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Title: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: toobad on January 18, 2013, 11:15:57 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualized_Education_Program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualized_Education_Program)

It appears a Jefferson principle has cancelled several IEP appointments set. If I'm not mistaken this is a violation of the handicapped students rights. It was also stated that the same principle has made various threats regarding to an employees of her school regarding this incident.

Fortunately the student has left that school.

Should this be reported to State Authorities for futher disposition?
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: The Fuzz on January 18, 2013, 11:27:39 AM
I had to force the MPS into this for one of my children a long time ago......it is a state law, and I suspect he will he held in violation.

Will be interesting to watch......he surely knows the law, so I'm guessing he may have seen something suspect in the status that forces IEP's.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: T-M-T on January 18, 2013, 11:51:40 AM
Is this another one of those hearsay "Richardville is having an affair!" threads?

Here's a link you can actually use, toobad:

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/principal-versus-principle.aspx (http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/principal-versus-principle.aspx)
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: The Fuzz on January 18, 2013, 12:02:36 PM
I hadn't heard that one T, I always figured he was doinking a beautician.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Professor H on January 18, 2013, 01:47:26 PM
Here's Michigan's requirements and the forms.
It would fall to the ISD for some form of complaint as they oversee special education in the county.

http://www.michigan.gov/mde/0,1607,7-140-6530_6598-236252--,00.html (http://www.michigan.gov/mde/0,1607,7-140-6530_6598-236252--,00.html)
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: toobad on January 18, 2013, 03:07:19 PM
Is this another one of those hearsay "Richardville is having an affair!" threads?

Here's a link you can actually use, toobad:

[url]http://grammar.quickand[/url] dirtytips.com/.asp ([url]http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/principal-versus-principle.aspx[/url])



T-M-T are you the sites grammar police, sorry for the incorrect useage of the term (really I'm not). The post is factual and most importantly documented so I"m asking you T-M-T, should I elevate this matter? Should this principles (ha, ha) actions be investigated?

Thank you Professor H.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: ducksoup on January 18, 2013, 03:15:14 PM
An IEP is not state, it is a part of IDEA (individuals with disabilities education act) that is federal.  I don’t exactly recall the specifics but seems that the school has a very limited time to respond to the call for an IEP.  That doesn’t mean one happens immediately, just that they must have a good reason to delay.

A usual IEP MUST have assessments.  That means sometimes special tests or psychological evaluations.  It might require speech evaluations, and even physical evaluations.  It also, if a first one, requires the gathering of outside medical information which can take time.  Also, when the actual IEP meeting happens it requires everyone relevant to be at the meeting and that can be all teachers, the principal, Speech specialists, physical therapists, social workers and psychologists, and virtually anyone else that is needed for the IEP.

An official IEP is no tiny thing.  It isn’t some small unimportant meeting for any involved, including the parents.  As an example.  When little guy did his first one it was stressed very strongly that signing the IEP was a lifetime permanent decision.  Even though he was tested medically and found autistic, the IEP would label him permanently.  It would be something there for his entire life.  Now, little guy isn’t marginal, but if he was then the question of what if he gets better and overcomes his limitations.  Doesn’t matter.  If you sign an IEP it is permanent.

That is just to show how very important and out of the ordinary legally they are.  There is no way a principal is going to change a lawsuit negligently.  If he was putting them off then he has valid reasons.  If the evaluations say no help is needed then THAT needs put in an IEP statement of meeting.

It is such a powerful tool for parents and any involved that a parent can call one at any time and the school MUST respond within 10 days (I think it is 10).

Now, on the more difficult side.  IEP’s are to establish what, if any, extra help or tools a child needs.  That is the place that schools stall and try to avoid.  It means money and they don’t want to spend any (for good reason).

We have many IEP like meetings with people at the school.  There have been many with his teachers, speech therapist, social worker and sometimes the director of Monroe County ISD.  To be honest I don’t recall a principal ever, but depends on the circumstances I guess.  But, even if they are all the same people, that official IEP on paper is a totally different thing.

Again.  IEP’s are federal and designed to give children with disabilities the help needed to solve an educational lag.  It can be minor to our thinking of speech therapy, or a transcriber to take notes for someone that cannot write, or hear well.  It can even be as simple as getting a kid sitting at the front of the class. But, when it comes to cost they tend to try and say it isn’t needed.  They often try the cheapest route in hopes that they work.  For instance a person hard of hearing might need an FM system.  That is a special hearing aid that the child swaps for their own and has a radio receiver and the teacher wears a mic.  Everything goes straight to the student clearly.  The school might try other things before the FM system because it is expensive.  Until that gets ironed out it doesn’t even get near an IEP. 

Anyway, the principal might blow off a meeting that IS NOT an IEP.  The principal can delay because all the information is not gathered, but it is too big a deal, even to schools, to just toss aside.

It is also annual.  It must be renewed each year.  A meeting can be called to change it at any time, but the annual one is required.  Little guy’s is in two weeks and we have two different appointments with school officials in preparation for that official meeting.  It should just be a simple renewal with no changes, but still it is a very big deal for parents, teachers and many, many other people.  Oh, that reminds me.  It might seem silly and unimportant, but one person that has to go to our IEP is his music teacher.  Just the usual once a week group sing thing.  But she is important too, and being a teacher she is also required, but for us it is a valuable input that does matter.

Anyway, from someone that has been there.  The schools do not take official IEP’s lightly.  It is clear that they see them as something far more legal and binding.  It is hard to qualify that but the feeling is more like going to a court before a judge than a parent teacher conference.

It can be called to officials attention, probably stating with the state education dept.  But, to be honest, schools do not take IEP's lightly.  To end a students help the school would likely legally need an IEP to end additional help.  One time the school psychologist was having surgery and would not be available and we had to sign official papers agreeing that he was excused from the meeting. 

With the knowledge of how serious IEP's are and are taken, I sense something not complete in the OP.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: T-M-T on January 19, 2013, 05:42:05 PM
I hadn't heard that one T, I always figured he was doinking a beautician.


Here's one of the threads I was referring to, Fuzz:

http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=25546.0 (http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=25546.0)

toobad's Randy obsession has been on display a few times on this forum.

Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: The Fuzz on January 19, 2013, 06:08:04 PM
Ahhh....how in the hell did I miss commenting in that thread?  I must have been buried between a big set of.....well, never mind.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: toobad on January 30, 2013, 07:38:48 PM
I would almost believe this, if the original author wasn't a known liar.

Please collegekid you can do better, I have been called much worse by the socialist / communist on this site and you should be very careful. I'm sure being a college kid and all that you know the definition of libel.

I will give you the same option that I gave T-M-T, should I pursue this matter or overlook the rights of this needy child and the family? Would you be willing to step up to the plate and recommend an investigation after reviewing the documented evidence?
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Professor H on January 31, 2013, 07:37:38 AM
Please collegekid you can do better, I have been called much worse by the socialist / communist on this site and you should be very careful. I'm sure being a college kid and all that you know the definition of libel.

I will give you the same option that I gave T-M-T, should I pursue this matter or overlook the rights of this needy child and the family? Would you be willing to step up to the plate and recommend an investigation after reviewing the documented evidence?
To answer this someone would actually have to have access to your "documented evidence"

Since we only have hearsay,  you'll have to rely on the above informational posts as to how the system works.

BTW - if you did have "documented evidence"... and you weren't actually a party to the process, you've likely violated federal law.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Will Sweat on February 04, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
Duck . . .

Thank you for a GREAT post on what an IEP is.  I wish more folks had a good understanding.  I believe you and I are have alluded to our understanding with your "little guy" and "mine". 

Thanks again -

Will
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: toobad on February 04, 2013, 05:14:40 PM
Here's one of the threads I was referring to, Fuzz:

[url]http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=25546.0[/url] ([url]http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=25546.0[/url])

toobad's Randy obsession has been on display a few times on this forum.




T-M-T while you were sleeping, Patriot Voice Radio - Trucker Randy Bishop responds to Senator Randy Richardville part 1.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r48Kkjcksow#)
Get the rest of the details from your buddie.

Now can you please stay on topic.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: toobad on February 04, 2013, 05:16:13 PM
To answer this someone would actually have to have access to your "documented evidence"

Since we only have hearsay,  you'll have to rely on the above informational posts as to how the system works.

BTW - if you did have "documented evidence"... and you weren't actually a party to the process, you've likely violated federal law.

The evidence is there, plenty of it.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: jbs49238 on February 04, 2013, 05:49:01 PM
Please collegekid you can do better, I have been called much worse by the socialist / communist on this site and you should be very careful. I'm sure being a college kid and all that you know the definition of libel.

I will give you the same option that I gave T-M-T, should I pursue this matter or overlook the rights of this needy child and the family? Would you be willing to step up to the plate and recommend an investigation after reviewing the documented evidence?

I would leave it up to the family of the child to stir their own pot.  It could be entirely possible they are not looking for YOUR "help".
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: The Fuzz on February 04, 2013, 06:00:41 PM
T-M-T while you were sleeping, Patriot Voice Radio - Trucker Randy Bishop responds to Senator Randy Richardville part 1.wmv ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r48Kkjcksow#[/url])
Get the rest of the details from your buddie.

Now can you please stay on topic.


That was interesting.....that happened back in the early Spring, what ever became of it?
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: T-M-T on February 04, 2013, 06:24:43 PM
As a reporter, I've had people try to sell me a lot of crazy stuff.

I've talked to folks who really believe the government is listening in on their intermost thoughts through the fillings in their teeth. I've heard all about the United Nations plot to rip children away from their parents for PC, multicultural brainwashing. And there are, of course, the folks who know our president is a Muslim socialist secretly born in Kenya.

But I don't think I've heard anything as disgusting and offensive as what a couple Tea Party miscreants expelled this week. And the most bat-poop crazy thing about it is that media outlets were willing to take their rantings at face value and run with them.

Their names are R. Al Bain and "Trucker" Randy Bishop -- and no, I'm not making that up. They don't like Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville (R-Monroe) very much, which is fine. I've never much cared for Burt Reynolds and his cheese-ball mustache, but I mostly keep that to myself.

However, Bain and Bishop aren't exactly shy and retiring gents. They decided to send several emails to GOP senators demanding for Richardville to step down as leader because they believe he's a terrible person.

Oh, there's some stuff about him not being sufficiently conservative enough on union issues, even though he's ushered dozens of bills that labor has raised holy hell about -- most recently legislation that bans graduate students from unionizing and school districts from collecting union dues.

Richardville was even the first one out of the gate on "Right to Teach" -- a Right to Work bill for teachers. And he's refused to sign a petition for the unions' "Protect Our Jobs" collective bargaining petition, saying it "goes too far."

But Bain and Bishop know that Richardville doesn't deserve to be a member of the Grand Old Party.

"This guy is not a Republican," Bain told MIRS. "I don't care if he's got an 'R' after his name. He's not a Republican."

Now would be a good time to point out the fact that both activists have failed miserably in their own attempts to join the Michigan Senate. In 2010, now-Sen. Howard Walker (R-Traverse City) crushed Bishop by 22 points. And Bain ran against -- you guessed it -- Richardville, who beat him like a drum by a 36-point margin.

"This has nothing to do with sour grapes," Bain insisted.

Right. And Burt Reynolds deserved an Oscar for "The Longest Yard."

Now we get to the truly stomach-churning part. Their main beef with Richardville is very personal. And they're very proud to publicly spread completely unverified rumors -- which they admit -- just to take a guy down.

I won't dignify the excrement these men sent to senators about the majority leader and his family, because I have too much respect for Richardville, his loved ones and the institution of the Senate. I will say that for Bishop and Bain to claim to extol "family values," they sure have a funny way of showing it with their vile rhetoric.

One wonders if such people might slink back into the primordial ooze from which they were spawned.

I would also point out that I have a healthy respect for the law in regards to slander and libel provisions. Sadly, these Tea Partiers who profess to love the Constitution and rule of law more than life itself don't seem to grasp basic legal concepts.

And a certain Charlevoix radio station, WKMT-1270, apparently is blissfully unaware of legal standards, as well. Host Greg Marshall gave Bishop a forum on Wednesday afternoon to let his freak flag fly for more than an hour. Bain also joined in the fun.

In between belching out unsubstantiated rumors against Richardville, the Tea Partiers dragged my publication, MIRS, into the mud by insisting we were writing a story based on his hallucinations. We weren't, haven't and won't be doing so. My boss, Kyle Melinn, got on the air to inform the radio station of that fact.

But at least one blog had already taken the story and run with it. And as I warn my 9-year-old daughter who asked me if she could open a Facebook account, once you post something on the Internets, it's there forever. (Which is why my answer was a resounding "no").

This incident makes me weep for my profession, which I love dearly, because this sort of bile has no place in real journalism. And unfortunately, in an era of unlimited information, which can be wondrous, it also means that lies and innuendo have new forums to fester.

And it also makes me cringe about the politics of personal destruction, which have increasingly become the norm.

"This is why good people don't want to run for office anymore," Richardville told me sadly on Wednesday.

I'd like to hope that these Tea Partiers are the exception and not the rule. But last year, Dennis Moore of the Willow Run Tea Party told activists to "encourage" Sen. Judy Emmons (R-Sheridan) to vote against Gov. Rick Snyder's New International Trade Crossing (NITC) -- or inform her that she'd face a primary. These guys act like low-grade mafiosos.

I'd also like to think that politicians wouldn't spend thousands on opposition research to unearth (or manufacture) the personal failings of their opponents. I'd like to think that no one would try to exploit the power of their office to go after staffers of the opposing party for no good reason.

If some in Lansing would take away that message from this unsavory episode, that would give me some hope. Unfortunately, I've spent enough time in politics to not get my hopes up too high.

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/03/post_73.html (http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/03/post_73.html)
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Professor H on February 05, 2013, 01:19:55 PM
The evidence is there, plenty of it.
A claim that cannot be proven either way...

Unless you are an immediate family member, you are overstepping your boundaries.  There are State and Federal Laws protecting the privacy of Students and educational records in educational and special educational areas.

There are exceptions in the IDEA laws that allow what may have happened, and since it is a private matter with family and the schools - they will have been given that information and the appeals process if it actually applied.

As you claim they moved schools or at least no longer attend Jefferson - you can snoop on them and see if their "new" school does anything different...
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Frenchfry on February 06, 2013, 01:46:52 PM
I would leave it up to the family of the child to stir their own pot.  It could be entirely possible they are not looking for YOUR "help".
A claim that cannot be proven either way...

Unless you are an immediate family member, you are overstepping your boundaries.  There are State and Federal Laws protecting the privacy of Students and educational records in educational and special educational areas.

There are exceptions in the IDEA laws that allow what may have happened, and since it is a private matter with family and the schools - they will have been given that information and the appeals process if it actually applied.

As you claim they moved schools or at least no longer attend Jefferson - you can snoop on them and see if their "new" school does anything different...

While you two are trying to silence the OP...neither of you are members of the community he is trying to inform so stick a sock in it.

Admittedly I'm not a fan of "toobad" but he has every right to post on this forum as everybody else does.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: jbs49238 on February 06, 2013, 09:23:58 PM
I didn't tell him not to post or put a sock in it so you can do that in turn.  I just said I would let the family take care of their own matters or seek him out for assistance (which maybe they have and he is just being coy about it).  Anyhoo it seems as if it is a State of Michigan issue that is playing out in a Monroe County district, I definately reside in the State of Michigan, and have just as much right to post whatever I wish as he does or you for that matter.  So find that sock and keep it in the family.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Professor H on February 07, 2013, 08:46:09 AM
While you two are trying to silence the OP...neither of you are members of the community he is trying to inform so stick a sock in it.

Admittedly I'm not a fan of "toobad" but he has every right to post on this forum as everybody else does.
While my posts were on topic and informational, what is your's?

If you see someone walking into a legal issue you might want to caution them...
I thought you of all people would appreciate that  8*

He claimed to have knowledge of an issue
was given direction or an overview of the area to review/research on his own
and finally educated on the privacy laws in education -

What was your advice to him?   or were you just trolling  ;)
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Frenchfry on February 07, 2013, 10:18:27 AM
While my posts were on topic and informational, what is your's?

If you see someone walking into a legal issue you might want to caution them...
I thought you of all people would appreciate that  8*

He claimed to have knowledge of an issue
was given direction or an overview of the area to review/research on his own
and finally educated on the privacy laws in education -

What was your advice to him?   or were you just trolling  ;)
The OP created this topic over concern about the possible violation of handicapped students rights in the community where I reside and since you're not a member of the community in question...I have to assume you're trying to silence him as some sort of personal hate Vendetta...which really is your M.O.

But please feel free to continue with more of your pointless contributions since you've paid the same membership fees into this public forum as the rest of us.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Professor H on February 07, 2013, 01:14:01 PM



The OP created this topic over concern about the possible violation of handicapped students rights in the community where I reside and since you're not a member of the community in question...I have to assume you're trying to silence him as some sort of personal hate Vendetta...which really is your M.O.

But please feel free to continue with more of your pointless contributions since you've paid the same membership fees into this public forum as the rest of us.

Oh,
You're waving the Frenchtown Flag now while you troll...

If you actually had something to add to the topic - you would have by now.
Which I did if you bothered to read...  8*

My first post: Link to State site for his reference
Here's Michigan's requirements and the forms.
It would fall to the ISD for some form of complaint as they oversee special education in the county.

[url]http://www.michigan.gov/mde/0,1607,7-140-6530_6598-236252--,00.html[/url] ([url]http://www.michigan.gov/mde/0,1607,7-140-6530_6598-236252--,00.html[/url])


My reply to the claim that toobad had "documented" evidence...
To answer this someone would actually have to have access to your "documented evidence"

Since we only have hearsay,  you'll have to rely on the above informational posts as to how the system works.

BTW - if you did have "documented evidence"... and you weren't actually a party to the process, you've likely violated federal law.


Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: pam on February 07, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
Wow...I had read this post when it was originally posted, but I didn't think it'd turn into a war of words. IMO, this sounds like a personal matter, an isolated incident between a family and an administrator. I don't think that I would want anyone advocating on behalf of our family unless I gave my explicit consent (which has yet to happen since I believe that a child's best advocate is a parent). If there was a violation of the student's rights, there are two choices...pursue it or move on. It sounds like the family has moved on, so I don't quite understand the purpose of this thread. Aside from the title being misleading (I first assumed that it meant that multiple students IEPs were being cancelled), it doesn't seem like there's an end-game here.

Side note, I'm in the Jefferson district and I can honestly say that I don't think that a principle has ever participated in scheduling or contributing to an IEP. Usually it's just the teacher, therapists, and ISD reps.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: jbs49238 on February 07, 2013, 04:24:12 PM
The OP created this topic over concern about the possible violation of handicapped students rights in the community where I reside and since you're not a member of the community in question...I have to assume you're trying to silence him as some sort of personal hate Vendetta...which really is your M.O.

But please feel free to continue with more of your pointless contributions since you've paid the same membership fees into this public forum as the rest of us.

I thikn both Prof H and I live in Michigan... I could be wrong.

Your only intent with your post was to stir it up and you got sat down for it.  Yet you are the one who tries to claim "bullied" which is laughable since, again here, you clearly were the one trying to get folks into the name calling business.

Just because you live in the shadow of the school doesn't give you more access to the discussion... Prop A made discussions about public schools a State issue.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Frenchfry on February 10, 2013, 12:00:45 PM
I thikn both Prof H and I live in Michigan... I could be wrong.

Your only intent with your post was to stir it up and you got sat down for it.  Yet you are the one who tries to claim "bullied" which is laughable since, again here, you clearly were the one trying to get folks into the name calling business.

Just because you live in the shadow of the school doesn't give you more access to the discussion... Prop A made discussions about public schools a State issue.
You're completely delusional.
Nobody "got sat down" and nothing posted would justify bullying or name calling.
If you see someone walking into a legal issue you might want to caution them...

He claimed to have knowledge of an issue
was given direction or an overview of the area to review/research on his own
and finally educated on the privacy laws in education -
Where is it that someone violated the privacy of someone?
You guys are seeing things that simply doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: jbs49238 on February 12, 2013, 01:16:44 AM
You're completely delusional.
Nobody "got sat down" and nothing posted would justify bullying or name calling.

Yes delusional is a term of endearment.  Thank you for proving my point and missing on the meat of the discussion all within the same two line post.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Professor H on February 12, 2013, 10:54:54 AM
Where is it that someone violated the privacy of someone?
You guys are seeing things that simply doesn't exist.
I merely pointed out that if toobad wasn't a family member, yet claimed to have "documents" for others to review...
Would you be willing to step up to the plate and recommend an investigation after reviewing the documented evidence?
" - it could be a violation of federal laws.


Not hearing anything further...
I'm guessing they took heed of the warning - or the issue really wasn't one in the first place.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Frenchfry on February 12, 2013, 01:07:57 PM
I merely pointed out that if toobad wasn't a family member, yet claimed to have "documents" for others to review..." - it could be a violation of federal laws.


Not hearing anything further...
I'm guessing they took heed of the warning - or the issue really wasn't one in the first place.
So now law is your area of expertise?

Look, you and your other tag-teaming member fabricated issues that simply doesn't exist anywhere but in your tin-foil covered minds.

For some reason, you two seem to be trying to get the OP to reveal his association....and to that I say...TROLL MUCH?
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Professor H on February 12, 2013, 07:27:23 PM
So now law is your area of expertise?

Look, you and your other tag-teaming member fabricated issues that simply doesn't exist anywhere but in your tin-foil covered minds.

For some reason, you two seem to be trying to get the OP to reveal his association....and to that I say...TROLL MUCH?
I know the good side of the law - can't help it if you're experiences are different.
I was trying to keep someone from going afoul...   especially after that person was claiming to know the libel laws...

Speaking of Trolls...
JBS and I contributed to the topic at hand - please cite your contribution...   8*

Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: jbs49238 on February 14, 2013, 07:26:21 AM
Well since Young Turks have yet to cover the story we will get nothing but useless troll drivel from him...  Oh wait... then too!

What issues did WE "fabricate", what did we demand he "reveal"?  Critical thinking and reading skills are clearly not your strong suit!  Isn't fabricate a pretty big word to use outside of a copy/paste?

You sure are putting alot of effort into trying to pick what will be yet another losing battle that ends just like all the others... rehashed zingers, and you claiming you are being bullied. 

Again I will ask... do you have anything to actually contribute to the topic or is your focus squarely on your hatred of two of the posters within it?
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: marilyn.monroe on February 14, 2013, 07:57:24 AM
I'm confused. :)
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: ducksoup on February 14, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
I don’t mean to interrupt all the hating and insult tossing.

I did little guys pre IEP meetings and a parent teacher conference too (seems I am the one to do that anymore) and the official IEP.  Everyone was very professional and responsible.  Sometimes I wonder why the supervisor of the ISD or some others need to be there but that is up to them.  What I can say is that every single one of them showed how important it was what they were doing.  As I said before, an IEP is an important tool and they do not take them lightly.  I do commend the whole team that worked with us on their professional and complete cooperation.

I did ask about IEP’s on how to end them.  One way is that an IEP must be renewed every year and if a new one is not put in place it becomes not having one.  The other is an IEP can end during the time of an IEP by making a new one saying it is ending.  Also, what is common is amendments to the IEP to adjust what is going on.  I took it that amendments are common.

What I can say is parts of an IEP can be very trying.  When we saw that little guy needed an aide to help regulate him during school it was fought and hard.  I understand why, it is a cost.  It took us nearly a year of very stressful negotiations to get him one.  This IEP proved that the decision was very correct.  The renewal didn’t even question that he still needed one.  However, I did put in a change to try to wean him from the need, if possible, by having the aide move away and get him to try to do on his own more.  A great deal was more on how to teach or do and getting us up to speed on how we can follow that same thing at home.   One was to get him to use more complete sentences.

The parent teacher conference was, in short, stunning.  He has made some substantial gains.  He was reading for the teacher which was beyond what I can get him to do.  (I have a problem there.  He will read for women, but not me)  He is doing well with math and further along than I was aware.  Some things might seem small to others but are huge for us.  But, it was a very good conference and left me feeling happy with his improvement.

One cute thing.  He has a pair of reading books that are lower level but that they use as a reward for more difficult reading.  They are exactly the same except one is “Mom is ____” and “Dad is ____.”   Each page is “Mom is walking” or “Mom is talking on the phone” and the corresponding same page for “dad” but what is cute is he refuses to read it as “dad” and says “papa” instead.  It isn’t that he doesn’t know the difference between the words Dad and Papa, just that he puts me as his father figure which is kind of flattering.  The teachers all think it is cute too.


Now you can return to your bash each other because it is more fun than talking.....
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: sammy on February 14, 2013, 11:53:27 AM
Well, at least you only insulted at the beginning and at the end!Bravo!
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: ducksoup on February 14, 2013, 12:05:09 PM
Well, at least you only insulted at the beginning and at the end!Bravo!
Oh they WEREN'T insulting each other.  well, gosh then you are right to post a polite reminder that all that my post contained was an insult at the beginning and at the end and there was no content.  Thanks for showing so well why MT is a waste.  That sir WAS intended.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: sammy on February 14, 2013, 12:36:01 PM
And where was it that I said they weren't insulting each other?Please.
Title: Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
Post by: Professor H on February 14, 2013, 11:36:46 PM
Duck - that was good news to hear, progress and all.

I appreciate hearing about all you do - and how you are making a difference in his life!