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Title: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 19, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
I'm thinking that the "D" s are speechless after the election...   

or,

They all decided to travel to Ferguson and await "Justice"...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on November 19, 2014, 01:02:17 PM
Taxation without representation by elected public servants.  If memory serves me correctly, we once had a little war over that concept.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 28, 2014, 09:36:19 AM
I'm thinking that the county commissioners are likely falling back into their bad habit of picking from the good ole boys for road commission
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on November 28, 2014, 11:07:07 AM
I posted a question about the appointments in a new thread. None of the above is not an option because these are the only applicants that made the deadline.
Mav
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 28, 2014, 03:30:46 PM
I posted a question about the appointments in a new thread. None of the above is not an option because these are the only applicants that made the deadline.
Mav


Is there a rule that says you MUST pick from these if none pass the muster?   I doubt it
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 28, 2014, 05:43:43 PM
Is it surprising the you get a list of deadbeat applicants for the MCRC when they have the meetings when they do?

Anyone with a "real" job need not apply to serve on that board......

 8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 28, 2014, 11:09:31 PM
Is it surprising the you get a list of deadbeat applicants for the MCRC when they have the meetings when they do?

Anyone with a "real" job need not apply to serve on that board......

 8*

I've always felt that was conveniently arranged that way.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 28, 2014, 11:14:55 PM
I've always felt that was conveniently arranged that way.

They might get a few qualified people if they had the meetings in the evenings - when board meetings are usually held.

Instead they get the usual field of political hacks and union lackeys.

No wonder it is as screwed up as it is.

Why doesn't the County Commissioners just disband it again and hire a professional to take care of it?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on November 28, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
There meetings I believe are at 7 in the evening.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on November 28, 2014, 11:25:27 PM
First or second Monday of the month.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 28, 2014, 11:48:16 PM
Don't they pop a bunch of meetings during the days Mav?

The type that the public notices are hung up in the visitors john?

I believe I've seen that discussed on here before.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on November 28, 2014, 11:51:40 PM
I don't think so. I've only seen evening meetings and occasionally workshops on Saturdays
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 29, 2014, 12:03:03 AM
I was misinformed.

Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 30, 2014, 09:37:44 AM
I'm thinking the resident that had a fire in the Manor, wishes they had firefighters at the N.Custer Station...    2 police officers in a car don't do much... 

Don't worry - they kept it out of the news - so you wouldn't really know.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on November 30, 2014, 09:48:38 AM
I'm thinking the resident that had a fire in the Manor, wishes they had firefighters at the N.Custer Station...    2 police officers in a car don't do much... 

Don't worry - they kept it out of the news - so you wouldn't really know.


Are you referring to the fire at 650 Donnalee ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 30, 2014, 09:59:23 AM
Still more fire protection than you have Prof....

 8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on November 30, 2014, 10:42:47 AM
I'm thinking that some just cannot discuss any topic without expressing it in a confrontational or offensive manner that halts further rational debate.  Same observation as to what is wrong with Congress and politics in general in this country where just being a "jerk" is the norm.  No wonder we are all done!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 30, 2014, 03:45:16 PM
Still more fire protection than you have Prof....

 8*
Not under the current experiment -
We have Monroe Township ...  Same as you  ;D
 
a few citizens were wondering why it took so long to get a FIRE truck - when the station was a few blocks away  :(   
None of this came from anyone on the fire department or the news since it wasn't made newsworthy - but from someone I know who lived nearby and told me what they saw... 

Are you referring to the fire at 650 Donnalee ??? ??? ???
Near or on John Rolfe is what I heard, so it could be...

Careless cook/ garage with damage to the neighboring house.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on November 30, 2014, 04:08:35 PM
Word is is that a Lincoln from the township made it there before the fire truck did.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 30, 2014, 05:01:34 PM
Did ya know Strippers love to watch firefighters in action

especially when you tell them you have brass pole experience!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 30, 2014, 05:23:29 PM
Did ya know Strippers love to watch firefighters in action

especially when you tell them you have brass pole experience!

Never saw a brass pole at a tit club, always chrome.... ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 30, 2014, 06:14:03 PM
Not under the current experiment -
We have Monroe Township ...  Same as you  ;D
 
a few citizens were wondering why it took so long to get a FIRE truck - when the station was a few blocks away  :( 

Its not an experiment Prof, and you know that very well.

To call it an experiment would be to pretend that there is a different model to go back to, and you know the money just isn't there to man it like it was.  I was at the meeting where your Union pissed away the last hope for manpower to be sitting at that station, and as we discussed it was a sad night for the town.

Maybe there are other models we could use.  I advocate a City of Monroe Volunteer force.  As you stated so eloquently it seems to work in Monroe TWP, and that is what you have in your TWP, even though you don't live in Monroe TWP.  We could also explore Paid on Call - like Frenchtown recently did.  Either service model would work - but I bet you the union you belong / belonged to would squeal like a stuck pig if either one of them were proposed.  But hey - I am all about what is the best service for the citizens, and if they go to volunteer, I will be the first to sign up.  Heck, I would even think about paid on call if all the pay was deferred.

There isn't money to go back to a Traditional Fire Department - at least not until all that pension obligations are paid off.  Its just too bad that last millage increase had to go to pay for past obligations instead to pay current services rendered?

I mean wouldn't it be nice if the current residents weren't paying for services rendered 20 years ago and today?  I bet you we could get better service then!

 ;)

Hope you didn't find this confrontation like Fuzz is accusing me off, and humorous like I intended it.  Frankly I found his little fit to be fairly humorous, because I do find it sad that there isn't manning at that station around the clock.  At least ONE guy to drive the truck to the fire at least.

It is something that isn't talked about much, the cone of silence is over it, and when something happens they pretend it is the exception, not the rule.

With that said Larry Merkle runs one heck of a Fire Dept in Monroe Township, does he not?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 30, 2014, 07:44:04 PM
Its not an experiment Prof, and you know that very well.

To call it an experiment would be to pretend that there is a different model to go back to, and you know the money just isn't there to man it like it was.  I was at the meeting where your Union pissed away the last hope for manpower to be sitting at that station, and as we discussed it was a sad night for the town.

Maybe there are other models we could use.  I advocate a City of Monroe Volunteer force.  As you stated so eloquently it seems to work in Monroe TWP, and that is what you have in your TWP, even though you don't live in Monroe TWP.  We could also explore Paid on Call - like Frenchtown recently did.  Either service model would work - but I bet you the union you belong / belonged to would squeal like a stuck pig if either one of them were proposed.  But hey - I am all about what is the best service for the citizens, and if they go to volunteer, I will be the first to sign up.  Heck, I would even think about paid on call if all the pay was deferred.

There isn't money to go back to a Traditional Fire Department - at least not until all that pension obligations are paid off.  Its just too bad that last millage increase had to go to pay for past obligations instead to pay current services rendered?

I mean wouldn't it be nice if the current residents weren't paying for services rendered 20 years ago and today?  I bet you we could get better service then!

 ;)

Hope you didn't find this confrontation like Fuzz is accusing me off, and humorous like I intended it.  Frankly I found his little fit to be fairly humorous, because I do find it sad that there isn't manning at that station around the clock.  At least ONE guy to drive the truck to the fire at least.

It is something that isn't talked about much, the cone of silence is over it, and when something happens they pretend it is the exception, not the rule.

With that said Larry Merkle runs one heck of a Fire Dept in Monroe Township, does he not?
I hear that the City is hiring Firefighters again - so that's why I call it what it was...  a failed experiment.

You almost had a mutiny of cops leaving the program - if they hadn't let the ring leader have a cushy desk job without testing for it... 

Check your sources you'll figure it out quick 

As far as the pension - it's funded
Just got the retirement system letter
98.2% funded!     with an increase of 13.7 million last year. 
I doubt many other systems are funded at that level

Your complaint is that the Council gave raises - not figured in the actuarial calculations - and now they have to pay for it.

As far as your knowledge on what other departments have and what works best  - I'll leave it at best you really don't know the terminology.

Monroe Twp is paid on call,  Frenchtown has both full and paid on call...   
The term "Volunteer" is from the past when the government had no interest, but the citizens formed units to provide services...   then over time the governments got involved (especially after they learned they were liable).

There may be a few departments that still have volunteers - but with the time involvement of calls and training - the people willing to do it are less and less,

The numbers are down and the age of those left are increasing...   
I hate reading about a 60 plus yo firefighter who died after responding to a call...   this is not a job for 60 plus year olds!

We really should discuss this sometime in person... 
although it may take hours as I enjoy a good debate
and neither of us is lacking in getting in the last word   ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on December 01, 2014, 08:53:03 AM
I'm thinking the resident that had a fire in the Manor, wishes they had firefighters at the N.Custer Station...    2 police officers in a car don't do much... 

Don't worry - they kept it out of the news - so you wouldn't really know.

I've heard the city dispatched back to the scene 3 times for rekindles...  don't know if they were actually burning or just a hot spot.  The last time was 3 days after the original fire and central did say the owner was in the home and was requesting a fire truck as they had one spot that was still "steaming"!  Central was very thorough though...  they asked the responding truck if they wanted Frenchtown dispatched for assistance...   for the record, they said "NO, I think we can handle this one" :o :o :o
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 01, 2014, 09:39:52 AM
Well police cars can only carry so much water...    ;D

Sad to hear someone had a fire on Thanksgiving, and I'm surprised they didn't have a fire restoration crew in already... 3 days later. 

Hopefully they didn't have some cut rate insurance - or hopefully they actually had insurance!

Those crews respond 24 hours a day 7 days a week - and usually don't take a year or more unless it's government work...  (Sawyer House)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Epitaph on December 18, 2014, 01:25:58 PM
An outsider's view:
Im wondering how cost effective living in Monroe is becoming... thinking sooner or later home owners rates will reflect the reduction in services, not to mention other expenses folks have to cover to reside where they do. Monroe seems to always be distracted with attracting tourist $, maybe they should be more concerned about Retaining residential $. There are always cuts/savings that can be made. It just depends on whether folks choose to work together to benefit the community and foster growth, or continue to work against each other as adversaries to degrade, erode, and eventually retard and inhibit growth.
As long as everyone has the "not on MY dime" attitude growth is not active, but erosion is. there's a perfect example of that about 40 miles north. Maybe one day Monroe will have the distinction of being known as the little "D" to the south, cause to me it sounds like the same name calling, bickering, in-fighting, and general overall blame placing that those in the big "D" have been doing for decades that got them into bankruptcy.

I think this is what it looks like when individuals of neighborhoods,  communities, states, and nations put their personal, individual interests ahead of the over-all good of ALL those who comprise those entities combined. Sounds like the perfect recipe for collapse, anarchy, and destruction of the whole.

But maybe I think too much.
 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 20, 2014, 12:05:36 AM
I'm thinking that either a lot of perfect crimes are happening -
or the "investigation" side of our LE is something that needs to be looked at and overhauled... 

the Nevaeh case,  the car bombing,  the disappearance of a woman from a party
and these are only the ones that make the news   

How many other cases or unsolved crimes are out there,
 and does anyone even track this statistic?

I doubt you'll find it in the annual reports... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 20, 2014, 07:21:58 PM
I'm thinking that both Obama and Putin are on slippery slopes........
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 21, 2014, 02:53:07 AM
I hear that the City is hiring Firefighters again - so that's why I call it what it was...  a failed experiment.

You almost had a mutiny of cops leaving the program - if they hadn't let the ring leader have a cushy desk job without testing for it... 

Check your sources you'll figure it out quick 

As far as the pension - it's funded
Just got the retirement system letter
98.2% funded!     with an increase of 13.7 million last year. 
I doubt many other systems are funded at that level

Your complaint is that the Council gave raises - not figured in the actuarial calculations - and now they have to pay for it.

As far as your knowledge on what other departments have and what works best  - I'll leave it at best you really don't know the terminology.

Monroe Twp is paid on call,  Frenchtown has both full and paid on call...   
The term "Volunteer" is from the past when the government had no interest, but the citizens formed units to provide services...   then over time the governments got involved (especially after they learned they were liable).

There may be a few departments that still have volunteers - but with the time involvement of calls and training - the people willing to do it are less and less,

The numbers are down and the age of those left are increasing...   
I hate reading about a 60 plus yo firefighter who died after responding to a call...   this is not a job for 60 plus year olds!

We really should discuss this sometime in person... 
although it may take hours as I enjoy a good debate
and neither of us is lacking in getting in the last word   ;D

Not the benefits side - as you well know.

Hence the millage rate increase - to attempt to meet the shortfall - but they admit it wont.

Love to, but hard to find time between my work schedule and your retirement schedule!

 ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 21, 2014, 11:55:11 AM

I see the person who was given the cushy job to stop the mutiny has been busy with a few fires - and he apparently learned to not let another rekindle occur ...   ;)  The State will come in and assist on the latest as a death was involved.   
 
Investigating fires is much different from investigating crimes

Let me know how the Statistic of solved crimes search goes... 
instead you get: (from the police budget presentation to council)

• 310,287 Miles patrolled    (35 miles/hr)
• 2533 Citations issued      (7/day)
• 1815 Warnings issued
• 1043 Subpoena’s served
• 6472 Parking violations      (18/day)

They are good at showing busy work -
Curious why not results...
For instance - How many of these were solved? 
                           (and why is it a secret?)
Homicide
Robbery
Criminal Sexual Conduct
Auto Theft
Breaking & Entering
Larceny

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 21, 2014, 12:03:07 PM
Not the benefits side - as you well know.

Hence the millage rate increase - to attempt to meet the shortfall - but they admit it wont.

Love to, but hard to find time between my work schedule and your retirement schedule!

 ;)
Its more about the raises that the council gave out to people who already retired...   not benefits, however I commend the actions years ago the City took to start funding those.   
Those in Police/Fire - paid for their benefits during their careers as the actuarial expenses to any of those were costed out...  remember we don't get or pay into social security. 
The Pension is well funded, and I'm sure after this years "Market" it should be back to what it was when I was working - over 100% funded.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 21, 2014, 03:29:05 PM
Pizz on the city, I don't live there............
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 21, 2014, 04:05:40 PM
Its more about the raises that the council gave out to people who already retired...   not benefits, however I commend the actions years ago the City took to start funding those.   
Those in Police/Fire - paid for their benefits during their careers as the actuarial expenses to any of those were costed out...  remember we don't get or pay into social security. 
The Pension is well funded, and I'm sure after this years "Market" it should be back to what it was when I was working - over 100% funded.

Prof!

I applaud you for bringing up the BS retiree raise.

Ludicrous!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 29, 2014, 09:22:17 AM
Interesting article on the priorities of each President - towards family and others

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Like many Americans, U.S. presidents often take time off around the holidays.

However, according to journalist Joseph Curl, who previously covered the White House, former President George W. Bush went on Christmas vacation in a way that stands in direct contrast to President Barack Obama.

“[H]ere’s the thing: In December, we never left Washington, D.C., until the day after Christmas. Never. Mr. Bush and his wife, Laura, would always depart the White House a few days before the holiday and hunker down at Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland,” Curl wrote in a 2013 column that was republished Thursday.

After a few years, curiosity finally got to the former Washington Times reporter and he asked a low-level administration official why.

I still remember what she said,” Curl wrote. “’So all of us can be with our families on Christmas.’”

“Who was ‘us’? Hundreds and hundreds of people, that’s who. Sure, the reporters who covered the president, but also dozens and dozens on his staff, 100 Secret Service agents, maybe more, and all of those city cops required whenever the president’s on the move in D.C.,” Curl added in his column.

However, things seemingly changed when Obama took office.

“[T]his president would never delay his trip to his island getaway. He’s off every year well before Christmas. Hundreds and hundreds head off with him, leaving family behind,” Curl wrote.


“No Christmas at home,” he added. “Instead, the Hawaiian Village Waikiki Beach Resort. Nice, but not exactly home.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/25/why-george-w-bush-never-left-d-c-until-the-day-after-christmas/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/25/why-george-w-bush-never-left-d-c-until-the-day-after-christmas/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 01, 2015, 10:45:57 PM
I'm thinking the NYPD is sending a strong message to the Mayor -
Curious what will come out of it...



It has helped contribute to a nose dive in low-level policing, with overall arrests down 66 percent for the week starting Dec. 22 compared with the same period in 2013, stats show.
Citations for traffic violations fell by 94 percent, from 10,069 to 587, during that time frame.
Summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination also plunged 94 percent — from 4,831 to 300.
Even parking violations are way down, dropping by 92 percent, from 14,699 to 1,241.
Drug arrests by cops assigned to the NYPD’s Organized Crime Control Bureau — which are part of the overall number — dropped by 84 percent, from 382 to 63.
http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/ (http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on January 01, 2015, 11:32:26 PM
I'm thinking the NYPD is sending a strong message to the Mayor -
Curious what will come out of it...



It has helped contribute to a nose dive in low-level policing, with overall arrests down 66 percent for the week starting Dec. 22 compared with the same period in 2013, stats show.
Citations for traffic violations fell by 94 percent, from 10,069 to 587, during that time frame.
Summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination also plunged 94 percent — from 4,831 to 300.
Even parking violations are way down, dropping by 92 percent, from 14,699 to 1,241.
Drug arrests by cops assigned to the NYPD’s Organized Crime Control Bureau — which are part of the overall number — dropped by 84 percent, from 382 to 63.
[url]http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/[/url] ([url]http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/[/url])


A 92 reduction in parking tickets would cost NYC over 500 million dollars per year.

The city’s finance department is looking into alternative payment methods like Apple Pay, PayPal and Bitcoin for the roughly $600 million in parking ticket revenue it collects annually by issuing up to 10 million tickets.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nyc-weighs-bitcoin-apple-pay-for-parking-tickets-2014-12-30?link=MW_home_latest_news (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nyc-weighs-bitcoin-apple-pay-for-parking-tickets-2014-12-30?link=MW_home_latest_news)

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on January 02, 2015, 11:58:34 AM

This was sent to me in an email. I can't vouch for the validity of all the facts, but here it is.
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http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Bill-de-Blasio-Old-Young.jpg (http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Bill-de-Blasio-Old-Young.jpg)

Here are ten interesting facts you may not know about New York City’s Communist Democrat Mayor Bill de Blasio, who was elected in 2013 with a whopping 72% of the vote. The leftist mayor is accused of fostering an environment that led to the tragic execution-style racial assassinations of two NYPD officers on Saturday.
 
Bill de Blasio was born Warren Wilhelm, Jr., on May 8, 1961. He first changedhis name to the hyphenated Warren de Blasio-Wilhelm, adding his mother’s maiden name. In 2002, he dropped the “Warren” and the “Wilhelm,” and changed his name for a second time to what it is currently, Bill de Blasio.
·         Bill de Blasio was the campaign manager for Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign in 2000.
·         Bill de Blasio was a fervent supporter of the Marxist Sandinista government in Nicaragua in the 1980′s, a government that was backed by the Communist Soviet Union and Cuba.
·         At the height of Cold War tension, while still a student at New York University, de Blasio toured the Communist Soviet Union in 1983.
·         His first job was in 1984 with the NYC Department of Juvenile Justice.
·         Bill de Blasio received a master’s degree in International and Public Affairs at Columbia University, the same school attended by Barack Obama.
·         Bill de Blasio ran Democrat New York Congressman Charlie Rangel’s re-election campaign in 1994.
·         In 1994, Bill de Blasio married a lesbian activist, Chirlane McCray. The newlyweds honeymooned in Fidel Castro’s Communist Cuba.
·         In 2009, de Blasio’s election campaign to be NYC’s third “Public Advocate” was supported by the pro-Communism, Working Families Party.
·         Both of de Blasio’s parents were communists, leading historian Ron Radosh to describe him as a “bona fide red diaper baby.”
And the unread and uninformed LOONS elected this NIT-WIT?.......DUH!!!!!



 
 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on January 02, 2015, 12:44:26 PM
I saw yesterday where Jeb Bush resigned from all of the board of director positions he held with various companies and commissions.

Wonder if elected he would give cabinet positions to W, Dick Cheeny, Shawn Hannity, Bill O'Rielly, and Rush.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 02, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
And if Clinton gets in her's would be...

The young turks, Rachel Maddow,  Chris Matthews, Opra, Mike Malloy
with  Al Sharpton as the AG
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on January 02, 2015, 06:11:58 PM
For entertainment purposes, I'm in if she includes Jessie Jackson as Secretary of the Ways and Means committee, Monica Lewinski as Chief of Staff, and Nancy Grace as Attorney General.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 03, 2015, 12:56:40 AM
How Low Income New Yorkers Are Benefiting From The NYPD’s Work Stoppage

In response to growing tensions between the New York Police Department and the city, police unions encouraged officers last week to not make arrests “unless absolutely necessary,” resulting in a 66 percent drop from the same period last year. While the protests have drawn scrutiny for “squandering the department’s credibility” and leaving the city’s streets virtually unattended, they have also had the unintended effect of benefitting New York’s low income residents who are usually the target of the city’s tough-on-crime practices.

The work stoppage is a result of outrage by police officers — led by union chief Patrick Lynch — over how Mayor Bill de Blasio responded to a grand jury’s decision not to indict the police officer who killed Eric Garner, an unarmed African American man. The brutal murders of two New York city officers by a troubled man from Maryland in an apparent retaliation for the Garner killing has only inflamed tensions, leading Lynch to blame de Blasio for the killing and scores of police officers to engage in protest actions against the mayor.

The signs of tension first became apparent when some police officers turned their backs to de Blasio when he spoke in the hospital following the assassinations and then engaged in a mass back-turning when the mayor spoke at the funeral of Officer Rafael Ramos. Last week, the police went a step further and stopped arresting New Yorkers for small crimes or ticketing people for minor offenses like parking violations, carrying open containers of alcohol or public urination.

As a result of what the New York Post is calling a “virtual work stoppage,” tickets and summonses for minor offenses have plummeted by 94 percent and overall arrests have fallen 66 percent. Theoretically, the practice will strain police budgets, which rely on fines from tickets to make-up for funding shortfalls. ​

Although it’s not the intended goal of the work stoppage, the decline in arrests could save New Yorkers money. The city residents who are normally hit with tickets for minor violations tend to be low income individuals who are forced to pay up a hefty portion of their paychecks.

The city began following the broken-windows style of policing in the early 1980s, a strategy championed by NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton which focuses on eliminating low-level crime to prevent more violent offenses in the city’s neighborhoods. But a report earlier this year by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhattan found that the NYPD’s practice of arresting more people for minor offenses since 1980 has disproportionately affected young black and Latino men.

While de Blasio and Bratton have followed through on their promise to reform the city’s stop and frisk practices and the mayor announced in November that police would stop making arrests for low-level marijuana possessions, there are still racial biases in police practices throughout the city that result in a tougher financial burden on those already struggling to make ends meet.

And New Yorkers of all income levels are also saving money on one of the most consistent ways the city can slam people with tickets— parking violations are down by 92 percent, from 14,699 to just 1,241 this year.

NYPD officers have long spoken about quotas which require them to issue a certain number of summons per month to maintain statistics showing a reduction of crime in the city’s neighborhoods. Although Bratton promised an end to arrest quotas when he took office in January, the city’s police are still operating under a quota system which is illegal under state law, according to a recent report by the Police Reform Organizing Project. The group called on Bratton and de Blasio to end the quota system in its October report, which described how police are still using the quota system, as evidenced by the number of misdemeanor arrests and the poor quality of those arrests under Bratton.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/02/3607516/nypd-work-stoppage/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/02/3607516/nypd-work-stoppage/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 03, 2015, 01:33:57 AM
Cuss warning:

NYPD Work Stoppage Causes Arrests To Decrease 66%

NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent following the execution of two cops — as officers feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety, The Post has learned.

The dramatic drop comes as Police Commissioner Bill Bratton and Mayor Bill de Blasio plan to hold an emergency summit on Tuesday with the heads of the five police unions to try to close the widening rift between cops and the administration.

The unprecedented meeting is being held at the new Police Academy in Queens at 2 p.m., sources said."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdn82Cvta7I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdn82Cvta7I#)

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NYPD cuts arrests drastically after double homicide

Critics of the New York City Police Department are accusing the law enforcement agency of conducting a “virtual work stoppage” to protest anti-brutality demonstrators and Mayor Bill de Blasio. Arrests are down 66 percent from this time last year, while traffic tickets and parking violations have both dropped by over 90 percent.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGBgcsu5Ybk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGBgcsu5Ybk#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 09, 2015, 09:18:58 PM
I'm thinking the lady who decided to come to Monroe's McDonald's with her kids to do Heroin - should stay here in our Jail for a  year and give us reports on how much fun it was... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on January 11, 2015, 08:46:54 AM
I'm thinking that if we can't elect local officials that can run an effective government on a small scale that how we can expect to put people in office to run the country on a large scale.

I am so disenchanted with local governments in Monroe County not holding people responsible to run and/or eliminate a dysfunctional road commission, a LE agency that can not solve a single major crime, a LE agency that can't control a heroine epidemic and chose to instead focus on pot control, and City and County Commissioners that are not stepping up to the plate and hammering these people in charge to fix these issues.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 12, 2015, 09:51:30 AM
I'm thinking something is fishy when you can go to jail for not paying bills (debtors Prisons returning?)
but you don't go to jail for abandoning your kids to shoot up with heroin?


http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/09/former-michigan-american-idol-finalist-ordered-jai/?police-and-fire (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/09/former-michigan-american-idol-finalist-ordered-jai/?police-and-fire)

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/01/american_idol_finalist_lakisha.html#incart_m-rpt-2 (http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/01/american_idol_finalist_lakisha.html#incart_m-rpt-2)

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 13, 2015, 11:19:34 PM
I'm thinking I'd pay money to watch Sharpton go through police training...

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Sheriff Joe Invites Al Sharpton To Experience Real Police Training

After local civil rights activist Jarrett Maupin had a change of heart through his involvement with the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department, Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio wants to extend the same courtesy to Al Sharpton.

Maupin took part in a training exercise recently which gave him a hands-on understanding of the split-second decisions law enforcement officers must make in the line of duty.


Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/sheriff-joe-invites-al-sharpton-experience-real-police-training/#QMjU0vy2sXlOtvJR.99 (http://www.westernjournalism.com/sheriff-joe-invites-al-sharpton-experience-real-police-training/#QMjU0vy2sXlOtvJR.99)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 14, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
The government sure hates Sheriff Joe but this country needs about 1000 more like him
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 16, 2015, 07:22:47 AM
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LANSING -- Retailers on Thursday praised Gov. Rick Snyder for signing legislation they said would help put them on a level playing field by requiring large online retailers such as Amazon to collect and remit the state's 6% sales tax.

The "Main Street Fairness" legislation is aimed at requiring large Internet retailers with a presence in Michigan, such as Amazon, to collect and remit the state sales tax on Michigan purchases, starting Oct. 1.

The bipartisan legislation was pushed by traditional retailers who say tax-free Internet sales are unfairly undermining their businesses.

"Local brick-and-mortar businesses drive our economy and without implementing this fix, whey will continue to serve as showrooms for online retailers," Snyder said.

Oh Thank God Snyder and the Legislature saved main street by taxing the internet!

What a joke!

Do they REALLY think I buy that is why they did this? 

Its just another money grab.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 16, 2015, 12:14:20 PM
I'm thinking I'd pay money to watch Sharpton go through police training...

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Sheriff Joe Invites Al Sharpton To Experience Real Police Training

After local civil rights activist Jarrett Maupin had a change of heart through his involvement with the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department, Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio wants to extend the same courtesy to Al Sharpton.

Maupin took part in a training exercise recently which gave him a hands-on understanding of the split-second decisions law enforcement officers must make in the line of duty.


Read more at [url]http://www.westernjournalism.com/sheriff-joe-invites-al-sharpton-experience-real-police-training/#QMjU0vy2sXlOtvJR.99[/url] ([url]http://www.westernjournalism.com/sheriff-joe-invites-al-sharpton-experience-real-police-training/#QMjU0vy2sXlOtvJR.99[/url])


What Sharpton needs is a 'vacation' in one of Arpaio's pup tents under a bridge and working on a road gang in the daytime.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 16, 2015, 12:15:37 PM
Oh Thank God Snyder and the Legislature saved main street by taxing the internet!

What a joke!

Do they REALLY think I buy that is why they did this? 

Its just another money grab.

Give Snyder a second term abd he instantly goes to hell..............
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 16, 2015, 12:33:23 PM
Give Snyder a second term abd he instantly goes to hell..............

Just think of the size of the surplus now!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 16, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Might be better served in the WHAT WHERE YOU THINKING category?   8*

Gee I'll risk my 68K/yr job  by using the company card for my personal stuff?
It almost like the School Principle that embezzled from the boy scouts

Started back in 2011 and they just discovered it this past November?
You can only fool a few auditors - for a while...   
I find it hard to believe this wasn't caught earlier by auditors?   


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The City of Milan’s former clerk-treasurer has been charged with felony embezzlement after she was accused of racking up thousands of dollars in personal purchases on the city’s credit card.

Sherry L. Steinwedel, 49, of (edited out address)., Milan, was arraigned before First District Judge Jack Vitale this week on a charge of embezzlement by a public official, a felony that carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000

Ms. Steinwedel was freed on a personal bond.

She has resigned as clerk-treasurer, an appointed position she held since 1998.

“This appears to be an isolated problem,” Milan Mayor Michael Armitage said in a statement. “The City of Milan is committed to transparency as well as a high level of ethics within city government.”

Ms. Steinwedel is accused of using a city-owned credit card to charge between $3,000 and $5,000 in personal purchases at retailers such as Crafts 2000, Walmart, Hobby Lobby and Macy’s, according to the Michigan State Police of the Monroe post.

First Lt. Tony Cuevas, post commander, said the illegal transactions appeared to have begun at least since 2011. Ms. Steinwedel reportedly tried to repay some of those purchases, but charges were filed anyway, he said.

“You just can’t use city funds to make personal transactions,” Lt. Cuevas said. “The credit card is only for official use.”

The city’s auditing firm discovered discrepancies in November and notified city officials. Milan police then asked the state police to conduct an independent investigation to avoid any potential conflicts of interest.

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Lt. Cuevas said the detective investigated the case for about two weeks.

According to Michigan law, an embezzlement charge becomes a felony for a public official who spends more than $50 of public funds for personal use.

Ms. Steinwedel has resigned from her position, which paid her an annual salary of at least $68,750, an amount that was approved beginning in the 2011-12 fiscal year.

The Monroe County Prosecutor’s Office authorized the charge afte the investigation and Ms. Steinwedel appeared in court this week. She was released on a $5,000 personal bond and has not hired an attorney, court records show. She is scheduled back in court Thursday for a pretrial hearing.

Mayor Armitage said there does not appear to be any direct correlation between her resignation and the discovery of the illegal activity.

He said he will continue to be committed to monitor city finances. The audit, the mayor added, has been completed and turned in to the Michigan Department of Treasury for review.

“The city has been in the process of and will continue to implement procedures which will provide for more efficient monitoring systems of the city’s finances by the city administration,” the mayor said.

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/16/ex-milan-treasurer-faces-charges/?news (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/16/ex-milan-treasurer-faces-charges/?news)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 17, 2015, 11:07:27 PM
I'm thinking someone blasted a page and a half of posts to bury this topic :-)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 18, 2015, 01:11:29 AM
I'm thinking someone blasted a page and a half of posts to bury this topic :-)
That would insinuate that I would have an interest in covering up the transgressions of a treasurer...which is absurd. The way the right envisions conspiracies in everything is just crazy. Perhaps it's related to the typical weight problems that seem so common amongst fat cat republicans. They seem to suffer from sleep apnea...which boils down to oxygen deprivation...basically starving the brain. Either that or the right is just perpetually drunk.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 20, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
I thought it was a good speech by Snyder tonight.

I liked most of the vision and ideas he laid forth.

I guess my favorite was him hitting on the Middle College Concept - something that Monroe County does very well, and that Michigan needs to do something to combat drug abuse - something Monroe County also does very well.

I must admit I didn't see the whole thing - but I was especially impressed with his ending - taking a swipe at the dysfunction in Washington, and that they are focused on relentless positive action.

I hope the state can move in a positive direction - without more tax dollars.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 20, 2015, 11:23:23 PM
Interesting to find that a topic on Islamic Terrorist and free speech -
Was locked by the admin?
and it wasn't the thread that had all the bickering in it
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 21, 2015, 06:43:03 AM
So bickering okay - but spam by Dickweed not okay?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 21, 2015, 10:23:45 AM
I'm thinking the Admin was snoozing on the job and locked the wrong thread
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 21, 2015, 10:57:39 AM
Gee another City manager that likes to punish employee's ...   ;D

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/21/city-manager-apologizes-for-withholding-union/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/21/city-manager-apologizes-for-withholding-union/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on January 21, 2015, 11:14:30 AM
Gee another City manager that likes to punish employee's ...   ;D

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/21/city-manager-apologizes-for-withholding-union/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/21/city-manager-apologizes-for-withholding-union/[/url])


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He says there are still "many great things we can accomplish by working together."


I love managers (in any field) that say one thing and do the complete opposite...

(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33900000/Actions-Speak-Louder-Than-Words-Fact-100-Real-allsoppa-33975479-500-475.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 21, 2015, 07:30:05 PM
I love managers (in any field) that say one thing and do the complete opposite...

([url]http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33900000/Actions-Speak-Louder-Than-Words-Fact-100-Real-allsoppa-33975479-500-475.jpg[/url])


He still has his job - so apparently it doesn't matter to the elected officials...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 22, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
Looking to get some of that Road Commission  - State - $$?

Here's your chance to get one of those nice blue tractors to mow and sweep...

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/22/monroe-county-road-commission-state-mowing/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/22/monroe-county-road-commission-state-mowing/)
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/22/monroe-county-road-commission-invitation-bid/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/22/monroe-county-road-commission-invitation-bid/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 22, 2015, 08:08:12 PM
New Holland Tractors only last so long when left sitting out in the weather and no maintenance.

I suspect they are junk.

I'll jump right up and bid on it..............not.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 23, 2015, 02:56:15 PM
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Michigan's union membership fell 7.6% in 2014, the first full year that the state's right-to-work law was in place, to 14.5%. Michigan became the 24th right-to-work state in March, 2013.


http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/columnists/2015/01/23/union-membership-michigan-right-work-fall-state/22219305/ (http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/columnists/2015/01/23/union-membership-michigan-right-work-fall-state/22219305/)

Gee - Right to Work gave workers the right to get the heck out of their Unions.

7.6% down in the first year - and the UAW and MEA contracts are yet to be affected by how the law was written.

If I was a Union boss I would be taking notice - and changing my way to retain members.

Maybe not supporting one extreme party so much?  Maybe doing more to back my members, and less to push my political agenda?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 23, 2015, 03:09:53 PM

Gee - Right to Work gave workers the right to get the heck out of their Unions.

7.6% down in the first year - and the UAW and MEA contracts are yet to be affected by how the law was written.

If I was a Union boss I would be taking notice - and changing my way to retain members.

Maybe not supporting one extreme party so much? Maybe doing more to back my members, and less to push my political agenda?

Years ago the Firefighters got it...

This was posted earlier for the Members of the IAFF -
Interesting that the only Union Leader in Attendance was the IAFF General President
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International Association of Fire Fighters
Yesterday at 1:00pm ·
Adding further credence to the IAFF’s bi-partisan approach of supporting those who support fire fighters, regardless of political party, IAFF General President Harold Schaitberger was the lone union leader in attendance at a big Jeb Bush function January 20 in Washington, DC.
https://www.facebook.com/IAFFonline/posts/796388757063918 (https://www.facebook.com/IAFFonline/posts/796388757063918)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 23, 2015, 04:23:55 PM
The funny thing is that "Big Business" long ago learned that you could lobby both sides of the aisle to your benefit - and it is VERY clear that they do it very successfully to their benefit - and often to the general populations detriment.

It is strange and very short sighted that most labor unions didn't take the same approach for their constituents.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 24, 2015, 11:34:19 AM
Should we be replacing vehicles in a fleet after 100k miles?

I just find it odd in today's cars - I have one with 200k miles still going strong
(them Lincolns run forever)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on January 24, 2015, 12:04:23 PM
Should we be replacing vehicles in a fleet after 100k miles?

I just find it odd in today's cars - I have one with 200k miles still going strong
(them Lincolns run forever)

At 100K they're just getting 'broke in' with today's vehicles...

Hopefully all government fleets are keeping detailed 'costs per vehicle' (fairly inexpensive and readily available software if they really need it) and only making decisions to 'replace rather than repair' when it is actually necessary.

My guess is you're seeing the results of some short sighted 'savings' by eliminating the real mechanics and replacing them with a couple of parts changers and oil change techs...   Huge savings in personnel costs (picture all the decision makers slapping each other on the back and laughing about how easy that was)...

but not bothering to look at the 'long term' results...

you know...   the ones that are starting to show up now as the vehicles need replacing because it's too expensive to 'fix them' (and it is if you have to send them all the way up to that Ford dealer in Owosso)!!!

But, he's probably someone's brother in law or long lost cousin or something like that!

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 24, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
At 100K they're just getting 'broke in' with today's vehicles...

Hopefully all government fleets are keeping detailed 'costs per vehicle' (fairly inexpensive and readily available software if they really need it) and only making decisions to 'replace rather than repair' when it is actually necessary.

My guess is you're seeing the results of some short sighted 'savings' by eliminating the real mechanics and replacing them with a couple of parts changers and oil change techs...   Huge savings in personnel costs (picture all the decision makers slapping each other on the back and laughing about how easy that was)...

but not bothering to look at the 'long term' results...

you know...   the ones that are starting to show up now as the vehicles need replacing because it's too expensive to 'fix them' (and it is if you have to send them all the way up to that Ford dealer in Owosso)!!!

But, he's probably someone's brother in law or long lost cousin or something like that!


My thoughts are they are replacing at 100k...   
Because we've always done it that way

I doubt they are going to restart the bridge testing program again  ;D
all servicing and body shop is done at Friendly Ford last I knew.

State contracts are often won by smaller dealers that need the business - thus willing to make bare bones.   Service/warranty is done by any dealer.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 25, 2015, 07:35:43 PM
It could be an interesting week in the stock market.

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"The sovereign Greek people today have given a clear, strong, indisputable mandate. Greece has turned a page. Greece is leaving behind the destructive austerity, fear and authoritarianism. It is leaving behind five years of humiliation and pain," Tsipras told a crowd of rapturous flag-waving supporters.

He won on promises to demand debt forgiveness and renegotiate the terms of Greece's 240 billion-euro ($270 billion) bailout, which has kept the debt-ridden country afloat since mid-2010.

To qualify for the cash, Greece has had to impose deep and bitterly resented cuts in public spending, wages and pensions, along with public sector layoffs and repeated tax increases.

Its progress in reforms is reviewed by inspectors from the International Monetary Fund, European Commission and European Central Bank, collectively known as the troika, before each installment of bailout funds can be released.

Tsipras pronounced the troika and its regular debt inspections "a thing of the past."

"The verdict of the Greek people ends, beyond any doubt, the vicious circle of austerity in our country," he said.

Greece's creditors insist the country must abide by previous commitments to continue receiving support.

The election results will be the main topic at Monday's meeting of eurozone finance ministers. Belgium's minister, Johan Van Overtveldt, said there is room for some flexibility, but not much.

"We can talk modalities, we can talk debt restructuring, but the cornerstone that Greece must respect the rules of monetary union - that must stay as it is," Van Overtveldt told VRT network.

Samaras conceded defeat, saying he had received a country "on the brink of disaster" when he took over in 2012 and was close to ushering it out of the crisis.

"I was asked to hold live coals in my hands and I did," he said. "Most gave us no prospect of lasting out and we did. We got the country out of deficits and recession ... and set the foundations for growth and a final exit from the crisis."

Syriza's anti-bailout rhetoric appealed to many in a country that, in the past five years, has seen a quarter of its economy wiped out, unemployment above 25 percent, and average income losses of at least 30 percent.

But Syriza's victory has renewed doubts over Greece's ability to emerge from the crisis, and generated fears that the country's finances could once again send shockwaves through global markets and undermine the euro, the currency shared by 19 European countries.

The centrist Potami party was battling for third place with the Nazi-inspired Golden Dawn, whose leader and several lawmakers campaigned from prison, where they are awaiting trial on charges of participating in a criminal organization.

If Syriza falls shy of the 151 seats necessary to form a government on its own in the 300-seat parliament, it will have to seek support from other parties - either in a minority government or as part of a coalition.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GREECE_ELECTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-25-12-09-15 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GREECE_ELECTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-25-12-09-15)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 25, 2015, 09:12:12 PM
It's all greek to me  <hold the groans>

It will be interesting to watch the global warming blizzard on the East Coast tomorrow...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 25, 2015, 09:37:28 PM
To bad the Super Bowl isn't in NY this year
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 26, 2015, 11:12:41 AM
I'm thinking it's odd the police report crime statistics to get more $$
Yet don't want citizens to use those crime statistics to infer whether or not their community has issues to deal with?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on January 26, 2015, 01:07:27 PM
.........along with having local media back the facade.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on January 26, 2015, 06:07:39 PM
I'm thinking it's odd the police report crime statistics to get more $$
Yet don't want citizens to use those crime statistics to infer whether or not their community has issues to deal with?



.........along with having local media back the facade.



Here's a link to the article from Saturday's paper:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/26/monroe-really-dangerous-place-view-stats-can-be-mu/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/26/monroe-really-dangerous-place-view-stats-can-be-mu/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 26, 2015, 06:44:34 PM


Here's a link to the article from Saturday's paper:

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/26/monroe-really-dangerous-place-view-stats-can-be-mu/[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jan/26/monroe-really-dangerous-place-view-stats-can-be-mu/[/url])

That's what I was referring to... 

I guess it goes to prove the adage

Liar's figure and figures Lie...   

Let's get back to buying cars to replace ones for no reason than we've always done it this way...     ;)   

After all there's no data on that we could possibly understand if the crime data is that useless  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on January 26, 2015, 07:26:02 PM
It could be an interesting week in the stock market.

[url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GREECE_ELECTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-25-12-09-15[/url] ([url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GREECE_ELECTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-25-12-09-15[/url])


A 270 billion dollar bailout?

Hell, we print that much extra funny money every 100 days or so.

That's peanuts!!!!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 27, 2015, 09:05:52 AM


When the concept of MT was first started (the previous forum was 'Eyes and Ears') the idea was to get a 'pulse' on what the public thought about 'current events' in the area.

I know that in those years with the increased use of Facebook has changed the impact that MT may have but I still think many of the MonroeNews staff are reading what is going on right here!

I've noticed a few "articles" lately - based off of similar discussions here   

The crime stats - that we are told are faulty  :o

The Heroin issues -

The Road Commission - new members thoughts on topics like GPS's   

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on January 29, 2015, 07:34:37 PM
Wonder by whom and how this amount of money is administered?  The total price tag of foreign aid through the State Department and the Pentagon has to be astronomical!

http://news.yahoo.com/us-says-details-aid-afghan-army-now-secret-180956976.html (http://news.yahoo.com/us-says-details-aid-afghan-army-now-secret-180956976.html)

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The US military will no longer divulge facts and figures about its costly effort to assist Afghan security forces, declaring the information top secret, officials said Thursday.

The move marks an about-face for the Pentagon, which for the past six years has reported a range of data about the $65 billion program to build up the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF).

The information included how US taxpayers' money has been spent and the state of the troubled country's police and army.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 30, 2015, 06:37:45 AM
Oh my.....

The Gov talks of combining departments....

And there is a big budget hole.....

Could there be a connection?

Hmmmmmm.....

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That collective sigh of relief you just heard was from four special interest groups that are apparently going to escape the budget axe when lawmakers start wielding it in a few weeks.

The state’s jobless rate dropped out of the top 10 this week and we are reportedly in year number six of an economic recovery, but yet the state still finds itself in a $550 million budget hole.

And there are only two ways to balance the books. Raise taxes. Ha. Or cut spending. Now you're talking.

Word has gone out from the House and Senate budget committee chairs to start cutting, but Rep. Al Pscholka (R-West Michigan) and Sen. Dave Hildenbrand (R-West Michigan) have tacked on a little note: Leave K-12, higher education, community colleges and local revenue sharing alone.

Everybody else, beware.

Those four areas are sacrosanct because for one thing, higher ed took a 15 percent cut during the first year of the Snyder administration. And the other areas are considered to be spending priorities.

Rep. Sam Singh from East Lansing with a little school in his backyard says, “We’ve seen the pain that has been created by the governor’s extreme cuts in 2011. Now is the time to protect higher ed.”

While those areas dodged the bullet, state civil servants see one coming their direction on two fronts.

These budget cuts could produce layoffs. “I can not rule out adjustments in employment at all,” Rep. Pscholka advises the 50,000-plus state workers.

Simultaneously the governor wants to combine two departments into one, and that usually means somebody ends up on the unemployment line.

The governor offers nothing that is reassuring with regard to layoffs to state workers: “I’m not going to promise that.”

Sen. Peter MacGregor (R-West Michigan) is more direct. “There will be efficiencies. So part of that efficiency means that probably some people will be let go,” he said, but he’s not sure.

Union lobbyist Nick Ciaramitaro adds a note of caution, suggesting if the governor and or lawmakers uses attrition or layoffs to balance the books or save money, they better be careful.

“Either would be a disaster because you simply don’t have enough people now to cover the work level.”


http://www.mlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/01/tim_skubick_the_four_untouchab.html#incart_river (http://www.mlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/01/tim_skubick_the_four_untouchab.html#incart_river)

Of course the Union doesn't think there is enough people.....  I guess we should take their word for it and vote for the tax increase in May?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 30, 2015, 10:44:20 AM
11 AM announcement if Romney is going to run for President.....

Isn't it kind of early to start the 2016 campaign?

 8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 30, 2015, 12:48:43 PM
I won't have to suppress my gag instinct to vote for Romney again!

Now here is hoping I don't have to suppress my gag instinct to vote for Jeb!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 30, 2015, 02:16:14 PM
I won't have to suppress my gag instinct to vote for Romney again!

Now here is hoping I don't have to suppress my gag instinct to vote for Jeb!
Your right-wing "friends" said you don't have a gag reflex.  ;)
But since they ARE republicans...maybe they don't possess the proper equipment to make you gag.  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 30, 2015, 02:23:29 PM
Oh my.....

The Gov talks of combining departments....

And there is a big budget hole.....

Could there be a connection?

Hmmmmmm.....

[url]http://www.mlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/01/tim_skubick_the_four_untouchab.html#incart_river[/url] ([url]http://www.mlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/01/tim_skubick_the_four_untouchab.html#incart_river[/url])

Of course the Union doesn't think there is enough people.....  I guess we should take their word for it and vote for the tax increase in May?
Oh my...

Could it be that the big budget hole was caused by the elimination of the business tax that Snyder promised if he were elected?

And the layoffs will harm the economy...ruining the lives of the middle class, and the reduced tax base will mean less government.

Which should give you glee since they'll be more citizens that'll have less than you that you can sneer at.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 30, 2015, 06:04:40 PM
I'm thinking if the Democrats were so worried about the middle class - they might not have gotten their Arse kicked in the last election  or 2

Do as I say but not as I do doesn't cut it here in Michigan
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 30, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
I'm thinking if the Democrats were so worried about the middle class - they might not have gotten their Arse kicked in the last election  or 2

Do as I say but not as I do doesn't cut it here in Michigan
Yet another display of failed logic. The party of "NO!" (republicans) tried to ensure that Obama would only serve one term...and when that failed-
-the right continued their agenda of making everything worse. The plan was intent on future historians to view the Obama Presidency unfavorably but the fact is...Obama pulled us past the failed republican policies of the worst president ever...Bush.

If you think that the electorate chose republicans because of their support for the middle class...well, then you haven't been paying attention.

Here's a hint...the R's don't support middle class policies...but they're real good at getting the parrots to repeat the lies...which is what happened in the last election...voter apathy. That combined with the easily swayed and uninformed...well it's easy to see how the electorate voted against their own self-interest.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 30, 2015, 07:16:28 PM
Pulled us past the failed policies of.....  William Jefferson Clinton......  and his friends in Congress Barney Frank and Company......

Buy hey - lets just blame it all on Bush.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on January 30, 2015, 09:18:30 PM
Your right-wing "friends" said you don't have a gag reflex.  ;)
But since they ARE republicans...maybe they don't possess the proper equipment to make you gag.  ;D

Ah yes, yet another gay/penis/phallic comment from the forum's lowest common denominator.

Crawl back in your hole, Frenchy.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 30, 2015, 10:20:37 PM
Ah yes, yet another gay/penis/phallic comment from the forum's lowest common denominator.

Crawl back in your hole, Frenchy.

Thats dickweed
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 30, 2015, 10:33:07 PM
Yet another display of failed logic. The party of "NO!" (republicans) tried to ensure that Obama would only serve one term...and when that failed-
-the right continued their agenda of making everything worse. The plan was intent on future historians to view the Obama Presidency unfavorably but the fact is...Obama pulled us past the failed republican policies of the worst president ever...Bush.

If you think that the electorate chose republicans because of their support for the middle class...well, then you haven't been paying attention.

Here's a hint...the R's don't support middle class policies...but they're real good at getting the parrots to repeat the lies...which is what happened in the last election...voter apathy. That combined with the easily swayed and uninformed...well it's easy to see how the electorate voted against their own self-interest.
Blah Blah Blah... Obama isn't running Michigan...
Granny ran it in the ground - the party that claimed to be for the middle class - who chased away jobs with high taxes!
Snyder came in with a plan - and not all of it I agree with or like - but at least he had a plan and it has been working to revive the businesses that are needed for those things that create the middle class...   as they provide JOBS...

Funny how you think the electorate is so ignorant - it's the same ones that gave Granny a few terms and saw the failures...   
You can only fool the voters so long  ;)   and they will start looking at alternatives
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 31, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
Ah yes, yet another gay/penis/phallic comment from the forum's lowest common denominator.

Crawl back in your hole, Frenchy.
Well considering your squeeze is 24 years younger than you...I posted a story you may be interested in:
Sugary Drinks Linked with Earlier Menstruation in Girls
http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=26398.0 (http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=26398.0)

But if you prefer the gay lifestyle...I say come out of the closet and proudly support the other republicans of your ilk.

I certainly wouldn't think any less of you.

Like I've said previously...everybody deserves a little lovin'
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 31, 2015, 09:52:36 PM
Blah Blah Blah... Obama isn't running Michigan...
Granny ran it in the ground - the party that claimed to be for the middle class - who chased away jobs with high taxes!
Snyder came in with a plan - and not all of it I agree with or like - but at least he had a plan and it has been working to revive the businesses that are needed for those things that create the middle class...   as they provide JOBS...

Funny how you think the electorate is so ignorant - it's the same ones that gave Granny a few terms and saw the failures...   
You can only fool the voters so long  ;)   and they will start looking at alternatives
You're still cherry-picking...and factually wrong on most every point as well.

If you feel that events that occur on the Federal level doesn't impact the states...then you're dumber than you look.

Aside from the failed republican policies of Bush...NAFTA played a role in harming Michigan:
http://www.epi.org/press/press_releases_nafta-at-7-press-release/ (http://www.epi.org/press/press_releases_nafta-at-7-press-release/)

http://michiganradio.org/post/how-has-nafta-affected-auto-industry-michigan (http://michiganradio.org/post/how-has-nafta-affected-auto-industry-michigan)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/Governors_Story_Free_Trade.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/Governors_Story_Free_Trade.htm)

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2006/04/nafta_cafta_shafta.html (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2006/04/nafta_cafta_shafta.html)

The tax policy of Granholm wasn't responsible for any of what you said!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/04/raul-labrador/raul-labrador-says-tax-hike-led-spike-michigan-une/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/04/raul-labrador/raul-labrador-says-tax-hike-led-spike-michigan-une/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 31, 2015, 11:23:27 PM
You're still cherry-picking...and factually wrong on most every point as well.

If you feel that events that occur on the Federal level doesn't impact the states...then you're dumber than you look.

Aside from the failed republican policies of Bush...NAFTA played a role in harming Michigan:
[url]http://www.epi.org/press/press_releases_nafta-at-7-press-release/[/url] ([url]http://www.epi.org/press/press_releases_nafta-at-7-press-release/[/url])

[url]http://michiganradio.org/post/how-has-nafta-affected-auto-industry-michigan[/url] ([url]http://michiganradio.org/post/how-has-nafta-affected-auto-industry-michigan[/url])

[url]http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/Governors_Story_Free_Trade.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/Governors_Story_Free_Trade.htm[/url])

[url]http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2006/04/nafta_cafta_shafta.html[/url] ([url]http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2006/04/nafta_cafta_shafta.html[/url])

The tax policy of Granholm wasn't responsible for any of what you said!
[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/04/raul-labrador/raul-labrador-says-tax-hike-led-spike-michigan-une/[/url] ([url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/04/raul-labrador/raul-labrador-says-tax-hike-led-spike-michigan-une/[/url])

LOL   blaming it on Clinton's NAFTA ... 

Granny was a bust and the left refuse to give her the credit she is due...

Her failures over 8 years took us to a One State Recession...  while the rest of the country prospered

So under your argument we can blame Obama for any of Snyders Failures 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 31, 2015, 11:25:00 PM
LOL   blaming it on Clinton's NAFTA ... 

Granny was a bust and the left refuse to give her the credit she is due...

Her failures over 8 years took us to a One State Recession...  while the rest of the country prospered

So under your argument we can blame Obama for any of Snyders Failures
I proved my point. Your assertions are baseless.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on February 01, 2015, 09:47:13 AM
I'm thinking that in someone's little world
they think they are funny, clever, and gifted with the ability to use other peoples opinions as their own...   ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on February 10, 2015, 08:26:36 PM
I'm thinking that the murder of the US hostage by a radical Islamic Terror group is something that finally is getting more media attention - but isn't that what the Terrorist are seeking?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on February 12, 2015, 09:38:50 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/02/11/three-killed-in-shooting-near-university-of-north-carolina/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/02/11/three-killed-in-shooting-near-university-of-north-carolina/)

gee a murder happens and because they were "Muslim" now the feds and everyone wants to make it into more than it was...    practically begging for something - Wolf Blitzer was begging as well for the connection - stating that it had to be more than just fighting over a parking spot...  yesterday as I listened on CNN in my car driving - The FBI and Police took the whole day looking through the man's computer and couldn't find evidence of "Hate Crime"...  which opens the door for the Feds to come in.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on February 13, 2015, 11:30:31 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/isis-fighters-sneak-iraqi-base-wearing-iraqi-army/story?id=28944455 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/isis-fighters-sneak-iraqi-base-wearing-iraqi-army/story?id=28944455)

300 US troops - seems like a good terrorist target?   

Nice security
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on February 16, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
I'm thinking - $76 million could go a long way towards our roads

==================================================
Colorado’s legal weed market: $700 million in sales last year, $1 billion by 2016

Legal marijuana was a $700 million dollar industry in Colorado last year, according to a Washington Post analysis of recently-released tax data from the state's Department of Revenue. In 2014, Colorado retailers sold $386 million of medical marijuana and $313 million for purely recreational purposes. The two segments of the market generated $63 million in tax revenue, with an additional $13 million collected in licenses and fees.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/12/colorados-legal-weed-market-700-million-in-sales-last-year-1-billion-by-2016/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/12/colorados-legal-weed-market-700-million-in-sales-last-year-1-billion-by-2016/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on February 20, 2015, 12:06:58 PM
I wonder if they are sending IS 'save the date' cards so we can make sure they are home.

U.S., Iraq preparing for assault to recapture Mosul: WSJ

http://news.yahoo.com/u-iraq-preparing-assault-recapture-mosul-wsj-022557489.html (http://news.yahoo.com/u-iraq-preparing-assault-recapture-mosul-wsj-022557489.html)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States and Iraq have started preparing for an offensive by summer to recapture the Iraqi city of Mosul, which was taken by Islamic State militants last June, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.

Preparations include selecting and training military units for the planned assault and cutting supply lines to Islamic State fighters, General Lloyd Austin, head of the U.S. military's Central Command, told the Journal.

Mosul is the largest city in a self-declared Islamic State caliphate straddling the border between northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

A senior Iraqi official told Reuters in November that Mosul was the focus of government efforts to defeat Islamic State, because of the city's size and symbolic status.

The U.S.-led forces have been conducting air strikes against Islamic State targets in Iraq and Syria, including 16 since Wednesday that were centered on Mosul.

The Journal quoted Austin as saying that Iraqi forces must be ready before the offensive could begin.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on February 20, 2015, 04:25:33 PM
How many times have we take Mosul now?

We should be good at it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on February 20, 2015, 07:49:20 PM
How many times have we take Mosul now?

We should be good at it.
"We"? You didn't do squat.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10502444_10152859131659146_1952838726162501590_n.jpg?oh=afa8b8491f14f91a371552a648acbf5d&oe=558C9ADA&__gda__=1431392655_20d05548d1602e7110bc039cf8020a15)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on February 24, 2015, 12:15:39 PM
This pattern of "gaffes" is disturbing.

Jordan furious over Pentagon leak on secret anti-terror training camp

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/23/jordan-training-camp-for-islamic-state-fight-leake/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/23/jordan-training-camp-for-islamic-state-fight-leake/)

The Pentagon let slip that one of its training camps to help fight Islamic State terrorists is in Jordan — information the pro-U.S. kingdom had specifically requested be kept private, and the latest gaffe in a series of sensitive leaks coming out of the Department of Defense.

In order to hide its flub, which was first announced to reporters during a briefing last week, the Pentagon has scrubbed its public transcripts of any mention of the training camp.

Pentagon officials acknowledged Monday that one of its officers, who was briefing reporters on condition of anonymity last week, likely made the mistake. The Pentagon’s policy is to discuss only the contributions its partner nations are making to its operations against extremists in Iraq and Syria only after those partner nations have publicly spoken about those contributions.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on February 27, 2015, 11:28:41 AM
Been hearing an insurance companies advertisement on the radio - targeting medicaid patients

They are bribing them to join - telling them they will get cash for going to the doctors office (gas money)

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on March 02, 2015, 09:29:48 AM
I'm thinking the local democratic party held a late night session on the board...

The board was also rather greasy from all the frenchfries that got spilled
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on March 05, 2015, 10:13:00 AM
I'm thinking if I were an Ambassador from the US -  I'd have a better security detail - or at least a body guard
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on March 05, 2015, 01:34:41 PM
Now it's the get my $$ phase...   
after all his mom assaulted others for the money they were making - saying it was her money.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/05/michael-brown-family-reacts-ferguson-report/24432459/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/05/michael-brown-family-reacts-ferguson-report/24432459/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on March 09, 2015, 01:07:51 PM
I'm thinking two non-related incidents come together to make a point on importance of keeping email records for work - separate from private.   And on the importance period of keeping archives.

The Ferguson report from the DOJ used government e-mails in their investigation - they were readily available  ;)

Quote
Justice in Ferguson is not a matter of "racism without racists," but racism with racists so secure, so proud, so brazen that they used their government emails to flaunt it.

The emails including "jokes" depicting President Obama as a chimp, mocking how black people talk ("I be so glad that dis be my last child support payment!"), depicting blacks as criminals, welfare recipients, unemployed, lazy, and having "no frigging clue who their Daddies are.” This humor—given the imprimatur of government email—resulted in neither reprimand, nor protest, nor even a polite request to refrain from reoffending. "Instead," according to the report, "the emails were usually forwarded along to others."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/The-Gangsters-Of-Ferguson/386893/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/The-Gangsters-Of-Ferguson/386893/)

If they had been like Lois Lerner and destroyed them - this would not have been made public

If they had been like Hillary and used private e-mails - this would not have been discovered... 


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 09, 2015, 11:44:48 PM
I'm thinking the local democratic party held a late night session on the board...

The board was also rather greasy from all the frenchfries that got spilled

You mean unlike McDonalds where they are deep fried in canola oil, those 'Frys' were cooked in lard?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 09, 2015, 11:51:30 PM
Now it's the get my $$ phase...   
after all his mom assaulted others for the money they were making - saying it was her money.

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/05/michael-brown-family-reacts-ferguson-report/24432459/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/05/michael-brown-family-reacts-ferguson-report/24432459/[/url])


Isn't that the bottom line/common denominator....MONEY.

Reminds me of the tune..'Dirty Laundry'.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on March 19, 2015, 10:36:52 PM
I'm thinking Monroe's DDA should visit Dunedin Florida,
A small community with a downtown theme...   pet friendly,  walker friendly, Bike friendly...  (get the theme)   
outdoor entertainment until 9 (noise ordinance) allow outdoor alcohol for events  (close down to vehicle traffic the entire area) local bars then sell outdoors. 

In fact I'll go back to get more research as often as necessary :)

They had artists create their bike racks - all businesses have treats for dogs - as well as water.   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on March 20, 2015, 06:50:32 AM
I'm thinking Monroe's DDA should visit Dunedin Florida,
A small community with a downtown theme...   pet friendly,  walker friendly, Bike friendly...  (get the theme)   
outdoor entertainment until 9 (noise ordinance) allow outdoor alcohol for events  (close down to vehicle traffic the entire area) local bars then sell outdoors. 

In fact I'll go back to get more research as often as necessary :)

They had artists create their bike racks - all businesses have treats for dogs - as well as water.

Come on Prof.....

Anytime anyone proposes any change in downtown Monroe - or anyplace in Monroe someone goes off.

Example:  Monroe Street to 3 lanes.

This town doesn't want change, and they sure don't want progress.  We just want to ***** about why aren't things nice like other places, but then when someone wants to try to move in that direction - we collectively slam on the brakes - and ***** that there is no reason to go downtown anyway.

The fact is we have the makings of a great downtown - only this City doesn't want one - for whatever reason.

So we get what we got.

And that is apparently the way we like it?

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on March 26, 2015, 08:54:29 AM

The ability to drive is not a prerequisite to be a member of U.S. Congress:

Congresswoman Demonstrates 'Worst Parking Job Ever' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ym-kk1tRw#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on March 26, 2015, 09:56:40 AM
The ability to drive is not a prerequisite to be a member of U.S. Congress:

Congresswoman Demonstrates 'Worst Parking Job Ever' ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ym-kk1tRw#[/url])

I'm shocked!
But then again woman driver and a Democrat  ;D  ;D

Probably doesn't have a license - as no one could be that ignorant when it comes to angle parking.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on March 26, 2015, 11:53:17 AM

...as no one could be that ignorant when it comes to angle parking.


You forget...  She is a DEMOCRAT. 

This is further proof that they are inherently ignorant, and they think they are above the law.

KNOWINGLY causing damage to someone else's property, then walking away from the scene? 

If I did that, I'd be in jail!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on March 27, 2015, 02:21:26 PM

I'm thinking the medical privacy of a patient vs the safety of the general public will be an interesting topic

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/27/us-france-crash-idUSKBN0MN11N20150327 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/27/us-france-crash-idUSKBN0MN11N20150327)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 23, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/starbucks-to-open-shop-in-ferguson-mo-ceo/ar-AAbzhX1?ocid=HPCDHP (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/starbucks-to-open-shop-in-ferguson-mo-ceo/ar-AAbzhX1?ocid=HPCDHP)


I'm sure the good folks of Ferguson will enjoy their expensive coffee...   

Can't imagine the place staying open more than a headline or two - if it ever opens...
Quote
The Starbucks will be a first for Ferguson, which is 70% black. There is no timeline for when the coffee joint could open.


Using the race card as PR seems to have backfired and now this?  8*
(http://img.s-msn.com/tenant/amp/entityid/AAbzgh5.img?h=768&w=1366&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1599&y=1040)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 23, 2015, 05:28:45 PM
Now it's the get my $$ phase...   
after all his mom assaulted others for the money they were making - saying it was her money.

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/05/michael-brown-family-reacts-ferguson-report/24432459/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/05/michael-brown-family-reacts-ferguson-report/24432459/[/url])


and here's where the greed of the family comes into play...
================================
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Civil-lawsuit-set-to-be-filed-in-Michael-Brown-s-6218305.php (http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Civil-lawsuit-set-to-be-filed-in-Michael-Brown-s-6218305.php)
CLAYTON, Mo. (AP) — Michael Brown's parents filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against the city of Ferguson on Thursday, opening a new chapter in the legal battle over the shooting that killed their son and sparked a national protest movement about the way police treat blacks.

Attorneys for Brown's parents promised the case would bring to light new forensic evidence and raise doubts about the police version of events. Some of that evidence, they said, had been overlooked in previous investigations.

"The narrative of the law enforcement all across the country for shooting unarmed people of color is the same: That they had no other choice," attorney Benjamin Crump said. "But time and time again, the objective evidence contradicts the standard police narrative."

Brown's parents, Lesley McSpadden and Michael Brown Sr., attended a news conference announcing the lawsuit outside the St. Louis County Courthouse. A tear rolled down McSpadden's cheek as Crump spoke.

"It's all part of the journey," she said.

The case had been expected for months. If it comes to trial, the lawsuit could force a full review of all the evidence in the shooting and bring key witnesses to be questioned in open court, including Darren Wilson, the white officer who shot Brown. Wilson and former Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson were also named in the complaint.



Civil cases generally require a lower standard of proof than criminal cases. Jurors must base their decision on a preponderance of evidence, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard needed to convict in a criminal trial.

A Ferguson city spokesman declined to comment, citing the pending litigation. Messages left for an attorney for Wilson were not immediately returned.

Jackson declined to discuss the lawsuit, telling The Associated Press that he was unaware of it until a reporter told him and had not had a chance to review the allegations.

Brown, 18, was unarmed and walking in the street with a friend on Aug. 9 when Wilson told them to move to the sidewalk.

The lawsuit alleges that Wilson told the two to "get the (expletive) out of the street," causing tension to escalate. Without the "unnecessary and unwarranted profane language," the encounter would have been "uneventful," it says.

Moments later, Wilson and Brown became involved in a scuffle through the open window of Wilson's police vehicle. Wilson shot Brown after the scuffle spilled into the street.

Some witnesses said Brown appeared to be trying to surrender, but Wilson said Brown was moving toward him aggressively, forcing him to shoot.

The attorneys said they planned to cite Wilson's own initial comments to a supervisor in which, according to the lawsuit, he said Brown had his arms raised moments before the shooting.

Brown's death led to weeks of sometimes-violent demonstrations and spawned a national "Black Lives Matter" movement seeking changes in how police deal with minorities. In the end, local and federal authorities ruled that the shooting was justified.

In the months since Brown was killed, unarmed blacks have been fatally shot by police in Wisconsin, California, Oklahoma, South Carolina and elsewhere. Unlike Brown's death, some of those shootings were caught on video.

A St. Louis County grand jury and the U.S. Justice Department declined to prosecute Wilson, who resigned in November. But the Justice Department released a scathing report citing racial bias and racial profiling in the Ferguson Police Department and in a profit-driven municipal court system that frequently targeted blacks.

After the report, several city officials resigned, including Jackson, the city manager and a municipal judge. The municipal court clerk was fired for racist emails, and two police officers resigned over racist emails of their own.

Crump and another attorney for the family, Daryl Parks, said the lawsuit will include evidence that was ignored by the grand jury and the Justice Department, including bullets allegedly fired by Wilson found in buildings.

Civil suits often unfold much differently than criminal matters.

Two decades ago, football star O.J. Simpson was acquitted of the slayings of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman. But a civil jury awarded the Brown and Goldman families $33.5 million in wrongful-death damages.

The family of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed man killed by New York police in 1999, settled with the city for $3 million in 2004 after filing a $60 million lawsuit. The city did not admit any wrongdoing. The settlement came after four officers indicted in his shooting were acquitted of second-degree murder and reckless endangerment.

Wrongful-death lawsuits have been filed in other recent high-profile cases, too.

In New York, the family of Eric Garner is seeking $75 million in damages. Garner, who was black and had asthma, died in July after a white plainclothes officer applied what a medical examiner determined was a chokehold. Garner was accused of selling loose, untaxed cigarettes on a city street.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 27, 2015, 09:22:15 AM
I'm thinking that this summer will be the summer of race riots...   

The black community is primed with the anti-police sentiment - and support from Sharpton's organizers.   

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on April 27, 2015, 10:42:50 AM
Hopefully not but it doesn't look good.  It won't take but one more incident and the blacks will destroy the cities.
And don't forget to give some credit to Obama and Holder.  And I don't think we've seen the end of Holder either.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on April 27, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
I'm thinking that this summer will be the summer of race riots...   

The black community is primed with the anti-police sentiment - and support from Sharpton's organizers.

Time to load up on Smith & Wesson stock.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on April 27, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
And some cops are still a problem with attitudes.
Police had Toledo access shut off yesterday because of local marathon.  One could not cross Central ave. I waited 5th in line at road block and only saw a runner every few mins but the cops wouldn't let cars thru.
I walked up and ask why. He told me to get in my car and turn around. First class pr!ck.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 27, 2015, 09:37:02 PM
I see summer must be here or I had the premonition as the racists riots have begun in Baltimore...   

Funny how the thugs are claiming they do it in the name of Justice or Martin Luther King or Selma...    they just don't get it ---  and never will.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 27, 2015, 10:00:26 PM
Who is going to reinvest in the future to any (insert your own impression) community after seeing the way they respond against their own...?     

Does it take an education/job/$$  to teach you not to destroy businesses in your community if you are against something that happened?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on April 27, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
You can blame it on politicians for years of handouts to where we have a couple of generations of uneducated unskilled no ambition people looking for more handouts.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 27, 2015, 10:55:00 PM
I heard 14 cops have been hurt already and the governor has activated the national guard.  What a frigg'in mess.  I have a solution but it's not postable here.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 28, 2015, 07:42:12 AM
Quote
"I don't understand how stealing jeans is going to bring justice to Mr. Gray."

a quote from the mayor as they cried for help across the area...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/28/baltimore-state-of-emergency/26496241/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/28/baltimore-state-of-emergency/26496241/)

I even saw where they attacked Firefighters and cut the hoses so they had to let things burn...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on April 28, 2015, 07:48:59 AM
a quote from the mayor as they cried for help across the area...

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/28/baltimore-state-of-emergency/26496241/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/28/baltimore-state-of-emergency/26496241/[/url])

I even saw where they attacked Firefighters and cut the hoses so they had to let things burn...


That will bring Urban Renewal, don't you think?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on April 28, 2015, 08:18:34 AM

Here are some conversation starters.....

If you don't believe there are cultural differences between races, how do you explain the repeated, destructive, violent riots by Blacks.  When is the last time Whites, Asians, or Hispanics rioted and destroyed neighborhoods because of an unpopular court decision. Almost never happens. Black communities do it consistently.

Part of the problem is because they know the police are told not to do anything.
 Sometimes you need to let LE do what is needed.

Are there similarities between ISIS terrorist and black rioters?
Both groups are primarily made up of young gangs who have no problems destroying other people's property and stealing and looting. Both groups believe they have a right to do it.



Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on April 28, 2015, 08:41:39 AM
If you don't believe there are cultural differences between races, how do you explain the repeated, destructive, violent riots by Blacks.  When is the last time Whites, Asians, or Hispanics rioted and destroyed neighborhoods because of an unpopular court decision. Almost never happens. Black communities do it consistently.

Are you suggesting White people find something to riot about?

 ;D

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on April 28, 2015, 11:50:12 AM
I have seen positive behavior by some folks in Baltimore. 

Here is a mother that went out, found her son and stopped his criminal involvement.   Great job mom!


Angry mother beats son for participating in Baltimore riots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlmCf1Kj2o#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 28, 2015, 12:24:26 PM
I have seen positive behavior by some folks in Baltimore. 

Here is a mother that went out, found her son and stopped his criminal involvement.   Great job mom!


Angry mother beats son for participating in Baltimore riots ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlmCf1Kj2o#[/url])


LOL  just was going to post this myself... 

Not enough of this goes on in the neighborhoods that these problems occur in!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on April 28, 2015, 01:13:00 PM
I have seen positive behavior by some folks in Baltimore. 

Here is a mother that went out, found her son and stopped his criminal involvement.   Great job mom!


Angry mother beats son for participating in Baltimore riots ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlmCf1Kj2o#[/url])


How long until the Liberal Prosecutor charges her for assaulting her son, or child abuse?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on April 28, 2015, 07:56:22 PM
With something like 73% of black babies born out of wedlock we have a problem. On top of that a majority of the single Mother's are on welfare. Then you send these poor kids to awful/unsafe inner city schools and what do you get? Young uneducated adults with no skills in an environment where there are no jobs, no future, no hope. And the liberal pols and community organizers (I repeat myself) point at whites, Republicans, or whomever, and tell them these are the folks holding them down. So vote for me because I have your back.

But I think this societal problem for minorities, and our society writ large, is the same. We listen to the pols and they won't tell us the truth. The values of our society have run amok, we are bankrupt, ignorant, apathetic and lazy. What it boils down to is that the pols understand that they can't tell us the truth and still be re-elected. And so it goes.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on April 28, 2015, 08:11:35 PM
The democrats solution is to pay them all $15/hr to bag burgers and fries.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on April 28, 2015, 08:50:49 PM
The democrats solution is to pay them all $15/hr to bag burgers and fries.

And so it goes.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 28, 2015, 08:59:44 PM
The democrats solution is to pay them all $15/hr to bag burgers and fries.

Poor - can't afford a family...   anyone think about
Free Birth Control? 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 28, 2015, 10:39:10 PM
Rubbers are cheap.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on April 29, 2015, 06:43:20 AM
Poor - can't afford a family...   anyone think about
Free Birth Control?

We already have that. 

You haven't heard of Planned Parenthood and the Affordable Care Act?

The issue is we pay more to them if they have the kid.

That is the real cottage industry.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on April 29, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
Grandma's taking care of 4-6 grandkids can pull in $100,000 a year.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on April 29, 2015, 11:13:40 AM
Grandma's taking care of 4-6 grandkids can pull in $100,000 a year.
Huh?
I'm watching 3 ...   do I get 75K?   ;D

Oh...  you mean if the parents work - the government doesn't pay!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on April 29, 2015, 07:39:14 PM
The parents are in prisons or cemeteries.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on April 29, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
I am loving these political ads in April.

Better vote for Prop 1 if you want SAFE roads and don't want EDUCATION and PUBLIC SAFETY cuts.

Call your STATE REP and tell him to keep his hands off your NO FAULT INSURANCE or you will SURELY DIE!

Give me a break!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 04, 2015, 02:18:53 PM
Should be shown in our schools during whatever they call government class... 

Ronald Reagan We Are Americans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVecpn3DUHc#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on May 04, 2015, 02:42:52 PM
Should be shown in our schools during whatever they call government class... 

Our leadership used to inspire us to be a "shining city on a hill" and now we get "you didn't build that."

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 05, 2015, 01:13:19 PM
We certainly lost something (in this country) in the last decade.  Too damn bad actually.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 05, 2015, 01:16:11 PM
I hope we get it back soon.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 05, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
I hope we get it back soon.

So long as the low information voters keep electing Muslims, Marxists and crooks, it will never come back.  Thats too damn bad too.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 06, 2015, 08:06:45 AM
Anyone surprised that the latest terror act in the US was by Muslims the US had been watching for suspicious activities?

...  BTW nice shooting if the stories are true that a lone police officer with a pistol took out the two armed men in body armor
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 06, 2015, 08:09:21 AM
The organizers of that event chose the right state to have it in!

 ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on May 06, 2015, 11:18:14 AM


(http://comicincorrect.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Garland-NRD-600.jpg)


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 06, 2015, 08:36:03 PM
Not pertaining to IS, but, I heard 2 good ads promoting Michigan Insurance Reform on WJR this afternoon.  I'd sure like to see that happen.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 06, 2015, 09:27:57 PM
The one ad where they ask you over and over again was this the result of an accident - that is the freaking truth.

No - I wasn't in a car wreck.  No - there isn't another insurance company that is going to pick this up.  Sorry - the primary insurance that I already gave you is the only insurance that is going to pay - and I will pick up the deductible.  No - once again - I did this in my backyard - not in a car.  Will you quit asking me that?

I never connected the dots on why they did that - until that ad.  Now it makes perfect sense.

It was all about raping the No Fault Insurance Fund.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on May 06, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
I don't understand the no fault medical.   My granddaughter had a slight injury from getting t-boned by a lady high on prescription drugs or something else. 
Anyway my daughter had to use her own medical and pay co-pays and deductables.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 06, 2015, 10:03:07 PM
The one ad where they ask you over and over again was this the result of an accident - that is the freaking truth.

No - I wasn't in a car wreck.  No - there isn't another insurance company that is going to pick this up.  Sorry - the primary insurance that I already gave you is the only insurance that is going to pay - and I will pick up the deductible.  No - once again - I did this in my backyard - not in a car.  Will you quit asking me that?

I never connected the dots on why they did that - until that ad.  Now it makes perfect sense.

It was all about raping the No Fault Insurance Fund.
And you if you didn't have the coverage to fill the "gap"...   

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 06, 2015, 10:05:36 PM
I don't understand the no fault medical.   My granddaughter had a slight injury from getting t-boned by a lady high on prescription drugs or something else. 
Anyway my daughter had to use her own medical and pay co-pays and deductables.
She didn't run out and get an attorney? 

Heck in Wayne county I got several letters explaining my "rights"...  when I wasn't even injured, when I was in an accident back in 2010.   

I'm surprised that they didn't want to use your granddaughters auto - and get the full pay benefit?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 08, 2015, 06:41:46 AM
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/may/07/michigan-lawmakers-ok-bills-to-qualify-more/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/may/07/michigan-lawmakers-ok-bills-to-qualify-more/)

Expanding the "forgiveness" law to age 23 is okay - as second chances should be allowed in certain cases.

What about those who have been "clean" and make a similar mistake but say they are in their 60's?  doesn't make sense to not offer them that same chance. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 08, 2015, 09:32:09 PM
One good thing about No Fault and MCCA is the yellow pages isn't half full of ambulance chasing attorneys (like in Ohio) pandering their wares claiming to get you a big settlement.

Soon as you hit the state line you are greeted with billboards with fugly attorney faces, smiling and claiming big settlements.

Chrome, Ball and Buster, ESQ.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 08, 2015, 09:42:31 PM
One good thing about No Fault and MCCA is the yellow pages isn't half full of ambulance chasing attorneys (like in Ohio) pandering their wares claiming to get you a big settlement.

Soon as you hit the state line you are greeted with billboards with fugly attorney faces, smiling and claiming big settlements.

Chrome, Ball and Buster, ESQ.

I can show you several on I275.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on May 08, 2015, 10:03:50 PM
Yea.....that pale looking blonde.  I always wondered about here.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 09, 2015, 02:00:33 PM
Yea.....that pale looking blonde.  I always wondered about here.

She's on 94 at Michigan Ave right now...  She coud represent me...anytime.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 09, 2015, 02:01:41 PM
I can show you several on I275.

Thats all PI and on the job injuries, not auto.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 09, 2015, 10:09:15 PM
I think they allude to cars among other things.

I'll look again next time I go by.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 09, 2015, 10:35:43 PM
Yea.....that pale looking blonde.  I always wondered about here.

I'd sure like to look under her dress.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on May 10, 2015, 12:01:49 AM
Look closer next time. I bet she's pretty rough in person
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 10, 2015, 07:05:17 AM
Look closer next time. I bet she's pretty rough in person

I think she is pretty rough on the billboard.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 10, 2015, 09:30:46 AM
Makeup covers lots of defects, or, you can make a silk purse from a sows ear with the right stuff....  Johmana Cououz or something like that....  Sounds Greek.  I hear Greek gals are hot anywany.

Anything is  better than the 'Chrome, Ball and Buster' ads in Toledo with the 'Jewish' Attorney's looking out on the highway extolling how they will get you 'what you deserve'

....But not stating their handsome cut..... ;D

Ohio residents are extremely sue happy, Michigan residents aren't so much.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 10, 2015, 09:40:40 AM
Sounds like you are a proponent of No-Fault coverage Flip.

Please define "Life Altering" as it pertains to an auto accident.

That is the burden you supposedly need to overcome to sue in this state - otherwise the money in that fund is supposed to overcome all the ills.

I will tell you how the courts define it isn't how I would.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 10, 2015, 10:18:14 AM
Sounds like you are a proponent of No-Fault coverage Flip.

Please define "Life Altering" as it pertains to an auto accident.

That is the burden you supposedly need to overcome to sue in this state - otherwise the money in that fund is supposed to overcome all the ills.

I will tell you how the courts define it isn't how I would.

I'm for no fault but with a cap.  The unlimited coverage is unnecessary and financially burdensome.

Life altering is about how much you can pocket from an 'accident'....  Note, no 'accident' is really accidental, they are all caused by contributing factors and liability.  We use the term 'accident' to mask the root cause and relieve our guilt.  I like 'crash' better.  Much more final and removes or alleviates no guilt.

I know to gal's who are veggies for ever due to 'crashes' that were their own fault but still collect on the MCCA for nursing home care and treatment (after their own insurance policies reached the maximum payout).  Do I think it's right?  No, but it will be until the mindset changes regarding the prolonging of life at all costs.

Other states do just fine without, what makes Michigan different?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 10, 2015, 03:00:36 PM
Yea.....that pale looking blonde.  I always wondered about here.

LOL  I was just joking with a friend who was injured in an work related automobile accident which of the fine "Lady" attorneys he was going to choose...     his accident occurred on 94 almost under Joumaya's sign... they are everywhere - and along 275 as well.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 10, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
LOL  I was just joking with a friend who was injured in an work related automobile accident which of the fine "Lady" attorneys he was going to choose...     his accident occurred on 94 almost under Joumaya's sign... they are everywhere - and along 275 as well.

Interesting name she has.  I bet she was hot in her day.  Obviously that was last week....lol
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 11, 2015, 06:28:23 PM
So Congrats to all the participants who got the Were all but done thread locked down.

Good Work!

I am hoping the news will unlock it very soon - before it gets buried.

A few posters who troll should not ruin it for everyone.

 8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 11, 2015, 06:35:17 PM
So Congrats to all the participants who got the Were all but done thread locked down.

Good Work!

I am hoping the news will unlock it very soon - before it gets buried.

A few posters who troll should not ruin it for everyone.

 8*

Start it up again, name it..  'We are all but done II'.  That works.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 11, 2015, 06:43:24 PM
Start it up again, name it..  'We are all but done II'.  That works.

I thought about it.....  but I will let Mr Kopke do that.

It was his thread, so if he wants to restart it - so be it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 11, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
So Congrats to all the participants who got the Were all but done thread locked down.

Good Work!

I am hoping the news will unlock it very soon - before it gets buried.

A few posters who troll should not ruin it for everyone.

 8*

Those posters who throw out the racist garbage, I agree! :)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 11, 2015, 07:25:05 PM
I'm working on getting the WAD unlocked. My advice would be to ignore the poster who has no other agenda than to inflame.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 11, 2015, 07:35:28 PM
I'm working on getting the WAD unlocked. My advice would be to ignore the poster who has no other agenda than to inflame.

And you're also talking about the poster who throws out the racist garbage, right John?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 11, 2015, 08:01:34 PM
So Congrats to all the participants who got the Were all but done thread locked down.

Good Work!

I am hoping the news will unlock it very soon - before it gets buried.

A few posters who troll should not ruin it for everyone.

 8*

LOL  251 pages and it gets locked down?

I will admit Its the one thread I've not ventured into - for whatever reason... 

Nice to see the admin back at least   or did someone report the thread?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 11, 2015, 08:54:56 PM
And you're also talking about the poster who throws out the racist garbage, right John?

It was a generic reference, why is it you were the only one that felt compelled to respond.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 11, 2015, 09:04:30 PM
It was a generic reference, why is it you were the only one that felt compelled to respond.

Gee John,

Because in Reply 3742 of the "We're All But Done Thread" it sort of sounded like you were condoning SCF's racist remarks, and since your reference here was so generic, I wanted to be sure that no one came away with the mistaken impression that John Kopke does in fact condone racism.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 11, 2015, 09:05:07 PM
Glad to see Let Go Wings and Maverick on the board. Please weigh in. We need more folks chipping in.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 11, 2015, 09:18:56 PM
Gee John,

Because in Reply 3742 of the "We're All But Done Thread" it sort of sounded like you were condoning SCF's racist remarks, and since your reference here was so generic, I wanted to be sure that no one came away with the mistaken impression that John Kopke does in fact condone racism.

In 3742 I said I exclaimed I thought you were Ducksoup. I further claim I have no prejudice against Ducks in general, as long as they are properly cooked.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 09:37:01 PM
In 3742 I said I exclaimed I thought you were Ducksoup. I further claim I have no prejudice against Ducks in general, as long as they are properly cooked.
Gosh, John, that's incredibly inept to be personally insulting to me when I am not even making comments.  But, that isn't new is it?  Were you in an argument completely over your head and need to make up some insult to distract? 

Oh, well.  Besides, making stupid threats of cooking me are at least better than you threatening to have your biker buddies throw me in the river... right?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on May 11, 2015, 09:40:46 PM
Ducks are good swimmers anyway
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 11, 2015, 09:55:14 PM
Gosh, John, that's incredibly inept to be personally insulting to me when I am not even making comments.  But, that isn't new is it?  Were you in an argument completely over your head and need to make up some insult to distract? 

My Goodness. I feel like the therapist that brought out the other persona. Was I in an argument that was over my head? Well I don't think so, but maybe I'm confused, What was the argument you are referring to that was over my head?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 09:58:36 PM
Ducks are good swimmers anyway
Oh, how clever...

Was that comment made from a lack of understanding personal insults and making a low brow stupid comment because you can't think higher than that?

Or do you think personally insulting people like a moron is funny?

Perhaps you just can't be anything but insulting?

Oh, I get it, you think anthropomorphism is real and saying throwing me into the river is fun because I am not human according to you?  Nah, can't be any of those.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 10:00:21 PM
My Goodness. I feel like the therapist that brought out the other persona. Was I in an argument that was over my head? Well I don't think so, but maybe I'm confused, What was the argument you are referring to that was over my head?

LOL poor John.  The argument you were losing with whomever that you felt you needed to change the subject with insulting me.  Why did you feel it so important to insult me when I wasn't posting Kopke? 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 11, 2015, 10:00:22 PM
In 3742 I said I exclaimed I thought you were Ducksoup. I further claim I have no prejudice against Ducks in general, as long as they are properly cooked.

Well see John, I know that, and you know that.  However, when you combine Replies 3697 & 3712 with 3742, some people might get confused about your intent, and we wouldn't want that, would we?

Gosh, John, that's incredibly inept to be personally insulting to me when I am not even making comments.  But, that isn't new is it?  Were you in an argument completely over your head and need to make up some insult to distract? 

Oh, well.  Besides, making stupid threats of cooking me are at least better than you threatening to have your biker buddies throw me in the river... right?

Funny thing is Duck, he wasn't in the argument until he willingly brought himself in.  And then things go as they have in the past between he and I, meaning yes, he was and still is in over his head.  As with his last couple posts in this thread, it's absolutely excruciating when he thinks he's being clever.

I'd love to see where he threatened you, would you mind sharing?  Seeing that would be priceless.  I feel kind of left out as he's never threatened me before.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 11, 2015, 10:02:07 PM
My Goodness. I feel like the therapist that brought out the other persona. Was I in an argument that was over my head? Well I don't think so, but maybe I'm confused, What was the argument you are referring to that was over my head?

Not your fault John.  Defending racism is a losing proposition.  Of course only a loser would choose to defend racism.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 10:02:41 PM
Well see John, I know that, and you know that.  However, when you combine Replies 3697 & 3712 with 3742, some people might get confused about your intent, and we wouldn't want that, would we?

Funny thing is Duck, he wasn't in the argument until he willingly brought himself in.  And then things go as they have in the past between he and I, meaning yes, he was and still is in over his head.  As with his last couple posts in this thread, it's absolutely excruciating when he thinks he's being clever.

I'd love to see where he threatened you, would you mind sharing?  Seeing that would be priceless.  I feel kind of left out as he's never threatened me before.
It was in the first ever tea party event that he was hawking before it.  Since then sanitized, so you are out of luck.  But, I am certain he can give a completely false version of history again.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 10:04:36 PM
I just think it is so sick here.  Good god you don't even have to be around actively posting to be insulted.  So sad.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 10:06:39 PM
I see from that locked topic that Lessgovernment has himself another new name to abuse.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 11, 2015, 10:21:56 PM
Well I checked out the last few posts of Duck/Dandy and I think I have if figured out. Expect most guests to the forum do as well. I leave it at that.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on May 11, 2015, 11:02:55 PM
Well I checked out the last few posts of Duck/Dandy and I think I have if figured out. Expect most guests to the forum do as well. I leave it at that.
What are you doing John?

You seem to have some sort of uncontrollable urge to expose the identities of the people posting anonymously...and even implied that people are using multiple identities.

I think your assertions are baseless and wrong but perhaps you could tell me why you feel your quest is important?

Sort of reminds me of a guilty party falsely accusing another of guilt.

You very well may be posting under another user name as well as your "real" name but I don't care one way or the other.

There was only one time I've found using multiple identities to be relevant.

The time livewire created his own cheering section.

He even went so far as to encourage his real name to run for political office.

That sort of thing just indicates lack of integrity.

Now that was years ago...and I've not detected such egregious nonsense in quite a while.

So let's get back to discussing issues.

Just because you're a member of the tea party doesn't mean you're obligated to fight for every racist that stirs up crap.

Stick to the issues...and fight your own fights.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 11, 2015, 11:06:39 PM
And so the bottom line is you guys don't give a damn about anything that really matters.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on May 11, 2015, 11:08:38 PM
And so the bottom line is you guys don't give a damn about anything that really matters.
Why does identifying posters matter?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on May 11, 2015, 11:13:18 PM
Why does identifying posters matter?
You seem to take a certain glee in so doing. Forget much?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 11:20:52 PM
And so the bottom line is you guys don't give a damn about anything that really matters.

There ya go agin Kopke, making up what others think just like your buddy Monroe Native does.

How do you know what matters to me or not except what you are making up in your head to be insulting.

My wife matters a great deal to me.

My grandsons matter a great deal to me

My entire family matters a great deal to me

The life, health, and livlihood of my neighbors matter a great deal to me

Claiming over and over for years that inflation is going to collapse this country does NOT.

Obsessing over money like it is a god does not matter to me.

But, nothing matters to me according to you, fruitloop.  My family, my wife, my children and grandkids don't frikking matter to me because KOPKE demands that I don't care about anything that matters. What a tool you are.


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 11:23:41 PM
It is okay if Kopke wants to think I am posting as someone else.  I find it amusing that he thinks he has the linguistic skills needed to perform such a skilled operation.  Let's just say it is as predictive as his speculation that inflation will collapse the country many years ago... over and over and over.  Who knows, someday he might be right, then it might be 90 years from now.

After all, he has to make up some excuse for making insults to me when I wasn't posting.  Making irrational claims that I am another poster puts the lie for his excuse.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on May 11, 2015, 11:29:38 PM
You seem to take a certain glee in so doing. Forget much?
You were warned about posting where I lived...and I merely indicated that I knew a bit about you too.

I'd much rather have this personal back and forth nonsense just end...but you seem to enjoy nipping too much.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 11:40:38 PM
And so the bottom line is you guys don't give a damn about anything that really matters.

Well, let's see what you feel matters.

I'm working on getting the WAD unlocked. My advice would be to ignore the poster who has no other agenda than to inflame.

Wow, earth shattering.

It was a generic reference, why is it you were the only one that felt compelled to respond.

Defending someone making racist comments.  I guess it can matter to you to defend racism on Monroe Talks.

Glad to see Let Go Wings and Maverick on the board. Please weigh in. We need more folks chipping in.
Certainly neighborly, but not earth shaking things that matter.

In 3742 I said I exclaimed I thought you were Ducksoup. I further claim I have no prejudice against Ducks in general, as long as they are properly cooked.

Ah, quoting numbers from another topic to make up an insult.  Perhaps that matters to you but I it was entirely lacking in anything that matters.

My Goodness. I feel like the therapist that brought out the other persona. Was I in an argument that was over my head? Well I don't think so, but maybe I'm confused, What was the argument you are referring to that was over my head?

Well, that definitely was earth shattering nonsense that matters to no one ever.

Well I checked out the last few posts of Duck/Dandy and I think I have if figured out. Expect most guests to the forum do as well. I leave it at that.

Hmmm, well I guess you could think it matters in your world that you can mind read all the guests that stoop in at monroe talks and KNOW that they think exactly like you do.  Sweet!  Sorry, still doesn't matter for beans Kopke.

And so the bottom line is you guys don't give a damn about anything that really matters.

And back to your last quote full of pompous illogical hatred.  Even a child in first grade would never think to make such a wide blanketed claim.  But, nothing is new for you. In the Kopke world he is perfect and everything he thinks is perfect and right and matters, but anything someone on the left thinks is wrong and nothing can matter.  What an idiot to think such stupidity kopke.

Grow up.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 11:44:22 PM
Oh, and a little clue for you Kopke.  See what I did?  I copied posts.  Your way is saying post numbers and making people go back and figure out whatever your supposed point was.  I don't.  Like I said, it takes at least a little intelligence to see things like that so you don't make stupid claims like you did.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 11, 2015, 11:45:34 PM
One last question for you John.  Are you happy you chose to insult me when I wasn't even posting? 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 11, 2015, 11:55:37 PM
You know Duck, bottom line, when it comes to you, I don't give a fats rats a%% one way or the other.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 12, 2015, 06:29:29 AM
Well I checked out the last few posts of Duck/Dandy and I think I have if figured out. Expect most guests to the forum do as well. I leave it at that.

And so the bottom line is you guys don't give a damn about anything that really matters.

Vintage Kopke.  Make a vague assertion.  Offer no true facts or meaningful analysis to back it up.  Then hope your pals draw a conclusion unwarranted by facts or evidence.  Some things never change.  But then Kopke, for the sake of argument, let's assume I had 2 identities, or 10 or 20.  That would affect the merits, or lack thereof, of my comments how exactly?  Not at all, right.  And so once again, you are ridiculous.  And you see, I don't care if you have 20 identities, or 1 identity and a dozen sycophants to gang up on me, because I can handle it.


Actually I jumped in because racism matters.  You see, I object to it Kopke, I have a problem with it, whether it's SCF, Pax or anyone else.  You, at a minimum, tacitly condone racism, because after all, you started popping off at me in that thread, and not SCF.  You viewed me as the problem, and not his racist comments.  Having deeply held political convictions is one thing, being a racist pig is indefensible.  So do you approve of terms like "gooks" or do you not?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on May 12, 2015, 08:41:32 AM
You were warned about posting where I lived...and I merely indicated that I knew a bit about you too.

I'd much rather have this personal back and forth nonsense just end...but you seem to enjoy nipping too much.
You warned me for nothing. I have no idea where you live, nor do I care.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on May 12, 2015, 08:44:07 AM

Actually I jumped in because racism matters.  You see, I object to it Kopke, I have a problem with it, whether it's SCF, Pax or anyone else.  You, at a minimum, tacitly condone racism, because after all, you started popping off at me in that thread, and not SCF.  You viewed me as the problem, and not his racist comments.  Having deeply held political convictions is one thing, being a racist pig is indefensible.  So do you approve of terms like "gooks" or do you not?

Logic fail:  Argumentum ex Silentio
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 12, 2015, 08:46:50 AM
Logic fail:  Argumentum ex Silentio

Nice try.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on May 12, 2015, 09:11:43 AM
Nice try.

Agreed.  Your statement is a logic failure.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 12, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
Agreed.  Your statement is a logic failure.

Agreed that regurgitating a term you were fed may get you an A- in a Philosophy 101 class.  Of course it doesn't hold a lot of weight when the realities on the ground are considered.  But go ahead, using cites from that thread, make your argument.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 12, 2015, 09:30:22 AM
I'm thinking that we need a thread for people to take their petty arguments to - instead of hijacking other threads and getting them locked... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 12, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
I'm thinking that we need a thread for people to take their petty arguments to - instead of hijacking other threads and getting them locked... 

Perhaps so.  Or MT's death spiral just needs to speed up and put us all out of misery.  Of course when the administrators abdicate any oversight, self-policing is the result.  And self-policing is like making sausage, it ain't pretty.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on May 12, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Agreed that regurgitating a term you were fed may get you an A- in a Philosophy 101 class.  Of course it doesn't hold a lot of weight when the realities on the ground are considered.  But go ahead, using cites from that thread, make your argument.


You used a logical fallacy when you stated that John condoned racism by remaining silent on the topic.   Remaining silent is on a topic is not proof of any position.

Your logic fail is text book.   I sure John has your car keys as well.

ARGUMENT FROM SILENCE
http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/55-argument-from-silence (http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/55-argument-from-silence)

argumentum e silentio
Description: Drawing a conclusion based on the silence of the opponent, when the opponent is refusing to give evidence for any reason.
Logical Form:
Person 1 claims X is true, then remains silent.
Person 2 then concludes that X must be true.
Example #1:
Jay: Dude, where are my car keys?
Bob: (says nothing)
Jay: I KNEW you took them!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Dandy_Richardvilles on May 12, 2015, 03:44:07 PM
You used a logical fallacy when you stated that John condoned racism by remaining silent on the topic.   Remaining silent is on a topic is not proof of any position.

Your logic fail is text book.   I sure John has your car keys as well.

ARGUMENT FROM SILENCE
[url]http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/55-argument-from-silence[/url] ([url]http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/55-argument-from-silence[/url])

argumentum e silentio
Description: Drawing a conclusion based on the silence of the opponent, when the opponent is refusing to give evidence for any reason.
Logical Form:
Person 1 claims X is true, then remains silent.
Person 2 then concludes that X must be true.
Example #1:
Jay: Dude, where are my car keys?
Bob: (says nothing)
Jay: I KNEW you took them!


Hey, I've got some of those same references too!

http://www.umass.edu/wsp/history/outline/silence.html (http://www.umass.edu/wsp/history/outline/silence.html)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_fallacy)

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/55-argument-from-silence (http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/55-argument-from-silence)

http://www.conservapedia.com/Logical_fallacy (http://www.conservapedia.com/Logical_fallacy)

Perhaps you need to consider definitions, the weight of inferences, past interactions between he and I among other things as well pal.  Logic fail?  Sure, if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 12, 2015, 03:52:19 PM
http://youtu.be/yBBWUZfgRiw?t=80 (http://youtu.be/yBBWUZfgRiw?t=80)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 12, 2015, 04:32:28 PM
You know Duck, bottom line, when it comes to you, I don't give a fats rats a%% one way or the other.
Yep, John, and that is why any dissertation you present is doomed.  You listen to far right wing lies and propaganda and swallow it whole, then cover your ears to any other information.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 12, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
You used a logical fallacy when you stated that John condoned racism by remaining silent on the topic.   Remaining silent is on a topic is not proof of any position.

Your logic fail is text book.   I sure John has your car keys as well.

ARGUMENT FROM SILENCE
[url]http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/55-argument-from-silence[/url] ([url]http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/55-argument-from-silence[/url])

argumentum e silentio
Description: Drawing a conclusion based on the silence of the opponent, when the opponent is refusing to give evidence for any reason.
Logical Form:
Person 1 claims X is true, then remains silent.
Person 2 then concludes that X must be true.
Example #1:
Jay: Dude, where are my car keys?
Bob: (says nothing)
Jay: I KNEW you took them!

LOL

so, when person A says something racist and then person B says that is racist and person C complains about person B and not a that is supposedly silence?  Dudette, Kopke going after one and not the other of a bilateral conversation cannot be "silence".  I don't even think that arguing from inference is applicable because it was straight out in the open.  Kopke chose to berate only one and not the other. 

Kopke was not "silent" about racist comments, he clearly opposed people pointing out when those he agrees with makes racist comments.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 12, 2015, 04:38:08 PM
I'm thinking that we need a thread for people to take their petty arguments to - instead of hijacking other threads and getting them locked...

Logical fallacy: this topic is not locked.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on May 12, 2015, 04:52:21 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/yBBWUZfgRiw?t=80[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/yBBWUZfgRiw?t=80[/url])


Nice time linked video.   I have always wondered why the added time point stops the embedding of the video on here.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 12, 2015, 06:56:12 PM
Logical fallacy: this topic is not locked.

But in this case I have the power... (my thread)   ;D

I'd hate to see the bickering spill over and cause it.

Create your own bickering thread or maybe I should -  and direct those there that wish to partake in the senseless exercise of correcting each other to ad nauseum.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 12, 2015, 08:37:06 PM
Touche'
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 12, 2015, 11:29:21 PM
But in this case I have the power... (my thread)   ;D

I'd hate to see the bickering spill over and cause it.

Create your own bickering thread or maybe I should -  and direct those there that wish to partake in the senseless exercise of correcting each other to ad nauseum.

What would be a good name for this new thread?

ROMPER  Room?

WWE Main Event?

Three Blind Mice?

GRAMMER Police?

No one's listening, but everyone is talking?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 13, 2015, 03:30:36 PM
But in this case I have the power... (my thread)   ;D

I'd hate to see the bickering spill over and cause it.

Create your own bickering thread or maybe I should -  and direct those there that wish to partake in the senseless exercise of correcting each other to ad nauseum.

Really, people need to go back to talking about lawyer billboards or Prof H will take his ball and run home.

Sorry if your buddy insulting me when I was not posting anywhere landed in your topic.  I should be banned for objecting and answering to it. 

Wow!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 13, 2015, 03:32:42 PM
What would be a good name for this new thread?

ROMPER  Room?

WWE Main Event?

Three Blind Mice?

GRAMMER Police?

No one's listening, but everyone is talking?

But in this case I have the power... (my thread)   ;D

I'd hate to see the bickering spill over and cause it.

Create your own bickering thread or maybe I should -  and direct those there that wish to partake in the senseless exercise of correcting each other to ad nauseum.

Oh, that's right, you are allowed to be a pain ion the butt.  Carry on, he won't take his ball home from you posting like your usual troll self.

Oh, wait, was that bickering about a troll post that was ignored by Prof?  Oh man, now he might run home and cry.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 13, 2015, 08:45:50 PM
Really, people need to go back to talking about lawyer billboards or Prof H will take his ball and run home.

Sorry if your buddy insulting me when I was not posting anywhere landed in your topic.  I should be banned for objecting and answering to it. 

Wow!
LOL  it was just a thought -    You took it literal...   and I see in the other thread even started down that road of name calling. 

MN's post was humorous not trolling - not sure how you read it - but I prefer the glass half full version instead of the other. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on May 13, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
LOL  it was just a thought -    You took it literal...   and I see in the other thread even started down that road of name calling. 

MN's post was humorous not trolling - not sure how you read it - but I prefer the glass half full version instead of the other.
Funny how quick you are to defend those on your side of the political divide.

But I'm a little surprised you haven't jumped in with both feet to defend SCF.

Especially since I'm pretty sure you're the grand dragon of the KKK in the area.  ;)

Oh no...my assertion may trigger you to lock your topic...or the other right-wing racist members (AKA the micro-penis club) may join the fray.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 13, 2015, 09:48:54 PM
see now that is some dry humor - but I get it... LOL
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 13, 2015, 09:59:28 PM
On a more serious note:

I was driving and listened to a CNN interview of the family of the young girl killed in the Boston terror attack after the death penalty phase of the trial was left to the jury.

The female interviewer chose to not name the terrorist and instead insisted that we remember the name of the victim(s) who died.  (29-year-old Krystle Campbell, 8-year-old Martin Richard and 23-year-old Lu Lingzi)

I like the idea of not putting the name of terrorist and mass murderers in the news - as sometime that is what they want - infamy.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 13, 2015, 10:05:58 PM
Nice to know you are the KKK go to for the area.  I guess I can quit going to Indiana for meetings now..... ;D

I see Fry is back to his penile fixation.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 13, 2015, 10:21:51 PM
We also tested the recent conspiracy theory that the federal government is trying to take over Texas- 32% of Republican primary voters buy into it compared to 40% who don't. Scott Walker leads the field among those who believe in the Texas conspiracy at 23% to 18% for Ted Cruz, 13% each for Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabee, and 10% for Ben Carson. Jeb Bush leads among voters who don't buy into it at 17% but since he only gets 6% with those who do his overall standing remains somewhat weak.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/05/walker-still-leads-nationally-clinton-over-60.html (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/05/walker-still-leads-nationally-clinton-over-60.html)

As far as loony toon conspiracy theories go, that one is way out there in toon land.  I find it shocking that so many - 32% of republican primary voters - thinks it is real. 

Aside from how completely nutty it is, don't they realize that Texas ALREADY IS a part of the Untied States and the United States isn't taking over which is a part of it already?  WOW!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 14, 2015, 08:09:17 AM
We also tested the recent conspiracy theory that the federal government is trying to take over Texas- 32% of Republican primary voters buy into it compared to 40% who don't. Scott Walker leads the field among those who believe in the Texas conspiracy at 23% to 18% for Ted Cruz, 13% each for Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabee, and 10% for Ben Carson. Jeb Bush leads among voters who don't buy into it at 17% but since he only gets 6% with those who do his overall standing remains somewhat weak.
[url]http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/05/walker-still-leads-nationally-clinton-over-60.html[/url] ([url]http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/05/walker-still-leads-nationally-clinton-over-60.html[/url])

As far as loony toon conspiracy theories go, that one is way out there in toon land.  I find it shocking that so many - 32% of republican primary voters - thinks it is real. 

Aside from how completely nutty it is, don't they realize that Texas ALREADY IS a part of the Untied States and the United States isn't taking over which is a part of it already?  WOW!


While it makes good news for the left wingnut media -   It would be interesting to hear how the question was worded...

Like:  Do you think the states should have the right to determine (pick any subject)

and the socialist interpretation would be be they are trying to stop the nationalizing of all power and services... 

You're poll lost all credibility with that silly question - when they didn't ask one about the "heir apparent" on the other side - showing their bias
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on May 14, 2015, 09:02:08 AM
While it makes good news for the left wingnut media -   It would be interesting to hear how the question was worded...

Like:  Do you think the states should have the right to determine (pick any subject)

and the socialist interpretation would be be they are trying to stop the nationalizing of all power and services... 

You're Your poll lost all credibility with that silly question - when they didn't ask one about the "heir apparent" on the other side - showing their bias
Fixed it for you.

Honestly polls can't be trusted since they're so easy to manipulate to obtain the outcome the pollster is looking for.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 14, 2015, 09:56:36 AM
Fixed it for you.

Honestly polls can't be trusted since they're so easy to manipulate to obtain the outcome the pollster is looking for.
LOL  thanks...

typing with granddaughter trying to punch keys is tough

I agree about polls - as they can be set up to say what you want by the questions asked

Stick to the basics and they can be somewhat informative - but when they delve off to the silly stuff it only invites silly results.

The sources are more and more questionable - as what is the audience? (population base)  people rarely answer phones to unkown #'s,  walking around a mall asking people gets about the same results - you're limited to a small base.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 14, 2015, 02:49:26 PM
While it makes good news for the left wingnut media -   


Perhaps you are unaware that Jade Helm is being pushed by the R presidential candidates (some of) and at least one R governor.  That is not the left making something up. 

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It would be interesting to hear how the question was worded...


It was there in the link.

q23 Do you think that the Government is trying to
take over Texas or not?
The Government is trying to take over Texas 32% ..
 40% The Government is not trying to take over
Texas ..............................................................
Not sure 28% ........................................................
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_51315.pdf (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_51315.pdf)

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Like:  Do you think the states should have the right to determine (pick any subject)

and the socialist interpretation would be be they are trying to stop the nationalizing of all power and services... 


Read the question.  It makes nothing up like you suggest.

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You're poll lost all credibility with that silly question - when they didn't ask one about the "heir apparent" on the other side - showing their bias


First, that is a polling company and does a lot of polls, not just his one.  Two, there were d polls in it, including Hillary.  Or are you saying that Hillary believes that Jade Helm is a take over of Texas?  Ummm, nope.

Frankly, I chose to think that the nuttiness of Jade Helm was just a few nutsy loons and Cruz and others were just... well, I am not sure why they would swallow that stupidity.  But, then if you think the same number is probably birther STILL and latched on to dozens of other fake conspiracies dreamed up by some nut or other.
But, still it amazes me that it is so large a number anyway.

I apologize to you though for insulting you for believing in it.  I had no intention to insult anyone personally at MT.  It was about the national numbers. 

Perhaps you can enlighten me how the United States can take over the United States (Texas)  It is pretty obvious to me it is already part of the U.S. and the U.S. has no need to take it over because it is already a part of it.

I guess since you defend the Jade Helm stuff I will ask also.  Why do you think it is a conspiracy now when it is something that is done frequently over the years for training.  I can remember my older brother telling me general things about them often over the last decades.  Mostly that he would be away and not able to talk for a month or whatever.  It is standard stuff, nothing new.  So, why is it suddenly a conspiracy worth defending?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 14, 2015, 02:56:56 PM
Don't recall defending anything...  just questioning why that would be a poll question to begin with?

Then followed up with why they didn't ask something just as ludicrous about the D's or Hillary in the same poll.

I did read the article - just didn't see the entire list of questions - just the ones they chose to focus on. 

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 14, 2015, 03:40:11 PM
Don't recall defending anything...  just questioning why that would be a poll question to begin with?

Then followed up with why they didn't ask something just as ludicrous about the D's or Hillary in the same poll.

I did read the article - just didn't see the entire list of questions - just the ones they chose to focus on.

Well, it still seems as defending it to me, but if you say so.

Ted Cruz, candidate for President believes it and rails against it.  The governor of Texas and I think two other states publicly think Jade Helm is a legitimate conspiracy.  It was asked because some or all of the Republican candidates for President believe it.  That makes it a legitimate question to ask. But, I am sure someone in a less right leaning poll company will certainly ask a stupid question to make you happy.

Any article I have ever read about polls only talks about a select part.  ANY.  Usually they give the link to the original poll data and questions.  Just because it is highly embarrassing to your party, that doesn't mean it isn't valid or real.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 14, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
I don't recall ever hearing that question as a topic...   but then again I don't live in Texas where the Feds want to be in charge on certain issues - yet won't act on those same...   Arizona has the same issue - called border security and Immigration laws. 

Maybe that's what is meant? 

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 14, 2015, 05:47:09 PM

Maybe that's what is meant?

no, not at all.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 14, 2015, 06:44:12 PM
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LANSING, MI — Michigan's Republican-led Senate on Thursday approved a plan to repeal the state's prevailing wage law, which requires union wages and benefits for workers on government-funded construction projects.

The fate of the three-bill package, now heading to the House for consideration, remains unclear.

Republican Gov. Rick Snyder has made clear he does not support efforts to repeal the 1965 law, setting up a potential showdown with the increasingly conservative Legislature.

Senate Majority Leader Arlan Meekhof, in a floor speech, said prevailing wage repeal is one of his top legislative priorities and suggested it could help state and local governments save more than $200 million a year.

"Prevailing wage has artificially raised the cost of construction for projects funded with tax dollars," he said, specifically pointing to construction of school buildings. "... I just don't think it's right that taxpayers pay more than private industry for their construction."

But prevailing wage supporters say the law guarantees fair wages for skilled trades workers, and they dispute projections of possible taxpayer savings.

"Prevailing wage works," said Sen. Rebekah Warren, D-Ann Arbor. "It has given us quality construction. It has given us quality wages for the trades people that built this state and literally continue do so everyday."

Thursday's 22-15 vote fell mostly along party lines, but a handful of Republicans — Sens. Tom Casperson of Escanaba, Mike Kowall of White Lake, Mike Nofs of Battle Creek, Tory Rocca of Sterling Heights and Dale Zorn of Ida — joined Democrats in opposing the measure.

Casperson, in a floor speech, questioned whether a repeal would actually put any money back in taxpayer pockets and suggested Thursday's vote would provide fodder for partisan attacks.

"I would implore my colleagues to ask yourselves when you're accused of supporting corporations at the expense of the working man, those that accuse us of that, are they going to be wrong?" Casperson told fellow Republicans.

A $75,000 appropriation was attached to one of the bills earlier this week in committee. The provision directs the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs to implement and "disseminate information" about repeal, but it would also make the measure immune to referendum.

Warren proposed an amendment to remove the appropriation, but it narrowly failed 19-18.

"This appropriation is the height of political cowardice," said Sen. Curtis Hertel, D-East Lansing. "You're afraid of what the voters will do. You're afraid they will go to the ballot and vote this down."

Meekhof disputed that accusation, however, noting that companies are required to post information and legal notices at job sites.

"This appropriation is specifically for informing people what the new law is, what their abilities are, what their rights are," Meekhof said. "I reject the noting that it's for anything other."

Michigan's prevailing wage law is not directly related to the ongoing debate over long-term road funding. Many road projects utilize federal dollars, so federal wage rate requirements apply.

The Michigan law affects construction projects that utilize state funding, including school buildings. Repeal would have "an indeterminate, but likely positive, fiscal impact" on the state and local units of government, according to the non-partisan Senate Fiscal Agency.

Repeal proponents point to a 2013 report by the Anderson Economic Group, which estimated that prevailing wage costs state and local governments an extra $224 million a year on education-related construction projects between 2002 and 2011.

While several states mandate wage rates on public works projects, Michigan is one of just six that bases rates exclusively on union collective bargaining agreements, according to the Associated Builders and Contractors of Michigan.

"Michigan has been hamstrung by the prevailing wage mandate for five decades," Chris Fisher, ABC of Michigan president, said in a statement applauding the Senate vote. "... Our school districts, colleges and universities will especially benefit when costs are brought back in line with the private sector."

Prevailing wage supporters argue wage-specific studies cited by advocates are flawed and do not consider the full range of factors that can determine construction costs.

The Anderson Economic Group estimates are based on "a back-of-the-envelope calculation" based on outdated assumptions, according to a working paper by University of Utah economics professor Peter Phillips and distributed Wednesday by prevailing wage supporters.

"Lowering wages for Michigan's hard-working men and women is simply wrong," said Senate Minority Leader Jim Ananich, D-Flint.

Senate Bills 1, 2, and 3 now head to the Michigan House, where the Republican majority already has included prevailing wage repeal in a caucus action plan.


http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/05/michigan_senate_approves_preva.html#incart_river (http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/05/michigan_senate_approves_preva.html#incart_river)

About time!  I hope the house passes this - and Snyder signs it!

It could get costs in line all over the State.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on May 14, 2015, 07:56:47 PM
The governments should not be telling private companies how much to pay employees.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on May 14, 2015, 09:19:59 PM
The governments should not be telling private companies how much to pay employees.


Let's check in to see how government mandated pay raises are working out in Seattle:

Restaurants in Seattle are booming. Amazon and other tech companies are on a hiring spree, and that's been like manna from heaven for the city's more than 4,000 eateries.

But in April, the city's minimum wage rose to $11 an hour, and it will keep rising every year to $15 an hour and beyond. Restaurants are now scrambling to figure out how they will pay.

No major city has ever seen an across-the-board 60 percent increase in its minimum wage. Restaurants employ about a quarter of Seattle's minimum wage workers. Labor typically accounts for about a third of a restaurant's costs.

Hardy says he is making adjustments: trimming staff hours, opening one hour later and closing one hour earlier. He's also considering whether to close some hours during the day.

"I'm going through the hourly sales, and if it is not making money, if it is not profitable, we are not going to do it, because we can't afford to," he says.

Hardy is a small employer, so he has a few years to figure out what to do. The $15 wage will be phased in at different rates for different size employers over the course of several years.

The biggest pressures will be on large employers, who reach $15 an hour sooner. They are the ones now making the most dramatic changes.

Bob Donegan, the president of Ivar's, which runs a chain of fish and chip shops, says the company has increased its prices. At Ivar's Salmon House, for instance, one of the company's sit-down restaurants, the price for all menu items increased 21 percent in April.

"Alaska coho that's today $34, last week would have been $28," Donegan says. "So that meal that last year cost you $100, today costs you $121."

The catch is that when diners pay the bill, they are no longer expected to leave a tip: it's included. The big price increase will allow the Salmon House to start paying a $15-an-hour minimum wage immediately, three years ahead of schedule.

"It's very early, but so far it's working OK," Donegan says.

Many restaurants in the city are watching Ivar's to see if the changes work and if they should follow suit, he says. But not every restaurant is in a position to experiment.

Ritu Shah Burnhamm, who owns a zpizza, employs 12 people. But because her business is a franchise, the city considers her a large employer. That means she has to pay $1.50 an hour more this year, $2 more next year and another $2.00 an hour more the year after.

"If you have to pay $15 an hour in 20 months, and that is the largest part of your expenses, it's a little difficult to do a business plan that makes that work," Burnham says. "I tried. Before I made my decision I tried, and I didn't see it happening."

Burnham says she didn't want to go back to working 60 or 80 hours weeks, as she did when she first opened the restaurant, just to make ends meet. So she is shutting down her business at the end of the summer.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/05/09/405248917/seattle-restaurants-scramble-to-pay-a-higher-minimum-wage (http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/05/09/405248917/seattle-restaurants-scramble-to-pay-a-higher-minimum-wage)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 15, 2015, 09:45:05 AM
The governments should not be telling private companies how much to pay employees.
Problem is if governments tell the employees that they can't unionize  with the rights to strike
then tell the employers they can pay whatevever    they are playing favorites

Some seem to forget the history behind why unions were formed in the first place!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on May 15, 2015, 09:54:24 AM
But unions don't set wages.  They arbitrate/negotiate with management and come to some agreement.  And if the employer doesn't want to negotiate they close the doors.
That's different than the government telling companies how much they have to pay employees.
Some business owners are ruthless and will screw over employees.  I get that.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 15, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
But unions don't set wages.  They arbitrate/negotiate with management and come to some agreement.  And if the employer doesn't want to negotiate they close the doors.
That's different than the government telling companies how much they have to pay employees.
Some business owners are ruthless and will screw over employees.  I get that.

You just described a Union-employer relationship that some governments have dismantled or gutted

The issue seems to be that governments can't control themselves - but seem to think they can control other things better
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 16, 2015, 10:11:51 PM
I forgot as an originator of a topic I could lock down that topic. Had I been aware of that fact I would have locked down my "We're All But Done Topic" myself, before it got out of hand and the administration had to do so in response to a complaint. I won't forget again.   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 16, 2015, 10:36:51 PM
So when are you going to start up the We're all but done 2, John?

I would do it - but I don't want to steal your thunder.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 17, 2015, 09:56:49 AM
That's a comforting thought.  If you didn't have friends who acted like idiots there would not have been a problem in the first place.   A complaint?  Awww, someone must be a little weak.

Give it a rest, it's getting boring.  Quit trolling for a response you aren't gonna get.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 17, 2015, 10:01:33 AM
you mean this?

(http://www.memesly.com/media/created/q1buoz.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 17, 2015, 05:25:48 PM
Your boy Kopke brought the issue of that thread up again, so here I am! :)  Funny, you read this post, but when you claimed the word "gook" wasn't racist, and I asked you in what context would the word "gook" not be racist, you didn't manage to see that post, punk.  It's also funny how at that point none of your pals interjected on your behalf as they were so eager to do previously.

It's yesterdays laundry.  Quit trolling for a respnse because none is forthcoming.  You ain't worth the time.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 17, 2015, 06:21:14 PM
With the train wreck in Philly the talk has turned to infrastructure spending. Course spending on infrastructure had nothing to do with the cause of the disaster, but it is another example of never let a crisis happen without taking political advantage. In any event, we do need to do more to improve our infrastructure. However, as a taxpayer, I have a real problem with our corrupt Federal Government determining what projects it will undertake, how it will generate the dollars to pay for the various projects, and how it will disburse those dollars. Frankly, I'm of the opinion a major push in this area would end up being little more than a huge boondoggle, ala the "big dig" for example, which was a project to build a highway tunnel in Boston. The original cost was supposedly $ 2.6 billion, but it ended up costing $ 15 billion. So we have a conundrum. We need to improve our infrastructure, but do we want to spend say $ 1.5 trillion over the next 5 years to get $ 300 billion in improvements?       
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 17, 2015, 08:12:51 PM
I'm sure Warren Buffett has no issues maintaining and improving the right of way for his BNSF railroad.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 17, 2015, 08:42:36 PM
Head of Planned Parenthood said a 20 week ban on abortions would harm women. Well how does it affect the baby being chopped up in the womb? One is upset and the other eviscerated. Ronald Reagan once said I've noticed that everyone for abortion has already been born. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 17, 2015, 09:29:11 PM
...and the fetus has no say one way or another.  Then, when the fetus is term and emerges, it still has not much say until it's emancipated.  Then it becomes a member of society and hopefully a constructive member.

Myself, I'm pro choice, not pro life.  Not because the fetus has no say but because it still needs to be up to the mother if the fetus reaches term, not the government, the clergy or anyone else.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 19, 2015, 08:15:55 AM
Ronald Reagan once said I've noticed that everyone for abortion has already been born. 

Interesting - I hadn't hear that one before.

I understand the need for some reasons, but it seems to have become almost an alternative to birth control and a convenience...   

The feminist that claim they control their "bodies" forget they also controlled them before they chose to copulate.   
I can see it in cases of rape then - as they didn't have control -
Choosing to end a human life that has done nothing wrong other than by the parents they were given is a very serious thing to do.   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 19, 2015, 09:34:50 AM
Rubbers and abstinence are great contraceptives.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on May 20, 2015, 08:53:42 AM
Alfonzo Rachel does a good job calling out Michelle Obama.

Does Michelle Obama Only Represent the Black Community? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=117&v=pdHYhwU35Jg#)


There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the **** race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the **** to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.  ~ Booker T. Washington 


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 20, 2015, 10:17:51 AM
Thats smoking....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 20, 2015, 01:11:50 PM
It's funny how Hillary dodges a few questions and now the press thinks she "talked" to them...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 20, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
I don't understand the media's 'love' of Hillary.  She crooked and contemptuous.  It's so plain to see.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 20, 2015, 08:19:31 PM
She has the all important (D) behind her name.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 20, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
I'm thinking Obama's obsession with climate change was a moment the graduates of one of the academies won't soon forget...   after all climate change is a greater threat now than even terrorist!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 21, 2015, 12:13:28 AM
I have a bad feeling that my mug is gonna be in the paper tomorrow, probably the front page....

I was sitting front row left with CL and the township planning comission members and looked left right into a couple news media cameras....  I'm not photogenic.

Basicaslly SRO at the high school with Sheppard, Zorn, Lavoy, J. Henry, Hoffman, Ned Berkey, Mark Brandt and other politicrats all in solidarity supporting the township's position on the Trendwell injection well permit.

CL gave a good speech btw.  Proud to be married to such an articulate speaker and proud of all the residents on Summerfield Township as well as the rest of Monroe County that showed up in support of a review and possible denial of the injection well permit.

The EPA has a lot of information to digest now.  Lets hope they make the right decision concerning waste injection in a known Karst area.  Fingers crossed.

I normally can't sit that long but every new speaker broght a different aspect to the table.  Was an interesting meeting.

For everyone that attended, I thought it showed solidarity united in a common cause that could impact everyone in the county and beyond.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 21, 2015, 11:27:37 AM
It's funny how Hillary dodges a few questions and now the press thinks she "talked" to them...

I don't know which you are speaking, but show me a politician that answers the question and only the question all of the time.  You won't find one. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 21, 2015, 11:36:40 AM
I have a bad feeling that my mug is gonna be in the paper tomorrow, probably the front page....

I was sitting front row left with CL and the township planning comission members and looked left right into a couple news media cameras....  I'm not photogenic.

Basicaslly SRO at the high school with Sheppard, Zorn, Lavoy, J. Henry, Hoffman, Ned Berkey, Mark Brandt and other politicrats all in solidarity supporting the township's position on the Trendwell injection well permit.

CL gave a good speech btw.  Proud to be married to such an articulate speaker and proud of all the residents on Summerfield Township as well as the rest of Monroe County that showed up in support of a review and possible denial of the injection well permit.

The EPA has a lot of information to digest now.  Lets hope they make the right decision concerning waste injection in a known Karst area.  Fingers crossed.

I normally can't sit that long but every new speaker broght a different aspect to the table.  Was an interesting meeting.

For everyone that attended, I thought it showed solidarity united in a common cause that could impact everyone in the county and beyond.
I thought that it was the republican ideal of the government staying out of the way of business.  The free market says they should be allowed to do it (no government interference) and if there are consequences you should not buy their product. 

Sorry, not trying to be rude.  It just seems so NIMBY

I agree the evidence seems to be there that it appears to be a very bad practice.  The fact that earthquakes have gone up 500% in areas with injection wells says a lot.  I hope you are successful.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 21, 2015, 02:22:29 PM
The EPA is the oversight agency and the permit granting entity.  I'm not about government intervention in anything but in this case it's all very techinical and a bad outcome could very well impact everyone in the county that depends on a well for drinking water or irrigation and could actually impact Lake Erie because the injection fluid could travel that far if the well fails.

It's a big risk and unknown.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 21, 2015, 07:08:05 PM
The EPA is the oversight agency and the permit granting entity.  I'm not about government intervention in anything but in this case it's all very techinical and a bad outcome could very well impact everyone in the county that depends on a well for drinking water or irrigation and could actually impact Lake Erie because the injection fluid could travel that far if the well fails.

It's a big risk and unknown.

I agree that there should be a stop, or at least no new ones, until the science catches up and the government can keep us safe, if needed.  Unfortunately the industry is paying a lot of deniers to falsify the facts to make it seems safe or not happening.  Good luck to you, I hope it doesn't happen.

My playing devils advocate was to show that the government DOES have a role to play and the blanket saying that the government should stay out of business or let them police themselves isn't a good plan.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 21, 2015, 08:00:56 PM
I agree that there should be a stop, or at least no new ones, until the science catches up and the government can keep us safe, if needed.  Unfortunately the industry is paying a lot of deniers to falsify the facts to make it seems safe or not happening.  Good luck to you, I hope it doesn't happen.

My playing devils advocate was to show that the government DOES have a role to play and the blanket saying that the government should stay out of business or let them police themselves isn't a good plan.

Duck:

Well I have to say I'm not all on board with fracking. Yet I haven't seen any articles regarding the contamination of water tables in various locals. Have you?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 21, 2015, 09:54:27 PM
John..

No, there aren't any and from a personal standpoint I don't want to see any, especially here in this Karst region.

Any contamination could be very widespread in a short amount of time, rendering the water unfit to drink.

Our point is why take the chance in the first place, the risk (because of the Karst substrata) is so great, it borders on insane to inject hazardous fluids underground.

Our water isn't all that great in the first place.  I don't want to turn on the faucet and have down hole injected waste coming out in my sink.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: CatLady on May 22, 2015, 10:17:07 AM
There are no fracking operations in Monroe County - just conventional drilling.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 23, 2015, 08:12:26 PM
I am sure glad that Obama is going to use the Military to Combat the most dangerous threat to the US right now.......

 8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on May 25, 2015, 07:46:31 PM
It looks like the EU is beginning to move in a more conservative direction.  Cameron's message would create quite a controversy here in the US,,,,,,but is some of it really all that bad when it comes to protecting the good of the economy. 

http://news.yahoo.com/uk-says-no-referendum-vote-most-other-eu-073834350.html (http://news.yahoo.com/uk-says-no-referendum-vote-most-other-eu-073834350.html)

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Cameron has said changes to rules on welfare benefits were an absolute requirement in any renegotiation. He wants to force EU migrants to wait four years before accessing a range of welfare benefits in Britain, and to win the power to deport out of work EU jobseekers after six months.


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 25, 2015, 07:56:42 PM
Deport?

What does Deport mean?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: CatLady on May 25, 2015, 08:24:09 PM
de·port, verb:  expel (a foreigner) from a country, typically on the grounds of illegal status or for having committed a crime.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 25, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
Deport?

What does Deport mean?

Verb hell, toss 'em out like yesterdays garbage.  Leeches leave, industrious people stay.  Thats how it should be here too.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 25, 2015, 09:25:29 PM
de·port, verb:  expel (a foreigner) from a country, typically on the grounds of illegal status or for having committed a crime.

You mean you can make foreigners leave your country when they are there without a legal status?

You don't have to give them amnesty, a path to citizenship, and a goody package?

Really?

Is this a new concept?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on May 25, 2015, 09:32:28 PM
You mean you can make foreigners leave your country when they are there without a legal status?

You don't have to give them amnesty, a path to citizenship, and a goody package?

Really?

Is this a new concept?
Nope, only under this administration.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 25, 2015, 09:46:06 PM
Nope, only under this administration.

Really, President Reagan is a part of teh Obama Presidency?  How is that possible.  Ohhhh, yip yip trolls to make people think Reagan didn't do the same.  Oh, well carry on troll
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 25, 2015, 09:57:46 PM
You mean you can make foreigners leave your country when they are there without a legal status?

You don't have to give them amnesty, a path to citizenship, and a goody package?

Really?

Is this a new concept?

Why deport when you get more votes...  ;D

Heck those people waiting in line legally deserve to move to the back of the line
 according the D party current administration... 

why make room for someone who wants to come here "LEGALLY"? 
Really, President Reagan is a part of teh Obama Presidency?  How is that possible.  Ohhhh, yip yip trolls to make people think Reagan didn't do the same.  Oh, well carry on troll
I'm trying to figure out when Reagan ordered "States" not to enforce immigration laws - or when his Attorney General decided to not enforce them?   We are talking Deportation aren't we?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on May 25, 2015, 09:58:03 PM
Really, President Reagan is a part of teh Obama Presidency?  How is that possible.  Ohhhh, yip yip trolls to make people think Reagan didn't do the same.  Oh, well carry on troll
Carry on, Duck; troll ya' later.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 25, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
Why deport when you get more votes...  ;D




U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/)

But why waste a good rant because of reality... carry on.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on May 25, 2015, 10:09:44 PM

U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013
[url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/[/url] ([url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/[/url])

But why waste a good rant because of reality... carry on.
How many were deported from inland and how many were deported immediately when they crossed the border? Statistics?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 25, 2015, 10:22:46 PM
How many were deported from inland and how many were deported immediately when they crossed the border? Statistics?

I don't know.  Why don't you figure out how google works and get the answer.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 25, 2015, 10:48:41 PM
I don't know.  Why don't you figure out how google works and get the answer.


The answer doesn't fit the agenda
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/07/us/more-deportations-follow-minor-crimes-data-shows.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/07/us/more-deportations-follow-minor-crimes-data-shows.html)

... and more are being removed at the border.
More people are being removed from the border. Meanwhile a growing portion of those caught illegally crossing the border have lived in the country for years.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 25, 2015, 10:49:36 PM
Never could figure out why some are afraid of  securing our border?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on May 25, 2015, 11:05:09 PM
I don't know.  Why don't you figure out how google works and get the answer.
You know, you just don't want anyone else to know the answer.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 26, 2015, 10:12:11 AM

But why waste a good rant because of reality... carry on.

Why ignore the true subject and comment on the joke... of course some may not have a sense of humor

Why deport when you get more votes...  ;D

Heck those people waiting in line legally deserve to move to the back of the line
 according the D party current administration... 

why make room for someone who wants to come here "LEGALLY"?  I'm trying to figure out when Reagan ordered "States" not to enforce immigration laws - or when his Attorney General decided to not enforce them?   We are talking Deportation aren't we?


Of course there will be more deportations - there are "MILLIONS" of illegals...

not sure the general population % of contact with LE  but it would figure about 5-10%
(Okay I googled it for Duck  ;D  it's closer to 15-20%   http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf) )

and if 200k are deported at the border (in other words stopping the flow)... 
the larger the populace the larger the number of deportee's
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 26, 2015, 10:24:19 AM
Interesting the Supreme Court has a case based on representing Illegals in a district or not ...  do they count as future voters?

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court agreed Tuesday to hear an important case about whether states must count only those who are eligible to vote, rather than the total population, when drawing electoral districts for their legislatures.
The case from Texas could be significant for states with large immigrant populations, including Latinos who are children or not citizens. The plaintiffs claim that redrawing electoral districts based on the population of citizens and non-citizens alike violates the constitutional requirement of one person, one vote.
The challengers claim that taking account of total population can lead to vast differences in the number of voters in particular districts, along with corresponding differences in the power of those voters.
The Project on Fair Representation is funding the lawsuit filed by two Texas residents. The group opposes racial and ethnic classifications and has been behind Supreme Court challenges to affirmative action and the federal Voting Rights Act.
The court's 1964 ruling in Reynolds v. Sims established the one person, one vote principle and means that a state's legislative districts must have roughly the same number of people. But the court has never determined whether the state must count everyone or just eligible voters - or have some leeway to choose.
A ruling for the challengers would shift power to rural areas and away from urban districts in which there are large populations of immigrants who are not eligible to vote because they are children or not citizens.
The case, Evenwel v. Abbott, 14-940, will be argued in the fall.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_VOTING_RIGHTS?SITE=MIMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_VOTING_RIGHTS?SITE=MIMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 26, 2015, 12:48:53 PM
Why ignore the true subject and comment on the joke... of course some may not have a sense of humor


That was supposed to be humor?

"Why deport when you get more votes."  where is the humor?  It seems intended to be a partisan insult. 

Quote
Of course there will be more deportations - there are "MILLIONS" of illegals...

not sure the general population % of contact with LE  but it would figure about 5-10%
(Okay I googled it for Duck  ;D  it's closer to 15-20%   [url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf[/url]) )

and if 200k are deported at the border (in other words stopping the flow)... 
the larger the populace the larger the number of deportee's


The accusation is and has been that Obama ignores illegal immigrants.  The facts show he deports far more than Bush did, and no the numbers did not go up for Obama.  A great deal of immigrants left with the recession.

What I dislike is the continual accusation that illegal immigration is all democrats fault.  It is not.  My opinion is that if there is 11 million illegal immigrants, then there is 11 million illegal immigrants being paid lower wages by companies illegally employing them.  Republicans always claim that democrats are at fault and the illegal aliens are evil or whatever and NEVER admit the republican covered companies employing them.  Stop illegal employment and there would be NO - zero- none - illegal aliens.  Yet, never is that a part of any republican equation. just accuse others and pretend.

But then the accusations are all humor that I don't get according to you.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 26, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
That was supposed to be humor?

"Why deport when you get more votes."  where is the humor?  It seems intended to be a partisan insult. 


Apparently satire isn't your forte'    I get it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on May 26, 2015, 08:28:59 PM
Apparently satire isn't your forte'    I get it.
Your comment wasn't satire...it was parroting partisan lies.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 26, 2015, 08:53:35 PM
Apparently satire isn't your forte'    I get it.

I guess that is TWO posters that don't get Satire.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 26, 2015, 08:58:31 PM
I guess that is TWO posters that don't get Satire.

That's why some don't get Shakespeare either... takes a little more to grasp
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 26, 2015, 09:00:40 PM
That's why some don't get Shakespeare either... takes a little more to grasp

I love Shakespeare.

He was a dirty old man.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 26, 2015, 09:11:23 PM
Apparently satire isn't your forte'    I get it.

Yeah, I never did get how insults are "humor" but it made you chuckle to be insulting so carry on.  Oh, do you tell people they are fat and laugh at them too?

I guess that is TWO posters that don't get Satire.

Aww amn, all those times you felt all insulted for me calling you an intolerant tea bagger was just satire too and you just felt all bad and stuff.  Gosh, funny how it has to be an insult at some else's expense to be "funny" to you.

But, then I can't recall you ever being close to civil. (insert huge laughing smiley so MN is not insulted)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on May 26, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Amid the news that Michigan Governor Snyder is seeking to cut the popular tourism program to fund Michigan's roads, Pure Michigan today announced a new campaign.  The campaign is targeted at those who are thinking about visiting Michigan during the popular summer months, but ads will run year round.
Highlights of the new campaign focuses on all the fun activities that can be had in the beautiful state of Michigan, regardless of the under-funded roads.  Here are some of those activities:

Roller Coaster Potholes

Drive straight over every pothole and let the fun begin!  Experience ups and downs that toss you around and let the seatbelt snap against your breastbone.  Watch as your belongings get flung around the car and make a game out of guessing where they'll land.  Just make sure you throw your hands up and shout out "Wooooo!" when you hit the potholes the size of your car!  Great fun for all ages.

Life-Size Bumper Cars

If hitting every pothole isn't your taste, then Life-Size Bumper Cars are for you!  Dodge every pothole, swerving from left to right and back again, avoiding the cars coming at you that are dodging potholes too.  Each jerk of the wheel will bring you a winning combination of delight and horror, whether you're the driver or a passenger on this trip.  Just watch out for those hidden potholes that sneak up on you!  Too many of those and your game, and car, will be over.  Suitable for all ages, driver must have valid license.  Beginner - Residential roads.  Intermediate - Country roads.  Expert - State highways.

Is This Bridge Safe?

 Who doesn't like to play the popular car game Is This Bridge Safe?  Looks can be deceiving, and every bridge will keep you on the edge of your car seat as you start to cross over.  Enjoy the thrills as you look down on rivers, railroad tracks and valleys below.  Feel the triumph as you exit the bridge safe and sound, and be sure to applaud the success.  Also entertaining is the related game, Will This Bridge Collapse On Me?  Have fun driving the underpasses, too!  Designed for all ages.  Note: Should a bridge collapse while you are driving on it, enjoy the ride down, and remember, it's just like bungee jumping, but with no bungee.

Front Flip Motorcycle

 Special just for the summer months for the motorcyclist in your life, it's the Front Flip Motorcycle carnival game.  All you need is that perfect pothole, enough speed, and a sense of adventure!  See how much air you and your bike can catch, and compare with others.  Just be careful, as one wrong move, and the game is over.  Fun for ages 18+.  Must wear helmet or have helmetless insurance.

And the fun just intensifies in winter:

Hockey Cars

By mid-winter, most of the salt and sand will be long gone so that's the perfect time to experience Hockey Cars, a fast-paced game that inflicts severe damage on the other players and their cars.  Enjoy the ice-slicked roads as you spin out on turns, slide long distances to stop, and maybe, just maybe, experience a large pile-up.  Just be prepared to wait in cold weather for a long time for that tow truck to show up!  Fun for the entire family.

Spring isn't left out either:

Highway Rapids

Enjoy the experience of being rushed along with floodwaters from the safety of your car.  Imagine seeing some of Michigan's oldest cities as the floodwaters rush you down highways not designed for downpours.  A thrilling experience that children of all ages are sure to enjoy again and again, weather permitting.

As if all the fun listed above wasn't enough, there's an added bonus.  For a limited time, tourists can get their very own glass bottle full of Michigan road gravel.  That's right!  You can reminisce about the fun you had in Michigan with your bottle of road gravel, removed from paved roads, as Michigan converts the roads back to gravel.

Won't you come join us for some fun that's "Pure Michigan"?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/26/1387985/-Pure-Michigan-Announces-New-Ad-Campaign-Finds-Silver-Lining-in-Poor-Road-Conditions (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/26/1387985/-Pure-Michigan-Announces-New-Ad-Campaign-Finds-Silver-Lining-in-Poor-Road-Conditions)

I don't usually post an entire article, but being as it is at Kos and most here would ignore it if I just posted the link I thought it best.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 27, 2015, 12:40:14 AM
The citizens are forming a referendum to legalize and tax "pot"... 

Give the state tax money and what else would they do with it right now?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 27, 2015, 06:46:24 AM
The citizens are forming a referendum to legalize and tax "pot"... 

Give the state tax money and what else would they do with it right now?

I hope the legislature legalizes it first....

I have seen how poorly the ballot initiative language is written....

We have a "full time" legislature - can't they just do their job?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on May 27, 2015, 04:03:16 PM
The ballot initiative has been withdrawn. It was definately NOT good legislation anyways.

Mav
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 27, 2015, 09:50:12 PM
The ballot initiative has been withdrawn. It was definately NOT good legislation anyways.

Mav
Too bad they didn't seek advice if that's the case...   

I'm sure the extra tax money that States who have legalized and taxed it,
will get the peaked interest of other states eventually... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 28, 2015, 06:29:10 AM
Any information on why it was withdrawn?

The legislature should still move forward - I would rather have the draft good legislation than have a bad ballot initiative pass - and I think it would pass.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 28, 2015, 03:16:10 PM
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/may/28/airport-teachers-pickets-protest-months-long-absen//?news (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/may/28/airport-teachers-pickets-protest-months-long-absen//?news)

I'm thinking that lots of people would like to start a job at 40k with benefits...  and summers off.   ;D
http://www.airportschools.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_1282167/File/TeachersColBarg2011-13.pdf

I'm not saying they aren't worth more - but the way the society has chosen to pay teachers/police/fire/...  is that you get more if you are in a rich area or have a large taxpayer base...  (Monroe PD was a training ground for years to other departments that paid more)
 
What tax base is in airport school district?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on May 28, 2015, 07:07:39 PM
[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/may/28/airport-teachers-pickets-protest-months-long-absen//?news[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/may/28/airport-teachers-pickets-protest-months-long-absen//?news[/url])

I'm thinking that lots of people would like to start a job at 40k with benefits...  and summers off.   ;D
[url]http://www.airportschools.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_1282167/File/TeachersColBarg2011-13.pdf[/url]

I'm not saying they aren't worth more - but the way the society has chosen to pay teachers/police/fire/...  is that you get more if you are in a rich area or have a large taxpayer base...  (Monroe PD was a training ground for years to other departments that paid more)
 
What tax base is in airport school district?
So in your opinion, teachers aren't worth the money they're being paid? And while you've expressed some sort of jealousy about the summer break...I seem to recall hearing that they have work to do during that period.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on May 28, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
So in your opinion, teachers aren't worth the money they're being paid? And while you've expressed some sort of jealousy about the summer break...I seem to recall hearing that they have work to do during that period.
He didn't say that. He said there are people who would love to start a job at 40 large with benefits. He went on to say that HE WASN"T saying they are not worth more. He also expressed no jealousy of Summers off. He IS retired, doncha know.Do you even bother to read posts before you go off on someone? I didn't think so. If a "righty" posts, he must be wrong, somehow.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: John Kopke on May 28, 2015, 08:21:54 PM
All I have to say is I'm glad I don't live in Baltimore. The community organizer is chief and the moron mayor and prosecutor have really created a cluster fudge. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 28, 2015, 08:26:20 PM
I don't think some posters read anything before they go off.

They just see who posted and start ranting.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on May 28, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
All I have to say is I'm glad I don't live in Baltimore. 

No doubt, and it's a shame too John, 10 to 15 years ago it was a nice place to visit with some spectacular views and rich history.  Not sure if they can pull themselves up out of this or not.

They too, like Detroit, lost a ton of good paying blue collar jobs over the years and manufacturing revenue (now across our borders), and the exiting of people out of the city proper.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 28, 2015, 08:45:12 PM
I'm still waiting for Detroit to pull itself back from 68.

I'm starting to think it isn't going to happen.

You go to Chicago, Toronto, NY, etc etc etc - and then you go Downtown Detroit - and you just wonder - What the HELL happened HERE?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 28, 2015, 09:15:06 PM
So in your opinion, teachers aren't worth the money they're being paid? And while you've expressed some sort of jealousy about the summer break...I seem to recall hearing that they have work to do during that period.
so you have caught the reading comprehension problem you claim others seem to have


I stated that it's a product of our society and the "where you choose to work" issue... 

Your neighborhood teachers make much more because they live in a Nuclear Power Plant neighorhood! and can afford to pay much more than Airport schools who don't have much in the way of "industrial" tax base... 

Has nothing to do with education or work ethic -it's about where you live/work   8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 28, 2015, 09:20:50 PM
No doubt, and it's a shame too John, 10 to 15 years ago it was a nice place to visit with some spectacular views and rich history.  Not sure if they can pull themselves up out of this or not.

They too, like Detroit, lost a ton of good paying blue collar jobs over the years and manufacturing revenue (now across our borders), and the exiting of people out of the city proper.


I used to visit the Inner Harbor and Little Italy  quite often over my visits there (12 years)...   was always interesting to see the red beret guys around those areas that warned you of venturing beyond these "tourist- public areas"...

and we laughed on the way in/out of town how they spelled a State...   Ewtah street - we loved it!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on May 28, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
I'm still waiting for Detroit to pull itself back from 68.

I'm starting to think it isn't going to happen.

You go to Chicago, Toronto, NY, etc etc etc - and then you go Downtown Detroit - and you just wonder - What the HELL happened HERE?
you missed the "Mistake on the Lake"   Cleveland - which has the Rock n roll hall of fame and many microbreweries
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 29, 2015, 06:55:56 AM
you missed the "Mistake on the Lake"   Cleveland - which has the Rock n roll hall of fame and many microbreweries

I don't know about Cleveland.

I went there one year - and it seemed vibrant.

Went back - and it seemed like Detroit - that everything died.

It was like they tried to force a vibrant downtown, but it went belly-up, or like Detroit it only works on a game day.

In real cities it works on ANY day.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on May 29, 2015, 07:10:07 AM
Should have visited there when the Cuyahoga River caught fire in about where the are of The Flats is now.  Heavy industry had that entire environment screwed up, and when regulations forced closure of many of the forging and casting plants the social environment was negatively impacted.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 29, 2015, 04:17:17 PM
Should have visited there when the Cuyahoga River caught fire in about where the are of The Flats is now.  Heavy industry had that entire environment screwed up, and when regulations forced closure of many of the forging and casting plants the social environment was negatively impacted.

I lived there then.  That was under Ralph Perk.  Cleveland was and is a blue collar town, just not too many blue collars left.

I wouldn't say heavy industry had the enviroment screwed up. it was screwed up pre EPA bullshitte regs.  Why do you thnink castings are mostly offshored today?  Someone has to make them (and the associated pollution).  The EPA made it unprofitable for a casting house to produce a product so they went tits up and so did the blue collar jobs.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 29, 2015, 04:21:39 PM
You have the exact same scenario unfoding today with the Tier 4 final mandate (for diesel engines) but in that case, the cost is passed right on to the consumer in the form of higher food cost.  You all get to fund Obama's green inititative, like it or not....  While third world countries continue to burn high sulfur coal pay cheap wages and eat us for lunch....we ain't competitive in the marketplace no more.

Why do you think auto makers have embraced 'Hencho Mexico'?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on May 29, 2015, 04:25:46 PM
Have known all that for years now Flip!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 29, 2015, 10:45:33 PM
Have known all that for years now Flip!

The average citizen is under the assumption we are however.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on May 30, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
The average citizen is under the assumption we are however.

Maybe when the coal power plants start closing up they will realize that elections have consequences - and Presidents should not act like dictators.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 01, 2015, 12:52:57 PM
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jun/01/justices-rule-for-muslim-denied-job-over-headscarf/?in-other-news (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jun/01/justices-rule-for-muslim-denied-job-over-headscarf/?in-other-news)

Interesting that we are extending religious symbolism for some - yet they keep trying to restrict Christianity -

If anything the workplace should be free of religious symbols...   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on June 01, 2015, 01:04:29 PM
[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jun/01/justices-rule-for-muslim-denied-job-over-headscarf/?in-other-news[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jun/01/justices-rule-for-muslim-denied-job-over-headscarf/?in-other-news[/url])

Interesting that we are extending religious symbolism for some - yet they keep trying to restrict Christianity -

If anything the workplace should be free of religious symbols...   



Restrict Christianity?  Making laws designed so Christians can discriminate is restricting them?  So, by your argument someone Christian can be denied a job? 

No one should be discriminated for their religion, and no religion should be given preferential treatment, as some radical  Christians want.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 01, 2015, 02:43:43 PM
I didn't read that Abercrombie and Fitch was a radical Christian company  -where did you get that?   

I prefer my sex politics and religion outside of the workplace -   we have laws on sexual issues at work - and probably could use some on the other two...     But I guess now all you have to do is say it's a religious article of clothing and you can wear anything -   I can see Jesus Sandals coming into play  ;)

And on the issue of restricting Christianity - yes we have had many instances of Christianity being repressed through the courts - under the misguidance of a principle called separation of Church and State... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on June 01, 2015, 04:31:55 PM
I didn't read that Abercrombie and Fitch was a radical Christian company  -where did you get that? 

I didn’t say that, you made it up.

Quote
I prefer my sex politics and religion outside of the workplace -   we have laws on sexual issues at work - and probably could use some on the other two...     But I guess now all you have to do is say it's a religious article of clothing and you can wear anything -   I can see Jesus Sandals coming into play   

Sadly for you, the whole “religious accommodation” is nothing new and settled in SCOTUS long ago. The person that did the hiring knew she was probably wearing a head scarf for religious purposes.  That was enough that the hirer knew she needed a religious accommodation.  Possibly the only thing close to wearing a scarf for a Muslim woman is a Christian wearing a cross necklace.  People often get the religious accommodation of having Sundays off.

But, for you to say Christians are picked on and a Muslim gets some new law made to accommodate her is stupid.  It was OLD CONSTITUTION not a new interpretation.

Quote
And on the issue of restricting Christianity - yes we have had many instances of Christianity being repressed through the courts - under the misguidance of a principle called separation of Church and State...

NO.  People have attempted, and are once again, of trying to force the government to endorse Christianity only.  You may not LIKE the Constitution, but it is what makes us who we are.  Wanting to vacate the Constitution and make us a state sponsored Christian nation is as bad as the terrorists wanting a Muslim nation.

Christianity is not being repressed in any way.  You can go to any church you wish, of which every town in America has many.  You can pray all you want and publicly say you are Christian without fear of being arrested.  I can recall zero times of someone not being hired because they are Christian.  Claiming Christianity is repressed is ludicrous.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 01, 2015, 06:04:35 PM
I didn't read that Abercrombie and Fitch was a radical Christian company  -where did you get that?   

I prefer my sex politics and religion outside of the workplace -   we have laws on sexual issues at work - and probably could use some on the other two...     But I guess now all you have to do is say it's a religious article of clothing and you can wear anything -   I can see Jesus Sandals coming into play  ;)

And on the issue of restricting Christianity - yes we have had many instances of Christianity being repressed through the courts - under the misguidance of a principle called separation of Church and State...

Aka:  Jeruselum Sliders...... ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on June 02, 2015, 10:50:49 PM
so you have caught the reading comprehension problem you claim others seem to have


I stated that it's a product of our society and the "where you choose to work" issue... 

Your neighborhood teachers make much more because they live in a Nuclear Power Plant neighorhood! and can afford to pay much more than Airport schools who don't have much in the way of "industrial" tax base... 

Has nothing to do with education or work ethic -it's about where you live/work   8*
The gist of what you said in that prior post is still indicative that you don't feel teachers are worth what they're being paid.

Of course you backpedaled in the second paragraph...but that's akin to saying something completely false and partisan...and then trying to play it off as humor.

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/may/28/airport-teachers-pickets-protest-months-long-absen//?news[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/may/28/airport-teachers-pickets-protest-months-long-absen//?news[/url])

I'm thinking that lots of people would like to start a job at 40k with benefits...  and summers off.   ;D
[url]http://www.airportschools.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_1282167/File/TeachersColBarg2011-13.pdf[/url]

I'm not saying they aren't worth more - but the way the society has chosen to pay teachers/police/fire/...  is that you get more if you are in a rich area or have a large taxpayer base...  (Monroe PD was a training ground for years to other departments that paid more)
 
What tax base is in airport school district?
So less affluent areas deserve less in terms of an education?
(And perhaps less of everything else as well in your eyes)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/18/poor-kids-who-do-everything-right-dont-do-better-than-rich-kids-who-do-everything-wrong/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/18/poor-kids-who-do-everything-right-dont-do-better-than-rich-kids-who-do-everything-wrong/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on June 03, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
That isn't what he said Dickweed.

Why don't you Dickweed?

Are you afraid of the Admin?

He didn't say what you accused him of.

But if you want to report me for telling the truth - go right on ahead.

Gosh, can you ever, even once in your pitiful life act polite and civil to someone.  Nah, that is obvious you can't.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on June 03, 2015, 06:32:31 PM
Somebody please report that ahole.

I tried with google and explorer and neither would work.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 03, 2015, 10:01:03 PM
Guess they don't like you either....lol
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 03, 2015, 10:19:11 PM
The gist of what you said in that prior post is still indicative that you don't feel teachers are worth what they're being paid.

Of course you backpedaled in the second paragraph...but that's akin to saying something completely false and partisan...and then trying to play it off as humor.
So less affluent areas deserve less in terms of an education?
(And perhaps less of everything else as well in your eyes)
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/18/poor-kids-who-do-everything-right-dont-do-better-than-rich-kids-who-do-everything-wrong/[/url] ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/18/poor-kids-who-do-everything-right-dont-do-better-than-rich-kids-who-do-everything-wrong/[/url])

No humor no backpedaling - just saying how the system works...   Kind of how you get your taxes low for the services and roads and other extra's

For instance you live in the land of Fermi bucks...  so anything you vote on collects much more $$   

I don't make the rules -   I was commenting on how the system works in Michigan...

It does appear however that the Salaries have equalized in the county - since the change in funding years ago - so maybe that's what the teachers are complaining about with no raises...   Granholm's effects are still being felt.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on June 04, 2015, 08:45:59 AM
Restrict Christianity?  Making laws designed so Christians can discriminate is restricting them?  So, by your argument someone Christian can be denied a job? 

No one should be discriminated for their religion, and no religion should be given preferential treatment, as some radical  Christians want.



Stop putting words in other people's mouths.

I think what the good Prof was talking about is that everyone seems to be bending over backwards to accommodate Muslims, while Christians are being told they can't display something as simple as a nativity scene, or play Christmas music in public.

Displaying a cross, or a nativity scene, or having a Christian Bible study is forbidden.  But spending $25,000 so Muslims can wash their feet before they pray is OK?  I don't think so.

Here is an article from eight years ago, and it has steadily gotten worse, with time.


DEARBORN, Mich. — When pools of water began accumulating on the floor in some restrooms at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, and the sinks pulling away from the walls, the problem was easy to pinpoint. On this campus, more than 10 percent of the students are Muslims, and as part of ritual ablutions required before their five-times-a-day prayers, some were washing their feet in the sinks.

The solution seemed straightforward. After discussions with the Muslim Students’ Association, the university announced that it would install $25,000 foot-washing stations in several restrooms.

But after a Muslim student at Minneapolis Community and Technical College slipped and hurt herself last fall while washing her feet in a sink, word got out there that the college was considering installing a footbath, and a local columnist accused the college of a double standard — stopping a campus coffee cart from playing Christmas music but taking a different attitude toward Islam.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/education/07muslim.html?n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FOrganizations%2FU%2FUniversity%20of%20Michigan%20&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/education/07muslim.html?n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FOrganizations%2FU%2FUniversity%20of%20Michigan%20&_r=0)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on June 04, 2015, 09:03:50 AM
U.S. citizens have no rights anymore.  The liberals have turned the country over to foreigners.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on June 04, 2015, 11:49:26 AM
U.S. citizens have no rights anymore.  The liberals have turned the country over to foreigners.

Amen Brother
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on June 06, 2015, 12:34:00 PM

I never realized that Marcus Luttrell has a twin brother that was also a Navy Seal.   What a bad as5 family.

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ABC_rick_perry_marcus_morgan_luttrell_jt_150604_16x9_992.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 10, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
Awkward when a millionairess tries to play a commoner... 


(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/4_16495020150609100855.jpg)

(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/kn060915dAPR20150610024533.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 11, 2015, 09:37:59 AM
I'm thinking this is pretty close to the truth!

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2184301.1430366652!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/bramhall-world-hil-bill.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 15, 2015, 09:50:29 AM
Young people probably forget that is how we got involved in Viet Nam

Military "advisers"...


(http://assets.amuniversal.com/a148c2d0f2c30132eb1b005056a9545d)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 15, 2015, 02:14:05 PM
I keep thinking about how totally stupid Hillary is basing her yet another candidacy announcement on her gender and nothing on the iussues.  if she thinks she will win because she's an ugly old broad and a grandma, she's in for a rude wake up call plus Bernie is coming on strong.

She's so full of herself that IMO, even low information voters can see she's totally fake.

At least Sanders, the communist he is, deals with issues and takes a firm stand.  Hillary does nothing but flaunt herself like she's the 'anointed' one.  I don't see it happening unless she makes an abrupt course change and soon.

She's obviously assembled the worst group of advisors in any Presidential campaign.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 16, 2015, 09:13:23 PM
Here's an example of overkill on government regulations -   

If someone is living in a home illegally - how is it the utilities "fault"?
If anything the owner of record should be the responsible party after getting 3 notices.


LANSING, Mich. (AP) - The state wants utilities to discuss potential changes to the way they handle service shutoffs after the death of a Detroit-area man. The Michigan Public Service Commission said Monday companies should submit ways to better reach elderly residents who are most at risk during a shutoff in extreme weather. The body of 69-year-old John Skelley was discovered in February in a Hazel Park home where natural gas service had been shut off. He died of hypothermia and other causes. Consumers Energy says it sent three notices before cutting service, but Skelley wasn't the customer of record and the utility was unaware he lived there. Vanessa Waters, a spokeswoman for DTE Energy, tells the Detroit Free Press (http://on.freep.com/1J1gQqT (http://on.freep.com/1J1gQqT) ) the company welcomes the chance to "review, learn and share best practices."

Read more at: http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jun/16/state-wants-utilities-to-discuss-potential/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jun/16/state-wants-utilities-to-discuss-potential/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on June 16, 2015, 09:18:23 PM
Nothing makes sense anymore, especially to someone that grew up in the 40's and 50's.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 16, 2015, 10:09:04 PM
I'm thinking I need a Donald Trump bumper sticker....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 16, 2015, 10:12:07 PM
Nothing makes sense anymore, especially to someone that grew up in the 40's and 50's.

I don't get it.  3 things you absolutely need, heat water and light and no matter what, pay your damn bill.  It's part of being an adult.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on June 16, 2015, 10:47:05 PM
That's the thing Side. Not a lot of people worry about it.
 I remember once when I must have been 10 or 12 my dad was hurt and couldn't work for couple months..  We would go to farmers fields and pick up corn the picker missed. An extra few bucks for the household I guess
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 16, 2015, 11:00:58 PM
Well, I worry about it and so does CL,  Maybe thats why our credit scores are so high.  I don't believe in 'owing' and not paying, especially for necessary services.  Like the people in Detroit appealing to the UN or whatever it was about their water being shut off for non-payment.  Guess what, water costs money to pipe in.  When I read that I thought to myself, you gotta be kidding....

Put a bucket out in the rain and catch some idiot.  Quit buying dope and pay your water bill....  Quit driving a fancy ride and pay your bills.....  You don't need all that body jewelery...  pay your bills first.

Where did common sense and fiscal responsibility go?  Not that I don't know, like the government is fiscally responsible....... not.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 18, 2015, 12:45:37 PM
I was thinking after the news of the shootings in Charleston last night...  is the kid a racist or an Isis terrorist wannabe?    Same thing pretty much. 

 - and it didn't take long for the FBI to ID him so he was on someones list.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on June 19, 2015, 10:37:27 AM
Here is what I expect at this point:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHv9_UkWgAAURQm.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on June 19, 2015, 10:40:58 AM
he's a racists because obama says he is/  gotta keep fanning the fires for sharpton.  Holders been awful quiet. Can't wait for that racist bturd to rise again.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 26, 2015, 10:15:25 AM
Will be interesting to see how many marriages happen today... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on June 29, 2015, 10:26:08 PM

Hard to believe she's 50!  ;D

(http://todaysjoke.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Monica-L-turns-50.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 29, 2015, 10:33:07 PM
Compared to me, she's still a kid.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on June 29, 2015, 10:42:04 PM
If Hillary didn't want to be president she would have dumped Bill.  She needed him.  When this is all over he will be gone
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 02, 2015, 12:36:03 AM
I'm thinking of the deadlines that passed today -

Greece defaulted on the Euro

Iran missed the Nuclear treaty with the Worlds Powers
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 05, 2015, 12:41:33 PM
What he said...

"If you can't deport an illegal immigrant who has been deported five times and is guilty of seven felonies, then who exactly is deportable?"
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 05, 2015, 02:11:19 PM
I wonder just how many bureaucrats, and at what levels, that this slipped through the fingers of?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on July 05, 2015, 04:19:10 PM
We can be sure obama knew nothing about it
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 06, 2015, 08:14:59 AM
We can be sure obama knew nothing about it
She's not a criminal and she's white -   
why would he bother sending in his DOJ to investigate why illegals are protected over legal citizens?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 06, 2015, 10:02:47 AM
I'm thinking the Greeks told the EU  no...

and Iran will soon do the same to the negotiations - unless Obama completely caves in...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on July 06, 2015, 10:27:00 AM
obama is going to sign a deal with Iran and tell us it's a great deal.  He always tells the truth..
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on July 06, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
Maybe Obama won't cave - and his legacy on the Iran negotiations will be how tough he was?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 06, 2015, 02:14:12 PM
I'm thinking the Greeks told the EU  no...

and Iran will soon do the same to the negotiations - unless Obama completely caves in...

Iran took money from us on loan, or through foreign aid?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 06, 2015, 11:00:53 PM
Iran took money from us on loan, or through foreign aid?
No I'm talking about the nuclear negotiations - they don't want to agree to - but are dragging on for time - so they can develop their bomb.   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 07, 2015, 12:29:41 PM
We will not stop them, but perhaps their regional neighbors should since they are in range of their current delivery system constraints.

I understand your point, Prof......and share the same overall concern, but it's time for us to bow out of this regional conflict where you have no idea who the enemy is, which faction/s, which or what government, which or what oppressive party are we going to support against a particular party in ruling position. 

It goes on and on, and too cloudy IMO to even be there other than perhaps air and drone strikes.......no ground troops.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on July 08, 2015, 01:39:11 PM
I am surprised that the multiple Russian long-range bombers' flybys did not make bigger news. 

Russian Bombers Fly Near U.S. on July 4th

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/gty_tu_95_bear_tl_150706_16x9_992.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on July 08, 2015, 03:17:11 PM
The media didn't want to embarrass Obama
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 08, 2015, 09:40:09 PM
I'm thinking it was more than a coincidence that three businesses were hit with "glitches"... 

Hopefully we take the cyberwar more serious than terrorism...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 09, 2015, 06:34:43 PM
LOL.....I'm thinking the politics behind this has to be a funny story.

http://news.yahoo.com/faa-dump-navigation-points-named-donald-trump-221513149--politics.html (http://news.yahoo.com/faa-dump-navigation-points-named-donald-trump-221513149--politics.html)

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Aviation Administration is dumping Donald Trump.

The agency said Thursday it intends to rename three navigation points near Palm Beach International Airport in Florida that currently are named for the billionaire and Republican presidential candidate.

It's fairly common for the FAA to name such points, which are used by pilots and air traffic controllers, for local figures. Trump has a home in Palm Beach. In 2010, a local air traffic controller named the points DONLD, TRMMP and UFIRED. The last is a reference to the catchphrase "You're fired" from Trump's reality TV show "The Apprentice."

The FAA said in a statement that the agency generally chooses names that are non-controversial.

Trump has been under fire for recent statements accusing many immigrants of being drug dealers and rapists.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on July 09, 2015, 06:55:04 PM
Didn't Obama visit Michigan Assembly plant to tout the strength of the US Auto industry - and how well the bailout worked?

Even though Ford didn't get a bailout?

Now bye bye to the products they build.....

This will make the contract negotiations interesting!

Quote
Ford said Thursday it will move production of the Focus and C-Max small cars from its Michigan Assembly Plant in 2018, with UAW officials saying they were told the work will leave the U.S..

The company's decision sets a potentially combative tone just days before contract talks are scheduled to begin and runs counter to Ford's normal approach to negotiations, which is to emphasize its ability to cooperate with the union. The UAW formally opens negotiations with GM on Monday, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles on Tuesday and Ford the following week.

"It's very, very unusual," UAW Vice President Jimmy Settles told the Free Press, adding that workers were upset when they were briefed on the news on Thursday. "You never feel good about that kind of information. But I am very, very confident that there will be a replacement product that we will secure for the plant."

Industry analyst Dave Sullivan of AutoPacific called it a "a power move before negotiations start ... Before today, Ford didn't really have anything to negotiate on; the UAW had the upper hand. Now Ford has wiggle room to negotiate for jobs and products."

Ford spokeswoman Kristina Adamski declined to say where Ford plans to relocate the manufacturing, and said the site choice will be based on where the cars can be competitively produced.

Mexico seems a likely choice, with lower wage costs than Canada or the U.S, and even southern states. Ford has also invested in new plants in the country,lately.


http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/07/09/ford-focus-uaw-contract-mexico/29918345/ (http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/07/09/ford-focus-uaw-contract-mexico/29918345/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 09, 2015, 07:08:20 PM
I believe Hermosillo is set up for that platform.  Just not sure how much available capacity they have there.

From a management perspective.......good timing, and possibly a good negotiating chip.  Kudos.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on July 09, 2015, 07:27:52 PM
Didn't they just dual source the Fusion in Hermosillo and Flat Rock now?

Maybe with that move that opened up enough room for the Wayne production to move south.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 09, 2015, 07:48:34 PM
Good catch, yes it would.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 09, 2015, 11:34:12 PM
The US should hire the Chinese to recover the missing emails from Clinton and Lerner - they seem able to hack into just about anything lately.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on July 10, 2015, 07:36:18 AM
Maybe the Chinese could just publish them for us - as an act of friendship.

Of course I think they have invested heavily in the Clintons - so it isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 14, 2015, 08:16:58 AM

I'm thinking that if your religious beliefs stop you from doing your chosen profession/job... 
you need to think about changing one or the other... 

http://www.dailyindependent.com/news/rowan-clerk-still-not-issuing-licenses/article_752d0504-2999-11e5-bc73-3ba63f66b227.html (http://www.dailyindependent.com/news/rowan-clerk-still-not-issuing-licenses/article_752d0504-2999-11e5-bc73-3ba63f66b227.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on July 14, 2015, 10:31:29 PM
I hate my latest dishwasher.   I have been wondering why the cycle time is nearly 3 hours.

Why It’s the Government’s Fault Your Dishwasher Cycle Is 2 or 3 Hours Long

Exhibit B: Dishwashers with interminable cycle times. To save eight cents of hot water, federal mandates led to wash cycles taking much longer to complete. Two- and three-hour cycles, virtually unheard of 20 years ago, are commonplace today.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/12/why-its-the-governments-fault-your-dishwasher-cycle-is-2-or-3-hours-long (http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/12/why-its-the-governments-fault-your-dishwasher-cycle-is-2-or-3-hours-long)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on July 15, 2015, 07:02:59 AM
I hate my latest dishwasher.   I have been wondering why the cycle time is nearly 3 hours.

Why It’s the Government’s Fault Your Dishwasher Cycle Is 2 or 3 Hours Long

Exhibit B: Dishwashers with interminable cycle times. To save eight cents of hot water, federal mandates led to wash cycles taking much longer to complete. Two- and three-hour cycles, virtually unheard of 20 years ago, are commonplace today.

[url]http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/12/why-its-the-governments-fault-your-dishwasher-cycle-is-2-or-3-hours-long[/url] ([url]http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/12/why-its-the-governments-fault-your-dishwasher-cycle-is-2-or-3-hours-long[/url])


It is really no problem Excelsior.....

Well - unless you NEEDED the dishes that are in the dishwasher....

Then you are SOL.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 15, 2015, 10:44:43 PM
I'm wondering if Planned Parenthood will be called upon to stop selling fetuses that they only crush the brain and drag out to preserve the other vital organs?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on July 20, 2015, 08:51:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAqSz8_WoAEsARj.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on July 20, 2015, 09:26:22 PM
It is really no problem Excelsior.....

Well - unless you NEEDED the dishes that are in the dishwasher....

Then you are SOL.


It appears it is only going to get worse.   I will probably go to Canada for my next dishwasher.

Industry rails against Obama’s dishwasher rules

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/248385-industry-rails-against-obamas-dishwasher-rules (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/248385-industry-rails-against-obamas-dishwasher-rules)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 20, 2015, 09:32:26 PM
You might get a deal on one in Windsor.  I heard the Canadian economy is in the process if crapping the bed....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 21, 2015, 12:47:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAqSz8_WoAEsARj.jpg)

That's funny, but would have been more accurate of it to have said "I'm endorsing breathing provided it is regulated and government grows to support it!"
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on July 21, 2015, 01:38:12 PM
It appears it is only going to get worse.   I will probably go to Canada for my next dishwasher.

Industry rails against Obama’s dishwasher rules

[url]http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/248385-industry-rails-against-obamas-dishwasher-rules[/url] ([url]http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/248385-industry-rails-against-obamas-dishwasher-rules[/url])


Do we have to smuggle them back like we did our toilets and shower heads?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on July 21, 2015, 02:17:17 PM
Do we have to smuggle them back like we did our toilets and shower heads?

I went over to Canada and brought a toilet years ago when I remodeled the bathroom.  I told the U.S. Border guy that I went to over to purchase the toilet and it was in the back.  It was the fastest interview I have ever had.  One question and I was gone.   lol
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on July 22, 2015, 04:37:27 AM
I'm wondering if Planned Parenthood will be called upon to stop selling fetuses that they only crush the brain and drag out to preserve the other vital organs?
Hoaxers Fail to Nail Planned Parenthood in New Video

David Daleiden’s new undercover video shows a push to get a top doctor to alter how abortions are done—but she mocks the idea of turning a profit on fetal tissue.
It has only been one week since the last Planned Parenthood sting video was released but Center for Medical Progress founder David Daleiden is already back with a sequel. The first of many, apparently.

The first CMP video of a now year-old conversation among Daleiden, another CMP actor, and Planned Parenthood official Deborah Nucatola was edited to suggest that Planned Parenthood sells fetal body parts for profit, though the full footage revealed that Nucatola was actually discussing the legal practice of fetal-tissue donation and its associated processing costs.

This new video makes a similar claim. Allegedly filmed in February of this year, it shows CMP actors—including Daleiden—posing as a tissue-procurement company executive in a meeting with Mary Gatter, a Planned Parenthood medical director, at a restaurant. The video has been edited down to a roughly eight-minute runtime and full footage of the conversation had not been released as of 9:30 a.m. Tuesday.

More here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/21/planned-parenthood-official-jokes-about-buying-lamborghini-with-fetus-tissue-profits.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/21/planned-parenthood-official-jokes-about-buying-lamborghini-with-fetus-tissue-profits.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 22, 2015, 08:46:53 AM
...  since reporters aren't around anymore doing their jobs - it appears others have taken their place.

Actors, undercover people, reporters...   whatever you wish to call them - the telling issue is the responses they get from their questioning of the people selling dead baby parts!

Yeah like The Donald - we can't PC/ sugar coat what is going on - they are bartering for dead baby parts
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on July 22, 2015, 08:50:41 AM
Kind of makes you wonder if the Planned Parenthood organization is looking out for the female or more interested in selling baby parts huh.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on July 22, 2015, 08:10:18 PM
It is good to see Astronaut Lindgren made it to space without issues.
 
Russian rocket blasts off carrying 3 astronauts to Space Station

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/go-for-launch/os-russia-us-japan-crew-space-station-launch-20150722-post.html (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/go-for-launch/os-russia-us-japan-crew-space-station-launch-20150722-post.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 23, 2015, 03:52:41 PM
I'm curious when the FBI will be showing up in Monroe...   there was a suicide in the Jail - and apparently they investigate those now?

The incident remains under investigation by members of the sheriff’s detective bureau.
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jul/22/jail-inmate-found-hanging-cell-dies/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jul/22/jail-inmate-found-hanging-cell-dies/)


or is that another one of those "only if you are black" things...

The Texas Rangers, an investigative arm of the Texas Department of Public Safety, and the FBI are investigating. FBI spokeswoman Shauna Dunlap said the bureau is monitoring the investigation and once it's complete will review the evidence to determine if any federal laws were violated. The Waller County district attorney says the case is being examined as thoroughly as a murder investigation and will be turned over to a grand jury.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/07/23/q-a-a-look-at-the-death-of-sandra-bland-in-texas-jail (http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/07/23/q-a-a-look-at-the-death-of-sandra-bland-in-texas-jail)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 27, 2015, 08:11:52 AM
I see the FBI and media still haven't shown up to investigate the jail hanging here in Monroe...

but the media is trying to enter race into the suicide of a trouble young lady - who's own family left her in jail for 3 days!
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/history-of-racial-tension-where-bland-died/ (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/history-of-racial-tension-where-bland-died/)

Imagine leaving your family member in jail for 3 days! - and then claim how special or loved she was...     although I'm sure they will profit now from her death as they will get an attorney and extort a settlement from the local government. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on July 27, 2015, 12:23:50 PM
That happened in Texas...and she was from Illinois...so maybe that had something to do with with her 3 day stay.

Or maybe the bail was higher than her family could afford. (assuming she could even be bailed out since she wasn't from the area)

But leave it to the local grand dragon to point stuff out when it come to race.  8*

I see the FBI and media still haven't shown up to investigate the jail hanging here in Monroe...

but the media is trying to enter race into the suicide of a trouble young lady - who's own family left her in jail for 3 days!
[url]http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/history-of-racial-tension-where-bland-died/[/url] ([url]http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/history-of-racial-tension-where-bland-died/[/url])

Imagine leaving your family member in jail for 3 days! - and then claim how special or loved she was...     although I'm sure they will profit now from her death as they will get an attorney and extort a settlement from the local government.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 27, 2015, 03:25:31 PM
That happened in Texas...and she was from Illinois...so maybe that had something to do with with her 3 day stay.

Or maybe the bail was higher than her family could afford. (assuming she could even be bailed out since she wasn't from the area)

But leave it to the local grand dragon to point stuff out when it come to race.  8*


Wasn't aware that you can't get bail if you don't live in the community...
but from stories posted the bail was set at 5K - so she was eligible.

and as far as getting $500 for Bond if you can't afford the bail (usually 10%)...  out a family member - that's pretty sad if they couldn't scrape that up in a day... let alone 3.

and you'll note it wan't me - but CBS that is playing that race card - if you actually chose to read before spouting off on
http://dfw (http://dfw).cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/history-of-racial-tension-where-bland-died/


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on July 27, 2015, 04:00:04 PM
Wasn't aware that you can't get bail if you don't live in the community...
but from stories posted the bail was set at 5K - so she was eligible.

and as far as getting $500 for Bond if you can't afford the bail (usually 10%)...  out a family member - that's pretty sad if they couldn't scrape that up in a day... let alone 3.

and you'll note it wan't me - but CBS that is playing that race card - if you actually chose to read before spouting off on
[url]http://dfw[/url] ([url]http://dfw[/url]).cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/history-of-racial-tension-where-bland-died/
What's sad is your assumption that just because YOU can afford $500...that everybody else can as well.

I don't know the first thing about bailing anyone out since I've never had to experience the process.

There's a good chance her family never had to do that either.

Let's face it...that cop never should've taken that traffic stop that far.

Throwing someone in jail for changing lanes without signaling is beyond reason.

As for the race card...there are plenty of stories about the tragic incident...but you seemed most attracted to the one about race.

No matter...it's just one of those personal issues you seem to have but I have my own issues to contend with so I'll refrain from throwing those stones.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 28, 2015, 12:48:19 PM
But leave it to the local grand dragon to point stuff out when it come to race.  8*

I nearlypissed myself when I read that.

I had a vision of Prof driving to the meeting in a white Lincoln while dressed in full grand dragon garb.

You two are great debaters!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on July 28, 2015, 01:13:38 PM
That happened in Texas...and she was from Illinois...so maybe that had something to do with with her 3 day stay.

Or maybe the bail was higher than her family could afford. (assuming she could even be bailed out since she wasn't from the area)

But leave it to the local grand dragon to point stuff out when it come to race.  8*

Who knew that Prof H was a Democrat!

You learn something new everyday.

 8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 28, 2015, 09:53:06 PM
I nearlypissed myself when I read that.

I had a vision of Prof driving to the meeting in a white Lincoln while dressed in full grand dragon garb.

You two are great debaters!

There was a great debate at one time - white or black Lincoln...  decided to go with neither  ;)


I don't know the first thing about bailing anyone out since I've never had to experience the process.
I was really shocked that no one picked up on this... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on July 29, 2015, 08:48:40 AM
I was really shocked that no one picked up on this...

Yeah, notice he didn't mention anything about his FAMILY having experience in bailing someone out.  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 29, 2015, 08:38:55 PM
I keep him on ignore so my reads of his posts are very selective.  Taks up less screen space on my laptop.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on July 30, 2015, 04:15:22 PM
Yeah, notice he didn't mention anything about his FAMILY having experience in bailing someone out.  ;D
Actually, to my knowledge, nobody in my family has ever been asked to bail anyone out.

But your willingness to drag family into it is funny considering you, at age 47, married a 23 year old.

You were more than twice her age.

You're old enough to be her dad.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 31, 2015, 09:37:07 AM
Jealousy will get you nowhere... 

And you were the one who volunteered the criminal history of your own family -

I've bailed out friends before - back to the issue of bail - Did you know you can be jailed for trespassing?   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on July 31, 2015, 09:58:44 AM
I'm sorry Prof, I was just trying to refresh my memory on whether your Lincoln was a 4 door or 2 door and was just peeking in your shed.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on July 31, 2015, 10:42:16 AM
LOL   I heard rumors they were considering the suicide doors on the new Continentals
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 31, 2015, 10:53:50 AM
Actually, to my knowledge, nobody in my family has ever been asked to bail anyone out.

But your willingness to drag family into it is funny considering you, at age 47, married a 23 year old.

You were more than twice her age.

You're old enough to be her dad.


Quit whining.  I detect a bit of jealousy and a large amount of your condescending attitude.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on July 31, 2015, 04:36:49 PM
Jealousy will get you nowhere... 

And you were the one who volunteered the criminal history of your own family -

I've bailed out friends before - back to the issue of bail - Did you know you can be jailed for trespassing?
Are you suggesting that I trespassed or are you revealing that your personal experience?

Quit whining.  I detect a bit of jealousy and a large amount of your condescending attitude.
LOL...I'm not jealous of an old guy taking advantage of someone less than half his age.

The guy was 24 when she was born.

30 when she was 6

So I have you two as condoning daddy/daughter marriages.

Got it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 01, 2015, 12:52:57 AM
Are you suggesting that I trespassed or are you revealing that your personal experience?
For one scolding others so often your reading comprehension is a little on the slow side today it seems... 
I said a friend...  and yes therefore a personal experience...
 
You are welcome to visit anytime you wish -  I don't have any "no trespassing" signs posted.   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 01, 2015, 01:31:39 AM
For one scolding others so often your reading comprehension is a little on the slow side today it seems... 
I said a friend...  and yes therefore a personal experience...
 
You are welcome to visit anytime you wish -  I don't have any "no trespassing" signs posted.
Actually I felt clarification was the better route rather than making a wrong assumption since there appeared to be two separate sentences.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on August 01, 2015, 03:47:32 PM

It appears that I am not the only one that doesn't know difference is between a Socialist and a Democrat.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz Doesn't Know What a Socialist Is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VvNoAdtFdk#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 01, 2015, 07:02:49 PM
It appears that I am not the only one that doesn't know difference is between a Socialist and a Democrat.

Is there a difference?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monique on August 01, 2015, 07:34:59 PM
It appears that I am not the only one that doesn't know difference is between a Socialist and a Democrat.

OMG, when did she have an opportunity to answer?! That dickhead wouldn't let her utter a complete sentence!!

How ludicrous of him to keep repeating "in primetime??" Yes, of course Bernie Sanders should get to speak "in primetime"! He's a leading candidate that has the attention of millions on both sides of the political spectrum!!

How you guys can stand to watch that kind of "yelling heads" bull$hit is beyond me.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 01, 2015, 07:40:00 PM
I think only Fry actually watches MSNBC.....

I sure don't.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 01, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
I think only Fry actually watches MSNBC.....

I sure don't.
Which partially explains why you know nothing.

But I suspect genetics and your indoctrination played a role as well.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 02, 2015, 06:48:08 PM
Funny how the media is enthralled with Trump

is ignoring Hillary

and places more importance on a Lion than human life...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 04, 2015, 11:31:36 AM
Gee who didn't see this coming?

Curious how they will claim wrongful death with the cause of death being Suicide.

I'm sure they are just hoping they get an insurance buy out... so they can afford bail for the next family member that may need it  8*
==================================================
Family of woman found dead in Texas jail files wrongful death suit
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/04/us-usa-texas-death-idUSKCN0Q91JI20150804 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/04/us-usa-texas-death-idUSKCN0Q91JI20150804)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 04, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
I see Obama is now trying to fire up the economy by demanding a 35% reduction in emissions from the States or else.

What a visionary.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on August 04, 2015, 05:05:28 PM
He sure knows how to negotiate doesn't he.
some people call those type dictators!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 04, 2015, 08:25:49 PM
Gee who didn't see this coming?

Curious how they will claim wrongful death with the cause of death being Suicide.

I'm sure they are just hoping they get an insurance buy out... so they can afford bail for the next family member that may need it  8*
==================================================
Family of woman found dead in Texas jail files wrongful death suit
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/04/us-usa-texas-death-idUSKCN0Q91JI20150804[/url] ([url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/04/us-usa-texas-death-idUSKCN0Q91JI20150804[/url])
While it's clear that you think you've heard enough to decide the case...they deserve to have the facts heard by a real judge to decide whether or not the case has merit.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 04, 2015, 09:00:19 PM
While it's clear that you think you've heard enough to decide the case...they deserve to have the facts heard by a real judge to decide whether or not the case has merit.

I think the courts have plenty of work to do without having gold diggers clogging up the system...

their only viable case would be a civil one against the Original Officer - and you won't get much from that - so they are going after the deep pockets hoping for a profit from someone they wouldn't even bail out of jail for 3 days!   That should tell you how close they were...

but since Insurance companies rule on these types of cases more often than judges - I'm sure a cash settlement will be made.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 04, 2015, 09:15:21 PM
I think the courts have plenty of work to do without having gold diggers clogging up the system...

their only viable case would be a civil one against the Original Officer - and you won't get much from that - so they are going after the deep pockets hoping for a profit from someone they wouldn't even bail out of jail for 3 days!   That should tell you how close they were...

but since Insurance companies rule on these types of cases more often than judges - I'm sure a cash settlement will be made.
The truth is...it's their legal right to be heard.

And while you have the right to be opinionated...it's clear your opinions aren't based in fact but more a need to parrot a partisan viewpoint.

Your legal advice would hold more weight if your area of expertise was law...but we all know that it's not.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 04, 2015, 09:41:29 PM
The truth is...it's their legal right to be heard.

And while you have the right to be opinionated...it's clear your opinions aren't based in fact but more a need to parrot a partisan viewpoint.

Your legal advice would hold more weight if your area of expertise was law...but we all know that it's not.
Yep we've learned that anyone can sue anyone for anything...  and that is because insurance companies pay - not courts.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 04, 2015, 09:57:29 PM
Yep we've learned that anyone can sue anyone for anything...  and that is because insurance companies pay - not courts.
I doubt anyone can sue anyone for anything...and it's funny that you'd consider insurance companies to be victims...and as the recent case in Inkster has proved...false.

The mayor of a Michigan city that is raising taxes to pay a $1.4 million settlement in a police misconduct case admits the plan places an unfair burden on residents.

Inkster, Michigan, property owners will see the one-time tax increase on their July bill, the city said this week. For the owner of a home worth $55,000, it will amount to about an extra $180, according to the Detroit Free Press.

The funds collected from the summer millage are expected to fully cover the settlement in the civil suit brought by Floyd Dent, a Detroit auto worker who was hospitalized for three days in January because of injuries he sustained during an Inkster traffic stop.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/03/floyd-dent-settlement-inkster-taxes_n_7495452.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/03/floyd-dent-settlement-inkster-taxes_n_7495452.html)

Which makes me wonder...have you ever been correct on anything?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 05, 2015, 03:50:32 PM
I doubt anyone can sue anyone for anything...and it's funny that you'd consider insurance companies to be victims...and as the recent case in Inkster has proved...false.

The mayor of a Michigan city that is raising taxes to pay a $1.4 million settlement in a police misconduct case admits the plan places an unfair burden on residents.

Inkster, Michigan, property owners will see the one-time tax increase on their July bill, the city said this week. For the owner of a home worth $55,000, it will amount to about an extra $180, according to the Detroit Free Press.

The funds collected from the summer millage are expected to fully cover the settlement in the civil suit brought by Floyd Dent, a Detroit auto worker who was hospitalized for three days in January because of injuries he sustained during an Inkster traffic stop.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/03/floyd-dent-settlement-inkster-taxes_n_7495452.html[/url] ([url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/03/floyd-dent-settlement-inkster-taxes_n_7495452.html[/url])

Which makes me wonder...have you ever been correct on anything?

Gee makes one seem superior if you cherry picks from an article  eh? -
Never mind the choice of your "supporting" article... LOL   

Inkster - a poor broke city - they can't afford or probably don't qualify for Municipal League Insurance.   

continued financial problems and oversight from the state make it necessary to resort to levying a tax on residents to pay the $1.4 million

The city has previously collected one-time taxes to pay settlements in the last few years,

The forthcoming tax is one of many costs that have fallen to residents of Inkster as the city has made cuts to eliminate its deficit over the last three years. The school district was dissolved in 2013

Here is an example of cities that actually have insurance: 

and this same journal will give you an insight to who sues for what  ;)

Report: Connecticut City’s Insurer Paid $30K to Settle Ebola Fear Lawsuit
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2015/06/15/371787.htm (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2015/06/15/371787.htm)

Residents, South Dakota City Settle Suit Over Sewer Backups

“Although resolved, there was no determination of fault on the part of the city,” City Attorney Tom Brady said.

The city’s insurer will cover its legal costs and the settlement amount, according to Brady’s office.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2015/07/15/375164.htm (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2015/07/15/375164.htm)

Officials in a Tulsa, Okla., suburb and the estate of a mentally ill man have settled a federal lawsuit over his August 2002 fatal shooting by police, officials said.
Insurance coverage for the city of Owasso will cover the $300,000 settlement in the case of Todd Thomas Hastings, City Attorney Julie Lombardi said.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2008/06/20/91188.htm (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2008/06/20/91188.htm)

Most Cities have liability or property pool insurance limiting the effect of a lawsuit or accident - and you choose Inkster as your poster city  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 05, 2015, 10:47:34 PM
Politically speaking, the debate at 9pm tomorrow night will be very interesting.  I can't wait to see Trump get a piece of Scott Walker for running his gums over Trump.

What you have is all the establishment, machine politicians...and Trump.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 06, 2015, 08:13:10 AM
I'm thinking the debate will have the advisers for the politicians scratching their head -
... do we keep the PC crap and double talk ?
or do we actually say what we think!

... do we duck and dodge?
or do we tell the public things even if they don't like them!

Could be refreshing
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 06, 2015, 09:31:41 AM
I see the democrat version of the debates is lining up...   ;D

Their big 3 will be interviewed by Sharpton on his radio show... 

Al Sharpton promises to grill Hillary Clinton on race issues

Sharpton said over the next three weeks, he has plans to interview Clinton’s Democratic nomination rivals, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders on his radio show.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/al-sharpton-hillary-clinton-race-issues-121033.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/al-sharpton-hillary-clinton-race-issues-121033.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on August 06, 2015, 09:43:35 AM
I don't expect anything out of tonight's debate with a cast of 10 candidates.  Commercials will eat up half the time.  The moderators will take their share showing us how brilliant they are leaving about 2 min per candidate to talk about everything but answer the questions.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 06, 2015, 09:47:39 AM
I'm thinking the debate will have the advisers for the politicians scratching their head -
... do we keep the PC crap and double talk ?
or do we actually say what we think!

... do we duck and dodge?
or do we tell the public things even if they don't like them!

Could be refreshing

I think at the outset it will be PC, after all, the moderation will be ala establishment political machine ideals, but, I also think Trump will ultimately set the parameters as he unloads and hell with moderation......

Keep in mind that all the 'hopefuls' have a team of advisers to instruct them, much like Ovomits omin-present teleprompter.  Trump dispenses with that crap and says it, good or bad....  I like that.  Sure, he desparaged McCain over his war hero stuff, but in reality, John is one of the ineffective, machine politics, good ole boys in Washington, talking the talk but not even walking the walk, instead, crawling along on the citizens dime.

I really want to see him take Walker to task for his shittey comments.

I find it interesting that some of the hopefuls are mimicking Trump, like the cooking bacon on the barrel of an AR in Texas for effect.  You gotta upstage the radical departure of Trump...or you get left in Trump's dust....  I find it amusing that 'Professional' politicans are trying to upstage the amateur.  Obvious to me, the amateur is the contender, not the 'good old boys' that want to position of nominee.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 06, 2015, 09:51:20 AM
I don't expect anything out of tonight's debate with a cast of 10 candidates.  Commercials will eat up half the time.  The moderators will take their share showing us how brilliant they are leaving about 2 min per candidate to talk about everything but answer the questions.

Depends, maybe Trump bought all the commercial air time and there won't be any commercials...  Stranger things have happened before.

I guess we shall see and we can discuss it tomorrow.

Al sharpton examining the democratic candidates???  There is a real winner.  That idiot needs to examine his own brain, removed from his cranial cavity first................
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 06, 2015, 08:08:43 PM
Depends, maybe Trump bought all the commercial air time and there won't be any commercials...  Stranger things have happened before.

I guess we shall see and we can discuss it tomorrow.

Al sharpton examining the democratic candidates???  There is a real winner.  That idiot needs to examine his own brain, removed from his cranial cavity first................

I'm sure there will be lots of cut and paste to tell us what we should think.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 07, 2015, 03:57:34 AM
I wanted so bad to save this for the next time our "D" grammar checker jumps on anyone...   but then again thought -  hey we can repost this!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jn2FLs8GTaY/VcOsErTuJSI/AAAAAAAAO9c/pTAMSkN1Z_k/s640/Write%2Band%2BWrong%2B1.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on August 07, 2015, 03:30:24 PM

Carly Fiorina does a good job communicating her message.

Carly Fiorina tells Joe Scarborough how she would fix the economy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=130&v=KTNwKb7fmJg#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 23, 2015, 09:38:25 AM
I'm thinking this was pretty funny - and probably close to true...

The Coyote Principle
California :
The Governor of California is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A coyote jumps out and attacks the Governor's dog, then bites the Governor.
The Governor starts to intervene, but reflects upon the movie "Bambi" and then realizes he should stop because the coyote is only doing what is natural.
He calls animal control. Animal Control captures the coyote and bills the state $200 testing it for diseases and $500 for relocating it.
He calls a veterinarian. The vet collects the dead dog and bills the State $200 testing it for diseases.
The Governor goes to hospital and spends $3,500 getting checked for diseases from the coyote and on getting his bite wound bandaged.
The running trail gets shut down for 6 months while Fish & Game conducts a $100,000 survey to make sure the area is now free of dangerous animals.
The Governor spends $50,000 in state funds implementing a "coyote awareness program" for residents of the area.
The State Legislature spends $2 million to study how to better treat rabies and how to permanently eradicate the disease throughout the world.
The Governor's security agent is fired for not stopping the attack. The state spends $150,000 to hire and train a new agent with additional special training for the nature of coyotes.
PETA protests the coyote's relocation and files a $5 million suit against the state.
TEXAS
The Governor of Texas is jogging with his dog along a nature trail. A coyote jumps out and attacks his dog.
The Governor shoots the coyote with his state-issued pistol and keeps jogging. The Governor has spent $.50 on a .45 ACP hollow point cartridge.
The buzzards eat the dead coyote.
And that, my friends, is why California is broke and Texas is not.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 23, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Good Editorial - though I don't agree with him that Term limits have hurt the Legislative "Quality."

Quote
I've had enough, have you?

For years I've been listening to folks carp about the quality of Michigan's Legislature, bemoaning the inexperience and incompetence of its members. I've written a dozen times about the damage term limits have done to the quality of lawmaking in this state.

A lot of heads nod in agreement, but nothing ever changes. What happened in Lansing last week ought to be the impetus for action.

One more time, lawmakers convened with the specific purpose of finding a solution to fixing Michigan's miserable roads. They've been at this for two years and once again cowardice, opportunism and weak leadership fueled a failure.

Most infuriating is that they packed up and went home for another three weeks of vacation, after having been off all summer while the roads crisis festered.

If they're going to treat their jobs as part-time positions, we should make them just that. Our mission as ticked-off citizens should be to get a proposal on the 2016 ballot that would move Michigan to a part-time Legislature.

Cut their nearly $80,000 a year pay by 60 percent.

Eliminate their benefits.

Make this a true citizens Legislature, something term limits were supposed to do but didn't.

Forty other states have part-time legislatures, including some that are bigger than Michigan, including Texas and North Carolina.

Abbreviated sessions would focus lawmakers on essential business, and hopefully put an end to pet peeve bills, ideologically driven crusades and showboat legislation whose only intent is getting the sponsor a spotlight.

All the negatives of a part-time legislature, including that lobbyists and professional staff would increase in influence and the governor would become more powerful, have already played out in Lansing because of term limits.

Legislative leaders are too green and short-lived to wield the authority once earned through years of battle. Individual members aren't around long enough to become fully versed on issues, so they are reliant on lobbyists and their staffs for the expertise they lack.

There's little downside to making lawmakers part-time. So how do we get there?

Petition drives are expensive, and though the Constitution intends them to be citizen-driven, the cost is prohibitive without the backing of well-oiled interests.

My idea is to get the attention of groups with the resources to fund a ballot proposal by demonstrating public support.

So I've started an online petition campaign calling for a part-time legislature in Michigan.

It holds no official weight, but may get the process started if enough people sign.

If you agree, please join me in signing the petition at detroitnews.com/legislature.


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2015/08/21/finley-make-legislature-part-time/32124023/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2015/08/21/finley-make-legislature-part-time/32124023/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 23, 2015, 06:00:07 PM
(http://quotes.lifehack.org/media/quotes/quote-Carl-Jung-every-form-of-addiction-is-bad-no-2168.png)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 27, 2015, 09:23:07 AM
Its a shame that a mental health issue caused more deaths... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on August 27, 2015, 06:29:44 PM
Jindal Writes Letter To Obama Telling Him Not To Talk About Climate During Katrina Anniversary Visit

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/27/3695968/jindal-katrina-climate-change/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/27/3695968/jindal-katrina-climate-change/)

Yeah, you are just the President of the United States so shut up.  You can only say what republicans want, not anything else.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on August 27, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
Jindal Writes Letter To Obama Telling Him Not To Talk About Climate During Katrina Anniversary Visit

[url]http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/27/3695968/jindal-katrina-climate-change/[/url] ([url]http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/27/3695968/jindal-katrina-climate-change/[/url])

Yeah, you are just the President of the United States so shut up.  You can only say what republicans want, not anything else.
Poor Barack; he has to kowtow to all them nasty republicans. He's really good at it, too. See me on topic, Duck?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 27, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
So what should you do when you know of a person that is exhibiting really erratic mental behavior?

Accusing people of all kinds of outlandish things, claiming things about other people, ranting, making crazy claims?

Shouldn't you report that kind of behavior to some authority?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on August 28, 2015, 09:52:51 AM
So what should you do when you know of a person that is exhibiting really erratic mental behavior?

Accusing people of all kinds of outlandish things, claiming things about other people, ranting, making crazy claims?

Shouldn't you report that kind of behavior to some authority?

Sounds logical to me.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 28, 2015, 11:12:24 PM
....."Shouldn't you report that kind of behavior to some authority?".....

Naw, tie them to some railroad track so they can contemplate their impending doom for a while.  That way, they can think about their miserable life before being squished.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 28, 2015, 11:23:27 PM
until some Dudley do right comes along to the rescue...

(http://sausedo.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doright.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: lilly on August 29, 2015, 06:58:07 AM
Naw, tie them to some railroad track so they can contemplate their impending doom for a while.  That way, they can think about their miserable life before being squished.
Shouldn't you report people who talk like this to authorities? Especially ones that brag about how many guns they have and how good they are with them? Before they hurt themselves or others?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 29, 2015, 10:00:52 AM
You sound like your buddy Fry when he sicked the BATFE on LW for nothing except one of his fantasy moments some years back....

get a life for christsakes........

Maybe you should report yourself to the 'mental authorities' for acting like a paranoid idiot.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: lilly on August 29, 2015, 12:20:54 PM
You sound like your buddy Fry when he sicked the BATFE on LW for nothing except one of his fantasy moments some years back....

get a life for christsakes........

Maybe you should report yourself to the 'mental authorities' for acting like a paranoid idiot.
So do you fantasize about tying people to train tracks often? Are there other brutal violent acts that you often fantasize about?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on August 29, 2015, 12:27:07 PM
I've had fantasies bout tying Kim Kardashian's hands to chopped motorcycle handle bars.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 29, 2015, 03:59:04 PM
So do you fantasize about tying people to train tracks often? Are there other brutal violent acts that you often fantasize about?

I'd be happy to smash your didgits with a ball pein hammer if you want to experience pain.....

The big plus is you won't be able to post for a very long time.....

I can do them one at a time starting with your pinkie on your right hand if you are right handed....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 29, 2015, 08:21:59 PM
I'd be happy to smash your didgits with a ball pein hammer if you want to experience pain.....

The big plus is you won't be able to post for a very long time.....

I can do them one at a time starting with your pinkie on your right hand if you are right handed....

He could get one of those voice - to type systems.

It wouldn't stop him.

Heck - he would post more.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 09:21:28 AM
Desperation is sinking in as she tries to rile up her supporters...

Hillary thinks Republicans want to chop off heads and put their women in as sex slaves

(she forgets it's democrats that think chopping up babies to sell for parts is okay for women's health centers )

http://jacksonville.com/2015-08-27/story/hillary-rodham-clinton-says-republicans-terrorists-share-same-views-women (http://jacksonville.com/2015-08-27/story/hillary-rodham-clinton-says-republicans-terrorists-share-same-views-women)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:58:54 AM
I'd be happy to smash your didgits with a ball pein hammer if you want to experience pain.....

The big plus is you won't be able to post for a very long time.....

I can do them one at a time starting with your pinkie on your right hand if you are right handed....
More thinly veiled threats of violence.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
You sound like your buddy Fry when he sicked the BATFE on LW for nothing except one of his fantasy moments some years back....

get a life for christsakes........

Maybe you should report yourself to the 'mental authorities' for acting like a paranoid idiot.
If true, I'd love to take credit for it but sadly I cannot.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: lilly on August 30, 2015, 01:39:57 PM
I'd be happy to smash your didgits with a ball pein hammer if you want to experience pain.....

The big plus is you won't be able to post for a very long time.....

I can do them one at a time starting with your pinkie on your right hand if you are right handed....
It's a troubled soul that resorts to violence.

More thinly veiled threats of violence.
Not veiled at all.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on August 30, 2015, 08:22:13 PM
You sound like your buddy Fry when he sicked the BATFE on LW for nothing except one of his fantasy moments some years back....

get a life for christsakes........

Maybe you should report yourself to the 'mental authorities' for acting like a paranoid idiot.

Actually, no, he didn't report me to the BATFE or anyone else. There's nothing he could have reported about me.
He reported a fictitious threat to the president, that he THOUGHT was made by another MT poster. He included me as one of the "friends" of this poster, which brought about a visit by a Secret Service agent, asking questions. The agent realized his time was being wasted by Fry, but it was his job to check out each and every report of a possible threat.

Our tax dollars at work.  8*

If true, I'd love to take credit for it but sadly I cannot.

Not that specifically, no. But what I said is the truth. And you know it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on August 30, 2015, 08:27:25 PM
Actually, no, he didn't report me to the BATFE or anyone else. There's nothing he could have reported about me.
He reported a fictitious threat to the president, that he THOUGHT was made by another MT poster. He included me as one of the "friends" of this poster, which brought about a visit by a Secret Service agent, asking questions. The agent realized his time was being wasted by Fry, but it was his job to check out each and every report of a possible threat.

You would think that charges would be made for totally, knowingly, wasting the Secret Services time.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on August 30, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
You would think that charges would be made for totally, knowingly, wasting the Secret Services time.

I talked at length with the agent about that very subject.

It's their job to check out each and every whack job nut case that calls them.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 30, 2015, 09:54:53 PM
I have 3 different weights of ball pein hammers.  A little one, maybe 5 ounces, a medium one, about a pound and a big one, about 4 pounds for you to choose from.  All capable of obliterating your digits with no discomfort to me...at all.

Be sure to wear a diaper so when you pizz your pants, you don't get the floor wet............

...and you will pizz your pants and probably shitte yourself as well. ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 30, 2015, 09:57:09 PM
He could get one of those voice - to type systems.

It wouldn't stop him.

Heck - he would post more.

It, not he.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 30, 2015, 09:58:34 PM
Actually, no, he didn't report me to the BATFE or anyone else. There's nothing he could have reported about me.
He reported a fictitious threat to the president, that he THOUGHT was made by another MT poster. He included me as one of the "friends" of this poster, which brought about a visit by a Secret Service agent, asking questions. The agent realized his time was being wasted by Fry, but it was his job to check out each and every report of a possible threat.

Our tax dollars at work.  8*

Not that specifically, no. But what I said is the truth. And you know it.

I remembered that, was a few years ago and I didn't remember the details other than the poster it involved...and you.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:55:28 PM
Actually, no, he didn't report me to the BATFE or anyone else. There's nothing he could have reported about me.
He reported a fictitious threat to the president, that he THOUGHT was made by another MT poster. He included me as one of the "friends" of this poster, which brought about a visit by a Secret Service agent, asking questions. The agent realized his time was being wasted by Fry, but it was his job to check out each and every report of a possible threat.

Our tax dollars at work.  8*

Not that specifically, no. But what I said is the truth. And you know it.
I know logic is foreign to you but the fact that nobody questioned me says you're not telling the truth.

You have no integrity.

Remember when you created your current identity to encourage your other identity to run for political office?

And to act as a cheerleader for your right-wing extremist views?

And to pile on with your bullying?

Well I remember.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:57:35 PM
I have 3 different weights of ball pein hammers.  A little one, maybe 5 ounces, a medium one, about a pound and a big one, about 4 pounds for you to choose from.  All capable of obliterating your digits with no discomfort to me...at all.

Be sure to wear a diaper so when you pizz your pants, you don't get the floor wet............

...and you will pizz your pants and probably shitte yourself as well. ;D
Yep, you're one sick bastard...but then that may be why Monroe Native touted your involvement in the community.  8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 12:42:16 AM
Yep, you're one sick bastard...but then that may be why Monroe Native touted your involvement in the community.  8*
Yep, when he isn't outing the mental health and violence his buddy republican has, he shows a seriously demented mind.  I can see why he lives in terror of any regulation limiting guns because of violent mental instability.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 12:43:55 AM
But I sure never heard the LIAR had a visit from secret service....

With the way he nearly goes postal with every post, I can't guess why.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on August 31, 2015, 01:13:21 AM
I'm thinking about that conversation LW and SCF must have had concerning me.

Too bad flip fell for the lies...but then one has to awfully gullible to associate with extremist right-wing fools.

Just imagine if LW actually did receive a visit...he'd make beeline to the forum and point his finger my way.

But that didn't happen. He merely conspired behind the scenes with his like-minded lunatic fake pals.

And when that fake pal opened his mouth and conveyed what he was told...I set him straight and then LW had to finally defend his lie...with yet another lie.

But it figures....after all he is that kind of guy...the kind that lies.

LW has quite a history of that.

Complete lack of integrity.

As for his mental state...I'd say his posts...and the fact that he created his very own cheerleading section speaks volumes.

Maybe it's because his education has been limited to a GED...or maybe it's because of the difficulty having an everyday conversation with a wife that's younger than a daughter.

Or perhaps it's the nature of the gun business...dealing with anti-government right-wing nuts day in , day out.

I'm not sure of the root cause of LW's issues...but one thing is for sure...he does have issues.

And in my opinion...he's the poster boy for someone that should NOT be allowed around firearms.

I'd put SCF in that category as well.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on August 31, 2015, 10:05:21 AM
I'm thinking that some people are too wrapped up into what others do or say... 

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on August 31, 2015, 01:07:30 PM
I know logic is foreign to you but the fact that nobody questioned me says you're not telling the truth.

You have no integrity.

Remember when you created your current identity to encourage your other identity to run for political office?

And to act as a cheerleader for your right-wing extremist views?

And to pile on with your bullying?

Well I remember.

Can you speak clearly while you're talking out of yourass?  Just curious.

Anyways, I really don't care who believes me.  It's the truth.

No one was harmed by it, because your accusations were false.

The fact that you refuse to admit that you reported the other poster as a threat to the president speaks volumes about your personal integrity, however.

You're a lying piece ofshit.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on August 31, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
But I sure never heard the LIAR had a visit from secret service....

With the way he nearly goes postal with every post, I can't guess why.

I posted it here several times, to refute the lies that Frenchfry had said about me.

And the visit was NOT about me, you dimwit.  It was an investigation about someone ELSE, that Fry had reported.  Try and keep up, will ya?  I know it's difficult, but I have confidence you can do it!!!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
I posted it here several times, to refute the lies that Frenchfry had said about me.

And the visit was NOT about me, you dimwit.  It was an investigation about someone ELSE, that Fry had reported.  Try and keep up, will ya?  I know it's difficult, but I have confidence you can do it!!!

Riiigggtttt, it had nothing to do with you... nosssinngggg!

I guess that is why everyone else got a secret service talk and not just you.. I mean, we all talked to everyone so... Oh, it wasn't anyone else tough?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 10:29:21 PM
Supreme Court Denies Kentucky Clerk’s Request To Halt Same-Sex Marriage Order

The Rowan County clerk, Kim Davis, argues that she should be exempted from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples because she has a religious objection.

On Tuesday morning, there will be no question — at least as to the three same-sex couples who sued Davis — that Davis is under a federal court’s order to stop her “no marriage licenses” policy.

If Davis does not comply, a party could ask Bunning to hold her in contempt of court.

In a statement, the Human Rights Campaign’s senior vice president for policy and political affairs, JoDee Winterhof, said, “Ms. Davis’ choices are clear: she must either choose to follow the law or resign her public position.”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/supreme-court-denies-kentucky-clerks-request-to-halt-same-se#.wyd8Zwjrlj (http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/supreme-court-denies-kentucky-clerks-request-to-halt-same-se#.wyd8Zwjrlj)

I am guessing by the wording that she intends to be in contempt of court.  Wording all along has pushed her as being a martyr and such.

Oh, and she herself has been remarried 4 times (or married 4 times) which should be against her religious beliefs too.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 31, 2015, 11:01:44 PM
I'm thinking about that conversation LW and SCF must have had concerning me.

Too bad flip fell for the lies...but then one has to awfully gullible to associate with extremist right-wing fools.

Just imagine if LW actually did receive a visit...he'd make beeline to the forum and point his finger my way.

But that didn't happen. He merely conspired behind the scenes with his like-minded lunatic fake pals.

And when that fake pal opened his mouth and conveyed what he was told...I set him straight and then LW had to finally defend his lie...with yet another lie.

But it figures....after all he is that kind of guy...the kind that lies.

LW has quite a history of that.

Complete lack of integrity.

As for his mental state...I'd say his posts...and the fact that he created his very own cheerleading section speaks volumes.

Maybe it's because his education has been limited to a GED...or maybe it's because of the difficulty having an everyday conversation with a wife that's younger than a daughter.

Or perhaps it's the nature of the gun business...dealing with anti-government right-wing nuts day in , day out.

I'm not sure of the root cause of LW's issues...but one thing is for sure...he does have issues.

And in my opinion...he's the poster boy for someone that should NOT be allowed around firearms.

I'd put SCF in that category as well.

You are already in the category and not by choice.  Wanna discuss that?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 31, 2015, 11:04:52 PM
I know logic is foreign to you but the fact that nobody questioned me says you're not telling the truth.

You have no integrity.

Remember when you created your current identity to encourage your other identity to run for political office?

And to act as a cheerleader for your right-wing extremist views?

And to pile on with your bullying?

Well I remember.

Glad you have a good memory.  Care to expound on why you acted like a peeping tom, sneaking around at a MT get together some years back......  They say a Leopard never looses his spots...  You fit right into that mold.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 01, 2015, 09:20:01 AM
Looks like a Kentucky clerk needs to be removed from office for failing to perform duties as prescribed by law... 

If your faith is more important than you job - then get a different job...


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/same-sex-marriage-kentucky-kim-davis.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/same-sex-marriage-kentucky-kim-davis.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on September 01, 2015, 12:05:49 PM
Riiigggtttt, it had nothing to do with you... nosssinngggg!

I guess that is why everyone else got a secret service talk and not just you.. I mean, we all talked to everyone so... Oh, it wasn't anyone else tough?

Dude, you need help.

I talk with Federal Agents all the time.  Not only Secret Service, but Border Patrol, FBI, BATF, even CIA occasionally. 

What about it?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 01:08:15 PM
Dude, you need help.

I talk with Federal Agents all the time.  Not only Secret Service, but Border Patrol, FBI, BATF, even CIA occasionally. 

What about it?

Well then why are you assaulting and accusing FF of something you do all the time?

Oh, because that is you.  Find any reason you make up to insult people because you are a super extreme partisan bully that can't think.

CAn you use a tiny portion of brain cells to see you and your buddy flipper flopper have been picking on ff and now you say that nothing happened because you talk to them all the time.

Wait, then why are you claiming it was different and ff sicced them on you.  If you are questioned all the time, you wouldn't even know it was different.

Anything for you to be a filthy insulting pig.  Maybe it is what has kept you from going postal so far.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 03:39:52 PM
Monday evening, the Supreme Court handed down an order that effectively cut off an anti-gay Kentucky county clerk’s last line of legal resistance to marriage equality. Though she has an appeal pending before a lower federal court, that appeal will not be resolved for weeks or even months.
Yet, despite the fact that Davis is under a federal court order requiring her to comply with her legal and constitutional obligations to issue marriage licenses, Davis turned aside a same-sex couple Tuesday morning. In an angry confrontation that was videotaped by multiple news outlets, Davis told David Moore and David Ermold, a couple that has now been turned away four times, to leave her office.
When the couple refused to leave “until we have a license,” Davis told them that they are “going to have a long day.” She also told the couple that she was acting “under God’s authority.”
Now that Davis has refused to comply a court order even in the face of the Supreme Court’s recent decision, it is likely that she will be held in contempt of court by the federal judge that originally ordered her to follow the Constitution. Judge David Bunning may subject her to fines until she obeys his order or he can order her to be jailed.
Davis says that she will not resign from her job, which is an elected position. She can be impeached by the state legislature, although it is unlikely that there would be enough votes to remove her. The Kentucky state Senate President, Roberts Stivers (R), spoke at a rally supporting her.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/01/3697354/breaking-anti-gay-kentucky-clerk-refuses-to-allow-couple-to-marry-despite-supreme-court-order/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/01/3697354/breaking-anti-gay-kentucky-clerk-refuses-to-allow-couple-to-marry-despite-supreme-court-order/)

But, yeah, the republicans that complain about government and waste have no problem with her refusing to do her job.  Oh, and don’t ya love that the ones yelling “constitution” refuse to follow it?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 01, 2015, 04:06:31 PM
You crack me up Duck.

You get on Livewire for telling the truth about what Frenchfry did - and how the Secret Service Investigated because of it.  Apparently you shouldn't tell people what others on this board have ACTUALLY done.

On the other hand.....

You love to rant and rave about a hypothetical situation - which was STATED as a hypothetical situation - and didn't hurt ANYONE - and NEVER involved LAW ENFORCEMENT let alone the SECRET SERVICE - and the ADMIN even blew it off as NOTHING - and apparently you think it is fine to bring that up over and over and over again - making accusations about it as if I intended to have Teachers molest someones students - as if their teachers would willingly and happily immediately do so - just on my say so.

I can only come to one conclusion.

Duck, you are a complete Hypocrite.

You are a complete and utter hypocrite.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on September 01, 2015, 04:14:21 PM
Monday evening, the Supreme Court handed down an order that effectively cut off an anti-gay Kentucky county clerk’s last line of legal resistance to marriage equality. Though she has an appeal pending before a lower federal court, that appeal will not be resolved for weeks or even months.
Yet, despite the fact that Davis is under a federal court order requiring her to comply with her legal and constitutional obligations to issue marriage licenses, Davis turned aside a same-sex couple Tuesday morning. In an angry confrontation that was videotaped by multiple news outlets, Davis told David Moore and David Ermold, a couple that has now been turned away four times, to leave her office.
When the couple refused to leave “until we have a license,” Davis told them that they are “going to have a long day.” She also told the couple that she was acting “under God’s authority.”
Now that Davis has refused to comply a court order even in the face of the Supreme Court’s recent decision, it is likely that she will be held in contempt of court by the federal judge that originally ordered her to follow the Constitution. Judge David Bunning may subject her to fines until she obeys his order or he can order her to be jailed.
Davis says that she will not resign from her job, which is an elected position. She can be impeached by the state legislature, although it is unlikely that there would be enough votes to remove her. The Kentucky state Senate President, Roberts Stivers (R), spoke at a rally supporting her.
[url]http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/01/3697354/breaking-anti-gay-kentucky-clerk-refuses-to-allow-couple-to-marry-despite-supreme-court-order/[/url] ([url]http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/01/3697354/breaking-anti-gay-kentucky-clerk-refuses-to-allow-couple-to-marry-despite-supreme-court-order/[/url])

But, yeah, the republicans that complain about government and waste have no problem with her refusing to do her job.  Oh, and don’t ya love that the ones yelling “constitution” refuse to follow it?

Guess you skipped right over not a professor's comment #463, huh?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 01, 2015, 04:20:37 PM
Looks like a Kentucky clerk needs to be removed from office for failing to perform duties as prescribed by law... 

If your faith is more important than you job - then get a different job...

I totally agree.

It is not like she is performing a religious rite.

She is issuing a permit for a contract - and she was elected to do so.

It isn't up to her who she serves and who she doesn't serve.

If she wants to do that she needs to shoot higher than county clerk.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on September 01, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
I totally agree.

It is not like she is performing a religious rite.

She is issuing a permit for a contract - and she was elected to do so.

It isn't up to her who she serves and who she doesn't serve.

If she wants to do that she needs to shoot higher than county clerk.
Aaannnd, another of those nasty republicans agrees with not a professor. Looks like Duck lost a bit of leverage.Won't stop him from recycling his old worn-out phrases, though. The hate is palpable.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 01, 2015, 04:28:15 PM
Guess you skipped right over not a professor's comment #463, huh?

LOL   I was typing the same thing

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 01, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
Anything for you to be a filthy insulting pig.  Maybe it is what has kept you from going postal so far.


(http://content.randomenthusiasm.com/y5QLwcdYB.jpeg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 06:08:46 PM
You crack me up Duck.

You get on Livewire for telling the truth about what Frenchfry did

Wait, hold the phones.... your republican buddies made claims that are not necessarily factual.  they just accused. They didn't say a damn thing about you being there listening to ff make a call to secret service so YOU KNOW.

But, that is what you do... You don't talk civil on topic, just rant lies that you make up that others think.

Quote
- and how the Secret Service Investigated because of it.  Apparently you shouldn't tell people what others on this board have ACTUALLY done.

Ahhh, so you accuse me of repeating what they said.  flipper and liar both said the secret service investigated the liar.  The liar just said he wasn't the suspect, but knew/knows the suspect.  That is what they said, not me.... Oh, but you can't handle reality...

I shouldn't tell others that ... what.. you and they claim ff turned them in for who knows what?  Where is YOUR PROOF 24/7?  In saying I am wrong you say that you factually know exactly what happened separate from their probably baseless accusations.

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On the other hand.....

You love to rant and rave about a hypothetical situation - which was STATED as a hypothetical situation - and didn't hurt ANYONE - and NEVER involved LAW ENFORCEMENT let alone the SECRET SERVICE - and the ADMIN even blew it off as NOTHING - and apparently you think it is fine to bring that up over and over and over again - making accusations about it as if I intended to have Teachers molest someones students - as if their teachers would willingly and happily immediately do so - just on my say so.


Wow, I have no clue what that bunch of stupid was supposed to be but it sure looks like vomit.  Ohhhh, yep, you are right, it is sad that you were not banned for that disgusting filth.  I can't understand why the admin let you go on it.  That isn't my problem though 24/7.  My problem with what you said is that you were so sick in the head to not only say it but think it.  Oh, but you claim it was all innocent and hypothetical... yeah, sure.  Why is it that you have such a sick mind you would even think to say something so disgusting as that to another poster?

And more important, WTF does that have to do with the liar accusing ff of something he has no clue.

What does that have to do with the liar saying he was checked by secret service accusing FF and making a big deal of it, then telling me it is no big deal because he talks to secret service all the time.  Which is it?

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I can only come to one conclusion.

Duck, you are a complete Hypocrite.

You are a complete and utter hypocrite.

Ohh, you are such a funny little troll…


Let’s see, now how did this all go?

Flipper flopper starts insulting FF saying he turned in the liar to the secret service. 

The liar corrects flipper flopper saying someone else was turned in and they talked to him because he knows the one turned in.


See the common denominator there?   Monroe talks per chance? 

Actually, there is no evidence of that I am sure.  Just a couple here speculate that they were turned in from someone here.  That does not mean it was ff.  It doesn’t even mean it was someone that posts.  It is often we have a lot of readers.

But, anyway, so they make the connection to talks.  Now, I ask why HE was visited too out of all the people here.  Why not you, or flip, or even me, why him?

After I ask that, he says it was not him, that he gets talked to all the time, I assume from his job.  So, if that is the case, why are they both accusing FF if he didn’t do what they accuse? 

Now, you play that it is my fault that they are changing their story.  Why not, you make up what people think or say all the time.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 06:11:03 PM
Guess you skipped right over not a professor's comment #463, huh?

Hmmm really, don't republicans complain about big government and waste all the time here?

Sometimes the not a professor steps away from his purposeful trolling.  He used to be a reasonable moderate republican that was not super partisan all the time.  That changed.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 06:12:53 PM
I totally agree.

It is not like she is performing a religious rite.

She is issuing a permit for a contract - and she was elected to do so.

It isn't up to her who she serves and who she doesn't serve.

If she wants to do that she needs to shoot higher than county clerk.

Wait, aren't you the republican here that was saying to get rid of marriage altogether because you hate gay marriage so much?

But, it certainly is nice to see you thinking reasonably for a change. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on September 01, 2015, 06:24:47 PM
Hmmm really, don't republicans complain about big government and waste all the time here?

Sometimes the not a professor steps away from his purposeful trolling.  He used to be a reasonable moderate republican that was not super partisan all the time.  That changed.
You used to be the most reasonable person on this forum, which is why I admired you so much. That changed. Now you're like a rabid dog, with no moderation at all. You seem so filled with hate for anyone who disagrees with you. What caused you to change? Please don't blame it on anyone on MT. It has to be more than that.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 06:46:35 PM
You used to be the most reasonable person on this forum, which is why I admired you so much. That changed. Now you're like a rabid dog, with no moderation at all. You seem so filled with hate for anyone who disagrees with you. What caused you to change? Please don't blame it on anyone on MT. It has to be more than that.

If you know.I posted different, why is it you don't see how rapid the right became and stayed.   Seriously, you think livewire is anywhere even near the same planet at civility and rational?  You think having half a dozen not talking but always insulting... including you, is my fault?  Oh  Wait, you didn't say that, you and they always civilly talk on topic and never insult anyone. 

There also was a time that those you apparently see nothing wrong with were not near as bad as now.  I could call everyone here on any side a friend.  Even with disagreements there only ever was the occasional personal... well, except the same bunch to ff.  They were personal with him before I even started reading.  The difference is, the same that were personally insulting to ff spread it to anyone not extremist republican.

So, I guess the answer you don't want is I just joined how insulting you buddies were LONG before.

My life is great.  I have my buddy.  I get to watch my 1 1/2 year old most days.  My daughter is teacher that is one of the good ones;her waiting list of parents wanting their kids in her class has grown.

I have been painting portraits of kids and grandkids for Christmas and am happy.  But, that won't fit your accusation that it is me and not that you are blind to your republican pals.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 01, 2015, 08:35:20 PM
There also was a time that those you apparently see nothing wrong with were not near as bad as now.  I could call everyone here on any side a friend. 

I'm fine with being friends.

I'm down with that!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on September 01, 2015, 09:12:15 PM
If you know.I posted different, why is it you don't see how rapid the right became and stayed.   Seriously, you think livewire is anywhere even near the same planet at civility and rational?  You think having half a dozen not talking but always insulting... including you, is my fault?  Oh  Wait, you didn't say that, you and they always civilly talk on topic and never insult anyone. 

There also was a time that those you apparently see nothing wrong with were not near as bad as now.  I could call everyone here on any side a friend.  Even with disagreements there only ever was the occasional personal... well, except the same bunch to ff.  They were personal with him before I even started reading.  The difference is, the same that were personally insulting to ff spread it to anyone not extremist republican.

So, I guess the answer you don't want is I just joined how insulting you buddies were LONG before.

My life is great.  I have my buddy.  I get to watch my 1 1/2 year old most days.  My daughter is teacher that is one of the good ones;her waiting list of parents wanting their kids in her class has grown.

I have been painting portraits of kids and grandkids for Christmas and am happy.  But, that won't fit your accusation that it is me and not that you are blind to your republican pals.
Nice deflection.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 01, 2015, 09:32:37 PM
Hmmm really, don't republicans complain about big government and waste all the time here?

Sometimes the not a professor steps away from his purposeful trolling.  He used to be a reasonable moderate republican that was not super partisan all the time.  That changed.

Not sure what a clerk refusing to do their job has to do with big government - but it is a waste when they won't work!

I was moderate - still am
you on the other hand have gone completely radical
(I'm sure Fry even cringes now when you defend him!)
Sad you can't even accept when someone conceded your point! 

and the childish answers and behavior are amusing and annoying... 
name calling is something the bullies did in 4th grade -
Is not a professor supposed to mean something - or does it make you feel like a "MAN"?
 I have glasses you want to call me 4 eyes too?
(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/27100000/Cyber-bullying-anti-bullying-27113224-500-500.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 06:47:33 AM
(I'm sure Fry even cringes now when you defend him!)
Sad you can't even accept when someone conceded your point! 
Wrong!

The forum needs more people like DS to counter the incessant bullying and lies being perpetrated by the "conservative" radical right.

They've claimed the forum as their very own echo-chamber...and having DS fight for normalcy is refreshing.

Sadly he is now their target...so the tag-teaming and piling on can take a toll...and the divide and conquer thing isn't cool either.

So to DS...I salute you.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 02, 2015, 06:58:25 AM
Wrong!

The forum needs more people like DS to counter the incessant bullying and lies being perpetrated by the "conservative" radical right.

They've claimed the forum as their very own echo-chamber...and having DS fight for normalcy is refreshing.

Sadly he is now their target...so the tag-teaming and piling on can take a toll...and the divide and conquer thing isn't cool either.

So to DS...I salute you.

LOL!

Thanks for the morning laugh Fry!

"Incessant bullying and lies."

I think that line pretty well summarizes Ducksoup these days.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

 ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 07:20:09 AM
LOL!

Thanks for the morning laugh Fry!

"Incessant bullying and lies."

I think that line pretty well summarizes Ducksoup these days.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

 ;D
Your allegations against DS are false.

DS garners multiple attacks from the right whenever he confronts those trolls.

You guys made a mess of this place and every once in a while somebody will attempt to clean it up.

Perhaps the attempt is futile and the only hope is to let it flounder...but I applaud the attempt nonetheless.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 02, 2015, 07:28:01 AM
Your allegations against DS are false.

DS garners multiple attacks from the right whenever he confronts those trolls.

You guys made a mess of this place and every once in a while somebody will attempt to clean it up.

Perhaps the attempt is futile and the only hope is to let it flounder...but I applaud the attempt nonetheless.

So stating a position is being a Troll to a Liberal?

An you believe the correct response to conservatives discussing their beliefs on a forum is to lie about what they say and believe, call names, and generally rant and rave?

Wow Fry - if that is really your position that is pretty telling - and explains why this forum is the way it is.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 07:38:21 AM
So stating a position is being a Troll to a Liberal?

An you believe the correct response to conservatives discussing their beliefs on a forum is to lie about what they say and believe, call names, and generally rant and rave?

Wow Fry - if that is really your position that is pretty telling - and explains why this forum is the way it is.
Truth is...it's not like you stated a position and left it at that.

Instead you guys either tag-team with personal attacks, post blatantly false info (which is often termed "opinions") or post the lies from a conservative site...such as fox news or the blaze.

Lately the charges coming from your side has been complete psychological projection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 02, 2015, 09:14:18 AM
Wrong!

The forum needs more people like DS to counter the incessant bullying and lies being perpetrated by the "conservative" radical right.

They've claimed the forum as their very own echo-chamber...and having DS fight for normalcy is refreshing.

Sadly he is now their target...so the tag-teaming and piling on can take a toll...and the divide and conquer thing isn't cool either.

So to DS...I salute you.
Funny you chose Duck (DS)  and Bullying
after I pointed out his movement in that direction  ;)

I have no problem with dialogue and can even excuse the rants and calling non-lefties liars,
but he started down that path
From the sign -    Mean words, Lies, name calling, I'm sure a few others can be met -


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 02, 2015, 09:21:06 AM
Truth is...it's not like you stated a position and left it at that.

Instead you guys either tag-team with personal attacks, post blatantly false info (which is often termed "opinions") or post the lies from a conservative site...such as fox news or the blaze.

Lately the charges coming from your side has been complete psychological projection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Sounds like the fox fetish is getting popular  ;)
Sources please if you are going to join DS in blaming everything on Fox...  and what is the Blaze?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 09:32:09 AM
Funny you chose Duck (DS)  and Bullying
after I pointed out his movement in that direction  ;)

I have no problem with dialogue and can even excuse the rants and calling non-lefties liars,
but he started down that path
From the sign -    Mean words, Lies, name calling, I'm sure a few others can be met -
It's even funnier watching you pick out two words to change the context to fit your narrative.

Sounds like the fox fetish is getting popular  ;)
Sources please if you are going to join DS in blaming everything on Fox...  and what is the Blaze?

Still having reading comprehension issues I see.
Nobody blamed everything on fox.
I spoke in terms of whole fake conservative news base...and their Koch sucker followers.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 02, 2015, 10:03:44 AM
It's even funnier watching you pick out two words to change the context to fit your narrative.
Still having reading comprehension issues I see.
Not reading - but pointing out your Freudian Slip  ;)

Nobody blamed everything on fox.
I spoke in terms of whole fake conservative news base...and their Koch sucker followers.
Oh that's right you also blamed the Blaze - whatever that is  ;D

Unlike your favorites  The Turks or Maddow  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 10:10:57 AM
Not reading - but pointing out your Freudian Slip  ;)
Oh that's right you also blamed the Blaze - whatever that is  ;D

Unlike your favorites  The Turks or Maddow  ;D
You're still seeing things that aren't there.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 02, 2015, 04:34:28 PM
I was wondering if they ever found all those billions that they shipped to Iraq on a plane. 

The answer seems to be no.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-missing-iraqi-cash-ended-in-lebanon-bunker.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-missing-iraqi-cash-ended-in-lebanon-bunker.html?_r=0)

The office of the special inspector general for Iraq closed in 2013, and Mr. Bowen is now working in the private sector. Mr. Bowen thinks at least some of the money has been moved, and said it is impossible to say whether any of it is still in the bunker. He says he is still frustrated by the lack of cooperation he got from his own government in his efforts to pursue the missing cash. “We struggled to gain timely support from the interagency as we pursued this case,” Mr. Bowen said.

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish

Oliver: "Of their money. Billions of dollars of their money, yeah I understand. I'm saying what difference does it make?"
(That one just for prof.  See, not even used out of context!)
Mr Bremer, whose disbanding of the Iraqi armed forces and de-Ba'athification programme have been blamed as contributing to the present chaos, told the committee: "I acknowledge that I made mistakes and that with the benefit of hindsight, I would have made some decisions differently. Our top priority was to get the economy moving again. The first step was to get money into the hands of the Iraqi people as quickly as possible."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1)

So, can something like this happen again?  Just put 12 to 14 billion dollars on a plane and hand it out in cash and basically no accounting?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 02, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
LOL!

Thanks for the morning laugh Fry!

"Incessant bullying and lies."

I think that line pretty well summarizes Ducksoup these days.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

 ;D

I won't argue it sums me up "these days"

Won't argue that you have worked very hard with most posts to get there and also encourage your republican minions to do the same.

But, that I am there "these days" is because you have since you started.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 02, 2015, 04:40:51 PM
So stating a position is being a Troll to a Liberal?

No, you have repeated many times that I am "wrong even before I say anything," just because you make up what I think.

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An you believe the correct response to conservatives discussing their beliefs on a forum is to lie about what they say and believe, call names, and generally rant and rave?

Whoa, hold the phones.  You stated your beliefs and it was not specifically meant to piss off or troll?  Please, show that post.  You are high in posts and I missed that one.

Quote
Wow Fry - if that is really your position that is pretty telling - and explains why this forum is the way it is.

Yep, poor innocent you that is perfect and never does a thing wrong, never is insulting or trying top piss people off..  Well,you say there ws one post somewhere that you didn't anyway.  Waiting to see that one.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 02, 2015, 06:32:45 PM
I'm curious how much of Lebanon was torn up looking for the billions of US dollars

I've seen stuff in movies on this in war zones - Probably from real life experiences it seems.

A good question - but since I'm not into military history - I'll defer to anyone who may be...    How does a conquered nation get monies to run?

I was wondering if they ever found all those billions that they shipped to Iraq on a plane. 

The answer seems to be no.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-missing-iraqi-cash-ended-in-lebanon-bunker.html?_r=0[/url] ([url]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-missing-iraqi-cash-ended-in-lebanon-bunker.html?_r=0[/url])

The office of the special inspector general for Iraq closed in 2013, and Mr. Bowen is now working in the private sector. Mr. Bowen thinks at least some of the money has been moved, and said it is impossible to say whether any of it is still in the bunker. He says he is still frustrated by the lack of cooperation he got from his own government in his efforts to pursue the missing cash. “We struggled to gain timely support from the interagency as we pursued this case,” Mr. Bowen said.

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish

Oliver: "Of their money. Billions of dollars of their money, yeah I understand. I'm saying what difference does it make?"
(That one just for prof.  See, not even used out of context!)
Mr Bremer, whose disbanding of the Iraqi armed forces and de-Ba'athification programme have been blamed as contributing to the present chaos, told the committee: "I acknowledge that I made mistakes and that with the benefit of hindsight, I would have made some decisions differently. Our top priority was to get the economy moving again. The first step was to get money into the hands of the Iraqi people as quickly as possible."
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1[/url] ([url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1[/url])

So, can something like this happen again?  Just put 12 to 14 billion dollars on a plane and hand it out in cash and basically no accounting?

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 03, 2015, 12:12:42 PM

Interesting to see the "STATES" taking a stance ...  seems to me like they did this for Apartheid and it finally worked to make changes. 
(and we laughed about Coleman Young having Krugerrands in his stash)


Michigan AG Bill Schuette wants states to impose sanctions on Iran as Congress considers deal
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/michigan_ag_bill_schuette_want.html#incart_river (http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/michigan_ag_bill_schuette_want.html#incart_river)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2015, 12:29:09 PM
My first though t was he should be spending his time on state issues rather than making a statement about a federal issue. Maybe spend some time researching the benefits of legalizing marijuana as opposed to being against it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 03, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
I was thinking how appropriate the Judges words were for the Obama administration on immigration
and Hillary from her own Cable to employee's   ;)  ;D

(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb_c13477820150831120100.jpg)

 Judge Bunning said. “If you give people the opportunity to choose which orders they follow, that’s what potentially causes problems.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 03, 2015, 02:20:52 PM
My first though t was he should be spending his time on state issues rather than making a statement about a federal issue. Maybe spend some time researching the benefits of legalizing marijuana as opposed to being against it.

EXACTLY.  He's outta his league and making pronouncements like that is only to further his shot at being governor....  alterior motive.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 03, 2015, 03:34:58 PM
Interesting to see the "STATES" taking a stance ...  seems to me like they did this for Apartheid and it finally worked to make changes. 
(and we laughed about Coleman Young having Krugerrands in his stash)


Michigan AG Bill Schuette wants states to impose sanctions on Iran as Congress considers deal
[url]http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/michigan_ag_bill_schuette_want.html#incart_river[/url] ([url]http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/michigan_ag_bill_schuette_want.html#incart_river[/url])


Without actually debating the issue....

What exactly do we buy or sell to iran, or could we.

Their main export is oil oil related products.  If the U.S. starts to buy Iranian oil, can Michigan separate it out from the rest of the oil being pumped in Michigan?

From what I can see, the main imports are food... wheat, corn etc. Now, they get it all from a few European countries. 

I get the symbolism, some republicans can't handle peace, or perhaps hate Obama so much they refuse anything he wants.  Or perhaps it is what republicans said when Obama was elected, that they would oppose anything and everything he wanted.

I see this as a pile of nothing.

What I don'e see as nothing, no one even mentions.

Republicans in Washington saw this deal coming.  They likely had a good deal of information of what was in it all along.  Right now the republicans in Washington are very vocal in opposition....

But, here is the unspoken part.  They clearly knew what the deal would be, or close.  Yet, they gave it fast track allowing it to go through without the republicans having a say.  WHY?  The same deal now is almost certain exactly what they knew of when fast track was voted in.

Clearly, the republicans secretly want peace instead of war, but had to hide it from the republican voters.  Hence, they are crying about it now publicly, yet they clearly wanted it to go through.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 03, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Their main export is oil oil related products. 


U.S. State Department lists terrorism as a main export.

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm (http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 03, 2015, 04:56:50 PM
U.S. State Department lists terrorism as a main export.

[url]http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm[/url])


Well, thank you very much for not being a troll. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on September 03, 2015, 05:11:37 PM
Without actually debating the issue....

What exactly do we buy or sell to iran, or could we.

Their main export is oil oil related products.  If the U.S. starts to buy Iranian oil, can Michigan separate it out from the rest of the oil being pumped in Michigan?

From what I can see, the main imports are food... wheat, corn etc. Now, they get it all from a few European countries. 

I get the symbolism, some republicans can't handle peace, or perhaps hate Obama so much they refuse anything he wants.  Or perhaps it is what republicans said when Obama was elected, that they would oppose anything and everything he wanted.

I see this as a pile of nothing.

What I don'e see as nothing, no one even mentions.

Republicans in Washington saw this deal coming.  They likely had a good deal of information of what was in it all along.  Right now the republicans in Washington are very vocal in opposition....

But, here is the unspoken part.  They clearly knew what the deal would be, or close.  Yet, they gave it fast track allowing it to go through without the republicans having a say.  WHY?  The same deal now is almost certain exactly what they knew of when fast track was voted in.

Clearly, the republicans secretly want peace instead of war, but had to hide it from the republican voters.  Hence, they are crying about it now publicly, yet they clearly wanted it to go through.


Without actually debating the issue....

What exactly do we buy or sell to iran, or could we.

Their main export is oil oil related products.  If the U.S. starts to buy Iranian oil, can Michigan separate it out from the rest of the oil being pumped in Michigan?

From what I can see, the main imports are food... wheat, corn etc. Now, they get it all from a few European countries. 

I get the symbolism, some republicans can't handle peace, or perhaps hate Obama so much they refuse anything he wants.  Or perhaps it is what republicans said when Obama was elected, that they would oppose anything and everything he wanted.

I see this as a pile of nothing.

What I don'e see as nothing, no one even mentions.

Republicans in Washington saw this deal coming.  They likely had a good deal of information of what was in it all along.  Right now the republicans in Washington are very vocal in opposition....

But, here is the unspoken part.  They clearly knew what the deal would be, or close.  Yet, they gave it fast track allowing it to go through without the republicans having a say.  WHY?  The same deal now is almost certain exactly what they knew of when fast track was voted in.

Clearly, the republicans secretly want peace instead of war, but had to hide it from the republican voters.  Hence, they are crying about it now publicly, yet they clearly wanted it to go through.


What is it within you that causes you to twist and misinterpret everything so that you can bash republicans?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 03, 2015, 05:19:19 PM
Well, thank you very much for not being a troll.


Thanks for not calling me a token.  I appreciate that you exercised some restraint.

Here's what David Petraeus said at yesterday's Lowy Lecture:

“In the Middle East, the collapse of state authority in several countries has created a vast swath of ungoverned territory — and a violent, radicalizing struggle for power, both among rival groups within these countries, and between different countries within the region. The two biggest beneficiaries of this dynamic have been Sunni extremists like the Islamic State and al-Qa’ida, on the one side, and the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies, on the other. Both have exploited the chaos, and both have exacerbated the chaos, expanding and entrenching their respective positions across the Middle East.

The result is that we see the creation of multiple terrorist sanctuaries on a scale unparalleled since 9/11 — only now, they are just a stone’s throw from Europe. At the same time, we also see the spectre of a kind of new Iranian empire — in which Tehran trains, funds, equips, and arms extremist proxy groups that then seek to become the dominant element in various neighbouring Arab countries.’’

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/david-petraeus-seven-helpful-lessons-from-lowy-lecture/story-fn8qlm5e-1227510733811 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/david-petraeus-seven-helpful-lessons-from-lowy-lecture/story-fn8qlm5e-1227510733811)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: lilly on September 03, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
U.S. State Department lists terrorism as a main export.

[url]http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm[/url])

Yes, lets cut down on our imports of terrorism...



Unless we can buy low and sell high.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 03, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
U.S. State Department lists terrorism as a main export.

[url]http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm[/url])
Not true. Nothing there says it's their main export.

State Sponsors of Terrorism

Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country   Designation Date
Iran   January 19, 1984
Sudan   August 12, 1993
Syria   December 29, 1979
For more details about State Sponsors of Terrorism, see "Overview of State Sponsored Terrorism" in Country Reports on Terrorism.
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm (http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm)

How did you become so xenophobic?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on September 04, 2015, 09:29:33 AM
My first though t was he should be spending his time on state issues rather than making a statement about a federal issue. Maybe spend some time researching the benefits of legalizing marijuana as opposed to being against it.

When I read that my first thought was he has decided to skip running for governor and going straight to making a run for president :o :o :o
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 04, 2015, 09:57:28 AM
When I read that my first thought was he has decided to skip running for governor and going straight to making a run for president :o :o :o

Never make the climb....  On that stage Schutte is extremely small potatoes.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 04, 2015, 08:03:06 PM
Yes, lets cut down on our imports of terrorism...



Unless we can buy low and sell high.


Sounds like a blood for oil proposal.    They get to export more terrorism and we get cheap oil.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 04, 2015, 08:08:28 PM
How did you become so xenophobic?

I am sure that my foreign born friends and former roommates would find your deceitful attempts to paint me as a xenophobe quite entertaining.

Your intellectual dishonestly is on display for all to witness when you attempt to conflate the lawful foreign born individuals with the lawbreakers. 

It is interesting that you consistently side with the lawless and defend the criminal.  It seems that you can relate to the felonious.   It provides some insight in your moral character.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. ~ RFK
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 04, 2015, 09:05:14 PM
I am sure that my foreign born friends and former roommates would find your deceitful attempts to paint me as a xenophobe quite entertaining.

Your intellectual dishonestly is on display for all to witness when you attempt to conflate the lawful foreign born individuals with the lawbreakers. 

It is interesting that you consistently side with the lawless and defend the criminal.  It seems that you can relate to the felonious.   It provides some insight in your moral character.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. ~ RFK

What you are to your friends, or how you claim you are isn't how you post here. 

I always took you as very xenophobic. 

Why is it that your posting here is that, yet you say your life is not?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 04, 2015, 09:32:43 PM
Couple of observations from the article below:
1 - when she's not in the news anymore will she still sit in jail?
2 - how many deputy clerks does one need!  :o
her 'son' is the 6th deputy clerk and he refuses ... let him join his Mom in jail.

3 - What is "conservative" about not upholding the constitution?
4 - Why isn't the Legislature acting to impeach an official that won't perform their job?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'Holdout' Kentucky county issues gay marriage licences
1 hour ago
 From the section US & Canada
Rowan County clerk Kim Davis is shown in this booking photo provided by the Carter County Detention Centre in Grayson, Kentucky on 3 September 2015Image copyrightReuters
Image caption
County clerk Kim Davis said issuing gay marriage licenses was against her Christian faith
Gay marriage ruling

A county in the US state of Kentucky has started issuing marriage licences to gay couples after the county clerk was jailed for refusing to do so.
Kim Davis, an elected official in Rowan County, has said the Supreme Court's ruling conflicts with her beliefs as a born-again Christian.
Some of her deputies began processing the licences on Friday, providing one to a gay couple previously denied one.
The US Supreme Court declared gay marriage legal in June.
On Thursday, Ms Davis denied herself the opportunity to be released from jail after refusing a judge's request to allow her clerks to issue licences. US District Judge David Bunning said she could remain in prison for up to a week.
Five deputy clerks later told the judge they would comply with the court order and started issuing marriage licences on Friday morning. But Ms Davis's son, who is a sixth deputy clerk, refused.
'Love has won'
The first gay couple to walk out of the Kentucky county office with a marriage licence was William Smith Jr and James Yates - it was their sixth attempt to obtain one.
Dozens of supporters of same-sex marriage chanted "love has won" as they exited the building.
Same-sex marriage supports demonstrate on the steps of the federal courthouse during Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis's hearing on 3 September 2015 in Ashland, KentuckyImage copyrightGetty Images
Image caption
Supporters and opponents of gay marriage turned up for court ruling on Thursday which sent Ms Davis to jail
But there is dispute over whether the licences will be considered valid as they did not bear the elected clerk's signature.
Lawyers for the couples believe they are, but Ms Davis's lawyer said they were "not worth the paper they are written on''.
Support rally planned
Meanwhile, Ms Davis's husband, who was outside the courthouse on Friday, said his wife would not resign and will remain in jail "for as long as it takes".
Joe Davis said his wife was in good spirits after her first night in jail.
She stopped issuing marriage licences to all couples in June rather than comply with the US Supreme Court's ruling legalising gay marriage nationwide, and turned couples away repeatedly.
The US Supreme Court on Monday rejected the argument that her faith prevented her from carrying out her duty.
She can only be removed from her position if the Kentucky legislature impeaches her, because she is an elected official.
Various 2016 Republican presidential candidates, like Mike Huckabee, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, Senator Ted Cruz and Senator Marco Rubio, have come out in support of Ms Davis' decision.
Mr Huckabee said on Friday he planned to meet the jailed county clerk and stage a rally in support of her.
Others like Carly Fiorina, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ohio Governor John Kasich have said she must do her job and comply with the law.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34155775 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34155775)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 04, 2015, 10:24:40 PM
My take, good or bad is....  Do the job you were elected or appointed to and thats it.  If not, quit.  Same applies to the Toledo Judge.

Man up or get out.

Whether you agree with something is personal and cannot influence your sworn duty one way or another.

IOW, she needs to go and Huckleberry is a fool for supporting her.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 05, 2015, 06:05:37 PM
What you are to your friends, or how you claim you are isn't how you post here. 

I always took you as very xenophobic. 

Why is it that your posting here is that, yet you say your life is not?

I am very consistent between what I post and how I am with my foreign born friends.

I do not like criminals.   I think the United States has enough crime and there is need to import additional lawbreakers into our neighborhoods.

My foreign born friends are not criminals and they have respect for U.S. laws.   They came here on visas to better their lives.   Some left for home after school and their educational visa expired.  Others applied for work visas to stay and some of these went through the long process to become U.S. citizens.  I have much respect for these individuals.

Your inability to discern that my posts about illegal aliens are directed to those that show disdain for our laws is on you and not me. 

Why did you feel the need to improperly label that which you clearly do not understand?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 05, 2015, 07:55:32 PM
I am very consistent between what I post and how I am with my foreign born friends.

I do not like criminals.   I think the United States has enough crime and there is need to import additional lawbreakers into our neighborhoods.

My foreign born friends are not criminals and they have respect for U.S. laws.   They came here on vistas to better their lives.   Some left for home after school and their educational vista expired.  Others applied for work vistas to stay and some of these went through the long process to become U.S. citizens.  I have much respect for these individuals.

Your inability to discern that my posts about illegal aliens are directed to those that show disdain for our laws is on you and not me. 

Why did you feel the need to improperly label that which you clearly do not understand?
LOL...it's actually YOU that's apparently very confused. The word is VISA...not vista.

And I enjoyed your omission about importing...which changed what you were trying to convey...I mean your typical hate fest.

Yep...you're xenophobic.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 05, 2015, 09:13:18 PM
LOL...it's actually YOU that's apparently very confused. The word is VISA...not vista.

And I enjoyed your omission about importing...which changed what you trying to convey...I mean your typical hate fest.

Yep...you're xenophobic.

You are correct on the spelling error, but you remain intellectually dishonest.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 05, 2015, 09:24:40 PM
You are correct on the spelling error, but you remain intellectually dishonest.

Oh my join the crowd.  You, ff, are "intellectually dishonest" because ... because... because he says you are and we are always wrong and they are never ever wrong, never are insulting... nope

But, it sure is a big broad brush...    But, don't you worry none, it was not an insult... just laugh because they think it is so funny.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 05, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
The word is VISA...not vista.



(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a3/8a/50/a38a50d5a951741660ef0267ef661de4.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 05, 2015, 10:11:26 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a3/8a/50/a38a50d5a951741660ef0267ef661de4.jpg)
Funny stuff.  I find it funnier that the right says nothing when the right plays grammar police.  Why is it you only criticize FF for doing it? 

Oh, wait, I am stupid again... that is what makes it funny to you, that your buddies play grammar police and you ignore it so it is funny when you do. .....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 05, 2015, 10:23:57 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a3/8a/50/a38a50d5a951741660ef0267ef661de4.jpg)
Sadly not-a-professor thinks the error was grammatical.

The error was actually word usage.

He used the same wrong word 3 times.

Which he corrected when it was brought to his attention...but he still didn't correct the omission where he said:

there is need to import additional lawbreakers into our neighborhoods.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 05, 2015, 10:27:41 PM
(http://www.hackettstownlife.com/images/forum/2012/08/2f54a64466d4a136ac60b736d6f6b46de63d977f.jpg)

This one is the other meme -  take your pick
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 05, 2015, 10:32:50 PM
([url]http://www.hackettstownlife.com/images/forum/2012/08/2f54a64466d4a136ac60b736d6f6b46de63d977f.jpg[/url])

This one is the other meme -  take your pick


I prefer this one.....

(http://www.jeniferkasten.com/uploads/3/0/1/9/30193187/8173924.png?303)

Or this.....

(http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/grammarnazilogo1.jpg?w=300&h=298)

 ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 05, 2015, 10:34:45 PM
([url]http://www.hackettstownlife.com/images/forum/2012/08/2f54a64466d4a136ac60b736d6f6b46de63d977f.jpg[/url])

This one is the other meme -  take your pick
Except neither applied. Why are you playing the victim here?

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11923214_1082581578442493_6063353662848992883_n.jpg?oh=f0b6966271930adc462844b81dd1ccc9&oe=5663AEDC)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2015, 11:16:55 AM
Except neither applied. Why are you playing the victim here?

([url]https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11923214_1082581578442493_6063353662848992883_n.jpg?oh=f0b6966271930adc462844b81dd1ccc9&oe=5663AEDC[/url])

LOL  no victim as I can care less in a forum if someone misspells a word that doesn't change the point so far that one can't figure it out... 
We aren't submitting resume's or or term papers!

In fact the human brain is remarkable in that fact that it can decipher for you!

Breaking the Code: Why Yuor Barin Can Raed Tihs
http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html (http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html)

Brain Oddities: Spelling is Irrelevant to Comprehension
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/ (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 06, 2015, 11:53:59 AM
well, taking away from excelsior's xenophobia by playing grammar police seemed to work a couple pages back... still
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 06, 2015, 12:34:08 PM
well, taking away from excelsior's xenophobia by playing grammar police seemed to work a couple pages back... still

You had ample time to present your counter position to my statements, but you only continue bring forth ad hominem.   

Stawman and ad hominem appear to be the only items in your skill set.   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 06, 2015, 12:42:03 PM
You had ample time to present your counter position to my statements, but you only continue bring forth ad hominem.   

Stawman and ad hominem appear to be the only items in your skill set.

why, when you successfully played grammar police to get away from it pages ago?

You made claims that I do not see in any of your posting, and more the opposite.  Observing that your posting shows xenophobia is ll I can do, as I have no clue who you are or if your claims about your outside life could be true or not. 

But, it is also true that your grammar police thing hid it.

Apparently now accusing ad hominem is the new grammar police to get away from it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 06, 2015, 12:42:30 PM
You had ample time to present your counter position to my statements, but you only continue bring forth ad hominem.   

Stawman and ad hominem appear to be the only items in your skill set.   

Soup du jour!  And everyday!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 06, 2015, 12:59:44 PM
The Adrian Telegram now refers to Courser and Gamrat as 'The Affair Pair'......lol
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: lilly on September 06, 2015, 01:03:03 PM
   

Stawman and ad hominem appear to be the only items in your skill set.
Yet you like to resort to them as well. ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2015, 01:17:58 PM
well, taking away from excelsior's xenophobia by playing grammar police seemed to work a couple pages back... still


You missed this part I guess...

LOL  no victim as I can care less in a forum if someone misspells a word that doesn't change the point so far that one can't figure it out... 
We aren't submitting resume's or or term papers!

In fact the human brain is remarkable in that fact that it can decipher for you!

Breaking the Code: Why Yuor Barin Can Raed Tihs
[url]http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html[/url] ([url]http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html[/url])

Brain Oddities: Spelling is Irrelevant to Comprehension
[url]http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/[/url] ([url]http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/[/url])
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2015, 01:18:57 PM
The Adrian Telegram now refers to Courser and Gamrat as 'The Affair Pair'......lol

It will be interesting to see the facts on Tuesday... and how they formulate their "defense"...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 06, 2015, 02:06:15 PM
Mine would be......."Come on guys, how many of you haven't stepped out on your old lady's and knocked off some young, strange stuff?  I may have fallen victim to the "hardon not having a conscious" scenario, and how many of you didn't take back campaign promises and run under false pretenses?"
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 06, 2015, 09:33:16 PM
....... at my age, a hardon is cause for celebration.... ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 06, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
My comment to your comment Fuzz is simply..... Courser wasn't just knocking off a piece and stepping out on his old lady, he was knocking it off regularly, at the office on the floor and at the Radisson too.  probably has pecker tracks on his office carpeting and thats all well and good but it was on the taxpayers dime. 

Same with Gamra.  It was consensual sex.  That takes 2.  She's as dirty as him...  maybe there aren't any pecker tracks, maybe she swallows...  I don't care though, it was plain wrong and any upstanding person would have stepped down, immediately upon getting caught.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 06, 2015, 10:18:10 PM
I know.....I'm poking fun at the whole thing and what it has exploded up to be.

Still though, I find it totally ironic that they are going to be judged by crooks.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2015, 11:00:26 PM
I think you'll see plenty of their peers pointing the finger at them. The telling statistic will be those that DON"T have anything to say or won't come out publicly against them. Those are the ones that have a skeleton in their own closet.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 07, 2015, 07:45:23 AM
....... at my age, a hardon is cause for celebration.... ;D
As I suspected. Thanks for proving yet another one of my assertions correct.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 07, 2015, 07:47:58 AM
LOL  no victim as I can care less in a forum if someone misspells a word that doesn't change the point so far that one can't figure it out... 
We aren't submitting resume's or or term papers!

In fact the human brain is remarkable in that fact that it can decipher for you!

Breaking the Code: Why Yuor Barin Can Raed Tihs
[url]http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html[/url] ([url]http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html[/url])

Brain Oddities: Spelling is Irrelevant to Comprehension
[url]http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/[/url] ([url]http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/[/url])
Except he didn't misspell that word.

It was the wrong word.

Using the wrong word has nothing to do with misspelling.

You're an embarrassment to real professors.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 08:17:59 AM
LOL...it's actually YOU that's apparently very confused. The word is VISA...not vista.


Often misspelled words can be form another word - thus spell check doesn't highlight them!
but you know for a fact in your world that it wasn't a typo -

Except he didn't misspell that word.

It was the wrong word.

Using the wrong word has nothing to do with misspelling.

You're an embarrassment to real professors.


It's sad to learn you were unable to read and discern - but if that's your capacity I apologize
it did say not all could comprehend.

Most peoples Brains could determine the meaning of the entire sentence

If you can't then it is acceptable for you to question in the future - sorry for your handicap

Breaking the Code: Why Yuor Barin Can Raed Tihs
http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html (http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html)

Brain Oddities: Spelling is Irrelevant to Comprehension
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/ (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 07, 2015, 08:28:07 AM
Often misspelled words can be form another word - thus spell check doesn't highlight them!
but you know for a fact in your world that it wasn't a typo -

It's sad to learn you were unable to read and discern - but if that's your capacity I apologize
it did say not all could comprehend.

Most peoples Brains could determine the meaning of the entire sentence

If you can't then it is acceptable for you to question in the future - sorry for your handicap

Breaking the Code: Why Yuor Barin Can Raed Tihs
[url]http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html[/url] ([url]http://www.livescience.com/18392-reading-jumbled-words.html[/url])

Brain Oddities: Spelling is Irrelevant to Comprehension
[url]http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/[/url] ([url]http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/12/brain-oddities-irrelevant-spelling/[/url])
Ignoring your dyslexic spelled word...spell check didn't highlight 'em because they weren't misspelled. He used the wrong word... 3X!

When a word is wrongly used 3X...one can safely deduce that it wasn't a typo.

My god man...how far will you go to prove what an idiot you are.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 08:41:49 AM
And it confused you to the point you couldn't comprehend... Got it!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 08:43:57 AM
I see the Ferguson crowds call to kill police is speading across the country -

or is it ISIS?

Cops in Las Vegas attacked while in their patrol car

They apprehended the suspect without them shooting a single shot
http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/09/07/71833470/ (http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/09/07/71833470/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 07, 2015, 08:44:33 AM
LOL...it's actually YOU that's apparently very confused. The word is VISA...not vista.

And I enjoyed your omission about importing...which changed what you were trying to convey...I mean your typical hate fest.

Yep...you're xenophobic.
And it confused you to the point you couldn't comprehend... Got it!

LOL...keep digging fool.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 07, 2015, 08:46:41 AM
I see the Ferguson crowds call to kill police is speading across the country -

or is it ISIS?

Cops in Las Vegas attacked while in their patrol car

They apprehended the suspect without them shooting a single shot
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/09/07/71833470/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/09/07/71833470/[/url])
Remarkable restraint indeed.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 07, 2015, 08:49:41 AM
I see the Ferguson crowds call to kill police is speading across the country -

or is it ISIS?

Cops in Las Vegas attacked while in their patrol car

They apprehended the suspect without them shooting a single shot
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/09/07/71833470/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/09/07/71833470/[/url])


I guess now some not only believe they don't need to listen to the Police when asked to do something - but they can also just attack them at will.

I have to wonder what has brought about this shift in attitude.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 07, 2015, 08:02:18 PM
We are entitled?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 07, 2015, 08:12:33 PM
We are entitled?

Maybe.

Taking out cops though takes ambition.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 07, 2015, 09:22:15 PM
Yet you like to resort to them as well. ;)

Please refresh my memory on the strawman that you are referring to.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 10:13:17 PM
She's spending a lot of other peoples $$...   wants the State to change forms for 100K

Sounds like she's going to be in Jail until her term runs out then when she doesn't have that "authority" she can be released. 
Also Funny how the ACLU is downplaying their role - as they pushed the issue and the Courts ruled.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky-governor/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky-governor/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 07, 2015, 10:23:00 PM
She's spending a lot of other peoples $$...   wants the State to change forms for 100K

Sounds like she's going to be in Jail until her term runs out then when she doesn't have that "authority" she can be released. 
Also Funny how the ACLU is downplaying their role - as they pushed the issue and the Courts ruled.

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky-governor/[/url] ([url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky-governor/[/url])


I am not a fan of this woman, but U.S. Federal Laws do demand that an employer made reasonable accommodations:

The law requires an employer or other covered entity to reasonably accommodate an employee's religious beliefs or practices, unless doing so would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of the employer's business. This means an employer may be required to make reasonable adjustments to the work environment that will allow an employee to practice his or her religion.

http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 10:56:35 PM
I am not a fan of this woman, but U.S. Federal Laws do demand that an employer made reasonable accommodations:

The law requires an employer or other covered entity to reasonably accommodate an employee's religious beliefs or practices, unless doing so would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of the employer's business. This means an employer may be required to make reasonable adjustments to the work environment that will allow an employee to practice his or her religion.

[url]http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm[/url] ([url]http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm[/url])


Actually what I've read is that she was given that opportunity - but refused to allow her deputy clerks to do what they are currently doing.

She's getting lots of bad advice it seems from her attorneys
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 08, 2015, 05:06:12 PM
That Republicans could gain more support within their party if they would separate Religion away from their platform, and get rid of fools like this for claiming party membership.

http://news.yahoo.com/huckabee-join-rally-clerk-opposed-gay-marriage-083813902.html# (http://news.yahoo.com/huckabee-join-rally-clerk-opposed-gay-marriage-083813902.html#)

BTW....they let that clerk out of jail in Kentucky.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on September 08, 2015, 07:20:48 PM
....... at my age, a hardon is cause for celebration.... ;D

Nice going, Flip.  Now you got Fry all excited.  LMAO!!!


As I suspected. Thanks for proving yet another one of my assertions correct.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 08, 2015, 10:17:51 PM
Interesting read from the perspective of the gay/lesbian community...

and it sounds like the Clerk is daring the judge to stop her again...

http://www.peacock-panache.com/2015/09/ky-clerk-kim-davis-freed-jail-vows-lawlessness-11370.html (http://www.peacock-panache.com/2015/09/ky-clerk-kim-davis-freed-jail-vows-lawlessness-11370.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 08, 2015, 10:29:40 PM
Nice going, Flip.  Now you got Fry all excited.  LMAO!!!

I'm not concerned, I'm not into males anyway and if I was (I'm not), I would never consider allowing Fry to blow me anyway.  he's a POS.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 09, 2015, 07:37:34 AM
That Republicans could gain more support within their party if they would separate Religion away from their platform, and get rid of fools like this for claiming party membership.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/huckabee-join-rally-clerk-opposed-gay-marriage-083813902.html#[/url] ([url]http://news.yahoo.com/huckabee-join-rally-clerk-opposed-gay-marriage-083813902.html#[/url])

BTW....they let that clerk out of jail in Kentucky.


It's funny that they are supporting her when she's a Democrat! 

LOL   a Democrat wanting to ignore the law...   go figure  ;D

funny how the media has tried to hide that fact and make it look as if she's a conservative R  8*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davis_(county_clerk)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 09, 2015, 08:15:25 AM
Yea, it is odd support but Huckebee represents a part of the Republican platform that alienates me the most in intertwining this moral majority and religious twists into government politics.  Separation of Church and State was put into the foundation of our government for a very good reason.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 09, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
Yea, it is odd support but Huckebee represents a part of the Republican platform that alienates me the most in intertwining this moral majority and religious twists into government politics.  Separation of Church and State was put into the foundation of our government for a very good reason.

The so called Separation of Church and State has been twisted and distorted from its original intentions - like most of the rest of the Constitution.

The Founders were most concerned that the State not impose a State Religion on the country - and people be able to practice the Religion of their choice freely without Government interference.

Now that has been twisted that NO Religious tenants should influence state matters - and that was certainly not the Founders intentions - and if you read the founding documents you will see their religious beliefs throughout.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 09, 2015, 08:49:14 AM
It's funny that they are supporting her when she's a Democrat! 

LOL   a Democrat wanting to ignore the law...   go figure  ;D

funny how the media has tried to hide that fact and make it look as if she's a conservative R  8*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davis_(county_clerk)
LOL...even YOU took her insane actions as coming from the R's

Sadly there are moronic conservatives on both sides of the aisle.

But the breakdown is something like 99% in the republican party and 1% in the democratic party.

And that small percentage is mainly in the south.

Hell...could even be higher than that.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 09, 2015, 08:50:32 AM
But the breakdown is something like 99% in the republican party and 1% in the democratic party.

I wish that 99% number was true.

It is not when you study voting records.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 09, 2015, 09:01:19 AM
I wish that 99% number was true.

It is not when you study voting records.
Why? Because the right had to compromise occasionally?

Well considering that doesn't happen much anymore...you should be ecstatic.

But then you're a "glass is half empty" pessimistic kind of guy.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 09, 2015, 10:08:15 AM

The Founders were most concerned that the State not impose a State Religion on the country - and people be able to practice the Religion of their choice freely without Government interference.

Now that has been twisted that NO Religious tenants should influence state matters - and that was certainly not the Founders intentions - and if you read the founding documents you will see their religious beliefs throughout.

Then I guess I can be counted as one that twisted with no religious influence.  I just don't like seeing religion mixed in government.  Religious schools are separated by law in regards to funding, and that is the way I think religion should be totally separated out of politics in general.  May not be a popular belief, but my humble and personal opinion.

That is not to say I think "morality" should not be part of legislation, but morality is somewhat different to religious beliefs.  The share some things, but there is a difference between morality and religions.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 09, 2015, 11:03:39 AM
LOL...even YOU took her insane actions as coming from the R's

Sadly there are moronic conservatives on both sides of the aisle.

But the breakdown is something like 99% in the republican party and 1% in the democratic party.

And that small percentage is mainly in the south.

Hell...could even be higher than that.
Proof that there are still conservatives that are D's:

The Most Political Obituary EVER

"Well, on Monday, Philadelphia native Elaine Fydrych‘s obituary was published by the South Jersey Times. After going through her hobbies and love of theater, she gave her mourners one last laugh with some important instructions.

“In lieu of flowers, please do not vote for Hillary Clinton.”

Fydrych’s widowed husband Joseph spoke to Fox about her last words, where he said that she was becoming increasingly distrustful of Clinton the more she heard about her.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY0RCoRwP5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY0RCoRwP5s)

Of course she was old and on her deathbed when she said that...which lends credence to my observation in another thread on how the word retired seems to have become synonymous with retarded.

Yep...the drip drip drip attacks from the right has had an effect on the gullible.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 11, 2015, 05:48:55 PM
14 years ago...   
 

http://www.ktvn.com/story/30012198/nation-marks-14th-anniversary-of-911-terrorist-attacks (http://www.ktvn.com/story/30012198/nation-marks-14th-anniversary-of-911-terrorist-attacks)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 11, 2015, 08:18:50 PM
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/sep/11/anti-fermi-groups-vow-continue-fight/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/sep/11/anti-fermi-groups-vow-continue-fight/)

Some people just protest to protest...   

They want to save the environment but not with clean energy it appears  ???

Probably funded by the Solar and Windmill lobbyist  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 11, 2015, 08:33:11 PM
Nuclear just has the high catastrophic risk element that concerns most people, I know it does me but for some reason I am mostly comfortable with it.  The reactors near fault lines and earthquake histories concern me, and there should be some sort of enforceable guidelines that dictate new construction locations.

Someone should plant a seed to Trump that perhaps we fill Mexico with those facilities.  I'm kidding of course, perhaps Canada.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 11, 2015, 08:41:39 PM
Put Nuclear plants along the Mexican Border!   what a great idea - they have the best security...  think of the millions we can save on Border Patrol alone!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 11, 2015, 08:49:22 PM
LOL.....I guess that could be a problem.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 11, 2015, 09:18:22 PM
Put Nuclear plants along the Mexican Border!   what a great idea - they have the best security...  think of the millions we can save on Border Patrol alone!

With all ventilation fan exhausts facing south......
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 15, 2015, 08:57:38 AM
Proof that there are still conservatives that are D's:

The Most Political Obituary EVER

"Well, on Monday, Philadelphia native Elaine Fydrych‘s obituary was published by the South Jersey Times. After going through her hobbies and love of theater, she gave her mourners one last laugh with some important instructions.

“In lieu of flowers, please do not vote for Hillary Clinton.”

Fydrych’s widowed husband Joseph spoke to Fox about her last words, where he said that she was becoming increasingly distrustful of Clinton the more she heard about her.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY0RCoRwP5s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY0RCoRwP5s)

Of course she was old and on her deathbed when she said that...which lends credence to my observation in another thread on how the word retired seems to have become synonymous with retarded.

Yep...the drip drip drip attacks from the right has had an effect on the gullible.

The gullible are the folks that believe Cenk Uygur.

Fydrych’s husband, Joseph, said in an interview that she followed the Benghazi hearings, and that began to turn her against Hillary.

When I watched the Benghazi hearings, they were only available on CSPAN.

#FoxFetish

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 15, 2015, 07:25:54 PM
Jade Helm has ended in Texas – you can come out of your bunkers now

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Jade-Helm-has-ended-in-Texas-you-can-come-out-6506307.php (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Jade-Helm-has-ended-in-Texas-you-can-come-out-6506307.php)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 15, 2015, 07:45:39 PM
The gullible are the folks that believe Cenk Uygur.

Fydrych’s husband, Joseph, said in an interview that she followed the Benghazi hearings, and that began to turn her against Hillary.

When I watched the Benghazi hearings, they were only available on CSPAN.

#FoxFetish
Well as your quote of me indicates...no mention of Fox news.

There are conservative democrats as well as conservative republicans.

The old and feeble-minded are more likely to be conservative...and gullible as well.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on September 16, 2015, 07:37:32 AM
Must be Michigan's economic recovery has been so great that we don't need these employees any longer...

maybe they could transfer them over to MDOT and they could work their magic on the roads ;) ;) ;)

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MI_STATE_LAYOFFS_MIOL-?SITE=MIMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MI_STATE_LAYOFFS_MIOL-?SITE=MIMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on September 16, 2015, 07:59:17 AM
I am not a fan of this woman, but U.S. Federal Laws do demand that an employer made reasonable accommodations:

The law requires an employer or other covered entity to reasonably accommodate an employee's religious beliefs or practices, unless doing so would cause more than a minimal burden on the operations of the employer's business. This means an employer may be required to make reasonable adjustments to the work environment that will allow an employee to practice his or her religion.

[url]http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm[/url] ([url]http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm[/url])


I know that is the law as far as private sectors go and so it most likely carries over to same or similar for employees in a government agency too.  However, in this case she was 'elected' to the job and is the head of that particular 'agency'. 

I understand that suddenly the rules have changed so she should make a decision to either uphold the 'new' rules (issue the licenses) or resign from the job.

I'm somewhat familiar with that area and her skillset from working all those years for her Mom in the clerk's office probably qualifies her for the midnight shift at the local Circle K...   considerably short of the $80K plus benefits she's making now. 

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 16, 2015, 11:01:46 AM
I see our neighbors to the south are likely to default on 1.3 million they owe to the regional jail. 

Wonder how many will end up in the Igloo if they are forced to close?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on September 16, 2015, 11:30:59 AM
I see our neighbors to the south are likely to default on 1.3 million they owe to the regional jail. 

Wonder how many will end up in the Igloo if they are forced to close?

And if Toledo can't pay what they previously agreed to pay to their own regional jail what makes you think they'll suddenly magically be able to pay Monroe County?

I thought Monroe County was already having jail overcrowding issues of our own ??? ??? ???

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 16, 2015, 08:53:35 PM


New Sabo art outside the the Reagan Presidential Library just in time for the debate:


(http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/rino-1024x512.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: T-M-T on September 16, 2015, 09:15:25 PM
This Republican debate started off pretty entertaining, but is quickly becoming boring. I hope Trump sticks around in the race for quite awhile.

The plane inside of a building reminds me of the last time we had a Republican president.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 16, 2015, 10:35:07 PM
This Republican debate started off pretty entertaining, but is quickly becoming boring. I hope Trump sticks around in the race for quite awhile.

The plane inside of a building reminds me of the last time we had a Republican president.

I agree.  Carly is extremely boring..........
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on September 16, 2015, 10:39:44 PM
Carly is real boring.. Might be a nice person but she doesn't have it
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on September 16, 2015, 10:55:25 PM
Carly is real boring.. Might be a nice person but she doesn't have it
Only watching in and out, but my view of Carly is much different. We'll wait for the talking heads to tell us what we should think of the three-hour extravaganza.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 16, 2015, 11:16:33 PM
"America is a lot of things, the greatest country in the world, absolutely," Rubio said, talking about climate change. "But America is not a planet."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/marco-rubio-america-not-planet (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/marco-rubio-america-not-planet)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on September 16, 2015, 11:29:43 PM
I didn't watch any of it but I haven't seen anything in Carly that I could vote for her..Unless she was the one running against Hillary or Bernie.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 17, 2015, 06:57:57 AM
Was it just me - or did CNN make that debate Trump vs the Field?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: lilly on September 17, 2015, 07:58:40 AM
Was it just me - or did CNN make that debate Trump vs the Field?
Actually a group of elephants is called a Parade not a field.

And in this case, it's a parade of stupidity.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 17, 2015, 08:05:51 AM
I thought it was the GOP clown car.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on September 18, 2015, 09:37:34 AM
Must be Michigan's economic recovery has been so great that we don't need these employees any longer...

maybe they could transfer them over to MDOT and they could work their magic on the roads ;) ;) ;)

[url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MI_STATE_LAYOFFS_MIOL-?SITE=MIMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT[/url] ([url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MI_STATE_LAYOFFS_MIOL-?SITE=MIMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT[/url])


Quote
"My main concern is we try to work hard with the people that are being displaced, seeing how we can help them be successful in whatever comes next in their careers. Because we want them to be successful," Snyder said.


Ah, yes...   Pure Michigan ;) ;) ;)

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_looki.html#incart_river (http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/michigan_gov_rick_snyder_looki.html#incart_river)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on September 18, 2015, 10:11:34 AM
Nothing like a nice quiet retreat to quaint Mackinac Island to bring out the 'best' in the political aides :o :o :o

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/john_yob_aide_to_rand_paul_cla.html#incart_m-rpt-2 (http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/09/john_yob_aide_to_rand_paul_cla.html#incart_m-rpt-2)

Quote
Michigan consultant John Yob, who is working as national political director for presidential candidate Rand Paul, alleges that a strategist on the Marco Rubio campaign punched him in the face, although a source tells MLive the incident was personal, not political.

"Last night I went to a bar on Mackinac Island for the GOP Mackinac Conference," Yob wrote early Friday morning on Facebook. "I ran into a guy named Rich Beeson, who frankly I didn't even know who it was at first because he isn't relevant in our political world.


I wonder if he became more 'relevant' after the altercation ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 18, 2015, 07:40:18 PM
And if Toledo can't pay what they previously agreed to pay to their own regional jail what makes you think they'll suddenly magically be able to pay Monroe County?

I thought Monroe County was already having jail overcrowding issues of our own ??? ??? ???


They could take the non-toledo prisoners... as the other units of government in the cooperative seem to be able to pay their share.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 18, 2015, 08:31:20 PM
When can we get beyond the PC stuff about the "First" this or that type of person (sex or race)?

=========================================
Obama nominates openly gay man to lead Army
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/eric-fanning-secretary-of-the-army/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/eric-fanning-secretary-of-the-army/index.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 18, 2015, 08:40:39 PM
When can we get beyond the PC stuff about the "First" this or that type of person (sex or race)?

=========================================
Obama nominates openly gay man to lead Army
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/eric-fanning-secretary-of-the-army/index.html[/url] ([url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/eric-fanning-secretary-of-the-army/index.html[/url])


I agree.  He is assumed qualified for the job.

Think there is a remote chance the republicans in the Senate will ignore he is gay and confirm him??
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 18, 2015, 08:46:53 PM
If they see it as a pure political appointment (which it is) - there could be some issues.

Qualifications for a political appointment are much different.   

He's been doing the job - now is just being given the title.  Not a big issue to me.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on September 19, 2015, 05:08:27 PM
Robert Reich

I got a call this morning from an old college friend who’s been a lifelong Republican (for years we’ve kidded one another about our respective politics), who told me he had decided to leave the GOP.

“It’s become the Party of hatemongers and know-nothings,” he said. “I’m embarrassed to be one of them.”
I asked him what had tipped him over the edge.

“Everything,” he said. “Their harangues against undocumented immigrants and promises to round them up and build a wall along the southern border. Their willingness to accept charges Obama is a Muslim and not born in America; that vaccines cause autism; that global warming is a hoax.”
“Yeah,” I said. “Pretty awful.”

“But that’s not all,” he said, becoming agitated. “It’s also their knee-jerk warmongering substituting for foreign policy. Their intolerance of a woman’s right to choose, and of gays’ and lesbians’ right to marry. Their willful suppression of black votes. Their racism!”

It was as if I’d opened a sluice gate. He went on, almost shouting: “Their incessant pandering to their wealthy funders by wanting even more tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, and then lying that the benefits will “trickle-down.” Their attacks on teachers. Cuts in school budgets. Eagerness to cut school lunches for poor kids…”

“Whoa,” I stopped him. “I get it. But these aren’t all new. Why did you stay a Republican all these years?”

He was silent for a moment. “Because I admired Mark Hatfield and Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits,” he said. “I supported Barry Goldwater and John McCain. They reflected my values. I kept thinking my Republican Party would come back. But now I know it’s dead. The Party is now a sinkhole of ignorance and bigotry.”

“So,” I asked with a smile in my voice, “does this mean you’re coming over to my side?”

“No,” he said, still deeply serious. “Not yet. For now I’m an Independent.”

“But you’ll vote for a Democrat in the presidential election?”

“Absolutely. The Republicans now running are all “a-- ----s.”
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 20, 2015, 10:19:57 AM
Robert Reich

I got a call this morning from an old college friend who’s been a lifelong Republican (for years we’ve kidded one another about our respective politics), who told me he had decided to leave the GOP.

“It’s become the Party of hatemongers and know-nothings,” he said. “I’m embarrassed to be one of them.”
I asked him what had tipped him over the edge.

“Everything,” he said. “Their harangues against undocumented immigrants and promises to round them up and build a wall along the southern border. Their willingness to accept charges Obama is a Muslim and not born in America; that vaccines cause autism; that global warming is a hoax.”
“Yeah,” I said. “Pretty awful.”

“But that’s not all,” he said, becoming agitated. “It’s also their knee-jerk warmongering substituting for foreign policy. Their intolerance of a woman’s right to choose, and of gays’ and lesbians’ right to marry. Their willful suppression of black votes. Their racism!”

It was as if I’d opened a sluice gate. He went on, almost shouting: “Their incessant pandering to their wealthy funders by wanting even more tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, and then lying that the benefits will “trickle-down.” Their attacks on teachers. Cuts in school budgets. Eagerness to cut school lunches for poor kids…”

“Whoa,” I stopped him. “I get it. But these aren’t all new. Why did you stay a Republican all these years?”

He was silent for a moment. “Because I admired Mark Hatfield and Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits,” he said. “I supported Barry Goldwater and John McCain. They reflected my values. I kept thinking my Republican Party would come back. But now I know it’s dead. The Party is now a sinkhole of ignorance and bigotry.”

“So,” I asked with a smile in my voice, “does this mean you’re coming over to my side?”

“No,” he said, still deeply serious. “Not yet. For now I’m an Independent.”

“But you’ll vote for a Democrat in the presidential election?”

“Absolutely. The Republicans now running are all “a-- ----s.”
Perfect, thanks for posting.

The irony here is the number of MT members that are fervent supporters of practically all of those GOP talking points...and yet cannot admit that they're republicans.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 02:05:22 PM
I see the news is all atwitter about whether the Republicans will once again shut the government down in a tantrum, or if the republican leadership can prevent it from being shut down by the more radical part of the party.

What happened to running the government instead of every damn thing having to be “for the party?”

But, all is well, the republican leadership has a plan for a few weeks stopgap to put it off.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 02:22:14 PM
I see the news is all atwitter about whether the Republicans will once again shut the government down in a tantrum, or if the republican leadership can prevent it from being shut down by the more radical part of the party.

What happened to running the government instead of every damn thing having to be “for the party?”

But, all is well, the republican leadership has a plan for a few weeks stopgap to put it off.
Yep lets ignore what would shut down the government however... 

Like the uncontrolled SPENDING...   
(we can always print more money)

No responsibilities is the message it seems from the lefties
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 02:23:39 PM
5 years later we are having a trial - will be interesting to see what is redacted under white house privilege - as Obama pardoned Holder's actions in that manner... 

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/09/23/us/ap-us-fast-and-furious-trial.html (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/09/23/us/ap-us-fast-and-furious-trial.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: lilly on September 24, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
The Republican Party is now a sinkhole of ignorance and bigotry.
I think I just found my new tag line.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 02:25:58 PM
Yep lets ignore what would shut down the government however... 

Like the uncontrolled SPENDING...   
(we can always print more money)

No responsibilities is the message it seems from the lefties

What?  I know you were up north, but you didn't hear ANY news since then.

You boys want to shut down the government if they can't defund planned parenthood.  It is a temper tantrum, not funding. 

But, then, us lefties just read news, so you can insult us anyway.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 02:28:01 PM
5 years later we are having a trial - will be interesting to see what is redacted under white house privilege - as Obama pardoned Holder's actions in that manner... 

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/09/23/us/ap-us-fast-and-furious-trial.html[/url] ([url]http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/09/23/us/ap-us-fast-and-furious-trial.html[/url])


I still don't get it.  I mean, fine, have a trial.  It is not that.  It is that this is just a continuation of a plan started by Bush.  Why is it that you find it bad when it was done in Obama time, but not when it started in the Bush years?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 24, 2015, 02:46:44 PM
Robert Reich

I got a call this morning from an old college friend who’s been a lifelong Republican (for years we’ve kidded one another about our respective politics), who told me he had decided to leave the GOP.

“It’s become the Party of hatemongers and know-nothings,” he said. “I’m embarrassed to be one of them.”
I asked him what had tipped him over the edge.

“Everything,” he said. “Their harangues against undocumented immigrants and promises to round them up and build a wall along the southern border. Their willingness to accept charges Obama is a Muslim and not born in America; that vaccines cause autism; that global warming is a hoax.”
“Yeah,” I said. “Pretty awful.”

“But that’s not all,” he said, becoming agitated. “It’s also their knee-jerk warmongering substituting for foreign policy. Their intolerance of a woman’s right to choose, and of gays’ and lesbians’ right to marry. Their willful suppression of black votes. Their racism!”

It was as if I’d opened a sluice gate. He went on, almost shouting: “Their incessant pandering to their wealthy funders by wanting even more tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, and then lying that the benefits will “trickle-down.” Their attacks on teachers. Cuts in school budgets. Eagerness to cut school lunches for poor kids…”

“Whoa,” I stopped him. “I get it. But these aren’t all new. Why did you stay a Republican all these years?”

He was silent for a moment. “Because I admired Mark Hatfield and Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits,” he said. “I supported Barry Goldwater and John McCain. They reflected my values. I kept thinking my Republican Party would come back. But now I know it’s dead. The Party is now a sinkhole of ignorance and bigotry.”

“So,” I asked with a smile in my voice, “does this mean you’re coming over to my side?”

“No,” he said, still deeply serious. “Not yet. For now I’m an Independent.”

“But you’ll vote for a Democrat in the presidential election?”

“Absolutely. The Republicans now running are all “a-- ----s.”

His buddy was what we call a "RINO."

He thought John McCain was great?

He was already a Liberal Democrat then.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 02:49:40 PM
I still don't get it.  I mean, fine, have a trial.  It is not that.  It is that this is just a continuation of a plan started by Bush.  Why is it that you find it bad when it was done in Obama time, but not when it started in the Bush years?
Well refresh my memory on how many guns were lost under the Bush plans?

The trial here is for the murder of a border patrol agent - goes to leadership and accountability of the plan that lost 1400 guns.   

You may not like it but Holder and Obama were those in Leadership at the time of this incident that is going to Trial.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 02:57:34 PM
Well refresh my memory on how many guns were lost under the Bush plans?

The trial here is for the murder of a border patrol agent - goes to leadership and accountability of the plan that lost 1400 guns.   

You may not like it but Holder and Obama were those in Leadership at the time of this incident that is going to Trial.

Gotcha.  Excuse that it started under Bush.  Only matters how you can blame.

Should give you many more days to be partisan.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 24, 2015, 03:04:46 PM
Well refresh my memory on how many guns were lost under the Bush plans?

The trial here is for the murder of a border patrol agent - goes to leadership and accountability of the plan that lost 1400 guns.   

You may not like it but Holder and Obama were those in Leadership at the time of this incident that is going to Trial.

Wasn't the Mexican Government working with the Bush team - and knew what was going on, and was tracking things?

But when Holder / Obama took over they expanded the program and cut the Mexican Government out of it - resulting in the weapons promptly disappearing?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 03:13:27 PM
Gotcha.  Excuse that it started under Bush.  Only matters how you can blame.

Should give you many more days to be partisan.



Okay and I gotcha down for blaming every future failed plan on whoever initiated it regardless of who is the manager during the actual incident...

That means the Housing crisis goes to the Dems... as Fannie Mae was Started by FDR   ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 03:18:02 PM
Wasn't the Mexican Government working with the Bush team - and knew what was going on, and was tracking things?

But when Holder / Obama took over they expanded the program and cut the Mexican Government out of it - resulting in the weapons promptly disappearing?

Shhh...   he's on a role -   

(http://marcstevens.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/stinking-facts.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 03:19:07 PM
Okay and I gotcha down for blaming every future failed plan on whoever initiated it regardless of who is the manager during the actual incident...

That means the Housing crisis goes to the Dems... as Fannie Mae was Started by FDR   ;)
I see, so that it started under Bush doesn't matter.

Okay, nothing more for me to say is there.

You want this to be about blame Obama and not much else.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 03:21:30 PM
Shhh...   he's on a role -   

([url]http://marcstevens.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/stinking-facts.jpg[/url])


Oh, sweet.  So the difference is that Bush did it and the Mexican government was a part of it, but when Obama did it the Mexicans were no longer a part of it.

Okay, now I get it. You blame Obama for not having the Mexicans be a part of it like Bush did.

republican logic is amazing stuff.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 24, 2015, 03:33:45 PM
Two different programs.

Review of ATF’s Project Gunrunner

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/ATF/e1101.pdf (https://oig.justice.gov/reports/ATF/e1101.pdf)

A Review of ATF’s Operation Fast and Furious and Related Matters (REDACTED)

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2012/s1209.pdf (https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2012/s1209.pdf)


_______________


Project Gunrunner (Wide Receiver)
Time:  2006
Location:  Tucson, Arizona
275 guns

What have Bush Administration officials said about Wide Receiver under their watch?

Former Bush Administration Attorney General Alberto Gonzales (Attorney General from Feb. 2005- Sept. 2007) has denied repeated interview and information requests made by CBS News. In a 2006 memo to the US Attorney's office, an ATF attorney outlined a gunwalking proposal from his agency and stated that he had "moral objections" to the idea. In an interview with CBS News, the US Attorney at the time, Paul Charlton, said he had no memory of the memo but that "I don't believe I would or ever did approve letting guns walk." However, we know the gunwalking operation proceeded anyway. (In a strange twist, Charlton is the lawyer for Brian Terry's family, but after questions about Wide Receiver, handed the lead role in the case to a partner ). Gonzales' successor, Michael Mukasey (Attorney General from Nov. 2007-Jan. 2009) has provided no public comment. At a Senate Judiciary hearing on June 12, 2012 Holder claimed Mukasey "was briefed" on gunwalking tactics in Wide Receiver "and did nothing to stop them - nothing." When Sen. Grassley asked Holder's office to provide any evidence to back the claim, Holder retracted it saying the statement was "inadvertent."


Operation Fast and Furious
Time:  2009
Location:  Phoenix, Arizona
2,000+ guns

What is Attorney General Holder's position on what-he-knew-when?

Holder has consistently denied knowing anything about gunwalking within his agency when it was occurring. ATF is a division of Holder's Justice Department. He asked the Justice Department Inspector General to investigate in late February 2011. That investigation is ongoing. Holder has answered Congressional questions on Fast and Furious at nine hearings. On May 3, 2011 he told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks." Yet documents show that at least ten months before the hearing, frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious were addressed to Holder. There were memos dating as far back as July 2010 to Holder from Breuer and the head of the National Drug Intelligence Center. However, the Justice Department says Holder didn't read the memos, and that any mention of Fast and Furious did not discuss the controversial gunwalking tactics. The Justice Department also said that Holder misunderstood the question at the May 3, 2011 hearing and that, while he heard of Fast and Furious much earlier than he'd stated, he meant to say that he hadn't heard specifically about any gunwalking.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-primer-on-the-fast-and-furious-scandal/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-primer-on-the-fast-and-furious-scandal/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 03:35:06 PM
I see, so that it started under Bush doesn't matter.

Okay, nothing more for me to say is there.

You want this to be about blame Obama and not much else.


That reply tells me you've not been in Management ever...

You think you can pass off responsibility to a previous person - even if you are the one in charge during the event?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 03:36:38 PM
Never mind that Obama shielded Holders LIES...  look a squirrel.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 03:48:35 PM
That reply tells me you've not been in Management ever...

You think you can pass off responsibility to a previous person - even if you are the one in charge during the event?

Once again you cry that everything is completely different because it is democrats and excuse your republicans.

Amazing how you always excuse republicans in your zeal to attack democrats.

I am just fine with a trial.  I can wait for the result without your daily partisan spin.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 04:42:30 PM
That “shut down the government” talk got me thinking.

It was a staple here complaining that there was no budget yet.

With the House and Senate Republican there STILL is no budget?

They are talking of passing a short term one again?

But, the republicans here were saying we needed to elect republicans to rectify that.

Hmmmmmmm.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on September 24, 2015, 05:19:36 PM
Of course Obama shielded Holder.  He used him to stir up the racism.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 24, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Shhh...   he's on a role -   

marcstevens.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/stinking-facts
Roll.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 10:32:19 PM
Once again you cry that everything is completely different because it is democrats and excuse your republicans.

Amazing how you always excuse republicans in your zeal to attack democrats.

I am just fine with a trial.  I can wait for the result without your daily partisan spin.
Funny how you throw around terms like Always and YOU... 

but rarely cite your source for using those terms. 

I see you bowed out of the discussion of who is responsible - current management or someone in the past  ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
Roll.
You get the gold star this week...   

too bad you can't correct factual errors - like who's responsible when they are in office,  the office holder of the one prior   ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 24, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
You get the gold star this week...   

too bad you can't correct factual errors - like who's responsible when they are in office,  the office holder of the one prior   ;)
Try being more specific.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 24, 2015, 10:50:58 PM
That “shut down the government” talk got me thinking.

It was a staple here complaining that there was no budget yet.

With the House and Senate Republican there STILL is no budget?

They are talking of passing a short term one again?

But, the republicans here were saying we needed to elect republicans to rectify that.

Hmmmmmmm.

Looks to me like Duck tried to change the subject.

So by Duck logic the housing crisis / economic melt down is on the Democrats for sure.

FDR started Fannie Mae.
Carter got the legislation to sell houses to people who couldn't afford them.
Clinton unleashed that legislation.
Clinton removed much of the Regulations on the banks.

Everything that led to that mess started under Democrats.

So I guess by your logic that whole mess wasn't George Bush's fault after all Duck?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 24, 2015, 10:57:49 PM
Looks to me like Duck tried to change the subject.

So by Duck logic the housing crisis / economic melt down is on the Democrats for sure.

FDR started Fannie Mae.
Carter got the legislation to sell houses to people who couldn't afford them.
Clinton unleashed that legislation.
Clinton removed much of the Regulations on the banks.

Everything that led to that mess started under Democrats.

So I guess by your logic that whole mess wasn't George Bush's fault after all Duck?
Ignoring your glaring erroneous errors...it appears that you're in favor of government regulations.
Which is the correct position to have...I'm just astonished to see that you inadvertently admitted it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 24, 2015, 11:01:26 PM
Ignoring your glaring erroneous errors...it appears that you're in favor of government regulations.
Which is the correct position to have...I'm just astonished to see that you inadvertently admitted it.

I believe repealing the Glass-Steagall Act was a mistake.

Bill Clinton does not agree.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 24, 2015, 11:06:40 PM
I believe repealing the Glass-Steagall Act was a mistake.

Bill Clinton does not agree.
I wasn't aware that Bill felt that way. Are you sure?

Repeal of Glass-Steagall Caused the Financial Crisis
The repeal of the law separating commercial and investment banking caused the 2008 financial crisis.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 24, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
I wasn't aware that Bill felt that way. Are you sure?

Repeal of Glass-Steagall Caused the Financial Crisis
The repeal of the law separating commercial and investment banking caused the 2008 financial crisis.
[url]http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis[/url] ([url]http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis[/url])


USA Today had an article this week.

Go find it and read it if you care.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 24, 2015, 11:20:08 PM
USA Today had an article this week.

Go find it and read it if you care.
Found it:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/09/22/hilary-clinton-deregulation-dodd-frank-glass-steagall-banks/72616930/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/09/22/hilary-clinton-deregulation-dodd-frank-glass-steagall-banks/72616930/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on September 24, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Found it:
[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/09/22/hilary-clinton-deregulation-dodd-frank-glass-steagall-banks/72616930/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/09/22/hilary-clinton-deregulation-dodd-frank-glass-steagall-banks/72616930/[/url])


Good job.

Your Google skills are impeccable.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 11:45:03 PM
Try being more specific.
If you are jumping into a discussion you should know - if you are just trolling for spelling errors - then I can't help you much...

there is a contention by a member that the person in charge when a program started is responsible for actions of others even after his time in that position is completed and someone else steps in...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 25, 2015, 12:05:55 AM
If you are jumping into a discussion you should know - if you are just trolling for spelling errors - then I can't help you much...

there is a contention by a member that the person in charge when a program started is responsible for actions of others even after his time in that position is completed and someone else steps in...
Actually you could help just by learning from your mistakes rather than continually repeating them.

You see...no mistakes would mean no need for correction.

Your assumption that a contribution is required to follow some narrow-focused arbitrary narrative is a bit presumptuous.

But to your point, what you've said was a generalization...and in my opinion...there are many things to consider depending on the specifics.

One has to consider all the factors of why something went one way, or didn't

The President isn't a dictator...and even when they have all their ducks in row, so to speak, sometimes a little political give and take is necessary.

Well I've spent more time on this than I wanted to...so I'm moving on.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 25, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
I gave you the general idea - the previous posts were more specific...

and I spend plenty of time skim/reading and only look when the red squiggly line appears under a word I've typed - so those spelled correct but mean something other are "close enough for jazz" to me 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on September 25, 2015, 02:55:04 PM
Try being more specific.

There was that time that Carter pardoned Nixon.


Carter was elected when he promised truth in government...in the wake of failure of Nixon.
Sadly his failure is that he pardoned that republican.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 25, 2015, 05:48:42 PM
LOL  nice catch -   Fry didn't know it was Ford eh?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 25, 2015, 10:25:21 PM
I see Boner is RIP next month, he's resigning.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on September 27, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
I see as new things appear that Hillary can't explain - the Clinton's are blaming it on her new morning drink    Ice Mocha... 


(http://www.ineedtolol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ice-mocha-600x598.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on September 27, 2015, 10:55:57 AM
Thanks.......I just found my next screen saver!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on September 28, 2015, 09:22:21 PM
There was that time that Carter pardoned Nixon.
Well your culling through my old posts finally found an obvious error.

So congrats for spending your time so wisely.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 05, 2015, 04:59:15 PM
Interesting that Liberal land... (California) has decided it's okay to kill yourself if you are dying.

Kevorkian would be proud

http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-end-of-life-bill-20151005-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-end-of-life-bill-20151005-story.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on October 05, 2015, 05:17:39 PM
Euthanasia is another one of those hot button topics.  Personally, and I know that this is easy to say now, but if I were found to be terminal and the pain was just getting to be too much to tolerate......I'd want to pull the plug.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 05, 2015, 05:25:06 PM
Euthanasia is another one of those hot button topics.  Personally, and I know that this is easy to say now, but if I were found to be terminal and the pain was just getting to be too much to tolerate......I'd want to pull the plug.
Yeah but going out with a bang... (strippers, doobies, and a nice pour)   isn't on the California menu...

I'd say more like the point of time when you are no longer able to function without all the pain meds they dope you up with - instead of 6 months from then. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on October 05, 2015, 06:02:00 PM
LOL......ok, I changed my mind.

Stripper treatment and then the lethal dose that takes me to my final euphoria! 

It would have to be miserable struggling for your last breath and in so much pain......I think I'd take the chicken way out.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 05, 2015, 08:28:19 PM
nothing chicken about not wanting to suffer - it's the fact that 6 months out when you are still going great and may have even a few more months with family that I take issues with.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on October 05, 2015, 09:25:00 PM
Understandable............and a hard call to make.  I wouldn't want to miss a second of being with my children, but then again I don't want to suffer and make them suffer as well watching what is inevitable.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 08, 2015, 10:45:51 PM
LOL   the  Energy police will be busy in NYC...   Maybe they can ride around with the Large Pop Police

NEW YORK (AP) — A new law requires that New York City stores and restaurants keep their front doors closed when their air conditioning is on.

The bill, which Mayor Bill de Blasio signed into law on Wednesday, goes into effect next summer.

The New York Times (http://nyti.ms/1GxB4mD (http://nyti.ms/1GxB4mD) ) reports that the mayor said leaving doors wide open when air conditioning is blasting is a waste of energy.

Violators face fines of $250 for a first offense and up to $1,000 for an egregious violation
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on October 09, 2015, 06:49:04 AM
LOL   the  Energy police will be busy in NYC...   Maybe they can ride around with the Large Pop Police

NEW YORK (AP) — A new law requires that New York City stores and restaurants keep their front doors closed when their air conditioning is on.

The bill, which Mayor Bill de Blasio signed into law on Wednesday, goes into effect next summer.

The New York Times ([url]http://nyti.ms/1GxB4mD[/url] ([url]http://nyti.ms/1GxB4mD[/url]) ) reports that the mayor said leaving doors wide open when air conditioning is blasting is a waste of energy.

Violators face fines of $250 for a first offense and up to $1,000 for an egregious violation


Maybe they're just trying to fight global warming.  Sharing their cool air with the world!!!!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 09, 2015, 09:22:12 AM
NYC missed the keep your door closed in the winter time law... 

Can't imagine why they only chose one season to regulate?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on October 09, 2015, 09:37:59 AM
I saw the first local ____ for President sign a few days ago...

it was a banner mounted in the back of a pickup parked in a driveway on S. Dixie south of Albain.  Not sure yet if it's a permanent installation there or just someone visiting.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 09, 2015, 10:05:37 AM
I saw the first local ____ for President sign a few days ago...

it was a banner mounted in the back of a pickup parked in a driveway on S. Dixie south of Albain.  Not sure yet if it's a permanent installation there or just someone visiting.

If you drive past our place you'll see a ______ for President sign in the front yard.  Been there for a month now....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on October 09, 2015, 11:02:23 AM
I see an article on the front page of the paper today about the jail being 'over' capacity and various methods they're using to deal with the issue.

I wonder how long before they ask the taxpayers for more taxes for a bigger jail ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on October 09, 2015, 01:08:07 PM
I see an article on the front page of the paper today about the jail being 'over' capacity and various methods they're using to deal with the issue.

I wonder how long before they ask the taxpayers for more taxes for a bigger jail ??? ??? ???

Maybe we could just release all the pot smokers instead?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 09, 2015, 04:44:44 PM
I see an article on the front page of the paper today about the jail being 'over' capacity and various methods they're using to deal with the issue.

I wonder how long before they ask the taxpayers for more taxes for a bigger jail ??? ??? ???
Room for two more floors was built in the design  ;D

... and what exactly was the life expectancy of the Igloo jail?

That will have to be replaced in the future as well.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on October 12, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
Robert Reich

Here’s what we know about Millennials (who range in age from mid-20s to mid-30s) and the economy, according to various recent surveys:

1. They’re burdened by more debt and less income than Gen X or baby boomers. They owe, on average, more than $35,000 on their student loans.

2. They have more financial responsibilities to their parents. Last year 20 percent supported an aging parent, spending an average of $18,250 on medical bills and other expenses — more than any other generation (according to TD Ameritrade's recent 2015 Financial Support survey).

3. They’re having a harder time finding a good job. Even those with college degrees are paid less than holders of college degrees a decade ago, adjusted for inflation. Almost half with college degrees are in work that doesn’t require a college degree. 23 percent are underemployed (according to Anthony Carnevale, director of the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce).

4. As a result of these financial burdens, more than half are delaying buying a house, 29 percent are delaying marriage, and 38 percent delaying children.

If you're a millennial, does the game seem especially rigged against you?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on October 12, 2015, 10:48:57 PM
And almost all of those conditions are the result of government screwing things up.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on October 13, 2015, 11:06:03 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on October 13, 2015, 11:16:40 PM
Robert Reich

It’s commonly argued in Republican circles that Social Security is in crisis and the only way to fix it is to raise the age of eligibility for Social Security benefits. Chris Christie wants to boost the eligibility age to 69, for example. (The current retirement age is 66; for those born after 1960, it’s 67.)

What Republicans don’t say is that this change would have a hugely regressive impact – harming America’s poor far more than the rich. That’s because the poor die much earlier than the rich. In fact, according to a recent report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, the gap is widening. A 50-year-old man in the poorest fifth of income can now expect to live to age 70, while his counterpart in the richest fifth will live to age 83. Which means the poorer man will collect only a year of Social Security under the Christie plan. (That 13-year gap between average lifespans of rich and poor is the widest on record, suggesting that widening inequality is taking a harsh toll on health. In 1980, the gap was just 5 years.)

Bernie Sanders wouldn’t raise the retirement age. Instead, he’d boost Social Security benefits. How? By raising the cap on income subject to Social Security (it’s now $118,500).

And of course the rich that stop paying at $118,500 will be the ones collecting the most.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 14, 2015, 08:48:58 AM
Using facts pre-obmacare to make a post obamacare case - Interesting... 

How about putting more Americans to work - with better wages?

Even Hillary says all the current trade deals (including her husbands NAFTA) need to be thrown out... 

Repatriate our cash and manufacturing jobs is what would help.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on October 14, 2015, 09:57:42 AM
Hillary must be listening to Trump about what to do with the trade deals
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 14, 2015, 12:34:15 PM
I see an article on the front page of the paper today about the jail being 'over' capacity and various methods they're using to deal with the issue.

I wonder how long before they ask the taxpayers for more taxes for a bigger jail ??? ??? ???

Interesting statistic came out of the debate last night...  I didn't know that we have more people incarcerated in this country than any other country in the world.  Interesting.

With all those 'inmates' why don't we (government) put them to work cleaning ditches, building roads, cleaning up refuse....like Joe Arpaio does in Phoenix....  because it's not right to force them to actually work....  bullshitte.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on October 17, 2015, 06:48:47 PM
So I was out campaigning today....

Knocking on doors....

Talking to people...

Handing out literature...

Putting up yard signs...

Now - keep in mind - this is for Monroe City Council - and it is a "Non Partisan" Election.

Now - believe it or not - and I have no doubt that some on here will call me a liar, but the guy I am campaigning for considers himself a Democrat, and has in fact been active in the local Democratic Party. 

This is proof that I do on occasion support people who are Democrats, and in fact will take my time to help them campaign.

Anyway - as I knocked on doors I would explain what the individual was running for council for, their background, what they wanted to accomplish, their positions on issues. 

Several people would ask what the Party Affiliation was, and I would honestly tell them what I knew - without knowing whether it was a positive or a negative.  In the cases where it was clear that it was seen as a positive - I just let it go.  When the person rolled their eyes and said no way - then I had to say hey - I'm a pretty conservative person - and I am often accused of being a Republican, and I am out here campaigning for this person because I think it would be a big upgrade on Council, and he would be fiscally responsible, fight for responsible upgrade in services, and bring a common sense approach that has been lacking.

Anyhow - it amazed me how many people held his Party Affiliation against him....

Maybe I should have withheld it....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 17, 2015, 10:22:59 PM
So I was out campaigning today....

Knocking on doors....

Talking to people...

Handing out literature...

Putting up yard signs...

Now - keep in mind - this is for Monroe City Council - and it is a "Non Partisan" Election.

Now - believe it or not - and I have no doubt that some on here will call me a liar, but the guy I am campaigning for considers himself a Democrat, and has in fact been active in the local Democratic Party. 

This is proof that I do on occasion support people who are Democrats, and in fact will take my time to help them campaign.

Anyway - as I knocked on doors I would explain what the individual was running for council for, their background, what they wanted to accomplish, their positions on issues. 

Several people would ask what the Party Affiliation was, and I would honestly tell them what I knew - without knowing whether it was a positive or a negative.  In the cases where it was clear that it was seen as a positive - I just let it go.  When the person rolled their eyes and said no way - then I had to say hey - I'm a pretty conservative person - and I am often accused of being a Republican, and I am out here campaigning for this person because I think it would be a big upgrade on Council, and he would be fiscally responsible, fight for responsible upgrade in services, and bring a common sense approach that has been lacking.

Anyhow - it amazed me how many people held his Party Affiliation against him....

Maybe I should have withheld it....

You're that worried the Mayor won't be re-elected?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on October 17, 2015, 10:40:08 PM
Interesting statistic came out of the debate last night...  I didn't know that we have more people incarcerated in this country than any other country in the world.  Interesting.

With all those 'inmates' why don't we (government) put them to work cleaning ditches, building roads, cleaning up refuse....like Joe Arpaio does in Phoenix....  because it's not right to force them to actually work....  bullshitte.
That must be per capita. We have more in prison than China and India? I doubt it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 18, 2015, 08:36:47 PM
I must say that either Trump is pretty popular out here or someone is pretty cheap out here....

Someone absconded with my 'Trump for President' sign I had in the fromt yard a couple nights ago.  It wasn't free but thats ok.  I guess someone needed one....

If I put a 'Hilliary for President' sign out front, it would probably be there until it faded into oblivion... ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on October 18, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
I must say that either Trump is pretty popular out here or someone is pretty cheap out here....

Someone absconded with my 'Trump for President' sign I had in the fromt yard a couple nights ago.  It wasn't free but thats ok.  I guess someone needed one....

If I put a 'Hilliary for President' sign out front, it would probably be there until it faded into oblivion... ;D

What do you want to bet the Fry came out and took it?

We know he knows where you live!

He was probably out looking for his trampoline....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on October 19, 2015, 08:49:41 AM
What do you want to bet the Fry came out and took it?

We know he knows where you live!

He was probably out looking for his trampoline....
Wrong as usual but you should be used to it by now.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on October 21, 2015, 09:47:54 PM
Robert Reich

The billionaire takeover of our democracy ushered in by the Supreme Court’s shameful 2010 “Citizens United” decision knows no bounds. Today Carl Icahn – whose net worth is over $20 billion, according to Forbes -- announced he’s forming a super PAC with $150 million of his own money.

If there is one person responsible for turning American corporations into the short-term, shareholder-maximizing, job-destroying monoliths they've become over the last 35 years, it is Carl Icahn. He began raiding corporations in the late 1970s – taking them over, using their assets to repay the debt he used to purchase them with, stripping them of their remaining assets, firing their workers, and then walking away with millions. America is littered with the remains of Ichan’s greed – RJR Nabisco, TWA, Western Union, Uniroyal, Marshall Field’s, to name only a few. Before Icahn, CEOs practiced stakeholder capitalism -- managing corporations on behalf of their workers and communities as well as shareholders. After Icahn, it was only shareholder capitalism, and the biggest shareholders were in the driver's seat.

Not incidentally, Icahn is a major supporter of Donald Trump for president. "I think at this moment in time, he's the only candidate that speaks out about the country's problems," Icahn says. Trump says he’d name Icahn his Treasury Secretary.

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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Mayonnaise on October 24, 2015, 06:10:50 PM
Wondering why we got a City of Monroe Fire and Paramedic Station Millage Proposal in the mail.

We're in Monroe Township. Unless we got annexed out and wasn't told. ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on October 24, 2015, 06:42:41 PM
guys like Ican have ruined a lot of good corporations.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on October 24, 2015, 06:52:56 PM
Wondering why we got a City of Monroe Fire and Paramedic Station Millage Proposal in the mail.

We're in Monroe Township. Unless we got annexed out and wasn't told. ;)

Maybe they are hoping Township Voters will push it through?

My tax dollars at work MAYO......
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 24, 2015, 10:00:42 PM
What do you want to bet the Fry came out and took it?

We know he knows where you live!

He was probably out looking for his trampoline....

If I get another one, I'll wire an electric fencer to the metal frame....  That will get a thief's attention real quick....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 24, 2015, 11:04:35 PM
Wondering why we got a City of Monroe Fire and Paramedic Station Millage Proposal in the mail.

We're in Monroe Township. Unless we got annexed out and wasn't told. ;)
Probably cheaper to just mass mail than target...   after all the City planners and such didn't put much thought or effort into this - just hoping it will go through so they can get back to their regular jobs of doing little in the planning or social media areas...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 24, 2015, 11:07:29 PM
Are we ready for negative interest rates?

http://www.businessinsider.com/banks-discussing-negative-interest-rates-for-consumers-2015-10?r=UK&IR=T (http://www.businessinsider.com/banks-discussing-negative-interest-rates-for-consumers-2015-10?r=UK&IR=T)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on October 25, 2015, 09:59:10 AM
Are we ready for negative interest rates?

[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/banks-discussing-negative-interest-rates-for-consumers-2015-10?r=UK&IR=T[/url] ([url]http://www.businessinsider.com/banks-discussing-negative-interest-rates-for-consumers-2015-10?r=UK&IR=T[/url])


Let me get this straight.....

If I put the money in the gun safe - I get 0 Percent.

If I give it to someone else to store, and lend out to others at a profit - I have to pay them to use my money?

I'll just keep it in the gun safe myself thanks.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on October 25, 2015, 10:08:01 AM
Let me get this straight.....

If I put the money in the gun safe - I get 0 Percent.

If I give it to someone else to store, and lend out to others at a profit - I have to pay them to use my money?

I'll just keep it in the gun safe myself thanks.

Exactly.

It's almost that way now.  But I would suggest gold, for long term stashing of cash.

Wonder what this will do to mortgage rates?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 25, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
Let me get this straight.....

If I put the money in the gun safe - I get 0 Percent.

If I give it to someone else to store, and lend out to others at a profit - I have to pay them to use my money?

I'll just keep it in the gun safe myself thanks.

I'd call what they pay right now - nothing,   that's why alternative investments are more popular.

Keeping some cash on hand is always a good Idea - but you might want to invest in a good security system and safe...   for the times you aren't home.      Can't insure cash or gold that I'm' aware of.   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on October 25, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
Exactly.

It's almost that way now.  But I would suggest gold, for long term stashing of cash.

Wonder what this will do to mortgage rates?

I've been leaning towards Silver - but maybe I should consider Gold too.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on October 25, 2015, 10:45:57 AM
I've been leaning towards Silver - but maybe I should consider Gold too.....

I have a former co-worker who invested heavily in silver over his career and did quite well,
physical delivery - not futures or contracts ...  but then again there's another thread on this topic

Rudolph - Silver & Gold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CirrRY_6aaU#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 25, 2015, 05:50:32 PM
I've been leaning towards Silver - but maybe I should consider Gold too.....

You can purchase .999 pure silver in 308 replica rounds.  An ammo box of 50 tucked away in your gun safe would be a nice solid investment.....  (don't ask how I know)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 25, 2015, 05:51:59 PM
Platnium ain't bad either and if you are cheap, you can get copper replica bullets too.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on October 25, 2015, 06:03:51 PM
Wondering why we got a City of Monroe Fire and Paramedic Station Millage Proposal in the mail.

We're in Monroe Township. Unless we got annexed out and wasn't told. ;)

We best not have been......I have been trash talking since I moved to our neighborhood in 2001.   :D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 25, 2015, 06:49:05 PM
Platnium ain't bad either and if you are cheap, you can get copper replica bullets too.


Almost forgot... www.jmbullion.com (http://www.jmbullion.com)  Good folks.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on October 29, 2015, 07:19:30 PM

This is pretty funny:

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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 04, 2015, 08:24:12 AM
Sounds like a plan may pass for the Road funding...  just in time for winter!

...  7.3 cent tax
20% raise in registration fee's

Not sure if anything else was hidden but I guess it will get our gas back in line being 10 higher than Ohio... as that had gone down recently.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on November 04, 2015, 08:35:26 AM
Sounds like a plan may pass for the Road funding...  just in time for winter!

...  7.3 cent tax
20% raise in registration fee's

Not sure if anything else was hidden but I guess it will get our gas back in line being 10 higher than Ohio... as that had gone down recently.

I've noticed that too...   

Three out of the last four times we've used our Kroger Reward points we've bought gas in Monroe rather than Toledo!  And it has been not just 'even' but actually lower by .109 to .129! 

I kind of wondered what is up with that ??? ??? ???

Must be a trick!!!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on November 04, 2015, 08:36:49 AM
Sounds like a plan may pass for the Road funding...  just in time for winter!

...  7.3 cent tax
20% raise in registration fee's

Not sure if anything else was hidden but I guess it will get our gas back in line being 10 higher than Ohio... as that had gone down recently.
Democrats were almost unanimous in their opposition, saying the plan was not only fiscally irresponsible for shifting $600 million in general fund dollars to the roads without identifying where those cuts would come from, but also that it doesn't get fully phased in until 2021.

"The majority party is saying it’s okay to kick that fiscal plan down the road," said House Minority Leader Tim Greimel. "The worst part of this entire package, it won’t even be phased in till 2021. This is a sham, it’s a joke, it’s a pretense.".
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/03/road-funding-talks-continue-capitol/75087586/ (http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/03/road-funding-talks-continue-capitol/75087586/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 04, 2015, 04:56:19 PM
I see from yesterdays MN - the City took some advice I gave on here!

Hired a director of communications to actually do things that they've been outsourcing such as the flawed campaign for the new fire station.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 04, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
I see from yesterdays MN - the City took some advice I gave on here!

Hired a director of communications to actually do things that they've been outsourcing such as the flawed campaign for the new fire station.

I thought the Firemen did a great job of promoting it.

I even told them so.

I am just not going to vote more taxes on myself again.

The Bridges were my last burst of generosity.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 04, 2015, 11:27:55 PM
I thought the Firemen did a great job of promoting it.

I even told them so.

I am just not going to vote more taxes on myself again.

The Bridges were my last burst of generosity.
What no Library support in your future?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on November 05, 2015, 12:02:35 PM
I have had several discussions around the family table regarding libraries and the usefulness/purpose to a community.  I told my family that had I had the internet at my finger tips while being a student that I most likely would have never visited the library.

I see value in a building that has several computer seats for internet research for those who do not have home access, recent news/magazine publications.......but outside of that, not much should be required. 

Personally, I would not vote for an increase in taxes to support or expand the library system.  I think they should be downsizing.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 05, 2015, 12:44:55 PM
I have had several discussions around the family table regarding libraries and the usefulness/purpose to a community.  I told my family that had I had the internet at my finger tips while being a student that I most likely would have never visited the library.

I see value in a building that has several computer seats for internet research for those who do not have home access, recent news/magazine publications.......but outside of that, not much should be required. 

Personally, I would not vote for an increase in taxes to support or expand the library system.  I think they should be downsizing.

People tend to forget that the library gets hundreds of thousands of dollars from the state of Michigan every year in the form of overweight fines from MDOT.  They don't need additional funding.  Drive by the weigh scales and keep in mind every reuck around back is contributing to the library.....

I would never vote for any tax-millage-or endowment for them.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 05, 2015, 07:01:10 PM
I have had several discussions around the family table regarding libraries and the usefulness/purpose to a community.  I told my family that had I had the internet at my finger tips while being a student that I most likely would have never visited the library.

I see value in a building that has several computer seats for internet research for those who do not have home access, recent news/magazine publications.......but outside of that, not much should be required. 

Personally, I would not vote for an increase in taxes to support or expand the library system.  I think they should be downsizing.

I think it would be more beneficial to make the county a WIFI Hotspot - we'd probably all die of cancer - but oh well - and the ones who couldn't afford a computer could come in and get their free one.  I think it would probably cost less.

I can access the U of M Library collection from my laptop.

All the books I read are in electronic format now.

Why do we need more buildings at this point of history?

I went to a meeting and said that.

I suggested using the empty third floor of the City Hall to make a technology library, with computers wall to wall.  They could get the computers donated by corporations who are updating their equipment - it would be a nice tax write off for them.

They all looked at me like I was a retard.

Whatever.

Someones out of touch, and its not me.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on November 05, 2015, 07:04:53 PM
But where would all the old ladies hold their meetings? 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 05, 2015, 07:08:08 PM
But where would all the old ladies hold their meetings?

We already have a place for that in the City of Monroe.

Its called the Sawyer House.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 05, 2015, 09:55:34 PM
We already have a place for that in the City of Monroe.

Its called the Sawyer House.
Now that the Park system isn't interested..  it will be back available for the public I guess.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on November 07, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
I think it would be more beneficial to make the county a WIFI Hotspot - we'd probably all die of cancer - but oh well - and the ones who couldn't afford a computer could come in and get their free one.  I think it would probably cost less.

I can access the U of M Library collection from my laptop.

All the books I read are in electronic format now.

Why do we need more buildings at this point of history?

I went to a meeting and said that.

I suggested using the empty third floor of the City Hall to make a technology library, with computers wall to wall.  They could get the computers donated by corporations who are updating their equipment - it would be a nice tax write off for them.

They all looked at me like I was a retard.

Whatever.

Someones out of touch, and its not me.

Makes sense to me as well......even the part about what they looked at you as.  (Before you get bent, I am joking).

Do you know what the cost would be to make the entire county a hot spot?  I have no clue what that cost would be but it would certainly weigh in as part of the equation in centralizing/downsizing the public library operation.  Hell, let the library system set it up and administer it with the revenue that comes in from truck fines.

I just happen to think that technology has really put a dent in the need of huge library buildings and branch facilities. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 07, 2015, 10:30:14 AM
I need to get a couple "Hillary for Prison" stickers for the bumpers....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 07, 2015, 08:28:06 PM
I need to get a couple "Hillary for Prison" stickers for the bumpers....

If you see them - pick me up one?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 07, 2015, 11:33:53 PM
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(http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server1200/2m3qch/products/497/images/1302/Decal_Hillary_Prison__16894.1435282021.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on November 08, 2015, 09:04:11 AM

I think it would be more beneficial to make the county a WIFI Hotspot
They all looked at me like I was a retard.

Whatever.

That would be a great idea, but do you remember how much trouble the county had just trying to make the new police/fire radio system work. It took years.



Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 08, 2015, 09:17:09 AM
That would be a great idea, but do you remember how much trouble the county had just trying to make the new police/fire radio system work. It took years.




I thought it would have been a great idea for downtown...  but I guess the logistics of putting wifi isn't something that Custer left a blueprint for... 

Maybe the new technology friendly/social media rep for the City can change this.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 10, 2015, 01:43:34 PM
I know some "professors" are liberals...   ;D

It appears that one involved in the Missouri boycotts and demands for firings are against free speech as well...

I'm sure this professor has the protections however and won't be disciplined  8*

The Washington Post (Justin Wm. Moyer and Michael E. Miller, Morning Mix) reports, “Video shows U. of Missouri protesters and professor barring media coverage.” (Of course, asking people to stop photographing is itself protected speech; a crowd’s deliberately physically pushing photographers out of the way is not.)

The professor, whom the New York Times (Austin Huguelet & Daniel Victor) identifies as Melissa Click, is shown on the video (06:23) as calling for “Hey, who wants to help me get this reporter out of here! I need some muscle over here!” Prof. Click is a professor in the University of Missouri Communication Department. Check out the Moyer and Miller post for more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/10/the-anti-free-speech-movement-at-the-university-of-missouri/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/10/the-anti-free-speech-movement-at-the-university-of-missouri/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 10, 2015, 05:41:53 PM
That would be a great idea, but do you remember how much trouble the county had just trying to make the new police/fire radio system work. It took years.

You are right.

And they never did get the GPS system working for the County Road Commission.

Maybe have ATT do it?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on November 10, 2015, 06:36:05 PM

It appears the Missouri boycotts and demands for firings are against free speech as well...

I'm not up on all the details that led to the protest other than the claim that a couple of students were called N-----.  While that is a no-no for caucasians to say, it's a common term for blacks to use between themselves.

The point I am wondering about is . . . 

Demanding and getting the President of a University to resign for something like this seems like it sets a very dangerous precedent. Now, after they hire another president, will he be required to step down the next time someone calls a black person a N-----?  If a black person calls a white person a honky, can a group demand the firing of a college president?

Before you just say no, think about why it would be any different.

A damn football team should not have the power to dictate University policy.
I realize there was $1million at stake, but a college is primarily for education, not sports anyway.

Other than teaching a few students that this country is so F----- U- with political correctness that they can write their own rules any time someone calls them a derogatory name, what good is it going to do by putting someone out of a job. Hell, he wasn't the one who called them anything. How is getting rid of him going to stop the next idiot from calling names. These students better get a lot tougher skin, because when they go out in the real world, there are a lot more things to make a stink about than someone calling names.

There must be a lot more to this story than what I'm aware of.
I'll say it again, I haven't seen this much racial tension in the last 30 years.
And it all started in the last 5-6 years. Hmmm, what changed?

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on November 10, 2015, 06:54:05 PM
I was down there when the news broke, but I didn't pay attention to it in detail at all.  Of course the St. Louis media, who love a racially charged story, jumped out with their slant on it.

I agree fundamentally that colleges are meant for education, and also the possible precedence in buckling to the student body.......be it justified in this instance or not.

If the guy did something stupid and racist, then it should have been up to the administration or chancellors of the college to step up and have fired him.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 10, 2015, 06:58:11 PM
You are right.

And they never did get the GPS system working for the County Road Commission.

Maybe have ATT do it?
That was an entirely different system, however the Police to have GPS locators that work...  used to be "fun" watching them back when I was working. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 10, 2015, 07:09:24 PM
I was down there when the news broke, but I didn't pay attention to it in detail at all.  Of course the St. Louis media, who love a racially charged story, jumped out with their slant on it.

I agree fundamentally that colleges are meant for education, and also the possible precedence in buckling to the student body.......be it justified in this instance or not.

If the guy did something stupid and racist, then it should have been up to the administration or chancellors of the college to step up and have fired him.


The president didn't do anything - they just claim he wasn't succumbing to their "demands" fast enough... 

Here are the 8 demands:

The first of those demands required a “handwritten” apology from President Tim Wolfe that included:

Tim Wolfe must acknowledge his white male privilege, recognize that systems of oppression exist, and provide a verbal commitment to fulfilling Concerned Student 1-9-5-­0 demands.
With Wolfe’s exit yesterday, the following demands are still on the table. You can judge for yourself whether they are fair:

2) A new amendment to the UM system policies must be established to have all future UM system president and Chancellor positions be selected by a collective of students, staff, and faculty of diverse backgrounds.

3) We demand that the University of Missouri meets the Legion of Black Collegians’ demands that were presented in the 1969 for the betterment of the black community.

4) We demand that the University of Missouri creates and enforces comprehensive racial awareness and inclusion curriculum throughout all campus departments and units, mandatory for all students, faculty, staff and administration. This curriculum must be vetted, maintained, and overseen by a board comprised of students, staff and faculty of color.

5) We demand that by the academic year 2017-18, the University of Missouri increases the percentage of black faculty and staff members campus-wide by 10 percent.
According to Missouri’s website, about 7% of enrollment in fall of 2014 was black, while just 3.25% of faculty was black. Missouri will have an uphill climb to reach those numbers by the fall of 2017.

The demands continue:

6) We demand that the University of Missouri composes a strategic 10-year plan on May, 1 2016 that will increase retention rates for marginalized students, sustain diversity curriculum and training, and promote a more safe and inclusive campus.

7) We demand that the University of Missouri increases funding and resources for the University of Missouri Counseling Center for the purpose of hiring additional mental health professionals, particularly those of color, boosting mental health outreach and programming across campus, increasing campus-wide awareness and visibility of the counseling center, and reducing lengthy wait times for prospective clients.

8) We demand that the University of Missouri increases funding, resources and personnel for the social justice centers on campus for the purpose of hiring additional professionals, particularly those of color, boosting outreach and programming across campus and increasing campus-wide awareness and visibility.
The University of Missouri was founded in 1839 and served more than 35,000 students during the 2014 academic year.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/466606-read-the-absurd-list-of-demands-u-of-missouri-students-just-dropped-on-their-university/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/466606-read-the-absurd-list-of-demands-u-of-missouri-students-just-dropped-on-their-university/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 10, 2015, 07:12:19 PM
... or in other words put race instead of qualifications in the decision making process... 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on November 10, 2015, 07:45:41 PM
Interesting precedence being started here.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on November 10, 2015, 08:05:17 PM

After reading the list of demands, I think the scenario is even worse than I originally thought.

I would have told the football team to either show up for the game ready to play, or, they are off the team. If no one showed up, end the football program. End of story.

And I have absolutely no respect for that school.
I think their problems have just started.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 10, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
The president didn't do anything - they just claim he wasn't succumbing to their "demands" fast enough... 


It appears the next Mizzou President will need to be a caped crusader delivering street justice to anyone violating any student's safe space or dare utter any words which could be perceived as hurtful to any listener.

Lots of head scratching this morning at MSNBC about what the president did to deserve this targeting.

Scarborough: None Of Us Can Name What Mizzou President Did to Get Kicked Out! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PinE7qbh46U#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 10, 2015, 11:25:53 PM
It appears the next Mizzou President will need to be a caped crusader delivering street justice to anyone violating any student's safe space or dare utter any words which could be perceived as hurtful to any listener.

Lots of head scratching this morning at MSNBC about what the president did to deserve this targeting.

Scarborough: None Of Us Can Name What Mizzou President Did to Get Kicked Out! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PinE7qbh46U#[/url])


He'd better be black - or they will riot and no football will be played  8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on November 11, 2015, 10:17:10 AM

Lots of head scratching this morning at MSNBC about what the president did to deserve this targeting.

Scarborough: None Of Us Can Name What Mizzou President Did to Get Kicked Out! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PinE7qbh46U#[/url])


Just watched this clip and I see a lot of us have the same response.
Which is . . . What the hell is going on here, and why?

Another thing I picked up on WJR this morning is, 3 out of the 4 incidents that supposedly led up to this event, have absolutely NO proof they ever happened. The feces smeared on the wall story.... NO pictures, NO witnesses, NO police report, NO people involved in clean-up came forward, etc.

Wouldn't surprise me if most of this was made up by a few instigators affiliated with the Ferguson incident.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on November 11, 2015, 11:40:16 AM
This sounds like a 'business plan' direct from the Feds and the State of Michigan Legislature...

higher fees and a nicer office!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/11/10/huron-clinton-metroparks-bigger-offices-higher-fees/75553896/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/11/10/huron-clinton-metroparks-bigger-offices-higher-fees/75553896/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 11, 2015, 12:17:55 PM
Just watched this clip and I see a lot of us have the same response.
Which is . . . What the hell is going on here, and why?

Another thing I picked up on WJR this morning is, 3 out of the 4 incidents that supposedly led up to this event, have absolutely NO proof they ever happened. The feces smeared on the wall story.... NO pictures, NO witnesses, NO police report, NO people involved in clean-up came forward, etc.

Wouldn't surprise me if most of this was made up by a few instigators affiliated with the Ferguson incident.


Since when has Liberal logic ever required evidence or proof?

Problem is now that the University by the "acceptance of the forced resignations"  ceded the the Power to hire and fire, how do they get it back?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on November 11, 2015, 02:27:12 PM

Dammit.....

Next thing that will probably happen is they will pass a law that makes it illegal to write on walls with feces.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on November 11, 2015, 02:35:15 PM

Something else that is awfully strange here .....

I haven't seen Al Sharpton's mug on TV commenting on Tawana Brawley.... I mean U of Missouri.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 11, 2015, 03:14:59 PM
Dammit.....

Next thing that will probably happen is they will pass a law that makes it illegal to write on walls with feces.

Ya mean shlt painting?  Fine in the winter.  Stinks and draws blow flies in the summer....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 11, 2015, 03:27:37 PM
Dammit.....

Next thing that will probably happen is they will pass a law that makes it illegal to write on walls with feces.

Ferguson had the "hands up, don't shoot" lie.

Mizzou may have the "hands up, don't poop" lie.

https://twitter.com/ScottInSC/status/664124821677195264
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 11, 2015, 10:15:57 PM
I'm thinking no one will want the job...   unless it takes a year for the search as who wants to jump into that mess?   Unless it's someone barely qualified looking for the $$
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 11, 2015, 10:29:18 PM
Ferguson had the "hands up, don't shoot" lie.

Mizzou may have the "hands up, don't poop" lie.

[url]https://twitter.com/ScottInSC/status/664124821677195264[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/ScottInSC/status/664124821677195264[/url])

There is a problem however when they put it on a Shirt...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BQDttGc-KDE/VkJCBePfxZI/AAAAAAAAPmE/UOg3ZJHkoPc/s1600/Hands%2BUp%252C%2BDon%2527t%2BLube%2B1.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 12, 2015, 06:51:06 AM
It makes me think that all Liberal change is based on lies.

Why would anyone follow such a movement?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 12, 2015, 08:36:19 PM
He'd better be black - or they will riot and no football will be played  8*


Good call...

University of Missouri names black administrator with civil rights background as interim president

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missouri-system-interim-president-20151112-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missouri-system-interim-president-20151112-story.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 12, 2015, 10:31:25 PM
Good call...

University of Missouri names black administrator with civil rights background as interim president

[url]http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missouri-system-interim-president-20151112-story.html[/url] ([url]http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missouri-system-interim-president-20151112-story.html[/url])

The full circle it seems - as the group he helped found, finally found that radical power to hire - and hired him! 

Meanwhile the professor who was squashing freedom of speech is going to get off with an apology it appears... 

I guess the lesson is protest and squash free speech - The University of Missouri is a joke now.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 13, 2015, 06:41:25 AM
The full circle it seems - as the group he helped found, finally found that radical power to hire - and hired him! 

Meanwhile the professor who was squashing freedom of speech is going to get off with an apology it appears... 

I guess the lesson is protest and squash free speech - The University of Missouri is a joke now.

And Eastern Michigan students protested yesterday - to support the Hoax in Missouri.

WTF.  Support the hoax?  Do they know how idiotic that is?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 13, 2015, 08:09:13 AM
Northwestern football players tried to use the proper system to effect change  (big 10 way)

Missouri football players got a taste of power going on strike to effect changes (SEC way)

Wonder how many others "Universities" will succumb to protesters control over the hiring/firing process at their schools?

(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/cb111015dAPC20151110104516.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 13, 2015, 01:21:16 PM
The full circle it seems - as the group he helped found, finally found that radical power to hire - and hired him! 

Meanwhile the professor who was squashing freedom of speech is going to get off with an apology it appears... 

I guess the lesson is protest and squash free speech - The University of Missouri is a joke now.

University of Missouri is one of the top 10 schools for journalism in the U.S which makes the war on free speech even worse.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on November 13, 2015, 09:44:38 PM
So, according to Fox news (gasp),ISIS has said, apropos of the attacks in Paris, "American blood is better, and we will be there soon". And nobody has said a word on this forum, or any other of which I am a part. Does that say something, or nothing?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 13, 2015, 09:51:36 PM
I'm thinking France closed their borders - a little late...  and we have ours wide open still... 

Anyone like Trumps border plan now?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on November 13, 2015, 10:15:32 PM
The terrorists keep it up and Trump will win in a landslide
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 13, 2015, 11:12:58 PM
I'm thinking France closed their borders - a little late...  and we have ours wide open still... 

Anyone like Trumps border plan now?

And Europe is welcoming Muslims in by the droves right now.....

And how many of them are terrorists?

And we are going to take some too.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on November 14, 2015, 01:09:23 PM
The full circle it seems - as the group he helped found, finally found that radical power to hire - and hired him! 

Meanwhile the professor who was squashing freedom of speech is going to get off with an apology it appears... 

I guess the lesson is protest and squash free speech - The University of Missouri is a joke now.
Funny how your free speech actually means you support blatant racism.

Ferguson had the "hands up, don't shoot" lie.

Mizzou may have the "hands up, don't poop" lie.

[url]https://twitter.com/ScottInSC/status/664124821677195264[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/ScottInSC/status/664124821677195264[/url])
Like I've said many times before...the right doesn't know what a lie is...which may be why those gullible righties don't seem to mind being lied to by the conservative media and then parrot what they've been spoon-fed.

And Eastern Michigan students protested yesterday - to support the Hoax in Missouri.

WTF.  Support the hoax?  Do they know how idiotic that is?
Unlike your assertion about being religious...it's real:

(Cuss warning):

Fox News Outraged At Missouri College President Resignation

Students at the University of Missouri have been protesting rampant racist harassment on campus. The University President has resigned, and now Fox News is pissed.

Shortly after University of Missouri president Tim Wolfe resigned on Monday in the midst of massive protests about racial inequality on campus, Fox News' "The Five" held a discussion on the controversy.

Wolfe had been under pressure to step down for months, but things grew increasingly dire last weekend after 30 black football players said they would not play their next game if he stayed on.

"The Five" co-host Eric Bolling lashed out at the players, saying they deserved to be kicked off the team.

"I would say 'Fine, goodbye. We'll find 25 or 30 new ball players to sit in. We may lose the rest of the season,'" he said. "I'll take anyone on this team, hey I'll take the basketball team. You want to come play football? Hey, let's go and see how it works out."

Fortunately for the student athletes, their actual coach was more supportive.

"The Mizzou Family stands as one," head coach Gary Pinkel said on Sunday. "We are united. We are behind our players."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JbxPfoerws (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JbxPfoerws)

I'm thinking France closed their borders - a little late...  and we have ours wide open still... 

Anyone like Trumps border plan now?
No. The race baiting of Trump may appeal to his simpleton supporters with his talk of bringing back operation wetback...but with the difficulty of discovering the tunnels on the border...his ideas are just insane.

Not that there's any similarity to what happened in France to what could happen here.

Too bad so many on the conservative right seems to support what that traitor Snowden did since now the terrorists know how to avoid detection.

The terrorists keep it up and Trump will win in a landslide
I'm not sure why the ignorant are attracted to republican candidates...but according to the polls...Sanders would beat Trump:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html)

And Europe is welcoming Muslims in by the droves right now.....

And how many of them are terrorists?

And we are going to take some too.
Nothing wrong with offering refuge to refugees...but then neither is keeping an eye on 'em.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 15, 2015, 06:23:26 PM
Funny how your free speech actually means you support blatant racism.
I don't think the professor at Missouri was fighting racism - but you can defend her actions however you wish...    Trying to create a press free zone is fighting racism in your world?

Remind us all again of the documented racism, and what police agency took the complaints  8)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on November 15, 2015, 06:31:25 PM
The president of Missouri did no wrong to anyone.  But it's good he's gone because he is weak.  Not a leader of anything.  His response should have been go to class, that's what someone is paying for.  If you don't want to go to class then leave.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 15, 2015, 06:37:39 PM

Wolfe had been under pressure to step down for months, but things grew increasingly dire last weekend after 30 black football players said they would not play their next game if he stayed on.

"The Five" co-host Eric Bolling lashed out at the players, saying they deserved to be kicked off the team.

"I would say 'Fine, goodbye. We'll find 25 or 30 new ball players to sit in. We may lose the rest of the season,'" he said. "I'll take anyone on this team, hey I'll take the basketball team. You want to come play football? Hey, let's go and see how it works out."

Fortunately for the student athletes, their actual coach was more supportive.

"The Mizzou Family stands as one," head coach Gary Pinkel said on Sunday. "We are united. We are behind our players."

So you like Pinkel's politics - and giving away control of the Team which represents the University.

Not sure what experience  you've had when it comes to Team, but when you take it upon yourself to strike as a group - you raise the issue of control, and it appeared the Coach lost control of the team.

I recently heard Lou Holtz tell what he would tell his team about such actions - you are there as a Team and the team is there to represent the University - Don't bring your personal politics to the team...    He also encouraged players to do what they thought was right on their own - such as protest...    just don't make it a team issue.   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 17, 2015, 09:45:58 PM

It appears time to check Foggy Bottom for a gas leak if John thinks a cartoon provides rationale for murder.


Kerry sees 'rationale' in Charlie Hebdo murders, unlike Friday's attacks in Paris

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/john-kerry-paris-attacks-charlie-hebdo-215992#ixzz3ro4wTIgp (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/john-kerry-paris-attacks-charlie-hebdo-215992#ixzz3ro4wTIgp)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 17, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
Just what you want from the Secretary of State -
tell the terrorist they have a legitimate or rationale right to kill  :o

Nice message from the Obama Staff!   Goes hand in hand with the refusal to work in the removal of ISIS with other countries. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 18, 2015, 04:35:14 PM
Goes hand in hand with the refusal to work in the removal of ISIS with other countries.

Isn't it strange that we had information on an ISIS command center to give to the French?   If the U.S. knew about an ISIS command center, why was it still standing?

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Mayonnaise on November 18, 2015, 05:45:43 PM
It is reported that Syrian refugees are said to pass high level of security before entering this country. Correct me if I'm wrong... and I'm sure some will, lol... but wasn't the brothers of the Boston Marathon bombing refugees?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on November 18, 2015, 06:04:54 PM
Honduras arrests five Syrians heading to US with fake passports: report

Authorities in Honduras say they have arrested five Syrian nationals who were attempting to travel to the United States using stolen Greek passports, according to Reuters.
 
Authorities said there was no apparent indication the Syrians were among suspects linked to last week's attacks in Paris, the news outlet reported.
 
Debate has raged since the Friday attacks over whether terrorists may attempt to slip into the U.S. after reports that one Paris attacker may have come to Europe mixed in with Syrian refugees.
 
A French official said a passport found near a Paris suspect's body and had passed through Greece border controls was probably stolen, The New York Times reported.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/260628-honduras-police-arrest-five-syrians-heading-to-us-with-fake (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/260628-honduras-police-arrest-five-syrians-heading-to-us-with-fake)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 18, 2015, 06:10:15 PM
Someone in a different thread tried to muddy the water blaming all war deaths on Religion/Christianity...   

Here's some data

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.html (http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on November 18, 2015, 06:18:56 PM
Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - Updated 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on November 18, 2015, 08:10:56 PM
It's beginning.

Obama is disarming all police departments.




Macomb County forced to hand back military vehicle



MACOMB COUNTY, Mich. (WJBK) - Macomb County has less than a month to return a tank to the defense department that was originally part of a program to repurpose military equipment and given to law enforcement. However, after the riots in Ferguson last year, President Barack Obama issued an executive order to take away the equipment. County leaders are fighting the order saying doing so, would put officers at risk.

Macomb County got the armed personnel carrier back in 2004 from the U.S. Military. Now that he's got to send it back, County Executive Mark Hackel isn't happy.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/51196686-story (http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/51196686-story)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on November 18, 2015, 08:25:26 PM
Does Obama really think the military is going to stand behind him when he tries to take over the country to completely destroy it?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 18, 2015, 08:26:49 PM
MIZZOU CAMPUS ACTIVISTS AND BLACK LIVES MATTER COMPLAIN ABOUT PARIS STEALING THE SPOTLIGHT

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-14-at-15.03.271.png)
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/14/mizzou-campus-activists-and-black-lives-matter-complain-about-paris-stealing-the-spotlight/ (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/14/mizzou-campus-activists-and-black-lives-matter-complain-about-paris-stealing-the-spotlight/)

The poor college radicals - they feel the news isn't giving them enough coverage of the "terror" in Mizzou...   

(the only terror was to the first amendment and the President of the U!)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 19, 2015, 03:07:40 PM
Interesting to know that you can send porn on your public dole/email  and it's protected from sunshine laws in Pennsylvania...     


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pennsylvania-court-porn-emails-public-records-35307076 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pennsylvania-court-porn-emails-public-records-35307076)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on November 19, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
It is reported that Syrian refugees are said to pass high level of security before entering this country. Correct me if I'm wrong... and I'm sure some will, lol... but wasn't the brothers of the Boston Marathon bombing refugees?


http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/ (http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/)

WHAT'S TRUE: The Tsarnaev brothers' father applied for political asylum after arriving in the United States.

WHAT'S FALSE: The Tsarnaev family entered the United States by claiming to be refugees.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 19, 2015, 03:31:16 PM
[url]http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/[/url] ([url]http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/[/url])

WHAT'S TRUE: The Tsarnaev brothers' father applied for political asylum after arriving in the United States.

WHAT'S FALSE: The Tsarnaev family entered the United States by claiming to be refugees.


Pretty much the same thing - just differentiates where your claim starts... 


Characteristics of refugees

The U.S. government has much tighter restrictions on who can be labeled a refugee, but there are many more refugees than asylees granted legal status per year. Each year, the President determines how many refugees will be allowed to enter the U.S. In fiscal year 2013, 69,930 refugees were authorized to enter the U.S., just 70 people shy of the 70,000 maximum. Iraq, Burma, and Bhutan sent the largest groups of refugees to the U.S. (Update: In fiscal year 2014, 69,986 refugees entered the United States. Numbers for 2015 are not yet available.)

In order to be a refugee under U.S. immigration law,

You must fit the requirements regarding persecution (listed above)
You must secure refugee status while you are still outside the United States. You cannot seek refugee status once you are inside.
Your case is of special humanitarian concern to the United States.
You can be labeled admissible for legal entry into the United States.
Characteristics of asylees

For the last decade, the United States has been accepting between 20,000 and 30,000 asylum applicants per year. Popular countries of U.S. asylum seekers include China, Venezuela, and Ethiopia, Egypt, and Haiti.

To seek asylum in the U.S. under current laws,

You fit the requirements of living under threat of persecution as a refugee (listed above).
You are already present in the United States or are seeking admission at a port of entry.
One important difference is that asylees do not have to have legal immigration status to apply for protection. This is one of the reasons why it has become a popular method with DREAMers and undocumented immigrants who don’t have any other alternatives to seek legal status.

There are two ways to apply for asylum in the U.S.: affirmatively (voluntarily or preemptively) or defensively. Defensive applicants are those who ask for asylum in response for being detained or apprehended by immigration enforcement. In 2013, slightly more than half of asylees gained refuge through affirmative applications.


http://www.visanow.com/refugees-and-asylees/ (http://www.visanow.com/refugees-and-asylees/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on November 19, 2015, 04:51:14 PM
Just why not the UN establish safe zones in the Mid East and keep them over there. 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 19, 2015, 05:36:51 PM
Just why not the UN establish safe zones in the Mid East and keep them over there.

Name the last time the UN did ANYTHING effectively.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on November 19, 2015, 05:55:07 PM
We in the Tea Party pledge to protect all Americans from mass shooters if they are Syrian
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on November 19, 2015, 06:59:57 PM
Well it as worth a try
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 19, 2015, 07:45:45 PM
We in the Tea Party pledge to protect all Americans from mass shooters if they are Syrian

You sir are a liar.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on November 19, 2015, 08:01:04 PM
You sir are a liar.

Typical liberal.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 20, 2015, 11:37:05 AM
Just why not the UN establish safe zones in the Mid East and keep them over there. 


(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/6b8b356/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F8c%2Ff5%2F4514d09e4370a59906f13ddf3821%2Fthumb-1.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 20, 2015, 11:41:32 AM
We need a non-politician to take charge of the efforts against evil... 


(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/feb8c0c/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fc9%2F3e%2F1ba9f9da49f890c31f3c4a3d7b04%2Fthumb-6.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 21, 2015, 12:00:11 PM
This guy should run for public office.   lol

Phuc Dat Bich posted a picture of his passport on Facebook to prove it was his real name

(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/76bfe4ed5c2f367b83c80e552fd6efdf)

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/phuc-dat-bich-posted-a-picture-of-his-passport-on-facebook-to-prove-it-was-his-real-name/news-story/cb9771de6076a86d61f12abac174f99d (http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/phuc-dat-bich-posted-a-picture-of-his-passport-on-facebook-to-prove-it-was-his-real-name/news-story/cb9771de6076a86d61f12abac174f99d)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 21, 2015, 04:23:28 PM
I quit thinking about anything politically.  It's unhealthy.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on November 22, 2015, 07:38:54 PM
Just saw on the news that the President is hell-bent on getting 10,000 Syrian refugees here in the next year. When I read discussions on this subject, the "pro" side invariably says"It takes at least two years for a refugee to pass muster to enter the US, so what's the problem"? Sooooo, what's the problem here?





















































 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 22, 2015, 07:55:59 PM
Just saw on the news that the President is hell-bent on getting 10,000 Syrian refugees here in the next year. When I read discussions on this subject, the "pro" side invariably says"It takes at least two years for a refugee to pass muster to enter the US, so what's the problem"? Sooooo, what's the problem here?

No Problem.

Paris?  What happened in Paris?  Nothing happened in Paris.

Look!  A dog!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 22, 2015, 08:00:07 PM
Just saw on the news that the President is hell-bent on getting 10,000 Syrian refugees here in the next year. When I read discussions on this subject, the "pro" side invariably says"It takes at least two years for a refugee to pass muster to enter the US, so what's the problem"? Sooooo, what's the problem here?

Lets see if I have this correctly interpreted.....

Takes 2 years for a Syrian refugee to pass 'muster'.....  But Obama wants to import 10,000 next year....

How do you accomplish that?  Curious minds want to know.......????? ??? ???
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 22, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
Lets see if I have this correctly interpreted.....

Takes 2 years for a Syrian refugee to pass 'muster'.....  But Obama wants to import 10,000 next year....

How do you accomplish that?  Curious minds want to know.......????? ??? ???

Mikey Moore is going to put up a couple in his digs in Traverse City.

I hope he likes being a landlord.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on November 22, 2015, 09:35:35 PM
Truth in Media: Origin of ISIS

Must watch video. 12 minutes long but very good video about the creation of ISIS and what it will take to get rid of them.

https://www.facebook.com/UniversalFreePress/videos/1109286879117550/ (https://www.facebook.com/UniversalFreePress/videos/1109286879117550/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 22, 2015, 10:16:02 PM
That is an informative 12 minutes.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on November 23, 2015, 09:28:20 AM
Today, the giant pharmaceutical company Pfizer got formal board approval for its acquisition of Irish pharmaceutical manufacturer Allergan. The purpose of the deal isn’t simply to create the world's biggest drug maker. It’s to enable Pfizer to switch its corporate nationality from American to Irish, thereby slashing its corporate tax rate.

Okay, if Pfizer doesn't want to pay U.S. taxes, then it shouldn't get any benefits of U.S. corporate citizenship. The U.S. government should no longer protect Pfizer’s intellectual property, or give Pfizer access to basic research coming out of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, or represent Pfizer’s interests in international negotiations over trade. In addition, the federal government should use its bargaining power under Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA to negotiate the lowest possible drug prices with Pfizer (something the U.S. government is barred from doing with U.S. pharmaceutical companies). And Pfizer should no longer have the right to contribute to American elections through its Political Action Committee, or to lobby U.S. politicians.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 23, 2015, 09:41:38 AM
Today, the giant pharmaceutical company Pfizer got formal board approval for its acquisition of Irish pharmaceutical manufacturer Allergan. The purpose of the deal isn’t simply to create the world's biggest drug maker. It’s to enable Pfizer to switch its corporate nationality from American to Irish, thereby slashing its corporate tax rate.

Okay, if Pfizer doesn't want to pay U.S. taxes, then it shouldn't get any benefits of U.S. corporate citizenship. The U.S. government should no longer protect Pfizer’s intellectual property, or give Pfizer access to basic research coming out of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, or represent Pfizer’s interests in international negotiations over trade. In addition, the federal government should use its bargaining power under Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA to negotiate the lowest possible drug prices with Pfizer (something the U.S. government is barred from doing with U.S. pharmaceutical companies). And Pfizer should no longer have the right to contribute to American elections through its Political Action Committee, or to lobby U.S. politicians.


Gee and which candidate will do this?   

I believe Trump has already called for this... 
We know Bernie never met a tax he didn't love...
Hillary is too busy writing her acceptance speech to worry about such things right now.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 23, 2015, 10:12:12 AM
Gee what a novel Idea - put the responsibility back on the Parents


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LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Newly released state figures show that in some Michigan school districts half or more of students are chronically absent. The Detroit News reports numbers issued this month by the Michigan Center for Educational Performance and Information indicate that in the Detroit Public Schools district 64.8 percent missed at least 10 days in 2014-15. Michigan considers students who miss 10 or more days a year chronically absent. Others with high rates include River Rouge at 57.2 percent, Flint at 54.2 percent, Pontiac at 48.6 percent and Benton Harbor at 48.4 percent. A new Michigan law that takes effect in June aims to encourage attendance by allowing the state to halt welfare benefits to families whose children are chronically absent. School officials, meanwhile, say they're working to keep kids in class.

Read more at: http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/nov/23/half-michigan-students-are-chronically-absent/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/nov/23/half-michigan-students-are-chronically-absent/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on November 23, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
This guy should run for public office.   lol

Phuc Dat Bich posted a picture of his passport on Facebook to prove it was his real name

([url]http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/76bfe4ed5c2f367b83c80e552fd6efdf[/url])

[url]http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/phuc-dat-bich-posted-a-picture-of-his-passport-on-facebook-to-prove-it-was-his-real-name/news-story/cb9771de6076a86d61f12abac174f99d[/url] ([url]http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/phuc-dat-bich-posted-a-picture-of-his-passport-on-facebook-to-prove-it-was-his-real-name/news-story/cb9771de6076a86d61f12abac174f99d[/url])


Here's some more of the story on his 'unique name' and how Facebook feels about it :o :o :o

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34897404 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34897404)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on November 23, 2015, 07:01:36 PM
There's a certain right-wing idiot on MT that apparently didn't hear the updated news that the female wasn't the one that detonated the suicide vest.
But then righties often parrot incorrect information.

The woman who was thought to have blown herself up in the Saint Denis gun siege was actually killed when another member of the Islamic cell let off a bomb, according to a source within the French police.
Hasna Ait Boulahcen, 26, was believed to have become Europe's first female suicide bomber when she let off her explosive vest at a flat in the suburb of Paris during a police raid on Wednesday morning.
But a police source has now revealed she is believed to have died because another member of her terrorist cell let off a bomb as armed officers attempted to storm the third floor property.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3326778/Police-discover-body-scene-Paris-siege-Cowgirl-suicide-bomber-blew-terror-mastermind-killed-sniper.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3326778/Police-discover-body-scene-Paris-siege-Cowgirl-suicide-bomber-blew-terror-mastermind-killed-sniper.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 23, 2015, 08:08:40 PM
So you're saying the French media hasn't a clue?

and your now a cheerleader for female terrorist because they haven't blown themselves up in Europe yet?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on November 23, 2015, 08:12:35 PM
So you're saying the French media hasn't a clue?

and your now a cheerleader for female terrorist because they haven't blown themselves up in Europe yet?
Just trying to educate the uneducated.  ;)

But sadly, some people are incapable of learning.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on November 23, 2015, 11:00:45 PM
Gee and which candidate will do this?   

I believe Trump has already called for this... 
We know Bernie never met a tax he didn't love...
Hillary is too busy writing her acceptance speech to worry about such things right now.


Bernie was fighting this before either of them were running for President. He has introduced a bill in the works right now.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on November 23, 2015, 11:43:54 PM

We know Bernie never met a tax he didn't love...

Sure he has. He hates the ones on the poor because they are too much, and the ones on the rich because they aren't enough.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 23, 2015, 11:50:36 PM
I am finding out that the definition of "Rich" in this country is anyone who can pay more taxes......

Which is anyone with a job, or a house, or a car, or that buys anything.

 8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on November 23, 2015, 11:58:20 PM
I am finding out that the definition of "Rich" in this country is anyone who can pay more taxes......

Which is anyone with a job, or a house, or a car, or that buys anything.

 8*
The top 0.1% makes more than the bottom 90%, they should be paying the most
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 24, 2015, 12:10:13 AM
The top 0.1% makes more than the bottom 90%, they should be paying the most


Okay.

From this graph - please explain to me how that is correct.

Remember - you say the top 0.1% makes more than the bottom 90%.

Please show me how that is correct - and how you support a budget the size of the United States by just mainly taxing that evil 0.1%?

What tax rate would you need?  300%?  400%?  500%?

(http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Distribution.png)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on November 24, 2015, 12:18:30 AM
Okay.

From this graph - please explain to me how that is correct.

I should have stated "has" instead of "makes".

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/ (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/)

Our rating

Sanders said "the top one-tenth of 1 percent" of Americans "own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent."

His claim repeats a finding from a study by two internationally known economists that were supported by two other major economists we contacted. But the study has been criticized, for example, for not including Social Security in the wealth calculations.

For a claim that is accurate but needs additional information, a rating is Mostly True.



Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 24, 2015, 12:29:17 AM
I should have stated "has" instead of "makes".

[url]http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/[/url] ([url]http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/[/url])

Our rating

Sanders said "the top one-tenth of 1 percent" of Americans "own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent."

His claim repeats a finding from a study by two internationally known economists that were supported by two other major economists we contacted. But the study has been criticized, for example, for not including Social Security in the wealth calculations.

For a claim that is accurate but needs additional information, a rating is Mostly True.




It is kinda true if you exclude SS income and capital income of middle-income savers and homeowners.

Richard Burkhauser, a professor of policy analysis at Cornell University, told us that Saez and Zucman are "very well respected economists," but that he has a major complaint about their study: it excludes Social Security. "To ignore it as they do grossly understates the wealth held by Americans in the bottom 99 percent of the population,"  Burkhauser said.

Another criticism is the study that it doesn't take into account changes in tax laws.

Daniel Mitchell, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute, pointed us to an article one of his colleagues wrote in the Wall Street Journal. It said, for example, that changes in tax laws in the 1980s and ’90s skew any increase in wealth inequality by requiring more capital income of high-income taxpayers be reported on individual returns, while excluding most capital income of middle-income savers and homeowners.

Another criticism is the study that it doesn't take into account changes in tax laws.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/ (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/29/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-madison-claims-top-01-americans-hav/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 24, 2015, 10:02:18 AM
I should have stated "has" instead of "makes".

Okay - so now we are getting someplace.

Excelsior's post fires some holes in that argument - but at least we are starting to get someplace with you.

So do you understand why you just can't tax the income of the top X% of the rich and cover all the budget needs of the US Government - plus all the social programs that Bernie Sanders can dream up?  That there simply isn't enough income in those brackets to cover all of the programs that are being proposed?

So given that you admit that it is the "holdings" of wealth that you are referring to - am I to understand that you advocate the taxation of that money year after year - the base capital - not the income - to cover the Government Coffers?  Am I to understand that you are a big fan of taking a big chunk of estates when someone dies, or do you want to just take it away from them while they are still alive? 

Do you realize that the Ultra Rich will just leave and take their money to a country that wont do that to them?

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 24, 2015, 07:47:27 PM
Okay - so now we are getting someplace.

Excelsior's post fires some holes in that argument - but at least we are starting to get someplace with you.

So do you understand why you just can't tax the income of the top X% of the rich and cover all the budget needs of the US Government - plus all the social programs that Bernie Sanders can dream up?  That there simply isn't enough income in those brackets to cover all of the programs that are being proposed?

So given that you admit that it is the "holdings" of wealth that you are referring to - am I to understand that you advocate the taxation of that money year after year - the base capital - not the income - to cover the Government Coffers?  Am I to understand that you are a big fan of taking a big chunk of estates when someone dies, or do you want to just take it away from them while they are still alive? 

Do you realize that the Ultra Rich will just leave and take their money to a country that wont do that to them?


The rich of other countries are doing that - Look at the wealth leaving Russia and China...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 24, 2015, 08:26:57 PM
The rich of other countries are doing that - Look at the wealth leaving Russia and China...


France tried to tax the rich and it didn't work.   The rich were leaving and they had trouble competing for talent.

France waves discreet goodbye to 75 percent super-tax

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/france-waves-discreet-goodbye-75-percent-super-tax-162358813--business.html (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/france-waves-discreet-goodbye-75-percent-super-tax-162358813--business.html)


On the bright side, if we chase away the 1% and then the next 1%, wash and repeat a few times.   We will have income equality in no time.

Keely explains how it works here:


Neil Cavuto embarrasses student who wants free college and has no idea how to pay for it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmji36q8E4o#)

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 24, 2015, 08:59:28 PM
Bernie was fighting this before either of them were running for President. He has introduced a bill in the works right now.
And hows that going?    He has about as much pull with the "D" party as Trump...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 24, 2015, 10:07:06 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article46215810.html (http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article46215810.html)

Interesting to learn that while a huge fund (CalPERS)  the California pension fund is only 77% funded... and yet they are paying a billion a year out to managers... 
No wonder pension boards can have their members flown around the world to nice places!

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on November 25, 2015, 07:23:48 PM
Okay - so now we are getting someplace.

Excelsior's post fires some holes in that argument - but at least we are starting to get someplace with you.

So do you understand why you just can't tax the income of the top X% of the rich and cover all the budget needs of the US Government - plus all the social programs that Bernie Sanders can dream up?  That there simply isn't enough income in those brackets to cover all of the programs that are being proposed?

So given that you admit that it is the "holdings" of wealth that you are referring to - am I to understand that you advocate the taxation of that money year after year - the base capital - not the income - to cover the Government Coffers?  Am I to understand that you are a big fan of taking a big chunk of estates when someone dies, or do you want to just take it away from them while they are still alive? 

Do you realize that the Ultra Rich will just leave and take their money to a country that wont do that to them?
You don't need to tax their holdings, just the new income. And quit letting corporations ship their profits overseas.

If the money is made here, it should be taxed before it goes offshore.

Government is supposed to represent the people, not the corporations nor the oligarchs.

The founding fathers were afraid of all the power and money going to a small few.

Only one candidate acknowledges this, and it certainly ain't Trump.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on November 25, 2015, 08:04:41 PM
Okay.

From this graph - please explain to me how that is correct.

Remember - you say the top 0.1% makes more than the bottom 90%.

Please show me how that is correct - and how you support a budget the size of the United States by just mainly taxing that evil 0.1%?

What tax rate would you need?  300%?  400%?  500%?


Sorry I had to remove the picture from someone's blog account that doesn't even note where they get their "information" from.

Here's some real information for you to check on,

Lopsided income growth is also a long-term trend. Between 1979 and 2007, the top 1 percent took home well over half (53.9 percent) of the total increase in U.S. income. Over this period, the average income of the bottom 99 percent of U.S. taxpayers grew by 18.9 percent. Simultaneously, the average income of the top 1 percent grew over 10 times as much—by 200.5 percent.

    Lopsided income growth characterizes every state between 1979 and 2007.
        In four states (Nevada, Wyoming, Michigan, and Alaska), only the top 1 percent experienced rising incomes between 1979 and 2007, and the average income of the bottom 99 percent fell.
        In another 15 states the top 1 percent captured between half and 84 percent of all income growth between 1979 and 2007. Those states are Arizona (where 84.2 percent of all income growth was captured by the top 1 percent), Oregon (81.8 percent), New Mexico (72.6 percent), Hawaii (70.9 percent), Florida (68.9 percent), New York (67.6 percent), Illinois (64.9 percent), Connecticut (63.9 percent), California (62.4 percent), Washington (59.1 percent), Texas (55.3 percent), Montana (55.2 percent), Utah (54.1 percent), South Carolina (54.0 percent), and West Virginia (53.3 percent).
        In the 10 states in which the top 1 percent captured the smallest share of income growth from 1979 to 2007, the top 1 percent captured between about a quarter and just over a third of all income growth. Those states are Louisiana (where 25.6 percent of all income growth was captured by the top 1 percent), Virginia (29.5 percent), Iowa (29.8 percent), Mississippi (29.8 percent), Maine (30.5 percent), Rhode Island (32.6 percent), Nebraska (33.5 percent), Maryland (33.6 percent), Arkansas (34.0 percent), and North Dakota (34.2 percent).
    The lopsided growth in U.S. incomes observed between 1979 and 2007 resulted in a rise in every state in the top 1 percent’s share of income. This rise in income inequality represents a sharp reversal of the patterns of income growth that prevailed in the half century following the beginning of the Great Depression; the share of income held by the top 1 percent declined in every state but one between 1928 and 1979.
http://www.epi.org/publication/income-inequality-by-state-1917-to-2012/ (http://www.epi.org/publication/income-inequality-by-state-1917-to-2012/)

Republicans plan to fix this is, well, non-existent, mainly because they don't see it as a problem, but rather an opportunity to make it an even bigger gap by giving tax cuts to the rich.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on November 25, 2015, 09:47:14 PM

The founding fathers were afraid of all the power and money going to a small few.



I am sure if a number of the Founding Fathers believed it was a role of the new government to address wealth inequality, they would have discussed it during the Constitutional Convention in Philly.

I don't recall reading this debate, but post a link if you have one.





Here's a site that has James Madison's notes On the Constitutional Convention:

http://www.nhccs.org/mnotes.html (http://www.nhccs.org/mnotes.html)


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on November 25, 2015, 10:09:14 PM
And what is the Democrats plan to fix it?

Given that it was the Democrats that broke it - if you are honest about it?

Manufacturing is what brought strength to this country - and we exported it to China under William Jefferson Clinton.

Now - what is your plan to reverse that Baby Hitler?

What is your plan for the US to compete in a Global Economy?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on November 30, 2015, 12:17:29 PM
... since this will be ignored by the War on Woman crowd - I put it here.

She will likely end up dead at her family's hand since they let him out to finish the work.

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Man arrested on suspicion of abusing Hickman student
Friday, November 27, 2015 at 2:00 pm
Columbia police on Wednesday arrested a 53-year-old man who allegedly pulled a teenage family member out of Hickman High School by her hair and slapped her.

Police re-sponded at 3 p.m. Tuesday to the school, 1104 N. Providence Road, for a child abuse call, Officer Latisha Stroer said in an email. Youssif Z. Omar was at the school and noticed a 14-year-old female family member was not wearing a hijab, a traditional headscarf that some Muslim women wear. Omar became irate, Stroer said, grabbed the girl “very violently by the hair” and pulled her outside and down a flight of stairs.

Omar allegedly slapped the girl’s face and pulled her into his car by her hair, Stroer said. Police arrested Omar on suspicion of child abuse, a felony, at 5:10 p.m. Wednesday at his residence in the 1700 block of Timber Creek Drive. He was released from the Boone County Jail after posting a $4,500 bond.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-suspicion-of-abusing-hickman-student/article_5f48a9cb-4382-5442-937e-ad54f1c88855.html (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-suspicion-of-abusing-hickman-student/article_5f48a9cb-4382-5442-937e-ad54f1c88855.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 30, 2015, 08:49:04 PM
... since this will be ignored by the War on Woman crowd - I put it here.

She will likely end up dead at her family's hand since they let him out to finish the work.

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Man arrested on suspicion of abusing Hickman student
Friday, November 27, 2015 at 2:00 pm
Columbia police on Wednesday arrested a 53-year-old man who allegedly pulled a teenage family member out of Hickman High School by her hair and slapped her.

Police re-sponded at 3 p.m. Tuesday to the school, 1104 N. Providence Road, for a child abuse call, Officer Latisha Stroer said in an email. Youssif Z. Omar was at the school and noticed a 14-year-old female family member was not wearing a hijab, a traditional headscarf that some Muslim women wear. Omar became irate, Stroer said, grabbed the girl “very violently by the hair” and pulled her outside and down a flight of stairs.

Omar allegedly slapped the girl’s face and pulled her into his car by her hair, Stroer said. Police arrested Omar on suspicion of child abuse, a felony, at 5:10 p.m. Wednesday at his residence in the 1700 block of Timber Creek Drive. He was released from the Boone County Jail after posting a $4,500 bond.

[url]http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-suspicion-of-abusing-hickman-student/article_5f48a9cb-4382-5442-937e-ad54f1c88855.html[/url] ([url]http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-suspicion-of-abusing-hickman-student/article_5f48a9cb-4382-5442-937e-ad54f1c88855.html[/url])


Nice.  Sounds like a crainial rearrangement is in order via FMJ.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 01, 2015, 08:42:33 AM
I think you are selling the Mayor a little short comparing him to your buddy Luke.

BOB was in fact the big shooter for the State Police for all of Sotheast Michigan when he retired.
and we all saw how effective he was in disciplining Luke - heck they let all his superiors retire before they took any action...   just sayin    8*
I was talking about Reich by the way.

I hope  the fire union is happy with the council they bought.

I have no doubt they will get a great return on investment.
It's amazing that people think the fire union is that powerful... 

almost extinct - down to 5 firefighters and they supposedly had all this political power!

Did you ever think that the experiment may not have made the General Public happy?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 01, 2015, 05:43:11 PM
Still Chuckling to myself that MN thinks the fire union has all this political clout with voters...

Couldn't get a fire station millage
East side Station closed
at one point were down to 5 ff's trying to man 2 stations 24/7
Ambulance transport service removed
confined space/tech rescue and haz mat equipment trailers removed
reliance on townships to put out fires
fire marshal job given to a police officer who laughed at not working and public safety directors didn't care or know where he was during the work day
(retired police officer shared that last one with me personally)

Public Safety Directors who came up with the plan however were richly rewarded-
on the double dip plan (retire and get your Public safety salary - both)   

You'd have thought the Police Union was the powerful and strong one with the capture of extra pay and the budget taken from the firefighters portion of the public safety budget.

Mind you this is not the First Election since the experiment began...
My guess is the "voters" through calls and interactions with others in the public finally learned about the experiment and didn't like the direction is was going.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 01, 2015, 07:01:24 PM
Still Chuckling to myself that MN thinks the fire union has all this political clout with voters...

Couldn't get a fire station millage
East side Station closed
at one point were down to 5 ff's trying to man 2 stations 24/7
Ambulance transport service removed
confined space/tech rescue and haz mat equipment trailers removed
reliance on townships to put out fires
fire marshal job given to a police officer who laughed at not working and public safety directors didn't care or know where he was during the work day
(retired police officer shared that last one with me personally)

Public Safety Directors who came up with the plan however were richly rewarded-
on the double dip plan (retire and get your Public safety salary - both)   

You'd have thought the Police Union was the powerful and strong one with the capture of extra pay and the budget taken from the firefighters portion of the public safety budget.

Mind you this is not the First Election since the experiment began...
My guess is the "voters" through calls and interactions with others in the public finally learned about the experiment and didn't like the direction is was going.

Look at what happens next Prof.

Look who gets budget now.

Want to bet on it?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 01, 2015, 07:33:19 PM
Look at what happens next Prof.

Look who gets budget now.

Want to bet on it?


Heck you can't get much lower on the budget and keep one station open let alone 2
- so that's a no brainer bet

All I would bet on is that there won't be a $14K study before the City manager makes his next decision.     :D

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 01, 2015, 07:49:40 PM

Heck you can't get much lower on the budget and keep one station open let alone 2
- so that's a no brainer bet

All I would bet on is that there won't be a $14K study before the City manager makes his next decision.     :D

Want to bet on the over / under of how many meetings George makes before he is out of a job?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 01, 2015, 09:23:56 PM
Want to bet on the over / under of how many meetings George makes before he is out of a job?
I was going to predict a retirement announcement at the next meeting...

I hear they have nice homes in Adrian for retirees 
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 01, 2015, 10:41:29 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 01, 2015, 11:23:50 PM
This nation has always taken care of the poor.  It's just that the liberals want to throw a whole bunch of worthless lazy slobs into that category
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 02, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
Keep your eye on the Omnibus year-end spending bill emerging soon from the House. Money runs out to fund government December 11. House Republicans, spoiling for a fight with Obama, are pushing a variety of riders -- on blocking Syrian refugees from coming into the U.S., defunding Planned Parenthood, rolling back Dodd-Frank financial industry rules, and curtailing regulation of tobacco. But Paul Ryan, the new House Speaker, doesn’t want a government shutdown, and the legislation will almost certainly need some Democratic votes in order to pass. It will be the first real test of Ryan’s leadership.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 02, 2015, 11:56:59 AM
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel says he will not resign in wake of shooting probe

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/02/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-says-he-not-resign-after-botched-shooting-probe/76660326/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/02/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-says-he-not-resign-after-botched-shooting-probe/76660326/)

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Protesters getting a taste of "power" have been able to get college presidents to resign, and recently the police chief in Chicago ( a city full of crooks/criminals)... 

But apparently they can't get their "D" buddy to resign his position of power.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 02, 2015, 12:48:45 PM
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel says he will not resign in wake of shooting probe

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/02/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-says-he-not-resign-after-botched-shooting-probe/76660326/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/02/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-says-he-not-resign-after-botched-shooting-probe/76660326/[/url])

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Protesters getting a taste of "power" have been able to get college presidents to resign, and recently the police chief in Chicago ( a city full of crooks/criminals)... 

But apparently they can't get their "D" buddy to resign his position of power.


Why should he?

He is only in charge.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 02, 2015, 02:26:00 PM
I found it appalling what is happening in the City of Chicago -    Can't imagine why it's not making national media... well it's starting to - just real slow...

Can't make D policies look too bad during an election year can you?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on December 02, 2015, 10:04:26 PM



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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 02, 2015, 10:22:48 PM
The PC police are in California - and it will be a cold day in Hell when Obama allows the FBI to declare this a terrorist attack...  even though 3 shooters were involved,  they are sweeping for explosives, they found explosives...   
There appeared to be planning and calm/control during the event by the attackers. 
They were "found" by a FBI tip...   

Yet none of that adds up to terrorism so far...     I guess 14 dead isn't terror anymore?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 02, 2015, 10:47:15 PM
It couldn't be a terrorist attack..Obama has ISIS under control..
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on December 03, 2015, 07:04:32 AM

Obama has ISIS contained about as much as an ocean contains a shark.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 03, 2015, 07:40:26 AM
I heard on the news this morning one of the people left earlier in the day mad - and came back shooting.

Sounds like this is just workplace violence - and we need gun control is the solution.

Typical Media.

Clearly a case of white male christian NRA member Republican Voter Rage.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 03, 2015, 08:11:25 AM
The mainstream media should be called the 'selective media'.  They only acknowledge what they want to.....IOW, totally biased.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 03, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
Sure glad they didn't find these people armed to the teeth, in body armor, with explosives then! 
Story fits much better when you say workplace violence
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 03, 2015, 08:27:12 AM
LA times has the best updates so far:

A loner goes to Saudi Arabia and brings back a woman -   they have a child -  then they decide to bring terror to the US and make pipe bombs along the way... 

Yep your routine workplace violence  8*

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The suspects in the shooting rampage were a married couple who had just dropped off their 6-month-old daughter with her grandmother, family representatives said.

Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, were married two years ago, according to Malik’s brother, Farhan Khan, shown above.

On Wednesday morning, Farook and his wife dropped their daughter off with Farook’s mother in Redlands, saying they had a doctor’s appointment, said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Los Angeles office.



Authorities have only recently begun to process the scene at the Inland Regional Center after three devices, which police believe were explosives, were destroyed, said San Bernardino police Chief Jarrod Burguan.

The chief said investigators are not sure what the devices were made of, but that they are "leaning a little bit more toward a pipe bomb-type design."

Bomb squad officers disposed of three devices a couple of hours ago, Burguan said in a news conference late Wednesday.

"We believe that those were explosive devices," Burguan said.

They said Farook had recently traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a woman he'd met online. The couple had a baby and appeared to be “living the American dream,” said Patrick Baccari, a fellow inspector who shared a cubicle with Farook.

Baccari and Christian Nwadike said Farook, who had worked with them for about three years, rarely started a conversation. But he was well-liked.

They and other colleagues said Farook was a devout Muslim who rarely discussed religion at work.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 03, 2015, 07:05:27 PM
Why should he?

He is only in charge.

I can't help commenting about Emanuel, He's nothing but a terrorist himself.  A little weasel.

Like the way he quashed the killing by the police officer until after his election.  Smart move on his part, honest, no way but what is (honest) in the murder capital.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 03, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
LA times has the best updates so far:

A loner goes to Saudi Arabia and brings back a woman -   they have a child -  then they decide to bring terror to the US and make pipe bombs along the way... 

Yep your routine workplace violence  8*

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The suspects in the shooting rampage were a married couple who had just dropped off their 6-month-old daughter with her grandmother, family representatives said.

Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, were married two years ago, according to Malik’s brother, Farhan Khan, shown above.

On Wednesday morning, Farook and his wife dropped their daughter off with Farook’s mother in Redlands, saying they had a doctor’s appointment, said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Los Angeles office.



Authorities have only recently begun to process the scene at the Inland Regional Center after three devices, which police believe were explosives, were destroyed, said San Bernardino police Chief Jarrod Burguan.

The chief said investigators are not sure what the devices were made of, but that they are "leaning a little bit more toward a pipe bomb-type design."

Bomb squad officers disposed of three devices a couple of hours ago, Burguan said in a news conference late Wednesday.

"We believe that those were explosive devices," Burguan said.

They said Farook had recently traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a woman he'd met online. The couple had a baby and appeared to be “living the American dream,” said Patrick Baccari, a fellow inspector who shared a cubicle with Farook.

Baccari and Christian Nwadike said Farook, who had worked with them for about three years, rarely started a conversation. But he was well-liked.

They and other colleagues said Farook was a devout Muslim who rarely discussed religion at work.

[url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html[/url] ([url]http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html[/url])


The more I read and hear, the sicker I get and Obama wants to import more Syrians.  It's coming (violence / terrorism to a place near you...;   count on it.  Obama is.

Trump is right on with the solution as bad as it sounds.  No more immigration from the Middle East, close and or monitor all Mosques and carefully scrutinize all muslims living here.....  including Obama.

This shitte is getting more stupid by the day.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on December 04, 2015, 10:23:13 AM
I’m thinking thank God the senate passed a bill to repeal Obamacare and how happy I am that us republicans have control of congress to concentrate on the most important issues facing America today. 

And why didn’t somebody warn us that is we raised taxes on the rich and expanded health insurance to cover millions more people that the economy would grow and the unemployment rate go down?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 04, 2015, 10:49:09 AM
the unemployment rate only went down in the numbers obamas socialists have published.
And yes, congress should get in step with the President and address our biggest problem, Climate Change.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 04, 2015, 11:52:09 AM
Climate change can only be properly addressed when all the major players agree.  That's not happening and won't in the foreseeable future until mealy mouthed politicians grow some pubic hair.... ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 04, 2015, 05:42:38 PM
Exchange rate policies, not high wages, are why U.S. lags China and Germany in export performance.

The decline of manufacturing in the United States over the past 15 years has been well documented: 5.4 million manufacturing jobs and over 82,100 manufacturing establishments were lost between 1997 and 2013. There is a common but incorrect idea that high wages in U.S. manufacturing are causing growing job losses and declining U.S. export competitiveness. Germany has among the highest manufacturing wages in the world but maintained a stable share of world exports throughout this period and suffered only minimal manufacturing job losses, most of which occurred in the wake of the Great Recession. Meanwhile, manufacturing wages in Germany exceeded those in the United States by more than one-third through much of this period.

http://www.epi.org/publication/exchange-rate-policies/ (http://www.epi.org/publication/exchange-rate-policies/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 04, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
Ah, I think the German government is much kinder to  manufacturing companies than Obama is for ours. He and his socialist friends want to keep raising taxes in them for his "free stuff" programs
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 04, 2015, 07:45:33 PM
Ah, I think the German government is much kinder to  manufacturing companies than Obama is for ours. He and his socialist friends want to keep raising taxes in them for his "free stuff" programs

I think so too.  I know John Deere has a huge presence in Mannheim Germany, I have a good friend who is an engineer there.  My German buddy that thinks guns should only be weilded by the military....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on December 05, 2015, 10:56:40 PM

I think I will have a cold one to celebrate the 21st.

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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on December 09, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
I hope they have time to get that "Carly:Warrior for the Babies" advertising campaign stopped pretty quick.


Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 09, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 10, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: arpydave on December 10, 2015, 05:12:09 PM
Rather well said there, Tiny
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 12, 2015, 11:36:24 AM
Wall Street is now lobbying furiously to stop the Labor Department from requiring all financial advisors to work in the best interests of their clients – a so-called “fiduciary” obligation – rather than, as now, steer them to funds and investments that benefit the advisors and the banks. At this moment the Street is trying to put a rider on the end-of-year government-funding bill that would slow or stop the Department from issuing its rule.

Background: Fifty years ago, most workers got a pension with a fixed amount per month (a so-called “defined benefit”), so they didn’t need financial advice. Now, if they’re lucky, they retire with an IRA or 401(k) plan – which require they make decisions about where to invest. So an entire industry has grown to dispense investment advice. It’s now a big part of Wall Street’s profits.

Yet many worker’s savings are secretly being depleted by conflicts of interest, because their financial advisors are steering them toward investments promoted by the Street -- good for the advisors and the banks but not in the best interests of workers. That’s why the Labor Department’s rule is important. And why Wall Street’s furious lobbying against it is despicable.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 12, 2015, 11:42:22 AM
We aren't going to beat the crooks.  The politicians are part of them.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 12, 2015, 06:50:29 PM
Wall Street is now lobbying furiously to stop the Labor Department from requiring all financial advisors to work in the best interests of their clients – a so-called “fiduciary” obligation – rather than, as now, steer them to funds and investments that benefit the advisors and the banks. At this moment the Street is trying to put a rider on the end-of-year government-funding bill that would slow or stop the Department from issuing its rule.

Background: Fifty years ago, most workers got a pension with a fixed amount per month (a so-called “defined benefit”), so they didn’t need financial advice. Now, if they’re lucky, they retire with an IRA or 401(k) plan – which require they make decisions about where to invest. So an entire industry has grown to dispense investment advice. It’s now a big part of Wall Street’s profits.

Yet many worker’s savings are secretly being depleted by conflicts of interest, because their financial advisors are steering them toward investments promoted by the Street -- good for the advisors and the banks but not in the best interests of workers. That’s why the Labor Department’s rule is important. And why Wall Street’s furious lobbying against it is despicable.

That is why I pick my own horses rather then paying someone to pick my horses for me.

Studies show that mutual funds don't outperform index funds - and certainly not after the higher fees.  On top of that the industury is trying to convince me that I need an "investment advisor" to pick the mutual funds?

Hogwash.  I can read the simple chart that shows performance the last 1,3, 5, 10 years, and move the money to the funds that are performing from the ones that aren't.  It's not rocket science, and I don't have a conflict of interest in picking funds that pay me higher fees if I pick them to move my clients money into them.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on December 12, 2015, 08:47:20 PM
You all know how much I despise that non-white guy whos the president, but even I have to admit I'm  kind of impressed that he got the entire world to go along with his climate change hoax.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on December 12, 2015, 11:58:13 PM
You all know how much I despise that non-white guy whos the president, but even I have to admit I'm  kind of impressed that he got the entire world to go along with his climate change hoax.

No, he didn't. Just with weak minded individuals.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 13, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
No, he didn't. Just with weak minded individuals.

No - just the individuals who want to control all the "we the sheeple" and the "sheeple" that are gullible enough to not see they are being controlled on a lie.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 13, 2015, 10:30:13 AM
Wall Street is now lobbying furiously to stop the Labor Department from requiring all financial advisors to work in the best interests of their clients – a so-called “fiduciary” obligation – rather than, as now, steer them to funds and investments that benefit the advisors and the banks. At this moment the Street is trying to put a rider on the end-of-year government-funding bill that would slow or stop the Department from issuing its rule.

Background: Fifty years ago, most workers got a pension with a fixed amount per month (a so-called “defined benefit”), so they didn’t need financial advice. Now, if they’re lucky, they retire with an IRA or 401(k) plan – which require they make decisions about where to invest. So an entire industry has grown to dispense investment advice. It’s now a big part of Wall Street’s profits.

Yet many worker’s savings are secretly being depleted by conflicts of interest, because their financial advisors are steering them toward investments promoted by the Street -- good for the advisors and the banks but not in the best interests of workers. That’s why the Labor Department’s rule is important. And why Wall Street’s furious lobbying against it is despicable.

Had an "intro" to that as the City was just starting to allow common folks to join the pre-tax retirement funds  that department heads had access to...    There were a few choices, and most learned that the "FEES" and churning ate up the gains... 

Had to convert from those as quick as you retired to have a chance at what the rest of the market was enjoying...   
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 13, 2015, 12:52:27 PM
Employees at OC bitched about their consultant, Fidelity for stealing all our contributions 20 years ago when they converted pension to a cash balance fund.  Long term employees already got screwed out of thousands by conversion then Fidelity took rest with fees.   OC gave us the option of picking our own but it took a bunch of people lobbying the benefits mgr..
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 13, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
You all know how much I despise that non-white guy whos the president, but even I have to admit I'm  kind of impressed that he got the entire world to go along with his climate change hoax.

Never mind that - just think how well the rich white woman will do - probably already building up carbon tax credits for her Billion dollar slush fund
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 14, 2015, 11:35:13 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 14, 2015, 11:43:08 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 14, 2015, 11:55:06 PM
Ted Cruz is on a roll. He’s now leading in Iowa according to several polls, and is gaining momentum primary states. Pundits are predicting he’ll soon displace Donald Trump. But what does Cruz stand for? Here are seven Cruz missiles:

He supports a Constitutional amendment mandating Congress pass a balanced budget. It’s a terrible idea that would eliminate fiscal policy as a tool to balance the economy during recessions.

He wants to cut corporate tax rates to 15 percent. Another bad idea. Corporations don’t need a tax cut, and the cuts would have to be made up by individual taxpayers.

Cruz wants to repeal the Common Core education standards from the federal government. Why? They’re already voluntary and provide good benchmarks.

Repeal Obamacare. As he showed in his 2013 23-hour speech on the Senate floor, he’s adamantly opposed to the new health care law and wants it repealed in entirety.

Elect the Supreme Court. He wants to abolish lifetime appointment to the court and subject justices to periodic election instead. This would require a Constitutional amendment, of course, and it’s nuts. The Court has to be independent of politics. It’s already too politicized.
   
Cruz wants to move toward a flat tax. This would increase the tax rates of the middle and lower-middle class and reduce them for the rich. He also wants to abolish the IRS.

On the Islamic State, Cruz doesn’t want to send in U.S. ground troops -- yet. But he says that if Kurdish fighters on the ground can’t do it, we should send troops.

That these two would emerge as the leading Republican contenders for president of the United States as we head into a presidential election year is terrifying.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 15, 2015, 11:04:24 AM
The Revolt of the Anxious Class

The great American middle class has become an anxious class – and it’s in revolt.

Before I explain how that revolt is playing out, you need to understand the sources of the anxiety.

Start with the fact that the middle class is shrinking, according to a new Pew survey.

The odds of falling into poverty are frighteningly high, especially for the majority without college degrees.

Two-thirds of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Most could lose their jobs at any time.

Many are part of a burgeoning “on-demand” workforce – employed as needed, paid whatever they can get whenever they can get it.

Yet if they don’t keep up with rent or mortgage payments, or can’t pay for groceries or utilities, they’ll lose their footing.

The stress is taking a toll. For the first time in history, the lifespans of middle-class whites are dropping.

According to research by the recent Nobel-prize winning economist, Angus Deaton, and his co-researcher Anne Case, middle-aged white men and women in the United States have been dying earlier.

They’re poisoning themselves with drugs and alcohol, or committing suicide.

The odds of being gunned down in America by a jihadist are far smaller than the odds of such self-inflicted deaths, but the recent tragedy in San Bernadino only heightens an overwhelming sense of arbitrariness and fragility.

The anxious class feels vulnerable to forces over which they have no control. Terrible things happen for no reason.

Yet government can’t be counted on to protect them.

Safety nets are full of holes. Most people who lose their jobs don’t even qualify for unemployment insurance.

Government won’t protect their jobs from being outsourced to Asia or being taken by a worker here illegally.

Government can’t even protect them from evil people with guns or bombs. Which is why the anxious class is arming itself, buying guns at a record rate.

They view government as not so much incompetent as not giving a damn. It’s working for the big guys and fat cats – the crony capitalists who bankroll candidates and get special favors in return.

When I visited so-called “red” states this fall, I kept hearing angry complaints that government is run by Wall Street bankers who get bailed out after wreaking havoc on the economy, corporate titans who get cheap labor, and billionaires who get tax loopholes.

Last year two highly-respected political scientists, Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page, took a close look at 1,799 policy decisions Congress made over the course of over twenty years, and who influenced those decisions.

Their conclusion: “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.”

It was only a matter of time before the anxious class would revolt.

They’d support a strongman who’d promise to protect them from all the chaos.

Who’d save jobs from being shipped abroad, slam Wall Street, stick it to China, get rid of people here illegally, and block terrorists from getting into America.

A strongman who’d make America great again – which really means make average working people safe again.

It was a pipe dream, of course – a conjurer’s trick. No single person can do this. The world is far too complex. You can’t build a wall along the Mexican border. You can’t keep out all Muslims. You can’t stop corporations from outsourcing abroad.

Nor should you even try.

Besides, we live in a messy democracy, not a dictatorship.

Still, they think maybe he’s smart enough and tough enough to pull it off. He’s rich. He tells it like it is.

He makes every issue a test of personal strength. He calls himself strong and his adversaries weak.

So what if he’s crude and rude? Maybe that’s what it takes to protect average people in this cruelly precarious world.

For years I’ve heard the rumbles of the anxious class. I’ve listened to their growing anger – in union halls and bars, in coal mines and beauty parlors, on the Main Streets and byways of the washed-out backwaters of America.

I’ve heard their complaints and cynicism, their conspiracy theories and their outrage.

Most are good people, not bigots or racists. They work hard and they have a strong sense of fairness.

But their world has been slowly coming apart. And they’re scared and fed up.

Now someone comes along who’s even more of a bully than those who for years have bullied them economically, politically, and even violently.

The attraction is understandable, even though misguided.

If not Donald Trump, then it will be someone else posing as a strongman. If not this election cycle, it will be the next one.

The revolt of the anxious class has just begun.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 16, 2015, 08:10:39 AM
Interesting to hear Hillary agreeing with the Republicans ideas on how to prevent future Radical Islamic Terror attacks... 

wanting to get cyber specialists involved, and get insiders or surveillance in Mosques.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 16, 2015, 10:34:28 AM
A tale of two cities...   interesting to see how two school systems reacted to an email

NYC dismissed it as a hoax

LA  shut down the entire school system

I can see the sensitivity of the issue -but allowing for what happened, don't you foresee many ISIS wannabee's creating email accounts to disrupt California's public educational system in the future?

Round 1 in the internet war goes to ISIS...

Maybe Trump has something - we should be tasking our brightest to challenge or find these senders/servers/supporters and disrupt them.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on December 16, 2015, 10:44:36 AM
Never mind that - just think how well the rich white woman will do - probably already building up carbon tax credits for her Billion dollar slush fund

Maybe the old rich white woman will appoint her husband Secretary of State?   The international cash that would flow into their foundation would likely rival the GPD of most countries.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on December 16, 2015, 11:02:05 AM
Round 1 in the internet war goes to ISIS...

Maybe Trump has something - we should be tasking our brightest to challenge or find these senders/servers/supporters and disrupt them.

I'm anxiously waiting to see what the hacker group " Anonymous " can do.

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: nails on December 16, 2015, 12:04:11 PM

I see Politifact being used here quite a bit.

Just for fun, Google " fact checking fact checkers" or Politifact bias, or whatever combination of relevant terms you want.



Fact-checking websites use a number of tactics to convince visitors that they are fair and reliable.  They claim to be non-partisan.  They demonstrate their neutrality by criticizing both sides.  They show that they are thorough and nuanced by assessing some claims as partially true and others as partially false.  And they use gimmicks such as the "Truth-O-Meter" to convince people that they are singularly focused on gauging the truth.

Take for instance PolitiFact.com.  This fact-checking website is operated by the Tampa Bay Times, a newspaper widely considered anti-Republican (and known to some as the "Florida Pravda").  However, if a website purports to be fact checker, then shouldn't it be operated by people who can legitimately claim to be impartial?   PolitiFact is staffed by the same old reporters and researchers.

PolitiFact is really a propaganda site.  It makes selective use of facts to boost President Obama.  The good news is that while anyone can create a "fact check" website, the Web also makes it easy to double check their work.



Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/politifacts_faux_fact_checking.html#ixzz3uVEujb5X (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/politifacts_faux_fact_checking.html#ixzz3uVEujb5X)

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 16, 2015, 02:40:24 PM
Interesting to hear Hillary agreeing with the Republicans ideas on how to prevent future Radical Islamic Terror attacks... 

wanting to get cyber specialists involved, and get insiders or surveillance in Mosques.
Why? She's more of a Republican than she is a Democrat
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 16, 2015, 02:45:03 PM
I'm anxiously waiting to see what the hacker group " Anonymous " can do.
Doing pretty good against terrorism so far. They tore up Trump's website pretty good.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/donald-trump-tower-anonymous-hackers/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/donald-trump-tower-anonymous-hackers/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 16, 2015, 05:25:34 PM
Interesting to hear Hillary agreeing with the Republicans ideas on how to prevent future Radical Islamic Terror attacks... 

wanting to get cyber specialists involved, and get insiders or surveillance in Mosques.



On the Front page in tonight's MEN there is an article says the Government is already using cyber specialists, and that the candidates are way behind in what's going on in this country.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 16, 2015, 09:39:24 PM
How stupid they are at Metro airport.  They gave cell phone lots to wait in to pick up arriving passengers.  Get to terminal and cops have curb lane blocked and try to keep you moving in next 2 lanes.  I stopped to let my passenger in and he told me to move it.  I said I can't without running over her.  They were prob rent a cops with ICE jackets thinking they owned the place.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 16, 2015, 11:54:05 PM
How stupid they are at Metro airport.  They gave cell phone lots to wait in to pick up arriving passengers.  Get to terminal and cops have curb lane blocked and try to keep you moving in next 2 lanes.  I stopped to let my passenger in and he told me to move it.  I said I can't without running over her.  They were prob rent a cops with ICE jackets thinking they owned the place.

Someday in the not too distant future............................. ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 17, 2015, 08:13:27 AM
Is/was the hung jury in the Baltimore case against 6 police officers a case of PC prosecutorial overkill?

Like the Treyvan Martin case in Florida if the prosecutor hadn't felt the need to charge in reaction to the public pressure of protesters - and just applied a few simple charges as should have occurred then you'd have found a more likely instance of a conviction...

But in the PC world they were charged with everything but the kitchen sink - to appease rioters instead of seeking justice.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 18, 2015, 06:44:50 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2015/12/17/furor-over-arabic-assignment-leads-virginia-school-district-to-close-friday/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2015/12/17/furor-over-arabic-assignment-leads-virginia-school-district-to-close-friday/)

Waiting for the ACLU to protest against the school/teacher's use of religion in a classroom... 

Yeah - right  8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 18, 2015, 06:49:48 PM
Is/was the hung jury in the Baltimore case against 6 police officers a case of PC prosecutorial overkill?

Like the Treyvan Martin case in Florida if the prosecutor hadn't felt the need to charge in reaction to the public pressure of protesters - and just applied a few simple charges as should have occurred then you'd have found a more likely instance of a conviction...

But in the PC world they were charged with everything but the kitchen sink - to appease rioters instead of seeking justice.

Sounds like a hung jury was about the best outcome they could get.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 20, 2015, 10:09:39 PM
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/dec/20/city-manager-plans-retire/ (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/dec/20/city-manager-plans-retire/)

Didn't take much to see this happening... 

George is retiring at the same time the new Council takes office

side note:   the police Chief who retired and then got re-hired with double dip pay for 4 years also is re-retiring... 

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 20, 2015, 10:12:40 PM
I'm thinking that so long as Trump can stay alive (as in above the ground) until the RNC Convention in Cleveland, he has a good shot.  Problem is....  staying alive (and he knows it)......
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 21, 2015, 08:51:01 AM
How does one put re-retirement on a resume?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on December 23, 2015, 09:32:21 AM
I'm thinking how wonderful it is that Jeb Bush is such a unifying force in politics in that we can all hate him together both democrats and republicans.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on December 24, 2015, 10:07:48 AM
Merry Christmas!

Jobless claims at 42 year low, gas under $1.75/gallon.  MITT ROMNEY WARNED YOU!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 24, 2015, 10:14:31 AM
Merry Christmas!

Drill Baby Drill!   Trucks over Pipelines create even more jobs! 
Just think if we had factories here in the US what the Jobless rates would be again...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 24, 2015, 10:37:28 AM
Merry Christmas!

Jobless claims at 42 year low, gas under $1.75/gallon.  MITT ROMNEY WARNED YOU!

Neither will last and the motivator behind the claims is simply that those who have exhausted their benefits are no longer counted.....  Those stats are very misleading....  but you already know that duck.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on December 24, 2015, 10:47:01 AM
Merry Christmas!

Jobless claims at 42 year low, gas under $1.75/gallon.  MITT ROMNEY WARNED YOU!


I guess that folks have growth so wealthy that they no longer have to even work:

(http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2005_2015_all_period_M11_data.gif)

...or maybe not:

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/draghi/may_foodstamps.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on December 24, 2015, 10:47:41 AM



Remy: Grandma Got Indefinitely Detained (A Very TSA Christmas) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1uqrwLmQk#)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on December 24, 2015, 10:55:05 AM
Merry Christmas fellow republican excelsior and thank you for ending that graph in 2011!  Let's keep the minumum wage low so we can keep working Americans on food stamps! 

Trump-Cruz-Carson-Rubio-Christie 2016!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 24, 2015, 02:50:54 PM
Merry Christmas fellow republican excelsior and thank you for ending that graph in 2011!  Let's keep the minumum wage low so we can keep working Americans on food stamps! 

Trump-Cruz-Carson-Rubio-Christie 2016!

You are such a.....  well you know what you are.

Let's get the economy going so we can get some growth in wages!

You can't legislate prosperity!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 24, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
It's really a sad state that about half of our population anymore is only qualified to work fastfood joints.  So let's raise the rate of pay instead of educating kids so they have some skills
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on December 24, 2015, 03:22:57 PM
You are such a.....  well you know what you are.

I know EXACTLY what I am.  I'm a republican patriot just like you.  Except I've wasted a few years less of my life posting on this board than you have. Merry Christmas my republican brother!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 24, 2015, 06:22:15 PM
It's really a sad state that about half of our population anymore is only qualified to work fastfood joints.  So let's raise the rate of pay instead of educating kids so they have some skills

I wouldn't really say they are qualified, but they have to take what they can get.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 24, 2015, 07:47:36 PM
I guess that folks have growth so wealthy that they no longer have to even work:

([url]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2005_2015_all_period_M11_data.gif[/url])

...or maybe not:

([url]http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/draghi/may_foodstamps.jpg[/url])

What is that first one a graph of? There is no legend.

The second one is out of date.

http://frac.org/reports-and-resources/snapfood-stamp-monthly-participation-data/ (http://frac.org/reports-and-resources/snapfood-stamp-monthly-participation-data/)

Participation has been going down, but perhaps we can turn that around by eliminating the minimum wage and pay those people what the labor market will bear.

Maybe then we can get that rate going back up again.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on December 24, 2015, 10:35:42 PM
What is that first one a graph of? There is no legend.


I know it isn't Occupy Democrats or the much cited Eclectablog (the site that TPP claims her avatar from), but these numbers are from the U.S. Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics:

http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2005_2015_all_period_M11_data.gif (http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2005_2015_all_period_M11_data.gif)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 25, 2015, 11:23:02 AM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr122515dAPR20151223114642.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 25, 2015, 03:49:57 PM
I know it isn't Occupy Democrats or the much cited Eclectablog (the site that TPP claims her avatar from), but these numbers are from the U.S. Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics:

[url]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2005_2015_all_period_M11_data.gif[/url] ([url]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2005_2015_all_period_M11_data.gif[/url])

I see you have nothing of substance to reply to on the rest of my post.

Keeping your mouth shut is probably yout best move.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 25, 2015, 09:58:40 PM
I see you have nothing of substance to reply to on the rest of my post.

Keeping your mouth shut is probably yout best move.

LOL!

My observations.

1.  You don't think US Government data is valid - even though out of all of us you should think the US Government is competent?  Isn't that totally ironic?  I guess you decided to ignore his jab about the source of the data..... ;D

2.  You never actually made much of an argument about his post for him to answer to that I saw....  Yet you act like you won the discussion because he didn't respond to you..... Also funny!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 25, 2015, 10:55:42 PM
LOL!

My observations.

1.  You don't think US Government data is valid - even though out of all of us you should think the US Government is competent?  Isn't that totally ironic?  I guess you decided to ignore his jab about the source of the data..... ;D

2.  You never actually made much of an argument about his post for him to answer to that I saw....  Yet you act like you won the discussion because he didn't respond to you..... Also funny!
I asked him what his first graph represented because it doesn't have a legend. You know, that information that tells you what the graph lines mean?

The link I provided showed data that states the number of people recieving benefits has been trending downward. And it's also provided by the government. In fact it shows the same data as his example except for the data for the last few years.

Must be why he was using old data.

My statement was that with a little work the Republicans could get that number to go back up if they could just eliminate the minimum wage.

But I was wrong because thar would mean they actually cared about the plight of the poor.

And we all know that's just not true
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: arpydave on December 25, 2015, 11:56:37 PM
I really haven't been following along with what at first glance seems to sound like a rivalry. I dunno. And I'm still not going to take sides, because I wouldn't know just how far I would have to go back.

But I have generally disagreed directly when, a) data is misrepresented, b) cherry-picking of data to support an argument, c) skewing data to support the statistics desired.

That being said, I saw this the other night and bookmarked it, not realizing that it may be topical. Again, not supporting or defending one position or the other; just throwing it out there to see what sticks.

The most misleading charts of 2015, fixed

http://qz.com/580859/the-most-misleading-charts-of-2015-fixed/?google_editors_picks=true (http://qz.com/580859/the-most-misleading-charts-of-2015-fixed/?google_editors_picks=true)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: BigRedDog on December 26, 2015, 07:25:15 AM
I see where someone apparently tried to burn down Bill Clinton's birthplace...

in the city of Hope, Arkansas!!!

I wonder if Monica has an alibi ??? ??? ???


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/26/bill-clintons-first-home-damaged-fire/77904858/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/26/bill-clintons-first-home-damaged-fire/77904858/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on December 26, 2015, 07:44:19 AM
Probably at the dry cleaners picking up a blue dress.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 26, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
I'm thinking Jennifer Flowers.....

Or maybe just someone in Arkansas is tired of it being home of the Clintons.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 26, 2015, 10:53:28 AM

ISIS solution to organ donor shortage... and rules for rape

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-islamic-state-documents-idUSKBN0U805X20151225 (http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-islamic-state-documents-idUSKBN0U805X20151225)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on December 26, 2015, 11:16:51 AM
Thanks....that was an interesting post, but being the skeptic that I am, I noted "US interpretation" along with a few other things that hints of "propaganda".  All organizations and forms of government use propaganda as a tool.....and now this certainly makes me think Rueters could have been used as a tool.

Yea, I know......Fuzz, tune up that tin hat.  Everything in that story could have been fact, but I just flatass don't trust the media anymore to publish facts without persuasive dialog accompanying it to sway opinion.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 26, 2015, 12:40:00 PM
Thanks....that was an interesting post, but being the skeptic that I am, I noted "US interpretation" along with a few other things that hints of "propaganda".  All organizations and forms of government use propaganda as a tool.....and now this certainly makes me think Rueters could have been used as a tool.

Yea, I know......Fuzz, tune up that tin hat.  Everything in that story could have been fact, but I just flatass don't trust the media anymore to publish facts without persuasive dialog accompanying it to sway opinion.
I figured the Reuters version was the least political...  but I do hear you on the media

Shame they have been relegated to second guessing from their straying from reporting news to making it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on December 26, 2015, 02:50:35 PM
I agree, I was somewhat surprised to see those "persuasive" words used by Rueters.  I just happen to look for that in reading a story.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 26, 2015, 10:34:47 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12376613_1486979564944437_5905952137085929473_n.jpg?oh=2b95d1c89eb8b2f9e1229bb73df57aaa&oe=56D3966B)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 26, 2015, 10:49:20 PM
I read most of those reasons to not vote for Bernie - and I just shake my head.

Free stuff, free stuff, free stuff. 

Who is going to pay for it again?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: sammy on December 26, 2015, 10:59:51 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12376613_1486979564944437_5905952137085929473_n.jpg?oh=2b95d1c89eb8b2f9e1229bb73df57aaa&oe=56D3966B)
TPP. Tim, lilly? Ah, fagedaboudit!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 26, 2015, 11:51:41 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12313573_1156496121058821_4147265526907269731_n.jpg?oh=b5c9f02bc5fdea5f009014b94877b764&oe=570C8483)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 27, 2015, 11:08:24 AM
TPP. Tim, lilly? Ah, fagedaboudit!
I know it's hard for you to understand but some people can think and speak for themselves.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 27, 2015, 12:02:32 PM
I know it's hard for you to understand but some people can think and speak for themselves.
You mean republicans  ;D

Apparently you didn't get the DNC memo that Hillary is the chosen one...
but you will assimilate into the collective once you do
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 27, 2015, 03:08:15 PM
You mean republicans  ;D

Apparently you didn't get the DNC memo that Hillary is the chosen one...
but you will assimilate into the collective once you do
For a "Professor" you ain't that bright.

I've already stated that I'm voting for Bernie regardless.

Republicans would be wise to fear him getting the nomination.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on December 27, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
The dens not going to let Bernie get the nomination.  And the republican elites going to try their best to keep Trump out..
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 27, 2015, 07:45:22 PM
For a "Professor" you ain't that bright.

I've already stated that I'm voting for Bernie regardless.

Republicans would be wise to fear him getting the nomination.

So you decided to go the write in candidate mode -    ;)

I know lots of Tim's brighter than you too! 

That would be like a vote for Trump in case you hadn't figured it out  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 27, 2015, 08:27:38 PM
So you decided to go the write in candidate mode -    ;)

I know lots of Tim's brighter than you too! 

That would be like a vote for Trump in case you hadn't figured it out  ;D
If Hillary gets the nomination, it's the best that the Republicans could hope for. Many won't vote for her and many more would just rather not vote at all.

Basically if Bernie doesn't get elected, a Republican will win the election.

Even if that Republicans name is Hillary.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 27, 2015, 08:35:35 PM
If Hillary gets the nomination, it's the best that the Republicans could hope for. Many won't vote for her and many more would just rather not vote at all.

Basically if Bernie doesn't get elected, a Republican will win the election.

Even if that Republicans name is Hillary.
Don't get our hopes up too much...    ;D

There's still lots to overcome - like an FBI investigation hanging over someone's head.

That's Bernies only hope
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 27, 2015, 08:39:32 PM
Don't get our hopes up too much...    ;D

There's still lots to overcome - like an FBI investigation hanging over someone's head.

That's Bernies only hope
Bernie is our only hope.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 27, 2015, 08:50:45 PM
Bernie is our only hope.


Unless you can get Steve Harvey to host the Convention  ;D
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv122315dAPR20151222124515.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 27, 2015, 11:52:40 PM
A Terrified Trump Throws A Twitter Tantrum After Bernie Sanders Truth Bombs His Lies.

A terrified Donald Trump threw a temper tantrum on Twitter after Bernie Sanders obliterated the billionaire by fact bombing his lies.

During an interview on CBS’ Face The Nation, Sen. Sanders said, “Meanwhile, interestingly enough, John, this is a guy who does not want to raise the minimum wage. In fact, he has said that he thinks wages in America are too high. But he does want to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to top three-tenths of one percent.”

Trump responded by throwing a fit on Twitter:

@BernieSanders-who blew his campaign when he gave Hillary a pass on her e-mail crime, said that I feel wages in America are too high. Lie!

Video proves that Trump has said that wages are too high twice.

The first time was during the Fox Business Republican presidential debate:

https://youtu.be/VRmi28fjNOs (https://youtu.be/VRmi28fjNOs)

During the debate, Trump said, “But, taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world. I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. People have to go out, they have to work really hard and have to get into that upper stratum. But we can not do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can’t do it.”

Trump repeated the same point about wages the next morning on MSNBC’s Morning Joe:

https://youtu.be/Ow4aBl3g5Cw (https://youtu.be/Ow4aBl3g5Cw)

Trump said, “We have to become competitive with the world. Our taxes are too high. Our wages are too high.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/27/terrified-donald-trump-throws-twitter-tantrum-bernie-sanders-truth-bombs-lies.html (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/27/terrified-donald-trump-throws-twitter-tantrum-bernie-sanders-truth-bombs-lies.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 28, 2015, 08:11:02 AM
I don't see where Trump lied about a thing.

Bernie wants to legislate prosperity.

Trump understands you cant.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 28, 2015, 08:35:56 AM
I don't see where Trump lied about a thing.

Bernie wants to legislate prosperity.

Trump understands you cant.
Well he's been quoted twice where he has stated that wages are too high, yet he claims that is a lie.

And you don't see where he lied.

Talk about having blinders on.  8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 28, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
Well he's been quoted twice where he has stated that wages are too high, yet he claims that is a lie.

And you don't see where he lied.

Talk about having blinders on.  8*
Talking about the way our system is in comparison to the low wage countries that we are competing against like "China"...  is much different than what you are attributing the statement to.

Context needs to be considered when cherry picking ...  and I don't blame You and Bernie for doing it - we all do it to make our "Point"...   Just saying
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 28, 2015, 09:47:55 AM
Tiny....

I just cannot picture Trump as terrified, thats not in his persona at all.....

"A Terrified Trump Throws A Twitter Tantrum After Bernie Sanders Truth Bombs His Lies."
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 28, 2015, 09:48:56 AM
Talking about the way our system is in comparison to the low wage countries that we are competing against like "China"...  is much different than what you are attributing the statement to.

Context needs to be considered when cherry picking ...  and I don't blame You and Bernie for doing it - we all do it to make our "Point"...   Just saying
Please explain how when he stated "our wages are too high and we just have to work harder to get to that upper stratum" is cherry picking.

What exactly was he trying to say here and how is it being taken out of context?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 28, 2015, 09:51:09 AM
Tiny....

I just cannot picture Trump as terrified, thats not in his persona at all.....

"A Terrified Trump Throws A Twitter Tantrum After Bernie Sanders Truth Bombs His Lies."
Yes I agree. Terrified should be changed to angry.

Angry Trump is Angry.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 28, 2015, 10:05:03 AM
Yes I agree. Terrified should be changed to angry.

Angry Trump is Angry.

Candidly speaking, I've felt since the beginning, that it's a 'game' with Trump.  He's the only candidate that is 'in it', not for the 'job' and it's fringes (like all professional politicians are) but for initiating meaningful change and forcing the Beltway bozo's to be accountable to their constitutients...  (something that Lansing needs as well...)

Trump is a game player, thats how a successful business is managed.  He's damn good at gamemenship, as evidenced by his empire....  Why I like him and will continue to support him.

I still maintain that we need a successful businessman in Washington, not a life long professional politician who's only job (if you want to call it a job) is being a pseudo representative of the people.

Trump isn't that and that is fine with me.

I expect him to make blunders and take missteps.  He freely admits that until 6 months ago he wasn't a 'professional politician'..... and he still isn't and that is what I like about him.  I've had a bellyfull of life long politicians, whose only goal in life is perpetuation of a paycheck, sucking up as much special interest money as possible and getting wealthy off the voting public and not even representing their best interests....  did I describe Hillary there to a Tee????
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 28, 2015, 10:08:31 AM
Sadly, this forum distills everything down to D or R or Independent, thats too bad.

I don't view Trump as a Repuke at all or Hil or Bernie or any of the candidates.  I look at their actual planks and their records and make my determination (vote) on that alone.

Past practice always sets precedent  and that applies to all the candidates as well.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: arpydave on December 28, 2015, 11:02:13 AM
That's pretty well said there SCF. I can see the need for persons running for office needing a support group (political party) to help fund them, provide guidance, etc.

I may have my leaning in my attitudes and such and can be labeled this or that. But I've never voted for a party or along a party line. You're right, it's too bad that much of this discussion degrades into categorizing others instead of addressing their ideas and viewpoints.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 28, 2015, 11:39:19 AM
Please explain how when he stated "our wages are too high and we just have to work harder to get to that upper stratum" is cherry picking.

What exactly was he trying to say here and how is it being taken out of context?

Gee did you miss this part...
 But we can not do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can’t do it.”

As he has said - our trade agreements are against the American workers -   

You actually think NAFTA and the new  Obama Clinton intiative in Asia will be any better for the workers seeking jobs in the US?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Brian Beneteau on December 28, 2015, 02:04:46 PM
 

You actually think NAFTA and the new  Obama Clinton intiative in Asia will be any better for the workers seeking jobs in the US?
Some would say this had an effect on the electing of Obama - kind of like a referendum  ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on December 28, 2015, 02:12:22 PM
Gee did you miss this part...
 But we can not do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can’t do it.”

As he has said - our trade agreements are against the American workers -   

You actually think NAFTA and the new  Obama Clinton intiative in Asia will be any better for the workers seeking jobs in the US?
Let's see, Bernie Sanders was against NAFTA and the TPP.

Guess that's another reason why I'm voting for him
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 28, 2015, 03:56:14 PM
Some would say this had an effect on the electing of Obama - kind of like a referendum  ;)

Which would be assuming the voters knew enough to HAVE a referendum.....
 ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on December 28, 2015, 06:58:47 PM
Which would be assuming the voters knew enough to HAVE a referendum.....
 ;)
It was a referendum -    Free stuff for all,   Free Medical insurance included...   

problem is that no one learned the truth until after the election the way it was set up by design.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Brian Beneteau on December 28, 2015, 07:28:26 PM
It was a referendum -    Free stuff for all,   Free Medical insurance included...   

problem is that no one learned the truth until after the election the way it was set up by design.
That they learn the truth after the fact is of no consequence...just as we all shall see.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on December 28, 2015, 07:41:19 PM
That they learn the truth after the fact is of no consequence...just as we all shall see.

The thing is they keep delaying most of the really the bad stuff until after the next election - but there is always another election coming up.

When will they finally hit us with it?  Next year?

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 29, 2015, 10:32:14 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 29, 2015, 11:15:22 PM
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http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/battle-of-athens (http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/battle-of-athens)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on December 31, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 01, 2016, 10:13:29 AM
Hilliary opened the door and Trump walked right in (playing the Bill card).  I love it.

Nothing would be more interesting than seeing Trump and Hillary debating one on one.  I bet Trump could incite Clinton enough in 5 minutes to bring out the REAL Hillary for all to see....  She's a princess with a whole lot of baggage, most of it corrupt and dishonest.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 01, 2016, 11:41:44 AM
I'm not sure Hillary wants to debate any republican.  It will be interesting to see how she tries to get out of it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 01, 2016, 12:58:46 PM
I'm not sure Hillary wants to debate any republican.  It will be interesting to see how she tries to get out of it.
One thing for sure is she isn't getting any experience from the late saturday night fluff fest the DNC is calling "debates"

I hope Trump has the guts to have  port-a-potty just over his shoulder for the first debate  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: arpydave on January 01, 2016, 01:21:43 PM
I'm not sure Hillary wants to debate any republican.  It will be interesting to see how she tries to get out of it.

Yup   ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 01, 2016, 03:41:40 PM
I'm not sure Hillary wants to debate any republican.  It will be interesting to see how she tries to get out of it.

I don't see her wiggling out of it.  It's SOP for a candidate.  Trump, despite all the negative shitte coming from the GOP sure looks to be the 'annointed' one....

I'm sure that Trump would make any debate with Hil or Bernie, degrade into a principles conversation in very short order and we all know that Hil especially, can't afford that....

I can see her loosing her composure and the 'Real Hillary' coming out for all to see....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 01, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
Several of you have asked what me to predict what will happen to the economy in 2016. I'll hazard a guess but beware: Economic forecasters exist to make astrologers look good.

I expect the U.S. economy to sputter in 2016. That's because the economy faces a deep structural problem: not enough demand for all the goods and services it's capable of producing.

Begin with the fact that American consumers account for almost 70 percent of U.S. economic activity. But they won't have enough purchasing power in 2016 to keep the economy going on more than two cylinders.

Blame widening inequality, in which most economic gains continue to go to the top. The median wage is 4 percent below what it was in 2000, adjusted for inflation. At the same time, the labor participation rate -- the percentage of Americans of working age who have jobs -- remains near a 40-year low.

The median wage of young people, even those with college degrees, is also dropping, adjusted for inflation. That means a continued slowdown in the rate of family formation -- more young people living at home and deferring marriage and children -- further reducing demand for goods and services.

The giant boomer generation won't take up the slack. Boomers haven't saved nearly enough for retirement, so they're being forced to cut back expenditures.
Exports won't make up for this deficiency in demand. To the contrary, Europe remains in or close to recession, China's growth has slowed dramatically, Japan is still on its back, and most developing countries are in the doldrums.

Business investment won't save the day, either. Without enough customers, businesses are not going to step up investment. Add in uncertainties about the future -- who will become president, the makeup of the next Congress, perils in the Middle East, even the possibilities of domestic terrorism -- and I wouldn't be surpassed if business investment declined in 2016.

I'd feel more optimistic if I thought government was ready to spring into action to stimulate demand, but the opposite is true. The Fed has started to raise interest rates -- spooked by an inflationary ghost that shows no sign of appearing. And Congress, notwithstanding its end-of-year tax cutting binge, is still in the thralls of austerity economics.

Chances are, therefore, the next president will inherit an economy teetering on the edge of recession.

Robert Reich
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 01, 2016, 03:45:21 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 01, 2016, 03:51:40 PM
I heard Bill used his cigar to 'mop it up' afterward.....  Wonder if he smoked it then..........

Touche' by the way on Reich....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 01, 2016, 04:06:15 PM
DNC Come out and Play

https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/videos/905881839505004/?theater (https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/videos/905881839505004/?theater)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 01, 2016, 04:20:09 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 01, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
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The Millennials aka Gen Y are driving me nuts at work.

I'm told it is my job to train them, but the little shits don't think they need trained, because they already know everything.

When you tell them they f'd up, they go running to the boss to tell them that you "had a fit" and then they run and hide.

I have news for them.  I am not going to train them until THEY realize they need training, and I will continue to tell them they screwed up when they screw up.  Sooner or later I hope they learn that they don't know what they don't know, and ask to be trained.  Learning to ask what to do when you don't know is a skill, and one they don't know.

I will be happy to train them when they come around and ask for it.  I told my management I will be happy to train them, but it isn't my job to tell them or convince them that they need training - especially not when they tell me I'm going to get drug into HR for behavior that has been acceptable for every generation before theirs.

I am not going to give them a ribbon or trophy just for showing up and screwing things up.  They are just going to have to learn that those days are OVER.  This Gen Xer doesn't play that game.  I don't do it with my kid, and I'm not going to do it with someone else's kid.

If they want to buy me out because I'm so incompatible with the kiddies I'm sure there are openings elsewhere, it seems like most of the experience has already left, and they can hire more low cost kiddies who don't know squat to come on in and bluster about how wonderful and talented they are.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 01, 2016, 07:24:28 PM
I got out 10 years and just started seeing some of that when I left.  They all had the technical skills but didn't know how to apply them
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 01, 2016, 10:32:25 PM
The Millennials aka Gen Y are driving me nuts at work.

I'm told it is my job to train them, but the little shits don't think they need trained, because they already know everything.

When you tell them they f'd up, they go running to the boss to tell them that you "had a fit" and then they run and hide.

I have news for them.  I am not going to train them until THEY realize they need training, and I will continue to tell them they screwed up when they screw up.  Sooner or later I hope they learn that they don't know what they don't know, and ask to be trained.  Learning to ask what to do when you don't know is a skill, and one they don't know.

I will be happy to train them when they come around and ask for it.  I told my management I will be happy to train them, but it isn't my job to tell them or convince them that they need training - especially not when they tell me I'm going to get drug into HR for behavior that has been acceptable for every generation before theirs.

I am not going to give them a ribbon or trophy just for showing up and screwing things up.  They are just going to have to learn that those days are OVER.  This Gen Xer doesn't play that game.  I don't do it with my kid, and I'm not going to do it with someone else's kid.

If they want to buy me out because I'm so incompatible with the kiddies I'm sure there are openings elsewhere, it seems like most of the experience has already left, and they can hire more low cost kiddies who don't know squat to come on in and bluster about how wonderful and talented they are.

LOL  almost spit out my beer -

You being the union guy and all... 
now the Training officer!
having difficulties with training shouldn't happen

Just don't tell me they are part timers...  ;D ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 02, 2016, 09:54:50 AM
Interesting tact...  after all how in this new age would one know who is or isn't getting a free ride...

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UAW publishes list with names of ex-members who have opted out of the union

http://www.wxyz.com/news/uaw-publishes-names-of-ex-members?google_editors_picks=true (http://www.wxyz.com/news/uaw-publishes-names-of-ex-members?google_editors_picks=true)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 02, 2016, 11:10:50 AM
I got out 10 years and just started seeing some of that when I left.  They all had the technical skills but didn't know how to apply them

I see that scenario played out at our place...  Book smart, application stupid.  Usually, theory and practical application don't harmonize too well.  The harder they try to apply book smarts the worse the application gets because the book side never takes into account the 'human factor'.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 02, 2016, 11:10:46 PM
200 Muslims didn't show up for work for 3 days because someone told them they had to not disrupt the workplace with their prayers... 

And when has it become a "fundamental right" to get excused from your job for a religion?

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FORT MORGAN, Colo. -- Nearly 200 Muslim workers have been fired from a Cargill meatpacking plant in Colorado, for walking out after a dispute over prayer breaks.

Praying five times a day is a must for many Muslims.

But Tony Aden says missing even one of those prayers over a break time dispute caused him and many others to walk away from their jobs.

"It don't matter if I don't have a job, my religion is more important," Aden told CBS News.

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A Cargill meatpacking plant in Colorado fired nearly 200 Muslim workers after they walked off the job in a dispute over prayer breaks. CBS DENVER
Cargill spokesperson Michael Martin says prayer is allowed. But he says a misunderstanding of company policy came on December 18th, when 11 workers asked for a break to pray at the same time.

"Coming from that specific work area would have disrupted the workflow so the supervisor told the employees that they could go pray, but they would have to go in smaller numbers than 11," Martin told CBS News. "It would have to be three at a time."

 
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What is it like being a Muslim in America?
The following Monday, nearly 200 employees from the Muslim community didn't show up to work for three consecutive days. The company fired them all.

"There are times when accommodation is not possible," Martin said. "But in an overwhelming majority of instances, we do everything we can to ensure sure that we do accommodate employees."

Jaylani Hussein represents 150 workers who are now without a job.

"Now we are getting supervisors who are telling our clients to go home if they wanted to pray," Hussein said. "If they are denied their basic rights to practice their faith reasonably at their employment, they seem to be losing one of the basic fundamental rights."

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The Cargill plant in Fort Morgan, Colorado is hiring replacements for the Muslim workers it fired. CBS DENVER
Cargill is now hiring to fill the shoes of those who walked out.

Areas have been set up at Cargill since 2009 to accommodate anyone who requested time to pray.

The Council on American Islamic Relations is currently working reach an agreement with Cargill so that those fired workers can return.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hundreds-of-muslim-workers-fired-after-dispute-over-prayers/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hundreds-of-muslim-workers-fired-after-dispute-over-prayers/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 02, 2016, 11:16:45 PM
........Just underscores what a focked up society we live in today....

Myself, I wouldn't give any of them their jobs back....period.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 02, 2016, 11:21:02 PM
Do they want to work or do they want to pray all day. Make a choice.
Sounds like Cargill has been pretty accomodating.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 02, 2016, 11:25:14 PM
I wonder if they wear towels to work????? ;D ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 03, 2016, 10:57:47 AM
I have someone i know that went to Dubai with his wife for New Years.  They were quickly informed them must abide by local customs, dress and behavior or they could leave.
But when the towel heads come hear they bring their custom with them and tell us to shove it.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 03, 2016, 04:16:42 PM
Dubai...  I'd rather go to Hawaii myself.  If I want to see ragheads I can go to Dearborn.

I read in the paper that to rent a 1 bedroom studio apartment in the building that roasted in Dubai (The Address), it was 70 grand a year...  You gotta be kidding me.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 03, 2016, 04:22:24 PM
I have someone i know that went to Dubai with his wife for New Years.  They were quickly informed them must abide by local customs, dress and behavior or they could leave.
But when the towel heads come hear they bring their custom with them and tell us to shove it.
Didn't you know their religion is more important than things like - work...  family...  peace...   

The "200" that quit work were from Somalia -    wonder how many were actually citizens?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 03, 2016, 04:27:54 PM
Didn't you know their religion is more important than things like - work...  family...  peace...   

The "200" that quit work were from Somalia -    wonder how many were actually citizens?

You wonder?  I don't.  Probably here on expired visa's too (in as much as the gunnit has no way of knowing who i9s and who isn't (it's the 'honor' system).....  what bs.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 03, 2016, 04:29:51 PM
I'd like to see this country adopt the 'Putin stance on foreigners'.  One reason I like Trump.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 03, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
It's one thing to be a compasoniate nation that cares about others and helps them. But we are being taken advantage of.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 03, 2016, 04:46:41 PM
I'm thinking the guys running around in Oregon thinking they are a "well armed Militia" aren't all that well armed - and picked a harmless time of the year to get some media publicity...   
If the media ignored them like the Feds... they'd all go away.   It's cold an snowy
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 03, 2016, 07:33:50 PM
Out there, long guns are a way of life, but so is goose down and Thinsulate boots.......
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on January 03, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 03, 2016, 08:58:54 PM
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and yet he can't crack the media blockade protecting Hillary... 
already gave her a pass on those damn emails!   and now is waffling what tact to take until the next big debate -  Oh wait there are no real democrat debates are there  ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on January 03, 2016, 09:08:18 PM
and yet he can't crack the media blockade protecting Hillary... 
already gave her a pass on those damn emails!   and now is waffling what tact to take until the next big debate -  Oh wait there are no real democrat debates are there  ;)
We'll see what happens. He raised over $70M so far and that amount doesn't have any PAC money in it. He also had more than 2 million individual donors.

Iowa will be the big test and it's less than a month away.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 03, 2016, 09:51:35 PM
We'll see what happens. He raised over $70M so far and that amount doesn't have any PAC money in it. He also had more than 2 million individual donors.

Iowa will be the big test and it's less than a month away.
They did show all the so called front runners from a few years ago...

in fact Hillary was one of them in 08  ;D
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 03, 2016, 10:07:30 PM
Gee if Trump had ordered the roundup of all homeless people because it was cold outside you'd hear the media jumping all over him...

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Gov. Andrew Cuomo has directed local governments to get homeless people out of the winter cold by will or, if necessary, by force.
The governor signed an executive order Sunday requiring municipalities statewide to get the homeless into shelters when the temperature (including wind chill temperature) drops to 32 degrees or below. If a homeless person refuses to go to a shelter, the order authorizes police to take them off the streets involuntarily.
The order, which takes effect Tuesday, also requires shelters to extend their hours so they remain open at all times when the mercury drops below freezing.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Cuomo-orders-shelter-by-force-6734438.php (http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Cuomo-orders-shelter-by-force-6734438.php)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 03, 2016, 11:07:44 PM
We'll see what happens. He raised over $70M so far and that amount doesn't have any PAC money in it. He also had more than 2 million individual donors.

Iowa will be the big test and it's less than a month away.

So, you have 2 candidates, one a Democrat and one a Republican and neither have influencing PAC or special interest money to sway their opinion...  But then Bernie is a seasoned legislator, Trump is not....

Every other candidate is behold'in to something or someone....

Interesting
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 03, 2016, 11:15:23 PM
They Haven’t Been Wrong Since 1975 And They Say Our Next President Will Be…

Even with the lead Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) has in the polls, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has continued to garner support from small donors at an historical pace not seen in any previous election – even President Obama’s election, which held the previous record.

Could that be why Western Illinois University just gave Sen. Sanders a hell of a holiday gift?

Introducing President Bernie Sanders
Western Illinois University, the only entity that’s predicted every single presidential election with 100 percent accuracy since 1975, just announced that its mock election sent Sen. Sanders and Martin O’Malley (D-Md.) to the White House in 2016 as President and Vice President, respectively.

From Hollywood A-list stars and musicians to millennials, veterans, and even a small-but-growing crop of Republicans with some common sense, supporters #FeelTheBern all over the demographic map. Sen. Sanders is the single “most electable” candidate from either party, even after running a so-called long-shot bid to be nominated as the 2016 Democratic candidate for president.

The university used the same mock election system in 2007 and 2011 to elect and reelect President Obama to the White House, and it’s the same system they’ve used all these years.

From ‘Most Electable’ to President?
According to the latest Quinnipiac Polling data, although Sen. Sanders is still well behind former Sec. Clinton by more than 30 percentage points, he polls better than any of the GOP presidential candidates – including current GOP front runner Donald Trump.

According to Quinnipiac,

“Sanders does just as well, or even better [than Clinton], against top Republicans.”

Sen. Sanders beats Donald Trump (R) by 8 points, Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) by 1 point, Ted Cruz (R-Texas) by 10 points, and Ben Carson (R) by 6 points, according to Quinnipiac.

Sec. Clinton on the other hand beats Trump by 6 points, Sen. Rubio by 1 point, Sen. Cruz by 5 points and Carson by 10 points, according to Quinnipiac.

What’s even more interesting is the WIU’s prior accuracy, despite naysayers in previous elections. The WIU predicted President Obama’s win in 2007, and in 2011, and our current president’s situation was pretty much the same against Clinton in 2007 as Sen. Sanders’ situation is now against Clinton.

President Obama was behind Sec. Clinton at one point by almost the same number of percentage points.

In a December 14 to 16, 2007, poll, Gallup reported that President Obama, then an Illinois Senator, was behind Sec. Clinton by 18 percentage points in a 45 to 27 percent match-up, respectively.

Republicans said he couldn’t win, but the WIU said otherwise, and the university was right. President Obama eventually pulled ahead of Sec. Clinton to gain enough support to earn the primary win, and earn enough of the popular vote to gain the Presidency.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on January 04, 2016, 09:32:00 AM
So, you have 2 candidates, one a Democrat and one a Republican and neither have influencing PAC or special interest money to sway their opinion...  But then Bernie is a seasoned legislator, Trump is not....

Every other candidate is behold'in to something or someone....

Interesting

Do you think Trump would work for his own best interest or yours? History shows he works to protect himself, not others.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: livewire on January 04, 2016, 09:35:33 AM
Do you think Trump would work for his own best interest or yours? History shows he works to protect himself, not others.

Is that any different from Bernie, or Hillary, or any other politician running for president?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 04, 2016, 09:53:22 AM
Do you think Trump would work for his own best interest or yours? History shows he works to protect himself, not others.
And the Clinton's worked that into an empire...  of course first they were dead broke (probably paying off Bill's harem)

Bill had other interests besides money when he was in the Whitehouse...  ;)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on January 04, 2016, 10:37:06 AM
Is that any different from Bernie, or Hillary, or any other politician running for president?
I'd say Bernie is different. Do you have anything to prove otherwise?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 04, 2016, 11:52:12 AM
I do think Bernie and Trump have an idea as to how to make America great again.  However Bernie's is let the government take over about everything and tax us all to the poorhouse.
Hillary is only feeding her ego and the Clinton Foundation..
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on January 04, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
I do think Bernie and Trump have an idea as to how to make America great again.  However Bernie's is let the government take over about everything and tax us all to the poorhouse.
Hillary is only feeding her ego and the Clinton Foundation..

I agree.  We must have been watching the same Fox News segment.  So glad they are around to tell us what to think!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: The Fuzz on January 04, 2016, 05:14:01 PM
Wondering if the tension between Iran and Saudi Arabia will cause gas prices to start rising?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 04, 2016, 06:55:29 PM
Probably the opposite - as each will need $$... to support their habits

and they need to pump more to get more - as they have learned we also have oil and don't really need all they pump!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 04, 2016, 07:20:47 PM
I see King Obama is furthering his gun control agenda again...  With executive orders.  Problem is, he cannot write the laws and I suspect there will be a legality challenge.

The a'hole needs to take his pen and phone and stuff 'em up his *** where they really belong.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 04, 2016, 09:20:22 PM
I see King Obama is furthering his gun control agenda again...  With executive orders.  Problem is, he cannot write the laws and I suspect there will be a legality challenge.

The a'hole needs to take his pen and phone and stuff 'em up his *** where they really belong.

You and I both know that anything the benevolent leader does is for our own good.

Who is going to challenge it, and in what venue?

The Benevolent Leader is pretty slippery, and he writes the rules of engagement.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: ckirish on January 05, 2016, 12:33:23 AM
This isn't about making America safer.It is about his legacy. This will not make America safer.If he wants to make America safer enforce the existing laws on guns and immigration. His gun control puppets don't make America safer,Our open borders don't make America safer,Aiding and abetting blm doesn't make America safer and casterating our military doesn't make America safer.And certainly a social democrat that only knows "free" and "tax the rich",honeymooned in Russia and had two women kick him off his own stage is no leader.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 05, 2016, 09:53:17 AM
I see the corruption of the "D" control of Chicago is starting to unwind a great city - as the police/city hall/legal departments are all soon to become under federal supervision at the rate they are going...

They have a culture of corruption that has extended to the legal department it seems - since attorneys don't know the "Law" or are intentionally breaking it to support the City

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/05/judge-emanuel-administration-lawyer-intentionally-withheld-evidence-in-case-about-a-fatal-shooting-by-chicago-police/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/05/judge-emanuel-administration-lawyer-intentionally-withheld-evidence-in-case-about-a-fatal-shooting-by-chicago-police/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 05, 2016, 12:05:57 PM
I see the corruption of the "D" control of Chicago is starting to unwind a great city - as the police/city hall/legal departments are all soon to become under federal supervision at the rate they are going...

They have a culture of corruption that has extended to the legal department it seems - since attorneys don't know the "Law" or are intentionally breaking it to support the City

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/05/judge-emanuel-administration-lawyer-intentionally-withheld-evidence-in-case-about-a-fatal-shooting-by-chicago-police/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/05/judge-emanuel-administration-lawyer-intentionally-withheld-evidence-in-case-about-a-fatal-shooting-by-chicago-police/)

Chicago is really no different now than it was in the 20's, just different faces and different pockets to stuff.  Amazing how Upton Sinclair's book 'The Jungle' depicts life then as compared to now.

Every large city with a concentration of humanity has the same issues though it's magnified by Democrats who hold the reigns.....
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on January 06, 2016, 11:43:23 AM
He's no Trump or Cruz, but I'm starting to like this Rubio.  He's putting the blame for North Koreas H bomb right where it should be---- Obama!  Just think if Rubio was president we'd already be at war in Iran, Russia, North Korea, and Syria.  Now thats a REAL leader!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on January 07, 2016, 08:52:13 PM


It appears that the Justice Department inmate release program has finally reached Monroe County tonight.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 07, 2016, 08:55:46 PM

It appears that the Justice Department inmate release program has finally reached Monroe County tonight.
How did you manage to get out?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on January 07, 2016, 09:26:00 PM
How did you manage to get out?

Your daily pulling a train in the showers finally paid off as a distraction.   

Thanks again!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 07, 2016, 09:26:43 PM
The a'hole needs to take his pen and phone and stuff 'em up his *** where they really belong.
There you go again. Your favorite go-to place.

Seems that region is always on your mind.

I understand you can't "give"...so "receiving" is your thing.

Not sure if you're burying your mistakes or eating 'em...but since I heard someone is real interested in your trash...I'd say you're about to be nailed.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 07, 2016, 09:29:23 PM
Your weekly pulling a train in the showers finally paid off.   

Thanks again!
Well gee...with all those guys lined up to get a piece of you...I suspect not only would it difficult to sit down, but to talk as well.

But then you must be used to it by now, you're a pro.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 07, 2016, 10:59:23 PM

It appears that the Justice Department inmate release program has finally reached Monroe County tonight.

That is too funny.  Maybe he ran out of soap on a rope and got out to resupply.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 07, 2016, 11:37:04 PM
Maurice R. “Hank” Greenberg, former head of American International Group, has donated $10 million to the super PAC backing Jeb Bush, making him one of the largest contributors in the 2016 race. It’s another milestone in the unprecedented and shameless flow of money into the 2016 election from America's oligarchs.

Greenberg should be in jail because the insurance he and AIG promised the big Wall Street banks before 2008 turned out to be confetti, and we taxpayers forked up $185 billion to save him and AIG (and, indirectly, the banks AIG was supposed to have insured). But Greenberg didn’t go to jail. In fact, because he thought the terms of the bailout too harsh, he sued the federal government, seeking tens of billions of dollars in damages. In June a federal court threw his lawsuit out, reasoning, correctly, that without the bailout there’d be nothing left of his company.

And now Greenberg is investing a big wad of money in Jeb Bush. When Bush goes under, will Greenberg expect another bailout? Is there any limit to the shamelessness of the top 0.01 percent?
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 08, 2016, 09:26:57 AM
So for some it's okay if their candidate gets $$ from rich people - but they complain if others get it.

Isn't that what the Federal Level of elections has basically boiled down to -


Heck even Bill in his wisdom is willing to compromise and alternate between womanizing and raising cash
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/cb010216dAPR20151231104528.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 08, 2016, 10:32:09 AM
Gee from all the news about the shooting in Chicago - you'd have thought the numbers would be astronomical...  after all they do work in the most dangerous city to be shot...

===================================================
Police-involved Shootings in Chicago

Year      Killed   Wounded
2015            9   16
2014         17   28
2013           13   30
2012            8   49
2011           23   37
2010           13   33
2009           19   42

http://heyjackass.com/ (http://heyjackass.com/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tim Heiss on January 08, 2016, 02:12:30 PM
Gee from all the news about the shooting in Chicago - you'd have thought the numbers would be astronomical...  after all they do work in the most dangerous city to be shot...

===================================================
Police-involved Shootings in Chicago

Year      Killed   Wounded
2015            9   16
2014         17   28
2013           13   30
2012            8   49
2011           23   37
2010           13   33
2009           19   42

[url]http://heyjackass.com/[/url] ([url]http://heyjackass.com/[/url])

Yes, when looking for reliable statistics the first place I go to is a site called http://heyjackass.com (http://heyjackass.com)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on January 08, 2016, 03:20:47 PM
Maybe the Prof\phoney DNC chairperson couldn't resist. Sometimes a site like that just seems to be calling your name............
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 08, 2016, 05:57:43 PM
Yes, when looking for reliable statistics the first place I go to is a site called [url]http://heyjackass.com[/url] ([url]http://heyjackass.com[/url])


LOL   their other numbers match or are pretty close to the Tribunes daily tote board - so I figure that's where they get the data

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings (http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings)


Do you disagree with the findings? 

Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 08, 2016, 08:11:04 PM
Yes, when looking for reliable statistics the first place I go to is a site called [url]http://heyjackass.com[/url] ([url]http://heyjackass.com[/url])


Gee, I thought you went to bumfunkeqypt....Isn't that your bud's e-mail address??
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on January 13, 2016, 07:50:43 PM

Oh the irony..

Obama to Congress: Please Authorize What I'm Already Doing
...but if you don't authorize it, he'll keep doing it anyway.

If there was a single moment in the State of the Union that summed up the state of executive power in the United States today, it was when Barack Obama said this...

For more than a year, America has led a coalition of more than 60 countries to cut off ISIL's financing, disrupt their plots, stop the flow of terrorist fighters, and stamp out their vicious ideology. With nearly 10,000 air strikes, we're taking out their leadership, their oil, their training camps, their weapons. We're training, arming, and supporting forces who are steadily reclaiming territory in Iraq and Syria.

...and then, immediately afterward, said this:

If this Congress is serious about winning this war, and wants to send a message to our troops and the world, you should finally authorize the use of military force against ISIL. Take a vote.

We live in an age when a president can describe the military force he is using against the Islamic State, then blithely suggest that Congress could help by authorizing it. All without a trace of either shame or irony on his face.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/obama-to-congress-please-authorize-what (http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/obama-to-congress-please-authorize-what)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 13, 2016, 10:42:41 PM
I really don't like being like Dickweed and play the copy-pasta card but....  This is a good read....

FULL TRANSCRIPT

Greetings, my fellow Americans - I’m Michelle Malkin with Conservative Review.

Later tonight, President Barack Obama will deliver his final State of the Union address.

He’ll recycle his same old self-aggrandizing talking points, spike his football, wag his bony finger, and smirk into the teleprompter as leaders of BOTH political parties clap like trained seals—and Supreme Court judges struggle to stay awake.

Get the smelling salts. Open your eyes. Here’s the no-bullcrap truth:

The State of the Union sucks.

Obama will claim that the economy is roaring, opportunity is expanding, the American Dream is alive and well.

Yeah? Ask the families of veterans who died because of the Obama VA’s disgraceful secret wait lists.

Ask the families of the victims of jihad attacks across America - from Fort Hood to the Boston Marathon bombing to the Washington Navy Yard to San Bernardino - who lost their lives thanks to incompetent homeland security policies and ideological delusions about Islam.

Ask the families of victims of illegal alien criminals aided and abetted by liberal sanctuary policies, catch and release, and open borders.

Ask the employees whose work hours and benefits have been slashed, and who can longer keep their doctors and insurance plans, because of Obamacare.

Ask the high-skilled workers who’ve been sacked by American companies and replaced with cheap H-1B foreign labor.

Ask the pro-life organizations and small business owners forced to sue to defend their conscience rights against Obamacare’s unconstitutional abortion mandate.

Ask the victims of the vindictive IRS political witch hunts…

…or EPA land grabs and power grabs.

…Or the countless government watchdogs and inspectors general who’ve been retaliated against and bullied.

Ask the taxpayers whose hard-earned money was redistributed to irresponsible banks, fraudulent green energy companies, and deep-pocketed Democrat union bosses at the United Auto Workers in the name of “saving the auto industry.”

Ask the nearly 50 million Americans now dependent on food stamps or the nation’s black teenagers whose unemployment rate stands at a staggering 24 percent.

7 years under Obama have given us:

More racial division and strife;

More mountains of debt;

More Gitmo jihadists let loose to return to the battlefield, like the ones Obama traded for thatcrapweasel Bowe Bergdahl;

Less personal liberty, religious liberty, and economic liberty;

Dangerous illegal alien border surges and refugee dumps overwhelming schools, hospitals, and social services;

Executive amnesty run amok;

Out of control policy czars;

Corruptocrats in every agency and department;

Systematic circumvention of the deliberative process;

And calculated sabotage of our most precious founding principles.

To Obama, the Constitution is and always has been nothing more than a “piece of paper” – like the Kleenex he blows his nose with or the Charmin he uses to wipe.

But here’s more no-bullcrap truth:

Obama’s radical transformation of America wouldn’t have been possible without feckless Republicans in Washington who have rolled over at every turn.

On Common Core.

No Child Left Behind reauthorization. Immigration.

Secretive trade deals & blank-check trade promotion authority.

Big Business crony subsidies.

Omnibus spending.

Busted budget caps and the debt ceiling.

Liberal judges galore.

Americans don’t need to hear how Beltway Republicans are infinitely better than the Democrats. They’re not.

Americans don’t need to hear how if we could just elect more Republicans, things would somehow become magically better. They won’t.

The GOP has had a majority in the House, the Senate, and in theory -- a majority of conservative Justices on the Supreme Court, for the past year… and things have only gotten worse.

We’ve seen the disintegration of what marriage means.

The upholding of illegal Obamacare mandates and subsidies.

The continued subversion of regular order.

And the complete abdication of the power of the purse.

What did a new Speaker of the House get us? The same old backroom-dealing and rubber-stamping business as usual!

Conservative Americans want action. We want Security, Society & Sovereignty in deeds, not just words.

[Security:]

Islamic radicals from all corners of the planet seek the destruction of America. These Jihadists are exploiting every weakness in our system to further their bloody warped worldview.

To be a magnet for peace and freedom loving people, we must be a secure nation, and one that protects its own citizens first and foremost.

Put this on a bumper sticker, make it a hashtag, hang a banner across Capitol Hill:

AMERICAN LIVES MATTER.

[Society]:

America’s posterity is only as certain as the amount of Liberty secured by the current generation. We’ve seen seismic shifts in societal norms -- politicians must fight for order and tranquility.

Our Constitution requires laws that promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty, to ourselves and our posterity, and Congress must be the guardians of those sacred principles.

Politicians must stand and defend American society, and the order which it was built upon.

[Sovereignty]:

For the future to mean anything -- we must be a sovereign country, rooted and grounded in the rule of law with a true separation of powers. To be a more perfect Union, we must uphold the Constitution.

Government should not be the supreme authority, but should be a servant to the people – a mediator of Justice and Liberty.

If President Obama won’t play by the rules, it is the constitutional duty of the opposition party to oppose lawlessness, not surrender to it.

Conservatives must confront their elected officials:

If you disagree with the president – will you rise to the occasion and work to restore liberty and defend the Constitution?

Or, do you care more about “governing” and political compromise and your next re-election?

2016 is important, but a new conservative president won’t be enough.

We need men and women entrusted at all levels of government to make America a safe space for freedom again…

To defend our rights and liberties…

…and to stop the further desecration of the Constitution and the destruction of the American Dream.

Good night, and God Help America.

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/c....OSZotfYA.dpuf (https://www.conservativereview.com/c....OSZotfYA.dpuf)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 13, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Go Trump....  Make America Great Again..........
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on January 14, 2016, 12:34:35 PM
I watched that pathetic speech the other night.  Without Bohner Obama was finally the darkest parson on the podium.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 14, 2016, 12:55:02 PM
I watched that pathetic speech the other night.  Without Bohner Obama was finally the darkest parson on the podium.

Racist.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on January 14, 2016, 05:00:08 PM
Racist.

We resemble that remark, both of us republicans you and me.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on January 14, 2016, 05:03:27 PM
Can't wait for the debate tonight!  They are ALL winners to me and my republican bros Excelsior and MonroeNative!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: excelsior on January 14, 2016, 10:45:18 PM



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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 14, 2016, 10:59:45 PM
I watched that pathetic speech the other night.  Without Bohner Obama was finally the darkest parson on the podium.
You're Fry is showing...    next you'll be using homosexual slurs - oh wait you already have in another thread.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 15, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
But I thought Obama said Tuesday that the Economy was GREAT!

Now the Stock Market is going down, and Wal Mart is closing stores?

Things don't seem so great.....

Quote
NEW YORK (AP) -- Wal-Mart is closing 269 stores, more than half of them in the U.S. and another big chunk in its challenging Brazilian market.

The stores being shuttered account for a fraction of the company's 11,000 stores worldwide and less than 1 percent of its global revenue.

More than 95 percent of the stores set to be closed in the U.S. are within 10 miles of another Wal-Mart. The Bentonville, Arkansas, company said it is working to ensure that workers are placed in nearby locations.

The store closures will start at the end of the month.

The announcement comes three months after Wal-Mart Stores Inc. CEO Doug McMillon told investors that the world's largest retailer would review its fleet of stores with the goal of becoming more nimble in the face of increased competition from all fronts, including from online rival Amazon.com.

"Actively managing our portfolio of assets is essential to maintaining a healthy business," McMillon said in a statement. "Closing stores is never an easy decision. But it is necessary to keep the company strong and positioned for the future."

Wal-Mart operates 4,500 in the U.S. Its global workforce is 2.2 million, 1.4 million in the U.S. alone.

Wal-Mart has warned that its earnings for the fiscal year starting next month will be down as much as 12 percent as it invests further in online operations and pours money into improving customers' experience.

Of the closures announced Friday, 154 locations will be in the U.S., including the company's 102 smallest-format stores called Wal-Mart Express, which were opened as a test in 2011.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WAL_MART_STORE_CLOSURES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-15-09-18-12 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WAL_MART_STORE_CLOSURES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-15-09-18-12)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 15, 2016, 01:08:02 PM
Strange - an editorial on CNBC calling for doom and gloom in the Economy.

But Obama just said the Economy was GREAT!

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/15/a-recession-worse-than-2008-is-coming-commentary.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/15/a-recession-worse-than-2008-is-coming-commentary.html)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 15, 2016, 01:24:32 PM
Wallyworld closing stores?

No wonder China is tanking!
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 15, 2016, 03:57:49 PM
Yesterday, Goldman Sachs settled with the Justice Department over its fraudulent handling of mortgage-backed securities – which contributed to the financial crisis and millions of people losing their jobs, homes, and savings. Goldman has agreed to pay $5.1 billion. That will put a crimp on this year’s profits and bonus checks. But not a single Goldman executive will go to jail.

Other major banks -- JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup and Bank of America -- have reached similar, multi-billion dollar settlements. (See “The Big Short.”) But Goldman is special. Matt Taibbi described it in a “Rolling Stone” piece a few years ago as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.”

The financial crisis itself read like a Who’s Who of Goldman Sachs graduates. As George Bush's last Treasury secretary, former Goldman CEO Henry Paulson was the architect of the bailout of Wall Street. Robert Rubin, Bill Clinton's former Treasury secretary -- who in the late 1990s spearheaded the efforts to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act and prevent the Commodities Future Trading Corporation from regulating derivatives -- spent 26 years at Goldman. After being Clinton's Treasury secretary he went on to becoming chairman of Citigroup — which in turn got a $300 billion taxpayer bailout from Paulson. John Thain, who after leaving Goldman became chief of Merrill Lynch, got a multi-billion-dollar handout from Paulson that helped Bank of America rescue Thain's firm. Another Goldman graduate, Joshua Bolten, was George W.’s chief of staff during the bailout. Paulson also put Ed Liddy, a former Goldman director, in charge of bailed-out insurance giant AIG -- which forked over $13 billion of taxpayer money to Goldman once Liddy came on board. Another Goldman alum became the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York when the New York Fed was overseeing Goldman’s bailout. As Taibbi put it, “If America is circling the drain, Goldman Sachs has found a way to be that drain — an extremely unfortunate loophole in the system of Western democratic capitalism, which never foresaw that in a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.”

And yet, even as of yesterday’s settlement, no Goldman executive or former executive has even been indicted, let alone jailed.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 15, 2016, 05:46:04 PM
Jamie Dimon is such a brilliant man. The politicians worship him.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 15, 2016, 07:12:30 PM
Yesterday, Goldman Sachs settled with the Justice Department over its fraudulent handling of mortgage-backed securities – which contributed to the financial crisis and millions of people losing their jobs, homes, and savings. Goldman has agreed to pay $5.1 billion. That will put a crimp on this year’s profits and bonus checks. But not a single Goldman executive will go to jail.

Other major banks -- JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup and Bank of America -- have reached similar, multi-billion dollar settlements. (See “The Big Short.”) But Goldman is special. Matt Taibbi described it in a “Rolling Stone” piece a few years ago as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.”

The financial crisis itself read like a Who’s Who of Goldman Sachs graduates. As George Bush's last Treasury secretary, former Goldman CEO Henry Paulson was the architect of the bailout of Wall Street. Robert Rubin, Bill Clinton's former Treasury secretary -- who in the late 1990s spearheaded the efforts to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act and prevent the Commodities Future Trading Corporation from regulating derivatives -- spent 26 years at Goldman. After being Clinton's Treasury secretary he went on to becoming chairman of Citigroup — which in turn got a $300 billion taxpayer bailout from Paulson. John Thain, who after leaving Goldman became chief of Merrill Lynch, got a multi-billion-dollar handout from Paulson that helped Bank of America rescue Thain's firm. Another Goldman graduate, Joshua Bolten, was George W.’s chief of staff during the bailout. Paulson also put Ed Liddy, a former Goldman director, in charge of bailed-out insurance giant AIG -- which forked over $13 billion of taxpayer money to Goldman once Liddy came on board. Another Goldman alum became the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York when the New York Fed was overseeing Goldman’s bailout. As Taibbi put it, “If America is circling the drain, Goldman Sachs has found a way to be that drain — an extremely unfortunate loophole in the system of Western democratic capitalism, which never foresaw that in a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.”

And yet, even as of yesterday’s settlement, no Goldman executive or former executive has even been indicted, let alone jailed.

Keep in mind that Kaisch sat on the board....  What a turd.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 15, 2016, 07:16:09 PM
Keep in mind that Kaisch sat on the board....  What a turd.

A steaming turd.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 15, 2016, 07:49:54 PM
Wal-Mart is closing two stores in Michigan.

Man - I am sure glad the President thinks the Economy is booming!

http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2016/01/wal-mart_to_close_stores_in_mi.html#incart_river_home_pop (http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2016/01/wal-mart_to_close_stores_in_mi.html#incart_river_home_pop)

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BENTONVILLE, Ark -- Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. will shutter 2 stores in Michigan as part of 154 planned closures in the U.S. and 269 around the globe.

The southeast Michigan stores, a Wal-Mart in Hartland and Sam's Club in Waterford, are slated to close by Jan. 28. Wal-Mart operates 94 locations across the state.

The Hartland supercenter employs 300, and the Waterford Sam's Club has a workforce of 115.

Walmart's goal is to place as many associates as possible who would like to continue with the company at other nearby locations, a Wal-Mart spokeswoman told MLive and the Grand Rapids Press.

Nearly 95 percent of the U.S. stores selected for closure are within 10 miles of another Wal-Mart.

The Bentonville, Arkansas-headquartered company said it expected to reassign most of the 10,000 workers impacted in the U.S. to nearby locations. North Carolina and Texas were the states that took the biggest hit on store closures.

In total, 16,000 Wal-mart employees work at the 269 stores that will be closed around the world.

Employees, who aren't placed in new locations, will receive 60 days of pay, and in some cases, severance pay. They will also be assisted with resume and interview skill training.

"The decision to close stores is difficult and we care about the associates who will be impacted," Wal-Mart CEO Doug McMillon said in a statement. "We invested considerable time assessing our stores and clubs and don't take this lightly. We are supporting those impacted with extra pay and support, and we will take all appropriate steps to ensure they are treated well."
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 15, 2016, 07:55:22 PM

So is the message they want more people in Detroit to get the population up at all costs...

or

the people coming from war torn countries would feel at home in the blight neighborhoods?


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DETROIT (AP) - Efforts are moving forward to make Detroit a destination for refugees from Syria and other war-torn countries.

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2016/jan/15/efforts-move-forward-to-make-detroit-a-refugee/?in-other-news (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2016/jan/15/efforts-move-forward-to-make-detroit-a-refugee/?in-other-news)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 15, 2016, 07:57:09 PM
So is the message they want more people in Detroit to get the population up at all costs...

or

the people coming from war torn countries would feel at home in the blight neighborhoods?


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DETROIT (AP) - Efforts are moving forward to make Detroit a destination for refugees from Syria and other war-torn countries.

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2016/jan/15/efforts-move-forward-to-make-detroit-a-refugee/?in-other-news[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2016/jan/15/efforts-move-forward-to-make-detroit-a-refugee/?in-other-news[/url])


The Police Chief has said that more armed people would make Detroit safer....

But I am not sure that was were he was going with that thought.

 8*
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 15, 2016, 11:33:45 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Tiny on January 15, 2016, 11:49:12 PM
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Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 16, 2016, 12:14:10 AM
You're Fry is showing...    next you'll be using homosexual slurs - oh wait you already have in another thread.
LOL...aside from you not knowing that "you're" is a contraction of "you are"...it appears you think I have something to do with that new person.

Well I don't...and haven't clue who it is...but I can tell you this...it's not DS. He would never make the references that you've claimed.

But then you've proven yourself over and over, to not be very bright.

Meanwhile I'll eagerly await your next ignorant right-wing propaganda post....or your thinly veiled racist ones.

Your only hope is if lessgovernment starts posting again...otherwise you're the low IQ champion of the forum.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 16, 2016, 06:17:34 AM
So is the message they want more people in Detroit to get the population up at all costs...

or

the people coming from war torn countries would feel at home in the blight neighborhoods?



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DETROIT (AP) - Efforts are moving forward to make Detroit a destination for refugees from Syria and other war-torn countries.

[url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2016/jan/15/efforts-move-forward-to-make-detroit-a-refugee/?in-other-news[/url] ([url]http://www.monroenews.com/news/2016/jan/15/efforts-move-forward-to-make-detroit-a-refugee/?in-other-news[/url])


be just like the place they left...lol
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Professor H on January 16, 2016, 08:16:14 AM
be just like the place they left...lol
I'm guessing that's why they didn't suggest to place them in Idaho - where the HQ's for the placement agency listed was...
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: arpydave on January 16, 2016, 10:12:39 AM
Or maybe they want them within the city limits so they can squeeze them by paying city tax if they work where they live.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Frenchfry on January 16, 2016, 08:56:16 PM
I'm guessing that's why they didn't suggest to place them in Idaho - where the HQ's for the placement agency listed was...
Idaho...one of the most racist states:

http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racists-states-us/ (http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racists-states-us/)

http://www.spokesman.com/topics/aryan-nations/ (http://www.spokesman.com/topics/aryan-nations/)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 16, 2016, 09:12:18 PM
You should recognize rascist's. Your democrats have the 4 biggest ones ever.  I don't have to name them. We all know they are
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 16, 2016, 09:31:32 PM
Or maybe they want them within the city limits so they can squeeze them by paying city tax if they work where they live.

Actually in the City of Detroit they get you for taxes if you work there, or if you live there - assuming you HAVE a job - which many of the residents don't bother with.
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: Monroe Native on January 18, 2016, 08:27:36 PM
Max and Irma's closing down all but 2 Michigan locations.

Man - this economy is just BOOMING!

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2016/01/max.html#incart_river_home_pop (http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2016/01/max.html#incart_river_home_pop)
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (political version)
Post by: blue2 on January 18, 2016, 08:30:28 PM
Jeep reducing builds from 500,000 to 300,000. +/-
Title: Re: What are you thinking - (politic