
I haven't really dug into it but also haven't heard anyone mention the 'why' of the tunnel being built in the first place.  Is that info anything you've run across?


My guess would be that the tunnel was built to move mail from the post office to the train depot. 
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 10, 2018, 06:15:17 PM



In its beginnings, this structure was built to serve the Detroit Post Office for it was close to Michigan Central Station.  Back when the post came using the railway services, it was brought from the railroad depot to the Detroit Post Office, where it was sorted and packed for delivery, via a tunnel that runs deep below street level.

https://www.abandonedspaces.com/public/wat-kudi-dao-the-monastery-of-the-star-dormitory-and-its-battle-against-time.html (https://www.abandonedspaces.com/public/wat-kudi-dao-the-monastery-of-the-star-dormitory-and-its-battle-against-time.html)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 11, 2018, 03:47:20 AM


In its beginnings, this structure was built to serve the Detroit Post Office for it was close to Michigan Central Station.  Back when the post came using the railway services, it was brought from the railroad depot to the Detroit Post Office, where it was sorted and packed for delivery, via a tunnel that runs deep below street level.

https://www.abandonedspaces.com/public/wat-kudi-dao-the-monastery-of-the-star-dormitory-and-its-battle-against-time.html (https://www.abandonedspaces.com/public/wat-kudi-dao-the-monastery-of-the-star-dormitory-and-its-battle-against-time.html)

That all makes sense.  Thanks for the 'find'. 

Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Professor H on June 11, 2018, 07:32:13 AM
I used to ride the train from Toledo to Detroit with my grandfather - as his special Christmas gift...  He would take us to Hudsons and let us pick out something.   I see its been closed for 30 years - and hopefully this time someone will be able to restore it to something nice...

Curious about Ford moving in the area -  I can envision the Blue Oval on the building however
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 11, 2018, 11:45:15 AM

I wonder how big the Ford Corktown campus will be?

Moroun confirms Detroit train station sold to Ford: 'Blue Oval will adorn the building'

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180611/news/663281/moroun-confirms-detroit-train-station-sold-to-ford-blue-oval-will-adorn (http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180611/news/663281/moroun-confirms-detroit-train-station-sold-to-ford-blue-oval-will-adorn)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 11, 2018, 01:13:55 PM
When has need ever had anything to do with it?

Never looked at Matty as a preservationist but I guess he is.  I do know one thing and that is, it will take literally tens of millions to bring the building back to it's former self.  I would imagine that Fords will apply for and most likely get tax abatements and redevelopment grants.  Gonna take a bunch of pickup truck sales to get that ship righted.

Matt stated Matty's company had invested about 8 mill in the building since they acquired it.

Wow, 110,000 square foot concourse and ground floor.  That is just enormous.  Just floor space, not height.

I bet it will be at least 5 years to completion.

I also liked to hinting about the Moriun family's new project, another new Ambassador bridge.  I do wonder how that will play out with the current US / Canada relationship.

Trump smoked Trudeau yesterday.  Basically called him a liar and a piece of dog poop.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 12, 2018, 08:57:10 AM
Here's the article from Mlive on the sale of the station.  Lots and lots of great photos!

https://www.mlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/06/81507bd2a84163/index.html (https://www.mlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/06/81507bd2a84163/index.html)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 12, 2018, 09:06:46 AM
A short video from Mlive on some of the history of the station:

Ford buys iconic Detroit train station (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJe82pqGxE&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 12, 2018, 09:27:21 AM
Never looked at Matty as a preservationist but I guess he is.  I do know one thing and that is, it will take literally tens of millions to bring the building back to it's former self.  I would imagine that Fords will apply for and most likely get tax abatements and redevelopment grants.  Gonna take a bunch of pickup truck sales to get that ship righted.

Matt stated Matty's company had invested about 8 mill in the building since they acquired it.

Wow, 110,000 square foot concourse and ground floor.  That is just enormous.  Just floor space, not height.

I bet it will be at least 5 years to completion.

I also liked to hinting about the Moriun family's new project, another new Ambassador bridge.  I do wonder how that will play out with the current US / Canada relationship.

Trump smoked Trudeau yesterday.  Basically called him a liar and a piece of dog poop.

I saw one estimate at over $100M.  That may be a drop in the bucket for what this entire 'campus' will cost though. 
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 12, 2018, 09:45:06 AM
An article from the Detroit Free Press with their own series of photos.

Obviously lots and lots of photos taken there over the years!

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/11/ford-moroun-detroit-train-station/689843002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/11/ford-moroun-detroit-train-station/689843002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 12, 2018, 07:27:15 PM


I doubt that these purchases were done by Ford.    I am sure that Ford had it's land deals locked in before they announced their return to Detroit last December.



Land deals consolidate 4 blocks of Detroit’s Corktown

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2018/05/16/corktown-land-deals-near-new-ford-detroit-campus/35001601/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2018/05/16/corktown-land-deals-near-new-ford-detroit-campus/35001601/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 15, 2018, 10:22:59 AM
Mlive article:

https://twitter.com/MattMencarini/status/1007593642809229312
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 15, 2018, 11:11:35 AM
Detroit News article:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2018/06/14/central-depot-latin-mottoes-rise-ashes/704129002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2018/06/14/central-depot-latin-mottoes-rise-ashes/704129002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 16, 2018, 09:04:25 AM
A timeline of Ford's involvement and moves into and out of Detroit over the years.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/06/16/ford-michigan-central-station-history/702035002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/06/16/ford-michigan-central-station-history/702035002/)

I especially enjoyed the photo of the Ford Rotunda in Dearborn.  My uncle actually worked for Oldsmobile (he designed interior door handles and related mechanisms) but he would take us every year to the Christmas show at the Rotunda.  I was very disappointed when it burned down and Ford didn't rebuild it >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 16, 2018, 09:07:50 AM
Here's a 'people story' that goes along with the train depot neighborhood.

I wonder how much the 'value' of their home has shot up in the last couple of months?

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/15/ford-1970-f-250-michigan-central-station/706406002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/15/ford-1970-f-250-michigan-central-station/706406002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: The Fuzz on June 16, 2018, 01:47:23 PM
Interesting story......had to have inside info or good gut instinct to make an investment of any sorts in that area.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 19, 2018, 12:19:35 PM
Here's an interesting story about the train depot.  Apparently years ago someone removed the clock on the face of the building and had kept it for many years.  Now they have anonymously returned it so it can be re-installed.  Ultimately they probably saved it from scrappers!!!

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/06/18/thief-returns-detroit-train-station-stolen-clock/710459002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/06/18/thief-returns-detroit-train-station-stolen-clock/710459002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 23, 2018, 01:59:39 PM


I went to the train station to check it out:


(http://monroetalks.com/forum/gallery/5662_23_06_18_1_51_05.jpeg)

(http://monroetalks.com/forum/gallery/5662_23_06_18_1_52_42.jpeg)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: blue2 on June 23, 2018, 02:16:55 PM
Wow,  looks like it needs some work.  I know things like this mean something to the elder generation but not so sure the jet setters care much..
They don't get a dose of history in school anymore.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Maverick on June 23, 2018, 02:20:16 PM
I'd pay for a tour of the whole building
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 23, 2018, 02:49:56 PM


There's alot of work to be done to bring this beauty back.


(http://monroetalks.com/forum/gallery/5662_23_06_18_2_46_56.jpeg)

(http://monroetalks.com/forum/gallery/5662_23_06_18_2_48_18.jpeg)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: The Fuzz on June 23, 2018, 02:52:17 PM
I can almost guarantee that the renovation will be first class!
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 23, 2018, 04:35:29 PM
I can almost guarantee that the renovation will be first class!

I think so Fuzz.  Not going to be an overnight deal either.  It took years of concentrated vandalism and the ravages of weather to bring the grand old building to it's knees but, I'm sure the Ford Motor Company buyers took a hard look at the structure before they bought it.

If I live long enough, I'm really looking forward to viewing the transformation.  I understand that the main concourse will be like a mall of sorts with shops and things to do.  Only the main building will be offices and part of that will be leased out as well.

In as much as the building is on the National register of Historic Buildings, I would think Fords will apply for and get grants and tax abatements on it as well.

No matter what, it's a huge undertaking for any corporation.  I look for the Maroun family to break ground now on the new bridge.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 24, 2018, 09:22:16 AM

I went to the train station to check it out:



Great pictures, thanks for posting. 

I'd pay for a tour of the whole building

I saw a brief article somewhere that due to the overwhelming response they were trying to figure out a way to provide access for a couple of more weeks.  Not sure how extensive those tours might be though and probably won't last for long if at all. 

I'll keep my eyes open.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 24, 2018, 09:56:46 AM
I had also wondered if there would be any kind of rail access directly to the 'new' depot.  Apparently they haven't ruled that possibility out but it also goes beyond what even Ford can do alone.  I can certainly see the potential for something in the future.

I was only a few years old and my Mom would take the train from Midland to Stow, Ohio, to visit her sister.  I was too small to remember the train depots along the way but looking back I don't see how she could have made the trip without us going through Michigan Central. 

Later I remember riding the Bee Liner from Midland to Royal Oak to visit another sister.  I was a little older so I could really enjoy that trip.

The 'Bee Liner' was similar to an interurban car but it was diesel powered. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Rail_Diesel_Car (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Rail_Diesel_Car)

Budd Diesel Rail Cars Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoAl7rWBzzE#)


I guess I got a little 'side tracked' but here's the news clipping:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/columnists/rochelle-riley/2018/06/24/michigan-central-station/722967002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/columnists/rochelle-riley/2018/06/24/michigan-central-station/722967002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 24, 2018, 10:01:49 AM
I did some Googling and everything I find indicates the tours have only been extended through Monday. 

I guess at some point they have to get back to working on the renovation.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: blue2 on June 24, 2018, 10:24:21 AM
if you  took the train to Stow Oh you probably went thru the little farm towns south of toledo where i grew up..
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 24, 2018, 10:27:53 AM
if you  took the train to Stow Oh you probably went thru the little farm towns south of toledo where i grew up..

This would have been in the early 1950s. 

I don't know what kind of train but do remember the Bee Liner to Royal Oak later on.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 24, 2018, 10:55:35 AM
I'd pay for a tour of the whole building

You can join the waitlist here:


https://fordmcsopenhouse.splashthat.com/


They may open up the tour to new dates if the demand exists.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: blue2 on June 24, 2018, 11:16:58 AM
Well in the early 50's i was a kid that hung out in the park next to the tracks going thru town at the end of the business dist.  Remember trains of all kinds but passenger trains went out of style pretty shortly after that..We'd put pennies on the track
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 24, 2018, 12:15:02 PM
Well in the early 50's i was a kid that hung out in the park next to the tracks going thru town at the end of the business dist.  Remember trains of all kinds but passenger trains went out of style pretty shortly after that..We'd put pennies on the track

Passenger trains went out of demand by the mid 50s because most of the people could buy a reliable car by then. 

Right after WWII there just weren't any vehicles (new or used) to speak of for sale.  All the pre-war vehicles had been worn out and a lot of them were scrapped for the 'war effort' so not a lot of 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) hand vehicles around.  The big 'three' were busy switching from war production of tanks and planes and 'jeeps' but it wasn't instantaneous.  The 'world' our military had destroyed got an awful lot of the same raw materials that we needed to build vehicles. 

My parents finally bought a new Kaiser Frazer (no idea what model, just a 4 door sedan with a 6 cylinder in line Continental engine with a 3 speed manual transmission and it was painted basic non gloss black.  My Mom promptly rolled it over while she was pregnant with me (I've already heard all the jokes possible for that one) and it took months and months to get it repaired.

Then they had a '53 Buick 4 door (I think it may have had a straight 8 but I don't remember it being very fast) and then finally in '56 my Dad special 'custom' ordered a 1956 Buick Special (3 holes on the fender).  That had a V-8 and a one speed 'DynaFlow' transmission.  The neighbor he worked with had a '54 and then a '57 Mercury with V8s and they would race quite often. 

Anyway, by mid 50s people were all working in the 'post war' boom economy and cars were readily available finally and that really helped put an end to anyone 'needing' to ride the trains. 

This is not quite the color of his '56.  I went along when they ordered it and there were pages and pages of colors available.  A lot has changed in building cars since then.

Otherwise this looked just like our Buick.  The ignition key was just on and off and there was no 'start' button anywhere.  You stepped on the gas which would 'trip' the choke and also make a connection to start the engine.  It worked great new but later on it caused some issues.  Anytime you mix electric and fuel in the same device you'e going to have issues once things get older. 

The DynaFlow trans also had some problems later on and it was very difficult to find anyone capable of working on it.  Finally took it over around Saginaw and a guy that worked on Minneapolis Moline tractors rebuilt it.  Maybe tractors had hydrostatic transmissions by then.

When they bought the '53 Buick they kept the Kaiser for my Dad's go to work car.  The body literally rotted and fell off it in a couple of more years and that was very, very typical for the post war cars.  The steel was low grade to start with and they hadn't figured out how to protect it from all the brine they used on our roads around Midland.

My Dad worked at Dow and had a small farm operation 'on the side'.  We cut the body off the Kaiser and built a 'bed' out of 4" thick oak bridge planks.  Put a couple more planks cross wise for a 'seat' and we had a fairly unique farm vehicle.

The next door neighbor lady named it 'the doodlebug' and she forbid her kids from being anywhere near it when I was driving it.  I started driving it at probably 7 or 8 and never looked back when it came to driving a stick. 

The day we had drivers training road tests I even took my road test on the one 'stick shift' car we had.  Everyone had to have some time driving a stick but most all elected to take their road test on the automatics. 

I even 'volunteered' to go 'first out of the few of us 'farm kids' that were in that line.  I had to slide across the front seat from the passenger door (no bucket seats in those cars).  Then the trooper climbed in and said 'go'. 

I started up and did all the 'safety checks' and then let the clutch out and hit 2nd gear while still in the parking lot.  We were a rural school and campus was huge.  When I made my 2-3 shift (still in the school drive) the trooper said "You've driven before" and had me pull over.  The other 3 or 4 did pretty much the same thing and we had our certificates and were 'gone' before most of the cars had even hit the road yet.

Anyway, here's the '56 Buick.

(https://www.ronsusser.com/listings/images/12497/133748.jpg)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 24, 2018, 10:27:38 PM
That is worth a fortune today BRD....

I still prefer a stick shift over an automatic.  I'd have a stick in my F350 but Fords hydraulic actuated clutch on their F series trucks also becomes an issue when it gets older so the truck has an automatic.

My Focus has a 5 speed.  I really enjoy driving it.  It has a lot of balls and I'm averaging 41mpg.  I'd never be able to do that with an automatic.  I would have preferred the RS with the 6 speed but CL said no.  Must have been the turbocharged 300 horsepower engine...lol
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 25, 2018, 08:29:12 PM
That is worth a fortune today BRD....

I still prefer a stick shift over an automatic.  I'd have a stick in my F350 but Fords hydraulic actuated clutch on their F series trucks also becomes an issue when it gets older so the truck has an automatic.

My Focus has a 5 speed.  I really enjoy driving it.  It has a lot of balls and I'm averaging 41mpg.  I'd never be able to do that with an automatic.  I would have preferred the RS with the 6 speed but CL said no.  Must have been the turbocharged 300 horsepower engine...lol

Ford doesn't even sell a manual shift of any combination in the F-150 now.  Not sure on the Super Duty.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: blue2 on June 25, 2018, 08:53:49 PM
I have  GM auto with 5 speed automatic. Also a paddle shifter on column..
Wonder why they bother to add that.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Monroe Native on June 25, 2018, 08:57:48 PM
I have  GM auto with 5 speed automatic. Also a paddle shifter on column..
Wonder why they bother to add that.

Because if it has paddle shifters - its a "race" car.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 25, 2018, 09:34:11 PM
I have  GM auto with 5 speed automatic. Also a paddle shifter on column..
Wonder why they bother to add that.

My F-150 has a six speed auto and it has a 'manual' option to shift one gear at a time. 

I did use it up the UP when we were 'off roading' about as much as I want to take that truck.  All the fire lanes are loose, loose sand and it drives the computer nuts trying to figure out 'where' to shift.  I can just put it in manual and hold it in 2nd and it does real good.

The latest trucks have a 10 speed auto.  I don't know if they come with the 'manual' option.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 25, 2018, 09:35:30 PM
Ford doesn't even sell a manual shift of any combination in the F-150 now.  Not sure on the Super Duty.

Thats too bad.  I prefer a standard anyday.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 25, 2018, 09:36:56 PM
What the heck is a paddle shift anyway?
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 26, 2018, 07:31:23 PM
Article on tours.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2018/06/26/ford-saw-over-20-000-people-detroit-train-station-tours/734740002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2018/06/26/ford-saw-over-20-000-people-detroit-train-station-tours/734740002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: Maverick on June 26, 2018, 08:32:34 PM
I want the full blown tour from the basement to the attic. Probably not available.
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 27, 2018, 07:41:44 AM
I want the full blown tour from the basement to the attic. Probably not available.

Go up to that area late one night and ask around and find the best 'scrapper' in the area.  They guys that have been working in there the last 20 years hauling out anything not fastened down (and quite a bit that is fastened down). 

That person can probably give you an excellent tour literally from the basement (tunnels included) all the way to the attics. 

The only catch I see is your tour guide has probably never been there in the daylight so you'll have to go at night ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on June 27, 2018, 09:54:00 AM
Apparently there are quite a few people around who have been 'protecting' various artifacts from the depot...

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/27/ford-return-detroit-train-station-items/734256002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/27/ford-return-detroit-train-station-items/734256002/)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: excelsior on June 29, 2018, 10:23:55 AM

Detroit: Comeback City, premiering this Sunday, July 1 at 9/8c on the History channel highlights the Detroit Train Station's role in the rise and fall of Detroit.


History's Detroit: Comeback City - Final Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtGTQSqLflU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtGTQSqLflU)
Title: Re: Detroit wants blighted old train depot demolished
Post by: BigRedDog on September 25, 2018, 08:46:38 AM
Ford paid $90M for the depot property.  Matty made another shrewd investment pay off big! 

Here's an update on where things are at this point. 

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/09/24/matty-moroun-michigan-central-station/1412930002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2018/09/24/matty-moroun-michigan-central-station/1412930002/)