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Title: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: alicat on July 31, 2007, 05:46:36 PM
What do you think about getting a woman in office?  Would things change for the better?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on July 31, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
did it change for the better for the state of michigan??

Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Greg Chamberlain on July 31, 2007, 06:08:04 PM
LOL nosh.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Crysti on July 31, 2007, 06:52:00 PM
Guys...you're gonna get the feminists all riled up! LOL. I don't think that simply being a woman can change anything for the better, it takes more than that. So, my answer would be "no" probably will not make a difference locally, statewide of nationally (i.e. Hillary).

I can't figure out how Granholm was elected for a second term. At election time, the swirling sounds of our state being flushed down the toilet were very predominant and the echoes of Michigan now being referred to as "Michissippi" by the national media is disturbing.

Locally though, I don't think we want to see any "reruns" either. Reruns are usually boring and it is easy to find out what the outcome will be the second time around!  :P
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on July 31, 2007, 07:41:57 PM
took the words right out of my mouth crysti!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: alicat on July 31, 2007, 08:18:32 PM
Got some members of the "good ole' boys club" around here.  Is that right?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on July 31, 2007, 08:30:24 PM
you got it alley feline!!  :o
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: ladyjane on July 31, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
What do you think about getting a woman in office?  Would things change for the better?


Do you think she would have been smart enough to vote "No" on a free parking pass for J.P. at the first meeting it was suggested.  ;D

Does anybody know if Burkett spoke against it at the first meeting?

Did the Mayor speak against it at the first meeting? I know he tabled it, but was that because he knew it was wrong or he wanted to make it look good. If he was against it why wouldn't he say so(maybe he did) or why wouldn't he have a vote(maybe he knew some council members were for it).  I would just like to know.

We will see what happens at Mondays meeting. McIntyre and Iocoangeli are  probably waiting for a "yes" vote by both those guys.  ;D

 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Mayonnaise on July 31, 2007, 08:34:47 PM
Since I am ineligible to vote for Mayor because I live in the Township and not in the city.
I would honestly have to say I hope the person that is elected could do more good for the City of Monroe.

Personally, I would like to have a Mayor that you could actually pronounce their last name without difficulty.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on July 31, 2007, 08:42:32 PM
well i wont be voting for big billy b!!

i hate to rake leaves and put them in a bag...does that tell you who i will vote for again? lol
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Ms Sporty on July 31, 2007, 09:06:02 PM
What do you think about getting a woman in office?  Would things change for the better?


I think the Mayors position is about taking care of the citizens and providing jobs.

Do you think a woman would have taken away the leaf pick-up?

Do you think a woman would have taken away jobs? I am talking the IKO plant. That location was a paper plant for years and it always had a smell. It was there before most of those houses and definitely there when Compora moved in. A lot of Monroe people, parents, grandparents, neighbors, and relatives worked at those paper plants in the city and made a good living. A lot of their kids and grandkids were able to go to college and make good livings. Al, John, or Bill decided to deprive current families of those opportunities. Some of Al's, John's, or Bill's family, friends, or relatives probably worked at those paper plants.

We will find out where the candidates stand on the issues and decide.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Crysti on July 31, 2007, 09:18:16 PM
I agree with Ms Sporty about the IKO situation. Monroe has always been a "paper" city (that's really all there was in the early years is paper mills). Most industrial factories are smelly and yes, people had to know that when they built or bought property near the plant. It didn't just get smelly over the last few years.

A mayor with a mind for business and growth (real growth) not more half vacant strip malls. Companies that need good people (preferably a lot of them) working.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: alicat on July 31, 2007, 10:10:35 PM
Thank you BullCans.  This is the most poignant reply yet.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Ms Sporty on August 01, 2007, 12:30:08 AM
Bullcans,

Clear something up for me, because I may have the wrong information. Before I start, I would never vote for a mayor on one issue or the leaf issue alone. From what I understand the leaf pick-up never really cost the city more. The city and DPS has a yearly budget and funds are allocated to different projects. The DPS workers make a certain yearly amount. They never actually got paid overtime for leaf removal. Funds were just allocated from one account to another. The dept. head would say it cost such and such dollars, when actually those guys would have been paid anyways, just allocated to a different account. I might not of said it right, but you get the point.

Another thing, do you know how Compora was able to talk all those mayoral candidates into closing a plant.The paper plants operated since the 1900's and the smell was just as bad. They sure did support a lot of people. She lived in that neighborhood when the paper plant was running. The smell was the same. Where would most of the families in Monroe be, if not for the paper plants. Would they have been in favor of closing them too, because of the smell?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Semper Fi on August 01, 2007, 01:05:59 AM
What do you think about getting a woman in office?  Would things change for the better?


If what Bullcans is saying is that we need more jobs and less taxes, then I totally agree with Bullcans.

I would also like to ask the three male candidates why they voted to close the IKO plant. I lived three blocks from IKO and I also worked at the old paper plant when I was younger in the same building. The smell was the same. Residents just forgot about the smell because the building had been vacant for a while. They complained about the old paper plant too because I lived there. The plant was there first and they knew that. If that old paper plant was still in operation, there is no way the council would have closed it down.

I am going to sit back and see what Ms. McIntyre has to say about this issue, jobs, and taxes. If I like what I hear from her I will vote for her. If not, we'll see.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: old timer on August 01, 2007, 01:33:15 PM
I would like to see some more comments about the candidates running for Mayor. Can you hear me out there?

Also, if anyone goes to the council meeting Monday, can you let us know about the parking pass vote for J.P.? I would like to know just in case I need to get prepared for another community uprising.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 01, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
I would like to see some more comments about the candidates running for Mayor. Can you hear me out there?

Also, if anyone goes to the council meeting Monday, can you let us know about the parking pass vote for J.P.? I would like to know just in case I need to get prepared for another community uprising.

Thank You.


I would encourage ANYONE ( especially the ones that have a vested interest of where our tax dollars go relating to services ) to attend the next meeting and all subsequent meetings of your local government where your attendance and voice may make a difference!!!
 
As for the best next mayor of our city, I will merely state there will be other choices then the MEN reported for every elected office and my only requirement of their qualifications lies in their ability to read and understand.

In particular READ and Understand the un-bias $77,000 Operational Assessment that reveals more then most of us even suspected about being over staffed , over funded and the inefficient and personal pading of salary,wages and benefits that has gone on for years at the demise of our infrastructure and resident services.

You can gain access to this study by going to the city of Monroe web site , going to City Government and scroll to : City -Wide Operational Assessment.

Regardless of the gender of the mayor or the council , this UN-BIAS paid by tax dollar study is like a doctor's prescription to better health.If we choose to ignore major portions of the remedy given because they are to painful or are not politically correct or wish to delay the inevitable ---don't worry about turning out the lights and living in an adjoining township ( that's where you will find most of the city employees ) because a city that has died has no need for electricity.
If you do as I suggest and investigate the results of the operational study, ask yourself what you would do if you were the C.E.O. of a business called the City of Monroe with the results you were faced???
 
 Be Informed --Be Involved
  Expect Responsibility  & Results
  J. Pat Mc Elligott   
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Ms Sporty on August 01, 2007, 08:50:09 PM
I know it would be a pay decrease for him. But how about Randy Richardville?  ;D
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: old timer on August 01, 2007, 10:17:57 PM
How about Brian Beneteau for Mayor?

He is the first city official or mayor candidate to speak on this forum. I know the others have to be reading this forum. They are suppose to be working with the citizens. How about a little feedback once in a while. I am not talking debates. Just a little respectful information as Mr. Beneteau has posted.

I do not personally know Mr. Beneteau, but I do respect him for responding.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on August 02, 2007, 06:36:50 PM
how about one that ends with an A?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Tonya on August 02, 2007, 08:56:37 PM
...and sometimes Y. Really, I want to know Y. ;D
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Hogwild on August 03, 2007, 01:52:25 AM
Bullcan

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Mr. Cappuccilli and Mr. Burkett have made tough decisions to cut the overweight city staff, in an effort to use taxpayer money in a more productive way, such as fixing streets and empty water hydrants. I hope they follow through with the recommended cuts after spending the money on the study. BTW, who really would re-elect a mayor simply because they are going to get their leaves picked up. After all, you are going to pay extra for it.

Where have you been living for the past 14 years, under a rock.  Mr. Cappuccilli (14 years) and Mr Burkett (8 years) on council, didn’t have anything to do with the overweight city staff,  Guess Mr Iacoangeli hired all the overweight staff in his 2 years in office?  Be honest, Mr Cappuccilli and Mr Burkett are the same guys who hired an Assistant to the City Manager then last year made him the Assistant City Manager (luxury according to study).  The same guys who let Ms. Fales as City Attorney go and outsourced the same work for larger dollars,  The same guys who made the Assistant City Attorney the City Attorney (luxury) while at the same time keeping the private paid law firm. 

Who’s watch did the streets become in such bad shape during the past 14 years?  Oh that’s right they all crumbled simultaneously during Iacoangeli’s 2 years in office.  How about the hydrants, bet you didn’t know the water and fire departments were instructed NOT to flush hydrants because it stirred up sediment and residence started to complain.  Never mind I know that order probably came during Iacoangeli’s time in office, accelerated build up is scientifically possible right?

About the only thing accurate in your post is your username, because with all the BULL we certainly have enough to fill a CAN!!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: zard0z on August 03, 2007, 08:19:30 AM
Guys...you're gonna get the feminists all riled up! LOL. I don't think that simply being a woman can change anything for the better, it takes more than that. So, my answer would be "no" probably will not make a difference locally, statewide of nationally (i.e. Hillary).

I can't figure out how Granholm was elected for a second term. At election time, the swirling sounds of our state being flushed down the toilet were very predominant and the echoes of Michigan now being referred to as "Michissippi" by the national media is disturbing.

Locally though, I don't think we want to see any "reruns" either. Reruns are usually boring and it is easy to find out what the outcome will be the second time around!  :P

I'm glad you said that and not me ;)

Honestly I'll take anyone who can do the job right and who can think outside of their own pocket...We definitely need change for the better though...
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: monroemuskrat on August 03, 2007, 08:29:18 AM
Local politics are like state and national.  Getting elected is not about the most qualified candidate, it is about the amount of money you have and who you know.  In the City of Monroe, if you have the support of the Senior Citizens and the IHM Sisters, you will surely get elected.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: monroemuskrat on August 03, 2007, 10:42:56 AM
The IHM is close to Cappucilli's heart.  They have always supported him, how do you think they got their "Prairie" approved.  Everyone else has to cut their grass on the front of their property, but not the nuns.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: utility slug on August 03, 2007, 11:49:36 AM
I think the 'prairie areas' are really 'save-the-nuns-maintenance-costs' areas.   ::)
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Hogwild on August 03, 2007, 04:41:48 PM
Bullcan states:

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The comment about cutting overweight city staff is true. Cappuccilli and Burkett are making the tough cuts, and NOW they are necessary, as they were two, three, four years ago.

What tough cuts have they made?  Not replacing 3 firemen who have retired?  What good has that done they have to pay overtime everyday.  Name me some other positions they have actually CUT.  In my mind making a tough cut isn’t about not replacing someone who retired.  To me a tough CUT is the type Mignano made when he had to look the employees and the families in the eye when he dropped the axe. 

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He blew money on beautification projects and got the city further in debt. Wonder which parks he will beautify if he gets back in?

Have you ever asked yourself how the city got in the RED?  How long has the infamous Monroe Sports Complex been around, about seven years maybe?  Taxpayers have been supplementing that albatross to the tune of what about $400,000.00 per year or $2.8 million so far.  How much did Iacoangeli spend beautify some parks less than $200,000.00 total? You criticize Iacoangeli for blowing money on beautification of parks, I guess the kids who live outside of the St. Mary’s area don’t deserve nice things as well, right?  Did anyone ever tell you that investing a dollar in a child today has the potential of saving dollars in the future.  “Society gains an estimated $500,000 in tax revenue and avoided social costs for every child who is saved from becoming a criminal justice statistic.” Anton R.Waldon, Jr., "Unhealthy Choice: Prisons Over Schools in New York State,"  So why not invest in some nice parks give the kids something to do and maybe, just maybe we can reduce the County’s support to the juvenile justice system.  If I’m not mistaken that cost is quickly approaching a million dollars a year.  A cost everyone in the County shares.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Hogwild on August 03, 2007, 05:33:53 PM
Bullcan here you go again enough BULL to fill a CAN.  Can’t play nice, want to take your ball and bat and go home?  Well here is some more!

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He is a recipe for disaster if taxpayers want streets fixed, hydrants fixed, and stable taxes. That's no bull.

According to the City of Monroe Street Program History 1997-2006 by Pat Lewis that can be found on the City of Monroe Website.  During 2004 – 2005 Iacoangeli spent $2,765,916.00 or $1,382,958.00 per year on road repair.  During Cappuccilli, Burkett tenure they spent $2,867,912.00 for 5 years or $573,582.00 per year fixing your roads.  So he not only spent money beautifying parks he spent money FIXING UP THE ROADS.  It gets easier to cast shadows on those running for public office but given some research the facts always prevail.  So if you want to lend creditability to any of your statements spend some time and do some fact finding. 
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Why bring up
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Should we blame Iacoangeli for giving away the farm to the firemen in that famous contract "he" settled?
  Did he really “give it away” provide some proof, people like me want to see the facts and figures just throwing out statements like that just proves your biased and opinionated.  What about Burkett, Edwards, Wetsel, Compora, Guyor, and Sabo weren’t they part of “giving away the farm to the firemen” as well?  Isn't it true he's only one vote how many people on council voted in support to approve that contract?

Okay keep your cool, don't let any veins pop and give all of us some more Rhetorical BULL, you CAN do that right?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Semper Fi on August 03, 2007, 05:45:02 PM
Hogwild,

Keep sending in the information. I like to hear all the  information before voting. Then we will have to decide what is fact and what is bull.  ;D

I do think mistakes were made on the ice arena and the closing of the IKO plant.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Heaven can Wait on August 03, 2007, 05:53:01 PM
Bullcan

I have been following some threads and never had a reason to get involved but Bullcan your making yourself look bad.  You have some pretty good thoughts but slamming firemen and stating
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Is it overtime to sleep and get paid?
is really a cheap shot.  Those men and women are away from their families and more importantly saying they get paid to sleep is an understatement, their paid to respond within a couple of minutes if you, I or anyone in our community needs help.  Lighten up, attacking firemen in our community isn’t the way.  If hogwild provides some faulty information direct your anger towards hogwild not to the men and women who protect our community.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Not a Good Day on August 03, 2007, 06:19:48 PM
Can someone help me out here.  Bullcan mentioned that Iacoangeli blew money on beautification projects and got the city further in debt, how much debt are we talking?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: caspar on August 03, 2007, 06:36:43 PM
Can't really decypher who Bullcans is for. Kind of have an idea who Bullcans is against. Let me talk this out.

Definitely against Iacoangeli.

Doesn't want a mayor whose name ends in a vowel. Thats a against for Cappuccilli.

Has a lot of good things to say about Burkett. ??? That could be his/her candidate.

Nothing bad or good about McIntyre. That could be his/her candidate.

No other candidate names mentioned. That means it probably is Burkett or McIntyre.

Their choice has to be Burkett or McIntyre. How did I do?

Bullcans, so you do not lose credibility, you need to bring your "A" game to this forum, do your research,  bring facts,  and not spew biased opinions as fact. That firemen comment was way out of left field and plain ignorant.

A couple of personal observations:
From the last two councils, Wetzel and Sabo seemed to be the wisest two councilpersons and had no connections to the good old boys network.

Of the four current candidates. one is a good old boy, one is a wanna be good old boy, one made some of the good old boys mad, and the last one is in one those three categories.

I think this election will be our most hotly contested mayoral race in a long time. 






Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 03, 2007, 06:50:14 PM
Hogwild,

Keep sending in the information. I like to hear all the  information before voting. Then we will have to decide what is fact and what is bull.  ;D

I do think mistakes were made on the ice arena and the closing of the IKO plant.


As I previously stated , IF YOU WANT FACTS instead of gossip regarding the status and cure of the City of Monroe : Go to their web site and really study the results of the Operational Assessment.

 I attended a meeting recently that sadly informed that IF we follow ALL of the measures regarding the cure to our financial problems --we will still be well over a million short of being within budget.

If you were the head of a company with the kind of very revealing "sleeping at the switch" problems of lack of leadership and management we have had for decades--you would probably start cleaning house.

The city spends 85 cents or better of every dollar for wages and benefits to their employees---this must be changed!!

For the rest of us to expect to live in a city that spends so little of their remaining tax dollars for maintenance of our infrastructure and capital improvements and think that our streets and forward progress of the city will improve is truly a" pipe dream".

When a nest has been feathered without question during the numerous years of "milk and honey days" it is rather discomforting to remove soft cushy excess feathers from the nest---but that is the ultimate cure. We are over staffed and under funded--you tell me an alternative??The private sector where most of us reside are faced with job loss,down sizing, reduction in wages and benefits, etc. Do we feel the public sector should be exempt from the same adjustments the rest of us are making???

Leadership requires making tough decisions during tough times and those decisions must be shared by the city of Monroe elected officials, department heads ,union leadership and employees if we are to remedy a problem that is not one individuals fault but has culminated over a period of years.

We can point an accusing finger or we can research the initial remedy ( Operational Assessment ) and take the doctor's prescription for cure instead of what I am seeing , which is ,delaying radical city saving surgery for a later date and hope the life threatening illness goes away.

It is no mistake that the city of Monroe has a disproportionate number of houses and property for sale or vacate as opposed to the rest of the county : The direct result of the way people view property taxes paid as opposed to services received and quality of life and future.

The ones who will scream the loudest are the city of Monroe employees who receive above average and more in the way of salary, wages and benefits---but when they are complaining about having to take the same adjustments all of us in the private sector are already doing---ask them where they live ( for you see most of them have elected to live OUTSIDE the city and are not helping to fund their positions.

I wish we had another way and many of the employees are personal acquaintances that I like --but we are either in this together to resolve as quickly and even handed relating to sacrafice  or it becomes a free for all with no winners and everone losing.
J. Pat Mc Elligott  
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 03, 2007, 07:16:58 PM
Face it all......have you ever watched this group on TV>>>It's the closest thing to a pathetic reality show.  I think the citizens should be embarassed for this entire council and the entire fiasco of the scrap yard prooved it. 

Dorthy should go....she should be replaced with someone in her precinct with better comprehension skills to cast an accurate vote, or not have to have it explained to her multiple times.  I saw many more qualified individuals speak up at the rezoning ordeal out of her precinct considerably more qualified.  That precinct deserves better representation!

Al and Bill......no doubt good ole boys!  I wish Al good luck in his personal battle, but it's time to hang it up.  Replace Al with Bill.....not certain of the value there.....sorry.

Linda....keep listening to John.....its so so obvious!

Brian.....my I suggest a public speaking class?  Your intentions may be good, but it's difficult to bear with your statements that I lose intrest and wait for someone to speak up and fill in for you.

Jon....what were you thinking with the pass.  Unbelievable!  My guess is that the ole head took some impacts at Western and during Golden Gloves that has come back to haunt you.

Ed.....you appear to be the highest level of intelligence with a business and accounting background.  Hope you can stay!

You guys should consider Mark Worrell in some sort of advisory capacity....he appears to me to be one of the few in town who understands how to deal with the state, and demonstrates fiscal responsibility that I don't think the rest of the crew up there in those leather seats are comprehending.

This city needs qualified leadership.....too bad we just can't get the right people to run. 

My mayor selection......John is the most qualified by his professional experience.  If this town votes in Bill or Al over John,,,,,then I thank you for the continued entertainment on public television.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Not a Good Day on August 03, 2007, 09:03:43 PM
I have to say I am some what confused, wouldn’t be the first time and certainly won’t be the last.  Sullivan (J. Pat McElligott) mentioned he attended a meeting that basically said if the city followed the plan they would still be a million short of budget.  I remember when I reviewed the plan it said if the recommendations were followed the General Fund would save $1.4 million yearly.  It continued on to say the estimated budget deficit for 207-08 was estimated at $1.5 million.  My math says that if we follow the plan cut expenses by $1.4 million, we would be short $100,000.  Where does the $1 million come into play?

Thanks
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 03, 2007, 09:43:00 PM
With declining revenue projections it shouldn't be a shock that the city deficiet would grow accordingly.

Saw a recent clip in the Detroit news reguarding city mergers......now a forward thinking town our size with the Township and Frenchtown surely would realize there could be significant economies of scale along with lower overhead/administrative costs by a consolidation.

I've only been here 10 years or so, but I'm sure there are some really silly reasons driven by tradition that would be compromised that a select, but powerful few would never let happen.  What a shame....that's where the biggest bang for the buck and local economy lies!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Hogwild on August 03, 2007, 10:34:50 PM
Bullcan

You started off with what I thought were some thought provoking question regarding work hours.  You progressed to ask the difficult questions regarding stations and the dreaded volunteer question.  But alas you slipped again. 

Your thoughts for Mayor are just that your thoughts, but what makes you think John has money handling problems?  My gosh have you ever taken the time to put forth the slightest bit of effort looking for facts before blindly stating something.  In the City of Monroe’s Comprehensive Annual Fiscal Report for the year ended June 30, 2005 it clearly states “Fund balance for the General Fund increased $210,341 to $3,207,222.  Of the increase, $106,016 was related to budgeted funds that were not expended, but were encumbered.  Those funds transfer to the 2006 fiscal year as budgeted expenditures, making the net increase in fund balance available for appropriation $104,325.  This was done at the same time state-shared revenue was reduced by $58,000."  I would like to tell you to go to the City website where I obtained it but it's no longer available, of course either is the one for 2006 or 2007, does that tell you anything?  While it may not be readily available I sure the document is either at the library or the city clerk has it.

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but Al has served his time and John, even though he has good ideas, he has money handling problems and lacks people skills, similar to a dictator.

As for his dictator like people skills,  it appeared John was intolerant of a certain council woman, nothing unlike the treatment a current council woman receives today.  And maybe he had his differences with some of the staff, I don’t know this for fact and am only basing this on your comments.  The only thing I know for sure was the way he treated constituents when they appeared on TV at council meetings, and it didn’t appear it was with an iron hand.  He appeared interested while they were speaking, not making hand gestures, holding head in hands, reading something on the dais, or generally looking as if he should be doing something other than listening to a certain landlord again.  So what rational are you using saying John lacks people skills, similar to a dictator?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Paula Wethington on August 04, 2007, 08:02:14 AM
bullcans asks <<Is it possible to have a smaller number of firemen on duty and utilize some sort of volunteers as backup, if and when a major fire breaks out?>>

I don't cover city hall, and I've only seen a couple of council meetings in person or on the television. So I have no helpful background or experience on the Monroe mayor's race, city budget or the municipal staffing needs.

But I do have a pretty good feel for the state of non-profits and volunteer groups in Monroe County, because that's my reporting beat on Community Page. I think detailed research into the potential volunteer pool and its availability should be done by any group or agency that is considers shifting necessary services, no matter the schedule or number of occasions, away from paid staff to volunteer staff; or for any group that is starting up and will rely on volunteers to help provide its services.

The reason: it can be really difficult to recruit and retain enough volunteers to run a charity, mission or non-profit organization.

The MEN, as a public service in conjunction with the United Way, runs an entire page of volunteer requests from non-profit groups once a month. It's called the Helping Hands section. We also list an occasional "volunteers wanted" announcement on Community Page for other requests. For example, this week's Monroe Kiwanis Club report mentioned they are still trying to fill volunteer spots for a fundraiser event that is taking place Aug. 19.

There are other groups that fill key spots by word of mouth or formal recruiting campaigns .... and / or put way too much responsibility on certain people to keep the organization going.

Think about it:

Obviously, some of the local non-profits are quite active and quite successful. One-time events such as auctions and dinners often get positive response from potential volunteers who need or prefer short-term assignments. And news events often inspire people to contribute one cause or the other - examples from recent years include the local reaction to the events of Sept. 11, 2001 and Hurricane Katrina.

But the question remains for any community leader or prospective volunteer: how will you locate, recruit and retain enough volunteers to meet your goals and mission?

Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Hogwild on August 04, 2007, 10:05:26 AM
Bullcan, good morning

Take some responsibility before making accusations that’s all I am asking.  For you to say

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Does this figure take into account every financial aspect of the city, or are you just hiding the real money situation?

You are the one making the derogatory statements with no facts to back them up and now you want to accuse me of hiding the “real money situation”.  All I simply did was answer your concern and proved it through the financial report. 

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There were other funds depleted as well, but I'm not exactly sure which, maybe vehicles and equipment? 

According to the financial report the Stores and Equipment fund had a total net asset of $1,448,572, so obviously this fund was no where near depleted.

I am not an accountant or any type of finance person, all I can tell give you are the figures presented in the financial report.  The General Fund balance was reported as $3,207,222 and the Other Non Major Government Funds is reported at $7,512,908.

I also heard the ice rink was refinanced about three years ago

I do remember something about Ms. Manns negotiating a better interest rate and saving the city, but I can’t seem to locate that information right now.  But rest assured since the statement was made I will do my best to provide the facts supporting or refuting  it.

Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 04, 2007, 10:23:54 AM
I would like to ask the question one more time since there appears to be folks on this string that are in tune with city politics.

Why could there not be a merger of the local governments of Monroe City, Frenchtown, and Monroe township?  Some of the Detroit suburbs are investigating it as it has been done in some areas of the country with success.  The advantages in consolodation appear to me to be quite substantial.

I imagine automony would be an issue, but I can't help but to believe that this would help the community with transparent borders a great deal.

Again....I am new to the area (10 years or so) and do not know the local history.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 04, 2007, 10:51:18 AM
I feel it is irresponsible of local politicians not to consider the value of such a proposal in light of the struggling local governments of the 3 affected city governments.  I understand it wouldn't be easy, but to at least not open it up for discussion to determine if it is feasible or not is not doing a service to the taxpayers.

We must face the fact that the revenue from the state, and the decline of the automotive industry's contribution to the tax base is not going to be cured anytime soon.

Drastic times deserve drastic measues as the saying goes.  This proposal looks to have merit to me and there should be a study initiated much like the city just did to examine their organizational woes!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Griff on August 04, 2007, 11:12:46 AM
I would like to ask the question one more time since there appears to be folks on this string that are in tune with city politics.

Why could there not be a merger of the local governments of Monroe City, Frenchtown, and Monroe township?  Some of the Detroit suburbs are investigating it as it has been done in some areas of the country with success.  The advantages in consolodation appear to me to be quite substantial.

I imagine automony would be an issue, but I can't help but to believe that this would help the community with transparent borders a great deal.

Again....I am new to the area (10 years or so) and do not know the local history.

Great idea. The governor is already preaching intergovernmental agreements, so why not make all of Monroe County one jurisdiction? We could save on duplication of services and equipment for sure.

I would not be in favor of amalgamation. I would not want my part of the county to exchange its local ordinances and zoning codes for the debt burden of another jurisdiction.

Peace,
Griff
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 04, 2007, 11:14:13 AM
I would like to ask the question one more time since there appears to be folks on this string that are in tune with city politics.

Why could there not be a merger of the local governments of Monroe City, Frenchtown, and Monroe township?  Some of the Detroit suburbs are investigating it as it has been done in some areas of the country with success.  The advantages in consolodation appear to me to be quite substantial.

I imagine automony would be an issue, but I can't help but to believe that this would help the community with transparent borders a great deal.

Again....I am new to the area (10 years or so) and do not know the local history.

Great idea. The governor is already preaching intergovernmental agreements, so why not make all of Monroe County one jurisdiction? We could save on duplication of services and equipment for sure.

Making the entire county one jurisdiction wouldn't work. You'd be making a community that has at most 20,000 people and turning it into a metropolis of 160,000 (albeit very spread out). In essence you're going from Monroe to Ann Arbor overnight.

It would make sense to fuse Frenchtown, Monroe, and Monroe Township together, as their built-up areas merge. I would only support this merger, though, if the Monroe folks could curb the insane urban sprawl happening in Frenchtown.

Protip: If you're going to invite every single big-box retailer to hang out on your township, make sure you have the infrastructure for it. I'm looking at you, Telegraph and Mall roads...

If the urban sprawl isn't checked, downtown Monroe is doomed. As is the farmland. By fusing the townships and city together maybe they can come up with an intelligent urban growth plan.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 04, 2007, 11:18:26 AM
What would it take to get the 3 governments talking to at least study the feasibility......pressure from the MEN?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 04, 2007, 11:46:02 AM
What would it take to get the 3 governments talking to at least study the feasibility......pressure from the MEN?

Probably a replacement of everyone on the respective councils who are keen on the idea.

No one likes to give up power.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 04, 2007, 11:56:06 AM
Low probability of that happening!

Why not push the MEN to launch the investigation, do some reporting that is good be good for the constituients it serves?

Let the public see some of the advantages and open the minds up a little.  Then let the people push for board changes that WILL entertain what is best for the people of the Tri-Councils affected.

Someone with a large audience is going to have to bring the idea to the forefront.....not leave it up to the individual governments due to the reason you state....steppin' on the good ole boy toes!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 04, 2007, 12:36:04 PM
I would like to ask the question one more time since there appears to be folks on this string that are in tune with city politics.

Why could there not be a merger of the local governments of Monroe City, Frenchtown, and Monroe township?  Some of the Detroit suburbs are investigating it as it has been done in some areas of the country with success.  The advantages in consolodation appear to me to be quite substantial.

I imagine automony would be an issue, but I can't help but to believe that this would help the community with transparent borders a great deal.

Again....I am new to the area (10 years or so) and do not know the local history.


Your suggestion is a great one to consider but based upon my tenure in the Monroe area of the history of the interaction  of adjoining governmental jurisdictions ( City of Monroe -Frenchtown - Monroe Twp. ) it is a pipe dream to believe it will ever come about.

 Reason : Over the 40 years I have been in the area , I have seen a diminishing power within the City Of Monroe and a growing power of Frenchtown  & Monroe townships.

I could site many instances where there has been a failure of the governments to work together in the past , but the one that sticks out in my memory is when the Frenchtown government deceided they were being over charged for water rates which motivated them to build their own water plant . I will let others decide weather this was a good or bad move for the two governmental bodies and their citizens , but I do recall it created a sense of mistrust and rivalry that results when you have multiple leaderships with differing ideas not to mention egos and agenda.

The City of Monroe has a leadership history of" missed opportunity ". When the city should have annexed their boundaries ( prior to the growth of Frenchtown and Monroe Twp. ) they did nothing.Just within the last few years there was missed opportunity in rezoning the scrap metal yard from heavy industrial to light industrial ( prior to the sale to the current owner )  when it would have gone unopposed instead of the fear by residents on the east end that it will be reopened and disrupt quality of life .

The city leadership also has a history of infringing upon the private sector that can do things more efficiently resulting in the same benefit  / service to the community but wants to use our tax dollars to compete against private enterprise and many times fail due to lack of expertise , accountability and responsibility. I.E . The ice arena ( a private investor was chased off the idea of having an arena which would have paid taxes instead of absorbing taxes because they were competing against an attitude of" deep pocket" government that had nobody to answer to the actual cost ( until now).

The good thing I am hearing from leadership is the words cooperation & collaboration, which until now have been as extinct as the Dodo Bird.Governments in general are having to address shortfalls in funding and in their budgets and there are many ways these can be addressed locally which should be expanded upon. I.E. A sharing of police and fire/rescue  regarding purchase and sharing of costly equipment items , the purchasing power of buying in volume from vendors in a cooperative way ranging in everything from fuel to paper to computers.

The bottom line is that we need leaders that are able to" think outside the box" .

There is a saying that necessity is the mother of invention!!!\

 We need leaders that recognize problems and become "problem solvers" instead of being part of the problem.

I do understand that there will always be some that are disatisfied with whoever we have as mayor or on council, but these leaders are only a very small portion of the recovery process.We need to have "sensitive but strong leaders" in place as department heads that will be accountable themself and REQUIRE that all within their responsibility also be accountable and responsible as public servants.

 I am not implying that we don't have some of those people already in place but if you take the time to read the" Operational Assessment" you will understand fully where our deficiencies are.

We also need to create an environment  within our employees that their opinion relating to how efficiently they can do their job matters ( sort of a team effort ,instead of everyone fend for themself  attitude.) If an employee has a way of saving the city money in a proven method , they should be compensated accordingly.

 I am not anti union --anti employee -- anti growth --anti Anything , other then writing checks you can't cover and not doing the job you are entrusted to do.

One poster alluded to not having a magic wand or" Dorothy heels" to click together to resolve our common dilemma, but that does not give us the excuse of trying to correct the financial sins of our past and work together to make the City of  Monroe a place to live and to be proud of instead of a place to move away from as witnessed by the disproportionate number of real estate signs decorating our landscape.
 J. Pat Mc Elligott            
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: munrow on August 04, 2007, 01:27:48 PM

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The city spends 85 cents or better of every dollar for wages and benefits to their employees---this must be changed!!

J. Pat Mc Elligott 
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Mr. McElligott, You give the impression that Monroe's personnel costs are grossly out of whack. Don't the budgets of EVERY city go largely to personnel costs? I don't know where you get your 85% figure, but I'm curious if it is disproportionate when compared to other towns.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 04, 2007, 01:32:03 PM
What is that ratio per dollar in the township and Frenchtown I wonder?  Is it us that's out of whack, or is it everywhere?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Miss Daisy on August 04, 2007, 01:45:14 PM
The City of Monroe has a leadership history of" missed opportunity ". When the city should have annexed their boundaries ( prior to the growth of Frenchtown and Monroe Twp. ) they did nothing.

Is something along this line going to be your platform?  You do plan on running for office aren't you?  Maybe things could change if we had either you or someone like you at the wheel.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 04, 2007, 03:27:56 PM


The city spends 85 cents or better of every dollar for wages and benefits to their employees---this must be changed!!

J. Pat Mc Elligott 
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Mr. McElligott, You give the impression that Monroe's personnel costs are grossly out of whack. Don't the budgets of EVERY city go largely to personnel costs? I don't know where you get your 85% figure, but I'm curious if it is disproportionate when compared to other towns.
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For the sake of being boringly repetitive , I implore you one more time to go to the City of Monroe web page and pull up the "Operational Assessment" and read the results from a unbias outside source.Although looking at other towns being a yardsick of measurement , I reside ,pay taxes and conduct business in Monroe , so Monroe is MY CONCERN not other places where I don't have a vested interest. 

It is true that a lot of government funding is spent for salary, wages and benefits but the key is : Are we receiving full value for the dollars we spend in this area that sponge the lion's share of what tax dollars go for??

 I have personal knowledge and experince where I have seen graphic examples of overstaffing and a abuse of employee work time and government vehicles. How many people does it take to run this city and do it without a disruption of citizen services??

 I also remind you of what we in the private sector are experiencing during this transition we all find ourselves. Private sector employees are being laid off or having their hours reduced,salary &  wages and benefits frozen or negotiated with the employee sharing more of the cost burden and demands upon employees to pick up the work load slack and being more efficient. Are we to expect less from the public sector and their employees???

 I am smiling regarding the inquiry of if I plan on throwing my hat into the ring regarding the mayoral race or as a 3rd precinct candidate.

 I believe there is someone more qualified then I regarding technical knowledge of government, who would no doubt be more tactful and diplomatic then I have a tendency to be that I would support IF he decides to run for mayor.

The third precinct definately needs a change of representation and I would need to research what the other candidates approach to problems and their ability to work as a team with the other elected officials before I made a decision regarding that race.

I have no personal ax to grind with anyone currently on council ---but we do need a change in leadership direction and the current council formula is not working .

 I know inquiring minds want to know ( LOL ) but for the record in my opinion 4 of the 7 that sit on the council currently need to step aside. I have never viewed myself as a politician and to be very honest with you, I like so many , was apathetic and uninformed until government starting banging on my door and encroaching on my personal life .

 I also became livid at the lack of interest and arrogant attitude relating to my complaints of the horrible condition of the streets at  my Reisig street property that get nothing but" cold patch" which deepens the pot holes tearing up the road more.

It was at that point of inquiring that I was told that for decades our infrastructure which includes the streets and the decaying water pipes we don't see on a daily basis were put on hold in replacing or repairing adequately because personel cost ( salary / wages and benefits ) had left the capital improvements portion of our budget without proper funds to serve the citizens.

I remembered the old saying "The squeaky wheel is the one that gets greased" and have showed up for more council meetings in the last few years rivaling many on the current council in attendance.

I do believe I have a mature voice of experience, reason and cooperation to lend to whatever I choose to do regardless of if that capacity falls being the "activist clarion voice" of communicating problems and solutions as a citizen or as an elected official.

For the record , there is at least one person I feel is better qualified to be mayor then I and we shall see what the future holds.

My major concern for the future  is in a personal vein relating to my son ( Sullivan )  and everything else after that takes a second seat.

 I do appreciate people communicating their opinions , viewpoints and solutions---STAY INVOLVED and INFORMED seeking Honesty and Open Communication from ALL of our public officials at every level of government.
 J. Pat Mc Elligott       
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: munrow on August 04, 2007, 06:36:56 PM

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For the sake of being boringly repetitive , I implore you one more time to go to the City of Monroe web page and pull up the "Operational Assessment" and read the results from a unbias outside source.Although looking at other towns being a yardsick of measurement , I reside ,pay taxes and conduct business in Monroe , so Monroe is MY CONCERN not other places where I don't have a vested interest. 


 J. Pat Mc Elligott       
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Mr, McElligott, I have read the operational assessment. I cannot find where it states the city spends "85 cents or better of every dollar for employee wages and benefits". Again, where did you obtain that figure?

I cannot find where it states city employees are "padding their salary, wages and benefits". I believe such a claim merits explanation. Do you mean outright theft? Embezzlement?

I cannot find where it states "city employees receive above average and more in the way of salary, wages and benefits". Above average and more compared to what?

I cannot find where it states most city employees "have elected to live outside the city and are not helping to fund their positions".  Do you really know the home addresses of most city employees?

The quotes above are from your posts on this topic. They do not appear to be verified by the operational assessment. I respectfully ask that you cite your sources for these statements.

And lastly, while I understand other towns are not your concern, the operational assessment DOES uses other cities to measure and compare the services and staffing levels of Monroe.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Hogwild on August 04, 2007, 09:40:21 PM
Enough actual figures for the morning. My grass needs tending to.

This is the stuff I am talking about, right down to brass tacks.  Help me out here, where did you get the information?  I mentioned in a previous post the financial reports aren't available at the city website, or at least I could not find them.  If you did find them could you provide a link so that the rest of us can enjoy some real non fiction for a change.  If nothing else did you get the information from a budget or was it from the financial reports and which years were they obtained from?

Good job with the presentation, score one for bullcan!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 05, 2007, 10:26:21 AM
I still say the MEN should step up to the table and open the eyes of the voting constituents of the immediate Monroe area and do a simple investigative artical or two on the benifits the taxpayers could see with a merger of the city with its two bordering governments.

The current city leadership does not have the comprhensive ability to bring about changes for the good of the taxpayer.  Prime example.....how many more meetings will go by without a council report on the status of the study to reorganize to take advantage of the cost saves proposed?

Too many good ole boy folks would be impacted and my guess is that the study will intentionally slide without actions hoping that the taxpayers forget about it!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Tonya on August 05, 2007, 11:36:26 AM
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Too many good ole boy folks would be impacted and my guess is that the study will intentionally slide without actions hoping that the taxpayers forget about it!

God! I hope not! We spent to much money to have this study done. We spend too much on studies in general to have them go on the city's website. They never see the light of day again.

The issues the city is facing isn't because of one administration. It is a collective grouping of all past administrations and to think it will get better with the in coming council is a joke.

The study does point out that decisions have to be made. For a city of Monroe's size, our tax base doesn't support the services we receive. We pay, pay, pay to get nothing. Those who live in the city do so by choice, at least most do and we want activities and services that show we pay our taxes.

We want businesses that will not only bring in people from the surrounding area, but will support the City of Monroe as a whole and not just three streets. We want neighborhoods that have decent, affordable housing instead of an okay house with large tax bills.

Were is our money going? We are willing to come downtown and support our local businesses, but when there are just a handful of business to support and Monroe shuts down at 5:00pm, how is that helping us?

We have hundreds of homes going into foreclosure. Hundreds of homes sitting empty because the housing market got away from us several years ago and now we can't recoup our money. That leaves residents with no choice but to sit on a home, they can't afford because they are losing their jobs.

It use to be you could buy a home in Monroe and instantly have equity the day you moved in. Now you can't give them away. That is slowly changing but we have lost sight on why we live in the City.

We have city jobs that seem to get created. We city employees who are pulling in some cash because it's not what you are qualified for, it's who you know. It's who likes you. if your not liked, well kiss your job good-bye. So we end up with an excessive staffing levels.

We want to create law after law. We want to award bids because, well if we don't do this, we'll lose this opportunity. Fear. I see this government run on fear and not what we residents want.

I want the City of Monroe to be represented better. I want the City to have the same goals and objectives as other communities. Monroe could be (example) Sylvania. The City of Sylvania is amazing. The housing market is strong, the businesses are booming and everyone wants to live there. They have great schools, nice neighborhoods and affordable housing. They also have an amazing splash park.

What we have, ehhh, not so much. The one thing Monroe has that most communities don't is history. We have a hidden gem and we continually push everyone out into the townships. No wonder we have to look at closing schools.

If merging with the townships is what we have to do, then so be it. I think though we should try to save ourselves first.

Our government is just that ours. I say we take it back and let the people tell Council we they want.

Many residents have great ideas. We need to listen.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 05, 2007, 11:46:58 AM
Curious.....do you think we have a capable city administration and council to "save ourselves (the city of Monroe) first"........not from what I see in observing the comprehension and communication skills of what the city has elected!

I still maintain that the MEN should step up to the plate and do a series of articals on the advantages and disadvantages of a merger between the two townships and the city so that the PEOPLE can push the current governments into at least a conversation.

Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 05, 2007, 12:57:22 PM


For the sake of being boringly repetitive , I implore you one more time to go to the City of Monroe web page and pull up the "Operational Assessment" and read the results from a unbias outside source.Although looking at other towns being a yardsick of measurement , I reside ,pay taxes and conduct business in Monroe , so Monroe is MY CONCERN not other places where I don't have a vested interest. 


 J. Pat Mc Elligott       
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Mr, McElligott, I have read the operational assessment. I cannot find where it states the city spends "85 cents or better of every dollar for employee wages and benefits". Again, where did you obtain that figure?

I cannot find where it states city employees are "padding their salary, wages and benefits". I believe such a claim merits explanation. Do you mean outright theft? Embezzlement?

I cannot find where it states "city employees receive above average and more in the way of salary, wages and benefits". Above average and more compared to what?

I cannot find where it states most city employees "have elected to live outside the city and are not helping to fund their positions".  Do you really know the home addresses of most city employees?

The quotes above are from your posts on this topic. They do not appear to be verified by the operational assessment. I respectfully ask that you cite your sources for these statements.

And lastly, while I understand other towns are not your concern, the operational assessment DOES uses other cities to measure and compare the services and staffing levels of Monroe.
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Thank You for taking the time to research the" Operational Assessment" , and you are correct that some of the things that I have personal knowledge of are not "spelled out" in the report and you have to be able to know the sources of obtaining information and the proper procedure in order to do so.

 I believe you are drastically " expanding" on some of the things you  "think" I mentioned ,specifically in the area of embezzelment / theft . I never stated that anyone was embezzling money although I do know of (1) one case a few  years ago that will remain buried where $1000. was reimbursed back to the city coffers by the person that "borrrowed" it. I know that is a nice juicy gossip item that some would like for me to expand upon ,but I won't because I believe that our city employees for the most part are as honest and hard working as any of us try to be and to shroud suspicion &  blanket the rest of the employees because of one ( 1 ) dishonest and unethical employee is not fair or accurate.

I tend to be very conservative in my attitude toward such things as the use of city equipment and the high price of the fuel to run that equipment especially if  utilized for personal use, but if you are asking if I specifically know someone that abuses this right now --I do not. I have expressed my concerns to prior city managers and department heads regarding matters of this sort in the past that were happening and to my knowledge they were corrected .

 I also am very conservative relating to work ethic and feel that an employee should be very conscious of giving an" honest days work for an honest days pay". Since I became actively aware of how our city is run , I see many times when the operation of the city and the efficiency of the city has been compromised which was spelled out in the report ( I.E. read again the portions that relate to the Recreation Dept. and the City Attorney's position) which are (2) two glaring areas of where we need improvement.

There is more things that are good about our city and their employees then there is bad , but that is not the point I am trying to address nor will it accomplish the financial dilemma ALL of us face if the things we know we Must Do are delayed.We can't change the past , but we can attempt to learn from the mistakes of the past and have a better future as a city and community TOGETHER.

I don't have concrete figures that I can site other then to tell you that I know a lot of the city employees and if I had to guess from my personal knowledge , I would say 75% or more of them DO NOT reside within nor pay property taxes that fund their positions. Where you elect to live is a personal choice and I respect that right.How my tax money is distributed is my concern  and I am less sensitive to hearing the voice of dissent ---unless you are also sharing in paying the bills the City of Monroe incur.

For the record : I requested the address information you refered to regarding our employees and was told that it would have to be done under the F.O.I.A. ( Freedom of Information Act ) but the specifics regarding the employees address was confidential information--which I respect."I know what I know " and if I thought I was anywhere close to being wrong on my demographic estimate of where the majority of our city employees reside , I would recant my statement. Someone with that information knows I am right and if not--let them prove otherwise.

At the city council meetings ,which are televised by MPACT, when someone wishes to address the council they state their name and address, so IF there are a number of city employee / residents that wish to express their concerns--I would be interested in hearing what they have to say.

I believe there is another meeting to address the Operational Assessment on August 13th and I would encourage you to attend if you wish to research answers with me and others as to how best to put the City of Monroe on a stable path of financial health.Thanks again for being concerned about OUR city's future.
J. Pat Mc Elligott            
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: munrow on August 05, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
Despite the earlier statements that have been posted on this topic, I'm just not convinced Monroe's financial problems are the fault of its employees. We're losing tax base and I see no consistent strategy to reverse it.

Many people moan that downtown is underutilized and basically a haven for Monroe County Mental Health clients, indigents and court ordered Alcoholic/Narcotics Anonymous meetings. Many people will also acknowledge that a few landlords own a huge amount of rental housing stock in this city and have allowed those houses to be run into the ground.

These problems can be overcome, cities like Wyandotte have proven it. Change the business practices and you'll change perceptions. Change perceptions and people will come.

Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 05, 2007, 01:44:43 PM
Despite the earlier statements that have been posted on this topic, I'm just not convinced Monroe's financial problems are the fault of its employees. We're losing tax base and I see no consistent strategy to reverse it.

Many people moan that downtown is underutilized and basically a haven for Monroe County Mental Health clients, indigents and court ordered Alcoholic/Narcotics Anonymous meetings. Many people will also acknowledge that a few landlords own a huge amount of rental housing stock in this city and have allowed those houses to be run into the ground.

These problems can be overcome, cities like Wyandotte have proven it. Change the business practices and you'll change perceptions. Change perceptions and people will come.



Thanks Again for your comments and I agree with your observation of the blight issues in our city.

 The problems with blight are not confined to a few" slum lords" or people that choose to let their property deteriorate  which affects all of our properties.

You mentioned the city of Wyandotte and I agree that their downtown and their residential housing stock is in better physical condition and more appealing then ours, but that is a result of aggressive action to ADDRESS the problem.

At a prior city council meeting on two ( 2 ) seperate occasions I addressed this very issue with the solution to be to look into a City Certification Program which the city of Wyandotte and much of the Downriver area subscribe .

The result of the program is that everytime a property exchanges hands or ownership, a inspection of the property is done which spells out areas of physical concern that have to be addressed and remedied within the purchase agreement .The cost of repair or remedy is negotiated between the seller and the buyer but there has to be a method and time line adhered to before the sale can be consumated .

Over a period of years you will see property being remodeled / renovated and coming up to building code and safety standards instead of being passed on from one owner to the next without these vital preventive measures being consistently ignored and defered.

 I also mentioned some 3 dimensional artwork that could adorn specifically the terrible view of the back of commercial buildings that line the river / bridge area ( which is highly visable to all that go through Monroe ) this may be accomplished or assisted by local grants or creative thinking.

The result of my suggestions are that like many of the citizens concerns and ideas in the past---they fall upon deaf ears of present and prior leadership and departmental staff that give you the impression they don't want your input . You've heard the term" Goes in one ear and out the other" !!!!  J. Pat Mc Elligott     
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 05, 2007, 02:01:27 PM
The result of my suggestions are that like many of the citizens concerns and ideas in the past---they fall upon deaf ears of present and prior leadership and departmental staff that give you the impression they don't want your input . You've heard the term" Goes in one ear and out the other" !!!!  J. Pat Mc Elligott    

Pat.....those aren't deaf ears!  They are the ears of just a tad bit of cronyism, a few with lack of ability to comphrend or express a complete thought, a few that took some major knocks to the head from his younger days, and one or two who possibly can.

It's apparant to me that the citizens of each precinct for the most part can not get open-minded candidates with a tad bit of business and government savy to run for council and mayor.  You can't tell me that when you address that council that we have our best representing the city government to move this city forward through the tough times ahead.

That's one reason why I support the investigation of a consolidation/merger of the surrounding township governments.......because the current voting government can't get what we deserve as taxpayers!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Tonya on August 05, 2007, 02:39:36 PM
Do I think we can save ourselves first? I don't know, but I think we owe it to the citizen's to try.

If your having a budget crunch at home, what do you do? Cut back spend on non-essentials.

The city needs to do the same. We need to spend money where it needs to be spent, while at the same time, investigating where we can spend less.

We need to elect individuals who are going to represent everyone and not just a select few. Those who decide to run must be evaluated on their determination to provide the city and residents with the best representation. By representation, I mean someone who will work for the entire city and not just their precinct.

Our elections for far too long have been nothing more than a popularity contest. Therefore, we get a few representing the majority when the few have their own personal agendas and could careless about the majority. Or as it appears.

I have a question, Pat did you pull the paperwork to run for Precinct 3?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 05, 2007, 03:07:32 PM
Do I think we can save ourselves first? I don't know, but I think we owe it to the citizen's to try.

If your having a budget crunch at home, what do you do? Cut back spend on non-essentials.

The city needs to do the same. We need to spend money where it needs to be spent, while at the same time, investigating where we can spend less.

We need to elect individuals who are going to represent everyone and not just a select few. Those who decide to run must be evaluated on their determination to provide the city and residents with the best representation. By representation, I mean someone who will work for the entire city and not just their precinct.

Our elections for far too long have been nothing more than a popularity contest. Therefore, we get a few representing the majority when the few have their own personal agendas and could careless about the majority. Or as it appears.

I have a question, Pat did you pull the paperwork to run for Precinct 3?


Not Yet Tonya as I wish to talk with Willie Hall and assess the  others that have !! I believe you are someone I would have to" take a long hard look at for precinct 2",  although I believe Ed Paisley and his financial background is one of the more positive things we have on the current council ( You're a LOT better looking then he is though!!!) LOL!!  Let me know if I can assist you and thanks for being someone who cares about our city!!!
J. Pat Mc Elligott
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Guardian on August 05, 2007, 04:19:18 PM
Too many good ole boy folks would be impacted and my guess is that the study will intentionally slide without actions hoping that the taxpayers forget about it!

Intentionally slide, I think you are wrong on the issue, more like it’s dead so let’s bury it.  Talk around town is the current elected administration, since they plan on running for reelection, aren’t going to take the bull by the horns, instead their shuffling it off into a corner.  I understand Cappuccilli appointed a citizen committee to review the comprehensive plan and make recommendations. 

Quite a few citizen questioned the expense of the study and wondered why the administrative staff couldn’t do it.  Well it was explained very politely that if administration did the report it might appeared biased and besides if staff spent the necessary time doing a comprehensive study then who would do their work.  So the community foots a bill, for about $80,000, to a company specializing in this type of work.  A company with professional employees, who take what about 8 months to conduct interviews, write, then review surveys, analyze similar municipalities and finally present a report with recommendations.  Then instead of having the paid administrative staff evaluate and make recommendations, back to council with a plan for implementation, its turned over to a couple of excouncil people, a owner of a book store, an owner of shoe store, a neighbor of Cappuccilli’s to make recommendations where reductions in service should take place.

Come on, wake up, instead of worrying about where employees live and whether they pay taxes or not lets be concerned about those of us who do.  Heck I’m kind of glad employees don’t.  Did you ever consider that if every city employee, retiree and every member of their family lived in the city the influence they would have on an election.  If you only have 3500 people voting and 1000 where employees or former employees that’s a tremendous voter base.  And when you start talking cuts those people will probably show up at the polls.

Bottom line if the MEN is going to do anything maybe they need to find out why the professionals were hired in the first place, why didn't our elected officials just hand pick some people to begin with, call it a day and save the community the money.  At least that way we would have had something to show for a comprehensive study that no doubt will RIP.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 05, 2007, 04:36:18 PM
We need to elect individuals who are going to represent everyone and not just a select few.

Just to nitpick here..

I've always had the theory that the reason politicians give the impression that they're representing a "select few" is because that "select few" are the only ones who say anything.

The vast majority of people couldn't care less. There's only a small segment of any community that actively tries to change things. One of the best ways to change things is through thier elected officials.

Ergo, only a few people would be trying to change things, ergo the councilpeople are listening to a "small elite minority".

The solution, of course, is to try to increase civic participation, but good luck doing that. best thing to do is to make your own voice heard.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: munrow on August 05, 2007, 07:19:29 PM
I agree with most of the Operational Assessment. I believe the majority of it's recommendations should be implemented. Having said that, I'm concerned that some are attempting to twist the Assessment to fit their own personal and/or political agendas.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: riar on August 05, 2007, 07:46:52 PM
did it change for the better for the state of michigan??



Not with a Republican congress. Nothing ever gets done when congress is one thing and the governor is another and animosity between the two factions is at a high. Michigan acts like one great big ball of red tape all the time, caught up, or hit a snag somewhere. Did you know that there was absolutely no money in the DNR coffers in this state for years because Engler used it to balance the budget. Michigan hasn't been operating right for a long time.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Tonya on August 05, 2007, 11:18:52 PM
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You are critical of the current council, and I assume that is why you pulled to run for council. Where exactly is the current council overspending?

I don't feel I am critical of the current council. I do feel is that the current council has had a lot to deal with. There has been a display of animosity from more than one side and this has not helped our city move forward.

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Where exactly is the current council overspending?

Actually, I don't feel this administration has overspent. If anything, they have spent money where it doesn't need to be spent. Our public facilities have undergone renovations that I think didn't needed to be done. We have fire hydrants that are in disrepair. We are using CDBG funds to upgrade our sidewalks to make them ADA compliant when the intentions of CDBG funds were meant to improve our declining neighborhoods. Understand, CDBG funds can be used this way, but had we not have faced a lawsuit, would we have used these funds elsewhere?

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If you win, how does your marriage to Will affect what decisions you will make regarding his employment arrangement at ALCC?

It doesn't affect it. The Arthur Lesow Community Center is a 501 c 3 non-profit. ALCC and it's employee's are not city employees. ALCC is governed by a Board of Directors and they set all policies and procedures for the community center. ALCC does receive funding from several entities, including the City of Monroe. As a Councilwoman, I would acknowledge from the beginning that my husband works for an agency that receives funding from the City of Monroe and therefore it is mandatory that I abstain from any and all votes that deal with ALCC. This is not a new situation and many previous members of council have had to do the same.

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I understand there has been some friction from looking at your blog, and blame directed to a few board members, even a councilman. Please give some basis for your statements if possible, otherwise it appears that you are simply doing what Pat McElligott is doing, and that is simply put, starting the political bandwagon.

I would not say there is friction. Attending most of the board meeting for ALCC, except two, I am appalled at what occurs at the board meetings. The board is currently comprised of several members of the community. Until recently, many of the board members were either associated with the City with regards to their employment or are appointed by the city/county. I have question many things that have occurred on the ALCC board, publicly and privately. Each person has their own voice. Each person has the ability to stand up for what is right. If they choose not to do so, that is on them, but know that is open for agreement or criticism. If you wish to know specifics, I am more than happy to speak with you about them. As you stated, I have written about them.

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If anything, I see this council as being tight with money. By doing this operational study they are showing that they are trying to get the city right sized. It’s not like they have gone out and spent money on another ice rink. They are trying, and they should be supported, until such a time as you get in office, and then we can blame you for not getting things in order right now.

I believe I have supported our council. I have not blamed them for anything. I have not claimed they haven't tried to do right by the residents. I feel some of the situations could have been handled better. As far as the Ice Rink, many of the current council approved the Ice Rink. Now we want to get all up in arms about how it is draining the budget? Maybe that should have been considered in the beginning. You know, the what if’s. We just put a new management in place. Let’s see what they do. I believe that the City needs to more forward and the only way to do this is to elect individuals who will not foster animosity within the city.  Yes, if I am elected, you can blame me.

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Also, how will you hold up to critics who may question your ethics? Are you willing to bring your past into the light?

Anyone can question my ethics. My past is open. I am not ashamed to share anything I may or may not have done. I would hope that anyone who knows me or is interested in knowing what type of person I am, ask me. If you don't believe me, then spend a few days with me. I do what I preach and am conscious that I follow my own advice. I am not perfect. I am human and we do make mistakes, but generally, I think I am a decent person. Besides, do you know something about me and would like to share?

I would like to ask you this. This was your first post. I don't know if I should be flattered or if I should question your motivation. You are going to question my ethics when there has been 2 years of this administration running wild with the "ethics" question. You have every right to question my opinions, but to bring in my ethics when I have neither been elected to any seat nor have I formally made myself a candidate for City Council. It makes me wonder what your ethics are. I just want to be sure that this same question is also asked of our current sitting council. You don't want to appear that your question just my ethics.

 
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There is another heading on this site about downtown. Since this would be your precinct, what is your idea for helping downtown? Not just saying what downtown needs, but how would you fix the problems as you see them? The first thing needed is for the Downtown Development Authority to fire the new girl who can’t seem to help businesses stay in town, and who doesn’t seem to be reaching out to businesses in an effort to bring them into town. Downtown needs a program with incentives to bring business in. They need parking for customers. They need less restrictions on signage and types of businesses allowed. What are your ideas? Do you support bike riding on the sidewalks, even though injury could occur to pedestrians

I would volunteer my time to help clean up the streets and sidewalks. I would work with the DDA, DMNB and resident to work on the best plan of action that suits all concerned. I don't know if blaming the DDA's new Executive Director is the best approach. She has been in the position about a year. The DDA's Board of Director's hired her. I would question the board about their responsibilities. Are they providing guidance to her? Have they worked with her to bring their desires to reality? Or did they say they were going to help her and just throw her into the position?

I agree there needs to be incentives to bring in businesses. What kind? I don't know. I would work with the property owners to lower their rent for a certain amount of time. I am aware Councilman Beneteau has offered several times that if you rent space from him, he will give you discounts on rent. This is a positive start. I would like to see this trend continue with all building owners.

Trust me; I know parking is an issue. I would like to see the Parking Validation program continued. I would also like to see some of the larger lots utilized more by both business owners and City/County employees. Let's get them off the residential streets. Mercy Memorial Hospital is bussing in employees; can’t the city/county do the same?

In my 25 years as a resident of the City of Monroe, I have seen and heard of many businesses wanting to come into the City to do business only to told, no. Why? This gives the appearance of only certain types of businesses are allowed downtown. What kind of businesses can we bring in? We have coffee shops, clothing stores, restaurants. A jewelry store. How about an Antique Mall? The old Wiesle's building is sitting vacant. As is the Spainhower building, or what is left of it. I remember the Hobby Shop being in there. Why not contact some of the local businesses and drawing them into downtown. Swan Candle Co. for instance. I am not a developer. I am smart enough to consult with one. We need to know what our infrastructure will support.

Do I support bicycle riding on the sidewalks? After 5:00pm when all the businesses are closed, yes. The downtown is closed at this point; the kids are out of school. We ride our bikes around toward the evening hours. I haven't heard of too many pedestrians being hit a bike. Many stories about being hit by cars though.

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What also would you do to bring more business and industry into town? Would you support a business opening at the IKO plant? What is your view on the scrap business? What would you do with the ice rink? Will you be able to fire employees and put people out of a job? Will you fight to lower our taxes, and if so, how will you accomplish this? Do you feel that the services you expect can be provided with a smaller work force, and if not, how will you keep taxes from going up to pay the current workforce? How do you put a price on public safety, when everyone knows that a reduction in police and fire budgets (regardless of whether this means cutting positions) needs to happen? Do you support a tax increase to get our roads fixed? How about raising our taxes for other infrastructure improvements? What is your position on raising taxes for library expansion? Bus service? New fire station?

Yes, I would. I would support any business that complied with Federal, State and Local laws. I lived by IKO when it was in operation. I don't remember the foul odors or the other complaints many of the resident complained of. Were they valid? I am sure they feel they were. It is closed now, that is not going to change. The residents don't want another production factory. I am open to any business. If they comply with DEQ standards, what would be the issue? I would suggest finding a buyer for the property to put up residential homes, but with so many losing their jobs, who would buy them? The zoning should support what type of business goes in. The city can either move on or let it sit. It’s becoming a blighted building. It is held by a private corporation and they need to be encouraged to use the building or sell it.

The ScrapYard. I was one of the people begging the City to come to a compromise. I was one of the people who were trying to look for the best interest of all involved. Do I want to see a heavy industrial business on that site, no, but then again, it was not appropriate for the zoning to be changed after it was bought. There are a number of issues that came into play with the property. Mistakes happened, not just once, but twice. Papers being filed, approval being given then taken back. Unfortunately, the city is now in a lawsuit over the property. Many of the residents were willing to look into having them open provided they complied with whatever restrictions were place on them. Many of the residents in my neighborhood were opposed to it because of the truck traffic. I have a few ideas for the property and many were in the works years ago. Some of the train lines have been re-designated; this could be beneficial to us.

Will I be able to put Fire employees out of work? That is one of the recommendations of the Operational study. I would have to know specifics. Budget, employee size compared to city size. Number of runs made a year, etc.

It is absurd that we pay the amount of taxes we do for what little we receive. I would find out what our tax base is and where a majority of the money is going. Does it provide us with a benefit or is it draining our budget. Again, where is a majority of our money going? It isn't going to our roads, infrastructure or firework account. We support the parks that everyone uses. Munson park for example. City and township residents use it but we as city residents are maintaining it. The City already has a set amount of money coming in; let's use it without blowing it. Sometimes I think the word "No" is good. Just because department heads are asking, doesn't mean they should receive it. Our public safety isn't in jeopardy. For example, Crime is not going to spontaneously increase if we have fewer officers patrolling our street. There is nothing wrong with the PD patrolling with double officers in one car. It would save with gas.

How many fire stations do we need? We certainly need two. We have a lot of train tracks dividing the city. Until they get re-routed, we will need at minimum of two.

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It’s not a perfect world, and there is not a perfect plan. The city needs less employees, and the remaining employees need to work harder for their wages. I’m not sure of your business background, but don’t you think the city is a business and should work to survive at the highest benefit to our taxpayers? Our taxpayers are our stockholders, and you will have to make it profitable to them. Every other big company is cutting the fat, and Monroe needs to also. I think the current council is on the right track, but nothing happens overnight, and the study has not been out that long. Do you have what it takes, or are you just running because of bitterness or a personal agenda?

No, it’s not a perfect world. The City should be run like a business, but that business needs to be consumer friendly and I am afraid it is not at this point. Again, I have not formally submitted anything for my candidacy, I merely pulled the petition. I can only be fair, open, and honest and do place my votes where the citizens want them. As a councilmember, you represent the residents. What bitterness and with who? I want a city I can be proud of; I want a city that people want to move into. I want a city that represents me and my neighbors justly. I want a city that thrives. Can I represent Monroe this way and work my hardest to see it happen? Yes.

Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 05, 2007, 11:49:47 PM
GOOD HONEST ANSWERS TONYA!!! 

Okay, now I have to be honest with you and hopefully the character trait of honesty will overide my ignorance and lack of computer skills!!! How in the heck do you answer only a portion of a posters reply as you and others have so skillfully done?
 
 I tried and failed at everything I have attempted to prevent forwarding the complete post as a quote in favor of just the portion I wish to address .

They say the only dumb question is the question that is not ask , so please enlighten me someone!!

 There is speculation that I will run for council in some capacity and IF I do one of my promises to the public is that I will ALWAYS ask questions and look for answers.

I also promise to know what I am voting on and how I am voting (Yes or No) on issues. LOL 
J. Pat Mc Elligott 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Tonya on August 06, 2007, 12:33:35 AM
Pat,

 It is easiest to manually type [ q u o t e ] at the beginnging of whatever you want to reply to:

Copy and Paste Okay, now I have to be honest with you and hopefully the character trait of honesty will overide my ignorance and lack of computer skills!!! How in the heck do you answer only a portion of a posters reply as you and others have so skillfully done?

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Okay, now I have to be honest with you and hopefully the character trait of honesty will overide my ignorance and lack of computer skills!!! How in the heck do you answer only a portion of a posters reply as you and others have so skillfully done?

Then add [ / q u o t e ]  at the very end of your copy and paste.

That should work. Make sense?

Thank you for the compliment! I try not being a jerk. It's a pet peeve.

Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 06, 2007, 01:06:56 PM
Sullivan/Pat & Tonya.......would either of you support a merger of the city, Frenchtown, and Monroe township as other progressive communities are at least investigating to capitialize of reduced overhead structures and other economies of scale?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 06, 2007, 02:08:34 PM
Sullivan/Pat & Tonya.......would either of you support a merger of the city, Frenchtown, and Monroe township as other progressive communities are at least investigating to capitialize of reduced overhead structures and other economies of scale?

In theory I believe it would be a good idea, but in reality , I do not see it happening due to,  to much opposition by the public , the local "powers that be" and the monumental task and time it would take to restructure our form of government.

 I am sure there would  be numerous road blocks and obstacles to this process and I don't know  about the financial crisis Monroe or Frenchtown townships are experiencing but the financial crisis the City of Monroe faces CAN NOT BE DELAYED by such a lengthy and political procedure.

Autonomy and power play are major factors  in many peoples mind when it comes to what form of government you choose for leadership  and I do not believe people in the afore mentioned townships would want to be a part of a larger governmental body such as the City of Monroe Incorporated ( we have small  township area pockets of residential areas within our city limits  that refuse to be annexed into the city because other then refuse pick up, they see no value in the increased city taxes they would pay).

With that said , I do know there is already a thought process by at least some in the city and possibly the townships where we could share in services and equipment and in operating cost purchasing power that would save all of us money in running government and as a result in a cooperative effort run government more efficiently . This I believe is an attainable goal that would be embraced by all involved.

I have publically stated that the idea of the City of Monroe being an island and not being a part of other governmental bodies in a cooperative effort is something I do not,  nor will ever subscribe.

We all need each other as a community and as a people and although I do not embrace a socialistic philosophy --I do believe that when it is beneficial for us as a people to communicate and cooperate and compromise for the betterment of the majority that is what we need to do .

 Thanks again for being a concerned citizen , as that , at this point ,  is ALL that I am also.

J. Pat Mc Elligott 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Tonya on August 06, 2007, 06:06:26 PM
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Sullivan/Pat & Tonya.......would either of you support a merger of the city, Frenchtown, and Monroe township as other progressive communities are at least investigating to capitialize of reduced overhead structures and other economies of scale?

I would be more than willing to look at merging if it would help us out financially. If a complete merger was not in our best interest, then certainly we need to look at consolidating services. Several other cities are looking into this here in Michigan and Ohio. Why shouldn't we?

Nothing is a waste of money than duplicate services.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: ladyjane on August 06, 2007, 06:12:01 PM
Tonya,

If you attend the council meeting tonight, can you update us on the free parking pass vote for J.P.?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Tonya on August 06, 2007, 06:13:55 PM
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Tonya,

If you attend the council meeting tonight, can you update us on the free parking pass vote for J.P.?

 :-X ;)
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 06, 2007, 09:20:40 PM
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Sullivan/Pat & Tonya.......would either of you support a merger of the city, Frenchtown, and Monroe township as other progressive communities are at least investigating to capitialize of reduced overhead structures and other economies of scale?

I would be more than willing to look at merging if it would help us out financially. If a complete merger was not in our best interest, then certainly we need to look at consolidating services. Several other cities are looking into this here in Michigan and Ohio. Why shouldn't we?

Nothing is a waste of money than duplicate services.  

Thanks Tonya.....that was the answer I was looking for; a potential candidate who would support a study to determine feasibility in spite of a few folks getting mad because they don't get leaf pick up!

Pat.....you let the council off the hook tonight.....no answer on if there was a colaboration with our neighboring communities for any possibility of bulk purchases for the goods or services.....and, you should have asked what is the expectation of how progress is going to be published to the citizens.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Will Sweat on August 06, 2007, 11:43:38 PM
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Intergovernmental cooperation is a terriffic idea, but it will never float, so why waste the money and time studying it. Best to just look at duplication of services and work from there.

It had better work - with continued projections of reduction in income from the State and Federal government along with the possible reductions of income from ACH and DTE the City, County and all Townships need to begin to be realistic. 

Forming authorities for services is a good concept and has proven very usable in many communities.  Change will be difficult but is going to be necessary. 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 07, 2007, 07:05:16 AM
I misused the word study, my apologies.

What I think could be done is a series of investigative articals by the MEN to explore the advantages and disadvantages so that it could be absorbed by the subscribers to the paper.  If written properly where facts are presented, both pro and con, a larger cross section of the local population could make an evaluation one way or the other.  If those in favor are a significant voting block within each of the communities then a change has a better chance in moving foreward since it would be pushed forward by citizens.

Face it, no change that could benifit the entire area is going to go anywhere with our current local politicians......it will take support from a larger population of voters.

It may not end up as a total melding of the local governments, but the ability  of procurement of goods and services HAS to be advantageous to us all. 

I just feel that seeing what is going on across the rest of the country with falling revenues where communities that have transparent borders such as ours are AT LEAST INVESTIGATING local government mergers as a way to offset costs.  It appears our community has too much animosity towards each other (which I don't understand at all), personal political ambition conflicts, and other reasons such as leaf pick up that is preventing even an open discussion to see if there is a benifit to our whole local economy. 

Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Mayonnaise on August 07, 2007, 09:02:39 AM
Sullivan/Pat & Tonya.......would either of you support a merger of the city, Frenchtown, and Monroe township as other progressive communities are at least investigating to capitialize of reduced overhead structures and other economies of scale?

I know the question was not directed at me but I would like to comment on the merger thought.

I honestly would support the idea of a merger, because how the City is separate from the Township.
Providing, I was allowed to vote on City Issues.

These are just some of the examples that I feel this way.
I am sure that there are more.

If I need a Lawyer, I have to go into the City.
If I have to go to Court, I have to go into the City.
If go to a Parade, I have to go into the City.
If I want to start a Business,  I have to go into the City.
If I take by Son to or from School (MMS), I have to go into the City.
If I attend my Veteran Meetings, I have to go into the City.
If I had an issue involving the Police, I have to go into the City.

I live in the Township, and do conduct a lot of business in the City and making purchase’s, putting my money into City Business’s  yet, I am not allowed to vote for a Mayor.

Kind of makes me feel that I am from the “wrong side of the tracks”, they take my money but won’t let me have a say (vote) in City issues.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Will Sweat on August 07, 2007, 11:04:06 AM
Mayonnaise wrote:

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I am not allowed to vote for a Mayor.

Kind of makes me feel that I am from the “wrong side of the tracks”, they take my money but won’t let me have a say (vote) in City issues.

But your "money" does not go directly to support City services.  Plus, as I don't live in the Township - but, have to do much of my shopping there (or Frenchtown, or Bedford, or . . .) I don't get to vote in your elections either. 

Bullcans wrote:

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You can get better services, parades, the ability to vote, and all you have to do is pay more in taxes.


Or you can stay where you are, continue to enjoy the parks paid for by others, parades paid for by others along with other amenities that only the City provides (Jazz Festival, Downtown Hoe Down, Fourth of July Festival, Art Fair, Ice Festival).
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 07, 2007, 04:16:25 PM
So I guess because the municipalities can not get along that at the very least a coop couldn't be formed to purchase supplies and services.  How sad this is, and an injustice to the taxpayers of the area.

It appears that its easier to argue if you live in the townships or city and not see the bigger picture of savings.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 07, 2007, 05:13:42 PM
I reread my post twice bullcan.....where did I say I wanted to do away with the police department?

I am trying to at least open the dialog of cooperative purchases between the townships and city.  Chlorine for instance at our water facilities.

If it grows into more opportunities for lower taxes by combining services.....so be it!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 07, 2007, 06:54:55 PM
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Sullivan/Pat & Tonya.......would either of you support a merger of the city, Frenchtown, and Monroe township as other progressive communities are at least investigating to capitialize of reduced overhead structures and other economies of scale?

I would be more than willing to look at merging if it would help us out financially. If a complete merger was not in our best interest, then certainly we need to look at consolidating services. Several other cities are looking into this here in Michigan and Ohio. Why shouldn't we?

Nothing is a waste of money than duplicate services.  

Thanks Tonya.....that was the answer I was looking for; a potential candidate who would support a study to determine feasibility in spite of a few folks getting mad because they don't get leaf pick up!

(quote) Pat.....you let the council off the hook tonight.....no answer on if there was a colaboration with our neighboring communities for any possibility of bulk purchases for the goods or services.....and, you should have asked what is the expectation of how progress is going to be published to the citizens.(/quote)


Fuzz ,
     Let Me Clarify My Role As An Outspoken Critic of our city government : RESIDENT---PROPERTY OWNER--CONCERNED CITIZEN!!!!

I have not portrayed myself as anything more and do not perceive myself to be the" mouthpiece or voice" for you or anyone else other then myself.

You like myself are very opinionated and have some good ideas to share.Come to the city council meetings ,call your elected officials , call the department heads but don't be APATHETIC and sit at home and complain where nobody that actually is in the decision process can hear your voice and ideas.

I believe the art of communication is just that : An Art.

 If you are continually complaining without giving possible solutions that will not create more problems then what you are attempting to resolve ---it will fall on deaf ears.

If you are constantly criticizing without giving any encouragement or compliment when you feel it applies ,your words will fall on deaf ears.

Last night the council made a positive step by in theory approving the Operational Assessment and those like myself that have followed this process recognize that as being a step in the right direction.

I commend them on that decision because many that work for the city may be feeling betrayed by even that small step toward our overall financial health.

There are many components to the Operational Assessment of which wages & benefits are only a part.

George Brown( City Manager )  could not move on any portion of the assessment regardless of how small it may be without council approval ( that has now been done ) but we are far from implementation  agreement.

A democracy gives you a voice in the process of decision ( even though it may be small or even ignored ) that you need to exercise yourself instead of telliing me I let the council off the hook.

Please join me at the next council meeting and if I am in agreement with you --we will both hold their feet to the fire . J. Pat Mc Elligott

 

 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 07, 2007, 07:18:46 PM
Are township residents allowed to address the city council?  I spent the first 5 of my 10 years here in the city, and now in the township.

I applaud you Pat as a concerned citizen....don't take your intrepretation of written word as it sometimes sounds harsher than intended.  I think you would make a very solid council member as you articulate well, and are truely concerned for the good of the city.  It appears that way anyway.

Last night was a good step and quite honestly should have been put to motion the way it passed last night at the meeting immediatly following the initial presentation.  Not too much time was lost though, let George do his job now.  I do think though that maybe a status report every month or so by the city manager towards "the intent" of the operational analysis would be prudent.  How else do the citizens understand the performance to the plan.

My ideas are not unique, and not impacted by what things that happened in the past here that would prevent at least some discussions with the other local governments to see where some synergies can be achieved.  This idea actually came out of a recent Free Press artical a few weeks ago.  When I saw it, our local circumstances made perfect sense.  It is happening around the country Pat because there are a lot of bordering communities out there facing the same declining revenue we are.

I've worked in the automotive most my life and have seen first hand what mergers and aquistions can do in the long run.  They save operational cost in light of declining production cuased by the decrease in market share our major customers have been experiencing. 

I just don't understand the local history here well enough to understand why this idea has so much resistance in the community!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 07, 2007, 08:39:26 PM
Are township residents allowed to address the city council?  I spent the first 5 of my 10 years here in the city, and now in the township.

I applaud you Pat as a concerned citizen....don't take your intrepretation of written word as it sometimes sounds harsher than intended.  I think you would make a very solid council member as you articulate well, and are truely concerned for the good of the city.  It appears that way anyway.

Last night was a good step and quite honestly should have been put to motion the way it passed last night at the meeting immediatly following the initial presentation.  Not too much time was lost though, let George do his job now.  I do think though that maybe a status report every month or so by the city manager towards "the intent" of the operational analysis would be prudent.  How else do the citizens understand the performance to the plan.

My ideas are not unique, and not impacted by what things that happened in the past here that would prevent at least some discussions with the other local governments to see where some synergies can be achieved.  This idea actually came out of a recent Free Press artical a few weeks ago.  When I saw it, our local circumstances made perfect sense.  It is happening around the country Pat because there are a lot of bordering communities out there facing the same declining revenue we are.

I've worked in the automotive most my life and have seen first hand what mergers and aquistions can do in the long run.  They save operational cost in light of declining production cuased by the decrease in market share our major customers have been experiencing. 

I just don't understand the local history here well enough to understand why this idea has so much resistance in the community!


Fuzz,

I believe you would be welcome to present your idea of a partnership between the local governments and if you believe it will work , then you need to present it to the council and / or the townships.

I believe you are correct , but I know enough history regarding ALL of the local leaderships within the county that I KNOW a full blown merger at this point would end up being a "turf war".

I believe the best approach is to find common ground relating to revenue savings without giving up that autonomous power that individuals "perceive they forfeit" by being a part of leadership instead of being the leader.

I know it is a play on words or title , but those kind of things are important to a lot of people.

I'm kind of a "let's cut to the chase and get something accomplished in the most efficient and least costly way without surrendering value or service" kind of person---which UNFORTUNATELY is not the way of any form of governing that I have observed.

I do believe this current national, state and local crisis has formed more cooperation and collaboration out of a sense of necessity which hopefully won't be to little --to late , but we just have to ALL try.

I do sincerely believe you should voice your opinion on anything that concerns you.

I believe when people invest in anything they should expect a return , which is why when elections are held and turn out is less then 25% of registered voters ---The message to the elected official regarding how to conduct themself in office is 75% of the people really don't care.


It is no wonder they can be bought by lobbys and special interest or just vote "their conscience"---instead of what their constituents want .

We create our problems with our APATHY!!!!

I appreciate your comments and input , you just need to expand your audience.
Thanks for your time!!!
J. Pat Mc Elligott
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: munrow on August 07, 2007, 09:19:58 PM
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There are many components to the Operational Assessment of which wages & benefits are only a part.

 J. Pat Mc Elligott


There is absolutely no mention of wages or benefits in the Operational Assessment. Why are you repeatedly misrepresenting what is in the assessment? What do you hope to gain? 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 07, 2007, 10:42:18 PM
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There are many components to the Operational Assessment of which wages & benefits are only a part.

 J. Pat Mc Elligott


There is absolutely no mention of wages or benefits in the Operational Assessment. Why are you repeatedly misrepresenting what is in the assessment? What do you hope to gain? 

And where do you or your family work within the city??

In answer to your question though , I hope to gain a city government and their staff and their employees that will be more sensitive to the citizens that "pay the bills" so we can be in the black for a change instead of robbing from Peter ( capital improvements and infrastructure ) to pay Paul ( our overstaffed and overfunded employee benefit and wage policies of the last decade or so ) .

I pay dearly in taxes for benefits I DO NOT RECEIVE!!!

 I live at 813 Reisig , come drive my neighborhood and compare my streets to the one you live on in Frenchtown and probably paying less in property tax to enjoy.

I believe there is enough" fat in the city system" in the area of less paid holidays and personal days off and paid vacation days as to not impair service or overwork employees  .

 I have witnessed personally the over staffing of departments so that an over abundance of paid days off did not impair operation because some were not asked to maximize their work effort because the city could just as easily do without them.

I don't want to see anyone lose their job ---but cuts and compromise must be made and reading between the lines of the Operational Assessment , that means not filling all positions when a person retires or leaves our employ and reducing the value of compensation in" some form" to the employees.

Don't shoot me--I just help pay the bills of which the Operational Assessment is part of the bills I pay .

I'm amazed at the arguement of people that work for the city but choose not to live in the city and assist in their own health and welfare.

I have heard some of the firemen "banter" that we are sacrificing our families health and safety by messing with their staffing etc. So I quess my family and my City of Monroe neighbors family mean more to them then their own families that are serviced by volunteer fireman and another fire rescue system at their various township residences????

I support police and fire service , but they gotta give me a better arguement then that if I have to continue to pay for diminished services in other areas that confront me daily ( roads & decaying infrastructure ) .

J. Pat Mc Elligott     
 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: munrow on August 08, 2007, 12:06:14 AM

[/quote] I believe there is enough" fat in the city system" in the area of less paid holidays and personal days off and paid vacation days as to not impair service or overwork employees  .

 I have witnessed personally the over staffing of departments so that an over abundance of paid days off did not impair operation because some were not asked to maximize their work effort because the city could just as easily do without them.

I don't want to see anyone lose their job ---but cuts and compromise must be made and reading between the lines of the Operational Assessment , that means not filling all positions when a person retires or leaves our employ and reducing the value of compensation in" some form" to the employees.

J. Pat Mc Elligott     
[/quote]

You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, however,the Operational Assessment is a very straight forward document. The recommendations it gives are very clear. I don't need you or anyone else to "read between the lines" for me. I find it disturbing that you repeatedly attempt to twist the assessment to fit your beliefs.  Frankly, you're  either incapable of comprehending the assessment or you are blatantly dishonest. This will be my last post on this topic and I will end it the way Mr. McElligott began it....I urge everyone to read the Operational Assessment and make informed decisions.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 08, 2007, 10:37:40 AM
Pat,
Do you really believe that the employees are responsible for the problems in the assessment? Don't you believe that the majority of the problems lie with the department heads and supervisors who look the other way when there is waste of labor?

You criticize paid holidays and personal time, but is that due to the false allegations you have made about an ex wife and her husband when they attend court cases against you? Are your concerns really about best for the city, or best for you. You elude to your Reisig St. address, but is that the worst street in the city, and the most travelled, or is it that it is your street and you want it fixed? I have driven down your street, and I know for a fact that Lavender St. is much worse, and much, much more travelled. Everyone wants their own streets perfect, but would you support a millage increase to fix more in a timely manner? You sound like the older guy that talks about illegal aliens at the meetings. He paid taxes his whole life, but his street doesn't get fixed every year. He lives on S. Custer for God's sake. His street gets fixed more than any. Don't act like him. You may run for Mayor? Can you look us in the eye and tell us that you want to raise our taxes in the economy we are in?

Bull,
I will address you or anyone else regarding my personal life and my personal agenda as you requested" looking you in the eye" .

You seem to think you know me and my business and I will tell you I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE but I will not discuss my personal issues on an open forum where people hide behind the shadow of anonymity .

 I research everything that I do personally and professionally so when I make an allegation it usually is accurate or reveals the TRUTH and that is all I seek is for the TRUTH  to be told and then let others affected determine what they will do with the TRUTH.

I'm sure you know how to reach me if you want answers to what you "think" my motivation and character is and I look forward to interacting with you" eye to eye".

I am not skirting any inquiry you or anyone else has of me but when things enter into a personal arena , it would be unfair of me to subject myself or my son Sullivan or for that matter my son's mother and her husband ( who are both non-resident employees of the city living in Bedford township ) to airing our dirty laundry in a public manner.

The Operational Assessment speaks for itself regarding  many of the deficiencies I have been very public about,  and mine and my son's mother and her husband's personal business is not mentioned and has no relevance in the overall goal of putting the City of Monroe on firmer financial footing ---which in the long run benefits us all.
 
Living in the light of responsibility, accountability and character of FULL  disclosure I am : J. Pat Mc Elligott
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 08, 2007, 10:58:13 AM

I believe there is enough" fat in the city system" in the area of less paid holidays and personal days off and paid vacation days as to not impair service or overwork employees  .

 I have witnessed personally the over staffing of departments so that an over abundance of paid days off did not impair operation because some were not asked to maximize their work effort because the city could just as easily do without them.

I don't want to see anyone lose their job ---but cuts and compromise must be made and reading between the lines of the Operational Assessment , that means not filling all positions when a person retires or leaves our employ and reducing the value of compensation in" some form" to the employees.

J. Pat Mc Elligott     
[/quote]

You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, however,the Operational Assessment is a very straight forward document. The recommendations it gives are very clear. I don't need you or anyone else to "read between the lines" for me. I find it disturbing that you repeatedly attempt to twist the assessment to fit your beliefs.  Frankly, you're  either incapable of comprehending the assessment or you are blatantly dishonest. This will be my last post on this topic and I will end it the way Mr. McElligott began it....I urge everyone to read the Operational Assessment and make informed decisions.
[/quote]

Munrow,
Obviously some people are better at asking questions then they are at answering them!!!

 If you believe I have been dishonest with my portrayal of the city of Monroe's financial problems and their remedy , then come out of your anonymity by contacting me personally so we can discuss, but ALSO be prepared to ANSWER any questions I  may have of you and your interest in this matter and how you propose to resolve instead of just continuing down a road of financial instability.

Many factors regarding quality of life, property values , appeal to growth for business and residential , bond ratings and ability to borrow at competitive rates , etc. have a bearing on what we are doing now regarding addressing this issue NOW or defering it for others to suffer.

 Everyone as you indicate is entitled to their opinion.My opinion is that we have defered our problems to a later date for far  to long and now it is time for everyone ( which includes me ) to dig down deep and do something positive to save our city.

 J. Pat Mc Elligott   
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: caspar on August 08, 2007, 11:02:04 AM


Bullcans,
I have no respect for a person who uses a username getting a persons personal life involved, especially when that person does use their real name! My gosh, what kind of a person are you? I think your response speaks for itself.

That was low and if you have any integrity and stand by what you say, then you would reveal your real name.

You have lost all credibility.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: caspar on August 08, 2007, 12:07:01 PM

When everyone reveals their own name, then I will do the same. Until then, I will say what is correct, and the facts speak for themselves.


Bullcans,
You will reveal your name when everyone else does. Sounds like a coward admitting they were wrong. I don't see others bringing in personal issues against people that use their real names. What you did was wrong and I can only hope that you have nothing to do with city government. You sound worse than the officials and citizens that you bash.

Have a good day and I am done with you and your zero credibility.   
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Ms Sporty on August 08, 2007, 12:30:53 PM
Bullcans,

It's not if the info was right or wrong. The question is why divulge info on someone who uses their name and you do not. Everyone on here has the right and do talk negatively about others. But I think you do cross the line speaking about personal issues about someone who uses their real name. I think that is what Caspar was implying and I agree.I mean it is borderline slanderous. I would say it would be fair game if both used their real names. People could bring up anything about people and even if the info is correct, does that make it right.
I am sure you will come up with another one of your self serving answers. I have figured that out and I am not even into politics.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 11, 2007, 04:06:55 PM
Still doesn't appear to me that there are any qualified local candidates for mayor other than John Ico.  Eat 'em up John.....should be easy pickin's!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 12, 2007, 10:56:36 PM
Still doesn't appear to me that there are any qualified local candidates for mayor other than John Ico.  Eat 'em up John.....should be easy pickin's!

It ain't over until the" Fat Budget" sings a song of relief and fiscal responsibility!!!!
J. Pat Mc Elligott
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: supermom on August 12, 2007, 10:58:41 PM
You want John back in office? Watch your taxes increase!!! He will probably want to improve more parks and let the streets further deteriorate! Go John!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: eaglepride on August 12, 2007, 11:57:19 PM
You want John back in office? Watch your taxes increase!!! He will probably want to improve more parks and let the streets further deteriorate! Go John!


Don't know John, but I don't think the streets deteriorated just in his 2 year term.

I think the street projects are set years ahead of time. Don't know for sure. Do you?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: supermom on August 13, 2007, 12:01:59 AM
You want John back in office? Watch your taxes increase!!! He will probably want to improve more parks and let the streets further deteriorate! Go John!


Don't know John, but I don't think the streets deteriorated just in his 2 year term.

I think the street projects are set years ahead of time. Don't know for sure. Do you?

I know that if he would have spent the tax payers money on fixing the streets instead of on parks that did not need it during his two year term, then less of our streets would need fixing now.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: eaglepride on August 13, 2007, 12:06:01 AM
You want John back in office? Watch your taxes increase!!! He will probably want to improve more parks and let the streets further deteriorate! Go John!


Don't know John, but I don't think the streets deteriorated just in his 2 year term.

I think the street projects are set years ahead of time. Don't know for sure. Do you?

I know that if he would have spent the tax payers money on fixing the streets instead of on parks that did not need it during his two year term, then less of our streets would need fixing now.


Supermom,
Run for mayor, you got my vote.

Out of curiosity, what parks did he fix up?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: supermom on August 13, 2007, 12:17:19 AM
One of the parks is on Monroe Street where the "MONROE" flowers are. Actually, it is now a great place for the skateboarders!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: eaglepride on August 13, 2007, 12:28:46 AM
One of the parks is on Monroe Street where the "MONROE" flowers are. Actually, it is now a great place for the skateboarders!


Let me see, there are 6 counci lmembers and 1 mayor. I think it takes 4 votes. I think that vote was 6-1. Are all 6 incompetent or just John.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 13, 2007, 12:38:37 AM
In an ideal world, people wouldn't mind paying for infrastructure of ALL stripes -- parks, schools, streets. Instead, we get to pick one of three.

Sometimes taxes are necessary.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Mayonnaise on August 13, 2007, 04:50:02 AM
One of the parks is on Monroe Street where the "MONROE" flowers are. Actually, it is now a great place for the skateboarders!
I don't know..... Playing and having a good time somewhere and you know that people are buried there,
to me,  is disrespectful.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Ishkibibl on August 14, 2007, 06:46:41 PM
Wow!  I read in today's MEN that a "Possible" (my terms, not the MEN) candidate for council or Mayor stated that "...he believed that the city could save money if the fire department were not first responders to emergencies.  He said their job should be to fight fires."
  Again:  WOW!!!  If this is the type of leadership you want to lead your community, then shame on you if you vote for him.  If you want to take a chance of waiting 10-15 minutes for any type of emergency medical care, then have at it.
  I guess the income brought in by the fire department transporting is not counted anywhere, so it can be wiped out and never talked about again.  So, no problem there.  And, I guess Monroe would have no problem being on the second fire department in Monroe County that is not a first responder, much less being Advanced life services.  So, take your pick:  3 minute response for an ambulance (according to Clem Hess Vice President of city firefighters union), or 10-15 minute wait for one from who knows where, with no other help at all.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: The Fuzz on August 14, 2007, 07:11:37 PM
That's what I read too!  Had to be a misquote.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 14, 2007, 08:10:19 PM
Wow!  I read in today's MEN that a "Possible" (my terms, not the MEN) candidate for council or Mayor stated that "...he believed that the city could save money if the fire department were not first responders to emergencies.  He said their job should be to fight fires."
  Again:  WOW!!!  If this is the type of leadership you want to lead your community, then shame on you if you vote for him.  If you want to take a chance of waiting 10-15 minutes for any type of emergency medical care, then have at it.
  I guess the income brought in by the fire department transporting is not counted anywhere, so it can be wiped out and never talked about again.  So, no problem there.  And, I guess Monroe would have no problem being on the second fire department in Monroe County that is not a first responder, much less being Advanced life services.  So, take your pick:  3 minute response for an ambulance (according to Clem Hess Vice President of city firefighters union), or 10-15 minute wait for one from who knows where, with no other help at all.

I have always resented "scare tactics " to sway peoples minds as " election rhetoric"  and until I see "solid figures" as to the number of lives that were lost before our firemen undertook the primary role of being first responders and gave us this" superior ambulance service "( we can no longer afford )  they tout as being better then the rest of the county ( which by the way is where they choose to live,obviously puting their own families in jeopardy .)

It is my personal belief that before our firemen became first responders and ambulance personel that the period
 prior to that was not any more of a hazardous time then now.

They say they respond in a few minutes as opposed to several minutes by the county service but they think we must not be able to determine that the county service takes in a lot larger geographic area of response then the city limit area.

The statement has been made that they are a revenue producing department with their billing out of medical treatment but I believe a a lot of these medical bills fall into the area of being uncollectable like court appointed attorney fees .

 Call the billing department of Mercy Memorial and ask them how much medical debt they have to write off as being uncollectable ( are we being led to believe the fire department is more successful then a private agency in collecting bills owed to and I remind ALL : to the taxpaying citizens of Monroe.
   

As I continue to ask questions , I am finding that the firefighters fellow City of Monroe employees are some of the biggest critics of the fire department being over staffed. Why would they say that unless they know something we don't??

I'm all for the fire fighters but their medical treatment should be as a police officer would give first aid and not as a charge of their position to be first responders when we can't afford to have them in that capacity any longer.

I see alot of people being protectionist and making critical statements but not coming up with solutions other then to stay on the same destructive raise taxes and forget the infratructure and capital improvement course we are on.

I will discuss my concerns and solutions with Clem Hess Chief Bert  or anyone else that truly wants to balance our overly in the red check book.

I remind you all that are concerned about this topic . Ed Sell reported last night that IF ALL the recomendations of the OperationalmAssessment were followed , we would still be over a million dollars out of whack with being financially healthy . He used some very conservative figures that I believe will not be factual regarding propert tax growth next year being 2.5% and only a 7 % shrinkage in revenue sharing from the state. Property values and applicable taxes will stay flat or decrease next year and the state will give us less money then projected because they are trying to balance their budget to.

If there is an easier way --Please come forward at the next council meeting and tell us all a better game plan. 
 
 J. Pat Mc Elligott       
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 15, 2007, 12:11:55 AM
Sometimes taxes are necessary.

Spoken like a non taxpayer!
Have you even moved back to Monroe yet? If so, are you renting or buying?

What does it matter? If you want services like road, garbage collection, fire department, and so on, someone has to pay for it. Nothing is free.

If you don't want to pay for it, move to a community that doesn't have any of these things.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 15, 2007, 12:45:52 AM
Quote
What does it matter? If you want services like road, garbage collection, fire department, and so on, someone has to pay for it. Nothing is free.

If you don't want to pay for it, move to a community that doesn't have any of these things.


A non resident, non taxpayer telling a taxpaying resident to move if I don't want to pay! I do pay for it right now. Once you step into the real world of house payments, insurance and taxes, you may change your tune.

*rolls eyes*

Thanks Dad, I'll keep it in mind while I pay my rent, car, insurance, and all the other things grownups do.

Can you hear me from your high horse, or what?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 15, 2007, 11:43:57 AM


*rolls eyes*

Thanks Dad, I'll keep it in mind while I pay my rent, car, insurance, and all the other things grownups do.

Can you hear me from your high horse, or what?


Too bad you don't have to add property taxes and a house payment with maintenance costs and homeowners insurance to your grownup list. Add a college education for your kids also. Possibly then you may think intelligently before you speak of raising the taxes which you take for granted, simply because you don't pay any.
There may soon be many unemployed factory workers in this area, and many who may not be able to afford their current tax bills, much less higher ones. Maybe your landlord should just double your rent, or maybe your car insurance company could double your car insurance, just to improve their own lives. I would think that your grownup response would be one of complaining then.
[/quote]

Or perhaps you should have thought before purchasing a house obviously way outside your means to pay for it. Or perhaps you should have given yourself a financial analysis before you went and had 3 kids. Or maybe you should have done the minimum of research to find a place to move to that didn't have "outrageous" taxes.

The blame game is a fun one to play, isn't it?

People in glass houses, etc. etc...
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Larry on August 15, 2007, 04:59:06 PM
Wow!  I read in today's MEN that a "Possible" (my terms, not the MEN) candidate for council or Mayor stated that "...he believed that the city could save money if the fire department were not first responders to emergencies.  He said their job should be to fight fires."
  Again:  WOW!!!  If this is the type of leadership you want to lead your community, then shame on you if you vote for him.  If you want to take a chance of waiting 10-15 minutes for any type of emergency medical care, then have at it.
  I guess the income brought in by the fire department transporting is not counted anywhere, so it can be wiped out and never talked about again.  So, no problem there.  And, I guess Monroe would have no problem being on the second fire department in Monroe County that is not a first responder, much less being Advanced life services.  So, take your pick:  3 minute response for an ambulance (according to Clem Hess Vice President of city firefighters union), or 10-15 minute wait for one from who knows where, with no other help at all.

I read the same article and I know of the person who made the statement.  That is typical thinking for him.  His thinking is distorted at best.  He is not Mayor material nor is he someone you would want to trust.  He is cunning and manipulative.  He has been in and out of the court system and jail system.  He always twists things around for his own "agenda".   Be ware!
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on August 15, 2007, 08:55:41 PM
might i ask...who is this person you speak of??
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 16, 2007, 12:06:07 AM
might i ask...who is this person you speak of??


I believe Larry is refering to me but then he or she does not have answers relating to the city of Monroe's problems so they have to make false self serving accusations to attack my character.
 
I am a licensed associate Broker Realtor and a Multi Line Insurance agent and have done those professional business within the scope of ethics , honesty and character for approximately 40 years in the Monroe County area.

If I had the kind of problems that" Larry the Liar" asserts I would not be able to continue my licensing in the State of Michigan in such high profile and in such fiduciary capacity as my profession entail.

There will be many rumors attacking my character and I knew this going into the race for mayor because so far I am the only candidate that has consistently tried to address the tough problems with solutions  that were created over the last (2) two decades of leadership  by a philosophy of taking care of everybody EXCEPT the ones that pay the bills for us all ( the taxpayers & business owners of our city.)

If Larry perceives to know me so well then he/ she will know that I ran as a candidate for Precict # 3 in the last election and although I was defeated , I garnered 42% of the votes and lost to a 12 year incumbent without any endorsements from unions the MEN or with very little campaigning.

I guess Larry is not aware that people with a criminal record can't run for public office but then Larry doesn't know a lot about me and feels secure like so many cowards do in taking their shots directed at others in the safe shadows of anonymity ( reminds me of the snipers in the Washington DC / Virginia area a few years back that made an area tremble in fear until they were caught.)

Well Larry---This candidate for mayor does not live in fear of anything that you or anyone else can assert because it will never be given credibility with your real identity .

We have problems within our city government that need to be addressed and they need to be addressed with Honesty-Sensitivity & Full Disclosure .

Agenda -Shirking Responsibilty and not being a team player with the best interest of the Citizens of Monroe at heart  ( specifically the ones paying the bills ) will not be embraced by my administration and an emphasis on bringing us back to a community to move to not away from ( as many of our employees have done.)

My emphasis will be to implement the unbias Operational Assessment in as many areas as feasible and to brainstorm with council, dept. heads , business owners ,residents ,  employees and others seeking to be inclusive to our reincarnation as a key part of being strong and solvent and a city to be proud .Solvency -Restoration of I                 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Ms Sporty on August 16, 2007, 12:12:55 AM
might i ask...who is this person you speak of??


I believe Larry is refering to me but then he or she does not have answers relating to the city of Monroe's problems so they have to make false self serving accusations to attack my character.
 
I am a licensed associate Broker Realtor and a Multi Line Insurance agent and have done those professional business within the scope of ethics , honesty and character for approximately 40 years in the Monroe County area.

If I had the kind of problems that" Larry the Liar" asserts I would not be able to continue my licensing in the State of Michigan in such high profile and in such fiduciary capacity as my profession entail.

There will be many rumors attacking my character and I knew this going into the race for mayor because so far I am the only candidate that has consistently tried to address the tough problems with solutions  that were created over the last (2) two decades of leadership  by a philosophy of taking care of everybody EXCEPT the ones that pay the bills for us all ( the taxpayers & business owners of our city.)

If Larry perceives to know me so well then he/ she will know that I ran as a candidate for Precict # 3 in the last election and although I was defeated , I garnered 42% of the votes and lost to a 12 year incumbent without any endorsements from unions the MEN or with very little campaigning.

I guess Larry is not aware that people with a criminal record can't run for public office but then Larry doesn't know a lot about me and feels secure like so many cowards do in taking their shots directed at others in the safe shadows of anonymity ( reminds me of the snipers in the Washington DC / Virginia area a few years back that made an area tremble in fear until they were caught.)

Well Larry---This candidate for mayor does not live in fear of anything that you or anyone else can assert because it will never be given credibility with your real identity .

We have problems within our city government that need to be addressed and they need to be addressed with Honesty-Sensitivity & Full Disclosure .

Agenda -Shirking Responsibilty and not being a team player with the best interest of the Citizens of Monroe at heart  ( specifically the ones paying the bills ) will not be embraced by my administration and an emphasis on bringing us back to a community to move to not away from ( as many of our employees have done.)

My emphasis will be to implement the unbias Operational Assessment in as many areas as feasible and to brainstorm with council, dept. heads , business owners ,residents ,  employees and others seeking to be inclusive to our reincarnation as a key part of being strong and solvent and a city to be proud .Solvency -Restoration of I                 

Pat,
I wouldn't worry about it. I think most decent people just ignore posters like the so called "Larry". Most don't respect or listen to people who make negative comments about people, especially when they do not use their real name. They must have something to hide. I respect you because you are honest and speak your mind with the research. Those other candidates are probably reading these posts and having their buddies do the dirty work. Or it could actually be one of them.  :o
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 16, 2007, 12:36:32 AM
might i ask...who is this person you speak of??


I believe Larry is refering to me, but then he or she ,does not have answers relating to the city of Monroe's problems so they have to make false self serving accusations to attack my character.
 
I am a licensed associate Broker Realtor and a Multi Line Insurance agent and have done those professional business within the scope of ethics , honesty and character for approximately 40 years serving clients  in the Monroe County area.

If I had the kind of problems that" Larry the Liar" asserts I would not be able to continue my licensing in the State of Michigan in such a  high profile and in such a  fiduciary capacity as my profession entails to the public.

There will be many rumors attacking my character and I knew this going into the race for mayor because so far I am the only candidate that has consistently tried to address the tough problems with solutions  that were created over the last (2) two decades of leadership  by a philosophy of taking care of everybody EXCEPT the ones that pay the bills for us all ( the taxpayers & business owners of our city.)

If Larry perceives to know me so well then he/ she will know that I ran as a candidate for Precict # 3 in the last election and although I was defeated , I garnered 42% of the votes and lost to a 12 year incumbent without any endorsements from unions the MEN or with very little campaigning.

I guess Larry is not aware that people with a criminal record can't run for public office but then Larry doesn't know a lot about me and feels secure like so many cowards do in taking their shots directed at others in the safe shadows of anonymity ( reminds me of the snipers in the Washington DC / Virginia area a few years back that made an area tremble in fear until they were caught.)

Well Larry---This candidate for mayor does not live in fear of anything that you or anyone else can assert or accuse  because it will never be given credibility with your real identity and agenda .

We have problems within our city government that need to be addressed and they need to be addressed with Honesty-Sensitivity & Full Disclosure .

Agenda -Shirking Responsibilty and not being a team player with the best interest of the Citizens of Monroe at heart  ( specifically the ones paying the bills ) will not be embraced by my administration and an emphasis on bringing us back to a community to move to not away from ( as many of our employees have done.)

My emphasis will be to implement the unbias Operational Assessment in as many areas as feasible and to brainstorm with council, dept. heads , business owners ,residents ,  employees and others seeking to be inclusive to our reincarnation as a key part of being strong and solvent and a city to be proud .

Solvency -Restoration of Infrastructure  & Capital Improvement ( Without raising taxes ) will be my priority and the priority that I hope anyone elected or otherwise will also prioritize.

Last I would like to THANK Larry for giving me the platform to explain more to this forum of who I am and what I am about!!!

 If anyone has questions relating to my personal business or character please don't be a coward like Larry who hides in the darkness where TRUTH is never revealed but extend me the courtesy I believe you would want of your accusers and that is to seek me out in private and in the light of knowing who you are so we can satisfy your curiosity or vendetta.

I'm not hard to find because if you can't locate me , otherwise , I attend more council meetings then some on the  council members currently representing us and have for over two years. I care enough about the City of Monroe to invest my research and time to access our problems--now it is time to do something about them.
 Always in the Light of Honesty I Am .
 J.Pat Mc Elligott                     
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 16, 2007, 01:02:03 AM
Thanks for the kind words Ms.Sporty and I didn't mean to mess this thread up by double posting my reply but if" Larry the Liar" would have attacked my computer skills , I would have had to plead guilty. LOL!!!

Sometimes when I'm responding or even posting something , I  hit the wrong key which post my reply before I am through.

It's annoying , but then attending council proceedings over the last two years has prepared me
( somewhat )  for annoying things in my life . LOL!!!

I do not mean to imply that we don't have some good leaders on council and I believe all of them think they are doing the right thing , but some have different priorities then I do and the voters will have a clear choice in mayoral candidates this election based on plans not personality or single issues.

Mayor Al  is a good man and although I feel he has faltered as our mayor , he has always been considerate, courteous  and gracious to me and everyone else even when at times it was very hard to see how he took the abuse that was unwarranted .

I appreciate your concern for our city and if you are a registered voter in the city , I hope you will exercise your right and voice.

Thanks Again--I enjoy reading your post!!

J. Pat Mc Elligott     
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Larry on August 16, 2007, 10:21:38 AM
Hello, 

My name is Larry and I will not devuldge any other information about myself because Pat is a sociopath and I know his MO is to retaliate when someone exposes him for who he is.

I was directed to this web site by a couple of people who are aquainted with Pat.  I have known of him for years but have choosen not to be involved in his psycotic world.  After reading some of his posts, I thought I would inform people of what kind of person they were considering for Mayor.  If you choose to ignore what I have said, so be it.  Your mistake.

As for my reply to J. Pat or Sullivan,  and this is only for him...

"Quote'
I am a licensed associate Broker Realtor and a Multi Line Insurance agent and have done those professional business within the scope of ethics , honesty and character for approximately 40 years serving clients  in the Monroe County area.  "Unquote"

Many people of higher level job positions than yours are crooks and socially enept, get over yourself.   :D  You are your worst enemy and your biggest fan.  You have no Ethics, Honesty or Charcter!  I have no doubt you are good at your profession.  You have a way with words, sometimes, and that is what dazzels people.  As I read your posts, I realize if I didn't know what you were really about, I could be fooled too.

"Ouote"
There will be many rumors attacking my character and I knew this going into the race for mayor because so far I am the only candidate that has consistently tried to address the tough problems with solutions  that were created over the last (2) two decades of leadership  by a philosophy of taking care of everybody EXCEPT the ones that pay the bills for us all ( the taxpayers & business owners of our city.) "Unquote"

What chacter?  You have been in jail many times.  Domestic violence, Misuse of a Communication Device, etc...  Those crimes are not on a felony level though.  A felony is what would keep you from being functional in the political scene.  You have been through the court system many times since moving to Monroe.  "You" are the liar.  You are misleading people with "charm" and with a fake facade perhaps for selfish reasons.  It appears you have followers/victims.  This smacks of the Jim Jones tradgy. 

You never act or preform without an agenda.  I don't know what it is, but I can surely speculate that there is an agenda and it is self-serving.   Skating just under the protection of the law is what you do best.  You know the in's and out's of law and you use it to your benefit, or detriment. 

You have a grandiose sense of self and feel entitled to certain things as "your right."  You have a lack of remorse, shame or guilt and you "get by" by conning others.  I am sorry for you and the people who become your victims. 

Larry


Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: utility slug on August 16, 2007, 10:27:11 AM
Getting kind of nasty here.   Maybe it's time to ease off a bit, boys.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on August 16, 2007, 11:00:06 AM
ohhhhhhhh nooooooooooo slugger!!! the fun is just starting!!!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: utility slug on August 16, 2007, 11:31:17 AM
Alrighty then, let's get after it. :D
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 16, 2007, 03:03:19 PM
Alrighty then, let's get after it. :D


I've never run from responsibility or a fight worth fighting in my life , but" Larry the Liar" still chooses to take his shots at my character from his /her cowardly seat in the shadows so I ask , how can I respond or defend myself when I'm boxing shadows that are afraid of being exposed to the Truth.

This thread is about the city of Monroe's problems and some would like to play the dirty politics game and make accusations they KNOW they can't substantiate and even IF there was a hint of TRUTH  to their claims , how does that relate to the financial path of destruction that the city is on??

I had to chuckle a little as to the headline the MEN heralded : The City of Monroe "might " be out of money ( or something to that affect ) .

Even the MEN leadership wants to diminish and skirt the REAL PROBLEM  here folks just as Larry is trying to divert your attention regarding my agenda.

The City of Monroe IS OUT of money and is spending more then they are taking in , that relates to being" broke" in my books.

Larry has given me a platform opportunity once more and for any that want to ask me anything, my door is always open and I will be very candid in my comments as I know no other way.

Larry thinks I have an agenda and I do!!!

My agenda I will state once more is to do anything I can do personally to" be a part of a team of persons" that truly want the future of the City of Monroe to be better then it's current condition.

How will I attempt to do this??

I have my own three ( 3 ) C plan that goes like this : Cooperation--Collaboration--Conservation and when negotiating to obtain these goals I believe we may need to Compromise.

For the record though : I will never compromise the overall good of the city and residents and I will certainly never compromise who I am and my responsibility to my clients , peers ,friends and my son.

Thanks for taking your time to read and respond --Now let's roll!!
 
J. Pat Mc Elligott   
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Larry on August 16, 2007, 03:43:10 PM
You know, this thread is about the Mayoral Race.  That being the sole reason I became aware of it.  Pat is not Mayor material by any stretch of the imagination.  There is no need to defend yourself against me Pat because there is no defense for you.  I am not your enemy, you are.  I will not banner back and forth.  Your record speaks for itself and I need say no more.  Your agenda will become evident soon.  We will all know what your plan is because you eventually overload yourself with you mouth.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on August 16, 2007, 03:49:26 PM
larry...i see you are from flat rock...are you planning to move into the city of monroe soon?

if not...why are you rambling on?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Larry on August 16, 2007, 04:00:14 PM
larry...i see you are from flat rock...are you planning to move into the city of monroe soon?

if not...why are you rambling on?

I am sorry you feel that way.  If you had knowledge of a dangerous person in the limelight eluding something other than the truth, would you sit back and say nothing.  I think more people should step up to the plate and let it fly...   Then the people can base there opinion on the rest of the story.  My rambling is done.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: the nosh on August 16, 2007, 04:04:11 PM
well then what exactly is the story?
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: Semper Fi on August 16, 2007, 04:05:35 PM
Larry,
You seem to be a shallow, vindictive, cowardly, and mean spirited person. I wonder what people who know you would say about your true character? I think we all know your true character.

I think you are a dangerous person. The scary thing is we don't know who you are. How about turning yourself in?

You have no credibility without posting a real identity. So stop the slander.

Have a good day and hopefully tomorrow is a better day for you.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: utility slug on August 16, 2007, 04:49:37 PM
C'mon boys...play nice. ;D
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: WOW11 on August 16, 2007, 10:56:35 PM
City of Monroe Voters: Please re-read and carefully consider the statements "Larry" has made regarding Pat Mcelligott.  I don't know a thing about Larry personally, but I DO know Pat Mcelligott has a very violent and criminal past. You may wonder "what does this have to do with Mayoral Race?"   He is not emotionally stable enough to be fair or honest by any means.  I am positive one of the first  things he would do if given a chance as Mayor is 1) FIRE his ex-wife (who is a city employee and 2) FIRE her now husband who is also a city employee. And it would be for NO reason other than he literally hates their guts and would take great pride in causing havoc AND TURMOIL in their life. It would have NOTHING to do with "saving" tax payer dollars and NOTHING to do with their perfromance as an employee.  He is that vindictive.  There are many other City employees who should be very worried if he gets in, just based on personality conflict.  He is that dirty.  This may sound harsh to those of you that do not know him. But these words are coming from YEARS of his raging antics.

Also, he has made several comments to the fact that there are City employess who do not live in the City. SO WHAT!!  That has nothing to do with ANYTHING. (especially any budget deficit!!)  There are no employment conditions that say they have to live in the CITY.  Get over it!! I am sure he is aiming this at "ex" who does "NOT" live in the City

Just a little tidbit....Pat also is an advocate for DADS of Michigan...what a joke.  He got his parental rights taken away along time ago for a reason. Domestic violence AND years of extreme mental/verbal abuse of his son are 2 good enough reasons to me.  The County judges all have "his number".  He was not able to pull any wool over their eyes, thankfully. There are many people out here reading this that know his history, I'm sure. So please pass this "discussion" along to your friends. It's very important.

Please don't let this mans "intelligent" talking get into your head.  Just like Larry, I WILL always remain anonymous when dealing with Pat Mcelliott.  I have seen what he can and WILL do to people when he goes into a rage.  It's not worth giving my real name and having to look over my shoulder constantly.  If this message can get at least one person to re-think casting their vote for Pat as mayor, then I have done my job.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 16, 2007, 11:14:04 PM
blah blah blah

Hooray for alt accounts and opinion padding.

I disregard any poster who has exactly 1 post and it's just a personal attack.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: ladyjane on August 16, 2007, 11:18:20 PM
City of Monroe Voters: Please re-read and carefully consider the statements "Larry" has made regarding Pat Mcelligott.  I don't know a thing about Larry personally, but I DO know Pat Mcelligott has a very violent and criminal past. You may wonder "what does this have to do with Mayoral Race?"   He is not emotionally stable enough to be fair or honest by any means.  I am positive one of the first  things he would do if given a chance as Mayor is 1) FIRE his ex-wife (who is a city employee and 2) FIRE her now husband who is also a city employee. And it would be for NO reason other than he literally hates their guts and would take great pride in causing havoc AND TURMOIL in their life. It would have NOTHING to do with "saving" tax payer dollars and NOTHING to do with their perfromance as an employee.  He is that vindictive.  There are many other City employees who should be very worried if he gets in, just based on personality conflict.  He is that dirty.  This may sound harsh to those of you that do not know him. But these words are coming from YEARS of his raging antics.

Also, he has made several comments to the fact that there are City employess who do not live in the City. SO WHAT!!  That has nothing to do with ANYTHING. (especially any budget deficit!!)  There are no employment conditions that say they have to live in the CITY.  Get over it!! I am sure he is aiming this at "ex" who does "NOT" live in the City

Just a little tidbit....Pat also is an advocate for DADS of Michigan...what a joke.  He got his parental rights taken away along time ago for a reason. Domestic violence AND years of extreme mental/verbal abuse of his son are 2 good enough reasons to me.  The County judges all have "his number".  He was not able to pull any wool over their eyes, thankfully. There are many people out here reading this that know his history, I'm sure. So please pass this "discussion" along to your friends. It's very important.

Please don't let this mans "intelligent" talking get into your head.  Just like Larry, I WILL always remain anonymous when dealing with Pat Mcelliott.  I have seen what he can and WILL do to people when he goes into a rage.  It's not worth giving my real name and having to look over my shoulder constantly.  If this message can get at least one person to re-think casting their vote for Pat as mayor, then I have done my job.

After reading that I am going to vote for him for sure and I don't even know him.

Sounds like dirty politics, vindictive behavior, or some one has something to hide.

I do know this, when it comes to their kids, parents will fight for them when they are being done wrong. Sometimes there are also false allegations, so beware of any such cowardly actions.
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: caspar on August 16, 2007, 11:35:33 PM
Things are really getting nasty. Sounds like the good old boys are getting the machine in motion. I have lived my whole life in Monroe. I am half Southern and half Italian. I know how the machine works. Larry and WOW 11 could be related or the same person. I know of Pats ex and new husband. All I can say is WOW! WOW! and WOW!

I was going to vote for one of the candidate's who's last name ends in a vowel. I am leaning towards Pat right now. Might be interesting to see if things would get done.  ;D
 
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: lordfly on August 17, 2007, 12:09:53 AM
Hey guys?

I heard Sullivan punches babies in their faces and burns kittens. One time, he dropkicked a poodle clear across the River Raisin! Plus his mother wears combat boots.

And he smells.

(parody mode off)
Title: Re: Monroe Mayoral Race
Post by: sullivan on August 17, 2007, 12:32:30 AM
For the record and then I will not air dirty laundry on a public forum again.

I am preparing to spend the weekend in Washington DC to meet with other Equal Parenting peers ( of ALL ages , gender and social status )  nationwide to bring an awareness of the public disgrace our family courts have become and that the BEST parent  is BOTH  parents.

Also for the record the organization of which I belong is not called DADS of Michigan  but  DADS & MOMS of Michigan to better relate the INCLUSIVE  message that both parents are important in a child's life and that the devisive and destructive allowance by the family courts and their judges  of PARENTAL ALIENATION must STOP.

 We also encourage DADS to be an active role model as a father to their childen in EVERY way ( I despise "truly " DEAD BEAT DADS  more then most because they reflect badly on the majority of honorable fathers that want to do the right thing by their children.    

It actually amuses me to see how "some people" will go to such extremes and lose any character that they may possess when they decide to attack another's character and fuel the gossip ( and if the story isn't juicy enough) , expand and fabricate it to their liking .

These people are not smart enough to realize that other people they wish to influence with their lies and half truths are smart enough to determine their character and agenda in defaming another.

I THANK  anyone that has or will come to my defense as it was unexpected but appreciated beyond words.

I pretty much knew what I was allowing myself to be confronted with when I announced my candidacy for mayor ,   because there are people that are just "sick and mean spirited" but then, there may be people that are current employees of the city that genuinely feel I am a threat to their job or position.

To those people ( which includes any that I may have had differences with ) I say your job ( which is protected by contract ) is as secure with me as it would be with anyone that may fill the mayor's seat as long as you comply to doing what you should based upon your department head, not me.

I am the only candidate at this point that has been very vocal about saving jobs by "saving the city"
from the destructive path it is on.

 I will not turn my head and ignore the areas spelled out for the city to "start " the life saving financial resusciatation that has been spelled out by others employed to give us a remedy to financial  health . If there is any threat to any jobs or the future positive progress of our city --it will come from those that elect to IGNORE the professional opinion we paid  for and not offer workable alternative solutions .

If some wish to wring their hands , gossip and think that I have created the problems of our past as a city then IF that serves your agenda and vendetta ,so be it!! At the end of the day----we will still have the problems that beset us.

I encourage ALL employees to " think outside the box " and work with department heads and the current administration to be problem solvers .

 I have a sticker on my computer that reminds me daily : Don't Make Excuses --Make Improvements. By Failing To Plan We Are Planning To Fail !!!

J. Pat Mc Elligott