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Categories => Politics and Government => Topic started by: BigRedDog on December 27, 2013, 09:17:09 AM

Title: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 27, 2013, 09:17:09 AM
Before I get to the 2 new ones, I want to ask yet again just when they will have the 'GPS tracking' available for the public?  It was probably a year ago that Wayne county made their system live to the public and it seems to be working fine.  But in Monroe County we seem to have a system that's been paid for (from the few news accounts I've seen) and it still doesn't work right.  Has anyone asked for a refund and we'll just use whatever Wayne County is using?

Gripe # 1.  The Monroe County Road Commission will be involved in the county wide Christmas tree recycling program 'again' this year.  On it's face this sounds great...   and I think it would be great IF all the roads in the county were repaired and salted and plowed in a 'timely manner' every time it snows.  But that is not happening and I don't see where it will be happening anytime in the near future...

But, the MCRC I 'assume' is going to be picking up all these trees from around the county and transporting them to a central location (the article is not clear on details so I'm making some assumptions base on just general knowledge) in the county. 

How much in 'wages' will this cost?

How much longer will I have to wait to get my road plowed due to the time spent on this?

What will it cost in fuel, truck wear and tear, etc. for this?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of the concept of recycling the trees but I just don't think the Road Commission should be involved in it until they have things taken care of over in their 'house' :( :( :(

Gripe # 2.  We drove to Toledo Monday afternoon (Christmas eve).  We took Telegraph down and Dixie Highway back home.  As we were heading south on Telegraph at the scales (near the LaSalle - Erie line) I noticed an almost new 'New Holland' tractor with a mower just sitting at the scales.  It appeared to have been sitting there for some time as there weren't any recent tracks in the snow or the frozen mud that was there.  Then on the way home on the Dixie we saw another one.  Now, I can't be 100% sure these are MCRC vehicles and the next time I go that way I'll stop and take some pictures to verify that.  I'm going partly on the theory that if they belonged to a contractor then they would be sitting inside somewhere and not subject to weathering and possible vandalism.  I know in years past most tractors only had a few keys necessary to start all of them (and actually a screwdriver would work pretty good if you knew how to use it)!  I've lost track of what some of this equipment costs these days but I'm sure between the two tractors and mowers we're looking at a couple of hundred thousand dollars of Monroe County taxpayer money. 

Why are they just sitting outside at the end of December?

Are they still mowing roadsides in the county?

Are they going to sit outside all winter?

Are these the only two tractors in the county sitting along the roads like this ??? ??? ???


My original topic name for this thread was:  My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!

Since the thread has literally morphed into 'all things' about the MCRC it has been suggested I 're-name' the thread and I agree it's time...

So :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 27, 2013, 09:22:24 AM
Here's a link to a recent article on the tracking for the Wayne County snow plows:

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/track-the-snow-plows--salt-trucks-wayne-county-crews-called-in-to-battle-snowy-christmas-roads (http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/track-the-snow-plows--salt-trucks-wayne-county-crews-called-in-to-battle-snowy-christmas-roads)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 27, 2013, 09:25:45 AM
Here's the article on the tree recycling:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/dec/26/sites-offer-yule-tree-recycling-drop-offs/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/dec/26/sites-offer-yule-tree-recycling-drop-offs/)

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The Monroe County Recycling & Green Community Program, the Monroe County Road Commission and participating local municipalities are combining efforts to offer the service free to all county residents while protecting the environment from burning the trees or disposing of them in a landfill, organizers said.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on December 27, 2013, 09:46:49 AM
I still struggle to even understand the need for the commission to be perfectly honest with you BRD!  The County was on the right track IMO when they were looking at absorbing it into existing government structure where they could have saved a hundred grand or so.

The gripe back then was that there was no accountability having the road commission operate independently, and I still think that is the case.  Are these elected commissioners really involved in the day to day operations, or is it as I suspect where the prisoners are running the ship.

The paving and snow removal projects at a loss to the county taxpayers still just does not sit with right.  I recall Jerry Oley supporting it as a commissioner and now the top dog....and why he doesn't get my vote out of this precinct. 

Macomb County got rid of their road commission and the savings was in the millions....now granted that is a much more populous county than ours, but the concept was the same.

I understood the arguments for keeping it in tact, especially the support it had from the county union representing these guys.....understood, didn't concur. 

Just doesn't appear to be working to me and I still wouldn't mind seeing another push to absolve it.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on December 27, 2013, 09:48:41 AM
Your two questions are very good ones, BRD.

I frequently see a couple "new" New Holland tractors with boom mowers on them, parked on the side of the road.  I have NEVER seen them working.  I was told these tractors are for mowing ditches near intersections, to keep the view clear at stop signs.  I usually see them parked on the corner of Plank road and Ostrander in the summer.  My guess is they are county-owned.  Our township contracts out the mowing of the ditches (that guy uses Case IH tractors), which is a waste of money, since they are required to mow the ENTIRE ditch every three years, and make two passes every three years, and make one pass every three years.  Each year, however, they only make one pass.  NEVER has my ditch been mowed, unless I did it.  Our Board of Trustees isn't worth two dead flies.  But that's another subject.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on December 27, 2013, 09:49:45 AM
Eliminate the commission!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on December 27, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
I'll buy one of those New Holland tractors off of them!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 27, 2013, 10:03:05 AM
Geeze Live...you sure have a good opinion about your TWP board but thats another subject.....

I think everyone on this site knows my position concerning the MCRC.  I've always maintained that it is nothing more than a repository for 'good old boys' to roost in and squander tax dollars and live out their not so useful lives away from the political limelight....  kind of like being the Sherriff of Monroe County......

We all live pretty close to Ohio and driving south across the border yields a remarkable change (for the better) in road surface quality, maintenance and snow removal and Ohio don't have 'Road Comissions', exceuse me, repositories for good old boys to squander tax payer's money......

I rest my case.

Like Fuzz said and I maintain, they need to go, all of them.  They've gotten marginally better over the years (at actually doing something productive), but I won't live loing enough to see them actually attain a level of competence that Ohio has has, all along.

Finally. the blue New Holland's with the side mounts are all MCRC (Taxpayer) owned.  Put a screwdriver in the ignition (actually, a paper clip will work) and drive one home.  It's safer in your yard than alongside the road..........

...and they probably won't miss it until spring because they probably don't know where they are at in the first place. ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 27, 2013, 10:05:48 AM
I'll buy one of those New Holland tractors off of them!

Do you have a 'round number' idea of what ONE of those tractor / mower combinations would cost new?

I'll tell you one thing...  if I had a brand new tractor it sure wouldn't be sitting outside along the road (I realize that taking it back to the garage every night in the summer isn't reasonable but in the winter it seems like it would be)!!! 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 27, 2013, 10:06:09 AM
I'll buy one of those New Holland tractors off of them!

If you got one, I'm sure the maintenance records are non-existent and you'll probably have to shovel the crap out of the cab.  MCRC workers don't give a hoot (for the most part) about the equipment.  I say most, not all.  I happen to know a couple......
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 27, 2013, 10:07:55 AM
Geeze Live...you sure have a good opinion about your TWP board but thats another subject.....

I think everyone on this site knows my position concerning the MCRC.  I've always maintained that it is nothing more than a repository for 'good old boys' to roost in and squander tax dollars and live out their not so useful lives away from the political limelight....  kind of like being the Sherriff of Monroe County......

We all live pretty close to Ohio and driving south across the border yields a remarkable change (for the better) in road surface quality, maintenance and snow removal and Ohio don't have 'Road Comissions', exceuse me, repositories for good old boys to squander tax payer's money......

I rest my case.

Like Fuzz said and I maintain, they need to go, all of them.  They've gotten marginally better over the years (at actually doing something productive), but I won't live loing enough to see them actually attain a level of competence that Ohio has has, all along.

Finally. the blue New Holland's with the side mounts are all MCRC (Taxpayer) owned.  Put a screwdriver in the ignition (actually, a paper clip will work) and drive one home.  It's safer in your yard than alongside the road..........

...and they probably won't miss it until spring because they probably don't know where they are at in the first place. ;D

They'd know where they were if they had the GPS transmitters working on them 8* 8* 8* ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 27, 2013, 10:08:39 AM
Do you have a 'round number' idea of what ONE of those tractor / mower combinations would cost new?

I'll tell you one thing...  if I had a brand new tractor it sure wouldn't be sitting outside along the road (I realize that taking it back to the garage every night in the summer isn't reasonable but in the winter it seems like it would be)!!!

Those are large frame TC's or TD's with the sidemounts, so about a buck twenty each.  I can find out exactly what they costed out at. I do, do business with that dealer btw.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 27, 2013, 10:12:19 AM
They'd know where they were if they had the GPS transmitters working on them 8* 8* 8* ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D

According to Stammer, they don't work which I find interesting in as much as all 85 of our company trucks have a similar system installed and I can sit right here on this laptop and log into the program and locate each and every one of them and go to 'Goggle Earth View' in real time and get the topo view of each unit, where it's sitting plus I can message each and everyone individually at my discretion.

I think Stammer has been drinking the Kool-Aid like the rest.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 27, 2013, 10:13:30 AM
They must get a 'deal' on the Kool-Aid down at the MCRC office...... ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on December 27, 2013, 10:14:14 AM
I want to ask yet again just when they will have the 'GPS tracking' available for the public?  It was probably a year ago that Wayne county made their system live to the public and it seems to be working fine.  But in Monroe County we seem to have a system that's been paid for (from the few news accounts I've seen) and it still doesn't work right.  Has anyone asked for a refund and we'll just use whatever Wayne County is using?
 ??? ???


If I remember right, several years ago when the county upgraded the Sheriff/Fire/Police radio system, didn't we have a similar scenario. A lot of money was spent and then it took a couple years to get it working correctly. And to tell the truth, I'm not sure it's still trouble free.  I'm pretty sure there are still areas with weak signal strength. Maybe it's all the mountains we have within the county.

I think the Lambertville area might be our own little "radio signal black hole.". Scanner can't pick up Toledo City Police and Verizon can't get a phone signal in or out.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 27, 2013, 10:14:47 AM
According to this article from The Blade the Monroe County trees will be chipped.  I wonder if that will be done by the MCRC staff and equipment too ??? ??? ???

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/12/27/Tree-disposal-is-sticky-postholiday-decision.html (http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/12/27/Tree-disposal-is-sticky-postholiday-decision.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 27, 2013, 10:17:49 AM

If I remember right, several years ago when the county upgraded the Sheriff/Fire/Police radio system, didn't we have a similar scenario. A lot of money was spent and then it took a couple years to get it working correctly. And to tell the truth, I'm not sure it's still trouble free.  I'm pretty sure there are still areas with weak signal strength. Maybe it's all the mountains we have within the county.

I think the Lambertville area might be our own little "radio signal black hole.". Scanner can't pick up Toledo City Police and Verizon can't get a phone signal in or out.

The 'important' factor is that the county pay$$$ for the $y$tem and then the department head$ collect their under the table graft :( :( :(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 27, 2013, 10:21:23 AM
According to this article from The Blade the Monroe County trees will be chipped.  I wonder if that will be done by the MCRC staff and equipment too ??? ??? ???

[url]http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/12/27/Tree-disposal-is-sticky-postholiday-decision.html[/url] ([url]http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/12/27/Tree-disposal-is-sticky-postholiday-decision.html[/url])


No.  That place on Dunbar between Telegraph and the tracks will do ot.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 27, 2013, 10:23:17 AM
The 'important' factor is that the county pay$$$ for the $y$tem and then the department head$ collect their under the table graft :( :( :(

Typical government.  That applies up to and including Ovomit.  He's just more open (and arrogant) about it.  He just goes a perpetual vacation...on our dime.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 28, 2013, 08:55:21 AM
No.  That place on Dunbar between Telegraph and the tracks will do ot.

Jack's Lawn Service

I was in there getting some mower parts this summer and he had a chipper shredder he was working on that must have been 40 ft long.  Not sure if it was his or if they were doing the work for someone.

As recently as a few years ago he had a contract with the city to handle their yard waste recycling which they do on some of the Port of Monroe property out along 75. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 28, 2013, 09:07:38 AM
These first few are of the tractor at the scale house on Telegraph Road.  I got out of the car and walked all around it and I would say it hasn't moved in several weeks.

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/PC270033_zpse83d2fd1.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/PC270033_zpse83d2fd1.jpg.html)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/PC270034_zps51e97ca6.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/PC270034_zps51e97ca6.jpg.html)

This one eliminated any questions about who this tractor belongs to...  the taxpayers of Monroe County, Michigan!!!
(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/PC270036_zpse4ce6135.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/PC270036_zpse4ce6135.jpg.html)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/PC270037_zps7e7e4c9f.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/PC270037_zps7e7e4c9f.jpg.html)

Then we drove another 'long' mile (by road...   a lot closer 'as the crow flies') to the SW corner of Rauch and M125...  here's the other tractor:
(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/PC270038_zps8012dbed.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/PC270038_zps8012dbed.jpg.html)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/PC270039_zps8c715bce.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/PC270039_zps8c715bce.jpg.html)

When they finally get around to picking this one up they better take an air compressor along 8* 8* 8*
(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/PC270040_zps14d46a77.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/PC270040_zps14d46a77.jpg.html)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/PC270041_zps3e40ac92.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/PC270041_zps3e40ac92.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on December 28, 2013, 09:13:09 AM
Your tax dollars at work.  8*
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 28, 2013, 09:16:29 AM
Your tax dollars at work.  8*

My wife commented that it almost looked like they'd left the one at the scale house just so anyone with a big trailer could load it up and haul it off to who knows where...   the big tractor chop shop in the sky!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Quality maintenance abounds on both....lol

Looks like neither have seen a grease gun in ages, wonder what the oil looks like, on second thought, don't want to know.....

Probably trashed inside too.  I see the tires are in the stages of dry rot.

I see their trucks ocassionally in the shop.  They beat the heck out of them.  Interestingly, they now spec them with Allisons.  Seems as though the employees can't shift a standard or use a clutch, which isn't all bad.  Allisons are bullet proof so long as you change the fluid and filters on schedule, which, I'm pretty sure they don't.....  (just look at the condition of the mower-tractors.)

Probably a little known fact but their plow trucks can't meet the frost law requirements (when in force) in Monroe County.  Too heavy.

That don't matter however because Michigan Frost Laws, in general, are nothing more than a revenue collector, a means for law enforcement extract money from your wallet...like so many other inane laws.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on December 28, 2013, 09:47:57 AM
Our tax dollars at work!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on December 28, 2013, 09:49:39 AM

If I remember right, several years ago when the county upgraded the Sheriff/Fire/Police radio system, didn't we have a similar scenario. A lot of money was spent and then it took a couple years to get it working correctly. And to tell the truth, I'm not sure it's still trouble free.  I'm pretty sure there are still areas with weak signal strength. Maybe it's all the mountains we have within the county.

I think the Lambertville area might be our own little "radio signal black hole.". Scanner can't pick up Toledo City Police and Verizon can't get a phone signal in or out.


Actually you are referring to joining the Statewide 800MHz system, and yes at the inception they needed an additional tower - which has since been incorporated, along with one in the Toledo area.

Monroe County elevation in the South part of the county is lower, and thus the radio signals were always a problem "down there"...

I did notice losing my cell signal in the area on my way Christmas shopping last week...   so the cellular coverage likely needs a tower in the area - (I'd be lobbying if I had land)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 28, 2013, 09:51:13 AM
I like Josie the Outlaw's philosophy but in reality, it won't work because I don't like incarceration or jsil cusine.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 28, 2013, 09:55:55 AM
Actually you are referring to joining the Statewide 800MHz system, and yes at the inception they needed an additional tower - which has since been incorporated, along with one in the Toledo area.

Monroe County elevation in the South part of the county is lower, and thus the radio signals were always a problem "down there"...

I did notice losing my cell signal in the area on my way Christmas shopping last week...   so the cellular coverage likely needs a tower in the area - (I'd be lobbying if I had land)

I remember Blue2 commenting on some of the restrictions in Bedford township on cell towers.  Apparently they're being successful in keeping them out of the area. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 28, 2013, 09:59:42 AM
When I think of that area, I think of the screwing that a certain Ford dealer got.  Typical small town political BS.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on December 28, 2013, 10:02:29 AM
When I think of that area, I think of the screwing that a certain Ford dealer got.  Typical small town political BS.

Yes it was!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on December 28, 2013, 10:38:29 AM
When I think of that area, I think of the screwing that a certain Ford dealer got.  Typical small town political BS.

Hey that area is still growing (weeds)... 
isn't that much better than having a tax base  8*

They turned on the Whitman's so fast - the dealership went under - but at least the college will have the name to remind people of what used to be.
   
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 28, 2013, 05:06:35 PM
Hey that area is still growing (weeds)... 
isn't that much better than having a tax base  8*

They turned on the Whitman's so fast - the dealership went under - but at least the college will have the name to remind people of what used to be.
 

I'm sure the Whitman family regrets donating the land.  Here you have a generous family and a township that cares less.

Weeds sure pay taxes.....not.

That was major stupid but it's hard to expect brilliance when personal interests come into play in local politics.  Sort of like the Road Commish.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 12, 2014, 10:56:31 AM
Just an update...

I actually posted these 'thoughts' in a couple of other threads but I guess they really belong here too!

The mower at the Telegraph Road scales was still sitting there as of late Friday afternoon so I have no reason to believe it's been moved in out of the weather...   and I have no reason to believe the one at Rauch and Dixie has been moved either.

The recent articles in the paper mentioned that tax revenue has decreased over the last few years so they can't purchase new equipment which makes it seem to me even more logical that they should be taking better care of what the already have...  not letting it set out in the weather or where it can be stripped for scrap steel :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 11:02:16 AM
Which is why I think outsourcing makes more sense than the county buying equipment they are obviously not taking care of to be run by high dollar union labor.....

You could outsource the road maintenance, the plowing, the engineering.

All you need is a staff to administer the prioritization of the projects, handle the bids, and inspect the performance.

What we have is obviously not working.

Lets think outside the box.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 12, 2014, 11:12:57 AM
Which is why I think outsourcing makes more sense than the county buying equipment they are obviously not taking care of to be run by high dollar union labor.....

You could outsource the road maintenance, the plowing, the engineering.

All you need is a staff to administer the prioritization of the projects, handle the bids, and inspect the performance.

What we have is obviously not working.

Lets think outside the box.

Any idea how many 'snow states' are already using a model like you propose?

Summer time mowing and maintenance and new builds would probably fit pretty good into your model...

but what happens in the winter time when you go 2 winters in a row with nothing and then get socked in like we did last week. 

Does the county pay a flat rate per winter and then the contractor makes out good for 2 years and then just runs to the courthouse and files bankruptcy as soon as the polar vortex pops up on the weather channel ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 12, 2014, 11:19:02 AM
Which is why I think outsourcing makes more sense than the county buying equipment they are obviously not taking care of to be run by high dollar union labor.....

You could outsource the road maintenance, the plowing, the engineering.

All you need is a staff to administer the prioritization of the projects, handle the bids, and inspect the performance.

What we have is obviously not working.

Lets think outside the box.

BUT YOU CAN'T OUTSOURCE, MCRC WON'T ALLOW IT....................

Normal intellegent people might (think outside the box) but, that won't work, simply because many years ago, checks were installed (by the then hierarchy of the MCRC) that eliminates outside contractors for most all tasks (I posted about that in a previous post on the other thread, or maybe it was this one).  Again, there are rules, regulations and procedural roadblocks set in stone (written and filed in a room at the headquarters building on Telegraph Road, that eliminate or curtail outside contractors doing work on county roads and highways.

The MCRC wanted to insure that they and only the MCRC would be able to perform duties like snowplowing and basic road maintainence, unless the 'outside contractors' were acquired directly by the MCRC (like the Stoneco Loaders were this time).

That way, the MCRC has basically a 'no bid for work performed' agreement with townships on maintenance and can charge any amount they want to and adhere to the requirements and stipulations set forth in those tennents tucked away in the office (that, by the way, no one has access to except the engineering staff at the MCRC, no public access is allowed and they have never been published anywhere in any newspaper or displayed for the public to read, so no one really knows what the requirements actually are otherf than how the MCRC intreprets them.....

It's all very interesting and it's all perpetuated by your elected (County Comissioners) and now the elected Road Board (somethiong I find humorous and disdgusting at the same time....)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
Does the county pay a flat rate per winter and then the contractor makes out good for 2 years and then just runs to the courthouse and files bankruptcy as soon as the polar vortex pops up on the weather channel ??? ??? ???

That is a good question, and there a many ways you could structure a contract.

I would think it would be a combination - so many hours of maintenance - whether that be snow removal, ditch mowing, whatever, with riders for additional time.

If you are running out of hours the County Board needs to make a decision on how to reallocate the resources - maybe a road project gets delayed a fiscal year because the plowing costs were high one winter.

I think it has been demonstrated many times now that for profit companies tend to deliver services more efficiently than governmental units can.

I just want the most return for my tax dollars.  I'd be far more willing to vote for a tax millage increase if I thought I was getting a return on what I was paying now.

I voted FOR the bridge millage in the city because I know they are being frugal and stretching the tax dollars as far as they will go.  I don't see that same situation in the county.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 11:35:10 AM
BUT YOU CAN'T OUTSOURCE, MCRC WON'T ALLOW IT....................

Normal intellegent people might (think outside the box) but, that won't work, simply because many years ago, checks were installed (by the then hierarchy of the MCRC) that eliminates outside contractors for most all tasks (I posted about that in a previous post on the other thread, or maybe it was this one).  Again, there are rules, regulations and procedural roadblocks set in stone (written and filed in a room at the headquarters building on Telegraph Road, that eliminate or curtail outside contractors doing work on county roads and highways.

The MCRC wanted to insure that they and only the MCRC would be able to perform duties like snowplowing and basic road maintainence, unless the 'outside contractors' were acquired directly by the MCRC (like the Stoneco Loaders were this time).

That way, the MCRC has basically a 'no bid for work performed' agreement with townships on maintenance and can charge any amount they want to and adhere to the requirements and stipulations set forth in those tennents tucked away in the office (that, by the way, no one has access to except the engineering staff at the MCRC, no public access is allowed and they have never been published anywhere in any newspaper or displayed for the public to read, so no one really knows what the requirements actually are otherf than how the MCRC intreprets them.....

It's all very interesting and it's all perpetuated by your elected (County Comissioners) and now the elected Road Board (somethiong I find humorous and disdgusting at the same time....)

And how did that happen Flip?

You and I both know that a special interest group wrote those rules to protect themselves.

They controlled the union, and they controlled the board.

Those rules weren't written in the interest of the Citizens of the County of Monroe.

The were written to protect a very limited number of people who are in the employ of the County of Monroe, and specifically the Monroe County Road Commission.  This happy band of workers are currently led by Professional Boxer Bronco McKart, Union Rep - fighting for himself and his.

What we need is the Scott Walker of Monroe County to **** can that list of rules and streamline the organization and make it run efficiently.

Outsourcing the functions would end the stupidity more or less immediately, and yes - that book of rules written by the union for the union would have to be thrown out for that to happen.

Until then we will get the level of service we deserve, and giving them more money would only result in more of the same.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 12, 2014, 11:56:34 AM
That is a good question, and there a many ways you could structure a contract.

I would think it would be a combination - so many hours of maintenance - whether that be snow removal, ditch mowing, whatever, with riders for additional time.

If you are running out of hours the County Board needs to make a decision on how to reallocate the resources - maybe a road project gets delayed a fiscal year because the plowing costs were high one winter.

I think it has been demonstrated many times now that for profit companies tend to deliver services more efficiently than governmental units can.

I just want the most return for my tax dollars.  I'd be far more willing to vote for a tax millage increase if I thought I was getting a return on what I was paying now.

I voted FOR the bridge millage in the city because I know they are being frugal and stretching the tax dollars as far as they will go.  I don't see that same situation in the county.

Again:

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Any idea how many 'snow states' are already using a model like you propose?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
Nope.  Any idea?

I do know that contractors are used to supplement road commissions and cities for snow removal.

I do know that contractors are used for road reconstruction - the city doesn't do any of their own - they just bid the work out.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 12, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
Nope.  Any idea?

I do know that contractors are used to supplement road commissions and cities for snow removal.

I do know that contractors are used for road reconstruction - the city doesn't do any of their own - they just bid the work out.

I'm not aware of a single one...   

I do see that it could possibly work with summer maintenance and road building but the problem I see is in the wintertime and dealing with widely varying amounts of snow from one winter to the next.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 12:18:36 PM
I'm not aware of a single one...   

I do see that it could possibly work with summer maintenance and road building but the problem I see is in the wintertime and dealing with widely varying amounts of snow from one winter to the next.

Don't you have that issue no matter what?

You have to capacitize for a certain type and number of storm events no matter who does the work.

The way we do it now you have a large amount of labor and equipment and legacy costs associated with how it is done. 

Why not capacitize with a company that can provide that services when you need it, and its their business to utilize it efficiently the rest of the time?

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 12:25:24 PM
Think about it Dog.....

Perhaps it isn't one big contractor.

Maybe Flip contracts to clear roads A, B, C, D and E for the next 10 years.  He gets a fixed amount per year for agreeing to do it, and a variable amount per storm based on the factors of snow, drifting, fuel usage, whatever.  He has to guarantee a certain delivery of service - the road has to be passable.

He goes out and buys a tractor that he needs to farm anyway, and he has his big old blower that he has that he can mount to the front of it.  He gets a salt spreader to put on the back of it.

He isn't doing any farming in the winter....  tractor is just sitting there.....  equipment gets mounted up in the winter....

It starts snowing he takes care of his quadrant.

It doesn't have to be one giant contractor with a giant operation and lots of people sitting around.  It can be independent contractors.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 12, 2014, 12:30:07 PM
The MCRC's main priority is to maintain the jobs of the 40 or 50 workers they have and God knows how many supervisors.
There will still be work to be done so it's not like they can't get a job.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
The MCRC's main priority is to maintain the jobs of the 40 or 50 workers they have and God knows how many supervisors.
There will still be work to be done so it's not like they can't get a job.

And that is the issue....

The main purpose of the MCRC is not to provide smooth, clear roads for the citizens of Monroe.

It is to provide employment and retirement benefits for X number of employees into perpetuity.

Clearly the roads are a nuisance to those individuals lifestyle.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Mayonnaise on January 12, 2014, 12:41:45 PM
My 'gripes' were besides not dropping the plow on the roads when needed.
But, plowing the center turn lanes and clearing the curbs at turns.
I was out everyday during most of the days of the storm to get things and take the wife to work. During those times, I did not see one MCRC truck where I live on the west side of Monroe to where I drove the wife to work around the Detroit Beach area. It was take it easy and drive in some tire tracks and hope for the best.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: NewDawn on January 12, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
Question: Would it be a conflict of interest or whatever else it might be called, for the MCRC vice chairman Davidson to have his brother in law (McKart) as spokesperson for their union? Anyone know anything about how the rules go?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 12:50:23 PM
Question: Would it be a conflict of interest or whatever else it might be called, for the MCRC vice chairman Davidson to have his brother in law (McKart) as spokesperson for their union? Anyone know anything about how the rules go?

Of course its a conflict of interest!

Do you think this game is fair?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: NewDawn on January 12, 2014, 12:52:04 PM
BRD. That tractor in question on S. Telegraph by the old Erie post, has been sitting idle there since last October. 

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 12, 2014, 02:05:18 PM
Question: Would it be a conflict of interest or whatever else it might be called, for the MCRC vice chairman Davidson to have his brother in law (McKart) as spokesperson for their union? Anyone know anything about how the rules go?
Maybe that's how Davidson is getting the pension board position, so he can go on those pension board trips as part of the perks package...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 02:13:00 PM
I am guessing this poor guy is in the hospital because the MCRC didn't fully clear the snow from the shoulder - so he was too close to the travel lane as he put gas in this vehicle.

I insist Eric Holder open up a corruption investigation of the MCRC.

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A 37-year-old towing operator is in critical condition at a Toledo hospital following severe back injuries he suffered after being struck by a hit-and-run semi-truck Saturday night while assisting a motorist who ran out of gas on northbound I-75 just south of S. Otter Creek Rd. in LaSalle Township. #The accident happened about 8:30 p.m. Saturday. Steven Johnson, the operator, was putting gas into the motorist’s vehicle when the semi drove past him so fast that he reportedly was swung completely around and flung against the front hood of the tow truck. The semi struck the mirror of the tow truck and apparently kept going without stopping, it was reported by his wife on Facebook. #Mr. Johnson suffered six broken vertebras in his back and underwent emergency surgery Saturday at St. Vincent Mercy Medical Center, according to Mrs. Johnson. This morning, he was having trouble breathing, his wife said. #The family is looking for clues and anyone who saw anything about the incident. #The Monroe County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the accident. Detective Sgt. Jeff Pauli said anyone who knows something about the accident is asked to call the sheriff’s office at 240-7700.

Read more at: [url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/jan/12/towing-operator-critical-condition-after-hit-and-r/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/jan/12/towing-operator-critical-condition-after-hit-and-r/[/url])
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 12, 2014, 04:12:06 PM
The semi driver probably didn't know he lopped the mirror off the truck.  A tractor trailer is a whole lot bigger and noisier inside than a car is....and the driver was probably concentrating on keeping his rig straight and out of the ditch.....

Candidly, if you were next to me in a pickup truck or a car, I wouldn't know you were there other than me sensing it and most trucks have a big blind spot between the front bumper and the drive wheels anyway.  Good to keep in mind when passing a tractor trailer, even on dry pavement.  Never hang next to a truck, ever.

The tow driver should have not been that close to the travel lane.  Common sense tells you that.

Not making excuses for anyone, thats just the way it works.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 12, 2014, 04:13:57 PM
Of course its a conflict of interest!

Do you think this game is fair?

I knew McKart didn't walk in off the street and apply for a job.  Typical MCRC good old boy crap.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 12, 2014, 04:22:12 PM
I actually think McKart was working at the Road Commission before Davison was appointed as a new Road Commissioner.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 12, 2014, 04:29:44 PM
I actually think McKart was working at the Road Commission before Davison was appointed as a new Road Commissioner.

If so, at least 2 hours out of every eight.............. ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 04:29:54 PM
The semi driver probably didn't know he lopped the mirror off the truck.  A tractor trailer is a whole lot bigger and noisier inside than a car is....and the driver was probably concentrating on keeping his rig straight and out of the ditch.....

Candidly, if you were next to me in a pickup truck or a car, I wouldn't know you were there other than me sensing it and most trucks have a big blind spot between the front bumper and the drive wheels anyway.  Good to keep in mind when passing a tractor trailer, even on dry pavement.  Never hang next to a truck, ever.

The tow driver should have not been that close to the travel lane.  Common sense tells you that.

Not making excuses for anyone, thats just the way it works.

I have no doubt the semi driver didn't know anything happened.

I'm sure the car wasn't as far off the road as it should have been due to the MCRC not cleaning off the shoulder.

I feel terrible for the tow truck driver.  Lousy break because of the stupid road commission.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 12, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
I have no doubt the semi driver didn't know anything happened.

I'm sure the car wasn't as far off the road as it should have been due to the MCRC not cleaning off the shoulder.

I feel terrible for the tow truck driver.  Lousy break because of the stupid road commission.

I'm not going to blame that in the road commish.  I blame that on the tow driver's lack of common sense to stay away from the driven lane.

Like when you get the mail from your mailbox (rural).  You don't stand in front of the box and look at your mail while cars are coming down the road, you get out of the right of way.  Same appllies here.  I feel for him but thats contributory negligence on his part (aka:  common sense).  Nothing more.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 12, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
First question.
 Who goes out in this kind of weather especially on an intertstate with no gas in their car?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 06:12:08 PM
First question.
 Who goes out in this kind of weather especially on an intertstate with no gas in their car?

Someone who is trying to get to Toledo to buy "cheap" gas......  and wants to get there on fumes so they can spend as much Michigan money for Ohio roads as possible.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Hearshear on January 12, 2014, 06:18:01 PM
That is a good question, and there a many ways you could structure a contract.

I would think it would be a combination - so many hours of maintenance - whether that be snow removal, ditch mowing, whatever, with riders for additional time.

If you are running out of hours the County Board needs to make a decision on how to reallocate the resources - maybe a road project gets delayed a fiscal year because the plowing costs were high one winter.

I think it has been demonstrated many times now that for profit companies tend to deliver services more efficiently than governmental units can.

I just want the most return for my tax dollars.  I'd be far more willing to vote for a tax millage increase if I thought I was getting a return on what I was paying now.

I voted FOR the bridge millage in the city because I know they are being frugal and stretching the tax dollars as far as they will go.  I don't see that same situation in the county.
I believe if you were to look back at the situation with the Macomb st. Bridge the city paid significantly more to the contractor than was originally bid. They didn't bother to award the contract in the time line specified and the contractor said because of the additional time the cost would be more. If I remember correctly somewhere near one million dollars. That is not frugal.
Yet it is a clear example of how government works under a Clark/brown leadership model. Any questions see Pat Lewis. This do nothing government at it's worst.
Bet you have a problem with it now.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 06:37:54 PM
I believe if you were to look back at the situation with the Macomb st. Bridge the city paid significantly more to the contractor than was originally bid. They didn't bother to award the contract in the time line specified and the contractor said because of the additional time the cost would be more. If I remember correctly somewhere near one million dollars. That is not frugal.
Yet it is a clear example of how government works under a Clark/brown leadership model. Any questions see Pat Lewis. This do nothing government at it's worst.
Bet you have a problem with it now.

I guess they should have awarded the contract to the MCRC?

They would have charged less then they spent.....

Which would have of course been more than any other contractor would do it for.

Of course then it would be Union labor - and that is what YOU care about?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 12, 2014, 06:46:53 PM
The semi driver probably didn't know he lopped the mirror off the truck.  A tractor trailer is a whole lot bigger and noisier inside than a car is....and the driver was probably concentrating on keeping his rig straight and out of the ditch.....

Candidly, if you were next to me in a pickup truck or a car, I wouldn't know you were there other than me sensing it and most trucks have a big blind spot between the front bumper and the drive wheels anyway.  Good to keep in mind when passing a tractor trailer, even on dry pavement.  Never hang next to a truck, ever.

The tow driver should have not been that close to the travel lane.  Common sense tells you that.

Not making excuses for anyone, thats just the way it works.


Unfortunately the tow driver was 'stuck' with where the driver managed to coast to when he ran out of gas.  The info below says it was a STAR towing driver and all their equipment has lights on it that light up like the 4th of July.  Michigan has a law requiring ALL drivers to slow down or move over when they drive onto a scene where there are emergency lights flashing (I'd be very surprised if wrecker lights don't qualify as emergency lights).  This sure seems to me to be a case of where the driver obviously didn't move over a lane and if he did slow down then he was obviously going way, way too fast before he did slow down.

I wasn't there so I suppose it's possible the driver didn't have the lights activated...   but I'd bet against it!

I did hear the call on the scanner.  Whoever called it in originally thought they were already north of exit 9.  Central Dispatch sent MonroeTown and the FD was actually on the freeway already when central advised them that a deputy was on the scene and they were actually south of exit 9 (in LaSalle Township).  MonroeTown said they were almost there so they continued to the scene.

When the driver was originally struck he ended up laying in a driving lane (I'm not sure which one) and someone had to move him out of the lane and onto the shoulder to keep him from being run over or hit again.  So the driver suffered more than just the initial trauma before first responders were on the scene. 

Someone who is trying to get to Toledo to buy "cheap" gas......  and wants to get there on fumes so they can spend as much Michigan money for Ohio roads as possible.


The incident happened in the north bound lane so he had possibly just left Toledo.  We were down there Friday and gas was more than in Monroe so we didn't buy any down there...   maybe that's what he did too.

Here's a little more info from 13ABC Toledo:  http://www.13abc.com/story/24428488/tow-truck-driver-hit-by-hit-skip-driver#.UtME_Wh1rRU.twitter (http://www.13abc.com/story/24428488/tow-truck-driver-hit-by-hit-skip-driver#.UtME_Wh1rRU.twitter)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Hearshear on January 12, 2014, 06:50:43 PM
No, I don't believe they should have hired MCRC for job. An experienced bridge contractor was the obvious choice. Let's face it the Raisin River doesn't call for a culvert with a cement pour over.
If the contractor be unionized or not I could care less provided the work is done well and on time.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 06:54:10 PM
Gas is more in Ohio than MI?

Isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

I thought they were SB....

I guess it is possible that the driver is one of the many Americans that struggle to get by, and they didn't have the money to put the gas in their tank.

I am not sure if the law requires you to move over for a tow truck or not.  I know you must for an ambulance, fire, police, etc.

I move over for cars that are pulled over on the shoulder if I see activity.  Have you ever had to change a tire on a freeway shoulder?  It can be a bit terrifying.  Better to give them some space.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 12, 2014, 07:00:51 PM
Gas is more in Ohio than MI?

Isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

I thought they were SB....

I guess it is possible that the driver is one of the many Americans that struggle to get by, and they didn't have the money to put the gas in their tank.

I am not sure if the law requires you to move over for a tow truck or not.  I know you must for an ambulance, fire, police, etc.

I move over for cars that are pulled over on the shoulder if I see activity.  Have you ever had to change a tire on a freeway shoulder?  It can be a bit terrifying.  Better to give them some space.

We were only on Alexis Road Friday and everything we saw was more than gas in Monroe.  No idea how long it had been that way but we just came back from Monroe and Kroger on Monroe street had gone down $.04 since Friday.

Yes, I've changed a tire with idiots zooming by way too close.  We were on the Ohio Turnpike in a blizzard comparable to anything we had earlier this week.  It was the driver's side rear so I pulled to the inside shoulder to even have a chance of not getting buried in the snow that was piled on the outside shoulder.  I spent a lot of time looking back and getting up and running every time an inconsiderate driver approached me...  and there were a 'lot' of them!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 07:07:20 PM
No, I don't believe they should have hired MCRC for job. An experienced bridge contractor was the obvious choice. Let's face it the Raisin River doesn't call for a culvert with a cement pour over.
If the contractor be unionized or not I could care less provided the work is done well and on time.

That project took longer than the timeline said, and went over budget for sure.  I wouldn't blame Pat or George for that.  I would put it under the "**** happens" category.  Sometimes when you start working on that old fixer upper and you remove the plaster you find stuff you didn't expect, and you end up pulling more money out of your wallet then you expected to do it right.  It happened on the Winchester Bridge, it happened on the Macomb Bridge, and hopefully it doesn't happen on the Roessler Bridge. 

The bank on the Front side had issues beyond the original project scope.  They thought it was bad, but it turned out worse was what I was told. 

AT&T behaved as a utility can on moving their fiber off the bridge. 

I think the original start was delayed due to Winchester finishing a bit late due to the expansion joints being more challenging than thought? 

I don't remember all the details, but I do remember the plan was more aggressive than the reality turned out.

However - didn't the project turn out nice?

Roessler is in the on bat circle.  I see 1.25 Million budgeted for it this year.  Not sure if it will go this year or next.  Hope it goes better than Winchester did.  My understanding is it has many of the same design flaws, but is generally in better shape.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 12, 2014, 07:09:39 PM
We were only on Alexis Road Friday and everything we saw was more than gas in Monroe.  No idea how long it had been that way but we just came back from Monroe and Kroger on Monroe street had gone down $.04 since Friday.

Yes, I've changed a tire with idiots zooming by way too close.  We were on the Ohio Turnpike in a blizzard comparable to anything we had earlier this week.  It was the driver's side rear so I pulled to the inside shoulder to even have a chance of not getting buried in the snow that was piled on the outside shoulder.  I spent a lot of time looking back and getting up and running every time an inconsiderate driver approached me...  and there were a 'lot' of them!!!

I did it on 275 in the rain - glad it wasn't a blizzard.

I was with my car pool buddy. 

We took turns spotting vs changing.

That is a nice wide shoulder too....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 12, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
Comments from the tow truck operators wife who was an 'eye witness' to the incident.  The semi clipped the mirror on the wrecker before he hit the driver.  Sounds like maybe the wrecker had been positioned to give him a bit of a shield while he poured gas in.  I think they usually only put in a gallon so not like he planned on being there for very long.

http://www.13abc.com/story/24429070/wife-of-injured-tow-truck-driver#.UtMoj9bh_E8.twitter (http://www.13abc.com/story/24429070/wife-of-injured-tow-truck-driver#.UtMoj9bh_E8.twitter)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 12, 2014, 08:22:50 PM
That project took longer than the timeline said, and went over budget for sure.  I wouldn't blame Pat or George for that.  I would put it under the "**** happens" category.  Sometimes when you start working on that old fixer upper and you remove the plaster you find stuff you didn't expect, and you end up pulling more money out of your wallet then you expected to do it right.  It happened on the Winchester Bridge, it happened on the Macomb Bridge, and hopefully it doesn't happen on the Roessler Bridge. 

The bank on the Front side had issues beyond the original project scope.  They thought it was bad, but it turned out worse was what I was told. 

AT&T behaved as a utility can on moving their fiber off the bridge. 

I think the original start was delayed due to Winchester finishing a bit late due to the expansion joints being more challenging than thought? 

I don't remember all the details, but I do remember the plan was more aggressive than the reality turned out.

However - didn't the project turn out nice?

Roessler is in the on bat circle.  I see 1.25 Million budgeted for it this year.  Not sure if it will go this year or next.  Hope it goes better than Winchester did.  My understanding is it has many of the same design flaws, but is generally in better shape.

The best way to eliminate the bridge issues are to take them all out and everyone can 'ford' the river in their cars and trucks like's done in West Virginia.  Washes the grime off the chassis too...... ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on January 13, 2014, 01:50:23 AM
I guess they should have awarded the contract to the MCRC?

They would have charged less then they spent.....

Which would have of course been more than any other contractor would do it for.

Of course then it would be Union labor - and that is what YOU care about?
LOL...whenever anyone "schools" you, instead of recognition, you continue with your right-wing curmudgeon agenda.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 13, 2014, 07:02:10 AM
LOL...whenever anyone "schools" you, instead of recognition, you continue with your right-wing curmudgeon agenda.

When did that happen?  Are you spreading lies again Fry?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 13, 2014, 07:06:56 AM
My apologies from the Citizens of Monroe County for the two drivers who spun out this morning trying to navigate Monroe County roads.

Specifically (since there are probably more than two) I am referring to the F150 on the 275 ON Ramp and the car that was into the 275 Median about a quarter mile from the Wayne County line this morning.

Really no excuse for it at this point.  I am pretty sure salt works above freezing.  The MCRC....  well, they have issues.

Thanks to Wayne County and Oakland County for preparing your roads for the bumper to bumper 85 MPH commuters - with no incidents.  Great job!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on January 13, 2014, 08:40:32 AM
There are STILL roads in Monroe county that have NOT SEEN a plow since before Christmas.  Two ruts of slush, or ice, depending on the time of day you attempt to drive down them.

But yeah, I'm just bellyaching. I'm just a right wing complainer. 

The MCRC actually did a great job. 

Sheep.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 13, 2014, 08:57:21 AM
Thank God it warmed up and rained or our roads would still be a mess.  Now that the state highways are cleared of snow the equipment is broke down and would have been unable to plow county roads had they not cleared themselves.
MCRC don't tell us you need new equip.  Stop plowing state highways with our stuff.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 13, 2014, 07:17:07 PM
You mean the equipment that we paid for as taxpayers got used up plowing MDOT highways instead of the roads we paid the tax on the equipment to plow?

You jest of course...... 8*

The MCRC would never do such a back handed thing like that.............
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2014, 12:11:37 AM
Double posted by Mav from another thread:


Ideally the MCRC will be forced to confront the unions and eliminate the State highway maintenance contract. This storm was a perfect example of what happens when the State highways are our number one priority.
During an event like we just had the trucks simply could not leave the highways due to the quantity of snow that came down.
Local and primary roads were basically ignored for several days because they had an obligation to clear the state highways and keep them clear. All of our equipment and all of our personal were tied up honoring our state highway contract.
WE LOSE MONEY ON THE STATE HIGHWAY CONTRACT. It's as simple as that !
We benefit absolutely ZERO from the contract but we do suffer disproportionately during an event like the one last week.
My understanding is that the unions are concerned about losing jobs at the road commission if they lose the state highway contract.
Whether or not somebody loses their job should not be a consideration. The Road Commissions job is to repair and maintain our local and primary roads PERIOD. Anything else like contracting to maintain state highways or pretending to be paving contractors should be eliminated immediately unless and until they can get their core responsibility as a road commission perfected which will never happen in my lifetime.
Until the Road Commission acts like a road commission and stops acting like a playground for the union employees there will be no positive change.
We would be better off to let the road commission go bankrupt. It appears they will be there shortly. We should start over with a core group of all new employees,preferably non union and privatize absolutely everything that we can and competitively bid absolutely everything that we can.

Mav


Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 14, 2014, 11:32:16 AM
That would mean all those underpaid, overworked union employees would have to seek 'real' jobs.

Never happen.  You might think the MEA members have a tight union, the MCRC union makes the MEA look like a bunch of RTW supporters.......

I look at the MCRC like layers on a cake and it's one tall, multi-layered cake I might add.

I also would wager that if the MCRC became financially insolvent, the County Comissioners would step in with financial aid.  It's the 'Good Ole Boy' syndrome.......
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2014, 12:38:26 PM
I don't think the County Commissioners have that kind of money and they can't print it like the feds do.
I really think the only way for the road commission to ever be effective is for them to go bankrupt with all of the protections and benefits that go along with bankruptcy.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 14, 2014, 12:41:23 PM
I don't think the County Commissioners have that kind of money and they can't print it like the feds do.
I really think the only way for the road commission to ever be effective is for them to go bankrupt with all of the protections and benefits that go along with bankruptcy.

But wouldn't that put the Pension at risk?

Who is libel for the pension obligations?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2014, 01:11:13 PM
Yes the pensions under bankruptcy would definitely be at risk. That is one of the benefits to the organization under bankruptcy. All obligations are forgiven or greatly reduced.

If the County Board takes over the Road Commission there would be no forced reduction and that is the biggest cost in the current budget, the benefits and legacy costs.
After payroll and benefits and payments into retirement funds there is hardly any money left to support road maintenance.

That is the problem and until that goes away you will see absolutely zero improvement at the Road Commission and zero progress on our terrible roads.

I think the overhead at the road commission is somewhere in the 85% of the total budget range if not higher.

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 14, 2014, 01:15:59 PM
So in other words let it go bankrupt......

Let the obligations be written off......

Then you can get rid of the MCRC.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2014, 01:20:33 PM
Then you start a new MCRC but do it the right way this time.

Concentrate on a road commission's core responsibility--local and primary road maintenance.

Try real hard not to hire anyone associated with the current disaster.

Yes it will be painful but isn't it already painful ?

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 14, 2014, 03:55:50 PM
Maybe they can 'flush' the pensions like Detroit is doing.  %0 years ago, no one considered legacy costs when libreal pensions were established...  Now the rooster has come to roost.

More employees retiring and every director that leaves gets a 'golfen parachute', what a deal.

At some point the legacy cost will overtake the entire budget of the MCRC.  Then what?

85% don't leave much to operate on does it?

Timer to flush the whole operation, IMO.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 14, 2014, 03:59:24 PM
You mean the equipment that we paid for as taxpayers got used up plowing MDOT highways instead of the roads we paid the tax on the equipment to plow?

You jest of course...... 8*

The MCRC would never do such a back handed thing like that.............

According to comments last night the equipment is not paid for by Monroe County taxes but rather by gasoline taxes collected and allocated by the state.

And it was also mentioned that MCRC has just received a $200K grant from MDOT to go toward some new equipment.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 14, 2014, 04:07:44 PM
Then you start a new MCRC but do it the right way this time.

Concentrate on a road commission's core responsibility--local and primary road maintenance.

Try real hard not to hire anyone associated with the current disaster.

Yes it will be painful but isn't it already painful ?

Mav

Yes its painful.

Why not eliminate the road commission at that point as you can under state law?

Let the County Board of Commissioners administer....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 14, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
There are 83 counties in Michigan...  I assume at one time each and every county started off with a road commission.

How many of those counties acted within the window given by the state to allow their Board of Commissioners to assume the road commission responsibilities.  It doesn't seem like this would be too difficult to find out.

Also, all the discussion about how little of their budget goes to actual roadwork...

what are the percentages in the other 82 counties?

Is Monroe County the odd guy out or are we just somewhere in the middle of the mess?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2014, 04:22:42 PM
The big reason is the county board would then be responsible for the massive unfunded liability that the Road Commision has and they would have no leverage to shed the burdensome legacy costs and wage and benefit packages.
Management would change but the core problems that keep the road commission would remain and there would be no noticeable improvement.

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 14, 2014, 04:29:24 PM
I don't think they should just flush the pensions.  Just get rid of the MCRC.  If pensions are in line with private industry they should be honored.  The county will still have a road crew.  Or if they disband they will have to hire contractors to do the work.  The county empl should be able to get jobs.  The same amount of work still needs to be done.

How far do they think $200,000 is going to go to buy new equip.
Just get out of the state contracts and take care of our county roads.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 14, 2014, 04:33:54 PM
I'm not blasting the person that posted this. 
How dumb of a statement "that equipment is not paid for by taxes of county residents."
Who do they think buys gas in the county and is paying those taxes?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 14, 2014, 05:03:18 PM
They get their funding from the tooth fairy..........

200 grand, not too far.  Maybe 1 truck some guardrail or a couple loads of stone.

I do know about the trucks (they purchase).  With their options (Allison automatic, heavy frame, heavy rears, heavy duty front axle and dump box plus hazard lights), it'a about 120 grand.  MCRC learned a while ago that a standard trans don't work for a plow truck
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 14, 2014, 05:51:47 PM
Maybe they can 'flush' the pensions like Detroit is doing.  %0 years ago, no one considered legacy costs when libreal pensions were established...  Now the rooster has come to roost.

More employees retiring and every director that leaves gets a 'golfen parachute', what a deal.

At some point the legacy cost will overtake the entire budget of the MCRC.  Then what?

85% don't leave much to operate on does it?

Timer to flush the whole operation, IMO.

So because of (poor/weak/bad/inept) Management - the answer is to bankrupt the employee's?

Not all government entities underfunded pensions.   
You only hear about the ones that did - but those are exacerbated by the fact people have elected people that thought they could be like the feds and print money... and hired bad management.

The answer to bad government leadership isn't bankruptcy all the time,  it should be identified by the next level up much sooner!!!

Who put the leadership/Management in place for years and years?
   Answer:  The County!

The County dropped the ball again when they had the opportunity to take over the Road Operations.   
They could outsource management and control to either neighboring County and eventually you'd see improvements and changes.   Of course the County would have to back it up with tougher specs on all roads - no shortcuts.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 14, 2014, 06:38:51 PM
When I got to the meeting last night this is the first thing I saw in the parking lot.  I've been to their website a couple of times and haven't seen any video of the meeting.

The MonroeNews has a couple of different articles in the paper tonight on the meeting. Maybe they'll post links to them later or tomorrow.

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/IMG_20140113_184741_164_zps1217c5b4.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/IMG_20140113_184741_164_zps1217c5b4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 14, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
So because of (poor/weak/bad/inept) Management - the answer is to bankrupt the employee's?

Not all government entities underfunded pensions.   
You only hear about the ones that did - but those are exacerbated by the fact people have elected people that thought they could be like the feds and print money... and hired bad management.

The answer to bad government leadership isn't bankruptcy all the time,  it should be identified by the next level up much sooner!!!

Who put the leadership/Management in place for years and years?
   Answer:  The County!

The County dropped the ball again when they had the opportunity to take over the Road Operations.   
They could outsource management and control to either neighboring County and eventually you'd see improvements and changes.   Of course the County would have to back it up with tougher specs on all roads - no shortcuts.

But Prof -

What you are talking about requires pain NOW.

The MCRC management - and the MCRC Board - and the MCRC Union - have taken painstaking steps to prevent ANY pain from being inflicted on THEM.

Instead they made sure they could perpetuate business as usual - even if it meant lousy roads and snow that didn't get removed.

Now - who do you propose pays the price for that?

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 14, 2014, 06:49:56 PM
I see at the road meeting last night or whenever it was they still refuse to admit that clearing state highways prevent them from cleaning our roads.
We even had some ex-government officials praise the MCRC for the work they did.
Are you kidding me.  If I wanted to act stupid i wouldn't do it in public,
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: toobad on January 14, 2014, 06:55:32 PM
But Prof -

What you are talking about requires pain NOW.

The MCRC management - and the MCRC Board - and the MCRC Union - have taken painstaking steps to prevent ANY pain from being inflicted on THEM.

Instead they made sure they could perpetuate business as usual - even if it meant lousy roads and snow that didn't get removed.

Now - who do you propose pays the price for that?



No different then the teachers unions. Destroying our educations system to maintain their wages, benefits and working conditions. :'(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 14, 2014, 06:56:22 PM
I see at the road meeting last night or whenever it was they still refuse to admit that clearing state highways prevent them from cleaning our roads.
We even had some ex-government officials praise the MCRC for the work they did.
Are you kidding me.  If I wanted to act stupid i wouldn't do it in public,

The subject never came up at the meeting last night...  at least now while I was there.  They went into executive session (or whatever it's called) abut 8:30 and I called it a night and left...  maybe that topic was discussed at some point after they were done with the executive session.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 14, 2014, 06:59:37 PM
So because of (poor/weak/bad/inept) Management - the answer is to bankrupt the employee's?

Not all government entities underfunded pensions.   
You only hear about the ones that did - but those are exacerbated by the fact people have elected people that thought they could be like the feds and print money... and hired bad management.

The answer to bad government leadership isn't bankruptcy all the time,  it should be identified by the next level up much sooner!!!

Who put the leadership/Management in place for years and years?
   Answer:  The County!

The County dropped the ball again when they had the opportunity to take over the Road Operations.   
They could outsource management and control to either neighboring County and eventually you'd see improvements and changes.   Of course the County would have to back it up with tougher specs on all roads - no shortcuts.

ooops, I hit the wrong button (must be my age..lol)

IMO, the County Comissioners were shitte scared to take over the MCRC when they had a chance to.

I suspect they know everything thats hidden away in the closets on Telegraph Road and I also suspect there is a whole raft of dirty laundry.  The MCRC has had years to accumulate it.

You cannot adequately operate any entity like the MCRC when your legacy costs are over 2/3rds of your operating budget.  It don't work and as time progresses it will only get worse.

So tell me, when it approaches 100% of the budget, what happens then?  At that point we have a non-functioning Road Commison but still pay for one?  Thats insane.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2014, 07:01:58 PM
It's non functioning and we are paying for it now. Just a little longer and it will self destruct. Then it's time to reinvent it on a whole nother scale.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 14, 2014, 07:02:49 PM
The MonroeNews just posted a link to the article on the meeting last night:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/jan/14/road-commission-board-fields-questions-hears-compl/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/jan/14/road-commission-board-fields-questions-hears-compl/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 14, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Executive Session is the term thats used when they don't want you to know what they are talking about...... :P
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 14, 2014, 07:15:52 PM
The MonroeNews just posted a link to the article on the meeting last night:

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/jan/14/road-commission-board-fields-questions-hears-compl/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/jan/14/road-commission-board-fields-questions-hears-compl/[/url])


Typicasl Mullet wrapper article.  Says nothing except that they did a good job.  You have to be kidding me.  Does Ovomit own the MN?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 14, 2014, 07:20:57 PM
Im going to digress a bit and state that they (MCRC) did a damn good job out here.  I never expected them on the second day (after the blast) but they came out with the road grader (with a big wing plow on the front) and a Stoneco FEL and cleared the road down to the dirt from the county line to Petersburg road and all the adjoining north-south roads too.

I was about ready to put the big blower on the tractor and do it myself and bingo, there they were.

The snow removal has actually gotten better over the years than it was when we first moved here (30 years ago).

General road (paved) conditions have gotten worse however.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 14, 2014, 09:24:16 PM
So a carefully orchestrated meeting...  the friends of the MCRC get up and say nice things for the paper to print, and then we go to executive session before the public can comment.

Classic.

And you guys wonder why I won't bother going to a meeting?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 15, 2014, 12:26:28 AM
But Prof -

What you are talking about requires pain NOW.

The MCRC management - and the MCRC Board - and the MCRC Union - have taken painstaking steps to prevent ANY pain from being inflicted on THEM.

Instead they made sure they could perpetuate business as usual - even if it meant lousy roads and snow that didn't get removed.

Now - who do you propose pays the price for that?


Who pays the price?

Ultimately it's the County taxpayers,
I was just pointing out that the County can't absolve themselves as they were complicit with the operations for years - by their hand picked "commissioners"... 

As someone who years ago "applied" for the position to see what the hell was going on, the board application was tilted towards people who had inside knowledge of the operations and they had no regard for outsiders... 

Last I remember the appointing authority, and the management were the ones fiscally responsible - yet the answer from some seems to be blame the workers who are there now...  Just sayin  8*
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 15, 2014, 12:36:53 AM
Executive Session is the term thats used when they don't want you to know what they are talking about...... :P

They have to have specific reason to go into executive session...   generally speaking the laws limit what they can talk about -
All actions regarding decisions must be made in Public "open" session.

From the list and considering how much property they own,
that must be their #1 reason  :D

========================================
Common reasons for closed session as allowed by Michigan Law:

Personnel matters, if requested by the individual, and the individual may rescind the request at any time, but cannot then request to go back into closed session.

Student discipline, if requested by the student, or their parent or guardian, with the same one time restriction as #1.

Collective bargaining negotiations, if requested by either party.

Purchase or lease of real estate up until the time an option to purchase or lease is obtained. (2/3)

Attorney consultation on specific pending litigation. (2/3)

Review of applications for employment or appointment, if the candidate requests confidentiality. Interviews must be held in open meetings.

Partisan caucuses of members of the state legislature.

Consideration of material exempt from discussion or disclosure by state or federal statute. This includes materials exempt under the Freedom of Information Act, such as written opinions from the board’s attorney.

Department of Commerce health code compliance conference.

Certain meetings in the search for a university president, if the search process meets several specific criteria spelled out in the act.

http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/michigan_open_meetings_act_understanding_closed_sessions (http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/michigan_open_meetings_act_understanding_closed_sessions)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 15, 2014, 06:52:06 AM
Who pays the price?

Ultimately it's the County taxpayers,
I was just pointing out that the County can't absolve themselves as they were complicit with the operations for years - by their hand picked "commissioners"... 

As someone who years ago "applied" for the position to see what the hell was going on, the board application was tilted towards people who had inside knowledge of the operations and they had no regard for outsiders... 

Last I remember the appointing authority, and the management were the ones fiscally responsible - yet the answer from some seems to be blame the workers who are there now...  Just sayin  8*

But in the case of the MCRC it is all intertwined and cozy and nepotism.  The leadership came from the workers, and the board are cozy with them.

In a normal situation I would agree with you.  In this case, its like a family that practices incest but then complains that their collective IQ isn't very high.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on January 15, 2014, 07:36:06 AM
If I understand this correctly there are only two ways to just eliminate the commission.........forced county take over, and bankruptcy.

I can somewhat understand why the county would not want to implement option 1 because of the underfunded pension obligations, but as a county resident I am just sick to death of the RC and just want to see the problem go away and the end result of well maintained roads come to the county.  Hell, I'd even vote for a millage increase to pay for it just to get rid of this clown act.

Bankruptcy.....how would this go about happening?  Is it something that could happen soon....say in the next year or so?  If they are getting their funds through gas taxes I may just start considering buying my gas outside of the county, and that would just anger the hell out of me because I stupidly try to buy everything, included gas, inside the city limits just to support the local economy.  Sad, a citizen not wanting to spend money in the local economy in an attempt to get rid of an inept arm of local government.

I just want something to happen......one way or the other I want to see the RC slide off into the sunset.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 15, 2014, 09:21:15 AM
Bankruptcy would be a long way off...  as all they would do is stop doing road projects to stem it from happening.

Then if it were close to that (negative budgets) the State would appoint an EM...  and you can see how that would go... 

The County blew it's chance to make up for it's mistakes over the years of putting in "friends"... who made it what it currently is.

Like I said the County can't absolve itself from it's past - just as the Road Commission can't seem to identify it's own mess...  "all is well"
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 15, 2014, 09:25:11 AM
I still think bankruptcy is the best option.

If everybody sat down and worked it out that is another option but I don't see that happening until the threat of bankruptcy is real.

I think they qualify for bankruptcy now. They currently have a negative budget if you simply factor in the unfunded liabilities.

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 15, 2014, 09:43:23 AM
The first step would be to void the state contracts.
If the county couldn't afford all the overhead (i'm not talking about the actual workers) then eliminate some of them.   If 40+ workers is to many to maintain local roads some would have to be retired.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on January 15, 2014, 10:15:44 AM
Here's a suggestion....  since we have such strong feelings about making a change in this area, why not get the public stirred up a little more to help the cause.
 
 This forum gets read by a very small portion of the county residents.
So, to get a broader group of sympathizers, write a few letters to the editor for publication in the MEN. If a few of us write public letters, I guarantee you'll get a response. Plus the public attention will probably stimulate more potential action than 6 or 8 of us bitchin' about it among ourselves.

BONUS points . . .  about the time things start to quiet down regarding snow removal,
it will be time to begin pothole season.
Voila, a new group of participants.



Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 15, 2014, 10:43:08 AM
Here's a suggestion....  since we have such strong feelings about making a change in this area, why not get the public stirred up a little more to help the cause.
 
 This forum gets read by a very small portion of the county residents.
So, to get a broader group of sympathizers, write a few letters to the editor for publication in the MEN. If a few of us write public letters, I guarantee you'll get a response. Plus the public attention will probably stimulate more potential action than 6 or 8 of us bitchin' about it among ourselves.

BONUS points . . .  about the time things start to quiet down regarding snow removal,
it will be time to begin pothole season.
Voila, a new group of participants.

Good idea....  and doesn't take much time or effort....

But I'm not sure how many more people read the paper these days.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 15, 2014, 11:12:13 AM
Here's a suggestion....  since we have such strong feelings about making a change in this area, why not get the public stirred up a little more to help the cause.
 
This forum gets read by a very small portion of the county residents.
So, to get a broader group of sympathizers, write a few letters to the editor for publication in the MEN. If a few of us write public letters, I guarantee you'll get a response. Plus the public attention will probably stimulate more potential action than 6 or 8 of us bitchin' about it among ourselves.

BONUS points . . .  about the time things start to quiet down regarding snow removal,
it will be time to begin pothole season.
Voila, a new group of participants.

You're right nails that a very low percentage of county residents participate in this forum...

I think readership is higher than you realize though.

But, most important, I do know of a number of our elected officials that are actually reading and in some cases participating in this forum.

It may not be the 'end all' answer but at this point it's one we still have.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on January 15, 2014, 11:13:57 AM

Granted, not every resident reads the MEN, and fewer will read the letters to the editor, but, many more will read it than these forums. If public letters from several of us stimulate a few residents to follow the chatter and talk about it at work, etc., hopefully the public attention will motivate more conversation between residents.

Priming the pump. 

That is, if we're interested in change instead of just conversation.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Mayonnaise on January 15, 2014, 11:27:42 AM
If I understand this correctly there are only two ways to just eliminate the commission.........forced county take over, and bankruptcy.

I can somewhat understand why the county would not want to implement option 1 because of the underfunded pension obligations, but as a county resident I am just sick to death of the RC and just want to see the problem go away and the end result of well maintained roads come to the county.  Hell, I'd even vote for a millage increase to pay for it just to get rid of this clown act.

Bankruptcy.....how would this go about happening?  Is it something that could happen soon....say in the next year or so? If they are getting their funds through gas taxes I may just start considering buying my gas outside of the county, and that would just anger the hell out of me because I stupidly try to buy everything, included gas, inside the city limits just to support the local economy.  Sad, a citizen not wanting to spend money in the local economy in an attempt to get rid of an inept arm of local government.

I just want something to happen......one way or the other I want to see the RC slide off into the sunset.
I know that they had their own gas pumps installed during this past summer. I was wondering what kind of construction was going on so I made my route to and from home just to see.
I haven't been able to catch a fuel truck there so I don't know if fuel is bought local or out of state.
Title: Updated info on the tow truck operator hit out on 75 last Saturday
Post by: BigRedDog on January 18, 2014, 11:44:43 AM
Updated info on the tow truck operator hit out on 75 last Saturday:

Sounds like he's doing a lot better than I thought he might be in just a week :D :D :D

http://www.13abc.com/story/24486823/tow-truck-driver-survives-being-hit-by-semi-truck (http://www.13abc.com/story/24486823/tow-truck-driver-survives-being-hit-by-semi-truck)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 18, 2014, 12:59:23 PM
TV13 interviewed him last night.  That was good to see.  He was seated and holding a walker but looked healthy otherwise.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 18, 2014, 04:30:16 PM
I just wonder what the mindset was of the MCRC or whoever made the decision to say the hell with county roads and residential streets, we are going to take the states money and plow the interstates.  With the township equipment and manpower no less.
What were they thinking?  Apparently they didn't care whether our roads were cleared or not.  If that isn't incompetence I don't know what is.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 18, 2014, 04:36:08 PM
I just wonder what the mindset was of the MCRC or whoever made the decision to say the hell with county roads and residential streets, we are going to take the states money and plow the interstates.  With the township equipment and manpower no less.
What were they thinking?  Apparently they didn't care whether our roads were cleared or not.  If that isn't incompetence I don't know what is.

Was it incompetence or greed?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: excelsior on January 18, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
I just wonder what the mindset was of the MCRC or whoever made the decision to say the hell with county roads and residential streets, we are going to take the states money and plow the interstates.  With the township equipment and manpower no less.
What were they thinking?  Apparently they didn't care whether our roads were cleared or not.  If that isn't incompetence I don't know what is.

I saw no evidence after the storm a couple weeks that the interstates were treated any better than most of the county roads.  If I were the state, I would want my money back.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on January 18, 2014, 05:20:52 PM
Their contract with the state stipulates that the State highways get cleared first.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: excelsior on January 18, 2014, 05:52:28 PM
My experience was the MCRC failed to clear all roads including the interstates after the early Jan storm.   

I do not believe that anyone can say the county roads were not cleared because the MCRC was busy clearing the interstates.  I75 and I275 were snow/ice covered messes for days.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 18, 2014, 06:14:08 PM
My experience was the MCRC failed to clear all roads including the interstates after the early Jan storm.   

I do not believe that anyone can say the county roads were not cleared because the MCRC was busy clearing the interstates.  I75 and I275 were snow/ice covered messes for days.

+1. 

They did a lousy job on everything, and their response is a new policy to tell us to stay off the roads if it snows.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: excelsior on January 18, 2014, 06:25:08 PM
What a management mess.   Blame the customer and ignore the root cause of the failures of your organization.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on January 18, 2014, 06:47:21 PM
Seems ironic to hear the anti-government righties demanding more service out of one side of their mouths while the other side of their mouths demand reduced government.

Face it...the right will whine no matter what.

With so many topics created that basically says the same thing over and over...it's only a matter of time before a moron blames Obama.  8*
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: excelsior on January 18, 2014, 06:53:06 PM
Seems ironic to hear the anti-government righties demanding more service out of one side of their mouths while the other side of their mouths demand reduced government.

Face it...the right will whine no matter what.

With so many topics created that basically says the same thing over and over...it's only a matter of time before a moron blames Obama.  8*

Your tiresome parrot points are only deserving of a retreaded rebuttal.

It is strange how some attempt to twist one's call for limited government into anarchism.  It appears to be either ignorance or a straw man fallacy.   I lean toward the latter.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on January 18, 2014, 07:01:36 PM
Your tiresome parrot points are only deserving of a retreaded rebuttal.
Noticed you didn't include a denial. But then the truth is difficult to refute.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 18, 2014, 07:07:06 PM
What rock is he living under.  We all need services but we don't need the government taking care of us and telling us how to live.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on January 18, 2014, 07:09:48 PM
What rock is he living under.  We all need services but we don't need the government taking care of us and telling us how to live.
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Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: toobad on January 18, 2014, 07:14:24 PM
What rock is he living under.  We all need services but we don't need the government taking care of us and telling us how to live.

Frenchfry does.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 18, 2014, 07:16:42 PM
Frenchfry does.

SO he is the one the MCRC is worried about.....

I wondered who the policy was for.
Title: Another area tow truck driver struck on interstate!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 21, 2014, 11:33:09 AM
TV13 interviewed him last night.  That was good to see.  He was seated and holding a walker but looked healthy otherwise.



What do drivers think all those bright yellow lights are flashing for?

http://www.13abc.com/story/24498384/another-tow-truck-driver-hit-on-icy-interstate (http://www.13abc.com/story/24498384/another-tow-truck-driver-hit-on-icy-interstate)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 21, 2014, 12:19:59 PM
Often times people won't move over and allow vehicles to switch lanes.  They either aren't paying attention or they don't care.  There are a lot ignorant drivers on the road.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 21, 2014, 12:35:35 PM
Often times people won't move over and allow vehicles to switch lanes.  They either aren't paying attention or they don't care.  There are a lot ignorant drivers on the road.

blue2...  that is the forum 'understatement of the month 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 21, 2014, 12:41:44 PM
I was on the freeway last week stopped with an accident up ahead.

An ambulance was coming up from behind me - half on the snow covered shoulder, half in the lane.  Lights on, siren blaring, and you know there is an accident maybe 1/8 mile ahead.

As soon as I saw the lights I started to try to get to the right.  I pulled to the right as far as I could, signal on, used hand signals, etc.  The lady to the right of me was very self absorbed in a phone call.  She was oblivious I was there looking at her.  She was oblivious I was trying to get in.  She was oblivious of the siren and lights.  The guy behind her let me in before the ambulance got there.

It must have been a really important call is all I can think.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 21, 2014, 12:46:54 PM
I was on the freeway last week stopped with an accident up ahead.

An ambulance was coming up from behind me - half on the snow covered shoulder, half in the lane.  Lights on, siren blaring, and you know there is an accident maybe 1/8 mile ahead.

As soon as I saw the lights I started to try to get to the right.  I pulled to the right as far as I could, signal on, used hand signals, etc.  The lady to the right of me was very self absorbed in a phone call.  She was oblivious I was there looking at her.  She was oblivious I was trying to get in.  She was oblivious of the siren and lights.  The guy behind her let me in before the ambulance got there.

It must have been a really important call is all I can think.

Probably calling the Hustler Club to tell them she'd be late for work :o :o :o
Title: The good news is the 2 Road Comm. tractors are gone...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 21, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
... but the bad news is I have no idea where they went.

Did the road commission send a crew out to get them and take them back to the garage for the 'winter' or did someone finally steal them :( :( :(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 30, 2014, 10:59:23 AM
Road commission workers upset they may get laid off because there will be no money...
Also upset that they have to pay for their own healthcare.  What a shame!  I and others paid for their own for years.
They only have to look to their bosses to recognize the problem.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: rwwjr on January 30, 2014, 01:06:28 PM
Everyone complains about the county roads, well, I can tell you, the city of Monroe's streets are HORRIBLE.  Coming into town from the West on N Custer, as soon as you hit the city line, there is barely 1 lane westbound  If not careful you may hit the pedestrian island at at Cranbrook.  And Monroe St is a joke.  Even S Monroe St/S Dixie is in better condition than Monroe St.  Whoever determines what streets need to be cleaned needs to be reassigned.  I have set and seen a city truck scrape Scott St 3 times when dry, while other streets have not been touched at all, maybe once, mine included.  And I do drive on these streets a lot, so i am talking from using them
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 30, 2014, 03:36:42 PM
So sayeth the township dweller....

So it is said.

So it shall be.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: rwwjr on January 31, 2014, 09:39:18 AM
So sayeth the township dweller....

So it is said.

So it shall be.

Yep  You are right Monroe Native, but when I transport CITY resident to school on my school bus, I like to do it safely, and difficult to do so considering some of the street's conditions
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 31, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
... but the bad news is I have no idea where they went.

Did the road commission send a crew out to get them and take them back to the garage for the 'winter' or did someone finally steal them :( :( :(

They probably read about them on here and decided to start servicing them - as soon it will be mowing weather...

or

You'll find some paint shop in the south working on them... 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 31, 2014, 12:15:36 PM
Monroe Street is slated for paving through Monroe and Frenchtown this year.

The State controls those projects.

The condition of it is made even worse by the water main replacements being done in advance of the pavement replacement.

It will be great this time next year.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 31, 2014, 12:50:33 PM
Everyone complains about the county roads, well, I can tell you, the city of Monroe's streets are HORRIBLE.  Coming into town from the West on N Custer, as soon as you hit the city line, there is barely 1 lane westbound  If not careful you may hit the pedestrian island at at Cranbrook.  And Monroe St is a joke.  Even S Monroe St/S Dixie is in better condition than Monroe St.  Whoever determines what streets need to be cleaned needs to be reassigned.  I have set and seen a city truck scrape Scott St 3 times when dry, while other streets have not been touched at all, maybe once, mine included.  And I do drive on these streets a lot, so i am talking from using them

I agree...  I had a chance to be on several streets in the city yesterday...   exactly what I saw...  a few are down to bare (wet) pavement and then some that don't look like they've seen a blade since before the last time it snowed.  I understand that the day after a storm but it's been several days now.

When I got home our road had less snow and ice than some of those city streets did.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 31, 2014, 04:40:30 PM
You didn't realize the city was just being "frugal" with it's services
many have been downsized or outsourced
except the police -

I hear the police trucks won't be fitted with snow plows until next year  ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 31, 2014, 05:58:10 PM
Before the day was over I saw the MCRC truck (not positive it was the same one) go by twice more going west...   plus once back to the east...   they'll have the road worn out just going back and forth.  Not only have they scraped and salted but they've used the wing blade to push the snow back so far off the shoulder that I'll probably have to go out and mow the shoulder in a couple of weeks ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 31, 2014, 07:55:55 PM
Stewart and Bluebush intersection is only one lane - making one wonder how the buses get through?    The lane blocked is the one entering Bluebush - and the pile in the lane is so high you can barely see the stop sign (which is also leaning like many mailboxes).   
Probably why they quit plowing that lane - the next push would wipe out the stop sign.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 31, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
Yook our road to the dirt yesterday morning.  Could be anticipation for the storm coming Tuesday.  Depending on track, I hear it could be 12-14" of snow with wind.  My employer is watching it carefully.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 31, 2014, 09:08:31 PM
I still think it's a good idea to put snowplows on garbage trucks.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 31, 2014, 09:51:23 PM
I hear the police trucks won't be fitted with snow plows until next year  ;D

That is one heck of an idea.......  at least Veterans Park lot would be clean.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 01, 2014, 09:37:14 AM
I still think it's a good idea to put snowplows on garbage trucks.
Years ago that may have worked - but they are contracted units now
that serve multiple communities

That is one heck of an idea.......  at least Veterans Park lot would be clean.
They used to have a suggestion box program...  slip that one in  ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
Yeah I know they are contracted and the union guys would have a big issue putting snow plows on the private garbage trucks.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 01, 2014, 10:33:36 AM
Yeah I know they are contracted and the union guys would have a big issue putting snow plows on the private garbage trucks.
Not the cops union...   they are all about doing whatever they can to get more $$  no union brotherhood worries there...

Now the MCRC union may have a gripe if the garbage companies started to get in the road clearing business...  but they don't go far enough fast enough to really do the job - and wouldn't the plow knock down the garbage cans just as they were coming up to them?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 01, 2014, 01:22:44 PM
Don't they do that anyway (plow down the garbage cans)?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 01, 2014, 07:00:43 PM
Years ago when I lived in Cleveland, they had plows on the garbage trucks....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 01, 2014, 10:49:04 PM
So the city is pretty slushy right now....  puddles everywhere.

I saw their DPS trucks running around this afternoon spreading salt - and this was when it was above 0 and drizzling.

Meanwhile out in the County - as far as I can tell they didn't spread any salt.  I think they sent a Zamboni out on 24 and M50 instead to spread and polish the slush - so as soon as it fell below freezing we could have a nice thin layer of ice, perfect for practicing our driving skills on.

Then to make it better Mother Nature provided us a light dusting of snow on top of that, and boom - the county roads were nice and dangerous - but they didn't look that way - they looked harmless - so people kept passing me then ditching it.

Needless to say it was a relief to drive across the city limit line into the slush and puddles, but no sign of ice.

Thanks for the salt!

 ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 01, 2014, 11:16:10 PM
Shouldn't have been out there, driver descretion advised.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 01, 2014, 11:35:20 PM
I didn't get notified of any advisories from the MCRC....  so wasn't I to assume it would be safe to hit the roads and seek entertainment?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 01, 2014, 11:48:51 PM
I think the county took the day off...  after all it is a weekend.   Drove through slush and wet stuff all day (to the grocery store and to take the grandkids home)  I too was never given that notification of what level we are at...  The Fermi Sirens were silent, and not one ticker tape across the bottom of the golf channel alerting me to any danger.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 02, 2014, 12:10:31 AM
I didn't get notified of any advisories from the MCRC....  so wasn't I to assume it would be safe to hit the roads and seek entertainment?

I have a burning question that needs to be addressed....


How the hell are they going to notify anyone?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 02, 2014, 09:37:54 AM
Telepathy?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 02, 2014, 10:01:28 AM
I looked over towards Telegraph every half hour or so and never saw any smoke signals go up.

I took that to mean it was safe.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 02, 2014, 11:14:26 AM
I think we should all call the MCRC commissioners and ask them... ;D

Here's their contact info from the website:

http://www.mcrc-mi.org/contactus.html (http://www.mcrc-mi.org/contactus.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 02, 2014, 11:28:45 AM
i saw some ice and snow on the road this morning so i just assumed we were under a level 1.  Hopefully it warms up again so it melts.  That will be about the only way the roads get cleared.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 02, 2014, 01:30:49 PM
I think we should all call the MCRC commissioners and ask them... ;D

Here's their contact info from the website:

[url]http://www.mcrc-mi.org/contactus.html[/url] ([url]http://www.mcrc-mi.org/contactus.html[/url])


Just sent Stammer a PM.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 02, 2014, 03:44:22 PM
Ultimately warm weather is the only way our roads will be effectively cleared. Ironically at no cost.
I believe that may be the Road Commission's philosophy.

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 02, 2014, 04:05:39 PM
But then we just complain about the lack of pot hole filling and road repairs instead, so they can't win.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 02, 2014, 04:40:56 PM
Warmer weather breeds potholes.....  Already a couple killers on M50 west of 23.....

...and cold patch is a worthless, time intensive, very temporary fix.....  about 10 minutes and the pothole is back....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 02, 2014, 05:08:49 PM
Warmer weather breeds potholes because they allow substandard materials and substandard workmanship when they do try to repair or rebuild the roads.
 It's early yet but the roads I see in Bedford where they used the chip and seal treatment last fall seem to be holding up well, very well.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 02, 2014, 05:10:31 PM
Roads are repaired or rebuilt in Monroe County?

When?

Where?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 02, 2014, 05:29:41 PM
They have done a few in Bedford.  And I noticed the last time to Monroe HS Lewis ave out of Bedford for 5 or 6 miles was repaved then another 5 wasn't but then it was repaved to at least Albain.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 02, 2014, 05:46:41 PM
Oh, that's right.  Thanks Blue!

Lewis seems nice, where it was repaved. I remember noticing it shortly after it was done last fall.

Did the road commission do the paving? Or was it done by a subcontractor?

It would be interesting to know how much that costed us, and why they chose THAT road to repave, over all the other roads in the county that are much worse, with higher traffic.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 02, 2014, 06:04:16 PM
I don't travel many county roads north of Bedford.  Lewis was really bad before they paved it then I started using north south roads to the east of Lewis.  They were pretty bad to so I went back to Lewis and low and behold it was repaved.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 02, 2014, 09:43:02 PM
Oh, that's right.  Thanks Blue!

Lewis seems nice, where it was repaved. I remember noticing it shortly after it was done last fall.

Did the road commission do the paving? Or was it done by a subcontractor?

It would be interesting to know how much that costed us, and why they chose THAT road to repave, over all the other roads in the county that are much worse, with higher traffic.

It didn't 'costed' you anything.  The townships footed most of the bill (as well as Rauch Road) and the state kicked in just a bit.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 02, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
I don't travel many county roads north of Bedford.  Lewis was really bad before they paved it then I started using north south roads to the east of Lewis.  They were pretty bad to so I went back to Lewis and low and behold it was repaved.

I tend to drive sterns to crabb to Rauch and Rauch to Secor and Secor to Ida West to Summerfield coming home.  The smoothest (well, now potholed).
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 02, 2014, 11:00:47 PM
Live,
Tuttle Hill is getting completely rebuilt in London twp this year. I think from Ostrander to Oakville Waltz. That should be a nice improvement. If the state throws money at Monroe County roads next year I'm thinking a complete rebuild of Plank rd will be on the list.

Mav

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 03, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
I was reading about a new pothole patch - a bag filled with a liquid that when force is applied (a vehicle driving over it) - the material hardens, and then returns to a liquid.   

Sounds like a better solution than throwing in cold patch - but it would mean they would have to return in the summer and patch it properly, if there is such a thing around here...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 03, 2014, 03:50:30 AM
Live,
Tuttle Hill is getting completely rebuilt in London twp this year. I think from Ostrander to Oakville Waltz. That should be a nice improvement. If the state throws money at Monroe County roads next year I'm thinking a complete rebuild of Plank rd will be on the list.

Mav

That's what I was getting at. Those are two of the worst roads in the county, after Yensch.

Glad to hear Tuttle Hill is getting fixed. I hope they do it right.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 03, 2014, 06:11:25 AM
Plank would take more than a chip and tar.

There is no base left under it.

The base is just 40 years of pothole fill in pothole fill in pothole fill....

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 03, 2014, 08:57:59 AM
Never could understand why Plank wasn't designated a primary road - as it is a feeder to US23 for those North of the River
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 03, 2014, 10:04:15 AM
That's what I was getting at. Those are two of the worst roads in the county, after Yensch.

Glad to hear Tuttle Hill is getting fixed. I hope they do it right.


1.4 million dollars. A complete rebuild done by a private contractor so it has a chance of being done right.

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 03, 2014, 11:35:33 AM
1.4 million dollars. A complete rebuild done by a private contractor so it has a chance of being done right.

Mav
Is it too late to switch which "County" Specs are used?
I'd say Wayne or Lenawee would be nice to copy...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 03, 2014, 11:50:11 AM
I'm not sure they would hold up to the 75 year cycle in the swamp that the MCRC expects.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 03, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
1.4 million dollars. A complete rebuild done by a private contractor so it has a chance of being done right.

Mav

Considering the job, that's not too bad, in my opinion.  If it ends up as nice as Lewis, that will be great!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 03, 2014, 05:07:54 PM
You may have set your sights too high. Hopefully they will remove the old road either completely or at least grind it in place and use that for the base. The problem as I see it is that the old base may be too close to all of that yellow sand and not adequate enough.
The project is being bid as a design - build where the contractor bids the design and installation and the MCRC approves the design and inspects the work to see that it is being completed as designed. That puts a lot on the MCRC and they have a dismal track record to put it mildly.
I wish they would allow a private engineering firm approve the prints and oversee inspection of the project.
Unfortunately the MCRC tacks on an additional 10% for their services which wouldn't be bad if they were competent.
It will be nice when they are done but no-where near as nice as parts of Lewis ave.

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 03, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Actually that is what the whole state of Mich should have.  A licensed professional engineer that oversees roads and highways.  Each county probably doesn't need one but the state could be divided up into regions. The engineer draws up the specs and gets bids and checks on progress.  Outfits like MCRC are not qualified.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 03, 2014, 05:57:30 PM
MCRC are probably qualified but it's the full time thing that bothers me. There are 7 engineers I believe at the MCRC. When they are busy that's fine but when they aren't they still get paid. With contract engineers they get paid to do a job and then they go away until needed again.
Call it privatization if you will but we would be much better off if we hired engineers " as needed ".

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 03, 2014, 06:37:37 PM
it's all about protecting jobs.  Nothing else matters.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 03, 2014, 06:38:12 PM
blue2 - the CITY has a PE Civil Engineer who is qualified doing that....  why can't the MCRC?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 03, 2014, 11:11:27 PM
The MCRC has one. The point probably is that they only truly NEED 1. Contract everything else out on an as needed basis. I guarantee it would be more cost effective.

Mav
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 04, 2014, 06:38:11 AM
For sure it would be more cost effective.

Are you saying they don't have one company do the design and inspection work, and another company do the construction, with the County engineer keeping both honest?

If they have the same company do both are they just taking their word for it that everything is built to spec, and meets the State requirements?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 04, 2014, 09:52:37 AM
Common Sense,  cost effective,   what are these things ye talketh about - says the management at Ye Ole MCRC Shoppe

Doing things the same way for 100 years

(The first meeting of the Board of County Road Commissioners of the County of Monroe was held May 8, 1913)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 04, 2014, 10:19:51 AM
For sure it would be more cost effective.

Are you saying they don't have one company do the design and inspection work, and another company do the construction, with the County engineer keeping both honest?

Of course you would have to have some controls built in. What we have now in certain jobs is the MCRC designing , building and inspecting their own work. We alll see what that has gotten us.

If they have the same company do both are they just taking their word for it that everything is built to spec, and meets the State requirements?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 06, 2014, 06:41:21 PM
Common Sense,  cost effective,   what are these things ye talketh about - says the management at Ye Ole MCRC Shoppe

Doing things the same way for 100 years

(The first meeting of the Board of County Road Commissioners of the County of Monroe was held May 8, 1913)

I wonder how much the 'Anniversary Celebration' cost the taxpayers  ??? ??? ???:( :( :(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 08:28:02 AM
Oh Boy - Watch out Townships - the MCRC are suggesting that all of those subdivisions that got built with those super low tax rates should be the Townships headaches - not the counties.

They are essentially admitting they aren't good at it, and the Townships should just take care of them themselves - and it sounds like that includes maintenance?

Sounds like we are rapidly heading towards adding a "Township" designation to the Federal, State, County, and City/Local score card.

This could force the Township Boards to ask their residents to approve a road millage for the local roads, and what would happen if they don't?  No service - or totally at the discretion of the MCRC?

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Road commissioners are encouraging staff members to look into the cost- shar­ing policy with the townships as well. #

“ We made the determination that we are in the maintenance business not the construction business,” Commissioner Joe Schumaker pointed out. #

He suggested having townships contact out services such as snowplowing for its subdivisions since residents are angry it takes several days before road commission crews can get into the subdivisions. #

“ Our residents don’t understand that we get a major storm and it takes three days to clean up, then we get hit with another,” Mr. Schumaker said. “ The next thing is going to be an onslaught of potholes. We can never keep up.” #

Citing limited funds, Mr. Schumaker suggested looking into townships taking on a stronger role in caring for their respective roads. #

Randy Pierce, managing director, said the road commission needs to be selective with its projects and stick to “things we are good at.” #

“I’d like to talk with the townships about bidding out help to plow subdivisions for 2015,” he said. “ Once the bids come back, we can make a decision.”

Read more at: [url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/feb/09/storms-snow-under-all-road-agencys-maintenance-bud/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/feb/09/storms-snow-under-all-road-agencys-maintenance-bud/[/url])
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 09, 2014, 08:36:59 AM
Oh Boy - Watch out Townships - the MCRC are suggesting that all of those subdivisions that got built with those super low tax rates should be the Townships headaches - not the counties.

They are essentially admitting they aren't good at it, and the Townships should just take care of them themselves - and it sounds like that includes maintenance?

Sounds like we are rapidly heading towards adding a "Township" designation to the Federal, State, County, and City/Local score card.

This could force the Township Boards to ask their residents to approve a road millage for the local roads, and what would happen if they don't?  No service - or totally at the discretion of the MCRC?

And these determinations and suggestions were made at an illegal meeting.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 08:43:33 AM
And these determinations and suggestions were made at an illegal meeting.

It was a work session - so no determinations made, no public input taken.

I'm pretty sure that article will get some public input and the next meeting though.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 09, 2014, 08:47:31 AM
I would have thought the meetings would have been much more contentious than was is being described in the MEN.

I can't tell if it's just a few of us that are highly disappointed in the performance of the commission, or most just content with the way it is.

Would have expected much more emotion at the meetings than what I am hearing about.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 09:20:17 AM
It was a work session - so no determinations made, no public input taken.

I'm pretty sure that article will get some public input and the next meeting though.

Who are you trying to fool MN?

The 'determination' was 'made' at that meeting...  it just won't go to a 'vote' <wink-wink> until the official meeting.  One of the road commissioners was not at the meeting so I'll give you 'one' hasn't made a determination yet!

I would have thought the meetings would have been much more contentious than was is being described in the MEN.

I can't tell if it's just a few of us that are highly disappointed in the performance of the commission, or most just content with the way it is.

Would have expected much more emotion at the meetings than what I am hearing about.

I thought that was going to be the case at the regular January meeting...   especially when I pulled into the parking lot and saw the WXYZ camera truck sitting in the parking lot.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 09, 2014, 09:31:31 AM
I'm really, really surprised that there are not large turnouts just bitching up a storm......like I said, it may be only a few of us that are aggravated by it enough to even bother to attend.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 09:37:18 AM
I'm really, really surprised that there are not large turnouts just bitching up a storm......like I said, it may be only a few of us that are aggravated by it enough to even bother to attend.

I'm sure most are just making phone calls and sending emails to their elected reps ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
Who are you trying to fool MN?

Come on....  I am "technically" correct am I not?

To me this work session was the MCRC admitting there is no way they can get a county wide millage to pass, so they are just by policy going to pass that responsibility onto the Townships.

They will pass a policy that certain local roads are the responsibility of the Township for repair, maintenance, and plowing, and they will take care of "County" roads within the jurisdictions.

When the people call up to complain they can't get out of the sub - hey - call your local township board.  As we all know you guys love your local township boards!

To me this is a genius pass the buck move on their part.  Just redefine your responsibility within a smaller scope, and pass the rest off to a different jurisdiction. 

Awesome good move if you don't live in a Township.

It makes me wonder how the Townships will handle this.  Will they make the associations plow and maintain their own roads?  Will they pass a Township wide millage?  I'm sure the farmers would hate that one.  Can you pass a millage only for a certain zoning classification?

This could get interesting.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 09:59:32 AM
Come on....  I am "technically" correct am I not?

To me this work session was the MCRC admitting there is no way they can get a county wide millage to pass, so they are just by policy going to pass that responsibility onto the Townships.

They will pass a policy that certain local roads are the responsibility of the Township for repair, maintenance, and plowing, and they will take care of "County" roads within the jurisdictions.

When the people call up to complain they can't get out of the sub - hey - call your local township board.  As we all know you guys love your local township boards!

To me this is a genius pass the buck move on their part.  Just redefine your responsibility within a smaller scope, and pass the rest off to a different jurisdiction. 

Awesome good move if you don't live in a Township.

It makes me wonder how the Townships will handle this.  Will they make the associations plow and maintain their own roads?  Will they pass a Township wide millage?  I'm sure the farmers would hate that one. Can you pass a millage only for a certain zoning classification?

This could get interesting.

I don't know if you can pass a 'millage' for certain zoning or not...  can't say I ever heard of it.  But what is very, very common is to form an assessment district.  Bedford has done several of them to resurface streets in subdivisions.  The drain commission does a couple of dozen of them a year.  We got our city water by voting one in.  Those are all over the township.

As far as plowing snow I do know that out in the 'Resort Authority' in Frenchtown they've done one for resurfacing streets and for plowing in the winter and for putting in new dikes (the kind that keep the water out)!

But, just because Capt. Joe 'proposed' this concept I'm afraid it may have a long way to go.  Like all the way up to state statute as far as the Michigan Plat Act.  The roads/streets have to be built to a certain spec by the developer and then the Road Commission (along with several other local agencies) 'accept' the plat and actually sign the plat showing they have accepted the roads and that the roads have been transferred to the City or Village or County for future maintenance (and I'm pretty sure snow plowing comes under that).  I'm sure the MCRC is just 'hoping' for the townships to throw in a bunch more money for the MCRC to waste on a new $1.7M building somewhere (you know, without even getting an inspection or an appraisal because road commissioners 'all' know so much about commercial and industrial property values. 

It may work in 'some' subdivisions and it may not work in some.

I'm just kind of waiting for some bigshot attorney that lives in one of these subdivisions to file a lawsuit against the MCRC!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 10:04:07 AM
I'm just kind of waiting for some bigshot attorney that lives in one of these subdivisions to file a lawsuit against the MCRC!!!

That could be entertaining....  but I'm afraid the judges work for the County.

They would have to get that case moved way out of Monroe to have a shot.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 10:07:19 AM
That could be entertaining....  but I'm afraid the judges work for the County.

They would have to get that case moved way out of Monroe to have a shot.

Could be the luck of the draw too...

Some of the judges may live in some of those affected subdivisions too!!!

And technically, all Judges work for the State, not the county!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 10:16:29 AM
True - they do work for the State.

The thing is the Government does a good job protecting the Government.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 10:23:59 AM
True - they do work for the State.

The thing is the Government does a good job protecting the Government.

Yes they do and that's probably why it hasn't happened yet.

The article in the paper isn't real clear.  One way I read it is that the MCRC may be willing to 'share' some funding with the townships and the other is they just want to transfer the responsibility of everything to the townships. 

It would sure help if Snyder and Richardville would quit 'kicking that can' (you know...  the one they accused the prior few admins of doing and now they're just as bad except they've cut revenue sharing even more) down the snow covered, pothole filled road >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
It would sure help if Snyder and Richardville would quit 'kicking that can' (you know...  the one they accused the prior few admins of doing and now they're just as bad except they've cut revenue sharing even more) down the snow covered, pothole filled road >:( >:( >:(

I totally agree!

It is time for them to revise the road funding formula and raise some revenues - but it won't happen in an election year - because that means raising taxes.

I was amazed at how expensive gas was in Toledo.  We are cheap compared to them.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
I totally agree!

It is time for them to revise the road funding formula and raise some revenues - but it won't happen in an election year - because that means raising taxes.

I was amazed at how expensive gas was in Toledo.  We are cheap compared to them.

Been that way for a couple of weeks now.  Doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.  Enjoy it while we have it.  I heard a few days ago all the gasoline refiners were having a big meeting to decide how high to raise the prices this summer 8* 8* 8*
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 10:49:47 AM
It is still above $3 dollars a gallon in the dead of winter, so I'm not sure how much I'm "enjoying" it.

I'm sure that is because of the high demand for Kerosene and Heating Oil?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 10:56:28 AM
It is still above $3 dollars a gallon in the dead of winter, so I'm not sure how much I'm "enjoying" it.

I'm sure that is because of the high demand for Kerosene and Heating Oil?

Yes, I'm sure it is...   they're able to 'gouge' on heating fuels and get rid of the gasoline (by product in this case) at a reasonable price.  I thought I saw diesel at over $4/gal last week in Monroe.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 09, 2014, 11:21:39 AM
I note on the Bedford Now forum a discussion about MCRC and the Monroe County commissioners.  It says that the MCRC does not take care of roads for cities like Monroe and Luna Pier.  If the Monroe County commissioners have any control over the MCRC I can see why they aren't to much interested in getting proper care for the the areas other than Monroe.
Of the 11 County Commissioners, 9 live in Monroe and probably could care less about the rest of us.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 09, 2014, 11:29:58 AM
Yes, I'm sure it is...   they're able to 'gouge' on heating fuels and get rid of the gasoline (by product in this case) at a reasonable price.  I thought I saw diesel at over $4/gal last week in Monroe.

Not really.  Refineries are changing formulations to summer blend and doing maintenance on facilities right now.  Most refineries handle maintenance issues after the first of every year.  Equipment don't run without proper care, just like your automobile don't.

Summer blend probably entails more Obamahol.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 11:33:54 AM
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“ We made the determination that we are in the maintenance business not the construction business,” Commissioner Joe Schumaker pointed out.

Read more at: [url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/feb/09/storms-snow-under-all-road-agencys-maintenance-bud/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/feb/09/storms-snow-under-all-road-agencys-maintenance-bud/[/url])


This is the best thing I've come out of the MCRC in years...

I see this as a big sign that electing the road commissioners is starting to work.

Cap'n Joe owns a contracting business and has a lot more knowledge than most would have in that area.  One of the other elected commissioners was also in the contracting business so maybe between them they've been able to educate the other 3.

This in itself is a big step 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 11:37:20 AM
I note on the Bedford Now forum a discussion about MCRC and the Monroe County commissioners.  It says that the MCRC does not take care of roads for cities like Monroe and Luna Pier.  If the Monroe County commissioners have any control over the MCRC I can see why they aren't to much interested in getting proper care for the the areas other than Monroe.
Of the 11 County Commissioners, 9 live in Monroe and probably could care less about the rest of us.

That is just plain NOT TRUE blue 2 (hey, I'm a poet)!!!

The county commissioners must reside in the area they represent.  Now, it's entirely possible that several of them MAY have a 48161 or 48162 zip code but that doesn't mean they live in (or represent) Monroe.

I'll find the link to their districts and post if if I can.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 09, 2014, 11:49:33 AM
Well, not a comissioner but I know where Bob "the plumber' Stammer lives....  right off M151 near Secor Road.  I'm sure he enjoys M151 regularly.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 11:54:43 AM
Here's the map...   not sure how easy it will be to see on here:

(http://www.co.monroe.mi.us/government/departments_offices/board_of_commissioners/images/commdist2011b_w_web.jpg)

As you can see Bedford Township actually has 2 reps out of the 9 (as it probably should have based on population).  Yes, you're sharing 1 with Whiteford but that is a very rural area and that rep also has the high residential rate of Bedford...  the Lambertville area.

Here's more info:

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DISTRICT 1:

Dundee Township;  Summerfield Township;  Ida Township;  City of Petersburg;  Village of Dundee

DISTRICT 2:

Milan Township;  London Township;  Exeter Township;  Raisinville Township;  City of Milan (Monroe Co. portion);  Village of Maybee

DISTRICT 3:

Ash Township;  Berlin Charter Township;  Village of Carleton;  Village of South Rockwood;  Village of Estral Beach.

 DISTRICT 4:

That portion of Frenchtown Charter Township north and east of a line starting at the Raisinville Township line following Bluebush Rd east to Kathleen Dr., then north on Kathleen Dr. to Sharon Dr., then east on Sharon Dr. to Bridge Dr., then north and east on Bridge Dr. to Reinhart Rd., then north on Reinhart Rd. to Lasalle Rd., then east on Lasalle Rd. to Telegraph Rd., then south on Telegraph Rd. to the Monroe city limits

DISTRICT 5:

That portion of the City of Monroe north of the River Raisin;  that portion of Frenchtown Township north of the River Raisin and south and west of a line starting at the Raisinville Township line following Bluebush Rd east to Kathleen Dr., then north on Kathleen Dr. to Sharon Dr., then east on Sharon Dr. to Bridge Dr., then north and east on Bridge Dr. to Reinhart Rd., then north on Reinhart Rd. to Lasalle Rd., then east on Lasalle Rd. to Telegraph Rd., then south on Telegraph Rd. to the Monroe city limits

DISTRICT 6:

That portion of the City of Monroe south of the River Raisin;  that portion of Monroe Charter Township north and east of a line starting at the Raisinville Township line, following Dunbar Rd. east to Hull Rd., south on Hull Rd. to Albain Rd., west on Albain Rd. to S. Dixie Hwy., south on S. Dixie Hwy. to the LaSalle Township line;  that portion of Frenchtown Charter Township lying south of the River Raisin

DISTRICT 7:

LaSalle Township;  Erie Township;  City of Luna Pier;  that portion of Monroe Charter Township south and west of a line starting at the Raisinville Township line, following Dunbar Rd. east to Hull Rd., south on Hull Rd. to Albain Rd., west on Albain Rd. to S. Dixie Hwy., south on S. Dixie Hwy. to the LaSalle Township line

DISTRICT 8:

That portion of Bedford Township north and east of a line starting at the Whiteford Township line following Erie Rd. east to Douglas Rd., south on Douglas Rd. to Sterns Rd., east on Sterns Road to Jackman Rd., south on Jackman Rd. to the state line 

DISTRICT 9:

Whiteford Township;  that portion of Bedford Township south and west of a line starting at the Whiteford Township line following Erie Rd. east to Douglas Rd., south on Douglas Rd. to Sterns Rd., east on Sterns Road to Jackman Rd., south on Jackman Rd. to the state line


This is all from:  http://www.co.monroe.mi.us/government/departments_offices/board_of_commissioners/districts.html (http://www.co.monroe.mi.us/government/departments_offices/board_of_commissioners/districts.html)

I can see where the reps from districts 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 could all possibly have a Monroe zip code but that does not mean they live in Monroe.

Whoever posted that on Bedford Now is either very, very, very mis-informed or is intentionally trying to stir something up. 

Bedford has 2 reps and the rest of the county and the City of Monroe only have 7...   I'm sure some would consider that to be out of balance if you wanted to focus on square miles or area!!!

Be careful what you listen to blue2 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 09, 2014, 12:14:27 PM
If the Monroe County commissioners have any control over the MCRC I can see why they aren't to much interested in getting proper care for the the areas other than Monroe.

I could be wrong, but I have been to a meeting or two when the RC is invited to the MC commission meetings there appears to be a split in support between the commissioners; however, the majority rules the board and they appear to be the RC's littlebitches.

There is no apparent control from the little I have seen......had them on the run a few years ago but Oley bailed them out.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 12:16:04 PM
blue2...

I think I see where your Bedford Now poster came up with their 'misinformation'!

Here is a link to the mailing addresses of all the Monroe County Commissioners.

Some have chosen to use their home address and others to use the county courthouse address (125 E 2nd st).  And of the ones that are using their home addresses they do have 'Monroe' zip codes.

Commissioner Brant has a 'Monroe' zip code but lives almost out to beautiful Downtown Maybee!!!   That's a long, long way from Monroe.

Link:  http://www.co.monroe.mi.us/government/departments_offices/board_of_commissioners/index.html (http://www.co.monroe.mi.us/government/departments_offices/board_of_commissioners/index.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 12:19:07 PM
I could be wrong, but I have been to a meeting or two when the RC is invited to the MC commission meetings there appears to be a split in support between the commissioners; however, the majority rules the board and they appear to be the RC's littlebitches.

There is no apparent control from the little I have seen......had them on the run a few years ago but Oley bailed them out.

And with the last election we now have a 'majority' of the road commissioners being elected by the voters and not appointed by the County Commissioners...

In my opinion this is long, long overdue and if I were a county commissioner (and I have no interest in being one) I'd push to have a special election and let the last 2 be voted in by the voters tomorrow!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 09, 2014, 12:22:09 PM
In my opinion this is long, long overdue and if I were a county commissioner (and I have no interest in being one) I'd push to have a special election and let the last 2 be voted in by the voters tomorrow!

Why would that be, BRD?  Not certain I understand what that gains or loses for either side.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 12:36:21 PM
Why would that be, BRD?  Not certain I understand what that gains or loses for either side.

The proof is in the pudding...

The road commissioners had all been appointed by the County Board of Commissioners for decades...  and with little or no input from the public.  Look at the mess that has turned into right here in Monroe County. 

Now that we've 'finally' seen the influence of the direct public voted in Road Commissioners that answer to the voters we're finally starting to see some progress.

Road Commissioner Schumacher's (hope I spelled it right) comment that they're finally going to focus at what they're good at shows some progress.

Hopefully in the next year or two we'll see some discussion on getting out of the state highway maintenance (wearing out their vehicles so they have to be in the garage when they should be plowing county and subdivision roads and streets) contract.  That is something they got into while under the thumb of the County Commissioners and I think we all see how that's been working out for the taxpayers in the county...   fair roads to drive on (slowly) if and when you can get out of your drive and to the state roads.

If the county drops the contract the state will then take care of them and I'll be able to drive down my plowed road and run into blue2 getting out of his plowed subdivision and we can all get on 75 or 23 and drive at a winter speed safely to where we all need to go!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 09, 2014, 12:51:31 PM
Ah, ok, now I can see where you are coming from.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 01:00:00 PM
Ah, ok, now I can see where you are coming from.

At one time since we've lived here (almost 30 years) all 3 (before they went to 5) of the 'appointed' road commissioners lived within about 5 miles of each other.  Obviously the MCRC could send one truck out to plow them out or patch their potholes and then those 3 'representatives' assumed the whole county was like that.

Now we have 5 and so far 3 have been elected and we're 'starting' to see some progress...

If Snyder would have followed through with his campaign promise on creating some road funding rather than just kicking the can down the road to the next governor maybe, just maybe we'd be seeing some real progress.  Getting representation is only half the battle though...  they need money to work with and Snyder has literally strangled the road commissions all across the state.

Yes some are better off than others (I'm guessing the ones that don't have to focus on state contracts) but many are complaining this winter...  it isn't just here in Monroe County!

WE didn't have the County Commissioners appointing the councilmen (or hottie woman) in the City of Monroe or in Luna Pier...  or for the school districts...  or for the townships!!!

Why did we ever think they should be appointing them for the road commissioners!?!?!?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 09, 2014, 02:44:12 PM
I believe 3 are still appointed. Shumaker, Zink and Roberts.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 09, 2014, 03:02:23 PM
Mav.....do you know by chance who those 3 would have been appointed by?  Current commissioners?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 09, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
The last round of commissioners appointed them at their last or next to last meeting.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 09, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
Thanks Mav......were all 3 initially" sponsored" by 3 separate commissioners?  I guess I am looking to find out if they were drinking buds with one or more of the commissioners, or if there was some merit used in their selection.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 09, 2014, 04:14:36 PM
BRD,  sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 05:05:49 PM
I believe 3 are still appointed. Shumaker, Zink and Roberts.

You're right on 3 still being appointed...  I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part that the elected were up to 3.

Fair warning...   memory is the 2nd function to go :o :o :o

Maybe they could put a little E or A after their names on the website ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 05:49:00 PM
Earlier I 'complained' that the County Board had been 'appointing' the Road Commissioners for 150 years and then it hit me that someone had actually just posted a few days ago that the road commission had just turned 100 last year.

I went to their website and did find this interesting 'history' of the road commission in Monroe County:

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History of the Monroe County Road Commission
 
Following an election by the people, a County Road System was authorized and the County Board of Road Commissioners was organized in 1913 in accordance with provision of Act #283 of Public Acts of 1909, as amended. This system provides for a three member Board serving six years terms, staggered so that one ends every even numbered year. The Board of County Commissioners appoints and fixes the amount of compensation of the Road Commissioners.
 
The Board of County Road Commissioners is a separate corporate body, which holds title to real estate and is subject to suit in its own name. The function of the Board is to formulate policies to maintain and improve roads within the County system so that roads are convenient and safe for public travel.
 
The Board supervises the employment of staff personnel and a union workforce of more than 130 persons and the expenditure in excess of $4,500,000.00 to repair, grade, drain, maintain, and improve more than 424 miles of primary roads and 855 miles of local roads. In addition, the Board contracts with the State of Michigan for the maintenance of 124 miles in Federal and State Trunkline highways throughout the County.
 
The Board meets daily in the conduct of its business, which includes the establishment of varying weight restrictions, dependent upon road and weather conditions, establishment of traffic controls, participation in railroad crossing safety determinations, utilization of the right of way by utilities and others, approval or disapproval of plats, contracting with townships for joint improvement of local roads, improvement of bridges awarding of bids for all purchases of equipment in excess of $2,500.00, contracting with adjoining counties for the maintenance of county line roads, act as a contact in dealing with the public, other units of government, agencies, boards, civic groups and the business community. Serve as members or executive officers on several road associated committees and board such as: ICHC, SEMCOG, TMACOG, TRAPA, ASMRC and CRAM. The Board also undertakes as agent of the County the supervision and maintenance of parks and other tasks delegated to it from time to time by the Board of County Commissioners.
 
The Commission renders an annual report to the County Board of Commissioners showing an itemized statement of all monies received and disbursed by it, which statement is published in the report of the proceedings of the Board of Commissioners. It also annually accounts to the State Highway Department for all roadwork and funds expended and is audited by the State Highway Department and Department of Treasury. It also submits bi-annually a highway and street program based upon long-range plan for State Highway Approval.
 
Dated: October 11, 1974

Wow...  in 1974 they were meeting daily...   I wonder what that was costing for coffee and donuts every day?

They had 130 employees in '74...   I believe the article in the MonroeNews a few days ago mentioned union employees in the 30s!  I wonder what the ratio of 'chiefs' to 'workers' was then vs. now?

And how do the budgets compare now to then...  did they do the state highways back then... it was before my time around here!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 05:52:16 PM
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The function of the Board is to formulate policies to maintain and improve roads within the County system so that roads are convenient and safe for public travel.

I wonder if the current board is aware of this?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 06:08:13 PM
I wonder if the current board is aware of this?

Well you can't say the roads aren't convenient...

now 'safe' would certainly be open to a lot of discussion :( :( :(

You might want to start a new thread for that one!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 06:52:36 PM
What would the truck driver say that jack knifed not even a mile into Michigan?

Safe?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 09, 2014, 06:57:29 PM
Probably started with the letter S, and also had 4 letters.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 07:03:14 PM
And I bet you time slowed way way down, and he or she had lots of time to contemplate how totally screwed they were.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 07:23:53 PM
What would the truck driver say that jack knifed not even a mile into Michigan?

Safe?

Actually they were in the southbound lanes and probably within about 300 yards of being out of Michigan...   probably even worse!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
And these determinations and suggestions were made at an illegal meeting.

again, I can't say they actually posted wherever they have to 'by law' but this is the notice that was on their website:

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MONROE COUNTY ROAD COMMISSION WORKSHOP SESSION
The Board of County Road Commissioners will hold a workshop session to discuss the budget, equipment and a pavement preservation plan on Thursday, February 6, 2014 from 8:30 a.m. – 10:30 a.m.  The workshop is open to the public.
The workshop will take place in the Board Room of the Road Commission offices located at 840 South Telegraph Road, Monroe, Michigan. 
                                                       
Cheryl A. U’Ran
Deputy Clerk to the Board

Posted:  Tuesday, January 28, 2014 @ 11 a.m.
Workshop Agenda Posted February 3, 201
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Individuals with disabilities requiring auxiliary aides, such as signers for the hearing impaired, should contact the Road Commission by writing to the above address to the attention of Cheryl A. U’Ran one week prior to the meeting.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Dan Hamilton on February 09, 2014, 08:04:33 PM

Whoever posted that on Bedford Now is either very, very, very mis-informed or is intentionally trying to stir something up. 

Those two generally go hand in hand.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 08:06:04 PM
You don't think well informed people try to stir things up sometimes?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Dan Hamilton on February 09, 2014, 08:12:12 PM
Actually they were in the southbound lanes and probably within about 300 yards of being out of Michigan...   probably even worse!!!
He almost escaped Monroe county.


Almost.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 09, 2014, 08:17:55 PM
He almost escaped Monroe county.


Almost.

He probably saw pavement and hit the accelerator too soon.....

 ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2014, 09:10:32 PM
He probably saw pavement and hit the accelerator too soon.....

 ;D

I don't know if the MCRC was out plowing or salting before the crash but they were out there after both salting and hauling loads of sand to dump on the fuel spill.  The nice thing about everything being frozen is the diesel can't soak into the ground.  If they got it with sand before it got to the creek they'll be good to just scoop up the sand and dispose of it.  Don't worry about that coming out of the road commission budget...  I'm sure the trucking company insurance company will play 'plenty' for that sand!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 09, 2014, 11:52:33 PM

Summer blend probably entails more Obamahol.....


Greaaaaaaat.

As soon as I put that in my truck, it will stop working.

Just like his website.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on February 10, 2014, 06:46:40 AM
MONROE COUNTY ROAD COMMISSION WORKSHOP SESSION
The Board of County Road Commissioners will hold a workshop session to discuss the budget, equipment and a pavement preservation plan  on Thursday, February 6, 2014 from 8:30 a.m. – 10:30 a.m.  The workshop is open to the public.
The workshop will take place in the Board Room of the Road Commission offices located at 840 South Telegraph Road, Monroe, Michigan. 
                                                       
Cheryl A. U’Ran
Deputy Clerk to the Board

Posted:  Tuesday, January 28, 2014 @ 11 a.m.
Workshop Agenda Posted February 3, 2014

...........Pavement Preservation Plan?  Typical Government jibberish.  Asphault ; Cold Patch ; Tar and Gravel, whatever. But 'Pavement Preservation Plan'?  Get real.  Now, if the statement was "CommisionerPreservation Plan', I could at least see the plausability in relationship to fund-raising and the usual fleecing.

Perhaps a "Folicle Perservation Plan" for myself and other folks daftly stroked by the wonderful "Touch of Grey" that the Grateful Dead sung about so long ago.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 10, 2014, 06:49:07 AM
Does this mean we have "Historical" pavement, so we need a "Preservationist" to work on it?

Too funny!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 10, 2014, 11:48:08 AM
I can see the preservationist wanting the roads leading to and around the National Park to be restored to their historic dirt trail origins...   

What will we do with the Islands in front of the Ice arena then?   ;D

What I found interesting is the results of the chip n seal roads from this winter...
you are starting to see the same cracks - bumps and almost potholes starting to come up from the deep...   like one of those scary movies  8)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 10, 2014, 05:50:03 PM
I can see the preservationist wanting the roads leading to and around the National Park to be restored to their historic dirt trail origins...   

What will we do with the Islands in front of the Ice arena then?   ;D

Hitching posts!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 10, 2014, 06:29:11 PM
What I found interesting is the results of the chip n seal roads from this winter...
you are starting to see the same cracks - bumps and almost potholes starting to come up from the deep...   like one of those scary movies  8)

Chip n Seal is a waste of money.

Made you really think they were doing something for what - 3-6 months?

Now you are right back to where you started.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 10, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
There are a couple of roads in Bedford Twp that they did the chip and seal treatment last fall.  The ones I've been on recently seem to be as good as they were when they finished the application.
After working in the stones for a few days they put some kind of a sealer on.  Maybe that's the difference.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 10, 2014, 06:54:11 PM
Chip n seal works if applied properly. The theory is that sealing the cracks will help prevent water from getting beneath the road and heaving in the winter like so many roads are doing right now. A liberal amount of tar has to be applied for that to work. Then a thin layer of stones is applied and preferably rolled in place to essentially keep the tar from splashing up on vehicles while it cures. The stones have the added benefit of adding bulk to the road.
Unfortunately the way the tar is applied in most cases around here is in a fine sprayed on layer that barely keeps the stones in place much less fills the cracks in the road.
If the cracks don't get filled then the whole process is a waste of money.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 10, 2014, 08:43:47 PM
Chip n seal works if applied properly. The theory is that sealing the cracks will help prevent water from getting beneath the road and heaving in the winter like so many roads are doing right now. A liberal amount of tar has to be applied for that to work. Then a thin layer of stones is applied and preferably rolled in place to essentially keep the tar from splashing up on vehicles while it cures. The stones have the added benefit of adding bulk to the road.
Unfortunately the way the tar is applied in most cases around here is in a fine sprayed on later that barely keeps the stones in place much less fills the cracks in the road.
If the cracks don't get filled then the whole process is a waste of money.

So you are saying the MCRC doesn't know how to do it correctly?

 8*
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 10, 2014, 09:45:23 PM
I think he's inferring that the MCRC is too cheap to do it right...,.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on February 10, 2014, 11:31:58 PM
I think from the top on down they don't understand the concept.

The same goes for paving. They put down a questionable base then 3 inches of base coat then 2 inched of finish coat. On paper that looks like a good road but in reality it won't hold up.
Take Bluebush rd for example. When Jerry Bartnik was the manager they hired Cadillac Asphalt to repave Bluebush from the village of Maybee to just past where Bluebush connects to Steffas rd. In 3 days they put down a cap of asphalt that was probably 4 inches at least at the crown and at least 8 inches if not more at the shoulders. That was in 1993 or 1994. That road has held up exceptionally well ever since.
You can't build roads with the intention of them looking black and smooth when they are done. You have to use the material that it takes to basically overbuild it.
Just because an engineer's stamp says it's good enough doesn't mean that it's good.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 11, 2014, 06:28:55 AM
I think from the top on down they don't understand the concept.

The same goes for paving. They put down a questionable base then 3 inches of base coat then 2 inched of finish coat. On paper that looks like a good road but in reality it won't hold up.
Take Bluebush rd for example. When Jerry Bartnik was the manager they hired Cadillac Asphalt to repave Bluebush from the village of Maybee to just past where Bluebush connects to Steffas rd. In 3 days they put down a cap of asphalt that was probably 4 inches at least at the crown and at least 8 inches if not more at the shoulders. That was in 1993 or 1994. That road has held up exceptionally well ever since.
You can't build roads with the intention of them looking black and smooth when they are done. You have to use the material that it takes to basically overbuild it.
Just because an engineer's stamp says it's good enough doesn't mean that it's good.

Do you know who did North Custer in Frenchtown from the City Line to Raisinville?

It is heaving terribly - no holes yet but there is no way is it going to hold up.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on February 11, 2014, 06:53:42 AM
I remain convinced it all goes back to 1876:  The Righteous General G A Custer told the Monroe Politic-Electorate "Don't do anything until I get back".

I have seen Downtown fade away into obscurity, for which electronic deposits and other electronic payments means have rendered foot traffic downtown unnecessary. The Legal Offices and Bail Bond complexes will continue to support the heroin-dependant and drunk drivers. I always thought Downtown would rebrand itself as a "Government Center", but that never happened. I'm not yet 50, but I haven't 'shopped' Downtown in 25 years. (Think Kresge's, Diamond's Menswear, Mr. R's, etc, etc) 

The roads suck, the infrastructure is crumbling, and I just dont see 140,000 people a year flocking to Monroe to witness a War from 200 years ago that no one I have ever met give's a rat's behind about. I work in Dundee, and would live here if I didn't have parents/in-laws so close to my home in the Floral City.

And when it's over, I'll wind up 6-feet-under in LaSalle anyway. That is, if the potholes don't jar me loose out of the hearse and spill me all over the road.

The good news? With the roads as bad as they are, I suspect the good people at Tenneco/Monroe Auto Equipment to stay where they are forever.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 11, 2014, 07:06:09 AM
And when it's over, I'll wind up 6-feet-under in LaSalle anyway. That is, if the potholes don't jar me loose out of the hearse and spill me all over the road.

That thought is so depressing that I've told everyone that will listen to cremate me and spread my ashes in the plastic grass of some football field where they used to be able to run for a first down.

I hope whoever does it for me doesn't get caught!

If they do I hope the U takes the donations I've made in the will and throughout my life into consideration at the sentencing hearings.

 ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 11, 2014, 08:48:25 AM
I remain convinced it all goes back to 1876: The Righteous General G A Custer told the Monroe Politic-Electorate "Don't do anything until I get back".

I have seen Downtown fade away into obscurity, for which electronic deposits and other electronic payments means have rendered foot traffic downtown unnecessary. The Legal Offices and Bail Bond complexes will continue to support the heroin-dependant and drunk drivers. I always thought Downtown would rebrand itself as a "Government Center", but that never happened. I'm not yet 50, but I haven't 'shopped' Downtown in 25 years. (Think Kresge's, Diamond's Menswear, Mr. R's, etc, etc) 

The roads suck, the infrastructure is crumbling, and I just dont see 140,000 people a year flocking to Monroe to witness a War from 200 years ago that no one I have ever met give's a rat's behind about. I work in Dundee, and would live here if I didn't have parents/in-laws so close to my home in the Floral City.

And when it's over, I'll wind up 6-feet-under in LaSalle anyway. That is, if the potholes don't jar me loose out of the hearse and spill me all over the road.

The good news? With the roads as bad as they are, I suspect the good people at Tenneco/Monroe Auto Equipment to stay where they are forever.

I like the Custer quote...  it's attributed to lots of things around Monroe - especially why they never expanded the City as people wanted city services in the outlying areas

You may be surprised how many people include "history" in their vacation and travel plans, and it will attract those who really enjoy re-enactments.   If you haven't enjoyed a battery of cannon firing - you may want to check it out/ when they get things organized.

I'm one of those who don't mind walking in the elements "FRESH AIR"...   it's what some refer to as exercise in any other setting  ;D
Actually I haven't shopped at a mall in quite a while - (If you ever knew someone in business ask them what mall rent is compared to stand alone building rent)
Jones for men, our own Mr. Beneteau's Jewelry store, and many small businesses from candy to books to shoes... 
I did the wine tour the DDA had this summer - and it was a pleasant surprise.

The only bad roads in that section now are where the City is redoing a water main.

Years ago some of my co-workers (firefighters) made a suggestion that before a road is redone - check with other utilities - as it never seemed to fail that as soon as it was done, someone else was tearing up a section for one thing or another.

Hopefully they still have that communication going - and the road commission learned from the City...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 11, 2014, 09:17:34 AM
Chip n seal works if applied properly. The theory is that sealing the cracks will help prevent water from getting beneath the road and heaving in the winter like so many roads are doing right now. A liberal amount of tar has to be applied for that to work. Then a thin layer of stones is applied and preferably rolled in place to essentially keep the tar from splashing up on vehicles while it cures. The stones have the added benefit of adding bulk to the road.
Unfortunately the way the tar is applied in most cases around here is in a fine sprayed on layer that barely keeps the stones in place much less fills the cracks in the road.
If the cracks don't get filled then the whole process is a waste of money.

I think from the top on down they don't understand the concept.

The same goes for paving. They put down a questionable base then 3 inches of base coat then 2 inched of finish coat. On paper that looks like a good road but in reality it won't hold up.
Take Bluebush rd for example. When Jerry Bartnik was the manager they hired Cadillac Asphalt to repave Bluebush from the village of Maybee to just past where Bluebush connects to Steffas rd. In 3 days they put down a cap of asphalt that was probably 4 inches at least at the crown and at least 8 inches if not more at the shoulders. That was in 1993 or 1994. That road has held up exceptionally well ever since.
You can't build roads with the intention of them looking black and smooth when they are done. You have to use the material that it takes to basically overbuild it.
Just because an engineer's stamp says it's good enough doesn't mean that it's good.


Probably 20 years ago the redid our road with 'chip n seal'.  I didn't like it a first because of all the little stones standing up.  I figured it was going to rip the tread right off my tires.

They had a contractor come in and they did three miles in just a couple of days.  Ground it, loaded it up to take to the 'recycling and brought it back as 'new' material.

The stretches of our road that were put down over sand have held up pretty good even today.  The stretches that were down lower 'in the clay' started deteriorating after about 10 years and have really gone in a hurry the last couple of years.

I sure do wish Snyder would quit kicking that can >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 11, 2014, 09:54:23 AM
Get rid of him and get a fresh foot in there that maybe won't 'kick the can'.  We already know that Snyder will.............

I see he's already making more pre-pre-pre election promisis he'll never keep.  He's become a 'professional' politician real fast.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 11, 2014, 10:26:11 AM
Get rid of him and get a fresh foot in there that maybe won't 'kick the can'.  We already know that Snyder will.............

I see he's already making more pre-pre-pre election promisis he'll never keep.  He's become a 'professional' politician real fast.

The 'nerd' label was only going to work one time...

all the unkept promises are catching up to him so now he's got to go into the 'professional politician' mode.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 11, 2014, 04:11:53 PM
Seems to me it would be a good idea to give road workers time off during the week when there isn't anything to do, like today.  I've seen the snow plows driving around doing practically nothing.  It's suppose to storm again this weekend and by then they will have their 40+ hours in so they will get  paid overtime.
I'm sure all this would have to be negotiated but hey, the MCRC is here to service us right???  right???
Ah, maybe not.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 11, 2014, 04:40:35 PM
Now now, Blue, stop being so logical!!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 11, 2014, 11:23:04 PM
Most of the counties up north use sand and/or hot sand and/or hot sand laced with brine and it works well.  Even Lenawee uses sand.  Why not Monroe?  Sand is a whole lot easier on your car's sheetmetal than salt, electrical systems too.

Hot sand bites into ice and provides a gritty surface that your tires can bite into.

Just makes sense to me, besides, we have a whole lot of sand in this county anyway.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 12, 2014, 05:44:54 PM
Most of the counties up north use sand and/or hot sand and/or hot sand laced with brine and it works well.  Even Lenawee uses sand.  Why not Monroe?  Sand is a whole lot easier on your car's sheetmetal than salt, electrical systems too.

Hot sand bites into ice and provides a gritty surface that your tires can bite into.

Just makes sense to me, besides, we have a whole lot of sand in this county anyway.

They've probably got a multi-year supply if they'd just dig a big pond over on their Summerfield parcel they've been trying (not very hard) to sell for the last few years.  Dig a big huge pond and maybe it will increase the value.  If not at least they'd have the sand ;) ;) ;)

Aerial view at:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9079487,-83.663274,590m/data= (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9079487,-83.663274,590m/data=)!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 12, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
The big blue snowplow has been down my street twice this week.  What a waste of someones time and our resources.  The street is all hard packed snow and ice.  The plow did nothing the first time but they came back again today.
What a joke we have with public agencies.  The MCRC has a contract with 40 or 50 workers that they work 8 hrs a day whether there is anything to do or not.  When there is no snow they either sit in the barn or just drive around burning up fuel.
I'd much rather they just sit in the barn and play cards as drive around wasting fuel.
The smart thing to do is guarantee them a 40 hr week and if the forecast in a few days is bad weather give the workers off until we need them.  Then there will be no overtime pay required or very little.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 12, 2014, 07:23:32 PM
The big blue snowplow has been down my street twice this week.  What a waste of someones time and our resources.  The street is all hard packed snow and ice.  The plow did nothing the first time but they came back again today.
What a joke we have with public agencies.  The MCRC has a contract with 40 or 50 workers that they work 8 hrs a day whether there is anything to do or not. When there is no snow they either sit in the barn or just drive around burning up fuel.
I'd much rather they just sit in the barn and play cards as drive around wasting fuel.
The smart thing to do is guarantee them a 40 hr week and if the forecast in a few days is bad weather give the workers off until we need them.  Then there will be no overtime pay required or very little.

I thought I read in one of the recent articles that the number of union employess were down into the 30s now.  The last I heard they worked a 4 10 hour day in the summertime so they could have a 3 day weekend.  I've often wondered why they would cut back on that in the wintertime.  My son works that year around.  They're just more productive by only having 4 of everything during the week.  Then if a job is critical they end up getting overtime on Friday and bigger overtime on Saturday and gi-normous overtime on Sunday!  Split the 4 days up so there's only one day of overlap and they have an available crew 7 days a week. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 12, 2014, 08:46:35 PM
I thought I read in one of the recent articles that the number of union employess were down into the 30s now.  The last I heard they worked a 4 10 hour day in the summertime so they could have a 3 day weekend.  I've often wondered why they would cut back on that in the wintertime.  My son works that year around.  They're just more productive by only having 4 of everything during the week.  Then if a job is critical they end up getting overtime on Friday and bigger overtime on Saturday and gi-normous overtime on Sunday!  Split the 4 days up so there's only one day of overlap and they have an available crew 7 days a week.

Gee - now you are looking for a win-win situation where the employee wins by getting 3 days off and the employer wins by getting better coverage of the work week.

That isn't what the MCRC is about.  Work your 4 10's and then get your Ginormous OT.  That is their plan.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 12, 2014, 11:54:07 PM
They've probably got a multi-year supply if they'd just dig a big pond over on their Summerfield parcel they've been trying (not very hard) to sell for the last few years.  Dig a big huge pond and maybe it will increase the value.  If not at least they'd have the sand ;) ;) ;)

Aerial view at:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9079487,-83.663274,590m/data= (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9079487,-83.663274,590m/data=)!3m1!1e3

I'm real familiar with it.  They actually had pie-in-the sky plans to sell off the frontage to a truck stop or a small strip mall, but that fizzled out.  You don'need a truckstop there when you have the rest area whores a few miles south on 23........ ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 13, 2014, 03:29:37 PM
I'm real familiar with it.  They actually had pie-in-the sky plans to sell off the frontage to a truck stop or a small strip mall, but that fizzled out.  You don'need a truckstop there when you have the rest area whores a few miles south on 23........ ;D
They built a nice road into their property...

No pot holes, nice and smooth, fresh paint every year...   
probably their testing grounds
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 15, 2014, 11:37:30 AM
They built a nice road into their property...

No pot holes, nice and smooth, fresh paint every year...   
probably their testing grounds

I've commented more than once that it's the smoothest stretch of road in Monroe County!!!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 15, 2014, 07:38:58 PM
I've commented more than once that it's the smoothest stretch of road in Monroe County!!!

Beyond a doubt, it is and it gets plowed and salted and the berms mowed regularly.  Problem is, it don't go anywhere...............

I saw Tenneco mentioned eadlier on.  Last year we loaned a couple semi tractors and a driver to Tenneco so they could test their new heavy truck shock absorber line.  They used the local (to them) secondary roads as the test track.  I figure they felt that was an excellent test.  The driver we loaned to them wasn't all that keen (on those roads)........
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 15, 2014, 08:25:44 PM
Who needs to build and maintain an expensive durability test track when you have Monroe County?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 15, 2014, 08:32:08 PM
Who needs to build and maintain an expensive durability test track when you have Monroe County?

Maybe if we get rid of 'kick the can' Snyder someone will actually follow through on their 'promise' to fund the road repair...  but then again if it happened a year ago it would 10 years before we could get them all repaired.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 15, 2014, 11:32:24 PM
If the state fully funded road repair (like they should), I really don't believe the roads could be brought up to snuff in my lifetime.  They are too far gone....  Kick the can has resulted in the 'can' falling in a large pothole....

I have to say that great advances have been made in automobile design suspension wise since I was a kid.  The cars that were built when I was a kid would never survive the beating cars take on Michigan roads today.

Growing up in Cleveland, we had an 'alley' in back of the house and that alley was smoother than most of the highways in Michigan...and it was a back alley.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 16, 2014, 08:30:18 AM
Maybe if we get rid of 'kick the can' Snyder someone will actually follow through on their 'promise' to fund the road repair...  but then again if it happened a year ago it would 10 years before we could get them all repaired.

Its been kick the can down the road Blanchard....  Engler....  Granny.....  Snyder if you insist.

Again - Snyder made proposals that your pretty boy Randy Richardville and the rest of the legislature on both sides of the aisle wouldn't even talk about.

I for one wasn't totally enthused about all of the proposals - especially the $300 plate when I have a few older cars I only take out for a few weeks a year....  The % gas tax made sense instead of the per gallon.  I was kind of astounded that he didn't address the EV/Hybrid plug in question - I think that is going to become a big component in the upcoming years - perhaps a surcharge on the plates to replace what would have been spent in gas tax would have been appropriate?  A per mile charge in tiers would make sense - but how do you monitor how many miles each vehicle goes without being intrusive?

The thing is Snyder attempted to get the discussion going multiple times, and Randy and his colleagues wouldn't come to the table. 

So maybe we should be kicking Randy, Bill, and Dale out of office too?  At least Snyder sees the need.  I guess you can fault him for failing to get the job done.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 16, 2014, 09:27:27 AM
Its been kick the can down the road Blanchard....  Engler....  Granny.....  Snyder if you insist.

Again - Snyder made proposals that your pretty boy Randy Richardville and the rest of the legislature on both sides of the aisle wouldn't even talk about.

I for one wasn't totally enthused about all of the proposals - especially the $300 plate when I have a few older cars I only take out for a few weeks a year....  The % gas tax made sense instead of the per gallon.  I was kind of astounded that he didn't address the EV/Hybrid plug in question - I think that is going to become a big component in the upcoming years - perhaps a surcharge on the plates to replace what would have been spent in gas tax would have been appropriate?  A per mile charge in tiers would make sense - but how do you monitor how many miles each vehicle goes without being intrusive?

The thing is Snyder attempted to get the discussion going multiple times, and Randy and his colleagues wouldn't come to the table. 

So maybe we should be kicking Randy, Bill, and Dale out of office too?  At least Snyder sees the need.  I guess you can fault him for failing to get the job done.

First off, Snyder using his 'can kicking' analogy showed immaturity and lack of knowledge about 'how politics really work'...   yes I know he said he was a nerd and not a politician but now he is very obviously a politician and even his staunchest supporters can't deny that.  He can say whatever he wants but his actions speak the truth on that!

He had the CEO attitude that he was going to ram this issue (along with several others) through.

Part of his problem is he got immediately de-railed and put way too much effort into his 2nd bridge to Canada efforts...   a bridge I still don't see that we really needed!!!  It's just going to bring more and more and more truck traffic to I-75 to wear it out, make it more difficult to drive on and 99% of the trucks are going to buy their fuel in Toledo or Windsor.  Maybe it's time to make the stretch from the state line to the new bridge a toll road?

Anyway, obviously the CEO thing didn't work and he should have realized it up front before he even used the 'kick the can' rhetoric. 

I'll give him an A for good intentions...   or at least 'promising the people something that 100% of them wanted to see'!!!

But 4 years later I have to give him an absolute F for 'delivery on the promise'.  And anyone that votes for him is telling him they don't care that he didn't deliver on the roads!!!

I remember when my Dad bought a beautiful (and expensive) polled Hereford bull to 'keep his cows company'!  The bull couldn't 'deliver' though...   my Dad kept him around for a couple of years and then sent him to the slaughter house...   Wendys bought him for bullburger (it has better flavor than cow meat)!!!  Snyder made lots of promises and didn't deliver so it's time to send him to Wendy!!!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 16, 2014, 09:55:09 AM
I'm sympathetic to Windsor on the international crossing.

Canada has been trying to get that bridge deal done for years.  They are financing the bridge.  They are essentially taking on the risk for the project, yet sharing the benefits.

Snyder looked at the project like a CEO, saw the opportunity, and took it.

I am also not a Matty Moroun fan.  He does not appear to be a good corporate citizen. 

The traffic increase on I75?  I'm not sure how much there will be, if any. 

Are all the trucks already crossing now at Windsor and Sarnia?  Will new intermodal traffic be now diverted to Windsor?

The only stretch of Highway that makes sense to be a toll road in Michigan is I 75 from the International Crossing to I80.  I would be okay if they did that.  I could avoid it easily.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 16, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
I'm sympathetic to Windsor on the international crossing.

Canada has been trying to get that bridge deal done for years.  They are financing the bridge.  They are essentially taking on the risk for the project, yet sharing the benefits.

Snyder looked at the project like a CEO, saw the opportunity, and took it.

I am also not a Matty Moroun fan.  He does not appear to be a good corporate citizen. 

The traffic increase on I75?  I'm not sure how much there will be, if any. 

Are all the trucks already crossing now at Windsor and Sarnia?  Will new intermodal traffic be now diverted to Windsor?

The only stretch of Highway that makes sense to be a toll road in Michigan is I 75 from the International Crossing to I80.  I would be okay if they did that.  I could avoid it easily.

I guess I can see being 'sympathetic' to the citizens of Windsor...   to a point...  yes, lots of truck traffic through town.  But, Matty's bridge isn't exactly a 'brand new' bridge that got suddenly 'dumped' on them.  I'm guessing the bridge has been there a lot longer than probably 98% of those same residents.

You sound like one of those people that move to the country next to the farmer that's been there 40 years and then throw a fit about the smell of his cattle and the noise of his equipment running late in the evening or early in the morning while YOU want to sleep.

This traffic didn't just spring up...  it's been there for probably as long as the bridge has.

I can't speculate on Moroun's 'good citizenship'...  he runs a 'for profit' business and he's had a lot of interference from both multiple levels of government including Canada.  I am not a fan of 'bigger government'...   no matter which 'party' you want to attribute the issues to.  There are a lot of 'for profit' businesses that I don't think are good corporate citizens or neighbors either...

Walmart comes to mind...  so I don't shop there but I don't advocate that Snyder or any other politician use my tax dollars to 'take that business down'...  they need to save that effort for something like the war on drugs...   

Look how good that's working out :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 16, 2014, 10:26:51 AM
Do you realize you complain about the truck traffic on the bridge on I75 through Monroe County.....  that is on a Freeway....  built for the loads and size of vehicles....

But that same truck traffic goes on surface streets through the City of Windsor?

Yet you say the Citizens of Windsor shouldn't complain about that....  because it has always been there?

But I seem to remember you noting that the truck traffic has increased on I75 in Monroe...  don't you think the same has happened on the City Streets in Windsor?

How can you complain about the traffic on a Freeway in our county - but not feel sympathy for a community that has that traffic on a local surface street?

I mean seriously - if a Sovereign country - our neighbor - and a good neighbor - wants to finance and build a bridge to resolve an issue in their country, shouldn't our Governor assist them in every way he can?  Shouldn't neighboring governmental units cooperate to solve problems and improve the quality of life for its citizens?

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 16, 2014, 10:38:23 AM
Actually, Dwight Eisenhower initiated the Interstate highway system for transportation of military hardware and troop movement in case of war (I'm sure the underlying motive was civil unrest even back then) because, you have to understand that whats occurring today has it's roots embedded deep in American history......

All Interstate highways are designed for heavy loads, like tanks and the roadway width is designed for landing of military planes (not that I'd want to land a C5A Hercules on I75 northbound between the Ohio line and 275...... ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 16, 2014, 10:45:05 AM
Ike got the idea after seeing how mobile the Autobahn made troop movement for Hitler in defending the Reich.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 16, 2014, 10:54:54 AM
Absolutely.  Controlling the masses has been the credo of the central government for decades.  It's just been brought to the forefront by Obama openly and brazenly fiddling with the Constitution instead of discrete manipulation....and Obama is an olaf and that makes it appear even more brazen.

In essence, Obama is nothing more than a continuation of an old and ingrained philosophy that central government has had.

Which has nothing to do with the Road Commish except that they operate under the same philosophy on a much smaller scale.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 16, 2014, 10:57:51 AM
Which has nothing to do with the Road Commish except that they operate under the same philosophy on a much smaller scale.

Awesome way to complete the circle!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 16, 2014, 12:36:41 PM
Do you realize you complain about the truck traffic on the bridge on I75 through Monroe County.....  that is on a Freeway....  built for the loads and size of vehicles....

But that same truck traffic goes on surface streets through the City of Windsor?

Yet you say the Citizens of Windsor shouldn't complain about that....  because it has always been there?

But I seem to remember you noting that the truck traffic has increased on I75 in Monroe...  don't you think the same has happened on the City Streets in Windsor?

How can you complain about the traffic on a Freeway in our county - but not feel sympathy for a community that has that traffic on a local surface street?

I mean seriously - if a Sovereign country - our neighbor - and a good neighbor - wants to finance and build a bridge to resolve an issue in their country, shouldn't our Governor assist them in every way he can?  Shouldn't neighboring governmental units cooperate to solve problems and improve the quality of life for its citizens?

Sure I complain about truck traffic and on more than just any of the bridges (but so do you) but I don't think you've ever heard me say "those trucks shouldn't be there"...   they are there and I deal with it the best way I know how and you deal with the best way you know how.

What I don't do is stick my nose into some other country's  business....  our government has gotten way too 'over' involved with that...   just more 'bigger' govnerment as far as I'm concerned.  We need to get out of all our interference overseas and yes...  right next door in Canada too.  And they need to stay on their side of the Lake or River too. 

The fact is Windsor has had 50+ years to deal with this through zoning or building a new highway or condemnation of the affected area or whatever.  Why have those people continued to buy those homes and then complain about the traffic.  This traffic didn't just suddenly start the day Snyder took office.  I remember going to Windsor a few nights back when we had to be 21 to drink in Michigan but not in Windsor...   trucks lined up for as far as you could see...  thank goodness the tunnel was there.

For what Canada will be plowing into all of this new bridge they could have bought every house in Windsor and then put up a 'toll road' approach (it would only have to be a mile long) to recoup their investment.  But instead a foreign government along with a state governor are interfering with a long established and privately owned Michigan business.

Are there politics involved...  you know darned well this is more of a 'payback' to Matty than it is any real concern with the traffic in downtown Windsor!

I wonder how Snyder would have felt if Canada would have suddenly decided to 'interfer' with his computer company?

Like I said...   I'm not a big fan of Walmart either but I'd sure be upset if Canada suddenly wanted to finance a competing chain of stores!  And no, I wouldn't shop there either ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: rwwjr on February 16, 2014, 05:38:30 PM
1015 this morning, headed out to Romulus near airport, snowing halfway decent.  Headed north on N Monroe St, terrible condition.  Hit Stewart Rd, N Monroe St in excellent condition, all the way north to Flat Rock.  Inside Flat Rock, center turn lane and inside lane snow covered.  North of Van Horn Rd, both lanes slushy,  Eureka Rd west to Middlebelt Rd, fine.  Middlebelt Rd fine.  Came home 75 from S Huron River with no problems UNTIL N Dixie  From Detroit Ave to Noble, center turn lane snow covered, and driving lane slushy but manageable.  Point?  City streets were in horrible condition compared to Monroe and most of Wayne Counties
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 16, 2014, 09:35:51 PM
It snows everyday.  I haven't seen the road for at least a month but I know it's under there...somewhere.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 17, 2014, 06:46:44 AM
1015 this morning, headed out to Romulus near airport, snowing halfway decent.  Headed north on N Monroe St, terrible condition.  Hit Stewart Rd, N Monroe St in excellent condition, all the way north to Flat Rock.  Inside Flat Rock, center turn lane and inside lane snow covered.  North of Van Horn Rd, both lanes slushy,  Eureka Rd west to Middlebelt Rd, fine.  Middlebelt Rd fine.  Came home 75 from S Huron River with no problems UNTIL N Dixie  From Detroit Ave to Noble, center turn lane snow covered, and driving lane slushy but manageable.  Point?  City streets were in horrible condition compared to Monroe and most of Wayne Counties

My wife mentioned that a few days ago...   she works just across the county line and takes Telegraph to Flat Rock and then to work.  Some days the streets are all snow covered when she gets there (usually about 5:45am) and some days they've been cleaned.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: John Kopke on February 17, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
I live in Detroit Beach. We pay a nominal fee to the beach each year for road maintenance,
grass cutting, and snow plowing. They do a really good job. I've noticed the job done to clear
snow from our streets is light years from what I saw in Monroe. My sympathy. Let's just say
I appreciate getting what I paid for.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2014, 10:29:06 PM
I predict that with tonites snow, the MCRC falls flat on it's keester.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 19, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
An interesting article from the State Road Commission Association.

Lots of info but this caught my eye:

Quote
Road Commissions were created by a countywide vote of the people and should only be dissolved
by a vote of the electorate.

 Since the Engler Administration, bills have been introduced allowing a county board of
commissioners to absorb the duties of the county road commission by resolution. These bills are
little more than political power grabs! County Road Commissions were created by a vote of the
people, and any attempts to change their composition by consolidation or regionalization should
require a vote of the electorate in the affected counties
. House Bills 5125 and 5126 circumvent
the electoral process


More at:  http://www.micountyroads.org/PDF/HB_5125_5126.pdf (http://www.micountyroads.org/PDF/HB_5125_5126.pdf)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 19, 2014, 11:01:09 AM
OK, I admit I'm really hung up on the concept of adding recycled tires to new and rebuilt road surfaces.  I've been doing lots and lots of reading and this makes sense.  I know we have at least one asphalt plant right in Monroe Township at the quarry on Telegraph Road.  At this point I have no idea what additional costs would be involved for them to be able to manufacture this type of material.

I'm going to post some more links for anyone else that's interested and I admit that some may be duplicates of the ones I posted last week...  sorry, you should see the desktop on my computer though...  I've got about 30 pages on this all open at the same time!

http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/Tires/GreenRoads/ (http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/Tires/GreenRoads/)

http://news.georgiasouthern.edu/magazine/2013/04/15/turning-tires-into-roads/ (http://news.georgiasouthern.edu/magazine/2013/04/15/turning-tires-into-roads/)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2008/07/old-tires-make.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2008/07/old-tires-make.html)

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-06-08/news/mn-880_1_rubber-road (http://articles.latimes.com/1993-06-08/news/mn-880_1_rubber-road)

http://israel21c.org/environment/on-the-road-again-for-old-tires/ (http://israel21c.org/environment/on-the-road-again-for-old-tires/)

http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/tires/RAC/ (http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/tires/RAC/)

http://epa.gov/smm/web-academy/2013/pdfs/amirkanian.pdf (http://epa.gov/smm/web-academy/2013/pdfs/amirkanian.pdf)

Saginaw county did their first 'experiment' in 2005.  That stretch should be showing some idea of how long these roads are going to last!

Quote
Projects completed by the Saginaw County Road Commission (SCRC) include:
Sheridan Road – Fisher to Williamson – 2 Miles – 2005
Bell Road – Busch to Townline – 1 Mile – 2006
Curtis Road – Sheridan to Bell – 2 Miles – 2007
Townline Road – Brennan to Steel – 2 Miles – 2007
Hackett Road – M-47 to McCarty – 0.75 Mile – 2011
N. Thomas Road – Geddes to Frost – 1.75 Miles – 2011
Ferden Road – Frandsche to Sharon – 1.1 Mile – 2011
Beyer Road – King to Bradley – 0.9 Mile – 2011
Frank Road – Frankenmuth C.L. to Roedel – 0.5 Miles – 2011


Above from:  http://ra-foundation.org/?newsletter=michigan-rubberized-asphalt-projects-continue-to-build-database-of-experience (http://ra-foundation.org/?newsletter=michigan-rubberized-asphalt-projects-continue-to-build-database-of-experience)

http://www.forconstructionpros.com/article/11248243/michigan-dot-gives-new-meaning-to-the-phrase-where-the-rubber-meets-the-road-by-using-crumb-rubber-asphalt (http://www.forconstructionpros.com/article/11248243/michigan-dot-gives-new-meaning-to-the-phrase-where-the-rubber-meets-the-road-by-using-crumb-rubber-asphalt)

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 19, 2014, 12:23:32 PM
I live in Detroit Beach. We pay a nominal fee to the beach each year for road maintenance,
grass cutting, and snow plowing. They do a really good job. I've noticed the job done to clear
snow from our streets is light years from what I saw in Monroe. My sympathy. Let's just say
I appreciate getting what I paid for.

Us DTE rate payers are glad you enjoy our "FREE" Fermi dollars  8*

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 19, 2014, 01:00:47 PM
Us DTE rate payers are glad you enjoy our "FREE" Fermi dollars  8*

Is that what is in the ** other that I can't really find out what it is for or what the % is or what it is billed off of?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 19, 2014, 04:34:29 PM
Is that what is in the ** other that I can't really find out what it is for or what the % is or what it is billed off of?

That's it...

goes straight to the Frenchtown Resort Authority ;) ;) ;)

I always enjoyed the 'rumors' that anyone that lived within the 2 mile radius of Fermi didn't have to pay for their electricity too 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 19, 2014, 05:08:41 PM


The Resort District is an assessment district created by Frenchtown Charter Township in 1986 in accordance with Public Act 59 of 1986.  The act permits establishment of such district in order to rehabilitate a definite district.

 A millage vote held in 1986 and a 3 mill levy on all property in the district was approved for 5 years.  This millage was renewed in 1991(5 years),1996 (5 years) 2001(10 years).  Three separate issues of bonds in the amount of 23 million dollars were sold to finance construction.  The construction project included 42 miles of paving, 6 large pumping stations, and over 80 miles of storm drains.  All bonds were paid off in 2001.

 The Resort District is semi-independent of the Township, except the Township Board must approve of the appointment of the Director, board members and annual budget.

 The Resort Authority is governed by a five member board.  Members of the Resort Authority Board are: two members of the Township Board; two representatives of the Resort District living in the district and appointed by the Township Board; and a representative of the largest industry (Detroit Edison).

 The Resort Authority, working with the Monroe County Drain Commission, is responsible for maintaining positive drainage for the area including the six pumping stations.  The Resort Authority also maintains the streets.  In addition, street lighting and drainage assessments are paid by the Resort Authority.

 The Resort Authority Board scheduled an election for renewal of the Resort District for 10 years in 2011.  The residents of the Resort District voted for the Resort District to be renewed for 10 years ending in 2021.

http://www.frenchtownresortdistrict.org/General%20Info.html (http://www.frenchtownresortdistrict.org/General%20Info.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 19, 2014, 05:33:56 PM

When I say it is "FREE" money from DTE -
Anyone in business knows it is ultimately passed on to the rate payers... 
here's the documentation in the resort authorities "advertisement"

=========================================
71 cents of every dollar spent comes from Detroit Edison

http://www.frenchtownresortdistrict.org/Renewal%20of%20Resort.html (http://www.frenchtownresortdistrict.org/Renewal%20of%20Resort.html)

==========================================
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 19, 2014, 05:45:19 PM
When I say it is "FREE" money from DTE -
Anyone in business knows it is ultimately passed on to the rate payers... 
here's the documentation in the resort authorities "advertisement"

=========================================
71 cents of every dollar spent comes from Detroit Edison

[url]http://www.frenchtownresortdistrict.org/Renewal%20of%20Resort.html[/url] ([url]http://www.frenchtownresortdistrict.org/Renewal%20of%20Resort.html[/url])

==========================================


And anyone that pays income taxes knows that DTE writes off every penny of this before they send in their check to the IRS!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 20, 2014, 07:10:32 PM
When I say it is "FREE" money from DTE -
Anyone in business knows it is ultimately passed on to the rate payers... 
here's the documentation in the resort authorities "advertisement"

=========================================
71 cents of every dollar spent comes from Detroit Edison

[url]http://www.frenchtownresortdistrict.org/Renewal%20of%20Resort.html[/url] ([url]http://www.frenchtownresortdistrict.org/Renewal%20of%20Resort.html[/url])

==========================================
Not every dollar "spent"...it says "collected"
And that info was from way back in 2011...DTE has had their valuation adjusted lower since then.
The bottom line...the township collected taxes from a business much like every other municipal government entity does...and in my opinion...not enough for having a nuclear facility in our backyard.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 21, 2014, 09:48:50 AM
Not every dollar "spent"...it says "collected"
And that info was from way back in 2011...DTE has had their valuation adjusted lower since then.
The bottom line...the township collected taxes from a business much like every other municipal government entity does...and in my opinion...not enough for having a nuclear facility in our backyard.
"collect" or "spend" its all the same in a extra voted millage,
unless the authority is creating a savings account for the future
(interesting no budget available on website)

Either way the Beaches are benefiting from this extra Fermi $$,
not the rest of the township
almost all the city services... 
nice that the other citizens in the township don't seem to mind if you get City Services and they don't...

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 09:58:14 AM
There were a couple of minor injury auto crashes this morning.  Once the FD was on the scene of at least the one on Telegraph just south of M-151 they were requesting the Road Commission to bring some salt.  All the snow melt and rain yesterday which was then tracked 'everywhere' then froze last night. 

Apparently the road commission hadn't been out salting or sanding this morning :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 22, 2014, 10:22:28 AM
I went out Plank yesterday.....

There are places that to say it is a one lane road would be generous.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 22, 2014, 10:34:54 AM
I got off the beaten path yesterday when I picked up my oldest daughter over in the Milan area to bring her over to Monroe for the weekend.  That road that goes out to Moorsville is generally in very good condition, but it was falling apart as fast as the city roads in Milan are.  This is just a tough weather condition for all roads from the best I can tell. 

The roads are eroding at a fast pace and the Spring thaw is going to have every road in the region totally degraded. 

Gonna be a tough Spring on cars.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 10:43:53 AM
I got off the beaten path yesterday when I picked up my oldest daughter over in the Milan area to bring her over to Monroe for the weekend.  That road that goes out to Moorsville is generally in very good condition, but it was falling apart as fast as the city roads in Milan are.  This is just a tough weather condition for all roads from the best I can tell. 

The roads are eroding at a fast pace and the Spring thaw is going to have every road in the region totally degraded. 


Invest in some more Tenneco stock:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TEN (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TEN)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 10:45:21 AM
I went out Plank yesterday.....

There are places that to say it is a one lane road would be generous.

And it had been raining and thawing by yesterday to you were seeing the 'widetrack' version!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 22, 2014, 10:46:53 AM
Invest in some more Tenneco stock:

[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TEN[/url] ([url]http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TEN[/url])


No doubt......wheels with low profile tires (like mine) are going to pay the price too.

Just from reading the Free Press and M-Live, this is going to be a state wide issue.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 22, 2014, 10:55:44 AM
People, in general are going to have to slow down and leave earlier for work (instead of 10 minutes before clock in to drive 30 miles)..... and just slow down so they can drive around the potholes (pothole is an understatement) more like mini-sinkholes......

We are a month from frost law time (Frost Laws, something I feel is nothing more than a cash cow for local government and the state)...  Frost laws are meaningless ecept for the fines levied against truckers.

We don't need a frost law this year especially.  All the 'roads' (tongue-in-cheek) are returning to a prmitive state (gravel/dirt) very quickly, not that most were to be considered highways in the first place.

\My gripe about the Road Commish is, there shouldn't be a Road Commish in the first place and if it can only be dissolved by the electorate, maybe it's time a petition is strted to put that on the ballot in Monroe County and let the citizens (at least the ones that vote) decide.

That 'can' needs 'kicked' out of existence and it's employees and funds sucking upper management need to be unemployed.  Can you imagine the funds influx from the sale of 51 properties held by the commish or the funds benerated by the sale of the Telegraph Road facility or the property in Summerfield Township....  Those proceeds should be divided among the townships equally (according to population) and let the townships handle their respective roads with township funding from township citizens and let the state maintain it's own highways.

It would be a whole lot less complkex and a whole bunch less costly to each and every taxpayer in Monroe County because right now, we all get less for more.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 22, 2014, 10:58:24 AM
I'm thankful for my Pro-Grade Goodyear Wrangler tires on my truck.  They have super-tough kevlar belts, that help them survive the brutal roads I drive on, and hitting curbs and such while plowing.  They were ungodly expensive, but I won't buy any other tire again for my trucks.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 22, 2014, 11:09:19 AM
Goodyear All Terrain, KO. KD for me or Continental Pro Contact AT's with 4 ply sidewalls.

Gonna be many, many, many cars with thoise swoopy low profile tires and fancy rims with square wheels and blowout's in the next few weeks I suspect.

First thing I always looked at when I bought a new vehicle was the tires and rims.  I wanna see lots of sidewall and substantial rims.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 11:12:48 AM
I'm thankful for my Pro-Grade Goodyear Wrangler tires on my truck.  They have super-tough kevlar belts, that help them survive the brutal roads I drive on, and hitting curbs and such while plowing.  They were ungodly expensive, but I won't buy any other tire again for my trucks.

Interesting...  about 10-12 years ago I had several broken belts so I went to some of Michelin's best (at that time) and it did 'help' but I still had a couple after that.  Our road was in pretty bad shape at the time so I'm sure it was a contributing factor.

The thing about tires is on the outside they still look pretty much like they did 40 years ago...  round and black!!!  But, as you point out there have been plenty of improvements.  Just went through this with our youngest daughter as she had to buy 2 new tires for her car.  She didn't understand my thought process of putting $250 tires on a $200 car.  But she can't get over how much better it goes in the snow and handles out on the 'clean' highway.  Btw...  the $250 did include road hazard insurance which I wouldn't buy tires without buying the insurance (which used to be included in the price of the tire way back when)!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 22, 2014, 11:16:17 AM
Strange - I found Good Year to be the WORST for losing belts and sidewall bulges.

A kid at work coincidently just bulged out the sidewall on his Good Year last week.

Maybe the Pro Grade is the exception to that rule.  You do get what you pay for in tires.

I won't buy Good Year.  I stick to Michelin, and if I can't get those.....  I'll settle for a Bridgestone.

Yes I know - nice foreign tires.

 :P
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 11:22:47 AM
Strange - I found Good Year to be the WORST for losing belts and sidewall bulges.

A kid at work coincidently just bulged out the sidewall on his Good Year last week.

Maybe the Pro Grade is the exception to that rule.  You do get what you pay for in tires.

I won't buy Good Year.  I stick to Michelin, and if I can't get those.....  I'll settle for a Bridgestone.

Yes I know - nice foreign tires.

 :P

I worked at a local GoodYear farm dealer in the late 60s...  those were still the days of Rayon and Nylon belts.  We always called the nyon ones "Nylon bump bumps" since they'd get a 'flat spot' when you parked them and then it would take a couple of miles for them to get 'round' again!  Maybe those would be an 'improvement' today if you could just get the 'flat spot' to bridge the pothole :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 22, 2014, 11:23:19 AM
Hate to bust your bubbles but most tires are made by Goodyear and that includes domestic Michelin and most are made out in Oklahoma at the Goodyear plant there.  I have a friend who worked there so I'm 'informed' about tires and how they are constructed.

They make 70,000 tires a shift (on 3 shifts, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year) for the domestic market and have 3,000,000 tires on hand in warehouses at any one time.

You see tires are like oil filters, they come from ther same factory, off the same layering and vulcanizing machines, with different names in the sidewalls (for the most part).
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 22, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
Continental's facility in Mt. Vernon, Illinois kicks out about that many tires too.  They make under many names too....General. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 11:57:26 AM
There's a big (maybe not in comparison but looks big when you see it) Cooper tire plant just down I75 in Findlay.

Goodyear and Firestone both have corporate headquarters in Ohio...  or at least they did at one time.

My uncle worked for B.F. Goodrich in Akron.  At one time my Dad had a Buick with BFGs on it and it would get big air bubbles on the sidewall.  We took it into the Buick dealer and all he did was take out his pocket knife and poked a small hole in them.  Said whenever we got a new bubble to just do that.  Needless to say when the car needed tires (20,000 miles back then was fairly common for life of a tire) he did not buy BFGs again!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 22, 2014, 12:02:36 PM
Bridgestone owns Firestone.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 22, 2014, 12:40:04 PM
I have 20" Goodyear Wranglers on my truck.  Never have had good traction with them.  I am ready to replace with probably Bridgestone because they are quite a bit cheaper than Michelin.  Was going to replace before winter but boy am i glad i didn't with all the potholes.  I'd hate to ruin a new tire in one of those.  But it might be june or july before they are all filled.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 22, 2014, 01:05:51 PM
Bridgestone owns Firestone.....
They started putting forth the Bridgestone name - after the Ford/Firestone tire flap.

Bridgestone also makes Golf Balls  :-)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 22, 2014, 01:30:19 PM
Ford really put the screws to them over that fiasco......and ultimately it was the design of the vehicle that was the issue.  Ford may have not taken government money, but that is about the most unethical bunch of people I have ever dealt with....including Henrick Fiskar.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 22, 2014, 02:14:31 PM
Strange - I found Good Year to be the WORST for losing belts and sidewall bulges.

A kid at work coincidently just bulged out the sidewall on his Good Year last week.

Maybe the Pro Grade is the exception to that rule.  You do get what you pay for in tires.

I won't buy Good Year.  I stick to Michelin, and if I can't get those.....  I'll settle for a Bridgestone.

Yes I know - nice foreign tires.

 :P

I always thought that to be the case, too.  But then the last time I bought tires for my F-350 at Joe Lake, they convinced me to try the Pro Grade Goodyears.  Damn things are tough as nails!  I was a Michelin man before that, and still like Michelin or Cooper on our Explorer.  But the guy saw my plow on my truck, and showed me the Pro Grade Goodyears, and I couldn't believe how stiff the side walls and tread were.  They were about $1,300 if memory serves (four tires), and they have been on the truck for about 60,000 miles, and are only about half way worn down.  I'll get another 40,000 miles out of them, easily.  Expensive, yes, but a good value, I think.  They ride like crap, but I don't care.  It's a heavy truck.  That was what I expected.  All in all, I highly recommend them, but only on a work truck.  A typical half ton pickup, and I think you will be disappointed with the ride.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on February 22, 2014, 02:52:29 PM
Granted, this thread is now on a Tire-specific topic.........
The biggest number of customer complaints so far this Winter is  that "my vehicle is Sliding" or more complaints/comments about traction in general. Granted, this Winter has been a *****, but since the Automakers are regulated to be "All About Economy", you see more vehicles with "All Season" tires. Regardless of manufacturer, All-Season doesn't come close to "All Terrain".

The regulatorily-mandated extra MPG isnt worth a rat's *** in heavy snow or slush. My Grand Cherokee will get GY Wrangler All Terrain's as soon as these Michelin All Season wear out. Great tire on the highway, and great MPG.

Just sayin'...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 22, 2014, 02:59:44 PM
I've really noticed the last 3-4 models years the tires put on the cars at my company are all about low rolling resistance.

The trade off to that is no traction dry, less traction wet, and no traction in the ice and snow.

To me it isn't worth my life to get an extra 1-2 mpg but give up traction that I might need to stop, turn, or accelerate at a critical time.

Of course all of these tires are rated "All Seasons."

Again - I have Winter tires on my car.  They are a great investment - especially this year.

I blame Obama for all this insanity.

 ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 03:45:38 PM
We bought a '99 Ranger that had the Wilderness AT tires...  identical to what was going on the Explorer.  We hadn't had it very long when I had a sidewall blow out...  a triangle about 2" across.  I took it into Firestone and they song and danced around and said it must be 'my fault!  Impact break!!!  I explained to him this wasn't my first rodeo and that I had a pretty strong background in tires.  They still insisted it wasn't 'their problem' and wouldn't even allow me any kind of discount to replace the one tire.  I left there and went to Joe Lake's and put 4 Michelin light duty truck tires on it.  Better traction, smoother ride and at least I could sleep at night.

I did keep that tire and the other '3' that were still probably 60-70% tread left.  I save all my 15" tires for wagon tires...  no matter how little tread they have left.  The rest used to go to the incinerator at Holcim's!!! 

I saw one of them up in the barn just a couple of days ago.  Probably the one that blew out.  I told the guy at Firestone I'd never buy another Firestone tire again...  from him or anywhere else!  And I've held to that.  And, I've never bought another Bridgestone even though I had put them on a couple of the old Shadow Sundances from the 90s and even had one of their corporate credit cards.

After the recall came out I took the blowed out tire back down there (they probably saw the new Michelins on the Ranger when I pulled in...  carried it in and had round 2 go around.  He did say that if that tire was on an Explorer he'd give me credit but since he 'knew' it wasn't I was just SOL!!!

I still flip him off sometimes when I drive by there ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 03:59:24 PM
I've really noticed the last 3-4 models years the tires put on the cars at my company are all about low rolling resistance.

The trade off to that is no traction dry, less traction wet, and no traction in the ice and snow.

To me it isn't worth my life to get an extra 1-2 mpg but give up traction that I might need to stop, turn, or accelerate at a critical time.

Of course all of these tires are rated "All Seasons."

Again - I have Winter tires on my car.  They are a great investment - especially this year.

I blame Obama for all this insanity.

 ;D

I'm pretty sure you 'know' better...  but just in case you've forgotten all that rolling resistance is due to CAFE requirements. 

Those tires are on there to make 'your company' look better to the government...  when the engineers can't design an engine or a transmission that will get their CAFE numbers up into the required range then they just install those 'EZ roll tires that aren't good for much of anything except rolling easy and getting their CAFE numbers up :( :( :(

NOT for the good of the customer :o :o :o

As for the President that signed that way, way back in 1975... if I still remember right  that was your buddy Gerald R. 'I'm from Michigan' Ford! 

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 22, 2014, 04:16:53 PM
Do they still make tires with studs for the winter?   I recall my parents having the winter set of tires back in the day...   

Our winters have been so mild lately we've gotten away from even thinking of winter tires around here it seems.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 22, 2014, 04:33:54 PM
I use to have snow tires with studs.  They banned studs because they tore up the pavement.  Almost everyone i knew in the 50's 60's had snow tires in the garage they would put on for the winter.  Then somewhere along the way they came out with all weather tires.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 22, 2014, 04:37:01 PM
I'm pretty sure you 'know' better...  but just in case you've forgotten all that rolling resistance is due to CAFE requirements. 

Those tires are on there to make 'your company' look better to the government...  when the engineers can't design an engine or a transmission that will get their CAFE numbers up into the required range then they just install those 'EZ roll tires that aren't good for much of anything except rolling easy and getting their CAFE numbers up :( :( :(

NOT for the good of the customer :o :o :o

As for the President that signed that way, way back in 1975... if I still remember right  that was your buddy Gerald R. 'I'm from Michigan' Ford!

Obama pushed the last round of fuel economy increases on us - not Gerald Ford.  They got rammed through in the first year of office during the Democrats were going to save us all from ourselves party.  He also gave a very short cycle to meet it.  I kind of wondered how we were going to pull it off.

So how was it achieved?  The usual way.  Thinner metal, lower rolling resistance tires, low rolling resistance bearings with low seal drag that will probably fail prematurely, and more and more insane combustion timing events with exotic catalysts.

A few years ago a big thing talked about was torsional rigidity.  Everyone wanted a nice, stiff body and chassis.  I don't read about that so much anymore.  Now it is about make it as thin as you can every where you can, and put just enough structure where you have to so you can pass certification tests and get your IIHS stars.

My car is now.....8 years old, and it was the last model year of a car that launched 11 or so years ago - so pretty ancient technology wise.  No bluetooth, No Navi, No save you if you take that corner too fast slip control, about half the airbags of a new model.  The more I see the new stuff the more I appreciate what I have.  It is very stiff, and it handles very well, and it is fun to drive.  It weighs....  alot by todays standards, especially for its size.  The 21 mpg on Premium fuel (on a bad day) doesn't bother me very much.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 22, 2014, 04:39:13 PM
Do they still make tires with studs for the winter?   I recall my parents having the winter set of tires back in the day...   

Our winters have been so mild lately we've gotten away from even thinking of winter tires around here it seems.


Check out what Nokian is playing with.

I'd like to buy a pair of these bad boys.

Nothing like studs when you are on ice - but to turn them "off" when you don't need them?  Awesome!

http://bgr.com/2014/02/20/winter-tires-studs-retractible-nokian/ (http://bgr.com/2014/02/20/winter-tires-studs-retractible-nokian/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 05:02:00 PM
Obama pushed the last round of fuel economy increases on us - not Gerald Ford.  They got rammed through in the first year of office during the Democrats were going to save us all from ourselves party.  He also gave a very short cycle to meet it.  I kind of wondered how we were going to pull it off.

So how was it achieved?  The usual way.  Thinner metal, lower rolling resistance tires, low rolling resistance bearings with low seal drag that will probably fail prematurely, and more and more insane combustion timing events with exotic catalysts.

A few years ago a big thing talked about was torsional rigidity.  Everyone wanted a nice, stiff body and chassis.  I don't read about that so much anymore.  Now it is about make it as thin as you can every where you can, and put just enough structure where you have to so you can pass certification tests and get your IIHS stars.

My car is now.....8 years old, and it was the last model year of a car that launched 11 or so years ago - so pretty ancient technology wise.  No bluetooth, No Navi, No save you if you take that corner too fast slip control, about half the airbags of a new model.  The more I see the new stuff the more I appreciate what I have.  It is very stiff, and it handles very well, and it is fun to drive.  It weighs....  alot by todays standards, especially for its size.  The 21 mpg on Premium fuel (on a bad day) doesn't bother me very much.

Got it...  make note to self...  the person 'most responsible for anything is the one who last 'tweaked' it...  not the bum that enacted it in the first place :o :o :o

But I guess 'you' have to go that route to continue to blame all the ills of the world via partisan politics.

So, let me guess...   just to get this straight then... 

it was a good thing under Ford,
but then was a bad thing under Carter,
but it got good again under Reagan and Bush 1,
but then it was bad again under Clinton...

reverted to good again under Bush 2 and is now finally bad again under Obama ??? ??? ???

Do I have you it right on all that :D :D :D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 05:07:51 PM
I use to have snow tires with studs.  They banned studs because they tore up the pavement.  Almost everyone i knew in the 50's 60's had snow tires in the garage they would put on for the winter.  Then somewhere along the way they came out with all weather tires.
Do they still make tires with studs for the winter?   I recall my parents having the winter set of tires back in the day...   

Our winters have been so mild lately we've gotten away from even thinking of winter tires around here it seems.


I worked at the GoodYear store in the summer of '67.  I had a pretty sweet deal in that 'anytime' I was home from college I could show up and punch in and work.  The first winter when I was home for Christmas I spent about 10 days 'shooting studs' with a stud gun.  Studs were already illegal in some states so the tire manufacturers had quit installing them at the factory and we had to install them 'locally'!

Studding Tires - GW Stud Gun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6Kp-1gtc0#)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 05:11:56 PM
I use to have snow tires with studs.  They banned studs because they tore up the pavement.  Almost everyone i knew in the 50's 60's had snow tires in the garage they would put on for the winter.  Then somewhere along the way they came out with all weather tires.

You could see 'trenches' in the concrete on US 10 and I 75 up where we lived then.  They did do some serious damage but they made a lot of difference on the stuff like we've had the last few nights.

They should have kept the studs for the last 45 years and just banned 'Kick the can Snyder'...

he's caused way more damage to Michigan roads and highways in 3 years than all the years of studs that were run 'legally' >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 22, 2014, 05:31:28 PM
GY Wrangler might work well on a Grand Cherokee but they are horrible for traction on snow/ice or even wet streets for full size pickups.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 22, 2014, 05:35:15 PM
Got it...  make note to self...  the person 'most responsible for anything is the one who last 'tweaked' it...  not the bum that enacted it in the first place :o :o :o

But I guess 'you' have to go that route to continue to blame all the ills of the world via partisan politics.

So, let me guess...   just to get this straight then... 

it was a good thing under Ford,
but then was a bad thing under Carter,
but it got good again under Reagan and Bush 1,
but then it was bad again under Clinton...

reverted to good again under Bush 2 and is now finally bad again under Obama ??? ??? ???

Do I have you it right on all that :D :D :D

I didn't say that.  You said that.  You are the one that made this into a Partisan thing - not me.  To me it is just a set of rules you work to - nothing more, nothing less.  The set of rules dictates a set of decisions that are going to necessitate a series of trade offs.

The fuel mileage is way up right now.  Family sedans are pushing 40.  That is pretty awesome if you ask me.  Spending less on fuel is probably a good proposition for most people who want to buy a car - and getting that kind of mileage without a hybrid or diesel, and with a decent amount of performance?  Even better.

However - I don't like some of the tradeoffs that came with it.  The tires - those are easy to replace when the first set wears out, and you can go get winter tires if you have the money.  The thin metal, flexible bodies?  Those you kind of have to live with.  The lean fuel maps and crazy catalysts?  Time will tell on those too.  The sensors and computer controls have come a long ways, so pushing the envelope is probably okay, but outside of my old paradigm - which is a set of points and a carb.

Supposedly they are safer now than ever.  We'll see how they do in real life when they get in wrecks when they are 10-15 years old and the bodies are getting fatigued and the airbags are nice and old.

You work to the regulations you are given.  I would have prefered a more gradual timeline that would have perhaps allowed for a few less tradeoffs to be made, but it is what it is.  I'm sure if you asked anyone if they would rather have more or less time they would usually say they wanted more to get something done.

Overall I think burning less fuel is a good thing though.

I think you read too much into my commentary BRD - but yes - I do think you have to give credit to where credit is due, and Obama was the last one to really jump the limits up, and he put out a big jump with a fairly aggressive deadline.  I have to say its been fun to watch it happen in the industry, and it has been pretty well achieved without playing the cafe games that I thought the companies would.  If we were still working with Gerald Fords we would still be shooting for single digits. 

I'm kind of impressed that the US built models seem to be getting better mileage than the European cars.  That is a trip.

With that said I'm fine with what I got.

 ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 05:50:53 PM
I didn't say that.  You said that.  You are the one that made this into a Partisan thing - not me.  To me it is just a set of rules you work to - nothing more, nothing less.  The set of rules dictates a set of decisions that are going to necessitate a series of trade offs.

The fuel mileage is way up right now.  Family sedans are pushing 40.  That is pretty awesome if you ask me.  Spending less on fuel is probably a good proposition for most people who want to buy a car - and getting that kind of mileage without a hybrid or diesel, and with a decent amount of performance?  Even better.

However - I don't like some of the tradeoffs that came with it.  The tires - those are easy to replace when the first set wears out, and you can go get winter tires if you have the money.  The thin metal, flexible bodies?  Those you kind of have to live with.  The lean fuel maps and crazy catalysts?  Time will tell on those too.  The sensors and computer controls have come a long ways, so pushing the envelope is probably okay, but outside of my old paradigm - which is a set of points and a carb.

Supposedly they are safer now than ever.  We'll see how they do in real life when they get in wrecks when they are 10-15 years old and the bodies are getting fatigued and the airbags are nice and old.

You work to the regulations you are given.  I would have prefered a more gradual timeline that would have perhaps allowed for a few less tradeoffs to be made, but it is what it is.  I'm sure if you asked anyone if they would rather have more or less time they would usually say they wanted more to get something done.

Overall I think burning less fuel is a good thing though.

I think you read too much into my commentary BRD - but yes - I do think you have to give credit to where credit is due, and Obama was the last one to really jump the limits up, and he put out a big jump with a fairly aggressive deadline.  I have to say its been fun to watch it happen in the industry, and it has been pretty well achieved without playing the cafe games that I thought the companies would.  If we were still working with Gerald Fords we would still be shooting for single digits. 

I'm kind of impressed that the US built models seem to be getting better mileage than the European cars.  That is a trip.

With that said I'm fine with what I got.

 ;D

But if Ford had never enacted it in the first place none of the car manufacturers would need as many engineers and they could all charge less for their vehicles!!!

You're getting to be a 'laugh a minute' blaming everything in the world on President Obama...

kind of reminds me when the dems were blaming it all Bush ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2014, 06:09:57 PM
Just some more interesting reading on general issues around the state and what many of the road commissions are up against...  too bad one of the biggest obstacles is our own Governor...   the most recent in a long chain of can kickers :( :( :(

http://www.annarbor.com/news/costs-for-repairs-will-go-up-if-michigan-lawmakers-dont-fix-the-roads-soon/ (http://www.annarbor.com/news/costs-for-repairs-will-go-up-if-michigan-lawmakers-dont-fix-the-roads-soon/)

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/04/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_faces.html (http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/04/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_faces.html)

http://www.freep.com/article/20130320/NEWS15/303200085/Governor-s-1-2-billion-road-funding-plan-left-out-of-House-panel-s-budget (http://www.freep.com/article/20130320/NEWS15/303200085/Governor-s-1-2-billion-road-funding-plan-left-out-of-House-panel-s-budget)

http://trans4m.org/2013/10/28/cost-of-kicking-the-transportation-funding-can-down-the-road-5-billion/ (http://trans4m.org/2013/10/28/cost-of-kicking-the-transportation-funding-can-down-the-road-5-billion/)

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140115/POLITICS02/301150024 (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140115/POLITICS02/301150024)

http://www.annarbor.com/Michigan%27sRoadsCrisis%285%29.pdf (http://www.annarbor.com/Michigan%27sRoadsCrisis%285%29.pdf)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 22, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
You could see 'trenches' in the concrete on US 10 and I 75 up where we lived then.  They did do some serious damage but they made a lot of difference on the stuff like we've had the last few nights.

They should have kept the studs for the last 45 years and just banned 'Kick the can Snyder'...

he's caused way more damage to Michigan roads and highways in 3 years than all the years of studs that were run 'legally' >:( >:( >:(

Agreed and it's precipitating as the state's roads are coming apart.  He don't care really, he's trucked around by a chauffer (in a State Police car......
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 24, 2014, 01:11:09 PM
I see the MCRC has some 'new' pothole patrol' equipment ;) ;) ;)

(http://www.gregspradlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/vibco-pothole-patrol.jpg)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 25, 2014, 06:25:55 AM
You're getting to be a 'laugh a minute' blaming everything in the world on President Obama...

So now you can't even say who passed something without getting accused of "blaming" or being "partisan?"

Seriously?

Give me a break!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 25, 2014, 09:36:02 AM
So now you can't even say who passed something without getting accused of "blaming" or being "partisan?"

Seriously?

Give me a break!

MN...  YOU have issues!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 25, 2014, 09:45:59 AM
Tis the season...

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1798499_701873013168855_1817395888_n.jpg)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 25, 2014, 09:48:42 AM
LMAO......love that guy!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 25, 2014, 09:59:59 AM
And...   I have some issues too and they're all with the way the Monroe County Road Commission has been operating (and not operating) over the past several years and 'where' they are now and what can be done to make them more responsible and responsive to the taxpayers of Monroe County!

I can sit on here all day and do the 'silly banter' thing but that isn't helping me get to where I need to regarding the MCRC.  I've got a few time consuming projects I need to work on so I'm going to be spending  less time here and more time 'working' on my project.

If someone has any 'factual' information they feel I might be interested in then I would appreciate you sharing it with me.  My email is in my signature.  If all you have is 'opinion' then please continue to post them here.  I'll check in at times and see how far we've progressed ;) ;) ;)

I was trying to recover from the 'slow rock' of crossing the tracks on Stewart Road a few days ago.

Looked up and saw the sign in front of the self storage on the north side of the road by Meijer!

Something to think about both here on MT and more importantly in life in general...

I don't recall exactly how they had it worded on the sign but it was along the line of these words attributed to Albert Einstein:

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Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 27, 2014, 07:17:15 PM
I just found this on the website in Florida where my mother in law lives.

I am not by any means suggesting the MCRC buy their own asphalt plan, but this article does discuss many pros and cons of what has been happening with it.

It's my understanding the MCRC is now out of the paving business so maybe the time to have bought their own plant was back then.

I'm generally opposed to the idea of any business cutting into a private business.

Just think if the City would have passed on getting into the ice arena business ;) ;) ;)

http://highlandstoday.com/hi/local-news/county-asphalt-plant-still-paving-long-road-20140227/ (http://highlandstoday.com/hi/local-news/county-asphalt-plant-still-paving-long-road-20140227/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: katy scarlett on March 04, 2014, 05:36:48 PM
Thought some may be interested to know that Samaria will be getting re-done this summer. The link doesn't mention them, but the original 13 abc newscast also mentioned Vivian, Tuttle Hill & Wabash roads as part of the same grant.  Stammer mentions they sent a list of 40+ projects (roads?) to the state, anyone know where (or if) I can find the full list?  I only ask, because while I'm glad those are (finally) being done, I can't help but wonder what others were or weren't on it that maybe should have been...

13 abc video clip:  http://www.13abc.com/video?clipId=9909480&autostart=true (http://www.13abc.com/video?clipId=9909480&autostart=true)

Monroe News article from Dec:  http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/dec/21/state-funds-pay-repair-county-road-151/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/dec/21/state-funds-pay-repair-county-road-151/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 04, 2014, 07:36:19 PM
Thought some may be interested to know that Samaria will be getting re-done this summer. The link doesn't mention them, but the original 13 abc newscast also mentioned Vivian, Tuttle Hill & Wabash roads as part of the same grant.  Stammer mentions they sent a list of 40+ projects (roads?) to the state, anyone know where (or if) I can find the full list?  I only ask, because while I'm glad those are (finally) being done, I can't help but wonder what others were or weren't on it that maybe should have been...

13 abc video clip:  [url]http://www.13abc.com/video?clipId=9909480&autostart=true[/url] ([url]http://www.13abc.com/video?clipId=9909480&autostart=true[/url])

Monroe News article from Dec:  [url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/dec/21/state-funds-pay-repair-county-road-151/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/dec/21/state-funds-pay-repair-county-road-151/[/url])


Well 'Hello Miss Katy'!!!   Haven't heard from you in a long, long time.  Glad to see you're around!

The only list of roads I saw were the ones you mentioned.  Yes, it would be interesting to see the rest of the roads on that list.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 04, 2014, 07:43:42 PM
This video ran on 13ABC Toledo yesterday.  It's funny what happened to the reporter but I'm posting it because of the sheer number of plow trucks they were using to plow this stretch of a state road near Philadelphia.  I can see where the first 2 would probably be doing a good job but it seems to me the other 2 are overkill.  sure looks like only a 2 lane road to me but maybe it was 4 lane somewhere before where the video was taken.  Note, these aren't just underbelly blades but those are pretty good sized front plows.

And, it's kind of funny too:

http://www.13abc.com/global/category.asp?c=210531&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9907612#.UxXH-Vqxjrs.facebook (http://www.13abc.com/global/category.asp?c=210531&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9907612#.UxXH-Vqxjrs.facebook)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: katy scarlett on March 04, 2014, 09:12:09 PM
Poor reporter  :-\  Honestly though, I'm kinda surprised that doesn't happen more often...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 04, 2014, 09:35:46 PM
This video ran on 13ABC Toledo yesterday.  It's funny what happened to the reporter but I'm posting it because of the sheer number of plow trucks they were using to plow this stretch of a state road near Philadelphia.  I can see where the first 2 would probably be doing a good job but it seems to me the other 2 are overkill.  sure looks like only a 2 lane road to me but maybe it was 4 lane somewhere before where the video was taken.  Note, these aren't just underbelly blades but those are pretty good sized front plows.

And, it's kind of funny too:

[url]http://www.13abc.com/global/category.asp?c=210531&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9907612#.UxXH-Vqxjrs.facebook[/url] ([url]http://www.13abc.com/global/category.asp?c=210531&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9907612#.UxXH-Vqxjrs.facebook[/url])


If I'm not mistaken, Philadelphia (Bucks County) don't use belly mounted plows....

The reason they are used here is they can grade dirt roads and berms as well as plow snow.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 05, 2014, 09:18:06 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Philadelphia (Bucks County) don't use belly mounted plows....

The reason they are used here is they can grade dirt roads and berms as well as plow snow.

Well for no more snow than they were pushing it seems to me a belly blade would be more than enough.  I'd think they'd have to be easier on the driver and the truck chassis than all that weight hanging off the front.  Obviously if they have a foot of snow they need those too.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 05, 2014, 08:48:38 PM
So long as the front axle, springs, tires and rims are rated for the plow and plow frame load, it don't matter.  Actually, a front mount is easier on the truck and driver because a front mount has rollover and shock absorbing springs, a belly mount is rigid.  Hit something with a belly mount and you break something.

A mid mount (belly) has to be rigid or you can't grade berms or country roads with it.  They 'float' but only on hydraulics, no casters or skid shoes.

When a front mount is on the pavement, riding on the skid shoes (or casters), there is no weight on the truck and the plow frame transmits the forward, pushing load directly to the truck frame.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 08, 2014, 08:26:26 AM
Article on the MonroeNews website about how hard the road commission is working to fill the potholes in the county:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/mar/08/road-commission-working-patch-potholes/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/mar/08/road-commission-working-patch-potholes/)

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Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on March 08, 2014, 08:44:15 AM
I guess they must be on the back roads - as I didn't see one yesterday on any route I traversed.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 08, 2014, 09:17:02 AM
I guess they must be on the back roads - as I didn't see one yesterday on any route I traversed.

It must be on the 'way back' roads and on the west side of the county because I covered most of the east side of the county this week...   the last truck I saw actually on the road was plowing snow on Telegraph last Sunday morning!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: katy scarlett on March 08, 2014, 10:30:35 AM
They've been out on Secor a few times over the past 2 weeks...Although every time I see them, they miss as many as they patch.  And no, I don't mean the new ones that pop up after they've been through, they seem to be randomly filling.  Seems like it'd be less work to do all the ones they see when they're out rather than going through the same stretch 3 or 4 times, but what do I know  :-\
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 08, 2014, 10:38:21 AM
The union...  'make work' mentaility at work.....

Was going into work early on Friday morning and I run down Secor to Rauch and Rauch over to Telegraph (the smoothest route, not the shortest btw).  Anyway. Secor, south of Ida Center in the early morning is deer crossing and I tend to travel below the speed limit so I have ample time for avoidance.  Some guy in a 350 Ford pickup passed me and smoked a deer about halfway between Ida Center and Rauch and screwed up his truck (and the deer).  You'd think people have more sense, I guess they don't.

Still a pile of deer guts on the southbound side in the middle of the road......

When I passed him and his injured pickup, I smiled and thought to myself, what an idiot.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 08, 2014, 12:49:29 PM
Someone filled some potholes on Plank - so unless God miracled them full of Patch I guess the MCRC spent a little time there.

They missed a bunch though.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 08, 2014, 04:47:01 PM
You and I and every sane citizen in this county know that the best thing for Plank (and a whole passel of other 'roads' (I use that term loosely, very loosely) would be to mill them completely and redeposit the millings (hot and roll them into a smooth road bed).  Quick, efficient and recyclable.

When lenawee did Bucholtz, we got some millings for free and they make the best road surface next to virgin asphalt.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 08, 2014, 04:48:01 PM
Article on the MonroeNews website about how hard the road commission is working to fill the potholes in the county:

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/mar/08/road-commission-working-patch-potholes/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/mar/08/road-commission-working-patch-potholes/[/url])

([url]http://monroenews.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2014/03/07/monroe-6eaz3kdduw7u201lma_original_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3fa67d9af9d[/url])


Looks like cold rabbit turds to me and will last about as long I might add.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on March 08, 2014, 04:58:01 PM
A number of potholes have been filled in Bedford.  And they seem to have done a good job.  They didn't make matters worse by just throwing a few shovels full in.  It appears they actually tamped it down and leveled if off where there were some pretty big holes.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 08, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
...If they tamped it, they used hot mix.  The dynamics of cold patch is you shovel it in proud of the hole and allow passing traffic to spread and smooth it.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 09, 2014, 11:23:10 AM
A number of potholes have been filled in Bedford.  And they seem to have done a good job.  They didn't make matters worse by just throwing a few shovels full in.  It appears they actually tamped it down and leveled if off where there were some pretty big holes.

Well they haven't done a thing on our road yet.  The potholes just get bigger around and deeper...

I kind of wish Snyder would come down here and kick some of his cans into the potholes...  at least they wouldn't be bottomless anymore!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 09, 2014, 07:30:29 PM
BRD....  Look on the plus side...

If the get big enough and deep enough, they go from potholes to whoop-de-doos...... :P
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 10, 2014, 08:52:19 AM
BRD....  Look on the plus side...

If the get big enough and deep enough, they go from potholes to whoop-de-doos...... :P


We had a tactical driving course in the Army for the drivers to learn to drive under battlefield conditions.  Some of the roads are starting to approach the conditions of that course right now and I don't see any immediate answer anywhere in site.

Just think, if Snyder would have kept this ONE campaign promise during his first week in office we'd already have the worst behind us and this winter would have been a much smaller 'bump in the road' (so to speak ;D ;D ;D ), but instead we can at least all take a nice bumpy ride up I-75 to take a ride across the Snyder Memorial Bridge to Canada and help fill the Canadian Governments coffers so they can fix their few potholes >:( >:( >:(   www.snyderholes.com (http://www.snyderholes.com)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 10, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
The union...  'make work' mentaility at work.....

Was going into work early on Friday morning and I run down Secor to Rauch and Rauch over to Telegraph (the smoothest route, not the shortest btw).  Anyway. Secor, south of Ida Center in the early morning is deer crossing and I tend to travel below the speed limit so I have ample time for avoidance.  Some guy in a 350 Ford pickup passed me and smoked a deer about halfway between Ida Center and Rauch and screwed up his truck (and the deer).  You'd think people have more sense, I guess they don't.

Still a pile of deer guts on the southbound side in the middle of the road......

When I passed him and his injured pickup, I smiled and thought to myself, what an idiot.

I don't wish too much bad on anyone but sounds like he maybe had that one coming :o :o :o

We were down by your work 20 this afternoon to the AutoZone store next to Menards!  When we came back there was a huge (3 axle) bright yellow wrecker turning onto Alexis...  had some Polish name on it from Dorr street.  Pretty nice looking piece of machinery.  I figure he must have dropped off a big rig somewhere down by you :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 10, 2014, 11:21:34 PM
I don't wish too much bad on anyone but sounds like he maybe had that one coming :o :o :o

We were down by your work 20 this afternoon to the AutoZone store next to Menards!  When we came back there was a huge (3 axle) bright yellow wrecker turning onto Alexis...  had some Polish name on it from Dorr street.  Pretty nice looking piece of machinery.  I figure he must have dropped off a big rig somewhere down by you :o :o :o

.....next time you visit that Auto-Zone, tell 'em you work at Freightliner of Toledo and you get a 20% off discount (we buy a lot of stuff there)...See Randy, he's the manager.....

We've been getting lots of trucks on the hook lately.  The back lot is full and the shop is booked out at least a week....

Hammers does all the fleet towing under contract btw...and stay off Benore, it sucks big time west of the tracks to Detroit Avenue (125).  You can't avoid the holes, they are everywhere.

I was there, had to go to Indiana and get a truck......
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on March 11, 2014, 08:46:36 AM
We have 6 to 10 inches of global warming coming tonight and tomorrow.

I'm SURE the road commission is ready.  8*
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on March 11, 2014, 09:30:29 AM
6 inches of snow in the Morning????? Yikes!

Well, short of staying in all day tomorrow and listening to The Grateful Dead, why not play "Name that Picture".

The picture below shows:

A)   A Road Commission Truck snow-covered having never moved due to budgetary constraints.
B)   A snow covered vehicle stranded on a rural road in or near Dundee Township waiting for a plow.
C)   A vehicle waiting for a tow truck after snapping an axle while traveling on Monroe Street  Southbound in the outside lane.

Good luck, and keep those snow throwers at the ready!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 11, 2014, 10:39:53 AM
I thought 1-2 in the AM.....  and 6-10 by the end of the day.

I heard done by 4 PM Wednesday.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 11, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
Rush Hour in Toledo and Detroit will be bumper cars.....

It's a one day, possibly a two day event, supposed to be 48 on Friday......

The problem is, 12" of snow is another one inch of precip.  Gonna be lots more flooding.

I'll be home tomorrow and the next day too.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 11, 2014, 09:28:16 PM
I am thinking about sitting out Wednesday myself.

Did the MCRC declare a level 3 for me yet?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on March 11, 2014, 10:00:38 PM
Still checking the Stammer-Meter..............nope, no Level declared yet.

(Think of the late Vincent Price reading the following in the style of Thriller...)
Snow falls hard across the land, the Stammer Hour is close at hand,
Tires spin in search of plows, with those stranded asking why and how,
The Blue-Truck tires go round and round, In search of those who shall be found,
With the budget shot, we ask of thee,
Why a Level One, Two, or Three...


Sorry, got carried away.....can we change the song from 'Thriller' to 'Stammer'???
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 11, 2014, 10:09:39 PM
Still checking the Stammer-Meter..............nope, no Level declared yet.

(Think of the late Vincent Price reading the following in the style of Thriller...)
Snow falls hard across the land, the Stammer Hour is close at hand,
Tires spin in search of plows, with those stranded asking why and how,
The Blue-Truck tires go round and round, In search of those who shall be found,
With the budget shot, we ask of thee,
Why a Level One, Two, or Three...


Sorry, got carried away.....can we change the song from 'Thriller' to 'Stammer'???


Were you Dr Seuss in a Previous Life?

 ;D

(http://www.teachthought.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/dr-seuss-advice.jpg)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 11, 2014, 10:42:16 PM
Well, I see MCRC is back to contracting the pothole killer/filler outfit that did M151 and it lasted maybe a year.....


Gimme a break people..... :P

Hard to fix shot.............
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on March 12, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
It's Level 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 12, 2014, 09:40:38 AM
This will be one of those storm days where, if you made it to work, you might not make it home because of the blowing/drifting snow.....

It's frightful here....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 12, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
This will be one of those storm days where, if you made it to work, you might not make it home because of the blowing/drifting snow.....

It's frightful here....

Nonsense.

Complete and utter nonsense.

I won't hear such crazy talk as that.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 12, 2014, 07:39:07 PM
There are a couple stuck on our road right now.  You'd think that by now (with all the weather we have had and snow), they'd know better, but obviously they are democrats and to that end. I'm staying inside and leaving them to their devices, whatever they may be.

It's warm in here, I don't believe they are....  too bad.

BTW, have you made it home and if you have, hopefully the trip was uneventful.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 12, 2014, 07:56:36 PM
There are a couple stuck on our road right now.  You'd think that by now (with all the weather we have had and snow), they'd know better, but obviously they are democrats and to that end. I'm staying inside and leaving them to their devices, whatever they may be.

It's warm in here, I don't believe they are....  too bad.

BTW, have you made it home and if you have, hopefully the trip was uneventful.

The roads were fantastic. 

The only ones with snow on them were taken care of by the MCRC - Telegraph where it was drifting - and I won't complain about that.  My road is snow - but hey - no big deal, it is nice and packed down.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on March 13, 2014, 08:34:38 AM
Evidently someone from the road commission is reading this forum, trying to learn some things. I saw sand was spread near intersections yesterday.

Now, normally I would say "Great!"

But they need to learn that you have to plow BEFORE you spread the sand.

Yes, I saw sand spread over snow that was over six inches deep.  8*

Hey!  Maybe they can plow BEFORE the next storm!  Wouldn't that save a bunch of time?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 13, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Evidently someone from the road commission is reading this forum, trying to learn some things. I saw sand was spread near intersections yesterday.

Now, normally I would say "Great!"

But they need to learn that you have to plow BEFORE you spread the sand.

Yes, I saw sand spread over snow that was over six inches deep.  8*

Hey!  Maybe they can plow BEFORE the next storm!  Wouldn't that save a bunch of time?

My guess is they don't plan on plowing but they hope the snow will melt down and the sand will somehow magically float on top so that when the snow becomes ice the sand will still be on top :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 13, 2014, 10:16:30 AM
The roads were fantastic. 

The only ones with snow on them were taken care of by the MCRC - Telegraph where it was drifting - and I won't complain about that.  My road is snow - but hey - no big deal, it is nice and packed down.

I went north on 75 about 9ish and it was 2 lanes somewhat clear but no salt down (or at least it didn't seem like it).  Came back about dark and all 3 lanes were clear and traffic was 'flying'!!!  Then about 9 last night Erie and LaSalle FDs had 3 calls within 5 minutes...  all for vehicles slid off the freeway.  I'm thinking that's about when the roadbed went from 'damp' to ice!  Temp was about 13 and the salt they might have put on or was residual may have quit working. 

The scanner was going all night long but I didn't pay much attention to it.  At first I thought I had turned Toledo on by mistake it was chattering so much.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on March 13, 2014, 10:16:44 AM
My guess is they don't plan on plowing but they hope the snow will melt down and the sand will somehow magically float on top so that when the snow becomes ice the sand will still be on top :o :o :o

LMFAO!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Now THAT was funny!!!

But you may be right - they may actually think something like that!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on March 13, 2014, 11:50:12 AM
I sure hope I75 and US23 are drivable.  Every road in Bedford is a sheet of ice and snow.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 13, 2014, 12:07:22 PM
I sure hope I75 and US23 are drivable.  Every road in Bedford is a sheet of ice and snow.

That is when the sand helps...

especially if drivers all leave a few minutes sooner and drive a little slower :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: katy scarlett on March 13, 2014, 12:18:56 PM
I sure hope I75 and US23 are drivable.  Every road in Bedford is a sheet of ice and snow.

Yup, was going to go run some random errands, but made it 3 miles and changed my mind. Snow I can deal with, but I hate ice, and that's all the road seemed to be.   >:(    Nothing I was going out for was urgent, so why risk it...

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: rwwjr on March 13, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
Daughter had am surgery in Toledo yesterday at 7  Came home about 1 or so.  Telegraph in T-Town was salted but so much snow making mush almost un-driveable  Crossed state line, unsalted but plowed Much better condition  Intersections salted so not bad  A  lot of drifting but still not bad to drive, even with diminished visibility  Speed about 40 in most places  Only bad in wide open spots with wind whipping  Good job MCRC
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 13, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
It was a skating rink this morning.

Awesome good fun!

 ;D

Thanks MCRC, WCRC!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 13, 2014, 03:53:02 PM
Interestingly, they plowed our road in the wee hours of the morning, about 3AM
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 13, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
Interestingly, they plowed our road in the wee hours of the morning, about 3AM

I think Stammerer is on to you....  he wants some positive comments on here.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 13, 2014, 04:21:10 PM
Plow truck woke me up and I looked at the clock...

I figured maybe they preferred plowing with no idiots on the roads.....

Wonder if Stammer was driving?

Wonder if Stammer has a Class B anyway.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on March 13, 2014, 06:37:29 PM
There isn't anything to plow 30 hours after vehicles have driven on 8" of snow and packed it down.  Driving down Douglas this afternoon it was a sheet of ice and packed snow.  I hit the toledo line and the pavement just wasn't cleared it was bone dry already.
I guess Toledo stopped calling the MCRC to see how they were keeping up with the storm.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on March 13, 2014, 06:38:02 PM
Did anyone drive N. Custer or M-50 this morning by chance?  In my 48.9875 years I have never seen so much ice.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 13, 2014, 07:48:14 PM
I've purposely stayed home, nice being retired or at least settting my own hours.  I have to go in tomorrow and move some machinery up to Monroe but I'm assuming the roads will be more inviting tomorrow with the rising temperature and all the wrercks cleared away...... :D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on March 14, 2014, 08:43:05 AM
It's supposed to hit 47 degrees today, so any roads the MCRC missed will turn to slush. 
They actually did plow my road the night after the storm, but there are many roads that are sheer ice.  I have to say, though, they are improving.  Before, I was lucky to have my road plowed AT ALL.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on March 14, 2014, 10:34:06 AM
The Pothole buster is coming back to Monroe county.  MCRC member Pace says they have to be careful how they use it.  I don't know the man.  Is he capable of making that assessment?  Is he a structural or civil engineer or just someone blowing smoke?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: lilly on March 14, 2014, 12:01:25 PM
MDOT has actually come out and gives tips on how to hit potholes.

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/03/traffic_talk_special_edition_h.html (http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/03/traffic_talk_special_edition_h.html)

http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,4616,7-151-9615_30883-323487--,00.html (http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,4616,7-151-9615_30883-323487--,00.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on March 14, 2014, 04:17:32 PM
The Pothole buster is coming back to Monroe county.  MCRC member Pace says they have to be careful how they use it.  I don't know the man.  Is he capable of making that assessment?  Is he a structural or civil engineer or just someone blowing smoke?
He used to work in the road construction business, and has some experience - now whether he's got any degree's I doubt it.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 14, 2014, 04:24:27 PM
He used to work in the road construction business, and has some experience - now whether he's got any degree's I doubt it.

Was he the guy smoking the cigarette and holding the shovel and watching the other guy work?

 ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:26:50 PM
Rush Hour in Toledo and Detroit will be bumper cars.....

It's a one day, possibly a two day event, supposed to be 48 on Friday......

The problem is, 12" of snow is another one inch of precip.  Gonna be lots more flooding.

I'll be home tomorrow and the next day too.

I actually saw a 52 today :P :P :P
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:30:14 PM
Was he the guy smoking the cigarette and holding the shovel and watching the other guy work?

 ;D


Not sure about that but here he is with a few of the other bigshots down there :o :o :o

(http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/mike%20hamer/20077201224_IMG_2005.JPG)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:32:17 PM
MDOT has actually come out and gives tips on how to hit potholes.

[url]http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/03/traffic_talk_special_edition_h.html[/url] ([url]http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/03/traffic_talk_special_edition_h.html[/url])

[url]http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,4616,7-151-9615_30883-323487--,00.html[/url] ([url]http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,4616,7-151-9615_30883-323487--,00.html[/url])


They've probably figured out 'kick the can Snyder' isn't planning on actually following through with his 'campaign promise' on long term road funding >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:34:04 PM
Maybe it's time to put some women in charge down there:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5044/5328032054_67f8d0c87a_o.jpg)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:37:29 PM
He used to work in the road construction business, and has some experience - now whether he's got any degree's I doubt it.

There's good experience and bad experience...

any idea which he had ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 14, 2014, 07:37:48 PM
....or members of this trade:

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Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:44:03 PM
Someone filled some potholes on Plank - so unless God miracled them full of Patch I guess the MCRC spent a little time there.

They missed a bunch though.....

They didn't miss them...

those are just the new ones that popped up since they filled them ;D ;D ;D

While you're up in A2 why don't you stop by your buddy Snyder's place and tell him how great our roads are over 4 years after his campaign promise...

and how much you enjoyed his comments about the previous administrations 'just kicked the can down the road' :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:45:05 PM
....or members of this trade:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTE6v5t0ZVoDTUIVvsLAO3nZyQoIJ7Cg0hRfcUjg-YTA8AtoA1A0g)

There you go...   at least we'd have something to look at while we were waiting to get around the patch truck ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
Plow truck woke me up and I looked at the clock...

I figured maybe they preferred plowing with no idiots on the roads.....

Wonder if Stammer was driving?

Wonder if Stammer has a Class B anyway.

Do any of their truck drivers have to have any level of endorsement? 

Government exemption maybe 8* 8* 8*
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 14, 2014, 07:54:46 PM
They must have been in full 'patch' mode today!

Just after lunch I saw what looked like maybe a 1.5 ton 'pickup' with a small dump bed on it and only one guy patching on Telegraph just south of the MCRC office...  I wondered if maybe that was the 'emergency response' patch unit :o :o :o

It looked a little dangerous though...   the guy did have on his reflective lime green vest but all the truck had on it for lights were the 4 way flashers and with the bed tilted up in the air they were pretty well hidden...   well, they looked like they had quite a bit of asphalt stuck to them too 8* 8* 8*

Whatever, it was a lot harder to see (especially on Krazy Telegraph) than the bigger trucks with all the flashers going on top and back and a couple of green vests moving around!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 16, 2014, 01:41:51 PM
The cartoonist at the Free Press got it right...

I see that RR didn't even make the 'photo op' this time...

must have been out getting his hair done 8* 8* 8*


(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20140314&Category=BLOG24&ArtNo=140313011&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Mike-Thompson-pothole-problem-won-t-going-away-any-time-soon-)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 16, 2014, 07:19:43 PM
Do any of their truck drivers have to have any level of endorsement? 

Government exemption maybe 8* 8* 8*

They have to hold a Class B with air brake endorsement.  Just because it's a gummit entity don't exempt them.  The exception is drivers in the military.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 16, 2014, 07:23:40 PM
They must have been in full 'patch' mode today!

Just after lunch I saw what looked like maybe a 1.5 ton 'pickup' with a small dump bed on it and only one guy patching on Telegraph just south of the MCRC office...  I wondered if maybe that was the 'emergency response' patch unit :o :o :o

It looked a little dangerous though...   the guy did have on his reflective lime green vest but all the truck had on it for lights were the 4 way flashers and with the bed tilted up in the air they were pretty well hidden...   well, they looked like they had quite a bit of asphalt stuck to them too 8* 8* 8*

Whatever, it was a lot harder to see (especially on Krazy Telegraph) than the bigger trucks with all the flashers going on top and back and a couple of green vests moving around!!!

Everytime I see the 'green vests', they are huddled in a group, smoking cigaretts doing nothing.  A friend on the Lenawee County Road Commish told me they are working (in Lenawee) on a way to make the shovels work by themselves so the workers can supervise the shovels......

Sounds like a plan.

Like the cartoon btw.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 16, 2014, 08:44:29 PM
Everytime I see the 'green vests', they are huddled in a group, smoking cigaretts doing nothing.  A friend on the Lenawee County Road Commish told me they are working (in Lenawee) on a way to make the shovels work by themselves so the workers can supervise the shovels......

Sounds like a plan.

Like the cartoon btw.


Please feel free to copy the URL of the cartoon and email it to your favorite legislator or even the can kicker in chief!!!

Here's the URL if anyone wants to make their opinion known:

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20140314&Category=BLOG24&ArtNo=140313011&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Mike-Thompson-pothole-problem-won-t-going-away-any-time-soon- (http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20140314&Category=BLOG24&ArtNo=140313011&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Mike-Thompson-pothole-problem-won-t-going-away-any-time-soon-)

How to get the email for your Michigan Representative:  http://www.house.mi.gov/mhrpublic/ (http://www.house.mi.gov/mhrpublic/)

How to get the email for your Michigan Senator (or just ask the fuzz...  he probably has RR's email in his BlackBerry already:  http://www.senate.michigan.gov/fysbyaddress.html (http://www.senate.michigan.gov/fysbyaddress.html)

And it's really easy for the can kicking Governor:

https://somgovweb.state.mi.us/GovRelations/ShareOpinion.aspx (https://somgovweb.state.mi.us/GovRelations/ShareOpinion.aspx)

I'll send mine but I won't hold my breath for a reply (other than an automatic "thank you for your thoughts...  I'll keep your opinion in mind when this topic comes up for discussion"...  I already have an inbox full of those!!!) because tomorrow is Monday and I'm pretty sure that is his 'can kicking day'...

actually as bad as the roads are getting he may have to add a 2nd day every week just to kick that can...  I'm sure it's going to get lost in a lot of potholes :( :( :(
Title: Since the MCRC can't possibly fill the potholes maybe they can try this!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 16, 2014, 08:54:30 PM
At the rate the potholes are exploding around the whole county it will take 5 years to fix the existing ones and that's only if no new ones 'explode' before that.

I have no idea what it costs to fill a pothole but I'll bet it would cost less if the MCRC would get a bunch of 'Pothole Alert' signs printed...  you know those like campaign signs that are on stiff wire.  I'm sure in the numbers they'd need they could get them for $2 apiece.  They  need to be highly reflective so they show up in the dark.  They could hand them out at all the garages and leave some at every township office and citizens could pick up a few and 'alert the world' to their favorite pothole.  Then, whenever the MCRC got around to patching the potholes they could pick up the sign and recycle it for next year ;) ;) ;)

This isn't exactly what I had in mind but if it's reflective I guess it would work!

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/99276.jpg)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: T-M-T on March 16, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
BRD, I'm no huge defender of Snyder, but your criticism of him for the roads is severely misguided.  He's tried hard to make fixing the roads a priority, but he can't get the Repubs in the legislature to do anything.

There's nothing he can do if he can't get the legislature to pass anything to address the problem.

Here's one good article:

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/rick_snyder_roads_tax_increase.html (http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/rick_snyder_roads_tax_increase.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 16, 2014, 09:21:28 PM
BRD, I'm no huge defender of Snyder, but your criticism of him for the roads is severely misguided.  He's tried hard to make fixing the roads a priority, but he can't get the Repubs in the legislature to do anything.

There's nothing he can do if he can't get the legislature to pass anything to address the problem.

Here's one good article:

[url]http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/rick_snyder_roads_tax_increase.html[/url] ([url]http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/rick_snyder_roads_tax_increase.html[/url])


Well I'm afraid that if he can't get his own party to pass the legislation then it speaks (loudly) of his poor leadership! 

He can give 110% on effort trying (sorry, but he's been too busy negotiating a bridge we don't need to be involved in) but if he gets ZERO results (which is exactly what we've gotten in 'long term' funding) then he's still failing on his much ballyhooed (ha, ha, all my predecessors have done is kick the can...  elect me if you want to see RESULTS).

Tell me T...

what do you do with your staff people when they promise you they will get a job done and then they fail (for whatever reason)  ??? ??? ???

Remember... this hasn't been 6 months or a year... it's been 3 long (and bumpy and getting worse) years!

I see lots of criticism of the 'guy at the top' and the REAL leaders always stand up and say "the buck stops here"!

In this case the honorable governor is the guy at the top.

Very honestly, what ticks me off as much as the failure he's been is the way he pushed the issue when he was first campaigning...

The big smile and the "my predecessors all kicked the can on the road funding"...

"elect me and I'll get a long term funding program in order and we'll fix the roads"!!!

He was actually arrogant or cocky about it...

and if you're going to be cocky toward me then you damned well better get results.

Hey, he's a nice guy...  he smiles a lot...  he tells people what they want to hear...  he knows how to dance around a lot of issues...   you'd almost think he's a polished politician rather than a nerd... 

but he HAS NOT gotten the results he promised the citizens of Michigan!!!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: lilly on March 17, 2014, 12:44:34 PM
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Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on March 17, 2014, 06:35:16 PM
They have to hold a Class B with air brake endorsement.  Just because it's a gummit entity don't exempt them.  The exception is drivers in the military.
And Firefighters...

It is refreshing to drive on roads that are smooth, have reflective markers, and lane deliniations clearly marked...    someone must have had a "plan" as to all this that got lost on the way north  :(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 18, 2014, 06:31:21 AM
And Firefighters...

It is refreshing to drive on roads that are smooth, have reflective markers, and lane deliniations clearly marked...    someone must have had a "plan" as to all this that got lost on the way north  :(

At one time there was talk or maybe even a legislative proposal for Firefighters to have some kind of an 'emergency vehicle' endorsement on our driver's license. 

I remember an old, old tanker we had...  no baffles in the tank.  Wasn't too bad driving it with the tank full or completely empty...   but don't even try driving it with a half or 3/4 of a tank of water.  That truck would do some strange things ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 18, 2014, 06:56:43 AM
Thanks to whoever filled the crater out on 275.

I forgot to dodge it this morning - but no problem - it was nicely patched.

Thanks!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 18, 2014, 07:33:07 AM
Thanks to whoever filled the crater out on 275.

I forgot to dodge it this morning - but no problem - it was nicely patched.

Thanks!

They must be in the same 'priority list' as when they plow snow...

patch the state roads first and if there's any cold patch left in the truck then throw out a few shovel fulls on the back roads.

I'm seeing more and more of those long skinny (and deep) 'potholes' right between the lanes on 75...  not bad unless you happen to be changing lanes...  some of them are looking like they're up to 40' long.  A motorcycle or a car with skinny tires is going to run into some major 'wedgie' issues...   that may not be the worst thing though...  once they're wedged in they're probably going to get run over by one or more of those semis that aren't speeding along the freeway :( :( :(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 18, 2014, 08:08:33 AM
And Firefighters...

It is refreshing to drive on roads that are smooth, have reflective markers, and lane deliniations clearly marked...    someone must have had a "plan" as to all this that got lost on the way north :(

Florida probably has the 'perfect' conditions for minimal maintenance road building in the whole country professor.

The biggest issue we (at least in Monroe County) face in Michigan is the lack of sand for draining the foundation of our roads.  Not Florida...  sand, sand and more sand...  as far as you can see.  Although they occasionally get a frost or even a light snow in very northern Florida they just don't have to put up with the freeze thaw cycles that are making our roads 'explode' right now. 

I've often wondered if they have any unique road maintenance issues due to all the heat in the hottest part of the summer.  I don't recall a lot of concrete highways...  most asphalt so maybe it doesn't buckle.

My mother in law lives within sight of US 27 and it seems like they're always repaving one stretch or another of it. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: lilly on March 20, 2014, 03:11:56 AM
Subject: Fix the Roads

Hi,

Michigan's roads are in dire need of repair. Potholes are causing damage to our cars while lawmakers twiddle their thumbs. This is unacceptable. Sign our petition demanding our lawmakers fix Michigan's roads immediately!

That's why I signed a petition to The Michigan State Senate and Governor Rick Snyder, which says:

"Terrible roads are costing Michiganders millions of dollars. Tell Michigan lawmakers to fix the roads immediately!"

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/fix-the-roads?source=s.em.cp&r_by=10038676 (http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/fix-the-roads?source=s.em.cp&r_by=10038676)

Thanks!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 20, 2014, 07:08:12 AM
Subject: Fix the Roads

Hi,

Michigan's roads are in dire need of repair. Potholes are causing damage to our cars while lawmakers twiddle their thumbs. This is unacceptable. Sign our petition demanding our lawmakers fix Michigan's roads immediately!

That's why I signed a petition to The Michigan State Senate and Governor Rick Snyder, which says:

"Terrible roads are costing Michiganders millions of dollars. Tell Michigan lawmakers to fix the roads immediately!"

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

[url]http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/fix-the-roads?source=s.em.cp&r_by=10038676[/url] ([url]http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/fix-the-roads?source=s.em.cp&r_by=10038676[/url])

Thanks!


I guess this can't hurt...

but I'm in favor of going to Lansing and herding the entire state legislature onto some school buses and driving them down US 23 to M-151...   start driving them back and forth across M-151 at progressively higher speeds until they vote 'on the spot' to fund something 'long term' to get all the roads in the state on the 'right road' (pun intended btw) to being repaired and then maintained thereafter :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 20, 2014, 07:20:45 AM
Why not just hound Randy, Dale, and Bill to death?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 20, 2014, 07:22:48 AM
I can place check marks as complete for Randy and Dale........I think most know my opinion of their weaknesses.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 20, 2014, 07:25:26 AM
I can place check marks as complete for Randy and Dale........I think most know my opinion of their weaknesses.

You got your two guys.....

I'll catch Bill since he is on my side of the River!

I still include Dale as my "Honorary" Rep since I got to vote for him the first time around....

;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: katy scarlett on March 20, 2014, 08:57:56 AM
I'll help!! Although I think that on the way from Lansing we should take a detour to some of the county's other  roads.  Give em a big picture before they see the war zone that is 151.

I guess this can't hurt...

but I'm in favor of going to Lansing and herding the entire state legislature onto some school buses and driving them down US 23 to M-151...   start driving them back and forth across M-151 at progressively higher speeds until they vote 'on the spot' to fund something 'long term' to get all the roads in the state on the 'right road' (pun intended btw) to being repaired and then maintained thereafter :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 20, 2014, 10:24:57 AM
Somehow, I don't think Monroe County is unique with having shitte roads......

I do think ours are a bit worse than average because the road commish is worse than average (state wise), but everyone is in the same canoe so to speak...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: lilly on March 20, 2014, 02:05:15 PM
Somehow, I don't think Monroe County is unique with having shitte roads......

I do think ours are a bit worse than average because the road commish is worse than average (state wise), but everyone is in the same canoe so to speak...
Living in Jackson I can say that the roads here are pretty bad, in some cases downright terrible, but are a far FAR sight better than Monroe's roads.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 20, 2014, 03:06:36 PM
Somehow, I don't think Monroe County is unique with having shitte roads......

I do think ours are a bit worse than average because the road commish is worse than average (state wise), but everyone is in the same canoe so to speak...

I think Monroe County has special issues being in a swamp....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 20, 2014, 07:21:15 PM
I think Monroe County has special issues being in a swamp....

I'm sure we're not the only county in the state with the 'swamp' issue but I'll bet we have the highest percentage of 'swampland'...

that's one of the problems with building a road or a bridge to 'state specs'...   we don't have the same conditions or environment as other counties do.

Our roads need drainage...  especially this time of year.  They need to have a sand base and in areas of the county that have a sand base the roads are in visibly better condition.  You can drive down a stretch of road that's several years old and tell where there is a sand base and where there is a clay or 'swamp' base...  not drainage equals potholes :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 20, 2014, 07:35:05 PM
Exactly.

The building specs should be driven by the soil conditions and drainage that you have to deal with...  not a one size fits all specification. 

That is also going to drive maintenance and replacement factors.

Monroe isn't the only county with the issue, but I bet we have the highest percentage. 

Our county used to be the bottom of Lake Erie....  That is not ideal for building roads.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on March 23, 2014, 03:54:26 PM

Our roads need drainage...  especially this time of year.  They need to have a sand base and in areas of the county that have a sand base the roads are in visibly better condition.  You can drive down a stretch of road that's several years old and tell where there is a sand base and where there is a clay or 'swamp' base...  no drainage equals potholes :o :o :o
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There is more to it than just having sand or not. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe southern Monroe County has plenty of sand in the soil base. There is Musson Sand quarry in Petersburg among others.

My yard is mostly sandy. But... and it's a big "but"... the water table in the spring is so high in this area, that I have water standing in my yard every spring. There is a pond in the field behind my yard that correlates with my yard. When I have standing water, the pond is about the same level... at the top. Late spring, my yard dries out, and by end of summer, the pond will be 10 feet lower and my yard will be dust dry. Every year.

Rauch Road was a terrible road and I'll bet it was built on a sandy base.
Early spring water table levels mean these roads are swimming in wet soil. There is no place to drain.



 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on March 23, 2014, 04:19:59 PM
Probably the origin behind people wanting Big Trucks to drive around - when they don't really use them for any purpose other than driving around town...

(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/payn_c11717520140321120100.jpg)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 23, 2014, 05:23:01 PM


There is more to it than just having sand or not. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe southern Monroe County has plenty of sand in the soil base. There is Musson Sand quarry in Petersburg among others.

My yard is mostly sandy. But... and it's a big "but"... the water table in the spring is so high in this area, that I have water standing in my yard every spring. There is a pond in the field behind my yard that correlates with my yard. When I have standing water, the pond is about the same level... at the top. Late spring, my yard dries out, and by end of summer, the pond will be 10 feet lower and my yard will be dust dry. Every year.

Rauch Road was a terrible road and I'll bet it was built on a sandy base.
Early spring water table levels mean these roads are swimming in wet soil. There is no place to drain.



 

Musson's sand pit is no longer in operation, actually, I fish there and hunt there with permission (it's on private property, not accessable to the public).

One of the major causes of roads floating in water (like Rauch among others, many others) is, like you state, the drainage.  What has occured over the years is farmers use the ditch side as their dead furrow (plow to the roadside and it fills in the ditches and our wonderful, dedicated MCRC never cleans the roadside ditches of spoil so the water has no place to go...except under the roadbed.

Back in the day, farmers were levied the costs of roadside ditch cleaning if they used the ditch for the spoil side.  That ended years ago and without cleaning the ditches, fixing the road is a temporary fix at best.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 23, 2014, 05:38:09 PM
Whose job is it to clean the ditches?

MCRC, Property Owner, or Drain Commissioner?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 23, 2014, 05:54:51 PM
Whose job is it to clean the ditches?

MCRC, Property Owner, or Drain Commissioner?

Only the MCRC.  The Drain Comission contracts to clean the county drains (that flow into the lake or the Raisin.  Property owners are assessed by the drain commision for the cleaning (usually every 15 to 20 years)....

The MCRC used to have a Gradall with a ditch bucket just for that (ditch cleaning) but I have not seen ir for years....  Probably in some retired Road Comission Employee's yard...lol

Just another lax aspect of the MCRC.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 23, 2014, 06:11:41 PM
Poor Ditch Maintenance leads to poor drainage leads to base deteriorations leads to........

Its just a slippery slope, isn't it?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on March 23, 2014, 06:24:56 PM


I guess the point I was trying to make is that with the natural water table rising to the soil surface, there can't be " drainage ".  The water just sits there regardless of the soil composition or the condition of the ditches.

That doesn't mean we don't need good ditch maintenance for other times of the year.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 23, 2014, 06:38:31 PM
Understand - but you should control what you can control?

Soil Mechanics, the Weather, etc is beyond their control.  Of course there will be a period of the year the ground is frozen and saturated - hence the load limits to help limit the damage.

How they mitigate that to the best of their abilities - that is the key.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on March 23, 2014, 06:51:38 PM
Most ditches I see are full of weeds and trees..  Up until last ten years they were cleared.  Doesn't make sense to let trees grow for years then get up into power lines and we have to pay big bucks then to cut them down.
Just a bunch of stupid people running things.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 23, 2014, 07:56:15 PM
Understand - but you should control what you can control?

Soil Mechanics, the Weather, etc is beyond their control.  Of course there will be a period of the year the ground is frozen and saturated - hence the load limits to help limit the damage.

How they mitigate that to the best of their abilities - that is the key.

Don't you find it interesting that in Northern Ohio (where they have the same geographical strata. (Karst region with sandy loam to clay/loam as you progress westward toward Indiana) they have no frost laws (which IMO, are nothing more than a way to garner additional revenue and I commented about that on a thread I started)

Difference is, in Ohio, they keep their ditches clean and below road grade on all roads, primary and secondary.  They have pothole issues but not like here and the roads last longer too.

Don't make excuses for an inadequate road program.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 23, 2014, 07:58:40 PM
Most ditches I see are full of weeds and trees..  Up until last ten years they were cleared.  Doesn't make sense to let trees grow for years then get up into power lines and we have to pay big bucks then to cut them down.
Just a bunch of stupid people running things.

Again, all roadside ditches are 100% MCRC.  Just another lax segment of the road commish.

Ask Live when the last time he saw any roadside ditches being cleaned or deepened or the spoil removed.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 23, 2014, 08:00:06 PM
Good point Flip!

And their insurance is cheaper.....  and their plates and registration look to be cheaper.....  and their gas is definately cheaper right now......

So how are THEY paying for THEIR roads?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 23, 2014, 08:10:39 PM
Simple.  Ohio don't have local road comissions (aka: depositories for tax money to be wasted).  The state maintains all roads in Ohio.  There are various state garages scattered about the state.  The most noticeable one is on I-280 just past Pickle Road by Menards.  It's a big one, they even have a wind turbine for backup power.  They are all over, stragitically located to service the infrastructure.  All state of Ohio employees and I think all are unionized, AFofL/CIO.

BTW, I know what I'm talking about on this subject in as much as we (company) is based in Ohio so I have regular conversations with ODOT and PUCO.  ODOT is the parent agency that controls all the road maintenance.

Why I've maintained getting shut of the Road Comission entirely all along.  It's a waste of funds we don't have to waste.  A fraternity of good old boys and their friends, sucking tax payer money with little to show for it.  IMO, it's a bad deal.

Eliminate the layers of burecuracy and the graft and deep pockets and you get efficiency and value for dollars spent.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 23, 2014, 08:14:59 PM
Soil mechanics mean nothing when the roads are lower than the surrounding land.  Water seeks the lowest point and if it's the road bed, it becmes waterlogged and bitumen don't like water.  Thats it in a nutshell.

Same applies to dirt roads.  Road below the surrounding land = mud pie.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on March 23, 2014, 10:20:55 PM
Most ditches I see are full of weeds and trees..  Up until last ten years they were cleared.  Doesn't make sense to let trees grow for years then get up into power lines and we have to pay big bucks then to cut them down.
Just a bunch of stupid people running things.

Again, all roadside ditches are 100% MCRC.  Just another lax segment of the road commish.

Ask Live when the last time he saw any roadside ditches being cleaned or deepened or the spoil removed.....

Actually, the regular roadside ditches are supposed to be cut (and cleaned) by the township.  If anyone is interested, I would be happy to explain how the citizens are being screwed by our township officials on that subject. 

County Drains are the responsibility of the MC Drain Commission.  If you need to put a culvert in a county drain, you need a permit from the MC Drain Commission.  I have the Barnes Drain (a County Drain) running directly in front of my farm.  About 8 or 10 years ago, they had it dug out - I believe there was a petition to have it done.  I was assessed the cost, based on the lineal footage of my property that was adjacent to the drain.  The contractor (it was NOT done by the county) did a great job... replaced culverts as needed, including culverts that crossed the road, and dumped into the drain.  They split the cost into thirds, and added it to my property taxes for the next three years.  It was a small expense (about $1,800, if memory serves me), but very beneficial, I thought.

That was the LAST time I saw ANY county drains cleaned out in London Township (and we have a bunch of them).  I think there are a LOT of ditches in the county that need to be cleaned out.  I'm all for it.  Charge the adjacent property owners for the cost.  It will help the farmers, the roads, the yards, everything.

So, why isn't it being done more?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 23, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
The Crots crew (Lasershot) did ours a few years ago and did a good job and we were assessed on lineal footage as well.  I had them cut really deep with the excavator right behind the west pasture so I could drop in a suction line and water if I needed to.  I've know Virgil and Randy for years. 

Far as I know the only thing Summerfield is responsible for is mowing a 10-12 foot wide swath on both sides of the road rwice yearly and it's contracted out.  I considered bidding it but it's hell on machinery mowing ditches with all the discarded rubbish, tires, stoves, car parts and who knows what else.

People are pigs, in general.  Throw it off side the road and hell with it....

I'd like to see the County Comissioners draft an ordinance addressing ditch cleaning with the spoils put back in the adjacent field with charges going to the landowner.  I bet it would be a wake up call for farmers around here not only for planting right to the road (and blocking vision) but for filling in ditches while fitting land.

That was the way it was 30 years ago but it's gone by the wayside.  That, in itself would go a long way toward preserving the roads, both blacktop and dirt.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 24, 2014, 09:30:11 AM


There is more to it than just having sand or not. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe southern Monroe County has plenty of sand in the soil base. There is Musson Sand quarry in Petersburg among others.

My yard is mostly sandy. But... and it's a big "but"... the water table in the spring is so high in this area, that I have water standing in my yard every spring. There is a pond in the field behind my yard that correlates with my yard. When I have standing water, the pond is about the same level... at the top. Late spring, my yard dries out, and by end of summer, the pond will be 10 feet lower and my yard will be dust dry. Every year.

Rauch Road was a terrible road and I'll bet it was built on a sandy base.
Early spring water table levels mean these roads are swimming in wet soil. There is no place to drain.

 

You're absolutely right nails...  way more to it than just having sand in the base of the road bed for drainage.  My reference was the fact that many of our current roads don't have that 'base' of 24-30" of pure sand.  The common road 'rebuild' since we've lived around here (28 years) is to mill 4" off the top and replace it with the recycled (nothing wrong with that if done properly) and then add a coat of asphalt seal and dump fine stone (chips) in it...  thus the 'old' road has been 'chip n sealed'...  but 4" down it's nothing but an old road and in many, many cases there is little or no sand base beneath the actual road bed. 

Nails is right about there is a lot of Monroe County that is just plain natural occurring sand...  but also big stretches of clay and actually some stone.  The stretch of 'Rauch' road between Strasburg and Minx is built right on top of the limestone.  I have often wondered if the name 'Rauch' perhaps translates somehow to 'Rock'?  Actually there are several families in that area named Rauch so not sure who came first...  the name or the road ;D ;D ;D

Our stretch of road has both sand and clay base...  the sand obviously has held up better than the stretches with clay. 

As nails points out though...  you still need more than just the sand base.  Once the water gets both off the surface of the road and out from under the road bed itself then it has to 'drain' somewhere!  This will be a naturally occurring creek (crick to some), River and in our area, ultimately Lake Erie. 

Water will flow horizontally and down hill but it won't flow up hill even though in many cases the ditches along the road appear to flow uphill in both directions from a lowpoint in the middle!

Those are usually areas with lots of rock in the ground and when the ditches were put in 80 or 100 years ago they couldn't readily dig any deeper and the neighbors probably didn't want them dynamiting in the rock bed either!

Occasionally a 'county drain' will be adjacent to a county road.  The general difference is that county drains are much deeper.  When it's flooding a car can disappear (and sometimes do) into one of them. 

You do have to get a culvert permit from the MCRC if it's their ditch you want to cross.  You can just a permit or they will come out and install it and supply all materials.  No idea of curent costs as I haven't had them do one recently.

An interesting note for SCF...   there's a stretch of US223 near Ottawa Lake that they could not get any 'natural fall' so there is a lift station...   our tax dollars at work for ever and ever ;) ;) ;)  Seems like it has something to do with Ottawa Lake...   I've heard there was an actual lake there before they 'drained the great swamp'.

SCF mentioned the counties Gradall...  I saw it out working in our area about a year ago.  You can tell it's the count gradall because they're towing a blue pickup behind it with MCRC logos on it.  Although I rarely see them actually clean any stretches of roadside ditch what they have been doing is using it to cut notches in the berm that has squeezed up along the road surface...  so high in some areas to prevent the water from draining off the surface. 

Actually, the regular roadside ditches are supposed to be cut (and cleaned) by the township.  If anyone is interested, I would be happy to explain how the citizens are being screwed by our township officials on that subject. 

County Drains are the responsibility of the MC Drain Commission.  If you need to put a culvert in a county drain, you need a permit from the MC Drain Commission.  I have the Barnes Drain (a County Drain) running directly in front of my farm.  About 8 or 10 years ago, they had it dug out - I believe there was a petition to have it done.  I was assessed the cost, based on the lineal footage of my property that was adjacent to the drain.  The contractor (it was NOT done by the county) did a great job... replaced culverts as needed, including culverts that crossed the road, and dumped into the drain.  They split the cost into thirds, and added it to my property taxes for the next three years.  It was a small expense (about $1,800, if memory serves me), but very beneficial, I thought.

That was the LAST time I saw ANY county drains cleaned out in London Township (and we have a bunch of them).  I think there are a LOT of ditches in the county that need to be cleaned out.  I'm all for it.  Charge the adjacent property owners for the cost.  It will help the farmers, the roads, the yards, everything.

So, why isn't it being done more?

Interesting point...  it does seem like they've 'evolved' away from that over the last couple of decades...

I'm also curious who is 'responsible' for cutting down all the dead Ash (and other) trees that are all around the county along the roads.  Someday we're going to have a tragedy when one of the trees or a huge limb falls on a vehicle :( :( :(

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 24, 2014, 09:36:36 AM
Actually, there are 3 lift stations on 223 between County Line and the truck stop, not one.  If they weren't there it would flood regularly across the road and it's a US Route, not a local road...US223.

There is also a lift station on M50 at Meanwell Road for the underpass and one at US23 at the Milan underpass.

Water seeks the lowest point, always.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on March 24, 2014, 09:38:59 AM
Raisinville Twp must have cut their budget a few years back -
now it only has the roadside ditches cut once a year -
...or no one really checks the contract  8*
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 24, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
Filling potholes and repairing frost heaved asphalt is reactive, not pro-active.  Pro-Active is addressing the issue and the issue is drainage of water from the roadbed, real simple technology.

Simple but it's labor intensive and thats not something the lazy butts at the MCRC want to do so they react, while ignoring the root cause..

and the beat goes on..... and the taxpayer's money gets flushed.....

Very sad.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 24, 2014, 09:43:54 AM
Raisinville Twp must have cut their budget a few years back -
now it only has the roadside ditches cut once a year -
...or no one really checks the contract  8*

We do out here or should I say my wife does....  Not rocket science to look at weed height......
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 24, 2014, 09:52:28 AM
Actually, there are 3 lift stations on 223 between County Line and the truck stop, not one.  If they weren't there it would flood regularly across the road and it's a US Route, not a local road...US223.

There is also a lift station on M50 at Meanwell Road for the underpass and one at US23 at the Milan underpass.

Water seeks the lowest point, always.

I guess I do remember seeing more than one lift station.  I guess I should have clarified it as a ROW.

I was involved with some questions on the 'right of way' for the drainage easement in that stretch several years ago.  The original wording on it was pretty 'loose' and there was some question as to whether the 'cost' of the power and actually long term maintenance could at some point 'revert' back to the property owners the ROW covered.  I'm sure it was perfectly clear 60 years ago when it was originally written up but over the years with all the extra attorneys we've created there were some questions raised along the way.  Probably 40-50 years from now they'll go through all of it again ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on March 24, 2014, 05:49:26 PM
Raisinville Twp must have cut their budget a few years back -
now it only has the roadside ditches cut once a year -
...or no one really checks the contract  8*
It could be once a year to the middle of the ditch and every three years to the edge of the right of way. That is supposed to keep the trees from growing and overtaking the ditchbank.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 24, 2014, 09:02:37 PM
It could be once a year to the middle of the ditch and every three years to the edge of the right of way. That is supposed to keep the trees from growing and overtaking the ditchbank.

It seems like at one time they mowed our shoulders 3 times a year but then when they started doing clear to the edge of the ROW they cut back to doing the shoulders twice a year and the full ROW once a year.  I guess I never thought of it as keeping 'trees' from starting.  I thought they did it so the taller weeds wouldn't catch the snow drifting and act like a snowfence.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on March 24, 2014, 09:52:31 PM
Here in London Township, the contract is worded where the company is supposed to divide the township roads into three parts.  Each one third of the township gets one pass with the brush hog one year.  The next year, that third is supposed to get two passes.  The next year, that third is supposed to have the entire ditch cut.  The following year goes back to one pass, and so on.  Not a bad system, IF it was done.

The trustees in London Township TO THIS DAY will still say this is the way it works.  But it never happens.  We are lucky to have the dude cut the roadsides (one pass) each year.  The people running our township just don't care.  Neither do the voters.  They keep electing the same people. 

Take a guess what political party they belong to?  I'll give you a hint:  It starts with a "D", and ends with "rat"!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 24, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
Per chance is the contractor the guy from the north side of Dundee with the side mount disc mower and the open station (I think International) tractor?

You know it's very dangerous to run a disc mower with no cab.......? ;D

I'm amazed he's still alive.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on March 24, 2014, 11:36:03 PM
I don't remember the guy's name, but that is a very accurate description of his equipment.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on March 25, 2014, 01:18:51 PM
Just saw this...

Pothole repair truck in East Lansing:

took the original pic from the WLIX website but saw a creative
Pure Michigan rendition in the "comments" section that was much better   ;D
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1150915_10100103949208822_161954181_n.jpg)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 25, 2014, 01:30:46 PM
NFW.....is that real, or photoshopped?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 25, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
NFW.....is that real, or photoshopped?

I just saw it on Twitter and was going to post it...

I'm guessing it's been photo shopped though!

I'm guessing it will go viral on Twitter...

all we need to add is a picture of the 'can kicking crew' out there kicking their little can down the road ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on March 25, 2014, 04:46:37 PM

I don't think that picture is photoshopped.
I believe it's an actual photo and I have no problem believing the scene.

I haven't been able to attend any MCRC meetings lately, and I was just wondering if the pothole complaints are getting interesting yet. I know a lot of people will be blaming the harsh winter, but the previous couple winters were mild and the roads were just as bad.

I'm running out of alternative roads.


Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on March 25, 2014, 04:52:40 PM
I drove through Washtenaw County today, on several paved and dirt roads.

You will NEVER guess what I saw!!!!!

Road patching crews everywhere.  Potholes getting filled EVERYWHERE.

Graders and trucks are smoothing out the dirt roads, which were horrible.  Their dirt roads were quite a bit drier than the ones in Monroe County though, because they actually PLOWED the roads to remove the snow in a timely fashion.  So when it thaws, the roads dry quickly.  Then they can be graded QUICKLY.  With the ice and packed snow covering the dirt roads in Monroe County, many of those roads are just now starting to be completely thawed out.  There are still huge areas of ice, where it's shaded, however, BECAUSE they weren't plowed quickly, or at all.  The roads that ARE thawed right now are mostly thick mud, and can't yet be graded.

The lack of common sense in the MCRC boggles my mind.  They must be run by Democrats.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 25, 2014, 11:48:40 PM
I drove through Washtenaw County today, on several paved and dirt roads.

You will NEVER guess what I saw!!!!!

Road patching crews everywhere.  Potholes getting filled EVERYWHERE.

Graders and trucks are smoothing out the dirt roads, which were horrible.  Their dirt roads were quite a bit drier than the ones in Monroe County though, because they actually PLOWED the roads to remove the snow in a timely fashion.  So when it thaws, the roads dry quickly.  Then they can be graded QUICKLY.  With the ice and packed snow covering the dirt roads in Monroe County, many of those roads are just now starting to be completely thawed out.  There are still huge areas of ice, where it's shaded, however, BECAUSE they weren't plowed quickly, or at all.  The roads that ARE thawed right now are mostly thick mud, and can't yet be graded.

The lack of common sense in the MCRC boggles my mind.  They must be run by Democrats.

Some of Fry's relations per chance?

You can always tell a Democrat driving on a dirt road here in Monroe County....

The holes are a foot deep and they are going 50, their suspension banging and clanging.  They don't care.  They know Obama will get them an new Chevy (Obabamotors) when their car craps out from being beat to hell....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 26, 2014, 08:41:53 AM
I don't think that picture is photoshopped.
I believe it's an actual photo and I have no problem believing the scene.

I haven't been able to attend any MCRC meetings lately, and I was just wondering if the pothole complaints are getting interesting yet. I know a lot of people will be blaming the harsh winter, but the previous couple winters were mild and the roads were just as bad.

I'm running out of alternative roads.

Have you thought about buying a small helicopter and just skipping the roads altogether?

Well, it is clearly a Michigan plate on the back of the truck and I can see the 'x' between the numbers so it's a government plate.  There's definitely a tow truck in front of it too.  If we knew the exact street where it happened we could probably go into Google streetview and find the area and see what the road looked like a year or two ago.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on March 26, 2014, 10:36:29 AM
Have you thought about buying a small helicopter and just skipping the roads altogether?

Well, it is clearly a Michigan plate on the back of the truck and I can see the 'x' between the numbers so it's a government plate.  There's definitely a tow truck in front of it too.  If we knew the exact street where it happened we could probably go into Google streetview and find the area and see what the road looked like a year or two ago.

Its in East Lansing per the news article I saw
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: lilly on March 26, 2014, 12:10:22 PM
Viewer Robert Boomer sent in this photo of a road crew and East Lansing city maintenance truck that was on Harrison Road in front of the Kellogg Center to patch the road. While they were there, a sinkhole opened up beneath the truck, causing it to sink up to its axle.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=695683237141822&set=pb.139971542712997.-2207520000.1395761731.&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=695683237141822&set=pb.139971542712997.-2207520000.1395761731.&type=3&theater)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31.0-8/p960x960/1801191_695683237141822_1355565650_o.jpg)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 26, 2014, 03:29:45 PM
Viewer Robert Boomer sent in this photo of a road crew and East Lansing city maintenance truck that was on Harrison Road in front of the Kellogg Center to patch the road. While they were there, a sinkhole opened up beneath the truck, causing it to sink up to its axle.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=695683237141822&set=pb.139971542712997.-2207520000.1395761731.&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=695683237141822&set=pb.139971542712997.-2207520000.1395761731.&type=3&theater)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31.0-8/p960x960/1801191_695683237141822_1355565650_o.jpg)

Thanks for the picture and info lilly...

when I've got some time I'll try to find the spot on Google streetview...

that is a much higher resolution photo and it looks pretty 'original' to me now.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: ducksoup on April 01, 2014, 07:36:38 PM
[W]hen Republicans carved out a piece of the road budget for special allocation last year, a whole lot more roads in Republican districts benefited.

And that, say House of Representatives leadership, wasn’t an accident.

A project list from the Michigan Department of Transportation shows that of 108 projects approved by Gov. Rick Snyder and the Republican leaders of the House and Senate, 87 were requested by Republican legislators and only two by Democrats.
http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/04/michigan-republicans-withhold-road-repair-funds-from-democratic-districts-to-punish-democrats.html?fb_action_ids=10201899753755266&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B209656362577803%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.likes%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D (http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/04/michigan-republicans-withhold-road-repair-funds-from-democratic-districts-to-punish-democrats.html?fb_action_ids=10201899753755266&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B209656362577803%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.likes%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on April 01, 2014, 07:51:59 PM
Michigan not alone in screwing up roads.
Toledo rebuild Secor road from Monroe street to Central Ave last year..  Everything new, water lines, sewer, gas elec.  Driving down there today they have dug up at least 4 huge holes 10x10.   So much for a nice smooth road. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monique on April 01, 2014, 07:56:36 PM
Michigan not alone in screwing up roads.
Toledo rebuild Secor road from Monroe street to Central Ave last year..  Everything new, water lines, sewer, gas elec.  Driving down there today they have dug up at least 4 huge holes 10x10.   So much for a nice smooth road.
"Michigan not alone...Toledo rebuild Secor..." Are you doing your Frankenstein-Caveman impersonation again?? lol

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 01, 2014, 11:18:27 PM
Michigan not alone in screwing up roads.
Toledo rebuild Secor road from Monroe street to Central Ave last year..  Everything new, water lines, sewer, gas elec.  Driving down there today they have dug up at least 4 huge holes 10x10.   So much for a nice smooth road.

Thats not the road, it's the plumbing underneath.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on April 02, 2014, 04:10:34 PM
I haven't looked at the video yet but ill post it now for those than want to see what's going on in Bedford with the MCRC.

There was quite a discussion at last night's Bedford Township Board Meeting concerning the Bedford Township roads and the MCRC. I have posted the video to the www.bedfordyes.com (http://www.bedfordyes.com)  web site.

If you would like to hear what was discussed, go to the web page listed below and look under the April 1, 2014 Board Meeting. Go to video #2: Dale Zorn spoke twice, once starting at the 7 minute mark and again at the 20 minute mark. The vice-president of the MCRC workers union spoke starting at the 33 minute mark. I am sure that many residents will be very interested to hear what was discussed by Bedford Township Board members, State Representative Dale Zorn and the vice-president of the union concerning the MCRC funding and plans concerning road projects for this summer in Bedford Township. Here is the link to the page:

http://www.bedfordyes.com/BedfordTownshipAgendaMinutesVideo.htm#agendaminutesvideo (http://www.bedfordyes.com/BedfordTownshipAgendaMinutesVideo.htm#agendaminutesvideo)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on April 02, 2014, 04:46:17 PM







The county road commission will get $666,000 from $230 mil­lion in state budget savings this year targeted for road replace­ment or major repairs, Rep. Zorn told the Monroe County Cham­ber of Commerce at a legislative luncheon Monday.

"$666k" for the MCRC to fix roads..............666.  I swear, I cant make this stuff up.

MCRC getting their 666.   BRD, I tried to not comment on this, I tried and I tried. I just had to. Couldn't help myself.




Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 02, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
So 83 counties in Michigan.

230 Million Dollars.

So if that was split up EQUALLY that would be 2,771,084.34 per county.

Great job Dale, Bill, and Randy!

Thanks for taking such good care of us!  You didn't even get us 25% of what our fair share was - and our roads are WAY worse than any other county I've driven around in this State.

What a joke.

Am I the only one that can do math?

Where is the money going exactly?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on April 02, 2014, 05:13:35 PM
Reading the paper tonite, I see we have gone back to the Road Commission board members being appointed instead of being elected. This I don't mind so much, using the logic that the appointments should be made on the best qualified individuals instead of a popularity contest  where unqualified people could be elected just because of name recognition.

Although I'm not so sure this method worked so well with the previous board, having appointed "General Duffy" to preside for years, protecting his corporal Penrod and renewing his contract without even taking applications for a better qualified manager. This is after the $3 million scandal of trying to build a Road Commission Palace while telling us that the roads couldn't be repaired because there was no money.

One line in the article that scares the crap out of me though . . .
per Mr. Lambert . . . " We're going back to the way it used to be ".

That sends chills up my pothole rattled spine.



Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on April 02, 2014, 05:57:35 PM
"Where is the money going exactly?"

did anybody ever hear of Detroit??
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Bedford Alumni News on April 02, 2014, 06:14:47 PM
There was a jaw-dropping discussion at last night's Bedford Township Board Meeting concerning the Bedford Township roads and the Monroe County Road Commission. Video of the meeting is posted on the www.bedfordyes.com (http://www.bedfordyes.com) web site.

To view the video, go to the web page listed below and look under the April 1, 2014 Board Meeting.  Go to video #2: State Representative Dale Zorn spoke twice, once starting at the 7 minute mark and again at the 20 minute mark. The vice-president of the MCRC workers union spoke starting at the 33 minute mark. I am sure that many residents will be very interested to hear what was discussed by Bedford Township Board members, State Representative Dale Zorn and the vice-president of the union concerning the MCRC funding and plans concerning road projects for this summer in Bedford Township. Here is the link to the page:

http://www.bedfordyes.com/BedfordTownshipAgendaMinutesVideo.htm#agendaminutesvideo (http://www.bedfordyes.com/BedfordTownshipAgendaMinutesVideo.htm#agendaminutesvideo)


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Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on April 02, 2014, 06:56:15 PM
Reading the paper tonite, I see we have gone back to the Road Commission board members being appointed instead of being elected. This I don't mind so much, using the logic that the appointments should be made on the best qualified individuals instead of a popularity contest  where unqualified people could be elected just because of name recognition.

Although I'm not so sure this method worked so well with the previous board, having appointed "General Duffy" to preside for years, protecting his corporal Penrod and renewing his contract without even taking applications for a better qualified manager. This is after the $3 million scandal of trying to build a Road Commission Palace while telling us that the roads couldn't be repaired because there was no money.

One line in the article that scares the crap out of me though . . .
per Mr. Lambert . . . " We're going back to the way it used to be ".

That sends chills up my pothole rattled spine.




So they have that power - to decide if elections do or do not occur... 

but not the power to eliminate/absorb/take control?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: katy scarlett on April 02, 2014, 07:34:37 PM
Watched the video regarding Bedford (TY Blue2 and Bedford Alumni News for posting a link) and am more annoyed at MCRC than ever.   I mean, Bedford already is willing to pay 75% to get anything done and MCRC still won't do it?  If all of the townships/cities are paying at that rate where the heck does all of the money go??? Oh, that's right it was mentioned--salaries & benefits!   (NOT trying to say that the workers should work for free--but the amount of $$ vs number of employees seems excessive)  Also, if Bedford wants to eventually get anything done with the roads, they have to waste more $$ by having a new estimate/survey/etc done every year until MCRC finally finds it in their hearts to do it??? Did I hear/understand that right?   UGH!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 03, 2014, 08:12:35 AM






The county road commission will get $666,000 from $230 mil­lion in state budget savings this year targeted for road replace­ment or major repairs, Rep. Zorn told the Monroe County Cham­ber of Commerce at a legislative luncheon Monday.

"$666k" for the MCRC to fix roads..............666.  I swear, I cant make this stuff up.

MCRC getting their 666.   BRD, I tried to not comment on this, I tried and I tried. I just had to. Couldn't help myself.



Credit to you for trying Dm :) :) :)

I guess then at this point we'll have to add the following signs to any of the repaired roads in the county that receive any funding whatsoever from the 'very generous' Snyder 'kick the can' fund...   for it has truly become the highway to  H E L L :

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/US_666.svg/750px-US_666.svg.png)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 03, 2014, 08:20:12 AM
Reading the paper tonite, I see we have gone back to the Road Commission board members being appointed instead of being elected. This I don't mind so much, using the logic that the appointments should be made on the best qualified individuals instead of a popularity contest  where unqualified people could be elected just because of name recognition.

Although I'm not so sure this method worked so well with the previous board, having appointed "General Duffy" to preside for years, protecting his corporal Penrod and renewing his contract without even taking applications for a better qualified manager. This is after the $3 million scandal of trying to build a Road Commission Palace while telling us that the roads couldn't be repaired because there was no money.

One line in the article that scares the crap out of me though . . .
per Mr. Lambert . . . " We're going back to the way it used to be ".

That sends chills up my pothole rattled spine.

I saw the article on the front page last night...  didn't even read it past the headline...   still shaking my head.  I believe the Monroe County Board of Commissioners has bought into General Custer's departing remarks...   "Don't change a thing until I get back"!!!  It's like they suddenly realized that even in the worst winter in decades roads were getting plowed better and then when spring hit the crews were out patching potholes faster than they had in several years...  it's like they saw the improvement starting to happen and they got together and said...  "we can't have this...  what can we do to STOP this from happening"?

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on April 03, 2014, 08:34:19 AM
The article I read made it sound like this money was just enough to cover some snow plowing, but that they did have 11 million in another fund to cover some major road repairs... 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on April 03, 2014, 08:34:30 AM
I'm still strongly in favor of consolidating the Road Commissions in the state.

Why have 83 duplicates of positions when they could break the counties into maybe 6 or 8 larger districts. Everything could be simplified and equipment could be moved around more to where it's needed rather than sitting unused at times.

To keep it like it is, 83 separate departments, seems like upper level job saving. The actual workers wouldn't decrease. Still need the guys to run the equipment and do the work, but we wouldn't need so much in the management area, or 83 separate sets of engineers.


Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 03, 2014, 08:44:52 AM
The article I read made it sound like this money was just enough to cover some snow plowing, but that they did have 11 million in another fund to cover some major road repairs...

So, breaking that $11M down using the same formula as this distribution MCRC should get just about enough to pay for installing a new alternator on one of the 'appointed' Road Commissioners ;) ;) ;)

I doubt it even will cover whatever it cost the county and the MCRC to put the new Emergency level warnings in place :( :( :(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 03, 2014, 10:39:19 AM
So they have that power - to decide if elections do or do not occur... 

but not the power to eliminate/absorb/take control?

Seems like legislation was approved a few years ago to allow the local County Boards to 'take over' the work of the road commissioners...  I never really saw how it was supposed to work but I believe a handful of counties in Michigan did do that. 

But I don't see how that could possibly work in Monroe County...

the County Commissioners are all elected and they've now gone on record saying the county electorate aren't smart enough to actually vote for a responsible candidate...

makes you wonder how stupid we all were when we elected THEM doesn't it ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on April 03, 2014, 01:25:16 PM

the County Commissioners are all elected and they've now gone on record saying the county electorate aren't smart enough to actually vote for a responsible candidate...

makes you wonder how stupid we all were when we elected THEM doesn't it ??? ??? ???

That would make a good subject for a MEN letter to the editor BRD.
Let a few others in the larger community think about the logic.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 03, 2014, 01:37:37 PM
Bottom line is the 'Moron' County Road Commission is a joke, will always be a joke.  Nothing changes except the faces and the empty pockets (that need filled with taxpayers funds....

I like 'moron'.  Only thing Frog has ever come up with thats palatible....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 05, 2014, 10:02:49 AM
I'm still strongly in favor of consolidating the Road Commissions in the state.

Why have 83 duplicates of positions when they could break the counties into maybe 6 or 8 larger districts. Everything could be simplified and equipment could be moved around more to where it's needed rather than sitting unused at times.

To keep it like it is, 83 separate departments, seems like upper level job saving. The actual workers wouldn't decrease. Still need the guys to run the equipment and do the work, but we wouldn't need so much in the management area, or 83 separate sets of engineers.

We already have residents (taxpayers) in some areas of the county complaining that they're not getting their roads plowed or potholes filled in a timely manner.  What happens when we join with several other counties and some bigshot decides to send all the resources to Washtenaw county this week?

Combining forces and saving money may 'appear' to work on paper but when it comes down to customer service and quick response then it's pretty hard to beat a 'local' road commission.  Sometimes saving a few dollars is not the best 'end game' for everyone involved.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 05, 2014, 10:12:36 AM
So, breaking that $11M down using the same formula as this distribution MCRC should get just about enough to pay for installing a new alternator on one of the 'appointed' Road Commissioners ;) ;) ;)

I doubt it even will cover whatever it cost the county and the MCRC to put the new Emergency level warnings in place :( :( :(


I did contact both of our 'state reps' yesterday to request the breakdown on the way this latest round of stop gap funding was distributed.  I really didn't get a reply that made sense to me although I did get plenty of political rhetoric from both ;) ;) ;)

Then last night while I was looking at my 'home town' newspaper on my tablet (while laying in bed I might add)...   there it was!!!

Unfortunately this only gives precise numbers for the counties in the central part of the state but it leads me to believe they must all be posted 'online' somewhere...  Using 'their formula' I guess Monroe County didn't fare too bad...  more than Bay County but less than Saginaw county.

http://www.ourmidland.com/news/here-s-how-much-road-money-midmichigan-area-will-receive/article_d306e61e-63fe-5c1b-af72-43128708031a.html (http://www.ourmidland.com/news/here-s-how-much-road-money-midmichigan-area-will-receive/article_d306e61e-63fe-5c1b-af72-43128708031a.html)

Quote
Bay County, $488,565.76

• Clare County, $232,587.10

• Gladwin County, $198,037.22

• Gratiot County, $269,531.19

• Isabella County, $325,994.49

• Saginaw County, $805,768.68
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 05, 2014, 07:04:34 PM
Just keep in mind that around 85% of the funding goes directly for legacy costs.  Not much left to fix anything.

Copule bags of cold patch and a trip ot two to Tim Hortons for choclate creme sliders and coffee

From what I see, the legacy costs are eating up everything and leraving the roads in craters.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on April 05, 2014, 07:45:31 PM
Monroe county just needs to get away from taking care of state highways and concentrate on local and county roads.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 05, 2014, 07:48:07 PM
That will never happen.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on April 05, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
It just might
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 07, 2014, 09:33:30 AM
It just might

If that actually happens then I can see the MCRC finally being able to respond to the needs (and wants) of the Monroe County citizens again.  I'm sure this concept seemed like a great idea back when they got started with it and then once they were in they were just over their head eventually.

Does anyone remember when this got started in the first place?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 09, 2014, 03:23:27 PM
While I was poking around the new 'Monroe Grill' on Telegraph I noticed the four asphalt hauling trailers sitting out behind the road commission barns.  I took a picture but I'll have to post it later.  One article I saw said the MCRC is done with road building so I assume these will be for sale.  I wonder what kind of a loss they'll end up taking on these?  If they had 4 trailers then they probably had 4 semi-tractors to haul them.  Of course a tractor can haul different style trailers although the engine and gearing might not be optimal but I wonder if they'll be selling any of those...  and probably at a loss too!?!?!?

There was an article on the Monroe News in the last couple of days about the MCRC trying to decide to use asphalt or concrete to re-do the surface of Samaria M-151 Lakeside and whatever else it's named...

Whoever was being interviewed said the MCRC had more experience in dealing with repairs on asphalt than on concrete...  My question is just how many miles of concrete freeway have they been maintaining and patching for the last 30 years?

One would have thought they would have gained quite a bit of experience dealing with concrete while they were taking care of all that freeway :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on April 09, 2014, 07:08:12 PM
I made the mistake of taking old 151 crossing from 23 to Telegraph - about a week ago and I had to drive on the shoulder until I got to the next road to get off... 
Apparently the new patches only last one season - so I hope they didn't pay a lot for the machine!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on April 09, 2014, 07:22:19 PM
I'm noticing that some of the patches are opening up again. I don't know if they were done in colder weather or with the pothole machine.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 09, 2014, 07:36:52 PM
I made the mistake of taking old 151 crossing from 23 to Telegraph - about a week ago and I had to drive on the shoulder until I got to the next road to get off... 
Apparently the new patches only last one season - so I hope they didn't pay a lot for the machine!


I haven't been near that stretch for a month so can't really comment on how it held up.  I guess it's a moot issue at this point because according to the article in the paper last night the MCRC is hoping to let a contract by June or July and somebody will be grinding it all up anyway.

Here's the picture I took of the four asphalt trailers this afternoon!

Your tax dollars NOT at work...

oh well, at least they're all sitting inside a nice secure fence rather than like the 2 mowers that sat outside  for half the winter ;) ;) ;)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/P4090358_zps78ff4dd6.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/P4090358_zps78ff4dd6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 09, 2014, 07:40:28 PM
I made the mistake of taking old 151 crossing from 23 to Telegraph - about a week ago and I had to drive on the shoulder until I got to the next road to get off... 
Apparently the new patches only last one season - so I hope they didn't pay a lot for the machine!

Somebody sent this tweet in to the Monroe News this morning and they retweeted it:

Quote
#roadwatch MT via @loveautumn: Samaria rd in Erie & Temp.avoid it if u can. Undriveable.Potholes craters HUGE.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 11, 2014, 01:20:44 PM
I just saw anther van go by on a flat tire...

more than likely the result of our wonderful pothole infested roads!!!

Looked like it had an aluminum wheel so after they stopped to look they probably just decided to drive it on home like that :( :( :(

I wonder how they'll feel tomorrow (after they buy a new wheel and tire) about paying some more taxes to fund the long term road repairs ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 12, 2014, 12:04:51 PM
I just saw anther van go by on a flat tire...

more than likely the result of our wonderful pothole infested roads!!!

Looked like it had an aluminum wheel so after they stopped to look they probably just decided to drive it on home like that :( :( :(

I wonder how they'll feel tomorrow (after they buy a new wheel and tire) about paying some more taxes to fund the long term road repairs ??? ??? ???

Posted speed limits are oinly a 'suggestiion' today......  You can't drive the posted limit on any Moron County road without inflicting damage to your vehicle.  Our road is about 1mph, maybe.

Where the hell are they (MCRC).  No grading, no patch, nothing.  I'm getting ready to grade the road, myself.  Probably sitting at the garage looking at porno mags and smoking dope.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 12, 2014, 12:07:47 PM
While I was poking around the new 'Monroe Grill' on Telegraph I noticed the four asphalt hauling trailers sitting out behind the road commission barns.  I took a picture but I'll have to post it later.  One article I saw said the MCRC is done with road building so I assume these will be for sale.  I wonder what kind of a loss they'll end up taking on these?  If they had 4 trailers then they probably had 4 semi-tractors to haul them.  Of course a tractor can haul different style trailers although the engine and gearing might not be optimal but I wonder if they'll be selling any of those...  and probably at a loss too!?!?!?

There was an article on the Monroe News in the last couple of days about the MCRC trying to decide to use asphalt or concrete to re-do the surface of Samaria M-151 Lakeside and whatever else it's named...

Whoever was being interviewed said the MCRC had more experience in dealing with repairs on asphalt than on concrete...  My question is just how many miles of concrete freeway have they been maintaining and patching for the last 30 years?

One would have thought they would have gained quite a bit of experience dealing with concrete while they were taking care of all that freeway :-\ :-\ :-\

Don't know about selling.  Buying some more new ones from us though...... :P
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 15, 2014, 07:59:22 AM
Did everyone be sure and check for a MCRC road condition posting this morning?

Wouldn't want anyone driving in unsafe conditions.

Amazing...  it hasn't snowed for a month and everyone has forgotten how to drive in the snow already.

S L O W   D O W N!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 22, 2014, 05:34:49 PM
And another one bites the dust.

Dang nice of them to let the people that live on the road get to their houses though.

I guess put up a "dead end" sign and call it a day.

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Wells Rd. between Todd and Ida Center Rds. has been closed because of the failure of the culvert crossing of the Cranberry Marsh Drain. #

The road about a quarter mile north of Todd will be closed until further notice, said the Monroe County Road Commission. #

No detour route has been posted. Local residents will be allowed access to their homes.

Read more at: [url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/apr/22/wells-rd-closed/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/apr/22/wells-rd-closed/[/url])


Queen - Another One Bites the Dust (Official Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE#)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on April 22, 2014, 06:15:06 PM
Fixing a culvert?
I recall when Bedford Hills wanted to put a tunnel from one course to the other under Jackmon road.  The county made them do it in one day.
They had prefab concrete enclosures, dug up the road, dropped them in and repaved.
But when it's the government responsibility it takes forever.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 22, 2014, 06:31:13 PM
From that article did you get the impression that they have any intention of fixing that culvert?

I didn't.

It would be one thing if the article said it will be repaired, but the schedule is not determined. 

It just said road closed.  They will probably just declare it a private road and stick the people who live and farm off it with the hassle.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 22, 2014, 06:38:34 PM
And another one bites the dust.

Dang nice of them to let the people that live on the road get to their houses though.

I guess put up a "dead end" sign and call it a day.

Queen - Another One Bites the Dust (Official Video) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE#[/url])


But they have money to buy new trucks....  go figure.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: eriemermaid on April 22, 2014, 06:58:37 PM
I can't even remember when they closed Monk Road off outside of Dundee because of a bride.  The road commission has always been a waste!   :-\
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 22, 2014, 07:03:12 PM
I can't even remember when they closed Monk Road off outside of Dundee because of a bride.  The road commission has always been a waste!   :-\

Your tax dollars at work Erie.....   never forget that.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 22, 2014, 07:22:28 PM
I would say your Tax Dollars Not at Work.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 23, 2014, 12:07:54 PM
I can't even remember when they closed Monk Road off outside of Dundee because of a bride.  The road commission has always been a waste!   :-\

I think it's still closed too isn't it?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 23, 2014, 12:17:24 PM
Fixing a culvert?
I recall when Bedford Hills wanted to put a tunnel from one course to the other under Jackmon road.  The county made them do it in one day.
They had prefab concrete enclosures, dug up the road, dropped them in and repaved.
But when it's the government responsibility it takes forever.


They can probably do this in a day or two once they get everything 'ready' which the private contractor for Bedford Hills obviously had the opportunity to do.

One issue here is this is a township line road shared between Ida and Summerield Townships so there will have to be 'co-operation' between both the townships and the MCRC. 

This isn't a real heavy traveled road and there aren't even a lot of houses in the area.  It's right beside US23 so not a lot of people are traveling in the area.

http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=41.85479,-83.65060&z=17&t=H&marker0=41.85473%2C-83.65059%2C7.4%20km%20SE%20of%20Petersburg%20MI (http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=41.85479,-83.65060&z=17&t=H&marker0=41.85473%2C-83.65059%2C7.4%20km%20SE%20of%20Petersburg%20MI)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: eriemermaid on April 23, 2014, 12:30:16 PM
Yes BRD, it is still closed.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: eriemermaid on April 23, 2014, 12:37:02 PM
http://www.historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=michigan/southmonk/ (http://www.historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=michigan/southmonk/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 23, 2014, 07:29:41 PM
[url]http://www.historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=michigan/southmonk/[/url] ([url]http://www.historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=michigan/southmonk/[/url])


Interesting website...  I'll dig through that some more on a rainy day!

The sign used to say "bridge out" but now it just says 'road closed' so I doubt they're planning to replace it anytime soon :o :o :o

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.964029,-83.698306,3a,75y,3.78h,58.77t/data= (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.964029,-83.698306,3a,75y,3.78h,58.77t/data=)!3m4!1e1!3m2!1smUYLwAjokAf4Ib1TDJhoGg!2e0
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on April 23, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
Minx between Substation and Temperance Rd had a "culvert" bridge that's been out for a few years now...   Probably another Dead End road
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 23, 2014, 08:00:00 PM
How many years until the only way to cross the County will be on a State or Federally funded route?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on April 23, 2014, 08:02:20 PM
Too bad they don't just let the Farmers go back to building what they need to cross a creek...   
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 23, 2014, 08:04:55 PM
Too bad they don't just let the Farmers go back to building what they need to cross a creek...   

Who is going to stop them?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on April 23, 2014, 08:32:08 PM
Who is going to stop them?

Apparently the permit process and all...    At least what I have been told by someone that wanted to move a bridge on their property.   
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 23, 2014, 09:07:00 PM
Easier to ask forgiveness later then get permission now!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 23, 2014, 09:15:42 PM
They can probably do this in a day or two once they get everything 'ready' which the private contractor for Bedford Hills obviously had the opportunity to do.

One issue here is this is a township line road shared between Ida and Summerield Townships so there will have to be 'co-operation' between both the townships and the MCRC. 

This isn't a real heavy traveled road and there aren't even a lot of houses in the area.  It's right beside US23 so not a lot of people are traveling in the area.

[url]http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=41.85479,-83.65060&z=17&t=H&marker0=41.85473%2C-83.65059%2C7.4%20km%20SE%20of%20Petersburg%20MI[/url] ([url]http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=41.85479,-83.65060&z=17&t=H&marker0=41.85473%2C-83.65059%2C7.4%20km%20SE%20of%20Petersburg%20MI[/url])


When it's graded, I use (used) it all the time.  Guess I won't now.  Have a friend on Kruse that it will impact too.  I have a round bale customer off Secor and I pull bale wagons that way too.  Maybe I broke the culvert.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on April 23, 2014, 09:19:27 PM
Potholes must be all filled - I see them out doing shoulder maintenance (scraping up the grass - and re-scraping it back to the shoulder)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on April 23, 2014, 09:39:58 PM
I know it's not MCRC road, but just went out to Cracker Barrel a while ago for supper.  Wow did that repaving project downtown on Front/Elm Street degrade quickly.  Wasn't that just repaved 2 years or so ago?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 23, 2014, 09:46:40 PM
Fuzz.....  Which?  They are on opposite sides of the River......  or Both?

 ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on April 23, 2014, 09:48:41 PM
Yes, both.  We went one way out there, and the other back and both were in poor condition.  The one on the North side is what I recall just being recently repaved and was pretty rough.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 23, 2014, 09:51:36 PM
I came back from Petersburg to Monroe on Dunbar this week.

Man it has went to.......

I used to take it out to the Irish Hills every weekend there was a MIS race for years...  and it was smooth - but not so anymore.

Honestly if this keeps up we are all going to have to buy surplus Humvees with the self inflating tires to get around this county.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on April 23, 2014, 10:16:59 PM
Apparently the permit process and all...    At least what I have been told by someone that wanted to move a bridge on their property.


Hee hee hee!!!

Permit process?

Now that's funny right there.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 24, 2014, 12:51:16 AM
I know it's not MCRC road, but just went out to Cracker Barrel a while ago for supper.  Wow did that repaving project downtown on Front/Elm Street degrade quickly.  Wasn't that just repaved 2 years or so ago?

Going to Cracker Barrel off Dixie is a challenge in anything with wheels.  That road is worse than Plank is and thats going some.  It's a City of Monroe road.  Amazing, all the industry there and the in and out is for $hitte.  I use Detroit to Telb to get to the dealership with a truck.  Even air suspension is no match for the craters....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 24, 2014, 12:52:32 AM
I came back from Petersburg to Monroe on Dunbar this week.

Man it has went to.......

I used to take it out to the Irish Hills every weekend there was a MIS race for years...  and it was smooth - but not so anymore.

Honestly if this keeps up we are all going to have to buy surplus Humvees with the self inflating tires to get around this county.

Once you cross into Lenawee County past Deerfield, everything changes...for the better.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on May 08, 2014, 10:33:59 AM
Where are the big blue trucks?  The MCRC did a full out blitz right after the snow and ice melted.  They filled most of the pot holes in a few days.  Now most are back plus some new ones that are pretty bad.  Where is the MCRC?
I think i found out last night...There must be 20 miles of barrels lined up on I275 and I75.  So I doubt we'll see any local action out of our road repair crews the rest of the summer.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on May 08, 2014, 11:08:51 AM
Where are the big blue trucks?  The MCRC did a full out blitz right after the snow and ice melted.  They filled most of the pot holes in a few days.  Now most are back plus some new ones that are pretty bad.  Where is the MCRC?
I think i found out last night...There must be 20 miles of barrels lined up on I275 and I75.  So I doubt we'll see any local action out of our road repair crews the rest of the summer.

The MCRC aren't out on 275.

That looks like a Contractor doing the job.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on May 08, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Well then I wonder where the MCRC guys are.  There isn't much else to do right now.  They should be filling the pot holes again.  They are bad.  Almost as bad as before.  I know Stammer is away at big road commission meetings for a week so maybe nothing happens until he returns with all kinds of ideas.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on May 08, 2014, 01:50:36 PM
Are they out on Tuttle Hill?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on May 08, 2014, 10:44:56 PM
Are they out on Tuttle Hill?

Nope. Drove down Tuttle Hill today, and it looks like the moon, with all those craters. No MCRC in sight.

There's a LOT of dirt roads that need grading.  Some haven't been touched since last SUMMER!!!!

Great job MCRC.

Fricking morons.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on May 09, 2014, 10:31:31 AM
Going to Cracker Barrel off Dixie is a challenge in anything with wheels.  That road is worse than Plank is and thats going some.  It's a City of Monroe road.  Amazing, all the industry there and the in and out is for $hitte.  I use Detroit to Telb to get to the dealership with a truck.  Even air suspension is no match for the craters....

The police are busy - but they will get on it as soon as they get finished in their pothole filling training... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrvzZewPUJA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrvzZewPUJA)

Quote
The students designed the device as their entry in an engineering contest sponsored by the French materials company Saint-Gobain, in which competitors were required to create a novel product from simple materials. Last week, they were awarded first prize.

Although the composition of the fluid hasn’t been revealed, it is reportedly biodegradable and non-toxic. The students apparently had to try using a number of different particle sizes in order to achieve the right viscosity. It is stored in the form of a powder, within waterproof silicone-lined bags made out of a strong fiber such as Kevlar.

The idea is that city workers or perhaps even police officers would carry these powder-filled bags in their vehicles with them. When they came across a pothole that needed filling, they would simply open the bag, add water, reseal it, then lay it in the hole. Because the material would be in a liquid state at the time, it would simply press the bag into the uneven contours of the inside of the hole, while maintaining a flat upper surface. A piece of black adhesive fabric would be added over top to keep drivers from going around it, and presumably also to keep the bag from being flipped out of the hole.

http://www.gizmag.com/non-newtonian-fluid-pothole-bags/22153/ (http://www.gizmag.com/non-newtonian-fluid-pothole-bags/22153/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on May 09, 2014, 01:47:07 PM
Just saw a guy and a truck at end of Adler by summerfield.  I don't know if there was enough patch material in the dump truck to fill those pot holes but he was trying.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on May 09, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
Not sure why they just don't have a tar truck drive around and fill them, as they through cold patch - seems it would last longer, and that's the new "standard"  for county roads anyway...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on May 09, 2014, 04:17:53 PM
I saw a video where they seemed to be spraying tar from one machine and some kind of stone mixture from another into pot holes.  Don't know if that's better than shoveling in hot patch or not.
Do the guys that drive the blue trucks do anything else, especially in the warmer months?
Why aren't they all out filling pot holes?
Maybe i don't get out enough but i've only seen this one guy in the last month.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on May 09, 2014, 08:54:57 PM
No Overtime budget left until July 1st... 

Then you'll see em all out working around the clock  ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 10, 2014, 12:07:26 AM
Nope. Drove down Tuttle Hill today, and it looks like the moon, with all those craters. No MCRC in sight.

There's a LOT of dirt roads that need grading.  Some haven't been touched since last SUMMER!!!!

Great job MCRC.

Fricking morons.

It is Moron County is it not?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 12, 2014, 09:55:56 AM
No Overtime budget left until July 1st... 

Then you'll see em all out working around the clock  ;)

They probably have as many as possible right now working on the state roads so they can bill the state for all their hours!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 12, 2014, 10:10:23 AM
Just saw a guy and a truck at end of Adler by summerfield.  I don't know if there was enough patch material in the dump truck to fill those pot holes but he was trying.


Maybe that means he had a really big pile when he left the garage and he's got it all put into the Snyderholes...  that could mean he's patched as much as a half a mile of road somewhere.  I mentioned about a month ago when they came down our road and did a pretty decent job.  Took all day though.  And now a few of the bigger holes have just compacted their last filling down to where it's getting pretty deep again.

If they're not out patching Snyderholes they can be grading the gravel roads, cutting drainage channels along the side berms of all the roads so the water can get off the surface before it soaks into the roadbed where it just sits.  There are thousands of dead ash (and others) trees in the road right of way around the county that should be cut down.  One of these bad storms (it's thundering here right now) one of those trees is going to hit a car and hurt (or worse) someone!

There are tires and bed springs laying along the rural roads all over the county:  http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/may/11/season-spawns-bumper-tire-crop/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/may/11/season-spawns-bumper-tire-crop/)

I'm sure the list goes on and on but I have to go do some work to pay my taxes to fix the roads ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on May 12, 2014, 10:50:18 AM
Work?   
Heck they take taxes even if you don't go to work...   :(

I'm curious why the Pot for Pothole taxes hasn't wound its way into the legislature  8*

We've seen the success in Colorado, and if we wait until other states do it, it will be too late to capture that visiting vacationers taxes 
(And I'm really curious about the "Pure Michigan" campaign adds to come from that...  ;D  )
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on May 12, 2014, 11:06:05 AM
This will make you Snyder fans smile.
Saw a billboard on I96 close to Howell yesterday praising Gov Snyder.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on May 20, 2014, 05:16:00 PM
While we complain about the MCRC I don't see much better in Toledo.
Witnessed a crew of 3 trucks and not sure how many workers.  I only saw 2 working so maybe one of them drove 2 vehicles.  Or maybe if you drive a truck you can sit all day and not do anything else.
Any way they were filling pot holes on Douglas from Alexis to the state line.  Maybe 3/4 mile stretch of road.  I first saw them at 8:30 going north.  I later saw them around 3 working their way back and were about half way from where i saw them at 8:30.
It's no wonder Toledo's roads aren't in any better condition than ours at the rate these people were working.
And I might add the 2 people were probably approaching 300lbs and rested longer between each shovel than they took to throw one shovel into a hole.  Put em on disability and hire someone capable of doing the job.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on May 21, 2014, 07:41:09 AM
What I would like to know is what do the MCRC employees DO this time of year?

They AREN'T grading roads.

They AREN'T patching holes.

What ARE they doing? 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 21, 2014, 09:45:32 AM
What I would like to know is what do the MCRC employees DO this time of year?

They AREN'T grading roads.

They AREN'T patching holes.

What ARE they doing?

Sitting around the garage having a circle jerk maybe?

Communing at Tim Hortons?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on May 21, 2014, 09:52:38 AM
All the trucks are probably broken down from running up and down I75 and US23 all winter so the guys have no way to get to the jobs.
Another reason to hire contractors.
Only pay them when they are doing something.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on May 29, 2014, 01:03:33 PM
Town Hall Meeting on Roads in Bedford!
I wonder how many people will show up for this.

Members of the Bedford Township Board of Trustees will hold a town hall meeting regarding the state of the township’s roads. The meeting will take place on June 5 at 7 p.m. at the government center, 8100 Jackman Rd, Temperance. All community members are invited to attend.

Read more at: http://www.bedfordnow.com/news/2014/may/25/trustees-hold-road-meeting/ (http://www.bedfordnow.com/news/2014/may/25/trustees-hold-road-meeting/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 29, 2014, 11:03:42 PM
I knew it was goona rain (the other day), they finally graded the road.  Turned to mud soup, drief out and the f'in holes are back....  The good life in Moron County.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on May 30, 2014, 07:47:11 AM
I actually saw a MCRC truck yesterday.  It was an inspection truck, though.  Just a pickup.  He was sitting in the road near the corner of Wanty and Darling for over an hour, looking busy, taking notes.  He was probably reading facebook on his phone.  BOTH of these roads are in desperate need of grading, so I thought, "YESSSS!!!  Finally!!!!!!" 

Um, no.  The next day I saw that someone had thrown a couple wheelbarrows full of stone in a small washout on the edge of the road, near where the truck was parked.  Now, exactly what was the overall cost of those few shovels of stone, I wonder?

GREAT JOB, MCRC!!!!!

Fricking morons.  Can't see the forest for the GD trees.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 30, 2014, 09:12:46 AM
Maybe they figure if it gets so bad, the lumps and bumps will become smooth......

I haven't been on Plank since I quit Dumdee Sportsmans.  One less road to ruin my suspension.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on May 30, 2014, 09:41:33 PM
Well, today they actually GRADED a road!!!!!
Yes, with a ROAD GRADER!!!!!!!!!

Allison Road, between Plank and Townsend.

NO OTHER ROADS.

This one little stretch of Allison wasn't bad at all. The REST of Allison looks like the surface of the f**king moon. But did they TOUCH that??  NO!!!!

They already drove the grader up to this location, and they graded a half mile of road.

Then drove it back to the yard. Yippee.

Who the hell is running this backass organization??

What fricking clown is responsible for grading a GOOD road, while ignoring the bad ones? ? ? ? ? ?

Whoever he is, he should be FIRED!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 30, 2014, 09:45:53 PM
Howard (Dillrod) Penrod of course.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 30, 2014, 09:58:17 PM
Dillrod got canned.  It's 'Dandy' Randy Pierce now..........
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on June 18, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
It's just shameful the way we are treated.  There have been to many to count very large pot holes all in same area on Springbrook off Secor since winter.  Vehicles on both sides have been driving at least 3 feet into peoples front yards to avoid most of the holes.
They have finally been filled.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 18, 2014, 10:06:15 PM
It's just shameful the way we are treated.  There have been to many to count very large pot holes all in same area on Springbrook off Secor since winter.  Vehicles on both sides have been driving at least 3 feet into peoples front yards to avoid most of the holes.
They have finally been filled.

........until next winter..... :P
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 18, 2014, 10:08:51 PM
I've found a better weather predictor than Weather Bug or Weather.com.....

MCRC.  They only grade the dirt roads a day before a monsoon.  Haven't missed in 30 years, just like clockwork.

Graded yesterday, monsoon today.  I can set my weather clock on MCRC.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on June 18, 2014, 10:19:27 PM
LOL....I saw one doing that today when I took my daughter over to Milan.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on June 18, 2014, 10:24:51 PM
I've found a better weather predictor than Weather Bug or Weather.com.....

MCRC.  They only grade the dirt roads a day before a monsoon.  Haven't missed in 30 years, just like clockwork.

Graded yesterday, monsoon today.  I can set my weather clock on MCRC.

Aren't Monsoons key to making sure the Grade job lasts the full season Flip?

I swear I read that in the Penrod Manual someplace.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 18, 2014, 10:28:37 PM
Aren't Monsoons key to making sure the Grade job lasts the full season Flip?

I swear I read that in the Penrod Manual someplace.

I wish.  The monsoon softens the roadbed and potholes appear, cars turn pismuckle brown, brake rotors get milled and the brown soupy goo is everywhere.

Next car I get will start out pismuckle brown (wonder if I can order that color) so I won't look 'out of place' out here..........
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on June 18, 2014, 10:30:20 PM
I wish.  The monsoon softens the roadbed and potholes appear, cars turn pismuckle brown, brake rotors get milled and the brown soupy goo is everywhere.

Next car I get will start out pismuckle brown (wonder if I can order that color) so I won't look 'out of place' out here..........

Are you saying Penrod didn't know what he was doing when he wrote the manual that they still live and breath by?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 18, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
I'm saying that Pennrod was one in a series of idiots.

In retrospect, the 'Nerd' wants fiscal responsibility (or at least postulates about it).  He could save a gob of money (probably more than enough to fund the road rebuilding agenda and the Detroit bailout) by just aboloshing local road comissions across the state, privatizing all road repair jobs and allowing individual communities to have control over their roads instead of cow-toowing to road comissions and paying exhorbinant fees for substandard work.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on June 18, 2014, 10:44:46 PM
Privatize

Privatize

Privatize

Need I say more?

Capitalism works.  Go figure. 

Have a the county board figure out what the budget is.  Have a SMALL staff that proposes the priorities.  Have the County Board vote on those contracts.  Done.

Bing Bang Boom.

Same amount of money - you would be amazed how good the roads got.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 18, 2014, 10:53:03 PM
Never happen.  We live in the era of good old boy politics and the electorate has no idea of whats really best for them.  Just ask any professional politician.

Just don't ask Eric Cantor.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on June 18, 2014, 10:56:28 PM
Never happen.  We live in the era of good old boy politics and the electorate has no idea of whats really best for them.  Just ask any professional politician.

Just don't ask Eric Cantor.

Don't elect Professional Politicians.

It works.  Ask Eric Cantor.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 18, 2014, 10:58:51 PM
Don't elect Professional Politicians.

It works.  Ask Eric Cantor.

I'm afraid that was a fluke.  Inside I want it to be the norm but I seriously doubt it will be.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on June 18, 2014, 11:03:57 PM
I'm afraid that was a fluke.  Inside I want it to be the norm but I seriously doubt it will be.

So don't vote for Professional Politicians.

You know who they are.

You support one by the way.....

You know who I'm talking about.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 18, 2014, 11:06:52 PM
IMO, it's the lesser of 2 evils.  We know what the one evil is all about, we only know ther other made a mistake, not one mistake after another.....

Don't forget about July 8th, CMP.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on June 18, 2014, 11:14:02 PM
IMO, it's the lesser of 2 evils.  We know what the one evil is all about, we only know ther other made a mistake, not one mistake after another.....

Don't forget about July 8th, CMP.

Its like Dumb and Dumber.

Dumb has some good ideas but pissed you off once.  Dumb really isn't an R or a D if you look at his record.  He is kind of a moderate if you look at his track record.  He has pissed off both sides - that takes talent.

Dumber is a stone cold retard.  The only people that love that Idiot carry Union cards, or are willing to slit their own throats to spite themselves.

You my friend support the Retard.

I haven't forgotten, but my burger flipping job seriously sucks *** right now, but I think the clown can live without me a day and I'm going anyway.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 19, 2014, 10:40:30 AM
Why is it, when we get in the arena of politics, all the potential candidates suck?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on June 19, 2014, 10:48:12 AM
Intelligent people are smart enough to NOT run for office ???
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on June 19, 2014, 11:45:46 AM
......or had doinked a younger male or female in their early days (wait....well, never mind), or whizzed in a parking lot and got caught, or was an 18 yo boy doinking a 17 yo girl whose parent's got bent, or took a hit off a bowl/joint/bong in front of a busy body who wants to broadcast it 2 weeks prior to an election, or ever participated in a staged protest against the government while standing for right or wrong, or got a hummer in the White House (wait....never mind), uttered the word "revolt" to bring about change, or sneaked up behind a Pretty Boy politician in a sparsely crowded grocery store and messed his hair up, or tempted a group of locals to rebuild a ship cannon and offer a neighbor's GD wine bottle tree as a tryout target, or suggesting stapling salmon fillets on the back of a cat and see if an eagle grab it.

Oh well, I guess I could go on and on....bottom line, one has to have a squeaky clean background to even be elected as a township board member or county commissioner.  You know, the kind of people for the most part that really never went through what many out there did.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Maverick on June 19, 2014, 12:10:10 PM
There are some exceptions
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on June 19, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
I'm sure there is Mav......just had to do some broad scale generalization for the day.

I for one appreciate local government leaders......even though I may not agree 100% of the time with them. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on June 19, 2014, 12:45:30 PM
LOL  My wife wonders what I'm going to do with some old campaign signs sitting in my barn...   
I may paste a different position on them - someday... 

Until then I'm trying to stay away from the "free publicity" you garner when something from your past gets out   ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on June 19, 2014, 02:03:09 PM
....bottom line, one has to have a squeaky clean background to even be elected as a township board member or county commissioner.  You know, the kind of people for the most part that really never went through what many out there did.

You're exactly right, and there lies the problem.  I don't necessarily want a squeaky clean leader. I want one who knows how to win. Most successful leaders in business or politics, have stepped on a few toes in the past.

Speaking of the POTUS in particular, I want one who puts a little fear into other leaders, not another Jimmy Carter or Obama. Carter might be a nice guy, but not exactly a vicious street fighter who makes enemy leaders tremble.

I think I'd like to see Colin Powell run for President. But, he's too smart to fall for that.

 
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Post by: Monroe Native on June 19, 2014, 09:47:53 PM
Oh well, I guess I could go on and on....bottom line, one has to have a squeaky clean background to even be elected as a township board member or county commissioner.  You know, the kind of people for the most part that really never went through what many out there did.

 8*
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 19, 2014, 11:52:27 PM
You're exactly right, and there lies the problem.  I don't necessarily want a squeaky clean leader. I want one who knows how to win. Most successful leaders in business or politics, have stepped on a few toes in the past.

Speaking of the POTUS in particular, I want one who puts a little fear into other leaders, not another Jimmy Carter or Obama. Carter might be a nice guy, but not exactly a vicious street fighter who makes enemy leaders tremble.

I think I'd like to see Colin Powell run for President. But, he's too smart to fall for that.

Put me in for Alan Mullaly or Dave Bing.

A little dirt don't hurt and mistakes are only human.  Principled is learning from your mistakes and advancing onward.
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 19, 2014, 11:54:55 PM
Bottom line is, the intellegent, principled ones will never run because thry are all too smart to run the gauntlet of the viscious media and public scrunity.

It takes a second fiddle candidate to withstand the barrage.
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Post by: BigRedDog on June 25, 2014, 09:59:32 AM
They have been out in our area mowing the shoulders the last week or so!!!

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Post by: eriemermaid on June 25, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
Probably because there are no more potholes to fill!   :-\
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Post by: BigRedDog on June 25, 2014, 02:23:32 PM
Probably because there are no more potholes to fill!   :-\

What have you been drinking :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Post by: livewire on June 25, 2014, 02:28:57 PM
BRD, maybe Erie is in Barbados, or France, or the Bahamas or something. 

They probably have very few potholes there.  LOL
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Post by: eriemermaid on June 25, 2014, 05:14:24 PM
I guess I should have used a wink - y face!

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Post by: Monroe Native on June 25, 2014, 07:11:13 PM
Why don't some people get sarcasm?

 ;D
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Post by: Professor H on June 25, 2014, 08:22:55 PM
Isn't pothole season over?

They can fill em with sand right now - since they didn't use any on the roads this past winter  ;D
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Post by: Monroe Native on June 25, 2014, 08:33:53 PM
It used to be we had Pothole Season and Construction Season.

Our politicians streamlined the process.

Now we only have Pothole Season.
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Post by: blue2 on June 25, 2014, 09:20:44 PM
Made a trip on the eastern end of I275 today.  They sure have their troubles with that roadway.  I can remember them rebuilding it and then having to do it all over again a few years later.  Now they are tearing up half of it redoing large areas of concrete.  And it looks like they paved over the East bound side with asphalt.
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Post by: Monroe Native on June 25, 2014, 10:48:50 PM
They are just redoing the asphalt they put over the top of the concrete a few years ago.

Why Monroe County got asphalt - and Wayne and Oakland Counties got concrete I don't understand - but hey - that is what happened.

The concrete is is great shape.

We are going on our second go of asphalt - and I am sure by this time next year it will be **** again.
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 26, 2014, 01:21:33 AM
Probably the lowest bidder grade of asphalt..... aka: Old Castle's bottom of the tub asphalt.

Getting the Adrian Telegram and the Monroe News and comparing the Lenawee County Road Comission to the MCRC is laughable.  While I don't particularly like road comissions in the first place (a receptacle for tax payer funds to go to the 'good old boy fraternity', the Lenawee Road Commish is light years ahead of Monroe in service.  Just amazing.  Not 30 miles away and might as well be a different country.
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 26, 2014, 01:24:06 AM
Of course the LCRC has their own gravel pit and asphalt plant, something that MCRC cold have bought instead of 56 pieces of real estate..... ;D

Lenawee don't buy their asphalt, they make it to order.
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Post by: BigRedDog on June 26, 2014, 08:59:13 AM
Made a trip on the eastern end of I275 today.  They sure have their troubles with that roadway. I can remember them rebuilding it and then having to do it all over again a few years later.  Now they are tearing up half of it redoing large areas of concrete.  And it looks like they paved over the East bound side with asphalt.

Seems like that was something to do with continuous pour concrete...

it was an experiment and it DID NOT WORK :( :( :(
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 26, 2014, 09:02:06 AM
Any dummy knows you have to have expansion joints......
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Post by: BigRedDog on June 26, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
Any dummy knows you have to have expansion joints......

Yessiree...  you sure do.

They should have just looked at M-151 from 50 years ago...

expansion joints every 10 feet...

and over the years they expanded...

and expanded...

and expanded!!!

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Post by: Professor H on June 26, 2014, 09:13:09 AM
I think all our roads are experiments...   
but several that continuously fail... come to mind
 
I recall concrete not working at Noble by Telegraph,
and we all have enjoyed the crack bumps of "151"/Samaria road  ;D
about the right movement for going 50 (when you used to be able to on that road)
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/209/8/8/chrstinde_boob_bounce__gif__by_ledieuiciss-d6fktp5.gif)
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 26, 2014, 09:14:54 AM
Yessiree...  you sure do.

They should have just looked at M-151 from 50 years ago...

expansion joints every 10 feet...

and over the years they expanded...

and expanded...

and expanded!!!

I'm curious, is 151 going to be concrete (again) or asphalt which will last maybe 3 years, maybe????

Jointed concrete (Samaria Road) is a testament to quality roadbuilding.  That road is (I believe) the oldest stretch of road (surviving mostly intact)(with a 163K load limit on most of it, year around), in the county, if not the state.

Asphalt (Bitumen binder and gravel) don't work on out substrata, well, it works for a short duration, then needs redone....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 26, 2014, 09:17:08 AM
I think all our roads are experiments...   
but several that continuously fail... come to mind
 
I recall concrete not working at Noble by Telegraph,
and we all have enjoyed the crack bumps of "151"/Samaria road  ;D
about the right movement for going 50 (when you used to be able to on that road)
([url]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/209/8/8/chrstinde_boob_bounce__gif__by_ledieuiciss-d6fktp5.gif[/url])



.....over the shoulder boulder holder.............
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on June 26, 2014, 09:38:52 AM
I think all our roads are experiments...   
but several that continuously fail... come to mind
 
I recall concrete not working at Noble by Telegraph,
and we all have enjoyed the crack bumps of "151"/Samaria road  ;D
about the right movement for going 50 (when you used to be able to on that road)
([url]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/209/8/8/chrstinde_boob_bounce__gif__by_ledieuiciss-d6fktp5.gif[/url])


That's darn close to the M-151 cadence...

I've observed (I guess if I said 'enjoyed' I'd get branded as some kind of perv) that exact 'bounce' while chaperoning a few school field trips...

it's interesting how a school bus tends to magnify all that motion :o :o :o
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 26, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
.......especially with worn out shocks on the rear axle.  I'm a pervert and would immensely enjoy the show, particularly the seats behind the rear axle............ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: BigRedDog on June 27, 2014, 08:49:57 AM
I had to go to AgParts on Lewis Ave between Ida and Temperance yesterday...

they have Lewis Ave 'ground down smooth'...  it's way smoother that what it's been for years in the stretches they're working on.  I think this will have it resurfaced as far south as Morocco road and that should only leave the stretch from Morocco to M-151 to finish up.

I'd heard they were supposed to start on M-151 this week but they must have started on the far west end of it because I don't see anything going on yet from Cemetery east to Telegraph.
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 27, 2014, 09:10:41 AM
Called milling.  The workers 'mill' around while the machine does the work....

Samaria at the far east end....

Just be careful using Rauch Road.  They are running speed traps constantly....  45 means 45, no exceptions.
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Post by: blue2 on June 27, 2014, 09:13:45 AM
Haven't been on Rauch for months.  Where could you drive over 45?
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 27, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
Haven't been on Rauch for months.  Where could you drive over 45?

From 24 to just past Secor, it's smooth as a baby's posterior....  Quite a change from the bombed out roadway of years past....  Thats my go home from and get to work route.
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Post by: Professor H on June 27, 2014, 06:22:40 PM
From 24 to just past Secor, it's smooth as a baby's posterior....  Quite a change from the bombed out roadway of years past....  Thats my go home from and get to work route.
I always feel funny making that turn because it's been so long you "could"... 

Hopefully it was built to last more than 2 years!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 27, 2014, 06:36:17 PM
2 years ago you drove on the shoulder and peoples front lawns because it was smoother than the road..  Not now.

I'm sure the Sherrif will be on Rauch looking for speeders regularly with 151 getting redone.

I see them sitting about halfway betweem Lewis and 24 on the north side in a farm lane about every day and night, I've seen them at 10 pm in the evening too.  I go 45, no more.  I suspect it's zero tolerance.
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Post by: Professor H on June 27, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
2 years ago you drove on the shoulder and peoples front lawns because it was smoother than the road..  Not now.

My wife still laughs about 4 years ago - we had a party to attend and when I turned on Rauch - I was going so slow that some walkers passed me... 
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 28, 2014, 08:58:28 PM
I see they are cheaping on on 151 with asphalt.  I bet it lasts maybe 2 years at best.
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Post by: SidecarFlip on June 28, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
My wife still laughs about 4 years ago - we had a party to attend and when I turned on Rauch - I was going so slow that some walkers passed me...

My trips to Albrings was very slow as well and that road is no better now.
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Post by: blue2 on July 13, 2014, 10:04:19 AM
I see the MCRC is mowing the berms this year.  Use to be they would clear the weeds, brush and trees growing in the ditch on both sides and up to the berm.  Each year they clear less and less.  I see on most roads in Bedford they don't touch any of the weeks and brush in the ditches and mow maybe a couple of feet beyond the berm. 
It makes it pretty difficult to see down the road when trying to pull out.
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Post by: Professor H on July 13, 2014, 11:51:02 AM
I think the mowing of the rural roads is the responsibility of the Townships...   
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Post by: SidecarFlip on July 13, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
I think the mowing of the rural roads is the responsibility of the Townships...   

Yes, it is.
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Post by: Professor H on July 13, 2014, 10:24:15 PM
I'm wondering if they had a warranty on Telegraph rumble strips - south of Town...    the center is starting to open up and will soon be one large pothole like you found on 151.
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Post by: Maverick on July 14, 2014, 12:10:59 AM
I always thought those rumble strips were ridiculous. Pave a new road and purposefully grind holes into it where water can immediately seep in and ruin the road. I know there is an argument for having them but couldn't they accomplish it without opening a direct path for freeze and thaw ?

Grind them in and maybe immediately spray a sealant where the surface has been compromised.
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Post by: Monroe Native on July 14, 2014, 07:04:00 AM
I always thought those rumble strips were ridiculous. Pave a new road and purposefully grind holes into it where water can immediately seep in and ruin the road. I know there is an argument for having them but couldn't they accomplish it without opening a direct path for freeze and thaw ?

Grind them in and maybe immediately spray a sealant where the surface has been compromised.

+1.

Dumbest move ever.

Well - maybe not the dumbest - but it is up there.
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Post by: SidecarFlip on July 14, 2014, 08:12:12 AM
The 'zipper strip' is a FMVSS requirement along side the travelled lanes on the paved berm.  Not a local requirement.  It's to alert unattentive drivers that they are about to enter the 'Twilight Zone', aka:  Tow truck zone. ;D

Some 'Joe College' engineer dream't that up.  No insult MN...... ;D
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Post by: Professor H on July 14, 2014, 11:23:30 AM
The 'zipper strip' is a FMVSS requirement along side the travelled lanes on the paved berm.  Not a local requirement.  It's to alert unattentive drivers that they are about to enter the 'Twilight Zone', aka:  Tow truck zone. ;D

Some 'Joe College' engineer dream't that up.  No insult MN...... ;D
and can be accomplished by raised rumble strips - not ruining the road!

too much common sense involved - and it may have been more labor intensive - but heck the road construction folks love em!
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Post by: blue2 on July 14, 2014, 12:26:46 PM
Rumble strips remind me of many trips with a friend.  No more than get asleep in the back seat and he wanders to the side and wakes me up.
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Post by: SidecarFlip on July 14, 2014, 08:32:28 PM
and can be accomplished by raised rumble strips - not ruining the road!

too much common sense involved - and it may have been more labor intensive - but heck the road construction folks love em!

Think how much money the company makes that makes the machine or how much money the company makes that sells the center reflective patches that have to be epoxied into a cutout in the center of the road and then, in the winter, snowplows tee them off.

The problem with a raised strip is that in inclement weather they could cause loss of control and they can't be plowed over either.

30 years ago we all got along fine without any added alertness...
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Post by: Maverick on July 15, 2014, 12:18:11 AM
It was called natural selection. If you were so drunk or stupid that you crossed lanes or drove off the road you were eliminated from the gene pool.
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Post by: Professor H on July 15, 2014, 09:43:19 AM
The raised reflector strips are tapered so they shouldn't be sheared off, since the plows rarely go down to the pavement <sarcasm>

I'm sure the low bid/cheapest way out is what we got, so we are going to have to live with a divided highway (unintentionally) along the center line of Telegraph...   maybe they can plant trees or flowers in it by next year...

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Post by: blue2 on August 25, 2014, 10:56:43 AM
I read in the Bedford Now today that if the Bedford Township board approves an assessment  against property owners to fix the roads they don't have to involve the MCRC. 
The MCRC only has to review the plans and Bedford does not have to pay them the usual 10%.
Now that's the way to go.
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Post by: SidecarFlip on August 25, 2014, 01:31:45 PM
It has to be done to their specifications.  Problem is, no one knows what those are but them.  I think they keep those in a locked room at the HQ on Telegraph, blinds drawn and dust everywhere....

Additionally, I believe there are 2 specifications.  Theirs for the own work and another for everyone else.
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Post by: Monroe Native on August 25, 2014, 11:12:51 PM
It has to be done to their specifications.  Problem is, no one knows what those are but them.  I think they keep those in a locked room at the HQ on Telegraph, blinds drawn and dust everywhere....

Additionally, I believe there are 2 specifications.  Theirs for the own work and another for everyone else.

Why not just build to State Specs?

What is the mystery?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on November 17, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
More ineptness from the MCRC?
Why is this acceptable?
Reading in the Blade today in an article about Bedford rejoining the TMACOG because they have had some success in the past being part of the organization.
But the success is unknown.
The article states trustee Larry O'Dell, a road committee member recalled that TMACOG provided $375,000 for Bedford roads thru the MCRC and says "we couldn't figure out from the road commission records what was done with the money.
Why aren't leaders in Bedford more concerned what happens to funds given to them for designated purposes?  This is not chump change.
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Post by: Professor H on November 17, 2014, 09:34:40 AM
Quote
"we couldn't figure out from the road commission records what was done with the money.

and yet they do nothing about it at any level of government  8*

Hey what's a few hundred thousand anyway,

slush fund
conference in Tahiti
or what they seem to like to do

Buy land - so they can take a loss on it when they sell it
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Post by: BigRedDog on November 17, 2014, 01:14:42 PM
More ineptness from the MCRC?
Why is this acceptable?
Reading in the Blade today in an article about Bedford rejoining the TMACOG because they have had some success in the past being part of the organization.
But the success is unknown.
The article states trustee Larry O'Dell, a road committee member recalled that TMACOG provided $375,000 for Bedford roads thru the MCRC and says "we couldn't figure out from the road commission records what was done with the money.
Why aren't leaders in Bedford more concerned what happens to funds given to them for designated purposes?  This is not chump change.

There was an article in the MonroeNews in the last few days about the Bedford board rejoining the TMACOG...   not mention though of TMACOG ever having 'given' Bedfod that kind of funding...   I was not even aware that TMACOG was in the business of giving away money to members.  Maybe I better consider joining... my driveway needs some repairs ;D ;D ;D

Reading your post I tend to think this is more an issue with the local board not paying attention to where the money is going...   the way they all like to host a big dog and pony show every time a Gradall shows up to put in a new culvert I'm guessing the $375K went for punch and cookies (coffee and donuts if it was a morning show)...   and usually there's a 6'x10' sign (at both ends of the project) pointing out our tax dollars at work...   too bad it happens so infrequently anymore that they have to point it out to the public ;) ;) ;)

I don't doubt the MCRC may not keep the records necessarily in the format that Bedford would find 'easy' to read but I'm sure the money is there (and accounted for) somewhere!!!
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Post by: BigRedDog on November 17, 2014, 01:36:46 PM
I've seen a plow truck go by once in each direction today...  not plowing either time as the pavement was too warm to let the snow stick!    I'm hoping they were probably putting salt down at intersections and bridges, overpasses, etc.    I'm afraid they were out just going from the coffee shop to the donut shop though ;) ;) ;)
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Post by: blue2 on November 17, 2014, 02:34:04 PM
BRD,,O'Dell says money was given to MCRC from TMACOG.
We all know you have to go thru MCRC to get anything done with roads
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 17, 2014, 08:44:28 PM
Going into work this morning, every intersection was an ice skating rink.  Got to Toledo, roads dry.  Typical.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 18, 2014, 08:17:57 AM
Article in the paper last night talking about all the preparation (somehow I keep thinking of a certain product with that word in it's name) the MCRC has done to get ready for the winter storm season!  They've even purchased several new trucks to wear out plowing the interstates :( :( :(

There is an entire paragraph in the article about the MCRC using brine to treat the roads.  I find the very last sentence 'interesting'...

Quote
“It works all around us,” he said. “ Lucas County uses it. ODOT ( the Ohio Department of Transportation) uses it.”


Yes, it does work all around us...   and has been working all around us for years...   actually, I know for an absolute fact that it's been working north of here in Midland County for at least 5 decades (that's 50+ years).  The road commission in Midland County was using brine on the roads (winter and summer) when I was a teen and first starting to drive (on the roads)! 

What our road commission needs to do is hire a 'consultant' for a few weeks...  hire one of the now retired plow operators from Midland County area and let them teach how to do it!!!

Article at:
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/nov/18/monroe-county-road-commission-gears-winter/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2014/nov/18/monroe-county-road-commission-gears-winter/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
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Post by: Monroe Native on November 18, 2014, 08:27:44 AM
That would still require someone to do something besides put out advisories, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on November 18, 2014, 09:05:54 AM
The agency bought five new trucks. They are not quite ready, but Mr. Pierce said he hopes to have them soon.

To quote a song from The Smiths (circa 1984) "How Soon is Now"?  Is it just me, or shouldn't such trucks be ready and in service now?  Perhaps since it IS ALREADY SNOWING?

"Mr. Pierce hopes to have them soon".  I try to be positive, and I try to be supportive. My charm and people skills are simply put to the test in cases like this.

Perhaps it is with too much reason and unfathomable logic that any and all such major equipment purchases would be in service at the start of the Winter season.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 18, 2014, 09:26:24 AM
The agency bought five new trucks. They are not quite ready, but Mr. Pierce said he hopes to have them soon.

To quote a song from The Smiths (circa 1984) "How Soon is Now"?  Is it just me, or shouldn't such trucks be ready and in service now?  Perhaps since it IS ALREADY SNOWING?

"Mr. Pierce hopes to have them soon".  I try to be positive, and I try to be supportive. My charm and people skills are simply put to the test in cases like this.

Perhaps it is with too much reason and unfathomable logic that any and all such major equipment purchases would be in service at the start of the Winter season.


Hopefully the dealer the MCRC purchased the new trucks from will be giving out 'tokens' of their appreciation to the staff at headquarters...

My suggestion...   a couple of boxes of Tim Horton's best donuts and a case of these:

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Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on November 18, 2014, 09:34:07 AM
They probably were still mowing... 
doing inventory on all their "land"...

and the weather caught them off guard - after all it's only Snovember  ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 18, 2014, 09:53:40 AM
They probably were still mowing... 
doing inventory on all their "land"...

and the weather caught them off guard - after all it's only Snovember  ;D

I will say I haven't seen any of their mowers stored out along the side of the road like they had last winter...   but maybe I just haven't been in the right place either :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 18, 2014, 09:22:06 PM
The agency bought five new trucks. They are not quite ready, but Mr. Pierce said he hopes to have them soon.

To quote a song from The Smiths (circa 1984) "How Soon is Now"?  Is it just me, or shouldn't such trucks be ready and in service now?  Perhaps since it IS ALREADY SNOWING?

"Mr. Pierce hopes to have them soon".  I try to be positive, and I try to be supportive. My charm and people skills are simply put to the test in cases like this.

Perhaps it is with too much reason and unfathomable logic that any and all such major equipment purchases would be in service at the start of the Winter season.

Well, the bright spot is they bought all 5 from us..... ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on November 18, 2014, 09:35:35 PM
They probably were still mowing... 
doing inventory on all their "land"...

and the weather caught them off guard - after all it's only Snovember  ;D

They were still trying to figure out where all the tractor were abandoned the last couple of years.

They thought the GPS tracking already worked when they abandoned them and headed to the bar.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 19, 2014, 05:51:51 AM
Well, the bright spot is they bought all 5 from us..... ;D


Well then, you can pass along my suggestion from above:

Hopefully the dealer the MCRC purchased the new trucks from will be giving out 'tokens' of their appreciation to the staff at headquarters...

My suggestion...   a couple of boxes of Tim Horton's best donuts and a case of these:

([url]http://rlv.zcache.com/prior_planning_prevents_poor_performance_mug-rf2a4522349f2415c964382374c5885ab_x7jsd_8byvr_512.jpg[/url])
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on November 19, 2014, 08:31:00 AM
When the MCRC adopts the mug and it's slogan as the "MCRC P6" Quality Mantra, I hope they credit you, or at least give you something for your suggestion, BRD.  Perhaps a certificate for a "Free Chip and Gravel" of your road.

That does make me think what the MCRC could do for residents as a goodwill gesture and to generate positive public relations....

~ If you're not happy with the way our plows sawed your Mailbox off, we'll knock the new one over for Free as well!

~ Sell 1 pound bags of asphalt mix in bags decorated with Elementary School designs....market road improvements to the children in county schools by selling "My First Cold Patch Kits".

~Hire the Dr. Seuss literary Team to help with spinning a positive attitude. For example, a new pamphlet listing all the MCRC accolades titled "Rhymes with Truck". Or maybe "Penrod hears a pissed-off County Commissioners Board".

...just thinking...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 19, 2014, 04:40:38 PM
Found out today they have 6 more on order.  Not to worry though, you and aren't paying for them directly.  It's Federal grant money thats paying for the trucks.....
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on November 19, 2014, 07:09:24 PM
Found out today they have 6 more on order.  Not to worry though, you and aren't paying for them directly.  It's Federal grant money thats paying for the trucks.....

Monopoly money.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 19, 2014, 10:04:49 PM
All the bells and whistles including DEF.  The new engines are problematic and they won't have a clue so we'll fix them (at a price of course) too.  Called 'service after the sale'......  Tier 4 final engines are junk.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on November 20, 2014, 07:30:49 AM
All the bells and whistles including DEF.  The new engines are problematic and they won't have a clue so we'll fix them (at a price of course) too.  Called 'service after the sale'......  Tier 4 final engines are junk.

You don't like tree hugger diesel engines?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 20, 2014, 07:58:07 AM
You don't like tree hugger diesel engines?

From a 'recurring cost to repair' standpoint, they are 'sliced bread'.  Keeps techinicians working, parts flowing and Obozo's 'green army' happy.

From an end users standpoint, they flat suck, especially in sub freezing weather.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 21, 2014, 10:32:13 AM
I've seen two MCRC trucks go by this morning...

OR

I've seen a MCRC truck go by twice already this morning...    it was going the same way both times so I'm thinking it was two different trucks.

They were going slow so I know they weren't on their way for coffee or donuts...   more like they were looking for Snyder holes to patch...   but I didn't see any asphalt on the truck...   looked like a salt spreader mounted so the only thing I can figure is they're either checking the ditches for damaged culverts or they're looking for those missing mower tractors that disappeared last winter ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on November 21, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
All the bells and whistles including DEF.  The new engines are problematic and they won't have a clue so we'll fix them (at a price of course) too.  Called 'service after the sale'......  Tier 4 final engines are junk.

Did they get the GPS option?  ;D

Found out today they have 6 more on order.  Not to worry though, you and aren't paying for them directly.  It's Federal grant money thats paying for the trucks.....

To ensure they keep doing the Interstates...   

Can anyone say long term commitment 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 22, 2014, 09:15:49 AM
I ended up seeing two more of their trucks go by yesterday while it was sunny and bright...  total of four unless I missed some...

today with all the ice...   not a single one >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 22, 2014, 10:14:46 AM
Did they get the GPS option?   ;D

To ensure they keep doing the Interstates...   

Can anyone say long term commitment

They don't come from the factory, thats aftermarket stuff and we don't install that.  We are finding that with auxillary electronics and total electronic engine management, the electronics 'fight each other.  Too much data and not enough capacity.
Title: Where are those MCRC GPS trackers I bought and paid for?
Post by: BigRedDog on January 20, 2015, 09:03:24 AM
Does anyone out there actually know what's going on with those GPS tracking units the MCRC bought (with 'our' tax dollars) a couple of years ago? 

Are they ever going to put them on and use them?

Are they going to return them and get MY money back?

Where are they now?

I keep seeing all these news articles where the units are being installed and used in various municipalities across the country!!!

http://www.nbc24.com/weather/story.aspx?id=1151264#.VL5SBUfF_h5 (http://www.nbc24.com/weather/story.aspx?id=1151264#.VL5SBUfF_h5)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 20, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
Why do they need them?  All the trucks can be found on the state highways.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 20, 2015, 09:37:10 AM
Why do they need them? All the trucks can be found on the state highways.

Then let's sell them before they completely depreciate?

I'm starting to wonder if they even still exist...

has anyone with any actual 'authority' physically inventoried them recently?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 20, 2015, 12:33:52 PM
Sounds like you should have put your name on the list for MCRC commissioner BRD.

You are asking all the right questions.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 20, 2015, 02:21:05 PM
Sounds like you should have put your name on the list for MCRC commissioner BRD.

You are asking all the right questions.

It's a $90,000 (I'm just shooting a round figure from my fuzzy memory...   anyway it was a 'lot of taxpayer money'!) question I'd think each and every tax payer in Monroe County should be asking!!!

As far as getting into that aspect of politics...

I have no desire in the world to do that...

I'm way more into 'what is right' than 'WHO is right' ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Where are those MCRC GPS trackers I bought and paid for?
Post by: BigRedDog on January 25, 2015, 11:26:22 AM
Does anyone out there actually know what's going on with those GPS tracking units the MCRC bought (with 'our' tax dollars) a couple of years ago? 

Are they ever going to put them on and use them?

Are they going to return them and get MY money back?

Where are they now?

I keep seeing all these news articles where the units are being installed and used in various municipalities across the country!!!

[url]http://www.nbc24.com/weather/story.aspx?id=1151264#.VL5SBUfF_h5[/url] ([url]http://www.nbc24.com/weather/story.aspx?id=1151264#.VL5SBUfF_h5[/url])


Front page article on the MonroeNews this morning...  hopefully they'll post it on the website to link to here later!!!

Interview with the three new members 'appointed' to the MCRC and one of the discussion questions is what do you think about using the GPS tracking systems?

Hopefully we'll get some answers as to where our 'investment' stands after all these months!

My wife hasn't brought the paper home yet so all I've read is what is visible on the online view of the front page!!!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 25, 2015, 11:39:48 AM
I was talking with a plow operator Thursday.  I should have ask him. Next week if I think of it
Title: Re: Where are those MCRC GPS trackers I bought and paid for?
Post by: nails on January 25, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
Does anyone out there actually know what's going on with those GPS tracking units the MCRC bought (with 'our' tax dollars) a couple of years ago? 

Are they ever going to put them on and use them?

Are they going to return them and get MY money back?

Where are they now?

I keep seeing all these news articles where the units are being installed and used in various municipalities across the country!!!

[url]http://www.nbc24.com/weather/story.aspx?id=1151264#.VL5SBUfF_h5[/url] ([url]http://www.nbc24.com/weather/story.aspx?id=1151264#.VL5SBUfF_h5[/url])


Rather than asking among the 8-10 people who respond in this forum,
we should be asking these questions at one of the MCRC regular meetings.
Maybe then we can get one of the commissioners to answer.
Or... a public letter to the editor in the MN.

Sometimes the only way to get an answer is to put someone on the spot.



Title: Re: Where are those MCRC GPS trackers I bought and paid for?
Post by: BigRedDog on January 25, 2015, 01:29:50 PM
Rather than asking among the 8-10 people who respond in this forum,
we should be asking these questions at one of the MCRC regular meetings.
Maybe then we can get one of the commissioners to answer.
Or... a public letter to the editor in the MN.

Sometimes the only way to get an answer is to put someone on the spot.

There are very few 'investigative journalists' who are willing to put the time and effort into digging into these issues...

much easier to just take the interviews the 'local officials' spoon feed them and write a story...

see Charlie Slat's interview with the Monroe Chief of Police in yesterday's paper...  still hoping they'll put it online so we can post a link here!!!

I've watched some of the comments posted here on MT quickly turn into articles in the MonroeNews over the years...

and I've watched some go absolutely nowhere...

the many discussions on the 'increase' in heroin use in the area...

go talk to Charlie Slat and the police chief and all you'll get is 'don't worry...  be happy'!!!

When the concept of MT was first started (the previous forum was 'Eyes and Ears') the idea was to get a 'pulse' on what the public thought about 'current events' in the area.

I know that in those years with the increased use of Facebook has changed the impact that MT may have but I still think many of the MonroeNews staff are reading what is going on right here!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Mayonnaise on January 25, 2015, 01:44:28 PM
There are very few 'investigative journalists' who are willing to put the time and effort into digging into these issues...
Where's Fletch at when you need him? ;) ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on January 25, 2015, 02:37:29 PM

I didn't mean to ask the MN to do an article.
I meant a "letter to the Editor" to be published in the paper, which would put the question out in the public. Hopefully that would either get a response from the MCRC, or get other citizens to begin asking questions.

My main problem with MT is it is such a small group.
If we really want answers, we need to stir a larger pot.

 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 25, 2015, 06:13:56 PM
I didn't mean to ask the MN to do an article.
I meant a "letter to the Editor" to be published in the paper, which would put the question out in the public. Hopefully that would either get a response from the MCRC, or get other citizens to begin asking questions.

My main problem with MT is it is such a small group.
If we really want answers, we need to stir a larger pot.

 
Letter to the Editors work best if you time it for a weekend edition... 
you can do them online even

I've written a few over the years - and was close to sending one about the heroin mom not going to jail... 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 25, 2015, 07:08:36 PM
I didn't mean to ask the MN to do an article.
I meant a "letter to the Editor" to be published in the paper, which would put the question out in the public. Hopefully that would either get a response from the MCRC, or get other citizens to begin asking questions.

My main problem with MT is it is such a small group.
If we really want answers, we need to stir a larger pot.

You are absolute correct about MT being a small group as far as the actual ongoing discussions go...

but I believe you are under estimating 'guest' readership...

not only the numbers of readers but also 'who they are'!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 25, 2015, 07:23:19 PM
I think you guys are also overestimating how many people still receive and read the Monroe Evening News.

Less and Less every single day.

Its not what it used to be.

Show me a newspaper that is.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on January 26, 2015, 08:55:49 AM
You are absolute correct about MT being a small group as far as the actual ongoing discussions go...

but I believe you are under estimating 'guest' readership...

not only the numbers of readers but also 'who they are'!

Point well taken.
 
I still say the best place to get answers about the MCRC,
is to go to the meetings and ask the questions directly.

As far as MN readership numbers, if they only have 2000 subscribers,
and only 25% read the letters to editor page, that is still 500 people.
And that must be more individuals than read MT forums.

Plus . . . I'm guessing that most subscribers today are probably of "Boomer "age instead of "Gen X,Y, or Z.
And that age group will be more likely to read the letters published.



OK... rant over.




Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 26, 2015, 11:09:20 AM
Will be looking for that Letter to Editor then...   

You can actually copy it here - and get more bang for your effort!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: nails on January 26, 2015, 12:24:28 PM

I've done several "Letters to the Editor" in the past.
And I've gone to several MCRC meetings to ask questions.
And yes, I got answers in most cases. Not always the answers I was looking for, but . . .

Right now, I don't have any burning questions that I need answers to.

Title: Re: Where are those MCRC GPS trackers I bought and paid for?
Post by: BigRedDog on January 27, 2015, 06:37:23 AM
Front page article on the MonroeNews this morning...  hopefully they'll post it on the website to link to here later!!!

Interview with the three new members 'appointed' to the MCRC and one of the discussion questions is what do you think about using the GPS tracking systems?

Hopefully we'll get some answers as to where our 'investment' stands after all these months!

My wife hasn't brought the paper home yet so all I've read is what is visible on the online view of the front page!!!


And here is the article...

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/27/monroe-county-road-commission-winter-travel-monroe/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/27/monroe-county-road-commission-winter-travel-monroe/)

Iacoangeli and Londo were both 'in favor' of using the GPS tracking but Minton feels he needs to study the issue some more :-\ :-\ :-\

Title: Re: Where are those MCRC GPS trackers I bought and paid for?
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 27, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
And here is the article...

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/27/monroe-county-road-commission-winter-travel-monroe/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/27/monroe-county-road-commission-winter-travel-monroe/[/url])

Iacoangeli and Londo were both 'in favor' of using the GPS tracking but Minton feels he needs to study the issue some more :-\ :-\ :-\


Minton's photographic stance in the picture in the paper...he appears to be a pompus arsehole..
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 28, 2015, 08:37:20 AM
I'll have to go back and check...

I think this is the 'third' part of the interview with the three new road commissioners!

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/28/monroe-county-road-commission-new-road-commissione/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/28/monroe-county-road-commission-new-road-commissione/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Where are those MCRC GPS trackers I bought and paid for?
Post by: Monroe Native on January 28, 2015, 08:52:56 AM
Minton's photographic stance in the picture in the paper...he appears to be a pompus arsehole..

Perfect for the MCRC then!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 28, 2015, 08:53:16 AM
Looks like it is just the 2nd part so we're keeping up!

This part of the interview is about dealing with the public's 'perception' of the past and present MCRC.

I wondered which one of them would throw out the 'stock' answer:

Quote
“I know this from my experience working in the field in less than ideal conditions. A citizen can get the wrong impression because they happened by at the wrong time. So in reality, all of us at the road commission have the ability to take steps to change some of those perceptions.”

Read more at: [url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/28/monroe-county-road-commission-new-road-commissione/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/28/monroe-county-road-commission-new-road-commissione/[/url])


For the record...  that is the answer of Mr. Iacoangeli and I totally agree with him if something happens 'one time' and a few citizens see it...

but the major issues I have down at the MCRC have been 'observed' by dozens or hundred or even thousands of us stupid citizens...  you know... us 'tax payers'!!! 

And I don't have to observe anyone at their job to see the worst problems.  I just have to go out and drive at a reasonable speed on most of the roads in Monroe County and observe their general overall condition >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on January 28, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
An answer I got from a MCRC guy a year ago about getting rid of the state contract and just plow county roads was "we would have to get rid of some guys"
And the state buys a lot of equp for us.
He wasn't open to any discussion and walked away.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 28, 2015, 10:11:15 AM
"Because we've always done it that way"... 

seems to be the class I missed in Management
in fact some of the worst managers are in systems that have that ingrained into them -
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 28, 2015, 10:15:11 AM
An answer I got from a MCRC guy a year ago about getting rid of the state contract and just plow county roads was "we would have to get rid of some guys"
And the state buys a lot of equp for us.
He wasn't open to any discussion and walked away.

And the MCRC wears that same equipment out on those same state roads under that same state contract...

Yes, I'm sure they'd have to get rid of some guys... 

but a 'leaner and meaner' staff with less equipment but using it 100% on Monroe County roads would be a benefit to the Monroe County taxpayers in my opinion!

It's been interesting watching what's going on in Toledo and Lucas County the last couple of weeks...

During the big 'lull' in winter storms they've been busy out patching potholes.  They've been closing lanes on the freeways and doing some major patches. 

I've read more than once that our fine 'full time' Legislators decided to put the proposed sales tax increase on the ballot in May because that is the time of year the roads are the worst!!!

So, maybe no one wants to be patching any potholes this time of year so the local roads will be in the worst possible shape on 'election day' :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 28, 2015, 10:17:57 AM
"Because we've always done it that way"... 

seems to be the class I missed in Management
in fact some of the worst managers are in systems that have that ingrained into them -

"We've gotten along without those damned GPS transmitters for 75 years...

no reason to install them now (even thought they were purchased and paid for a couple of years ago!!!

When they do get around to installing them what will be up with any warranty ??? ??? ???

And what happens when the installation crew says 'they're too old' for us to know how to install them :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 28, 2015, 11:53:04 AM
I'm guessing a Jamaican Trip will be the price for the "upgraded software"... 
and we all know the technology curve - so if they aren't used soon - there will be something else they can buy and sit on.

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 28, 2015, 08:31:41 PM
I am pretty sure they could just use paper maps to get the job done.

They give them out for free at the MCRC lobby, don't they?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: RPTR DRVR on January 28, 2015, 11:12:46 PM
Hello BigRedDog....been awhile since we chatted. Hello Professor....LiveWire. Finally spent the time getting my password reset. BTW, the hangar meet was a start....ought to have a few more! What would you like to know about the GPS system that the MCRC purchased the Fall season of 2012? Some of the details you already know. Yep...you're close on the amount. 80 thousand plus. 84K sticks in my head. All the vehicles, pick-ups, trucks, graders, loaders, mowing tractors....were equipped. Not sure if that included installation but I think so. Costs of yearly use fees I was told, amounted to nearly 22-24K. One of the reasons our Managing Director gave in support of this system was the supposedly ability to be able to have sensors on salt spreaders to know they are on spreading salt, when the blades are down, when and what roads were plowed, schools would be able to see if their roads were touched, call a truck that might be close by to take care of a particular slick spot...etc. Well...the system evidently was scrapped after about a year and a couple 3 months. The commissioners were never told of this until I asked in a scheduled meeting why I couldn't access the website anymore. Reasons being the MD said...the sensors on the spreaders and blades were not able to indicate that they were working. That the system was misrepresented upon its presentation for consideration to purchase. MD also replied that MCRC was talking with Verizon about putting on their GPS system on 5 trucks, and with sensors to indicate what spreaders and blades were doing. Last word before my departure after two years of being there, was that the jury was still out. Not sure if Verizon has even equipped the trucks yet. I'm not 100% sure, but I was told the Verizon system costs nothing for the equipment but a monthly fee amounting to nearly 12-14K a year. There again, I dont know how many vehicles, equipment, tractors this would equip. So basically....YOU are right. 80 some thousand dollars wasted. Another 20-30 thousand in user fees paid. This is only my take on the GPS system that was and is now as I was told. Next Topic? Lets talk about what I saw and interpreted while accessing the Fleetmatics GPS System Site a few times that indicated what the trucks and equip were doing and accomplishing....it was revealing! Then lets chat about the 'State Contract'. The illustrious 'MI Deal' purchasing program. The 'Night Shift'. The 'Dundee Yard Property' sale. What wages and compensation cost in 2004. What it costs in 2012. And whatever else that you might be inquistitive about.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 29, 2015, 06:47:58 AM
I'll have to go back and check...

I think this is the 'third' part of the interview with the three new road commissioners!

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/28/monroe-county-road-commission-new-road-commissione/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/28/monroe-county-road-commission-new-road-commissione/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter[/url])


This morning the MonroeNews has posted the 'third' part of their article:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/29/monroe-county-road-commission-new-road-commissione/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/29/monroe-county-road-commission-new-road-commissione/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on January 29, 2015, 06:50:00 AM
So what does the night shift do?

They apparently don't plow - because Telegraph and 275 are never touched when I go to work.

I assume if the GPS worked it would show the trucks parked in some location stationary.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 29, 2015, 07:29:32 AM
Hello BigRedDog....been awhile since we chatted. Hello Professor....LiveWire. Finally spent the time getting my password reset. BTW, the hangar meet was a start....ought to have a few more! What would you like to know about the GPS system that the MCRC purchased the Fall season of 2012? Some of the details you already know. Yep...you're close on the amount. 80 thousand plus. 84K sticks in my head. All the vehicles, pick-ups, trucks, graders, loaders, mowing tractors....were equipped. Not sure if that included installation but I think so. Costs of yearly use fees I was told, amounted to nearly 22-24K. One of the reasons our Managing Director gave in support of this system was the supposedly ability to be able to have sensors on salt spreaders to know they are on spreading salt, when the blades are down, when and what roads were plowed, schools would be able to see if their roads were touched, call a truck that might be close by to take care of a particular slick spot...etc. Well...the system evidently was scrapped after about a year and a couple 3 months. The commissioners were never told of this until I asked in a scheduled meeting why I couldn't access the website anymore. Reasons being the MD said...the sensors on the spreaders and blades were not able to indicate that they were working. That the system was misrepresented upon its presentation for consideration to purchase. MD also replied that MCRC was talking with Verizon about putting on their GPS system on 5 trucks, and with sensors to indicate what spreaders and blades were doing. Last word before my departure after two years of being there, was that the jury was still out. Not sure if Verizon has even equipped the trucks yet. I'm not 100% sure, but I was told the Verizon system costs nothing for the equipment but a monthly fee amounting to nearly 12-14K a year. There again, I dont know how many vehicles, equipment, tractors this would equip. So basically....YOU are right. 80 some thousand dollars wasted. Another 20-30 thousand in user fees paid. This is only my take on the GPS system that was and is now as I was told. Next Topic? Lets talk about what I saw and interpreted while accessing the Fleetmatics GPS System Site a few times that indicated what the trucks and equip were doing and accomplishing....it was revealing! Then lets chat about the 'State Contract'. The illustrious 'MI Deal' purchasing program. The 'Night Shift'. The 'Dundee Yard Property' sale. What wages and compensation cost in 2004. What it costs in 2012. And whatever else that you might be inquistitive about.

Good to see RD back here on MT!



For some 'background' on the face to face meeting that RD is referencing.  Active members that have been around a couple of years probably remember some of the prior discussion that led up to this meeting.  The MCRC members had been appointed for many decades by the Monroe County Commissioners.  In my opinion 'that system' was not working.  Yes, we obviously had some 'good' members but overall it was pretty obvious to the world that the 'system' just wasn't working.  To that end the County Board of Commissioners decided to 'change' the process to the point that Road Commissioners would be 'elected' by the public and in fact 'one' road commissioner was actually elected. 

As we were moving through the election cycle I wanted to make use of the MT 'family' and hopefully be able to find and get behind a candidate that could run for one of the upcoming open positions.  RD and I put together the meeting and I invited several members from MT.  All were members who had made public comments and were obviously concerned with the direction things were going.  A few showed up and we had a very productive meeting.

And then, before we could even really digest the info from that meeting and prepare for a 2nd meeting the County Board of Commissioners decided to 'return' to the old system...   the one that wasn't working and hadn't been working for decades!!! 

The main reason they gave (or at least the reason I latched onto)...

The voters are so stupid that they would not be able to vote on a responsible candidate that would be qualified to be a member of the Road Commission...

for the record these would be exactly the same voters that elect the County Board of Commissioners...  to that I guess it's safe to say that they themselves don't feel that they are then a 'responsible' board :( :( :(

Anyway, that 'reversal' negated any additional meetings for the stated purpose.  And obviously any future meetings (at least for the foreseeable future) would be strictly 'informational'.

I'm always open for any 'productive' discussion on any 'grass roots' topic as long as things remain 'non-partisan'...   if I wanted to be involved in partisan politics there are plenty of other opportunities for that!

My discussion here on MT about the GPS units was started because it certainly appears that the money spent has been completely wasted so far...   hopefully there is a means to still get some use of the money the taxpayers have already spent and of course the ultimate goal would to see them in 'full' use!

And, if they are not going to be used then there obviously be a thorough investigation as to how this 'boondoggle' happened...

WHO dropped the ball ??? ??? ???

that person (or people) should be identified and the situation should be dealt with in a matter to make sure there aren't further occurrences!!!

Quote
Next Topic?

Lets talk about what I saw and interpreted while accessing the Fleetmatics GPS System Site a few times that indicated what the trucks and equip were doing and accomplishing....it was revealing!

Then lets chat about the 'State Contract'.

The illustrious 'MI Deal' purchasing program.

The 'Night Shift'.

The 'Dundee Yard Property' sale.

What wages and compensation cost in 2004. What it costs in 2012.

And whatever else that you might be inquistitive about.

Obviously my first preference would be the 'state contract'...   anyone that's been around knows how I feel about that whole situation!!!

My next choice would be the Dundee Yard Property sale...

I'd like to hear from other MT members that have an interest in the Road Commission issues...

other members that were present for the prior meeting please feel free to comment.

Members that were not at the prior meeting please speak up if you would be interested in attending.

I guess if you're a long time lurker and have an interest this would be a great time for you to 'join up'!!!



Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 29, 2015, 12:10:00 PM
The Road 'Out of Comission' has been a joke and will remain a joke (and revenue sponge) long after we are all pushing up daisy's.

It's firmy entrenched in local gummit.

Nothing more than a recetacle for good old boys to land in (didn't I say that years back?)

I'm suprised Fry don't work there............... ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on January 29, 2015, 01:42:35 PM
Hello BigRedDog....been awhile since we chatted. Hello Professor....LiveWire. Finally spent the time getting my password reset. BTW, the hangar meet was a start....ought to have a few more! What would you like to know about the GPS system that the MCRC purchased the Fall season of 2012? Some of the details you already know. Yep...you're close on the amount. 80 thousand plus. 84K sticks in my head. All the vehicles, pick-ups, trucks, graders, loaders, mowing tractors....were equipped. Not sure if that included installation but I think so. Costs of yearly use fees I was told, amounted to nearly 22-24K. One of the reasons our Managing Director gave in support of this system was the supposedly ability to be able to have sensors on salt spreaders to know they are on spreading salt, when the blades are down, when and what roads were plowed, schools would be able to see if their roads were touched, call a truck that might be close by to take care of a particular slick spot...etc. Well...the system evidently was scrapped after about a year and a couple 3 months. The commissioners were never told of this until I asked in a scheduled meeting why I couldn't access the website anymore. Reasons being the MD said...the sensors on the spreaders and blades were not able to indicate that they were working. That the system was misrepresented upon its presentation for consideration to purchase. MD also replied that MCRC was talking with Verizon about putting on their GPS system on 5 trucks, and with sensors to indicate what spreaders and blades were doing. Last word before my departure after two years of being there, was that the jury was still out. Not sure if Verizon has even equipped the trucks yet. I'm not 100% sure, but I was told the Verizon system costs nothing for the equipment but a monthly fee amounting to nearly 12-14K a year. There again, I dont know how many vehicles, equipment, tractors this would equip. So basically....YOU are right. 80 some thousand dollars wasted. Another 20-30 thousand in user fees paid. This is only my take on the GPS system that was and is now as I was told. Next Topic? Lets talk about what I saw and interpreted while accessing the Fleetmatics GPS System Site a few times that indicated what the trucks and equip were doing and accomplishing....it was revealing! Then lets chat about the 'State Contract'. The illustrious 'MI Deal' purchasing program. The 'Night Shift'. The 'Dundee Yard Property' sale. What wages and compensation cost in 2004. What it costs in 2012. And whatever else that you might be inquistitive about.


Welcome back, RD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would LOVE to see more details about the State Contract, and the Dundee Yard Property.  I'm sure a lot of palms got greased in those deals...  It's just a matter of proving it.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on January 30, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
The main reason they gave (or at least the reason I latched onto)...

The voters are so stupid that they would not be able to vote on a responsible candidate that would be qualified to be a member of the Road Commission...
The last election cycle sort of proved that point.

The anti-government conservatives made gains in spite of being less popular than Obama.

Prior to that, I felt electing MCRC members would be preferable to the appointment system...but now I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on January 30, 2015, 04:53:06 PM
Welcome back RD... 

That tidbit of expenses in 04 - 14 of personnel cost to total budget would probably be an eye opener...   

The appointment process is still political... 
ask yourself who got appointed and what their political affiliations were...   
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 12:31:14 PM
Apparently the MCRC Facebook page is just a publicity stunt.  They haven't updated it since Jan 29.
But on the other hand maybe they aren't aware of the storm
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 01, 2015, 12:40:51 PM
LOL, that one caught me off guard and nearly made me spit some lunch.

It's good to be back home during a storm, I can always count on this thread for some laughs and wtf's.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 01, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Isn't the headliner to the story stating the obvious?  Was there a time that they wouldn't have under these conditions?

Road Commission working Sunday

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/01/road-commission-working-sunday/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/01/road-commission-working-sunday/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 01:17:19 PM
Apparently the MCRC Facebook page is just a publicity stunt.  They haven't updated it since Jan 29.
But on the other hand maybe they aren't aware of the storm


They probably hired a high school student under the co-op program to do the Facebook page so it won't get updated until Monday (or Tuesday if there's no school) ;) ;) ;)

I haven't seen anything of a truck out this way yet but really I'd just as soon they wait until things are either all over or it gets to drifting!

They are out and about though:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/01/road-commission-working-sunday/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/01/road-commission-working-sunday/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd0WMY3R3NU&x-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd0WMY3R3NU&x-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404&feature=player_embedded#)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 01:23:27 PM
Isn't the headliner to the story stating the obvious? Was there a time that they wouldn't have under these conditions?

Road Commission working Sunday

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/01/road-commission-working-sunday/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/01/road-commission-working-sunday/[/url])


This may be more of a 'publicity stunt' headline than anything...

They're out on the 'state contract' roads so the state picks up the bill regardless if it's straight or overtime...

only time will tell if they're actually out plowing the rest of the roads today ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: excelsior on February 01, 2015, 01:25:59 PM
I was shocked to see the MCRC plowing my road when I was plowing out my elderly neighbor this morning.    My road is usually one of the last roads plowed.

A tip of my hat to the MCRC today.   They appear to be on it in my hood.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 01, 2015, 01:35:52 PM
This may be more of a 'publicity stunt' headline than anything...

They're out on the 'state contract' roads so the state picks up the bill regardless if it's straight or overtime...

only time will tell if they're actually out plowing the rest of the roads today ;) ;) ;) ;)

It almost tickles me to think about this set of commissioners in a small, dark, backroom trying to plot a publicity stunt!   ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 02:02:59 PM
It almost tickles me to think about this set of commissioners in a small, dark, backroom trying to plot a publicity stunt!   ;D

I'm sure they've done stranger things over the years ;) ;) ;)

I was shocked to see the MCRC plowing my road when I was plowing out my elderly neighbor this morning.    My road is usually one of the last roads plowed.

A tip of my hat to the MCRC today.   They appear to be on it in my hood.

Glad to hear they're doing some of the other roads too then!

Still haven't seen one here though ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 02:13:41 PM
and almost right on cue...

there went a MCRC plow truck!!!

At least my wife should have an easy drive home now ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 02:14:46 PM
I'll be happy they are doing 75 and 275,  I have a pickup at metro soon
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 02:53:03 PM
I'll be happy they are doing 75 and 275,  I have a pickup at metro soon

I was just on https://www.waze.com/livemap (https://www.waze.com/livemap) and there are some stretches of 75 and 275 that are down to around 35 mph so make sure you leave plenty early!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 04:30:26 PM
You are right about 75.
Whiteout too

Somebody call Stammer and tell him it's snowing.
One (1) blue truck from Lambertville to Airport and that was on 75.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 01, 2015, 04:43:37 PM
Just went by here... heading towards Ida...  not sure how the cross roads are.   

Still drifting - so I'm not doing my drive until it's time to leave
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 04:47:07 PM
Snow is light.
I shoveled an area to get vehicle out so I could get to snowblower.
Decided not to blow drive yet. 
Just backed Ram thru snow.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 04:53:59 PM
Snow is light.
I shoveled an area to get vehicle out so I could get to snowblower.
Decided not to blow drive yet. 
Just backed Ram thru snow.

My wife doesn't have to work tomorrow morning so I was hoping I could just wait until the storm was over...  I can get out with the truck through this!!!

but that didn't work as she only got the car about 3/4 of the way up the drive...  it's up hill all the way so I wasn't surprised.  She left it (before she got it really stuck) and I got the snowblower out and cleaned around it and it drove on up just fine...  but where I cleared is already drifting back in fast! 

The big red dog stayed out with me the whole time I was out...   she was absolutely white when we finally came back in!!!  Towel Time :o :o :o
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 04:55:15 PM
WTF...toledo mayor has heart attack driving home from store and wrecks city Jeep.
Say he was accessing level finds.  What BS.
The Sheriff makes the call and it was already set to level 3 this morning in reflect at 3PM
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 05:16:04 PM
WTF...toledo mayor has heart attack driving home from store and wrecks city Jeep.
Say he was accessing level finds.  What BS.
The Sheriff makes the call and it was already set to level 3 this morning in reflect at 3PM

NBC24 was just showing a video of him at an impromptu news conference about lunchtime today...

said he was on his way to do some driving and then to meet with the sheriff!

They're having another news conference any minute to update on his condition...

they've sworn in the head of city council as the 'acting' mayor...

sounds like he has been completely unresponsive since the crash :( :( :(
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 05:33:17 PM
I hope he recovers but he had no business being out.  The Sheriff decided 4 hrs before that to put level 3 on. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 05:53:24 PM
I hope he recovers but he had no business being out.  The Sheriff decided 4 hrs before that to put level 3 on.

Per the news conference...

After the crash a citizen broke the window of his Jeep to get him out and start CPR on him...

he was in full arrest when fire and police arrived!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 06:05:56 PM
I glad that's over but it wasn't all that bad. Not a lot of trucks going 75 or 80.
I've had 2 worse experiences. 
One driving from Chautauqua lake in NY in blinding snow until I got to Cleveland.  The wife watched for the posts of her side with white reflectors to keep me on road.  No where to stop for 50 miles.
Another was big storm in Indiana late 80's or 90 from Bloomington to Lambertville.  turnpike closed at 69. Had to go to Coldwater to get a room
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 06:21:22 PM
I glad that's over but it wasn't all that bad. Not a lot of trucks going 75 or 80.
I've had 2 worse experiences. 
One driving from Chautauqua lake in NY in blinding snow until I got to Cleveland.  The wife watched for the posts of her side with white reflectors to keep me on road.  No where to stop for 50 miles.
Another was big storm in Indiana late 80's or 90 from Bloomington to Lambertville.  turnpike closed at 69. Had to go to Coldwater to get a room

I was the 'spotter' like than going across the Mackinac Bridge back in '68 or '69!!!

We had to keep the windows down for miles at a time to stay on the road...

I'm sure if we would have ever stopped we wouldn't have got going again but we made it to Marquette...

not in record time though!

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 06:46:42 PM
Marquette is long drive from the bridge, esp in bad weather
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 07:04:40 PM
I just went and looked out the back door...

all my north-south paths are blown back in...

east-west is almost clear still!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
Your tax dollars at rest...

This is the 2nd time in as many winters that this has happened in the same area!!!

Summerfield Rd. between Ida Center and Lulu roads!

At least it's not a brand new truck!  Only minor leg injury to the driver!

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/plow1_zpsj4grjdzx.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/plow1_zpsj4grjdzx.jpg.html)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/plow2_zpsijfsfscz.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/plow2_zpsijfsfscz.jpg.html)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/plow3_zpslohgagrs.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/plow3_zpslohgagrs.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Mayonnaise on February 01, 2015, 07:35:34 PM
Well at least the pot holes are filled.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 01, 2015, 07:41:20 PM
I wonder if it was the same driver that dumped the truck both times?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 07:42:27 PM
Well at least the pot holes are filled.

I think it would be almost ironic if the driver hit a pothole and that's what happened!

There's salt spilled so possibly (actually probably) the dump box was elevated...   

that changes the way a truck handles!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 07:48:55 PM
I wonder if it was the same driver that dumped the truck both times?


That information may come out later...

I'd like to dedicate a song to the driver or drivers involved in these incidents though...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbt0DU-RFRc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbt0DU-RFRc#)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 08:11:23 PM
I can't tell what it us.  But must be a blue plow
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 08:16:46 PM
I can't tell what it us.  But must be a blue plow

One of the smaller single axle plow trucks.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 08:18:38 PM
I've shoveled 4 times in back for dog.  There seems to be more each time.
However the area I shoveled to park a veh in front of garage so I can get snowblower out is still pretty clear. Not clear but very little compared to the rest
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
I'm looking at it on the iPad is probably why
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2015, 08:24:25 PM
I've shoveled 4 times in back for dog.  There seems to be more each time.
However the area I shoveled to park a veh in front of garage so I can get snowblower out is still pretty clear. Not clear but very little compared to the rest

I just was looking on twitter and one of the Toledo stations says it's snowing harder than it has been all day!

NWS says Monroe County may end up with 13-14" by tomorrow!

Our drive has all drifted back in which I kind of figured it would!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 01, 2015, 08:40:52 PM
Marquette is long drive from the bridge, esp in bad weather
and that was the major stop before Hancock/Houghton...   spent a few nights there waiting for a gas station to open on the trip back to school  when the weather delayed us...
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 01, 2015, 08:42:54 PM
Just got home - missed the halftime show... any wardrobe malfunction misses?

The roads are barely passable  - my driveway drifted but I was able to plow through with the hot rod Lincoln :-)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 09:00:23 PM
Been to Houghton twice snowmobiling. Stopped over night both timesin Munising.  Not many states take 14-15 hours to travel from one end to other
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 01, 2015, 09:51:52 PM
Looking at the satellite view, and the snow is about to end here.  There's another big band of snow to the west, but it might shoot to the north of Monroe county.  We'll see. 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2015, 10:37:18 PM
Hope so..I've got 4 driveways and the end of the street to blow out tomorrow
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 02, 2015, 07:51:38 AM
The MonroeNews even got a short article 'online' last night about the 'tipping plow truck'...

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/01/plow-truck-overturns-summerfield-township/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/01/plow-truck-overturns-summerfield-township/)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 03, 2015, 08:47:56 AM
I'm hearing that the 'driver' of the plow truck that tipped over is in fact the same driver that tipped over a truck last year in the same area.  I'm curious to see if they will report his 'name' in the paper...

hint...   it's a name most everyone in Monroe will recognize :o :o :o

The last version of the article about the crash says the truck may not be usable due to a twisted frame!

I wonder if this was the same truck or a different truck from last year ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 03, 2015, 09:12:46 AM
Been to Houghton twice snowmobiling. Stopped over night both timesin Munising.  Not many states take 14-15 hours to travel from one end to other

We drove from Midland to Ironwood to the snowmobile races one time and it took us about 22 hours...  it was in a snow 'event' (they don't call them storms up there) about like what we had here this weekend!  We were in a late 60s or early 70s Buick 'two and a quarter'...   by the time we got there we had so much ice and frozen snow on the bottom we were dragging as much as we were rolling! 

You're right about hours to travel from one end of the state to the other though!  Google maps shows 624 miles from Monroe to Ironwood...  685 miles to Atlanta Georgia!!! 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Debimark on February 03, 2015, 09:13:30 AM
Was the truck a larger "Heavy Weight" model, or was it the smaller "Bantam Weight" class used for road maintenance in rural areas?
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 03, 2015, 09:26:37 AM
Was the truck a larger "Heavy Weight" model, or was it the smaller "Bantam Weight" class used for road maintenance in rural areas?

It was a single axle truck so probably what you're calling a "Bantam Weight" truck...

you can see the load of salt dumped in the pictures so it would weigh more than if it was empty but that's something they deal with every day.

What 'may' have happened...

if the load of salt 'sticks' in the dump box sometimes it can end up with a lot of weight at the front of the box...   the driver is spreading salt at the same time they're plowing so they have to keep raising the box to get salt to the back to the spreader...   if a big chunk of salt is stuck at the front of the box it becomes the 'top of the box' as the box goes higher and higher...   but the truck is now extremely top heavy and it doesn't take much of a change in road grade to go 'over center' and after that you're on the way to the ditch (or oncoming traffic in some cases)!  Even if that was the case a driver should be able to tell that the truck is handling funny and correct the situation. 

In most trucking situations you want to 'secure' whatever load you're hauling so it won't move around while in motion however in this case they want the load to move 'down the elevated incline' to the spreader!

Anytime your load is moving it can make for some interesting handling...  especially when there are curves or hills to deal with.

We had an old fire 'tanker' that didn't have any baffles in the tank.  It wasn't bad driving if the tank was full...  but if you went to a fire and only used a few hundred gallons of water you better remember to dump the rest of the water before you head back to the station!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 03, 2015, 09:32:00 AM
Was the truck a larger "Heavy Weight" model, or was it the smaller "Bantam Weight" class used for road maintenance in rural areas?
LOL@ the boxer reference.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 03, 2015, 09:49:40 AM
LOL@ the boxer reference.


 ;) ;) ;)

Another thing that can happen...  especially in the dark is the box can get up high enough to hit an overhead wire...   most will just rip down but every once in a while you can have a situation where the truck is already just at the 'balance point' and it doesn't take much to get the front end up in the air...

and then it's 'hold on...   you're going for the ride of the century'

or for repeat offenders I guess it would be the ride of the year!!!

I've seen a couple of plow-salt trucks that hit the overpasses on the freeways with the box up!!!

One of the reasons to give a plow truck on the freeway a little 'extra room'!!!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 03, 2015, 10:41:01 AM
The snowmobiles and four wheelers had a good time running up and down the road yesterday.  I saw a news note somewhere that as long as the county is under the highest snow alert then the roads are open to them legally!

I had to go into town so left about 2:15...  I had to wait at the end of the drive for the MCRC plow truck.  It was a 'heavyweight'...   Looked like it might have been one of the new tandems with a plow on the front...  it was down and throwing lots of snow!  I could hear the truck heading toward me...  governor was working up and down as it hit some of the drifts!

By the time I came home it had returned...  I had moved all the snow out of the road 'upstream' from our drive when I was using the snowblower so I didn't have a bit at the end of the drive.

Either we didn't get mail yesterday or the USPS didn't make it through the snow!

Our trash guys didn't show so I'll have to go take it back out to the road in a little bit.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 03, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
I must say.....

The MCRC did a better job than the Oakland County Road Commission did - and Monroe Counties snow fall totals were much higher.

Kudos!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 03, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
Who plows the residential streets in Monroe Township?  They get done within a few days, but I have never caught glimpse of the truck.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 03, 2015, 06:31:42 PM
Somebody plowed my deadend street this afternoon.  There hasn't been a blue truck on it in years. Maybe they are listening to people ***** about want residential and county roads plowed
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 03, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
Who plows the residential streets in Monroe Township?  They get done within a few days, but I have never caught glimpse of the truck.

I know who plows one of them.  ;)


The MCRC actually plowed my road very late last night!!!!  And it wasn't the same old, drop the blade until it barely scuffs the snow. They did a pretty decent job!!!

What the hell happened? ? ? ? ?

Is there someone new giving orders when and where the trucks go?

They actually did EXACTLY what I suggested last year. They broke open the major roads, then broke open the secondary roads. THEN they worried about the shoulders, and making things look pretty. Forget the salt... Get the roads plowed FIRST!!!!! And they did it.

All within 24 hours of the end of the storm.

I hate to say this, but GOOD JOB, guys!!!

Now let's see you do the same thing with EVERY snow storm.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 03, 2015, 07:08:43 PM
Well there were a lot of ticked off people last year that couldn't get in or out of subs and school busses weren't able to either for days after the snow.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: CatLady on February 03, 2015, 07:17:00 PM
We got one swipe through yesterday about 4 and that was it.  Wide enough for one car and probably not a school bus.  Nothing today but maybe they're waiting til the 4 more inches comes tonight.  But one car width is better than 6 foot drifts!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 03, 2015, 10:42:56 PM
That seems to be the consensus with people I know in subs.  One pass.  But like you say at least you can get thru.  Nice to live on dead end street.  They had to backtrack so whole width was plowed. Then again almost everyone clears the street with their snowblower so it didn't matter.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 04, 2015, 12:56:22 PM
Another fine job by the MCRC this morning. 

2nd place goes to the WCRC.

I won't even give the OCRC an honorable mention - they didn't even show up.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 04, 2015, 03:51:45 PM
Gee someone is actually listening...   Wonder what else is in store for us!
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 06, 2015, 07:20:23 PM
Well done MCRC...well done. Even the anti-government fools are taking notice.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: livewire on February 06, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Even the anti-government fools are taking notice.

Oh, go play marbles in the middle of Telegraph Road.

In a snowstorm.



At night.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 06, 2015, 07:34:44 PM
Oh, go play marbles in the middle of Telegraph Road.

In a snowstorm.



At night.
Gee...your ears must've been ringing.  ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 07, 2015, 04:59:54 AM
Gee someone is actually listening...   Wonder what else is in store for us!

Even the county Board of Commissioners had some positive comments for the recent performance of the MCRC...   that was in an article in the paper in the last few days!!!

That same commissioner even sent well wishes for the unnamed driver of the MCRC truck that rolled over ;) ;) ;)

We drove down W. 7th yesterday past the MCRC garage and there was one very lonely looking single axle truck sitting back there all alone!  It was parked with the driver's side toward 7th street so I couldn't see if there was any visible damage to the side it rolled onto! 

Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 07, 2015, 10:08:07 AM
I've been in a few subs in Bedford and notice they have been plowed.  Not curb to curb but at least enough for residents and buses to get thru.  I've seen the blue trucks on the major roads a few times clearing the edges. 
This is a first time event in years....
I'm satisfied with the performance of MCRC this year.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 07, 2015, 10:30:36 AM
I've been in a few subs in Bedford and notice they have been plowed.  Not curb to curb but at least enough for residents and buses to get thru.  I've seen the blue trucks on the major roads a few times clearing the edges. 
This is a first time event in years....
I'm satisfied with the performance of MCRC this year.

It certainly appears they've managed to 're-order' some of their priorities down there! 
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: blue2 on February 07, 2015, 10:37:08 AM
It's nice to have the state highways safe for travel but we have to be safe too on our roads
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 07, 2015, 10:42:11 AM
Here's the article from the Monroe News I mentioned above:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/07/road-agency-plowing-efforts-draw-praise/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/feb/07/road-agency-plowing-efforts-draw-praise/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 07, 2015, 01:00:36 PM
So I assume you give them an 'attaboy' for something should be doing as SOP all along.  I don't think so.

In real life you are rewarded for going 'above and beyond' not performing reasonably accepted tasks.

They still suuck.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 08, 2015, 09:20:42 AM
So I assume you give them an 'attaboy' for something should be doing as SOP all along.  I don't think so.

In real life you are rewarded for going 'above and beyond' not performing reasonably accepted tasks.

They still suuck.

I don't see any problem with letting them know they're making progress...

I haven't heard anyone yet saying that they've gone above and beyond what is expected of them.

When my wife can get up and head for work at 4:30 am on clear dry roads then I'll be really happy ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 08, 2015, 11:04:18 AM
Don't hold your breath.  We really had only 2 snow events this winter so far.  Not much os a yardstick to gage performance IMO.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 08, 2015, 11:37:51 AM
I agree on low amount of data, but it is a remarked improvement over last year's start.  That can't be denied.....last year was a miserable performance from the very start.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 08, 2015, 03:33:47 PM
Some people just can't be pleased.

But it's becoming easier to identify the sky-is-falling, anti-government crowd and discern their political agenda.
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 12, 2015, 10:08:00 AM
Just saw a MCRC truck go by on 'patrol'...

obviously they weren't scraping snow or ice... 

I suppose there may be some icy corners they're out salting!!!

I know they weren't patching potholes because I watched them dodge a couple of them as they drove down the road ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: Professor H on February 12, 2015, 10:19:57 AM
I was thinking you should re-name the topic...  (the OP can do it by revisiting the first post)

Maybe  News and commentary on the Road Commission?

after all they have shown they pay attention ;)
Title: Re: My two latest 'gripes' about the Road Commission!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 12, 2015, 12:25:11 PM
I was thinking you should re-name the topic...  (the OP can do it by revisiting the first post)

Maybe  News and commentary on the Road Commission?

after all they have shown they pay attention ;)

See if you think my 'revised' topic is 'more fitting' ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 12, 2015, 12:44:26 PM
See if you think my 'revised' topic is 'more fitting' ;) ;) ;)

It fits perfectly  LOL!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 12, 2015, 12:46:25 PM
It fits perfectly  LOL!

Ok, we'll consider that one 'locked and loaded' then 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 12, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
The huge pile of salt thats left behind where McKart flipped the MCRC truck on Summerfield between Lulu and Ida Center is UGLY

Would be a good thing is they cleaned it up

Bad if they don't
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 12, 2015, 03:58:08 PM
It will only end up In Lake Erie if they dont
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 13, 2015, 09:39:52 AM
The huge pile of salt thats left behind where McKart flipped the MCRC truck on Summerfield between Lulu and Ida Center is UGLY

Would be a good thing is they cleaned it up

Bad if they don't

I think maybe they're leaving that there as a 'memorial'!!!

or a 'marker' as a reminder to their drivers to 'be careful'!!!

Actually they're working on it...  it's a 'project in progress'!!!

they've had two engineers drawing up plans for over a week...

they'll need a front loader and a dump truck along with an operator for each...

they'll need a surveyor crew to 'shoot the grade' to make sure they don't dig too deep or leave too much and that the rough grade is compatible with what the engineering crew has laid out!

they'll need two laborers with shovels and rakes to do the 'final grade'...  again, in compliance with what the engineers have been working on for the last week!!!

But most critical is they will need four foremen (or women) to properly supervise a project of this magnitude!!!

I'm not sure the days are long enough yet...   to save time of having to go out there two different days they may just wait until July when they're working 10 hour days 8) 8) 8)

Actually...

if they leave it there long enough maybe someone will just steal it and they can save the $16K or so it will cost to clean it up ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2015, 10:07:43 AM
I haven't seen anything of a plow truck on our road this morning?

Anyone been out and about to see if they're working anywhere?

I have an idea...

maybe they could buy a nice GPS system and then post the results to a website so the taxpayers could see

where the roads have been plowed... 

are in the process of being plowed...   

probably won't ever be plowed!!!

But I suppose it's just too much to hope for them to use 5 year old technology >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 14, 2015, 10:10:18 AM
I saw one on Secor north of Sterns spreading some salt.  Went as far as LaMar Fredricks street and turned around.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2015, 10:14:35 AM
I saw one on Secor north of Sterns spreading some salt.  Went as far as LaMar Fredricks street and turned around.

 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 14, 2015, 10:14:58 AM
The GPS installation deal is just too bad.  I'm not sure where the resistance is coming from to instal them, I'm guessing it is the drivers.  You just know there would be some monitoring of where they are either by supervisors or some of us folks, but the fact is is that it could be a useful tool for the public to see where they have been so travel plans/routes can be made for those who do need to get out and about.

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 14, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
I saw a driver last night and forget to ask him about the GPS.  Next time.
i did find out Bronco was the driver in the ditch on summerfield,
maybe that was reported already.

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 14, 2015, 10:29:09 AM
I've seen so many convoluted stories on the GPS deal that I can't track back to who or why the resistance is there.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 14, 2015, 10:46:14 AM
If management bought them and they aren't installed yet it's a pretty good guess what the hold up is.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 14, 2015, 10:53:19 AM
That's too bad then........I guess all the stories about the prisoners running the prison are true after all.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2015, 11:30:49 AM
I've seen so many convoluted stories on the GPS deal that I can't track back to who or why the resistance is there.

The 'story' I've heard repeatedly...

The units that have been purchased and paid for a few years ago now will work just fine for showing the location and identification of each and every vehicle that they would be installed in. 

This all sounds fine so far...   the 'issue' is that even though the company that sold the units to MCRC management and stated that the units would show among other things if the blade was up up or down, if the salt spreader is turning and in the case of a mower tractor if the mowers are activated.  For whatever reason the company that sold (and I assume installed them) has not been able to make these additional features work! 

This all sounds fairly simple to me...

if you sold me a product with installation to follow and you aren't able to 'make it all work' then simply drive to Monroe and remove your product and drop off a check for all monies the Monroe County Taxpayers originally paid for your defective product!!!

What is complicated about that ??? ??? ???

Make it work or take it back!!!

The longer they wait the harder it is going to be to 'recover' the taxpayer's money!

The 'objection' to just putting them 'live online' that I have heard multiple times is that 'the public' (read that as the taxpayers that footed the bill for these units in the first place) would not be able to tell when the trucks (or mowers) were actually 'working' or if the unit was just 'cruising'...

isn't that what all those foremen (or women) are for ??? ??? ???

For the record...

a MCRC truck just drove by...   

the plow was down and the headlights were on... 

I didn't see the salt spreader spinning although they usually save that for intersections...

after it got past it literally disappeared into the snow cloud!!!   All the strobes and everything were 'lost' in the whiteout! 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 14, 2015, 11:51:59 AM
The real issue seems to be whoever does purchasing contracts then...

If you can't spec in a contract what you want - you should find a new job in the agency.
If the contract can't be fulfilled by the vendor - then the penalty or refund of the contract should kick in. 

Problem probably arises from promotions of people for political favor instead of qualifications... 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2015, 11:56:48 AM
I know this has been posted before but here's a link to Wayne County's system:

http://www.compass.waynecounty.com/ (http://www.compass.waynecounty.com/)

You do have to play with it a bit...  find the overlays you want to view otherwise you can't see the truck locations.

Looks like they're using a www.waze.com (http://www.waze.com)  map to show their location! 

It's snowing so hard here again I can barely see the mailbox!!!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2015, 11:59:27 AM
I forgot to mention...

some of their trucks actually have a video camera installed and they transmit live video from the vehicle...

you can kind of 'ride along' ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 14, 2015, 12:44:31 PM
Brother.....seems to be they could instal them as is (without the salt spinning and plow down features) so that one could at least make the assumption that the blades are down and clearing, and then force the company to live up to the contract on implementing the additional features or prepare to go to court to have that cost removed from the contract.

Letting them sit in boxes is just stupid.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2015, 12:59:43 PM
Brother.....seems to be they could instal them as is (without the salt spinning and plow down features) so that one could at least make the assumption that the blades are down and clearing, and then force the company to live up to the contract on implementing the additional features or prepare to go to court to have that cost removed from the contract.

Letting them sit in boxes is just stupid.


I agree with what you're saying 110%...

sounds so simple I can't believe all those 'engineer types' down there can't just

(http://thediscipleproject.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Larry_The_Cableguy__Git_R_Done_by_AngryDogDesigns.png)

There is 'some' underlying piece of info we're not being told...

but what is it ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 14, 2015, 03:48:26 PM
The Road comission sent a letter to the townships for roadside ditching.  Problem is, the road commis is responsible for ditching in the first place....and there is no set cost figure per distance ditched...

Finally the townships are 100% liable for the cost (ne self help money to be applied)....

What a racket.  Thats thinly veiled extorsion.

Agency needs to be abolished.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 14, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Are you suggesting we ditch the agency in charge of the ditches...   ;D

Too bad the only governmental body with that authority - decided to kick the can on it...  8*   

So we are stuck with the current model -

At least the new batch of commissioners seems to have encourage some changes  :)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 14, 2015, 09:01:21 PM
The MCRC should attempt to punt the ditches into the domain of the "Drain Commissioner."

The Drain Commissioner could then assess everyone's taxes to "clean the drains."
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 15, 2015, 01:14:00 PM
MCRC crews are out working on Sunday...

A tandem with a front mounted 'drift buster' just went by...

and right back!!!

I didn't see him (or her) hit anything with the front blade but they'll need it for sure not too far west of here!

It's probably about as warm as it's going to get today...   I'm showing ZERO straight up and down!!!

I'm going to head out and at least clean up the drifts in the yard...   if my face isn't frozen too bad by then

I'll clear the rest of the drive although we really don't have much snow in the drive...  it mostly blew away!!!  but if you drive on it and pack it down it can end up being nasty later on ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 15, 2015, 02:21:29 PM
BRD,  everything can stay the way it is outside at my house.  I was going to do salmon on the grill but i'm here looking for a recipe to do it in the oven.  That will even help heat up the house...
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 16, 2015, 07:22:20 PM
Telegraph and M-151 were both 90% clear this morning although both had a few remaining drifts that had been packed down into ice.  Probably too cold for salt to do any good too.

US 23 was clear though!!!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 16, 2015, 07:36:56 PM
Some good tips on being prepared for the cold weather from the MCRC Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=791098660966575&id=160752514001196 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=791098660966575&id=160752514001196)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on February 16, 2015, 09:31:20 PM
I noticed very early this morning there were parts of some roads that had some drifted snow, packed down into slick ice in many spots.  I also noticed that the road commission actually did spread some sand on these spots!!!!!!  Salt won't work in these temperatures, but sand is a very good alternative!!!!  Gives some traction, and it even seems to help break up the ice.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: RPTR DRVR on February 17, 2015, 12:08:03 AM
Been following the chatter on MCRC...kinda interesting. About the GPS system that was installed in the first couple months of 2013, Fleetmatics was the vendor for the units. They were installed to my knowledge on every truck, tractors, loaders, and graders. To access the site you would type in on Fleetmatics website...User---MCRC. Password---1234. Next it would ask what unit number you wish to track. Enter the unit number and it would show when the vehicle or piece started up in the morning...when it started moving...how fast...when it stopped...where it's location is...and when it finally arrived back to the facility for quitting time. It would show the whole map of it's daily travels. I think as I remember that the GPS would upgrade its movements every 3 minutes. Several times I was able to punch up a truck number I happened to cross paths with on my laptop.
The first one I did was in April 2013...I had the list of trucks, equipment, and their assigned numbers. Having each piece of equipment and trucks numbered was essential to the GPS mapping system.
It showed the Ida Facility truck taking the country backroads to the Stoneco Quarry on Sterns and Whiteford instead of jumping the Eway and south to Sterns...driving a round about way to the work area...after it had been idle at Java Jeff's Coffee Shop Lewis and Temperance 930am...grading shoulders between Samaria and Rauch...heading for lunch Secor and Sterns noon....little more grading on Sterns 1pm...then backroads to Ida Facility with arrival at 210pm. quit time 3pm. I retraced his route to verify just what the truck accomplished for the day. My best estimate is... all about 3 hours of actual grading, blading, and stone applied. The same results with the cold patching pot hole crews....they work about 3-4 hrs total. Drive around the backroads for 2-3 hrs and then head on in for quit time. GPS showed how bad they were doing....I grabbed Pierce a couple of times to get his take on what they accomplished. One spot was Ida Maybee Rd at Banas Hardware. I asked him how long he would have taken to do what was done if he had done the same amount. His answer was the same as my estimate...3 hrs. I showed him their route and times on my laptop. It showed them on the job in the morning for 2 hrs...going to lunch for 45 min...working another hour and then driving the backroads for the rest of the day slowly heading back to Ida for quitting time at 215pm. Just laughable what some do in a days time. Same way with a grader I checked one day. Started up at 730...drove out at 810...took scenic route out to some stone roads north and west of Dundee...finally putting blade down at 945...graded slowly 5-6mph...grades till 1pm....then backroads home to quit.. arriving Ida at 205pm. Showed grader shut off at 210.
Time and time again I quizzed Pierce and all he could do is hang his head and say I'll look into it. I saw enough! Every time I saw a truck and pulled it up on the website...showed how inefficient the crews were and what they accomplished. No different with the paving crew! Same level. And you wonder why meetings were full of tension...
It's my opinion that the scrapping of the GPS system was by management to appease the union. Union negotiations were ongoing during this time. Had nothing to do with winter operations...blades down...salt being spread...I could've cared less if down and on! The biggest trouble was management not using the GPS as a tool to see what got done every day. Disciplining drivers fluffing off. Bringing the amount of work time not being best utilized to the manager's attention and the subsequent embarrassment being laid on him, no wonder the GPS system is no more.
I voted for Pierce to take on the Manager's position. I thought having continuity and sensing his desire to change the way MCRC does business, working closer for the Townships well being, let them utilize the limited funds they have to spend with a contractor to get the most value...I just wish that he had a little more Pit Bull or junk yard dog in him to deal with those that seem to drive the day to day activities.

Professor, this one's for you! The first budget history document I read showed in 2004, wages, compensation, retirement,and healthcare cost MCRC 4.5 million. In 2012 (8 years later) the very same cost had escalated to 9 million. 72 active employees...not sure on the number of retirees that MCRC pays retirement and healthcare for...80 seems to come to mind.  MCRC receives about 9.3 million through Act 51 (fuel tax) money. Some Federal Aid money, Township money, and the ole 'State Maint Contract' money. Around 20 million income. Deduct materials, fuels, and maintenance on equip and whats left?

SCF, this ones for you! You have it right! MCRC needs to be dissolved. It's present structure and what it takes to maintain it consumes all the money it takes in with very little accomplishment to the county resident's road system.
IThe state giving us more 51 money, unless it's used as what we did with Samaria Rd, receiving 5 million dollars and utilizing a contractor to do the work, will not get us not much farther ahead.

LiveWire....your turn! Remember reading how the City of Monroe made a purchase of salt? Bought 2000 tons from Detroit Salt Co for 53 dollars? Took delivery for now of 800 ton? Here's the shame that MCRC did..... In their illustrious wisdom, elected to stock up the salt needed to replenish the reserves, used the State of Michigan purchasing power of the 'MI Deal' concept purchasing 25 thousand ton at a predetermined rate of 61 dollars. Never shopped for prices...so brainwashed to use the MI Deal purchasing plan...SPENT 200K more for the very same salt. I brought this up at the last meeting in November....all they could do was say they thought MI Deal was the best price they could get. They didn't check elsewhere! There are purchasing policies that were disregarded...

So glad that Charlie took my spot...
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 17, 2015, 06:36:20 AM
Been following the chatter on MCRC...kinda interesting. About the GPS system that was installed in the first couple months of 2013, Fleetmatics was the vendor for the units. They were installed to my knowledge on every truck, tractors, loaders, and graders. To access the site you would type in on Fleetmatics website...User---MCRC. Password---1234. Next it would ask what unit number you wish to track. Enter the unit number and it would show when the vehicle or piece started up in the morning...when it started moving...how fast...when it stopped...where it's location is...and when it finally arrived back to the facility for quitting time. It would show the whole map of it's daily travels. I think as I remember that the GPS would upgrade its movements every 3 minutes. Several times I was able to punch up a truck number I happened to cross paths with on my laptop.
The first one I did was in April 2013...I had the list of trucks, equipment, and their assigned numbers. Having each piece of equipment and trucks numbered was essential to the GPS mapping system.
It showed the Ida Facility truck taking the country backroads to the Stoneco Quarry on Sterns and Whiteford instead of jumping the Eway and south to Sterns...driving a round about way to the work area...after it had been idle at Java Jeff's Coffee Shop Lewis and Temperance 930am...grading shoulders between Samaria and Rauch...heading for lunch Secor and Sterns noon....little more grading on Sterns 1pm...then backroads to Ida Facility with arrival at 210pm. quit time 3pm. I retraced his route to verify just what the truck accomplished for the day. My best estimate is... all about 3 hours of actual grading, blading, and stone applied. The same results with the cold patching pot hole crews....they work about 3-4 hrs total. Drive around the backroads for 2-3 hrs and then head on in for quit time. GPS showed how bad they were doing....I grabbed Pierce a couple of times to get his take on what they accomplished. One spot was Ida Maybee Rd at Banas Hardware. I asked him how long he would have taken to do what was done if he had done the same amount. His answer was the same as my estimate...3 hrs. I showed him their route and times on my laptop. It showed them on the job in the morning for 2 hrs...going to lunch for 45 min...working another hour and then driving the backroads for the rest of the day slowly heading back to Ida for quitting time at 215pm. Just laughable what some do in a days time. Same way with a grader I checked one day. Started up at 730...drove out at 810...took scenic route out to some stone roads north and west of Dundee...finally putting blade down at 945...graded slowly 5-6mph...grades till 1pm....then backroads home to quit.. arriving Ida at 205pm. Showed grader shut off at 210.
Time and time again I quizzed Pierce and all he could do is hang his head and say I'll look into it. I saw enough! Every time I saw a truck and pulled it up on the website...showed how inefficient the crews were and what they accomplished. No different with the paving crew! Same level. And you wonder why meetings were full of tension...
It's my opinion that the scrapping of the GPS system was by management to appease the union. Union negotiations were ongoing during this time. Had nothing to do with winter operations...blades down...salt being spread...I could've cared less if down and on! The biggest trouble was management not using the GPS as a tool to see what got done every day. Disciplining drivers fluffing off. Bringing the amount of work time not being best utilized to the manager's attention and the subsequent embarrassment being laid on him, no wonder the GPS system is no more.
I voted for Pierce to take on the Manager's position. I thought having continuity and sensing his desire to change the way MCRC does business, working closer for the Townships well being, let them utilize the limited funds they have to spend with a contractor to get the most value...I just wish that he had a little more Pit Bull or junk yard dog in him to deal with those that seem to drive the day to day activities.

Professor, this one's for you! The first budget history document I read showed in 2004, wages, compensation, retirement,and healthcare cost MCRC 4.5 million. In 2012 (8 years later) the very same cost had escalated to 9 million. 72 active employees...not sure on the number of retirees that MCRC pays retirement and healthcare for...80 seems to come to mind.  MCRC receives about 9.3 million through Act 51 (fuel tax) money. Some Federal Aid money, Township money, and the ole 'State Maint Contract' money. Around 20 million income. Deduct materials, fuels, and maintenance on equip and whats left?

SCF, this ones for you! You have it right! MCRC needs to be dissolved. It's present structure and what it takes to maintain it consumes all the money it takes in with very little accomplishment to the county resident's road system.
IThe state giving us more 51 money, unless it's used as what we did with Samaria Rd, receiving 5 million dollars and utilizing a contractor to do the work, will not get us not much farther ahead.

LiveWire....your turn! Remember reading how the City of Monroe made a purchase of salt? Bought 2000 tons from Detroit Salt Co for 53 dollars? Took delivery for now of 800 ton? Here's the shame that MCRC did..... In their illustrious wisdom, elected to stock up the salt needed to replenish the reserves, used the State of Michigan purchasing power of the 'MI Deal' concept purchasing 25 thousand ton at a predetermined rate of 61 dollars. Never shopped for prices...so brainwashed to use the MI Deal purchasing plan...SPENT 200K more for the very same salt. I brought this up at the last meeting in November....all they could do was say they thought MI Deal was the best price they could get. They didn't check elsewhere! There are purchasing policies that were disregarded...

So glad that Charlie took my spot...

The MCRC - and Every other road commission needs disbanded.

That is step 1 to fixing Michigan's Roads if the Governor and Legislator is serious about the problem.

Vote NO for the tax increase and MAKE them do their job.

This isn't about protecting a status quo situation.  This is about fixing a broken situation.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on February 17, 2015, 08:53:16 AM
Been following the chatter on MCRC...kinda interesting. About the GPS system that was installed in the first couple months of 2013, Fleetmatics was the vendor for the units. They were installed to my knowledge on every truck, tractors, loaders, and graders. To access the site you would type in on Fleetmatics website...User---MCRC. Password---1234. Next it would ask what unit number you wish to track. Enter the unit number and it would show when the vehicle or piece started up in the morning...when it started moving...how fast...when it stopped...where it's location is...and when it finally arrived back to the facility for quitting time. It would show the whole map of it's daily travels. I think as I remember that the GPS would upgrade its movements every 3 minutes. Several times I was able to punch up a truck number I happened to cross paths with on my laptop.
The first one I did was in April 2013...I had the list of trucks, equipment, and their assigned numbers. Having each piece of equipment and trucks numbered was essential to the GPS mapping system.
It showed the Ida Facility truck taking the country backroads to the Stoneco Quarry on Sterns and Whiteford instead of jumping the Eway and south to Sterns...driving a round about way to the work area...after it had been idle at Java Jeff's Coffee Shop Lewis and Temperance 930am...grading shoulders between Samaria and Rauch...heading for lunch Secor and Sterns noon....little more grading on Sterns 1pm...then backroads to Ida Facility with arrival at 210pm. quit time 3pm. I retraced his route to verify just what the truck accomplished for the day. My best estimate is... all about 3 hours of actual grading, blading, and stone applied. The same results with the cold patching pot hole crews....they work about 3-4 hrs total. Drive around the backroads for 2-3 hrs and then head on in for quit time. GPS showed how bad they were doing....I grabbed Pierce a couple of times to get his take on what they accomplished. One spot was Ida Maybee Rd at Banas Hardware. I asked him how long he would have taken to do what was done if he had done the same amount. His answer was the same as my estimate...3 hrs. I showed him their route and times on my laptop. It showed them on the job in the morning for 2 hrs...going to lunch for 45 min...working another hour and then driving the backroads for the rest of the day slowly heading back to Ida for quitting time at 215pm. Just laughable what some do in a days time. Same way with a grader I checked one day. Started up at 730...drove out at 810...took scenic route out to some stone roads north and west of Dundee...finally putting blade down at 945...graded slowly 5-6mph...grades till 1pm....then backroads home to quit.. arriving Ida at 205pm. Showed grader shut off at 210.
Time and time again I quizzed Pierce and all he could do is hang his head and say I'll look into it. I saw enough! Every time I saw a truck and pulled it up on the website...showed how inefficient the crews were and what they accomplished. No different with the paving crew! Same level. And you wonder why meetings were full of tension...
It's my opinion that the scrapping of the GPS system was by management to appease the union. Union negotiations were ongoing during this time. Had nothing to do with winter operations...blades down...salt being spread...I could've cared less if down and on! The biggest trouble was management not using the GPS as a tool to see what got done every day. Disciplining drivers fluffing off. Bringing the amount of work time not being best utilized to the manager's attention and the subsequent embarrassment being laid on him, no wonder the GPS system is no more.
I voted for Pierce to take on the Manager's position. I thought having continuity and sensing his desire to change the way MCRC does business, working closer for the Townships well being, let them utilize the limited funds they have to spend with a contractor to get the most value...I just wish that he had a little more Pit Bull or junk yard dog in him to deal with those that seem to drive the day to day activities.

Professor, this one's for you! The first budget history document I read showed in 2004, wages, compensation, retirement,and healthcare cost MCRC 4.5 million. In 2012 (8 years later) the very same cost had escalated to 9 million. 72 active employees...not sure on the number of retirees that MCRC pays retirement and healthcare for...80 seems to come to mind.  MCRC receives about 9.3 million through Act 51 (fuel tax) money. Some Federal Aid money, Township money, and the ole 'State Maint Contract' money. Around 20 million income. Deduct materials, fuels, and maintenance on equip and whats left?

SCF, this ones for you! You have it right! MCRC needs to be dissolved. It's present structure and what it takes to maintain it consumes all the money it takes in with very little accomplishment to the county resident's road system.
IThe state giving us more 51 money, unless it's used as what we did with Samaria Rd, receiving 5 million dollars and utilizing a contractor to do the work, will not get us not much farther ahead.

LiveWire....your turn! Remember reading how the City of Monroe made a purchase of salt? Bought 2000 tons from Detroit Salt Co for 53 dollars? Took delivery for now of 800 ton? Here's the shame that MCRC did..... In their illustrious wisdom, elected to stock up the salt needed to replenish the reserves, used the State of Michigan purchasing power of the 'MI Deal' concept purchasing 25 thousand ton at a predetermined rate of 61 dollars. Never shopped for prices...so brainwashed to use the MI Deal purchasing plan...SPENT 200K more for the very same salt. I brought this up at the last meeting in November....all they could do was say they thought MI Deal was the best price they could get. They didn't check elsewhere! There are purchasing policies that were disregarded...

So glad that Charlie took my spot...

This pretty much says it all.

So now our suspicions are confirmed.  Why is there no GPS system on the equipment?

"It's my opinion that the scrapping of the GPS system was by management to appease the union."


Any questions?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 17, 2015, 09:01:46 AM
Quote
LiveWire....your turn! Remember reading how the City of Monroe made a purchase of salt? Bought 2000 tons from Detroit Salt Co for 53 dollars? Took delivery for now of 800 ton? Here's the shame that MCRC did..... In their illustrious wisdom, elected to stock up the salt needed to replenish the reserves, used the State of Michigan purchasing power of the 'MI Deal' concept purchasing 25 thousand ton at a predetermined rate of 61 dollars. Never shopped for prices...so brainwashed to use the MI Deal purchasing plan...SPENT 200K more for the very same salt. I brought this up at the last meeting in November....all they could do was say they thought MI Deal was the best price they could get. They didn't check elsewhere! There are purchasing policies that were disregarded...

Some quick math in my head (no jokes please)...

$8.00 X 25,000 tons comes out to a 'waste' of $200,000!!!

I'll bet that would come close to buying a new single axle scraper truck for them to wreck next winter :o :o :o

Some jobs should definitely be on the line for this type of 'mismanagement'!!!

The actual savings could have even been more...

if the city got the price down to $53 on 2000 tons it stands to reason the MCRC should have been able to get the price down a little more on 12.5 times the product!!!

This is also an interesting 'point' for all those proponents of 'unified government' that are in favor of giving up our rights to save a few dollars...

apparently you don't always save those few dollars...

but you do lose so many of your rights ;) ;) ;)

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It's my opinion that the scrapping of the GPS system was by management to appease the union.

Then maybe it's time to dig the boxes out and get them working...

you know...    to appease the 'taxpayers'!!!

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 17, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
I noticed very early this morning there were parts of some roads that had some drifted snow, packed down into slick ice in many spots.  I also noticed that the road commission actually did spread some sand on these spots!!!!!!  Salt won't work in these temperatures, but sand is a very good alternative!!!!  Gives some traction, and it even seems to help break up the ice.
Doesn't jive with your earlier anti-government comment here:
They "work"?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on February 17, 2015, 03:38:34 PM
Doesn't jive with your earlier anti-government comment here:

Try to follow along...

Read slowly...

The thread is about the good and the bad (and ugly), regarding the MCRC.

I can post about BOTH, ya know.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 17, 2015, 03:51:31 PM
Try to follow along...

Read slowly...

The thread is about the good and the bad (and ugly), regarding the MCRC.

I can post about BOTH, ya know.
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Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on February 17, 2015, 05:51:45 PM
Dickweed.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2015, 08:19:43 PM
Interestingly, when Bronco McKart got off the edge of Summerfield Road and went in the ditch (between Lulu and Ida Center) and flipped the salt truck over, the MCRC had no roblem removing the truck but has a big problem removing (I estimate) about 5 tons of salt piled on the ditchbank.

I go by the regularly and there is no snow around it.  In fact it's an enviromental hazard.  Been laying there for weeks now.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 17, 2015, 08:22:25 PM
Interestingly, when Bronco McKart got off the edge of Summerfield Road and went in the ditch (between Lulu and Ida Center) and flipped the salt truck over, the MCRC had no roblem removing the truck but has a big problem removing (I estimate) about 5 tons of salt piled on the ditchbank.

I go by the regularly and there is no snow around it.  In fact it's an enviromental hazard.  Been laying there for weeks now.

That was Bronco that rolled over the truck?

I sure hope that he didn't get hurt.

It would be a shame if his part time job prevented him from making a "come back."
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2015, 08:24:52 PM
That was Bronco that rolled over the truck?

I sure hope that he didn't get hurt.

It would be a shame if his part time job prevented him from making a "come back."

Believe it or not, this is the second time (rolling a truck) in almost the same spot.

The dude needs to take a proficienct test..... ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 17, 2015, 08:39:55 PM
Believe it or not, this is the second time (rolling a truck) in almost the same spot.

The dude needs to take a proficienct test..... ;D

I am sure as Head Union Steward he gave himself a more than adequate defense for how someone could be dumb enough to role a truck twice - and in almost the same place.

Hey - isn't this kind of your field of expertise?

What would you do to a driver that did that?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2015, 11:16:52 PM
I am sure as Head Union Steward he gave himself a more than adequate defense for how someone could be dumb enough to role a truck twice - and in almost the same place.

Hey - isn't this kind of your field of expertise?

What would you do to a driver that did that?

Under our discipline rules, the first time (depending on the dollar amount of the incident), the driver would receive at least 3 days off without pay.  The second time, 5 or termination.

I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling with a punch drunk plow driver on an icy road coming at me....

I didn't know he was the steward.  Figures.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on February 18, 2015, 07:19:27 AM
I am sure as Head Union Steward he gave himself a more than adequate defense for how someone could be dumb enough to role a truck twice - and in almost the same place.

Hey - isn't this kind of your field of expertise?

What would you do to a driver that did that?


I wouldn't be surprised if they spend a couple million dollars on a study, to find out that the road was just too narrow right there.   :o :o :o

Then this summer, they will spend another couple million dollars to widen the road.   

Problem solved!!!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 18, 2015, 08:59:15 AM
I saw a plow truck (tandem but no front drift blade) go by a couple of times yesterday.  Our road has lots of pavement (well, potholes patched from one side of the road to the other) showing but some icy spots too!

They weren't doing any scraping at all that I could see but did have salt piled up over the top of the spreader so they were probably just salting intersections.  Even if it won't melt the ice it will help with some traction! 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 18, 2015, 09:51:01 AM
The driver I know defended Bronco saying that part of Summerfield is terrible.  Well whose fault is that?
Says road is crowned to much and with blade off on the berm it throws truck all over.
And he no comment on the GPS's..  Wouldn't talk about them..
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 18, 2015, 10:54:53 AM
The driver I know defended Bronco saying that part of Summerfield is terrible.  Well whose fault is that?
Says road is crowned to much and with blade off on the berm it throws truck all over.
And he no comment on the GPS's..  Wouldn't talk about them..

If we had the money we already paid for the GPS units and the extra $200K they wasted on over paying for salt we could probably re-pave that stretch of road...

or at least build a permanent salt containment system along there ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 18, 2015, 11:40:50 AM
The driver I know defended Bronco saying that part of Summerfield is terrible.  Well whose fault is that?
Says road is crowned to much and with blade off on the berm it throws truck all over.
And he no comment on the GPS's..  Wouldn't talk about them..

Well - having rolled at truck there once - you would think Bronco would have been EXTRA careful the next time around.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 20, 2015, 06:31:25 PM
Interestingly, when Bronco McKart got off the edge of Summerfield Road and went in the ditch (between Lulu and Ida Center) and flipped the salt truck over, the MCRC had no roblem removing the truck but has a big problem removing (I estimate) about 5 tons of salt piled on the ditchbank.

I go by the regularly and there is no snow around it.  In fact it's an enviromental hazard.  Been laying there for weeks now.
In other words...free salt
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 20, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
The driver I know defended Bronco saying that part of Summerfield is terrible.  Well whose fault is that?
Says road is crowned to much and with blade off on the berm it throws truck all over.
And he no comment on the GPS's..  Wouldn't talk about them..

Thats bullsiitte.  I drive that road several times a week and it's actually in pretty good shape....for Monroe County.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 20, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
In other words...free salt

Not really, paid for by taxpayers so it's not free and it needs cleaned up, it's an enviromental hazard.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 21, 2015, 04:14:41 PM
It's a Saturday and I saw a MCRC truck go both ways this afternoon.  Not sure why it's been so difficult to do this the last several years :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 24, 2015, 01:36:40 PM
The 2nd truck in a couple of hours just went by...  one each way!

I could hear the governor working both times...   they must be using lots of down pressure trying to get the edge of the pavement cleared of snow and ice....   the snow was flying so must have been working!!!  When I got out and get the mail I'll see how much of the edge of the pavement they're ripping up!!!

We have one pretty good lane...   

down the middle of the road :o :o :o

I will say I've seen way more plow trucks this year than last year ;D ;D ;D

Now, will they be able to carry it over when it comes to 'pothole' season ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on February 24, 2015, 07:17:17 PM
Yeah, I noticed some of the east-west roads are drifting bad today. 

And so far no plow trucks in sight.  BUT the roads were still passable, with four wheel drive, so I can let it slide for a day or two.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 24, 2015, 08:42:54 PM
Just returned from Saline via 23 and Summerfield.  No problems with any snow
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 25, 2015, 08:44:12 AM
Front page of the MonroeNews today...

They're trying to get something going to repair the 'key north-south artery'...   

that sounds pretty impressive doesn't it?

They got over 1200 signatures (and that was probably just the people that have bent rims or blown a tire) :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 25, 2015, 10:07:34 AM
BRD......"'key north-south artery'...   

Far as I can ascertain, all the arteries in Moron County are coagulated and need stints............. ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 25, 2015, 10:11:19 AM
I've never bent a rim or blown a tire on Moron County roads or any other for that matter but then I run high aspect ratio tires, watch my inflation pressure and drive proactively.  In Moron County (and/or Michigan in general, if it ain't at least a 70 aspect ratio and preferably a 78 or 85, it ain't worth squat).

Cars with the 'no sidewall' tires in Moron County are as useful a fry posting cut and paste..............
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 25, 2015, 10:34:00 AM
My new veh has those low profile run flats that leads me to believe I need to be really careful.  More so than in my truck with the 20's
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 25, 2015, 10:49:45 AM
I've never bent a rim or blown a tire on Moron County roads or any other for that matter but then I run high aspect ratio tires, watch my inflation pressure and drive proactively.  In Moron County (and/or Michigan in general, if it ain't at least a 70 aspect ratio and preferably a 78 or 85, it ain't worth squat).

Cars with the 'no sidewall' tires in Moron County are as useful a fry posting cut and paste..............

Driving proactively is the key word here...

if you drive like that it really doesn't matter what you have for tires and wheels ;) ;) ;)

I bent a wheel and blew the tire within a mile from home years ago on a '93 Taurus...   still had steel wheels and pretty high profile tires...   all within 2 miles from home on a road we drove almost every day!  A huge hole on the side of the road just exploded over night!!!  And so did my tire after the wheel bent and let it collapse!!!

My wife has had a couple of blowouts...   one on a pickup with high end Michelin high profile tires and one on OEM tires on a Focus...   both times were on the freeway and most likely a piece of re-rod sticking up.  Our son in law hit one like that and there were about 5 vehicles along the road with flat tires all in the same stretch!!!

Our worst experience by far was the piece of concrete that got thrown up by a pickup on M-151 a few years ago!!!  That could have been nasty :( :( :(
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 25, 2015, 01:01:01 PM
Saw a tamdem with a front mount plow come off the north south gravel road and then head by here.  Doing a little scraping although there isn't much there to scrape.  At least they are out and about and appear to be looking for places where the snow did drift!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 25, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
One of the Western Stars (that we sold them btw) with a front and belly p[low scraped our road again today...  Thats a total waste (and misue) of equipment because the wear shoes and edge on the plows wear 3 times as fast on stone and dirt as on snow.

I think they came with DD15's and allisons but I'm not sure.  I know they are weenie horsepower.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 25, 2015, 02:07:41 PM
I must be lucky then.  Never did in a wheel or tire.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 02, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
I must be lucky then.  Never did in a wheel or tire.

Be patient...

it will be another 10 years before they get all the bad roads fixed (even if this sales tax proposal does pass)...

and by then the roads that are if fair condition today will be in terrible condition tomorrow!!!

Whenever I buy new tires I put their road hazard insurance on them!!!


Took my wife and daughter and son in law to Toledo Express this morning...

came straight north from there back up to Michigan...   roads in Lenawee were just a little better than when I hit MCRC territory...   a few years ago there was a marked difference a day after a snow like yesterday...   today not so much ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on March 02, 2015, 04:36:07 PM
Be patient...

it will be another 10 years before they get all the bad roads fixed (even if this sales tax proposal does pass)...

and by then the roads that are if fair condition today will be in terrible condition tomorrow!!!

Whenever I buy new tires I put their road hazard insurance on them!!!


Took my wife and daughter and son in law to Toledo Express this morning...

came straight north from there back up to Michigan...   roads in Lenawee were just a little better than when I hit MCRC territory...   a few years ago there was a marked difference a day after a snow like yesterday...   today not so much ;) ;) ;)

The sad thing is that IF the sales tax increases from 6% to 7%, that additional percentage point in sales tax will NOT go to the roads.  Note one dime of it.

Doesn't matter, though.  I don't see how it could possibly pass.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 02, 2015, 09:09:13 PM
LCRC is in a budget constraint (like MCRC) but they at least attempt to do something.  Far as fixing roads, LCRC is light years ahead of MCRC.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 02, 2015, 09:10:40 PM
The sad thing is that IF the sales tax increases from 6% to 7%, that additional percentage point in sales tax will NOT go to the roads.  Note one dime of it.

Doesn't matter, though.  I don't see how it could possibly pass.

Lansing is pissing away a pile of money to attempt to insure it's passage...  Money that could have gone into the roads.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 02, 2015, 09:13:05 PM
Lansing is pissing away a pile of money to attempt to insure it's passage...  Money that could have gone into the roads.

The Chamber of Commerce bailed out on Snyder today...

they won't support (or oppose) the proposal...

I just posted links in the Snyder can kicking thread ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 02, 2015, 09:20:16 PM
Always good to play neutral.  That way you don't alienate membership either way.....  Smooth move.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 02, 2015, 09:21:51 PM
BTW, BRD, I thought road hazard insurance was only for the tire and nothing else...no collateral damage....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 02, 2015, 09:34:28 PM
BTW, BRD, I thought road hazard insurance was only for the tire and nothing else...no collateral damage....

Correct...  they replace and re-balance the tire with a new one.  Years ago it was all part of the package but now you have to buy it if you want it.  We drive a lot of miles and keep our vehicles a lot of miles so it seems to pay off...

the only major 'collateral damage' we had was when the chunks of concrete hit the car down on M-151...

our insurance covered that with no deductible....

Other than that a bent rim many years ago...  I fixed that myself with a used rim ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 02, 2015, 10:43:36 PM
Of interest (maybe) next time you buy tires...

Until this fall, I always had my tires mounted up town.  I always buy my tires on line, like from Tire Rack or Tire Buyer, you get a better deal (so long as you have a place to mount them) which is no biggie, lots of tire places.....

Anyway, the last set I bought, Firestones I got from Tire Buyer and I bought a tire mounting machine and balancer too (CL) so I set about mounting my own and it's not bad actually, did 5 tires off the rims and 5 on the rims in an hour, alone.

\Getting to the point....  Every new tire come with balance dots in the sidewall.  Everytime I take my tires in to be mounted, it almost always takes some weight to balance them...not this time.  I carefully put the balance dot on each tire directly in line with the valve stem on each rim.  5 out of 5, balanced perfectly (within 1/8 ounce), good enough for 100 mph.

That tells me that tire dummies in a service station and/or a tire place, never align the balance dot with the valve stem or don't know any better.

I'll mount my own, from now on.

Amazing what you find out when you do it yourself.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 02, 2015, 11:45:15 PM
Of interest (maybe) next time you buy tires...

Until this fall, I always had my tires mounted up town.  I always buy my tires on line, like from Tire Rack or Tire Buyer, you get a better deal (so long as you have a place to mount them) which is no biggie, lots of tire places.....

Anyway, the last set I bought, Firestones I got from Tire Buyer and I bought a tire mounting machine and balancer too (CL) so I set about mounting my own and it's not bad actually, did 5 tires off the rims and 5 on the rims in an hour, alone.

\Getting to the point....  Every new tire come with balance dots in the sidewall.  Everytime I take my tires in to be mounted, it almost always takes some weight to balance them...not this time.  I carefully put the balance dot on each tire directly in line with the valve stem on each rim.  5 out of 5, balanced perfectly (within 1/8 ounce), good enough for 100 mph.

That tells me that tire dummies in a service station and/or a tire place, never align the balance dot with the valve stem or don't know any better.

I'll mount my own, from now on.

Amazing what you find out when you do it yourself.

It is frustrating when I tell the tire buster to line that dot up with this point on the rim - and they flat out won't listen.

Then they get mad when I make them do it - because I am paying them to.

When they tell me it doesn't matter - I tell them it does matter.

It matters for more than just holding down on the amount of wheel weights too - it helps for a few other critical characteristics that help for pull and shimmy.

Heck - a bunch of the tire monkeys won't even spin the tire a second time after they add the amount of weight that the machine says it calls for. 

That is why I just take them into work and mount them myself most of the time..... 

They don't really seem to care if I do it on my own time. 

The weights don't cost much, and I usually play with the match mount so I use very little.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 03, 2015, 08:23:23 AM
LCRC is in a budget constraint (like MCRC) but they at least attempt to do something.  Far as fixing roads, LCRC is light years ahead of MCRC.
That comes from the top and leadership years ago... 
I've heard they do their own work and have their own equipment for many jobs -

I must be lucky then.  Never did in a wheel or tire.
It's almost like living up north and dodging deer at night - eventually the odds come together and you just hope that it's a small encounter - like one tire.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 04, 2015, 07:46:47 AM
I saw (mostly just heard so not sure how big it was) a MCRC truck go by yesterday afternoon while the freezing rain was still falling...  I could hear the blade scraping  and the road looks clear and dry this morning so they may have been salting too!

Again, I have to admit... 

this is way more than we've seen of them in the last several years ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on March 04, 2015, 10:23:49 AM
I agree. I've seen more blue trucks this year and evidence they've been here than in years.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 04, 2015, 10:52:19 AM
That comes from the top and leadership years ago... 
I've heard they do their own work and have their own equipment for many jobs
-
It's almost like living up north and dodging deer at night - eventually the odds come together and you just hope that it's a small encounter - like one tire.

Same union, same legacy costs but operate smarter.  LCRC owns their own quarry for limestone/gravel for roads, their own brine well for dust control (Don't think their well and the injection well in Summerfield twp) are the same animal....  They own their own batch plant (I think it's a Barber-Greene) for mixing bitumen and limestone to make asphalt as well.

MCRC on the other hand buys everything from outside sources...at a price point of course.

LCRC is light years ahead of MCRC.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 04, 2015, 10:53:28 AM
I agree. I've seen more blue trucks this year and evidence they've been here than in years.

It's been cold but snow event wise this year has really been pretty uneventful....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 04, 2015, 05:49:22 PM
Same union, same legacy costs but operate smarter.  LCRC owns their own quarry for limestone/gravel for roads, their own brine well for dust control (Don't think their well and the injection well in Summerfield twp) are the same animal....  They own their own batch plant (I think it's a Barber-Greene) for mixing bitumen and limestone to make asphalt as well.

MCRC on the other hand buys everything from outside sources...at a price point of course.

LCRC is light years ahead of MCRC.

I'm not sure I'd support the capital investment of a quarry and batch plant, and then have both ran by this commission.  The return on that capital investment would have to be looked at closely,,,,,,otherwise, buying it at market price may be the better of the two ways to spend the money.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 04, 2015, 08:14:41 PM
I'm not sure I'd support the capital investment of a quarry and batch plant, and then have both ran by this commission.  The return on that capital investment would have to be looked at closely,,,,,,otherwise, buying it at market price may be the better of the two ways to spend the money.
They probably own enough "land" to trade for this however... 

anyone ever figure out why they got in the land business?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on March 04, 2015, 08:43:50 PM
Should be a batch plant available on Sterns. I think  the company out of Toledo shut it down a couple years ago
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 04, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
Should be a batch plant available on Sterns. I think  the company out of Toledo shut it down a couple years ago

Sterns and 23 is Stoneco if thats the one you are referring to.  I'm not sure if anyone at the MCRC is smart enough to operate a plant.

Go read the article in this evening's MN about the truck route/townships and believe it's all bull**** from Scott.  That guy is a turd packer.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 05, 2015, 07:43:34 AM
Same union, same legacy costs but operate smarter.  LCRC owns their own quarry for limestone/gravel for roads, their own brine well for dust control (Don't think their well and the injection well in Summerfield twp) are the same animal....  They own their own batch plant (I think it's a Barber-Greene) for mixing bitumen and limestone to make asphalt as well.

MCRC on the other hand buys everything from outside sources...at a price point of course.

LCRC is light years ahead of MCRC.

MCRC was in the 'paving' business until about a year ago...

I posted pictures one time about their 'left over' equipment parked out behind the garage...   lots and lots of bucks tied up there!!!  I wonder if they've ever sold it and if so what kind of return they got on their original purchase price ;) ;) ;)

But, for whatever reason at least now they're back in the 'plowing and salting' business...

that's an improvement and if they got there by contracting out the paving then that appears to have been a good decision...

If they owned and operated their own stone operation they'd end up with all their trucks down in the pit and unable to get back up ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 05, 2015, 09:42:31 AM
MCRC was in the 'paving' business until about a year ago...

I posted pictures one time about their 'left over' equipment parked out behind the garage...   lots and lots of bucks tied up there!!!  I wonder if they've ever sold it and if so what kind of return they got on their original purchase price ;) ;) ;)

But, for whatever reason at least now they're back in the 'plowing and salting' business...

that's an improvement and if they got there by contracting out the paving then that appears to have been a good decision...

If they owned and operated their own stone operation they'd end up with all their trucks down in the pit and unable to get back up ;D ;D ;D
Wonder if they got out of the mowing business?
didn't see them parked along the roadside anywhere this winter  ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 05, 2015, 10:06:13 AM
Far as I can tell, their big business is the legacy cost business, like 80% of their operating budget.

Wonder what happens when legacy costs become 100% of their budget? (and it will at some point, not too far off.............)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 05, 2015, 10:07:52 AM
Far as I can tell, their big business is the legacy cost business, like 80% of their operating budget.

Wonder what happens when legacy costs become 100% of their budget? (and it will at some point, not too far off.............)

Any idea where they stand with the other 82 counties in Michigan on this?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 05, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
I guess this should be here too...

current road funding info:

http://bcroad.org/funding.pdf (http://bcroad.org/funding.pdf)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 06, 2015, 09:18:10 AM
Noticed a fresh cold patch...  are they out filling potholes this early?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 06, 2015, 07:39:31 PM
Noticed a fresh cold patch...  are they out filling potholes this early?

Looking at many of the roads they sure should be...

They've been busy for a month in Toledo fixing them!!!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 06, 2015, 07:48:00 PM
Sterns and 23 is Stoneco if thats the one you are referring to.  I'm not sure if anyone at the MCRC is smart enough to operate a plant.

Go read the article in this evening's MN about the truck route/townships and believe it's all bull**** from Scott.  That guy is a turd packer.


I see they finally posted the article online:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/mar/06/townships-passing-ordinances-truck-routes-help-str/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/mar/06/townships-passing-ordinances-truck-routes-help-str/)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 06, 2015, 09:25:17 PM
I see they finally posted the article online:

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/mar/06/townships-passing-ordinances-truck-routes-help-str/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/mar/06/townships-passing-ordinances-truck-routes-help-str/[/url])


Read it carefully but note that Asspacker fough it tooth and nail with Summerfirld Township and Ottawa Lake and then turned around and claimed it was his.

The guy makes any amateur look professional........
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 07, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
Read it carefully but note that Asspacker fough it tooth and nail with Summerfirld Township and Ottawa Lake and then turned around and claimed it was his.

The guy makes any amateur look professional........

Sounds like he's an 'asspiring' politician ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 07, 2015, 11:32:03 AM
Would that new ordinance - require the roads to going back to being named as truck routes with proper signage?   like    151 for instance?   or will the trucks that are looking to get around traffic on 75 just have to play hit or miss?

Also, curious how a Twp Supervisor stops trucks...  :o
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: CatLady on March 07, 2015, 11:34:28 AM
Would that new ordinance - require the roads to going back to being named as truck routes with proper signage?   like    151 for instance?   or will the trucks that are looking to get around traffic on 75 just have to play hit or miss?

Also, curious how a Twp Supervisor stops trucks...  :o

Yes, the truck routes would be posted.  And the township supervisor calls the MDOT or the sheriff.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 07, 2015, 11:41:17 AM
Would that new ordinance - require the roads to going back to being named as truck routes with proper signage?   like    151 for instance?   or will the trucks that are looking to get around traffic on 75 just have to play hit or miss?

Also, curious how a Twp Supervisor stops trucks...  :o

I've stopped them before...

just flag them down and if they stop then you ask them what you want to know!

Maybe there is some ancient archaic law that gives a Township Supervisor some kind of police power over their local roads within their township...

I've seen stranger things :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on March 07, 2015, 12:09:51 PM
Id be happy if my township super stopped illegal trucks. The report to Sheriff
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 07, 2015, 12:21:30 PM
Id be happy if my township super stopped illegal trucks. The report to Sheriff
I've helped trucks and other vehicles that "appear lost"... 
and those are likely the ones to be punished by such ordinances.

I doubt that trucks are using back roads to bypass anything other than accidents - unless they are doing local business, and isn't there something that allows them to make deliveries and such?    Just curious - as I don't really know much about truckers other than my neighbors who do the US Mail...

Modern GPS technology doesn't tell you if your re-route is done on Class A roads - so I guess going back to the old County Road designation would mean something -   It sure means that 151 would have never deteriorated as bad as it did - - - curious now if the redo meets "Class A road standards"...
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 07, 2015, 12:29:34 PM
Would that new ordinance - require the roads to going back to being named as truck routes with proper signage?   like    151 for instance?   or will the trucks that are looking to get around traffic on 75 just have to play hit or miss?

Also, curious how a Twp Supervisor stops trucks...  :o

I want my Twp Supervisor to stop Randy Richardville and arrest him for impersonating an elected official whose only intent was to work for his constituents instead of himself.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 07, 2015, 12:31:21 PM
......and then give him an Indian Dutch rub and take a picture and post it on this site.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 07, 2015, 03:12:06 PM
......and then give him an Indian Dutch rub and take a picture and post it on this site.

or a few stooge slaps...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZgVRJ-H8U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZgVRJ-H8U#)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 07, 2015, 03:51:42 PM
LOL.....those guys still make me chuckle.  I always like the double slaps, good stuff.

The look on RR face after getting one would just be precious. 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 07, 2015, 08:36:03 PM
......and then give him an Indian Dutch rub and take a picture and post it on this site.

Probably lacerate his hand giving Randy a dutch rub, his hair is so stiff from hairspray.....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 07, 2015, 08:43:59 PM
I've helped trucks and other vehicles that "appear lost"... 
and those are likely the ones to be punished by such ordinances.

I doubt that trucks are using back roads to bypass anything other than accidents - unless they are doing local business, and isn't there something that allows them to make deliveries and such?    Just curious - as I don't really know much about truckers other than my neighbors who do the US Mail...

Modern GPS technology doesn't tell you if your re-route is done on Class A roads - so I guess going back to the old County Road designation would mean something -   It sure means that 151 would have never deteriorated as bad as it did - - - curious now if the redo meets "Class A road standards"...

In the article, asspacker mentions 'bypassing weigh scales' as a reason for heavy trucks on non truck highways.

I have no idea what spaceship asspacker flew in on but the only weigh scales I'm aware of are the noteh and Southbound side of I 75 at Luna Pier and the set at M50 and 12 at Cambridge Junction.  Thats it other than the weigh in motion scales on US23 North, south of the rest area that haven't been used in years, the set on Dixie Highway north of Rauch that hyaven't been used in years (don't think they even work and the pull off on US 233 on the southbound side in front of Kapinick Insurance in Adrian for portables.

None of the scales mentioned above would lead to any truck traffic in Monroe County bring on secondary roads, bypassing them.

Asspacker is FOS.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: CatLady on March 07, 2015, 10:14:19 PM

I doubt that trucks are using back roads to bypass anything other than accidents - unless they are doing local business, and isn't there something that allows them to make deliveries and such?    Just curious - as I don't really know much about truckers other than my neighbors who do the US Mail...


Exemptions:

    The truck route limitations prescribed in this Ordinance shall not apply to:
(a)   Fire trucks or other emergency vehicles or vehicles on emergency business involved in the saving of life or property, or
(b)   Implements of husbandry used in the transportation of produce from the field or farmstead to the point of sale or incidentally moved upon a road; provided that, the most direct route to a designated truck route is used, or
(c)   Road repair, construction or maintenance vehicles while involved in the repair, construction or maintenance of road within Monroe County, or
(d)   The operation of any while on any officially recognized established detour, or
(e)   Garbage service vehicles while involved in the provision of services to residents of the Township,
(f)   Trucks operated in accordance with the Haul and Maintenance Agreement or the Special Haul Agreement applicable to the truck,
(g)   Delivery and service call vehicles may use township roads while making a delivery, pick-up or service call.  This exemption does not apply if any of the following are true:
a.   The truck is not using the most direct route to or from the location of the delivery, pick-up or service call and a road on the truck route,
b.   The truck is violating a seasonal, posted or special weight restriction,
c.   The truck is violating a Haul and Maintenance Agreement, or a Special Haul Route Agreement, or
d.   The truck is part of road usage that the County Highway Engineer has determined is “abnormal use.”
(h)   Trucks leaving or returning to its customary storage location at the owner’s or operator’s personal residence, or a commercial or industrial location in the Township, provided the most direct route to and from a designated truck route is utilized and provided that said vehicle is not loaded.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 08, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
(d)   The operation of any while on any officially recognized established detour

Not sure what that means - does it imply the detour has to be established by the township or the police?   Usually they are pretty busy with whatever caused the backups and in some cases just make you exit - without telling you where to detour to...
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 08, 2015, 10:52:26 AM
Exemptions:

    The truck route limitations prescribed in this Ordinance shall not apply to:
(a)   Fire trucks or other emergency vehicles or vehicles on emergency business involved in the saving of life or property, or
(b)   Implements of husbandry used in the transportation of produce from the field or farmstead to the point of sale or incidentally moved upon a road; provided that, the most direct route to a designated truck route is used, or
(c)   Road repair, construction or maintenance vehicles while involved in the repair, construction or maintenance of road within Monroe County, or
(d)   The operation of any while on any officially recognized established detour, or
(e)   Garbage service vehicles while involved in the provision of services to residents of the Township,
(f)   Trucks operated in accordance with the Haul and Maintenance Agreement or the Special Haul Agreement applicable to the truck,
(g)   Delivery and service call vehicles may use township roads while making a delivery, pick-up or service call.  This exemption does not apply if any of the following are true:
a.   The truck is not using the most direct route to or from the location of the delivery, pick-up or service call and a road on the truck route,
b.   The truck is violating a seasonal, posted or special weight restriction,
c.   The truck is violating a Haul and Maintenance Agreement, or a Special Haul Route Agreement, or
d.   The truck is part of road usage that the County Highway Engineer has determined is “abnormal use.”
(h)   Trucks leaving or returning to its customary storage location at the owner’s or operator’s personal residence, or a commercial or industrial location in the Township, provided the most direct route to and from a designated truck route is utilized and provided that said vehicle is not loaded.

If it's not loaded, it ain't making squat/  An empty truck is a liability...to the owner.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: CatLady on March 08, 2015, 12:12:23 PM
(d)   The operation of any while on any officially recognized established detour

Not sure what that means - does it imply the detour has to be established by the township or the police?   Usually they are pretty busy with whatever caused the backups and in some cases just make you exit - without telling you where to detour to...

Established by MCRC...for long term detours, not ones caused by accidents.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 08, 2015, 12:15:37 PM
CL......wish you would have tried to get one of those appointed positions.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: CatLady on March 08, 2015, 12:25:35 PM
Well, I don't see the good old boy club letting a damn woman in - might have too much sense.   ;D  Besides, then I won't be able to sit on the other side of the table and give them grief!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: The Fuzz on March 08, 2015, 12:49:39 PM
I think it would have been worth a shot, and understand the bias.  There is fun however sitting on that offensive side of the table, I agree 100%!   ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 08, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
In the article, asspacker mentions 'bypassing weigh scales' as a reason for heavy trucks on non truck highways.

I have no idea what spaceship asspacker flew in on but the only weigh scales I'm aware of are the noteh and Southbound side of I 75 at Luna Pier and the set at M50 and 12 at Cambridge Junction.  Thats it other than the weigh in motion scales on US23 North, south of the rest area that haven't been used in years, the set on Dixie Highway north of Rauch that hyaven't been used in years (don't think they even work and the pull off on US 233 on the southbound side in front of Kapinick Insurance in Adrian for portables.

None of the scales mentioned above would lead to any truck traffic in Monroe County bring on secondary roads, bypassing them.

Asspacker is FOS.

That's Telegraph north of Rauch.  Although I haven't seen the 'open' sign on for several years it's not uncommon to see a truck in there and the weight truck sitting beside it using the 'portable' scales.  Much safer setting in there than alongside the road.  I haven't tried it for years but we used to pull in an pull on the scale when they were closed and you could see your vehicle weight light up inside.  It wasn't perfectly accurate because no one in there to 'zero' it out but it was obviously close!  I'll have to try it and see 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 08, 2015, 05:13:34 PM
I believe the pit is flooded and the sensors shorted out.  I meant Telegraph, not Dixie.  The MDot portables will be hot and heavy at 151 and Telegraph starting Monday as the frost laws are on and not many truckers know that it's Class B past Leonards spud farm.

Locals do, out of staters don't.  What a piggy bank for the library.....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 11, 2015, 09:32:54 AM
I believe the pit is flooded and the sensors shorted out.  I meant Telegraph, not Dixie.  The MDot portables will be hot and heavy at 151 and Telegraph starting Monday as the frost laws are on and not many truckers know that it's Class B past Leonards spud farm.

Locals do, out of staters don't.  What a piggy bank for the library.....

Someone posted just in the last few days wondering if it was still a Class A road 'after' the rebuild!

So...    did Leonard's get a 'special favor' in this case ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 11, 2015, 12:19:45 PM
Leonards has had an 'exception' for decades and 151 is all Class A except right now.  It's Class A to Leonards then B to the tank farm.  A from the tank farm to 23 to 223 and beyond.

I give it 3 years outside and it will be junk anyway.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 11, 2015, 12:56:10 PM
Here's one of the MCRC's latest pieces of equipment...

makes them much more efficient when plowing snow on 'low traffic' roads...

looks like now they can take down a mailbox on one side of the road and a newspaper box on the opposite side of the road at the same time ;) ;) ;)

Maybe this is part of the reason we're seeing more 'results' this winter ;) ;) ;)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOro5lkRb4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOro5lkRb4#)

This is on the front page of the MCRC website along with some info on the sales tax increase proposal:

http://www.mcrc-mi.org/ (http://www.mcrc-mi.org/)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 13, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
I've seen them out patching a few potholes...

at this rate the potholes are winning the race though ;D ;D ;D

The truck I've seen is just a heavy duty pickup with a small dump body on it.  Maybe the big trucks would be too heavy to use on restricted roads?  Or maybe they don't want to take the salt spreaders off yet 'just in case'!

Anyway, glad to see them out.  It does seem like it's earlier than usual so maybe some of their winter improvements are going to carry over into spring pothole repair season ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on March 17, 2015, 07:19:39 AM
If anyone is paying attention at the MCRC, they will notice that the dirt roads are in better shape this Spring because they were kept plowed of snow all winter, for the most part.  They thaw and dry out much faster when they don't have 8 inches of ice packed on top of the road surface.  Once the roads are dry, they can be lightly scraped to smooth out the bumps, and they're good to go.  They won't be spending nearly as much money on stone this spring, to try to repair sections of road that have turned into a mud bog.

It's just common sense.  Something that has been missing from the road commission for years.


Most of the dirt roads I travel on are looking pretty good, relatively speaking.  Better shape than some roads in Washtenaw County.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on March 17, 2015, 09:39:09 AM
I'm thinking the previous leader of the MCRC was a complete idiot
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 17, 2015, 09:56:41 AM
The current leader is an idiot as well, just not as big an idiot as Pennrod was.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 17, 2015, 10:02:06 AM
Here's one of the MCRC's latest pieces of equipment...

makes them much more efficient when plowing snow on 'low traffic' roads...

looks like now they can take down a mailbox on one side of the road and a newspaper box on the opposite side of the road at the same time ;) ;) ;)

Maybe this is part of the reason we're seeing more 'results' this winter ;) ;) ;)

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOro5lkRb4]www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOro5lkRb4[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOro5lkRb4#[/url])

This is on the front page of the MCRC website along with some info on the sales tax increase proposal:

[url]http://www.mcrc-mi.org/[/url] ([url]http://www.mcrc-mi.org/[/url])


Don't let McKart anywhere near that.  He can't keep the 'rubber side down' on a normal road......

Now I know why they have been 'plowing' in my front yard.....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on March 17, 2015, 10:15:16 AM
BRD,  now that's what I call plowing snow.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 17, 2015, 05:17:14 PM
Figured I'd better go back and correct my piss poor spelling....  One of those days.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on April 30, 2015, 07:11:46 AM
In the Independent last night...

I love that paper...  they put the paper dated 'today' out yesterday... 

works out good...   I can check the obituaries and make sure I'm not there yet ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

MCRC has closed on the sale of the Dundee 'tornado' property...  sold for $180K after they put about $40K into it for cleanup!

Hopefully they'll take that money and buy some hot patch material...   I haven't seen a truck out patching for a few weeks now >:( >:( >:(

Pierce says they don't have any plans to do anything with the Summerfield property at this time...  "The plan right now it to maintain what we have"!

He also noted that Ida-West road is in line to get federal funding for a rebuild...  I'm not sure what criteria determines when the feds hand out $$$ but wish they'd hand out some more 8) 8) 8)

Lots of talk about Plank road...   

"maybe" it will get done next year :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on April 30, 2015, 07:51:47 AM
Maybe everything is on "Hold" so they can make the roads even worse - prompting voters to vote ?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Maverick on April 30, 2015, 09:03:59 AM
Plank rd repaving is supposed to be completed this year in Raisinville twp and on the other end in Milan twp. The main obstacle is the 5 miles or so in London twp. It has a price tag in the millions through the poorest twp in the county. London simply can't help like Dundee, Raisinville and Milan can so that stretch will be completely on the Road Commissions shoulder unless some state money shakes loose for it.
Mav
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on April 30, 2015, 09:14:06 AM
Plank rd repaving is supposed to be completed this year in Raisinville twp and on the other end in Milan twp. The main obstacle is the 5 miles or so in London twp. It has a price tag in the millions through the poorest twp in the county. London simply can't help like Dundee, Raisinville and Milan can so that stretch will be completely on the Road Commissions shoulder unless some state money shakes loose for it.
Mav


Mav, do you know who is doing the work?  It's not MCRC, is it?

I hope they use actual PAVEMENT, rather than the black paint they used on Tuttle Hill Road last year.  That road is already trashed.  Million and a half dollars, and it's wasted.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 30, 2015, 09:59:19 AM
I think they took the crushed concrete from M151 and put it on Tuttle Hill with black paint added.  Sort of a black gravel road.  Total waste of tax dollars.

BTW, M151 is starting to crack (after less than a year).  Great job.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 30, 2015, 10:03:56 AM
In the Independent last night...

I love that paper...  they put the paper dated 'today' out yesterday... 

works out good...   I can check the obituaries and make sure I'm not there yet ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

MCRC has closed on the sale of the Dundee 'tornado' property...  sold for $180K after they put about $40K into it for cleanup!

Hopefully they'll take that money and buy some hot patch material...   I haven't seen a truck out patching for a few weeks now >:( >:( >:(

Pierce says they don't have any plans to do anything with the Summerfield property at this time...  "The plan right now it to maintain what we have"!

He also noted that Ida-West road is in line to get federal funding for a rebuild...  I'm not sure what criteria determines when the feds hand out $$$ but wish they'd hand out some more 8) 8) 8)
Lots of talk about Plank road...   

"maybe" it will get done next year :-\ :-\ :-\

Plank is 100 times worse than Ida West.  I drive it often to go into Toledo.  Welcome back btw, I missed you.  Got your spuds in the cellar.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Maverick on April 30, 2015, 11:13:47 AM

Mav, do you know who is doing the work?  It's not MCRC, is it?

I hope they use actual PAVEMENT, rather than the black paint they used on Tuttle Hill Road last year.  That road is already trashed.  Million and a half dollars, and it's wasted.
They are supposed to bid it out. Road Commission got rid of their paver for obvious reasons. Obvious to reasonably intelligent people anyways !!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on April 30, 2015, 02:44:36 PM

Mav, do you know who is doing the work?  It's not MCRC, is it?

I hope they use actual PAVEMENT, rather than the black paint they used on Tuttle Hill Road last year.  That road is already trashed.  Million and a half dollars, and it's wasted.

That is special black paint Live.

Don't underestimate it!

 ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on April 30, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
Black paint   -  or  - Red Ink...   neither works
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Maverick on April 30, 2015, 05:13:41 PM
That is special black paint Live.

Don't underestimate it!

 ;)
disappearing
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on May 01, 2015, 07:42:33 AM
That is special black paint Live.

Don't underestimate it!

 ;)

They've already cold-patched the areas where it has failed.  Huge holes in the road. 

To "repave" the road last year, they ground up what little pavement was there, literally spread gravel on top, did a halfassed job of leveling and compacting it, then sprayed some black tar paint on top of it.  No asphalt was used.

So they actually patched a gravel road.  The cold patch material is harder and stronger than the rest of the road.

Fvcking morons.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: ytrewq on May 01, 2015, 08:50:04 AM
Plank is 100 times worse than Ida West.  I drive it often to go into Toledo.  Welcome back btw, I missed you.  Got your spuds in the cellar.

The portion of Ida West from just east to just west of 23 ramps is pretty bad, and is of different construction from the roads on either side.   They didn't touch the approaches when they rehabbed the bridge several years ago.   Maybe that's what they are talking about?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 01, 2015, 09:39:15 AM
The portion of Ida West from just east to just west of 23 ramps is pretty bad, and is of different construction from the roads on either side.   They didn't touch the approaches when they rehabbed the bridge several years ago.   Maybe that's what they are talking about?

The resdt of the road is acceptable but they want to do it all.  Know why?  Because their service yard is there, thats why.  Typical narrow focus thinking by the supreme Moron county idiots.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 13, 2015, 08:58:09 AM
I was kind of hoping I'd see the MCRC crews out patching potholes again after the election...

but haven't seen a thing.  The holes are getting bigger and bigger again :( :( :(

Maybe I'm just missing them where I travel...

I've got an idea...

why not put GPS transponders on them so we could see where they are ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 13, 2015, 09:07:49 AM
I saw a post last week in one of the threads asking what we had for a backup plan to get through the roads if the tax hike failed and our FULL TIME LEGISLATURE couldn't come up with a 'plan'...

you know, the 'plan' our wonderful Governor promised us six long, long years ago when he was first campaigning...

Anyway...

personally I'm working on plan 'F'...

plan F100 to be precise.

Our son hasn't driven his '78 F100 in a few years so it's probably time to get it back on the road.

It has a body lift and 38.5 Super Swampers...

Power is a small block 400...

throw a thousand pounds in the bed and I don't think there are too many Moron County roads it can't handle year 'round!!!

Fast it's not but then again even our best roads aren't very fast anymore...

although it's at it's best in bottomless mud pits I'm guessing there will be enough other vehicles in the bottom of the mud holes that it should be able to handle them just fine.

Same with snow...   you're going to have to have some, long, deep drifts that it can't blast through...

and if the roads are that bad then I probably shouldn't be out and about anyway ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 13, 2015, 09:37:08 AM
Plan F sounds like a good plan.  I'm gonna plate my ADV bike for the street.  Has large diameter tires and lots of suspension travel to roll over potholes unfettered.  No point in squaring expensive car rims in craters in the road surface....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on May 13, 2015, 09:39:29 AM
I haven't had to much trouble with pot holes in my Ram with big 20" rubber on it.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 13, 2015, 09:48:44 AM
It's not the diameter of the tire/rim, it's the height of the sidewall (aspect ratio) that saves your bacon.  Those wide swoopy low pro tires on sporty cars with expensive rims (45-50-55-60) aspect ratio skinny sidewall tires are the ones that fail when hitting a hole.

Most are 2 ply sidewall anyway, too much flex and the tire compresses to the rim on encountering a hole, and fails plus the rim is shot.

I run 31-10.50 -16's AT's on my truck, inflated to 70 pounds and 78 aspect ratio tires on my car.  Never had a tire or rim failure but I buy 4 ply sidewall tires for everything.  Might ride a bit harder but at least they have less failures.

Not into the swoopy, no sidewall tires anyway, at least not in Michigan....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Frenchfry on May 13, 2015, 09:54:35 AM
Saw someone put some real fat low profile tire and rims on a vehicle just before winter set in and thought it was pretty idiotic thing to do considering how bad the roads are.

Thought for sure that fool would be replacing a tire and rim in short order...but amazingly he hasn't had any problems.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 13, 2015, 09:56:10 AM
Saw someone put some real fat low profile tire and rims on a vehicle just before winter set in and thought it was pretty idiotic thing to do considering how bad the roads are.

Thought for sure that fool would be replacing a tire and rim in short order...but amazingly he hasn't had any problems.

He needs to make a quick jaunt down Plank Road.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Maverick on May 13, 2015, 06:12:34 PM
There's brand new pavement on Plank rd from the US23 overpass to I think Sanford rd. Looks like it was laid pretty nicely so it was for sure not done by the Road Commission.

Mav
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 13, 2015, 09:59:09 PM
There's brand new pavement on Plank rd from the US23 overpass to I think Sanford rd. Looks like it was laid pretty nicely so it was for sure not done by the Road Commission.

Mav

I will say there is a very noticible difference in quality between the MCRC and a private contractor, seen that myself....lol
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 13, 2015, 10:01:28 PM
If you get time, take a ride down Rauch between Lewis and Telegraph.  It's coming apart east of Lewis real nice.  Thats quality paving right there.....  Any warranty?  bet not.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on May 13, 2015, 10:17:54 PM
Just came down Albain from Strasburg.  After about a mile Albain was replaced at least as far as Lewis.  And Lewis still has the crappy section between Albain and Samaria rd
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 13, 2015, 10:34:56 PM
If you want a real Moron County road experience, take a ride (not too fast) south on Petersburg Road from M50 to Ida West.  It's a real trip.  You have half assed MCRC surfacing mingled with pot holes, crumbling berms and a road that will make yolu seasick....

Best part, it's Class A and driving a truck on it with opposing traffic is an experience in terror.

I run the dirt to Dundee (McCarty to Dennison to Cake to Riley Stree).  Smoother and no dramimine needed.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 13, 2015, 10:36:41 PM
Just came down Albain from Strasburg.  After about a mile Albain was replaced at least as far as Lewis.  And Lewis still has the crappy section between Albain and Samaria rd

Thats to keep locals from speeding (even though I see a cop sitting in the banquet hall and/or Agri-Parts parking lot quite often.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on May 14, 2015, 08:43:34 AM
That could be true about the speeders.  But there is one section  of Strasburg  with about 10 very large pot holes all in one area.  Can't imagine it would take much effort to fill those.  I'm happy I didn't hit one of them.  They are some of the worst
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 14, 2015, 10:48:52 AM
As a rule, I don't traverse Strasburg.  No reason to.  No pothole visitatioin for me.  From Ipperlie's toward 50, Strasburg is fine.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on May 19, 2015, 06:38:23 AM
Thats to keep locals from speeding (even though I see a cop sitting in the banquet hall and/or Agri-Parts parking lot quite often.

He is just texting or playing with his phone.

Don't worry about him.....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 19, 2015, 09:33:37 AM
I still haven't seen the MCRC out patching potholes lately...

are they all done for the year?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: arpydave on May 19, 2015, 07:56:19 PM
Anybody care to tryout and give their impression of the section of Samaria road that had the new technology treatment? I'm not currently in the area to try it myself.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on May 19, 2015, 08:52:24 PM
Just came down Albain from Strasburg.  After about a mile Albain was replaced at least as far as Lewis.  And Lewis still has the crappy section between Albain and Samaria rd

Yeah couldn't figure that out at all?     VIP live in that stretch?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on May 19, 2015, 09:00:31 PM
Yeah couldn't figure that out at all?     VIP live in that stretch?

Union Member in the Road Commission?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on May 19, 2015, 09:02:36 PM
As a rule, I don't traverse Strasburg.  No reason to.  No pothole visitatioin for me.  From Ipperlie's toward 50, Strasburg is fine.
Yep My neighborhood -  just a jot around the corner to the Golf Course.    And so far they keep Dunbar a Class A road in pretty good shape (Knocking on wood)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on May 19, 2015, 09:05:31 PM
Can't say I've seen any road crews out -    maybe they are all servicing the Mowers they left outside all year?

My question is should I call about the lack of stones on the shoulder?  (as they are all in my yard from the snow plows doing the shoulders) ...   or just hope that they miss them and not have to mow stones for a few weeks next spring  ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 19, 2015, 11:38:10 PM
Yep My neighborhood -  just a jot around the corner to the Golf Course.    And so far they keep Dunbar a Class A road in pretty good shape (Knocking on wood)

I know Tom.  I guess if I golfed I could play on his course....  I don't play however.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on May 20, 2015, 07:06:25 AM
I know Tom.  I guess if I golfed I could play on his course....  I don't play however.

Me either.

If I want to get out into nature I prefer the woods, with a firearm.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on May 20, 2015, 08:26:04 AM
Tom does have a nice collection of trophy's...     I've only fished with him at their lake cottage.   My wife and his younger sister grew up and have been best friends forever.

I have 5 acres of woods but enjoy walking more than hunting - and it's too close to the golf course so I only allow Bow hunting...  ;D  no sense taking a chance 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 28, 2015, 11:33:04 AM
They did patch 'some' of the holes in our stretch of road earlier this week and I saw them driving slow again this morning...   hopefully looking for some more potholes to 'jump out in front of them' ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on May 28, 2015, 11:39:01 AM
Saw a pic on Facebook where residents in some small town planted flowers in the pot holes.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on May 28, 2015, 02:54:10 PM
I was driving through historic Lambertville - it wasn't there!

Looks like the "historic" thing is the old school building?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 29, 2015, 08:09:25 AM
Saw a pic on Facebook where residents in some small town planted flowers in the pot holes.

At least they're doing something...

I saw an article yesterday where the head bean counter says he 'hopes' we'll have a long term funding solution by this fall...

that doesn't sound too optimistic :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: nails on May 29, 2015, 08:13:59 AM

There's a sign by Ye Olde Schoolhouse in L'ville that says . . .

the school bus convex mirror system was invented by a Lambertville bus driver.

I guess that's historic in some regard.

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on June 13, 2015, 10:02:57 AM
There's a sign by Ye Olde Schoolhouse in L'ville that says . . .

the school bus convex mirror system was invented by a Lambertville bus driver.

I guess that's historic in some regard.


(http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2009/10/11/800x_b1_cCM_z/Bedford-principal-honored-for-school-bus-safety-mirror.jpg)

Related article from The Blade:

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2009/10/11/Bedford-principal-honored-for-school-bus-safety-mirror.html (http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2009/10/11/Bedford-principal-honored-for-school-bus-safety-mirror.html)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on June 13, 2015, 10:08:06 AM
Our road shoulders were mowed this week but it wasn't done by MCRC mowers...

maybe they're still all in the garage getting repaired from setting outside all winter last year ;) ;) ;)

John Deere tractors with flail mowers...   the MCRC uses all rotary mowers I believe.

They have one rear mounted one set off to the right hand side of the tractor and then a side mount that they can get down in the ditch with.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 13, 2015, 10:19:07 AM
I saw the MCRC mow crew (with the progressively more ratty looking NH's) on Telegraph near Temperance Road the other day.  Leaving them in the elements in the winter is taking a toll on the units......
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 13, 2015, 10:22:16 AM
Caught a small piece in the paper about 'chip sealing' 20 Monroe County roads.  What a total waste of taxpayer money, but then, isn't that what the MCRC does best....  waste money?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on June 13, 2015, 10:23:57 AM
They bid out some of the work...    not sure what the specs are and how they pick the routes.    Mine used to get done twice - just before the Fair.. and in the fall - now it's down to once if you're lucky.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 13, 2015, 10:46:36 AM
When I was a kid growing up in Cleveland, thats what the city did to the alleyways behind the houses, chipsealed them.  My, haven't we digressed today.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on July 17, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
Another MCRC truck rolled over yesterday.  This one was avoiding a car that had pulled out in front of them.  Two MCRC employees with minor injuries and possibly another MCRC truck that will have to be replaced.  I wonder how much they pay for vehicle insurance a year?

Article on page 3 of the Monroe News yesterday (7/16).

Interesting that N. Raisinville is the line between Raisinville and Frenchtown townships and yet it was the Exeter Fire and Rescue that responded to the scene :-\ :-\ :-\

I've heard several calls lately where LMR had very delayed responses for calls. 

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 17, 2015, 01:17:23 PM
They will be ordering a new unit from us then.  Certainly an insurance job.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on July 24, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
Found this on the MCRC website:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCkR9D8HSWU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCkR9D8HSWU#)

Can anyone ID where this is?  I thought I saw Newport on something but can't find it now.

Interesting that the MCRC doesn't want any comments posted on YouTube although they did post this themselves:

Quote
Published on Jun 3, 2015
The Monroe County Road Commission is always trying to find new cost effective ways of maintaining the road system. The Road Commission is shown here using a Durapatcher or spray patcher to seal pot holes and sections of road that have cracked up and are in need of repair, the Road Commission is trying to seal the edge before it becomes one big pot hole requiring costly repairs.


Our road needs about 18-24" on both edges of the road sprayed with this thing.  I haven't seen it out and about anywhere either :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: nails on July 24, 2015, 11:26:09 AM

Jeeeezz . . . . Sure looks like a slow way of paving a berm.

I haven't seen this in my area.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 24, 2015, 10:28:44 PM
Look to me to be an expensive machine paid for with taxpayer funds, that basically does nothing that a shovel and rake cannot do.

Sounds like a toilet flushing too..
Title: 25 homeowners ordered to remove brick, stone mailboxes by road commission
Post by: BigRedDog on July 25, 2015, 08:19:58 AM
No, not here in Monroe County but over on the west side of the state.  I'm assuming the guidelines should be the same statewide though.  There are more than a few of these in Monroe County too and they're not all in subdivisions!!!

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/07/stone_mailboxes.html#incart_river (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/07/stone_mailboxes.html#incart_river)


(http://imgick.mlive.com/home/mlive-media/width960/img/kalamazoogazette/photo/2015/07/23/-4a9b44ba724847bd.jpg)

It isn't just mailboxes either.  I see planters and other pretty solid looking landscaping installed in the road right of way.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on July 25, 2015, 09:18:01 AM
A guy in Bedford built one of these last year by the road for his mail and paper and someone made him remove it.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 25, 2015, 10:26:07 AM
Reason being is, if you have a plow truck driver like McCart (that has trouble keeping the truck on the road) anything in  the right of way has to be able to be broken away without damaging roiad commis equipment....

If they run into an immovable object, you, as the property owner foots the repair bill...
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: arpydave on July 25, 2015, 11:13:59 AM
Years back, when we first moved into our home, I had to put in our roadside mailbox. The previous occupants opted to use a PO box and being a fairly new house it never had one.

I went out and bought a treated lumber stanchion and a mailbox. Almost all mailboxes you buy will indicate that it complies with USPS regulations. Grabbed the 'ol post hole digger, picked a spot and away I went.

Within, I would say, a week or 10 days we had a nice little brochure type dealie in with our delivered mail from the USPS on mailboxes and their installation specs. Polite but subtle notice that what was good for us was not good for them.

It covered the setback from the curbside/roadside distance and height (to minimize delivering person reach), of which I had failed to do.

It also indicated that the mount for a roadside install was to be "collapsible" upon impacts, just like SCF was pointing out.

And so, while it may not be a law or local ordinance, it may be a USPS requirement or regulation.

Punishment would be non-delivery of your mail.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on July 25, 2015, 11:25:19 AM
There is no facet of life that this Government can't regulate if you give them the opportunity.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 25, 2015, 10:25:44 PM
There is no facet of life that this Government can't regulate if you give them the opportunity.

Mailbox height and accessability on a rural route (like ours) is important.  Having said that and having my box smashed so many times, I built my own from 1/4" plate steel.  It's at the required height and spaced off the road at the required distance (I cut a cut in with the loader so our carrier could drive right up).  My indestructo box has the approval of the post office that delivers our mail btw.

It's still on a 4x4 PT post so it can break but the box stays intact.

Sheet metal boxes out here don't have a prayer of lasting more than a year at best.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 25, 2015, 10:31:50 PM
Mailboxes brings up memories of my juvenile delinquent childhood growing up in Cleveland and taunting Dennis Kuchinich all the time....

We used to pee in apartment mail chutes....did some horrible things back then...and got away with it.

If I was on the receiving end (as an adult now), I'd be pizzed off about getting my mail all soggy with pee....

Dennis was the neighborhood olaf.  We used to taunt him constantly.

He's still a dork but he does have a hot wife.........
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 25, 2015, 10:32:56 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Dennis and Fry share the same genes.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monique on July 25, 2015, 10:48:16 PM
Mailboxes brings up memories of my juvenile delinquent childhood growing up in Cleveland and taunting Dennis Kuchinich all the time....

We used to pee in apartment mail chutes....did some horrible things back then...and got away with it.

If I was on the receiving end (as an adult now), I'd be pizzed off about getting my mail all soggy with pee....

Dennis was the neighborhood olaf.  We used to taunt him constantly.

He's still a dork but he does have a hot wife.........
Wow.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 25, 2015, 10:57:25 PM
I'm sure when you were a kid, you were a saint....Yeah, right.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 25, 2015, 11:00:50 PM
I grew up in the inner city and did a lot of things that I would never think of doing now.  Back then it wasn't racial or politically motivated, it was a group of kids out doing stuff....

Again, I'm sure you never did anything wrong.

I know, your aspiration was to be a nun....lol
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on July 26, 2015, 09:48:00 AM
Mailbox height and accessability on a rural route (like ours) is important.  Having said that and having my box smashed so many times, I built my own from 1/4" plate steel.  It's at the required height and spaced off the road at the required distance (I cut a cut in with the loader so our carrier could drive right up).  My indestructo box has the approval of the post office that delivers our mail btw.

It's still on a 4x4 PT post so it can break but the box stays intact.

Sheet metal boxes out here don't have a prayer of lasting more than a year at best.

I see MDOT has been working all last week along the shoulders of S. Dixie between Monroe and Erie.  They're taking out at least some of the signs mounted on steel posts and replacing them with wooden posts.  I can't tell if they're using the 'old' signs over but I'd be surprised if they are. 

Looks like they're putting a galvanized square sleeve in the ground and then putting the wooden posts inside the sleeve.  They still have the 1" holes drilled through the posts just above ground level so the wood is more likely to break down low.
Our tax dollars at work ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on July 26, 2015, 09:55:42 AM
This is not a road commission deal but more a planning issue within Monroe county I'd guess. 
Only a couple of years ago the county spent an awful lot of money tearing up the intersection of Sterns and Summerfield, widening the road and increasing the length of the left hand turn lanes besides spending thousands to build over a little ditch that crosses Sterns.
Now that it has all been done someone is preparing to tear it all up and install some kind of pipe thru the intersection in both directions by the looks of it.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on July 26, 2015, 10:09:23 AM
This is not a road commission deal but more a planning issue within Monroe county I'd guess. 
Only a couple of years ago the county spent an awful lot of money tearing up the intersection of Sterns and Summerfield, widening the road and increasing the length of the left hand turn lanes besides spending thousands to build over a little ditch that crosses Sterns.
Now that it has all been done someone is preparing to tear it all up and install some kind of pipe thru the intersection in both directions by the looks of it.

Surprised it made it a couple of years.  Whenever I see a fresh repave job I always wonder how long before and where the first hole in the new project will end up.  Very rarely are they able to put in the patch so you don't feel it driving over it!

If it's anything other than public water or sewer or a drain job of some kind then it's most likely being installed by a private enterprise.  Probably impossible for them to plan ahead more than a couple of years and then trying to co-ordinate with most any government agency would be a nightmare. 

I've often asked why we can't just put in some plastic 'conduit' pipes when we do a road project.  It wouldn't be foolproof but would work maybe 75% of the time.  The original investment would be low and even if they charged the private company big bucks for using it later it would still cost less for the private company than putting everything in new. 

In the Army one of our favorite phrases...

Prior Planning Prevents P... Poor Performance ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on July 26, 2015, 10:28:00 AM
Oh there have been a couple of big holes already and some patch throw in.
There is a very very long piece of yellow pipe laying along the road.  Maybe 8 or 10" dia.
could be conduit.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on July 26, 2015, 10:29:24 AM
Oh there have been a couple of big holes already and some patch throw in.
There is a very very long piece of yellow pipe laying along the road.  Maybe 8 or 10" dia.
could be conduit.

Yellow pipe is frequently natural gas distribution pipe.  Could be a MGU upgrade project for the area.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Frenchfry on July 27, 2015, 11:55:58 AM
Mailboxes brings up memories of my juvenile delinquent childhood growing up in Cleveland and taunting Dennis Kuchinich all the time....

We used to pee in apartment mail chutes....did some horrible things back then...and got away with it.

If I was on the receiving end (as an adult now), I'd be pizzed off about getting my mail all soggy with pee....

Dennis was the neighborhood olaf.  We used to taunt him constantly.

He's still a dork but he does have a hot wife.........
Sometimes I wonder if Dennis and Fry share the same genes.
Sorry but normal people don't do the type of things that you've done to other people.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on November 21, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
I see MDOT in the West side of the state was able to figure out how to use those camera's that are sitting in boxes here in Monroe



http://fox17online.com/2015/11/20/mdot-launches-new-tracking-camera-feature-to-mi-drive/ (http://fox17online.com/2015/11/20/mdot-launches-new-tracking-camera-feature-to-mi-drive/)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 21, 2015, 10:12:50 AM
I see MDOT in the West side of the state was able to figure out how to use those camera's that are sitting in boxes here in Monroe



[url]http://fox17online.com/2015/11/20/mdot-launches-new-tracking-camera-feature-to-mi-drive/[/url] ([url]http://fox17online.com/2015/11/20/mdot-launches-new-tracking-camera-feature-to-mi-drive/[/url])


I'd like to know if they're actually still sitting in boxes down at the MCRC garage or if someone has already bootlegged them out the back door :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on November 21, 2015, 10:41:19 AM
I'll ask someone
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 21, 2015, 10:42:31 AM
I'll ask someone

They're probably not worth much anymore anyway...

obsolete technology most likely :( :( :(
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 21, 2015, 03:15:43 PM
 :D MCRC was out yesterday playing with their 'patch machine' that spews gravel and tar.  They did the bridge deck coming out of P'burg towards Deerfield (will probably last about a week, maybe and were on Summerfield Road just before 23 blocking the road in a curve with a half arsed flagger (no orange vest, no stop sign) just a half hearted wave.

I thought to myself would be a great place for a head-on and a great lawsuit against the MCRC, those guys are real professional
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 21, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
They're probably not worth much anymore anyway...

obsolete technology most likely :( :( :(

Don't matter, taxpayers paid for them...........
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: livewire on November 21, 2015, 03:56:16 PM
I'd like to know if they're actually still sitting in boxes down at the MCRC garage or if someone has already bootlegged them out the back door :-\ :-\ :-\

Wouldn't be surprised if they were sold at one of Rollo Juckette's MCRC auctions.  Probably got twenty bucks for them all.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 21, 2015, 04:06:51 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if they were sold at one of Rollo Juckette's MCRC auctions.  Probably got twenty bucks for them all.

Must be why Brewer Road is smooth as a baby's behind from the Dumdee City limits, past Rollo's place, down to Petersburg Road and then goes to hell....... ;D ;D

Gotta take care of Rollo.

Like the Brightner clan on P'burg road.  Amazing how the road is smooth out front of their homes and rough as a cob everywhere else.....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on December 28, 2015, 05:49:54 PM
We ***** about Michigan roads. Toledo worse. The pot holes are bad but driving at night in rain you notice they have not restriped the roads either.  Can't find your lane.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on December 28, 2015, 05:52:06 PM
We ***** about Michigan roads. Toledo worse. The pot holes are bad but driving at night in rain you notice they have not restriped the roads either.  Can't find your lane.

I thought Toledo and Ohio was great?

Isn't that the word?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 28, 2015, 07:10:57 PM
We ***** about Michigan roads. Toledo worse. The pot holes are bad but driving at night in rain you notice they have not restriped the roads either.  Can't find your lane.



If you can't you either need glasses or quit driving.  It's called space perception.  You can judge your vehicle width and the road width so you stay on your side...if you can't better quit driving.

far as the potholes, most are on secondary streets and Toledo being a liberal run city (D), you cannot expect any more.  Main roads are fine for the most part.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 31, 2016, 07:21:56 AM
'Frost laws' went up Friday!!!

I see they've been busy putting up 'flip signs' over the last several months.  Now, rather than going around and having to install the signs they can just remove one screw and flip the sign open and then replace the screw to keep it from flipping shut!  That has to be a major time saver although those signs are probably a lot more expensive.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 31, 2016, 09:40:31 AM
Little early for that crap isn't it?  Thats just a money maker, nothing more.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 16, 2016, 11:05:13 AM
Little early for that crap isn't it?  Thats just a money maker, nothing more.

And then on Friday or Saturday I saw in the paper that they would be removing them yesterday...

Earlier this morning a 'gravel train' with aluminum tubs went absolutely flying down our road...

when he hit the 'bump' out front I could see daylight under all the tires on the rear trailer >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2016, 05:03:47 AM
And then on Friday or Saturday I saw in the paper that they would be removing them yesterday...

Earlier this morning a 'gravel train' with aluminum tubs went absolutely flying down our road...

when he hit the 'bump' out front I could see daylight under all the tires on the rear trailer >:( >:( >:(

Must have been empty...  You won't see any daylight under the tires if he was loaded....  idiot anyway.

I see rhere is no 'weight restriction' on 151 now that it's repaved....  used to be Class B from 24 past the potato farm.  Lots of trucks got nailed on that stretch.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 17, 2016, 07:13:57 AM
Must have been empty...  You won't see any daylight under the tires if he was loaded....  idiot anyway.

I see rhere is no 'weight restriction' on 151 now that it's repaved....  used to be Class B from 24 past the potato farm.  Lots of trucks got nailed on that stretch.


No doubt it was empty...

could hear it beating it's way over the pothole stretches before he got to here...

then in the afternoon when I was going up Telegraph I ended up right behind what looked (and sounded like) the same truck...   

It was being driven 'hard' to say the very least.  He did let up once he got to about 58 mph but at every light I thought I was up at Detroit Dragway!!!!

Detroit Dragway Commercial - CKLW 1966 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbrdImfvFmQ#)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 17, 2016, 08:48:04 AM
What will the MCRC do with all the "Savings" on overtime and Salt this year?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 17, 2016, 09:23:58 AM
You'll never find out
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: arpydave on February 17, 2016, 09:24:28 AM
What will the MCRC do with all the "Savings" on overtime and Salt this year?

All that salt will rock up over the year, so you have to do something with it, huh?

Since they have to have something to do with the staff on straight time because they don't do any preventative maintenance or repairs, maybe they can haul it and dump it in the river upstream of Flint, sorta like your home water system. Likely even bill Snyder and the Feds for doing it.  ;)

Instead of them yelling, "Hey Culligan man!" They can yell "Hey MCRC!"  ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: arpydave on February 17, 2016, 09:32:24 AM
What a great PR move that would be.

We're making a "donation" to our "neighbors" up north.  :)  While taking a backdoor FEMA check in the county's coffers.  ;)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2016, 09:49:16 AM
No doubt it was empty...

could hear it beating it's way over the pothole stretches before he got to here...

then in the afternoon when I was going up Telegraph I ended up right behind what looked (and sounded like) the same truck...   

It was being driven 'hard' to say the very least.  He did let up once he got to about 58 mph but at every light I thought I was up at Detroit Dragway!!!!

Detroit Dragway Commercial - CKLW 1966 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbrdImfvFmQ#[/url])


If it was an MCRC truck (I presume it was), that is SOP for taking off because they all have either Allison automatics now or electronic shift Eaton's.  Thats how you operate them.  Foot to the floorboard and let the 'box do the thinking' because the driver is incapable of 'thinking'.  Pretty neat system in the Eaton's.  They actually have aq clutch but no pedal.  The computer interrupts the power (closes the throttle) for a split second and the clutch (air servo operated) disengages and the air operated servo then moves the gear sets to engage the next ratio.  It all happens in a split second.  You won't even hear the interruption if driving alongside.

They upshift and downshift and if it has an engine brake, the ECM coordinates the compression brake with the transmission and clutch for seamless decelelration.

Allisons work about the same way but the Allison uses a fluid coupling instead of a dry clutch (torque converter) and power isn't interrupted like an Eaton Autoshift.  The Allisons are heavier and the Allisons have fewer internal ratio's.  Allisons are mostly in off road and vocational units like cement mixers.

I think all the newer MCRC units are Eaton's.

If it wasn't for computer engine management, the Eaton wouldn't work.  Typical clutch life is around 1/2 million miles because the driver cannot 'ride the clutch'.

............a little dissertation on 'how it works'...... ;D

Personally, I don't like an autoshift.  I like to be able to control what gear I'm in, when and you can only get an autoshift (Eaton) with 10 ratio's.  My preference (and all our company trucks) are either 13 speed or 18 speed Roadrangers with double overdrive.  Double overdrive simply means the top 2 ratio's are less than 1 to 1 on the transmission output shaft.  The slower the engine turns (at crusing speed on a level road) the better the fuel mileage.  Overdrives give that mileage (depending on final drive ratio).

.........everyone gets their truck lesson today.................
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2016, 09:51:16 AM
One of our friends who lives on Dixon Road, commented to CL that the Road Commish was out grading the road at MIDNIGHT the other day....


Anything to burn overtime and screw the budget pooch.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 17, 2016, 12:26:06 PM
One of our friends who lives on Dixon Road, commented to CL that the Road Commish was out grading the road at MIDNIGHT the other day....


Anything to burn overtime and screw the budget pooch.

I'm not sure of any details on this particular situation but I have heard requests from local FDs, MSP Troopers and MCSD deputies to come out and salt or sand the road in areas where there have been an accident or two recently. 

I suppose if they would have also been grading the road that may have been related somehow.  If it wasn't related to a situation like that then I've got no idea why they would be out at that time.

If it was an MCRC truck (I presume it was), that is SOP for taking off because they all have either Allison automatics now or electronic shift Eaton's.  Thats how you operate them.  Foot to the floorboard and let the 'box do the thinking' because the driver is incapable of 'thinking'.  Pretty neat system in the Eaton's.  They actually have aq clutch but no pedal.  The computer interrupts the power (closes the throttle) for a split second and the clutch (air servo operated) disengages and the air operated servo then moves the gear sets to engage the next ratio.  It all happens in a split second.  You won't even hear the interruption if driving alongside.

They upshift and downshift and if it has an engine brake, the ECM coordinates the compression brake with the transmission and clutch for seamless decelelration.

Allisons work about the same way but the Allison uses a fluid coupling instead of a dry clutch (torque converter) and power isn't interrupted like an Eaton Autoshift.  The Allisons are heavier and the Allisons have fewer internal ratio's.  Allisons are mostly in off road and vocational units like cement mixers.

I think all the newer MCRC units are Eaton's.

If it wasn't for computer engine management, the Eaton wouldn't work.  Typical clutch life is around 1/2 million miles because the driver cannot 'ride the clutch'.

............a little dissertation on 'how it works'...... ;D

Personally, I don't like an autoshift.  I like to be able to control what gear I'm in, when and you can only get an autoshift (Eaton) with 10 ratio's.  My preference (and all our company trucks) are either 13 speed or 18 speed Roadrangers with double overdrive.  Double overdrive simply means the top 2 ratio's are less than 1 to 1 on the transmission output shaft.  The slower the engine turns (at crusing speed on a level road) the better the fuel mileage.  Overdrives give that mileage (depending on final drive ratio).

.........everyone gets their truck lesson today.................

No, this was  a private contractor's truck.  Only relation to this thread is that it only took one day after the restrictions were lifted before someone started driving way, way, way too fast on the road again :( :( :(

It sure sounded like a clutch and gearbox setup when I was behind them on Telegraph.  Sounded like he was skipping a few gears (completely empty) every time he shifted and he was driving like he was going to be late getting home...  kind of like when he was dodging the potholes and bouncing over the bumps on our road...   sounded like he was late for coffee break then!!!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 17, 2016, 12:36:55 PM
If it was an MCRC truck (I presume it was), that is SOP for taking off because they all have either Allison automatics now or electronic shift Eaton's.  Thats how you operate them.  Foot to the floorboard and let the 'box do the thinking' because the driver is incapable of 'thinking'.  Pretty neat system in the Eaton's.  They actually have aq clutch but no pedal.  The computer interrupts the power (closes the throttle) for a split second and the clutch (air servo operated) disengages and the air operated servo then moves the gear sets to engage the next ratio.  It all happens in a split second.  You won't even hear the interruption if driving alongside.

They upshift and downshift and if it has an engine brake, the ECM coordinates the compression brake with the transmission and clutch for seamless decelelration.

Allisons work about the same way but the Allison uses a fluid coupling instead of a dry clutch (torque converter) and power isn't interrupted like an Eaton Autoshift.  The Allisons are heavier and the Allisons have fewer internal ratio's.  Allisons are mostly in off road and vocational units like cement mixers.

I think all the newer MCRC units are Eaton's.

If it wasn't for computer engine management, the Eaton wouldn't work.  Typical clutch life is around 1/2 million miles because the driver cannot 'ride the clutch'.

............a little dissertation on 'how it works'...... ;D

Personally, I don't like an autoshift.  I like to be able to control what gear I'm in, when and you can only get an autoshift (Eaton) with 10 ratio's.  My preference (and all our company trucks) are either 13 speed or 18 speed Roadrangers with double overdrive.  Double overdrive simply means the top 2 ratio's are less than 1 to 1 on the transmission output shaft.  The slower the engine turns (at crusing speed on a level road) the better the fuel mileage.  Overdrives give that mileage (depending on final drive ratio).

.........everyone gets their truck lesson today.................

Back in the mid 70s the FD got a new GMC tandem chassis tanker (2500 gallons) with an Allison behind a Deetroit...   couldn't tell you the model number on the transmission but it was a 6 speed joke...   

that thing was constantly shifting...

either up or down...

it didn't care as long as it was shifting one way or the other. 

I drove it to a crash on the freeway (US 10) one morning and it would top out about 62 mph so lots and lots of drivers would just fly by me even though I was driving with flashers activated.  About 4 miles up the road they were all stopped and I had to pass them on the shoulder.

A fair warning when you're on the freeway and see a firetruck it might be a good idea to get off the freeway as soon as you can.  I guess they felt important sitting for a couple of hours ahead of everyone they passed ;) ;) ;)

Hope the crash victim wasn't a friend or relative of any of them :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2016, 05:42:28 PM
Allisons have come a long way in improvements.  It's the transmission of choice in a vocational unit now.

Your problem was really the Detroit more than the tranny.  It had to be a 6-92 or an 8V71 and neither engine is much good.  They didn't put 8V71T's in straight trucks.  The T (turbocharged motor wasn't too bad).

Those are long gone, well, actually, they are still produced for stationary applications, like gensets.

Detroit has been absorbed by Mecedes.  Still called a Detroit, but it's actually a European design, inline 6, 15 and 16 liter, common rail injection and all the emissions garbage.

They are all junk today.  The best engine, Caterpillar 3406 is gone too.  Cat don't even produce an on road engine today.

Closest you can get to a 3406 is a Cummins ISX-C.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 17, 2016, 07:19:16 PM
Allisons have come a long way in improvements.  It's the transmission of choice in a vocational unit now.

Your problem was really the Detroit more than the tranny.  It had to be a 6-92 or an 8V71 and neither engine is much good.  They didn't put 8V71T's in straight trucks.  The T (turbocharged motor wasn't too bad).

Those are long gone, well, actually, they are still produced for stationary applications, like gensets.

Detroit has been absorbed by Mecedes.  Still called a Detroit, but it's actually a European design, inline 6, 15 and 16 liter, common rail injection and all the emissions garbage.

They are all junk today.  The best engine, Caterpillar 3406 is gone too.  Cat don't even produce an on road engine today.

Closest you can get to a 3406 is a Cummins ISX-C.

It was a gutless wonder on the road but it could pump water like there was no tomorrow! 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2016, 09:53:25 PM
Because the PTO pump had plenty of capacity.  Case in point, my roll-off tractor-trailer (Im the only one who runs it becauase no one else is qualified and they are shitte scared of putting that stick 50 feet up in the air with a loaded scrap box on it....) has a 3126 Cat which is a pre-emissions 10 liter inline 6, turbocharged with a 10 speed and 433 rears.  It can't get out of it's own way but the pump has the power to pull an overloaded box across an asphalt road and take the road with it......  It's all in pump capacity.

I know it will pull the road, I did it in Upper Sandusky, Ohio at an accident one of out drivers had.  He was overloaded with sheets and ditched the outfit and the sheets came off, all 60 grand.  They magged them all into one box sitting in the road (the OHP had the road closed) and I got to load the box.  That put me at 110 gross.  I took the road with me pulling the box on the trailer and the engine never even worked hard.

ODOT was there...  I told him I was a bit heavy, he told me to get the heck outta there...  no issue.  I left.  Gee 110 minus 80 = 30 over gross.  Scrapped it all.

I love excitement...
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 19, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
They spent quite a bit of time patching out here on our road the last couple of days...

I can see where they put in lots of patch but it could still use a lot more!!!

All they're getting is the big holes in the middle of the road...

the edges are just falling off (I picked several large pieces of asphalt up out of the yard today.  Picking up chunks before mowing has become sop the last several years :( :( :(

I see in the paper tonight they're going to put weight restrictions back 'on' as of Tuesday at 7 am! 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 19, 2016, 08:55:31 PM
My opinion of frost laws in general are, they are nothing more than a revenue generator for the library system.

I see the Lenawee Road Commish, just got 2 new Volvo triple axle with a tag straight dumps with pintles to pull pups with 7 more axles.  Cost, 500 K for 2 uints and they plan on buying more to replace their old units.
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Boy are they in for a shock when those electronic Vo-Mack diesels start crapping and the DEF systems go haywire.  The new stuff is basically junk no matter who built it.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: blue2 on February 19, 2016, 08:59:11 PM
Almost everything we buy today is junk.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 19, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
.....  yep.

I ordered 2 rear wheel cylinders for my 97 Pickup from Rockauto, got the premium parts, Motorcraft.  Got the package yesterday and opened it up.  Boxes say....'Made in China'.......WTF ?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 19, 2016, 11:00:03 PM
.....  yep.

I ordered 2 rear wheel cylinders for my 97 Pickup from Rockauto, got the premium parts, Motorcraft.  Got the package yesterday and opened it up.  Boxes say....'Made in China'.......WTF ?

Where were you hoping for?

Malaysia?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 20, 2016, 11:16:03 PM
Where were you hoping for?

Malaysia?

How about something from industrialized Europe.  Friggin China...gimme a break.

I have an order going to Nigeria.  First for me.  2 going to the UAE.  Thats 3 this year.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 20, 2016, 11:17:47 PM
I have a big map of the world on the wall with pins in every area I've shipped to...  Lots of pins but none in China.  Fock China.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 21, 2016, 08:08:06 AM
.....  yep.

I ordered 2 rear wheel cylinders for my 97 Pickup from Rockauto, got the premium parts, Motorcraft.  Got the package yesterday and opened it up.  Boxes say....'Made in China'.......WTF ?

I've run into the same thing with brake rotors from Rock Auto...

I bought the most expensive rotors they had and they were from China...

go figure that one :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 21, 2016, 08:34:48 AM
So Europe doesn't have factories and jobs left either?

how do they pay for their "free stuff"?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 21, 2016, 01:22:37 PM
So Europe doesn't have factories and jobs left either?

how do they pay for their "free stuff"?

Thats easy, tax structure.  Just like Canada.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 21, 2016, 01:33:38 PM
How about something from industrialized Europe.  Friggin China...gimme a break.

I have an order going to Nigeria.  First for me.  2 going to the UAE.  Thats 3 this year.

It's a Global Economy Flip.

Get used to it.

Maybe they don't ride those "big" bikes in China.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 21, 2016, 01:38:02 PM
It's a Global Economy Flip.

Get used to it.

Maybe they don't ride those "big" bikes in China.

Bikes in Europe and the Pacific Rim are very expensive, only the rich have them.  I've shipped to China before (last year).  The Chinese want American products, they know it's good value and a quality product.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 21, 2016, 03:01:20 PM
Bikes in Europe and the Pacific Rim are very expensive, only the rich have them.  I've shipped to China before (last year).  The Chinese want American products, they know it's good value and a quality product.

Lots of little bikes on the Pacific Rim.

It's amazing how much crap they can balance on one of those.

It's not for fun.  It's for transportation.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 21, 2016, 03:24:12 PM
I realize there are literally millions of small motorbikes, they are cheap and good on gas but the big ones are there as well, just owned by upper class.  Case in point, I know a couple that live in Asia (job related, he's a FED-EX executive and he has his HD over there and rides in a club... all HD's.

BTW, a box of Rice Krispies costs 12 bucks USD and their rent is 5K a month.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 22, 2016, 06:54:33 AM
I realize there are literally millions of small motorbikes, they are cheap and good on gas but the big ones are there as well, just owned by upper class.  Case in point, I know a couple that live in Asia (job related, he's a FED-EX executive and he has his HD over there and rides in a club... all HD's.

BTW, a box of Rice Krispies costs 12 bucks USD and their rent is 5K a month.

So you need to market a size to the small bikes.....

Maybe offshore production in China?

 ;D

And those prices is why I always brought an assortment of staples back with me, to make that per diem go farther.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 22, 2016, 09:11:13 PM
Maybe I don't want to.  This is a free enterprise society is it not?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 23, 2016, 06:36:27 AM
Does anyone know if the MCRC has purchased a new tractor and mower?  Saw one late last night (too dark to see details) that was all yellow.  With all the $$$ they've saved on salt and overtime this year they should have money to 'plow' into tractors!

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2016, 07:53:08 AM
At around 5 the 'barn dog' wanted out...   

too hot inside for him so I took him down to the barn and put him back inside.  I decided I'd lay back down and 'try' to go back to sleep...

figuring I wouldn't be able to and I'd be back up soon.  About that time I heard central dispatch toning out for a 'possible' structure fire at theMCRC Summerfield property.  "smoke coming out the door"!!!

Of all mornings to fall back asleep :( :( :(

I have no idea what happened after that...   

never heard another thing!!!

I figure it was somewhere between a truck starting and warming up inside and someone saw the smoke and called it in all the way to the building was on fire and burned to the ground!!!  I'm sure if it was the latter it will make the news at some point today or tomorrow :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Maverick on February 26, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
Extensive damage and several trucks totaled plus extensive smoke damage. possibly a truck caught on fire inside and took out several other nearby trucks.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2016, 09:56:51 AM
Extensive damage and several trucks totaled plus extensive smoke damage. possibly a truck caught on fire inside and took out several other nearby trucks.

Wow...

biggest fire of the year (so far) and I slept through it!!!

This was an almost new building wasn't it?

I guess the only 'good' news is they'll end up with some new equipment...

at least the timing was good with not much snow this winter!

As long as no one was hurt everything 'material' can be replaced?

Do you know if they have an alarm system in the building?

The dispatch made it sound like someone reported it from the outside...

maybe a worker arriving for early road clearing (it was sometime not too long after 5 am) or possibly a passer by.

I drive down there quite often...   it's the smoothest stretch of road on the west side of the county ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 26, 2016, 09:59:48 AM
Now maybe the can sell that property and move to Dundee...  with the Insurance company paying.   

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2016, 10:18:54 AM
Now maybe the can sell that property and move to Dundee...  with the Insurance company paying.

It's not uncommon at all for a restaurant to burn...

tagged as a 'remodeling fire' of unknown origin ;) ;) ;)

But I didn't know road commissions were catching onto that now ;D ;D ;D

We have to go to Dundee in a bit so I'll drive by and get a few pictures on the way.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2016, 01:17:58 PM
We were there and took a few pictures.  We're in Dundee for lunch now so I'll have to upload them after I get home and finish burning my brush pile. 

I'd say Summerfield and mutual aid did a great job. 

Monroe news does have an article online now. 

I'll try posting the link but not sure I know how from my tablet!!!


http://m.monroenews.com/news/20160226/fire-damages-road-commission-building-equipment (http://m.monroenews.com/news/20160226/fire-damages-road-commission-building-equipment)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 26, 2016, 02:19:09 PM
Now maybe the can sell that property and move to Dundee...  with the Insurance company paying.

That won't work...  They (MCRC) were in Dumdee on M50 across from the NAPA dealer...sold that piece and moved to Summerfield Township.  I won't get into the wrangling over that, maybe CL will.  Lets just say typical Road Comission underhanded bullshilt.

The siren on the Township Hall probably woke me up (had to take a leak about that time).

Road Comission Drive is without a doubt the smoothest piece of road in the County.  Problem is, it don't go anywhere (Ida West to Summerfield Road).

BTW, the bridge over 23 (Ida West) will be closed ALL SUMMER as they replace the deck (hopefully replace the approaches too).  Those are wicked.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2016, 07:31:58 PM
That won't work...  They (MCRC) were in Dumdee on M50 across from the NAPA dealer...sold that piece and moved to Summerfield Township.  I won't get into the wrangling over that, maybe CL will.  Lets just say typical Road Comission underhanded bullshilt.

The siren on the Township Hall probably woke me up (had to take a leak about that time).

Road Comission Drive is without a doubt the smoothest piece of road in the County.  Problem is, it don't go anywhere (Ida West to Summerfield Road).

BTW, the bridge over 23 (Ida West) will be closed ALL SUMMER as they replace the deck (hopefully replace the approaches too).  Those are wicked.

Well that will require a minor detour then!!!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2016, 07:38:19 PM
The article in the news said it was after 6 when the fire was discovered and one of the road commission workers told me that the 6:30 start crew found it when they got there.  He did say that someone had worked until 5am so it couldn't have been burning too long.  It was in the blue steel building and other than some black smoke discoloration you wouldn't even know there was a problem from outside.  The guy I talked to said there's a lot of insulation in there and it's pretty airtight so that helped too.  He says they'll have to rip out all the insulation before they can tell how much damage there is to the steel framing.

Looking back to this morning I must have been sleeping better than I though I was...

that's later than I usually sleep anyway.

Ok, I'm uploading some pictures I took with my phone and an old camera I carry in the car.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2016, 08:03:18 PM
Not just the windows that are 'tinted'!

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0164_zpsg0sd9eou.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0164_zpsg0sd9eou.jpg.html)

Since the 'property' is under video surveillance you'd have thought someone would have seen the smoke :o :o :o

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0165_zpsulgq2iiv.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0165_zpsulgq2iiv.jpg.html)

Yes, I was out in the sun so it does make the truck look a little darker...

but most of that is smoke!!!

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0163_zpst6juq9hb.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0163_zpst6juq9hb.jpg.html)

After seeing the picture in the paper I wouldn't have thought the building could be in this good of condition!

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0170_zpsi03e85mn.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0170_zpsi03e85mn.jpg.html)

I've got more pictures I'll upload later or tomorrow morning!
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 26, 2016, 08:10:04 PM
Wonder where they got the Volvo at...  Probably Ed Schmidt.  They get most of their trucks from us..Great Lakes Western Star.  Better trucks, better drivelines.

Volvo's are basically second rate junk anyway.

Not much in the MN.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 27, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
A little closer look...    I used the zoom rather than try to walk 'too close' through their open but 'posted' gates.

At one point one of the workers did walk out and ask if I was from a newspaper or something...   I told him I was just a concerned taxpayer.  I asked him if there was any kind of an alarm system and he said he did not know. 

I just cannot imagine building a 'palace' like this and not having an alarm system installed.  This building is not very old!

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0171_zps13lkoica.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0171_zps13lkoica.jpg.html)

They had this loader and a couple of trucks parked outside the fence...   appeared to maybe be 'blocking' the drive to keep us curious taxpayers from getting too close.  I got out and walked though ;) ;) ;)

But, it was also adjacent to a fire hydrant.  Liedel (think it's spelled right) power washing from Erie had two trucks there doing cleanup on equipment outside at various points.  I couldn't see if they were inside the building though.  That may have to wait for some more serious inspections and clean up.

These appear to be all just smoked up vehicles...   the 'aroma' was still pretty strong...   one 'memory' I don't miss being around on a daily basis ;) ;) ;)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0162_zpsaizw72jn.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0162_zpsaizw72jn.jpg.html)

When we first got there I though maybe the fire had been inside the salt barn because the doors was standing wide open.  I didn't see another loader around so maybe they don't have anything to load salt with or into!

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0169_zpsctqbj98o.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0169_zpsctqbj98o.jpg.html)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0168_zpsak2cohaq.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0168_zpsak2cohaq.jpg.html)

A little promotion for Liedel's!!!

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0167_zpsnal1xtoo.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0167_zpsnal1xtoo.jpg.html)

(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/bigreddog1/HPIM0166_zpsu9essosw.jpg) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/bigreddog1/media/HPIM0166_zpsu9essosw.jpg.html)



Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 27, 2016, 09:22:15 AM
Wonder where they got the Volvo at...  Probably Ed Schmidt.  They get most of their trucks from us..Great Lakes Western Star.  Better trucks, better drivelines.

Volvo's are basically second rate junk anyway.

Not much in the MN.

They had the picture of the truck that must have caught fire.  I didn't see that truck outside anywhere and they had obviously had the overhead door open to move several trucks and loaders out for cleanup.  Probably left it 'in place' until the insurance inspectors and adjusters get there.  They should be able to pinpoint what started the fire in this case.  Although it looks like a real mess the actual damage is still relatively minor so a good inspector will get to the bottom of the 'origin and cause' in this case.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 27, 2016, 09:32:52 AM
probably electrical in a truck.  Thats plastic / fiberglass soot.  Good reason to have master disconnects on the trucks like the fire department has on their trucks.  Cheap to install and renders the electrical system inoperative.

I wouldn't let Leidel wash my gravel driveway.  they do our trucks in the yard and it's always a poor job but it is less expensive than the Blue Beacon.  I've seen them wash one side of a rig and not the other....

They are on Luna Pier Road, just east of Telegraph.  Leidel is related to the Cusino's.  Come to think about, everyone is related to everyone else down there.....

Pizz one off, you pizz them all off.....lol
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 27, 2016, 09:59:52 AM

Road Comission Drive is without a doubt the smoothest piece of road in the County.  Problem is, it don't go anywhere (Ida West to Summerfield Road).

BTW, the bridge over 23 (Ida West) will be closed ALL SUMMER as they replace the deck (hopefully replace the approaches too).  Those are wicked.
I took that section once - lol   laughed when I saw the name and how smooth it was!

Nice to know the Bridge will be closed - have to figure out the route for getting to the next exit south I guess...

And I am curious why they didn't see a need for the master disconnect  - maybe they didn't know they exist?   8*  (cheaper than the GPS systems they never intalled or used!)
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 27, 2016, 10:31:31 AM
probably electrical in a truck.  Thats plastic / fiberglass soot.  Good reason to have master disconnects on the trucks like the fire department has on their trucks.  Cheap to install and renders the electrical system inoperative.

I wouldn't let Leidel wash my gravel driveway.  they do our trucks in the yard and it's always a poor job but it is less expensive than the Blue Beacon.  I've seen them wash one side of a rig and not the other....

They are on Luna Pier Road, just east of Telegraph. Leidel is related to the Cusino's.  Come to think about, everyone is related to everyone else down there.....

Pizz one off, you pizz them all off.....lol


They're just east of the Dixie...   east of Telegraph is the Mason School Campus and they're still east of that.

The only potential 'issue' I see with a master disconnect is with all the computers that are on those vehicles (although obviously not the GPS units that transmit location and operation details to the taxpayers that are footing the bill for them).

The chance of a computer causing that problem is pretty slim so I'd think they could leave power to the computers and disconnect everything else though.

I do see some potential for other issues though.  The worker I talked to said that the night crew had just left the building around 5 or 5:30...   if they were out using that particular truck there could have been a fuel or hydraulic leak...   other possible issues with a vehicle that had just been running and shut down. 

I know when someone would shut down one of the firetrucks (Detroit Diesel I think...  2 stroke engine?) while it was idling too fast (hadn't idled long enough) it would take off and run backwards!!!  That could be a real thrill if you tried to put it in gear while it was doing that!!!!
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Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 27, 2016, 10:38:28 AM
"computers" in vehicles have their own battery so they don't power completely down when the disconnect is used.  We had them in our firetrucks and ambulances and there were no issues with the disconnect. 

As far as a maintenance issue (leaks) - that's up to the investigation team to determine. 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 27, 2016, 07:20:22 PM
"computers" in vehicles have their own battery so they don't power completely down when the disconnect is used.  We had them in our firetrucks and ambulances and there were no issues with the disconnect. 

As far as a maintenance issue (leaks) - that's up to the investigation team to determine.

Just to be sure we're on the same page...

I probably should have used the term 'control module' rather than computer.  Even a basic auto today has an ECM and a BCM...   engine control module and body control module.   More sophisticated vehicles may (probably do) have more than two.  With the engine control module they will make the engine run strange if you disconnect the battery.  It takes them sometimes as many as 10 'restarts' to learn (or in some cases 'forget') events that have happened during startup and running.  This is usually where you get those 'check engine' lights from.

One of the earliest uses of battery disconnects was in the boat industry.  Sometimes more to be able to keep two or more banks of batteries charged so you don't have to walk back from a trip out into the water ;) ;) ;)  But also a safety issue when no one is around. 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 27, 2016, 08:07:52 PM
That old clunker plow truck that roasted was straight mechainically injected, no electronics.  Looks like an Old GMC General from the shape of the marker lights on the cab.

I see where the soot came from...  Look at the steer tire on the passengers side.  That's where the black soot came from....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 27, 2016, 08:22:26 PM
That old clunker plow truck that roasted was straight mechainically injected, no electronics.  Looks like an Old GMC General from the shape of the marker lights on the cab.

I see where the soot came from...  Look at the steer tire on the passengers side.  That's where the black soot came from....

Highly unlikely the fire originated in that tire though...

a front tire catching fire is quite often the result of an engine fire.  Since the other tire didn't burn then that narrows the fire origin down to the passenger side of the engine.

What all is on that side of that engine?

Also possible for a hydraulic leak to have sprayed fluid...

if the exhaust manifold is on that side then that could have been an ignition source. 
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 27, 2016, 10:04:23 PM
Highly unlikely the fire originated in that tire though...

a front tire catching fire is quite often the result of an engine fire.  Since the other tire didn't burn then that narrows the fire origin down to the passenger side of the engine.

What all is on that side of that engine?

Also possible for a hydraulic leak to have sprayed fluid...

if the exhaust manifold is on that side then that could have been an ignition source.

The truck was shut down so the engine was cold.  Lets see, the right side is the turbo exhaust manifold side but that is of no consequence, it wasn't running.  The hydraulics are underneath where the PTO mates to the transmission.  I'd say it was electrical, the wiring got hot, melted the insulation and probably ignited the grease and oil on the engine, catching the fiberglass hood on fire (you can see it melted over whats left of the radiator and dripped on the tire igniting it.  Fiberglass burns quite nicely actually.  An 11.00x24 carcass will make a lot of sooty smoke...  and the interior went up too.  Vinyl seats combust real well.

Knowing the Road Comission, even though the shop is relatively new, it was probably grungy.

Usually truck fires wind up at Goodys for salvage.  That truck might have been worth 30 grand tops.  Might be the one Bronco rolled on Summerfield Road and deposited the load of salt in the guy's front yard that sat there for months.....

vehicle fires are always ugly, be it a truck or car.  Something ugly about a schorched burned out wreck.

Thing I don't understand is it states on the fence 'under surveilance'....  Obviously not very good.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on February 27, 2016, 10:13:34 PM
Might be the one Bronco rolled on Summerfield Road and deposited the load of salt in the guy's front yard that sat there for months.....

Which time?
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on February 27, 2016, 10:51:18 PM
Just to be sure we're on the same page...

I probably should have used the term 'control module' rather than computer.  Even a basic auto today has an ECM and a BCM...   engine control module and body control module.   More sophisticated vehicles may (probably do) have more than two.  With the engine control module they will make the engine run strange if you disconnect the battery.  It takes them sometimes as many as 10 'restarts' to learn (or in some cases 'forget') events that have happened during startup and running.  This is usually where you get those 'check engine' lights from.

One of the earliest uses of battery disconnects was in the boat industry.  Sometimes more to be able to keep two or more banks of batteries charged so you don't have to walk back from a trip out into the water ;) ;) ;)  But also a safety issue when no one is around. 
I'd say our newest Fire engine had all that and more...  still no problems that I knew of as we would use the disconnects just the same - we even had trickle chargers on our batteries that automatically disconnected when the trucks were started.   

As far as the cause/origin of the vehicle fire - that should be fairly easy to determine from the sounds/looks of things.   May not be reported to the media - but with the pieces of the puzzle there it's not sounding like a difficult job.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Maverick on February 28, 2016, 12:42:39 AM
I bet it was a faulty connection for the GPS unit that was supposed to tell if the blades were up or down. Bad connection is probably why the system never worked right either.

I just solved two mysteries at once.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 28, 2016, 08:14:31 AM
The truck was shut down so the engine was cold.  Lets see, the right side is the turbo exhaust manifold side but that is of no consequence, it wasn't running. The hydraulics are underneath where the PTO mates to the transmission.  I'd say it was electrical, the wiring got hot, melted the insulation and probably ignited the grease and oil on the engine, catching the fiberglass hood on fire (you can see it melted over whats left of the radiator and dripped on the tire igniting it.  Fiberglass burns quite nicely actually.  An 11.00x24 carcass will make a lot of sooty smoke...  and the interior went up too.  Vinyl seats combust real well.

Knowing the Road Comission, even though the shop is relatively new, it was probably grungy.

Usually truck fires wind up at Goodys for salvage.  That truck might have been worth 30 grand tops.  Might be the one Bronco rolled on Summerfield Road and deposited the load of salt in the guy's front yard that sat there for months.....

vehicle fires are always ugly, be it a truck or car.  Something ugly about a schorched burned out wreck.

Thing I don't understand is it states on the fence 'under surveilance'....  Obviously not very good.

The night crew had just left the building prior to the fire being discovered (less than an hour).  I'm guessing that they more than likely were using at least one or two trucks.  I'm going out on a limb at this point (haven't been inside and looked at 'all' the available info) and guess that this is one of the vehicles the night crew was using.

I'm not saying a hydraulic leak is any more likely than anything else but I've seen the puddles of oil in the road after their trucks have been patching. 

There are hydraulic hoses for the underbelly blade that would be right there plus there's either tubing or hoses running to the front for the wing blade mount.  Even tubing can fracture after years of use (as you've noted it's not a brand new truck).

Right now we're both 'just guessing'...

exactly why a good investigator goes into an investigation with no 'pre-conceived' ideas on what happened!  Look at all the facts twice and then sleep on it for a day or two and you'll usually get a pretty likely idea of what really happened.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 28, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
I'm not going to quote directly from the DOT regulations handbook, but, in essence, the operator, under Federal Law, is required to perform a 104 point pre-trip inspection and a 104 point post-trip inspection and note the deficiencies on an inspection report turned into their maintenance supervisor at the end of the working day.

Any and all defects that directly impact either the driveability or the safety of the vehicle ase supposed to be corrected prior to the vehicle being put in service...ie: used.

Thats is the law, a Federal Motor Vehicle Law to be exact.

I bet none of the MCRC drivers / operators even know how to complete an inspection, let alone fill out the required forms.

If I was the insurance carrier, I'd be asking for the pre-trip / post-trip inspections form (if indeed that truck was used that night), and base my findings on that.  No forms completet, no insurance settlement.

I can direct quote the statute, I have the 'big book' laying here on the bookshelf btw.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 28, 2016, 07:19:16 PM
I'm not going to quote directly from the DOT regulations handbook, but, in essence, the operator, under Federal Law, is required to perform a 104 point pre-trip inspection and a 104 point post-trip inspection and note the deficiencies on an inspection report turned into their maintenance supervisor at the end of the working day.

Any and all defects that directly impact either the driveability or the safety of the vehicle ase supposed to be corrected prior to the vehicle being put in service...ie: used.

Thats is the law, a Federal Motor Vehicle Law to be exact.

I bet none of the MCRC drivers / operators even know how to complete an inspection, let alone fill out the required forms.

If I was the insurance carrier, I'd be asking for the pre-trip / post-trip inspections form (if indeed that truck was used that night), and base my findings on that.  No forms completet, no insurance settlement.

I can direct quote the statute, I have the 'big book' laying here on the bookshelf btw.

I'm sure they've already had time to 'create' a log for that vehicle for several days back!

Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 01, 2016, 07:16:33 PM
"computers" in vehicles have their own battery so they don't power completely down when the disconnect is used.  We had them in our firetrucks and ambulances and there were no issues with the disconnect. 
LOL...and you said that with such certainty.

I guess that's from years of trying to convince people you knew what you're talking about...when in actuality you're about as dumb as they come.

And when I think of those poor suckers under your tutelage...all I can say is garbage in, garbage out.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Professor H on March 01, 2016, 07:55:28 PM
LOL...and you said that with such certainty.

I guess that's from years of trying to convince people you knew what you're talking about...when in actuality you're about as dumb as they come.

And when I think of those poor suckers under your tutelage...all I can say is garbage in, garbage out.

And I'm sure you've never had a "work" vehicle that had either... 

Tell us all the computer fires you've investigated? 
Then tell us about all the Fryer fires you prevented using the safety shut offs...


Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 01, 2016, 08:04:13 PM
And I'm sure you've never had a "work" vehicle that had either... 

Tell us all the computer fires you've investigated? 
Then tell us about all the Fryer fires you prevented using the safety shut offs...
LOL...you're a moron just like your butt-buddy MN.

As I said in the other thread...had to replace the wiring harness of a Ford E350 that caught fire just sitting parked for weeks. Still have the evidence to remind me of what junk Ford makes. Ford sent a recall notice but I think it was for another fire related issue concerning the cruise. The web is full of examples of Ford fires. That battery disconnect takes the worry out of it.

The bottom line...you have no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 01, 2016, 08:13:34 PM
LOL...you're a moron just like your butt-buddy MN.

As I said in the other thread...had to replace the wiring harness of a Ford E350 that caught fire just sitting parked for weeks. Still have the evidence to remind me of what junk Ford makes. Ford sent a recall notice but I think it was for another fire related issue concerning the cruise. The web is full of examples of Ford fires. That battery disconnect takes the worry out of it.

The bottom line...you have no idea what you're talking about.

You outta know about junkers in your yard considering where you reside at.  The fire was most likely caused by a rat chewing on the wiring....  Abandoned vehicles breed vermin.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 01, 2016, 08:15:29 PM
The cruise control module issue was in Super Duty pickups with 7.3 diesels, way outta your league or wherewithall anyway.  Had nothing to do with a beater like you tool around in....
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 01, 2016, 08:17:32 PM
You outta know about junkers in your yard considering where you reside at.  The fire was most likely caused by a rat chewing on the wiring....  Abandoned vehicles breed vermin.
No evidence of that. And it wasn't abandoned...only driven infrequently because that was back when gas prices were high...and 5 MPG put the hurt on me.

The cruise control module issue was in Super Duty pickups with 7.3 diesels, way outta your league or wherewithall anyway.  Had nothing to do with a beater like you tool around in....
Again you act like you know what you're talking about...but you don't.
Title: Re: The Monroe County Road Commission; the good, the bad, and the ugly!!!
Post by: Monroe Native on March 01, 2016, 08:24:48 PM
You outta know about junkers in your yard considering where you reside at.  The fire was most likely caused by a rat chewing on the wiring....  Abandoned vehicles breed vermin.

Vermin love nesting in engine compartments - and gnawing on wiring.

But it has to be Fords fault - no