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Title: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 20, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
They've been in the news quite a bit lately...  under all 3 categories above!  I guess it's time to have a thread about them because it's only a matter of time that we'll be seeing them on a more regular basis...

in some cases they'll be right outside your own house!

Here's a website where you can register your property as a 'no fly drone zone'... 

my guess is that in most cases it won't keep anyone from actually flying over your property...

but if they do and you decide to use said drone for target practice and you succeed in downing it...

and the owner decided to take you to court...

maybe the fact that you had actually registered your property and they still chose to ignore your request...

maybe, just maybe, it will help with your case!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/hate-drones-this-new-website-lets-you-create-a-110632205119.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/hate-drones-this-new-website-lets-you-create-a-110632205119.html)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 27, 2015, 12:35:24 PM
First a few photos...

and now sending you 'specific ads' direct to your cell phone!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/marketing-drones-scanned-los-angeles-for-cellphone-location-data/ar-BBhZZOF (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/marketing-drones-scanned-los-angeles-for-cellphone-location-data/ar-BBhZZOF)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 28, 2015, 01:10:25 AM
I have a couple nice 'anti-drone' rifles.  Invade my airspace and I'll shoot you down.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 28, 2015, 06:44:06 AM
I have a couple nice 'anti-drone' rifles.  Invade my airspace and I'll shoot you down.

Before you shoot I'd check to make sure it's not that $175K state police drone :o :o :o
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 28, 2015, 05:47:11 PM
Before you shoot I'd check to make sure it's not that $175K state police drone :o :o :o

I'm non-discriminatory.  Another politically motivated expensiture.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 04, 2015, 01:51:05 PM
A new organization to deal with some 'regulation'...

I hope some people aren't as opposed to drone regulation as they are internet regulation ;) ;) ;)

http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/?sf7794355=1 (http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/?sf7794355=1)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 04, 2015, 02:11:14 PM
I was down on Monroe Street in Sylvania yesterday...

I actually stopped and took a couple of pictures of this crane while I was there...

it has one 'ugly' flag flying from the boom ;) ;) ;)

Then while trying to figure out what they were building I stumbled on this website...   I posted the pictures of the freighter already in the 'appropriate' thread!!!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10950671_782844521812023_2117522713964804349_o.jpg)

You may have to slide the picture to see the crane.  If you can't see it the flag is from some college down in Columbus ;D ;D ;D

The new building is a new ProMedica facility...

maybe they'll use the same plans to build a new facility in Monroe down the road 8) 8) 8)

More at:  https://www.facebook.com/highermediaproductions?fref=photo (https://www.facebook.com/highermediaproductions?fref=photo)

The pictures of the yellow Piper Cub were shot at the little airport down in Lambertville!

Here is the link to their website:

http://www.highermediaproductions.com/ (http://www.highermediaproductions.com/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 05, 2015, 12:24:05 PM
Someone posted something a few days ago regarding using miniature drones inside the body...  Sorry,  I searched and can't find it so I'll 'reply' here!  Looks like we're pretty close to that idea already:

http://www.wxyz.com/news/researchers-develop-tiny-soft-gripper-robots (http://www.wxyz.com/news/researchers-develop-tiny-soft-gripper-robots)

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 10, 2015, 10:41:48 AM
The MSP are the first state police unit in the nation to get FAA approval to fly their drone...

wonder what would have happened if they'd been denied...

oh, well, the taxpayers didn't buy the drone...   Homeland Security did ;D ;D ;D

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/09/drone-michigan-state-police-faa/24659777/ (http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/09/drone-michigan-state-police-faa/24659777/)

Here's a site that you can register your property as a 'no fly zone' for drones and 'theoretically' that will block most drones from flying into your airspace!

I'm sure it won't do a thing to keep the MSP drone out though ;) ;) ;)

It looks like it's a lot like the 'do not call list'...    looks good in theory but in practice the only people that observe the rules are the good guys anyway :-\ :-\ :-\

https://www.noflyzone.org/ (https://www.noflyzone.org/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: blue2 on March 10, 2015, 11:03:57 AM
I'm shocked racist Holder has allowed the cops to have a drone.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 10, 2015, 11:48:20 AM
Here's the Detroit News article on the approval of the drones for the MSP...

the video mentions possibly allowing the film industry to use them:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/michigan/2015/03/09/michigan-state-police-gets-ok-use-drone/24654161/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/michigan/2015/03/09/michigan-state-police-gets-ok-use-drone/24654161/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 11, 2015, 10:03:31 PM
Drone carrying 3 kilos of meth crashes near US-Mexico border
January 22, 2015

Tijuana shoppers experience a close encounter of an illegal kind after a drug-smuggling drone crash-lands in a store parking lot.
http://www.cnet.com/news/drone-carrying-three-kilos-of-meth-crashes-near-us-mexico-border/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/drone-carrying-three-kilos-of-meth-crashes-near-us-mexico-border/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 11, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
Now Corporate Drones are Spying on Cell Phones

The marketing firm Adnear is using drones to track cell phone users:

The capture does not involve conversations or personally identifiable information, according to director of marketing and research Smriti Kataria. It uses signal strength, cell tower triangulation, and other indicators to determine where the device is, and that information is then used to map the user's travel patterns.

"Let's say someone is walking near a coffee shop," Kataria said by way of example.

The coffee shop may want to offer in-app ads or discount coupons to people who often walk by but don't enter, as well as to frequent patrons when they are elsewhere. Adnear's client would be the coffee shop or other retailers who want to entice passersby.

[...]

The system identifies a given user through the device ID, and the location info is used to flesh out the user's physical traffic pattern in his profile. Although anonymous, the user is "identified" as a code. The company says that no name, phone number, router ID, or other personally identifiable information is captured, and there is no photography or video.
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/03/now_corporate_d.html (https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/03/now_corporate_d.html)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 11, 2015, 10:06:24 PM
Game of Drones: As US Dithers, Rivals Get a Head Start

Drones, or unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), are a hot ticket in Silicon Valley, but U.S. government dithering over regulations has given overseas companies a head-start in figuring out how best to exploit them.
Global spending on drones could add up to close to $100 billion over the next decade, with commercial uses - from farming and filming to pipelines and parcels - accounting for around an eighth of that market, according to BI Intelligence.

But for years, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the authority largely responsible for regulation in the United States, has dragged its feet, only last month issuing draft rules on who can fly drones, how and where. It's likely to be a year or more before the regulations are in place - good news for companies operating outside the U.S. and looking to build a business around drones.

Sky-Futures, a British company that dominates the use of drones to collect and analyse inspection data for oil and gas companies, says its business soared 700 percent last year as the normally conservative energy industry embraced the new technology. Co-founder and operations director Chris Blackford said the company is coupling drones with software and a better understanding of what works in the field, giving Sky-Futures "a head-start over the U.S because we understand pretty intimately the problems facing the oil and gas market, and how we can solve them with technology."

Looser regulations outside the U.S. have created pockets of innovation attracting ideas, money and momentum, says Patrick Thevoz, co-founder and CEO of Swiss-based Flyability, which builds drones inside a spherical cage that allows them to bump through doors, tunnels and forests without losing balance.

Another British company, BioCarbon Engineering, hopes to speed up reforestation by using drones to plant germinated seeds, and shares in New Zealand-based Martin Aircraft trebled in the first few days after listing in Australia last month, on investor hopes for the personalised aircraft maker which is developing a UAV that could be used by the military, oil and gas, mining and farming industries.

In Japan, the government is looking to fast track industry-friendly regulation to give its drone business an edge.

More here:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/cameras/news/game-of-drones-as-us-dithers-rivals-get-a-head-start-668490 (http://gadgets.ndtv.com/cameras/news/game-of-drones-as-us-dithers-rivals-get-a-head-start-668490)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 11, 2015, 10:10:00 PM
Secret Service to carry out drone tests over Washington

The US Secret Service is to carry out secret drone flights over Washington over the next few weeks. This is part of a covert government program to find ways to counter rogue drones that could threaten sensitive buildings in the city.

Washington is a strict no-fly zone, but an exception is going to be made for the Secret Service. A series of drone flights will take between 1 am and 4 am as the intelligence body looks at ways to stop potential civilian drones that could pose a threat to national security. Techniques including signal jamming will be used, according to AP, who learned about the proposed tests from a US official.

Intelligence agencies fear that drones could be potentially used by terrorists as the unmanned aircraft are powerful enough to carry small amounts of explosives or a grenade. Recent rogue drone sightings in Paris have proven how difficult it can be for law enforcement or security agencies to keep track of them.

French aviation and air safety expert Christophe Naudin at the time of the Paris incidents said it was very difficult to keep tabs on an unmanned aircraft flying in a built up area.

“It’s almost impossible to keep track of a drone in a city,” said Naudin, speaking to The Local. “If you were in the countryside it would be easier, but not in Paris. You can’t follow it from one building to another, even in a very cast car.”

This is why the US security services are looking at jamming techniques as a possible way to stop potential drone attacks. The majority of drones are operated via common radio frequencies that are similar to Wi-Fi or Bluetooth signals. The Secret Service believes that signals from a drone, such as a video transmission, would allow them to detect and track the unmanned aircraft and then deal with it as they see fit.

The downside would be residents in the vicinity would have their Wi-Fi and mobile phone signals jammed for as long as the jamming device was switched on.

More here:
http://rt.com/usa/239349-drones-washington-secret-service/ (http://rt.com/usa/239349-drones-washington-secret-service/)

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http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/secret-service-protect-white-house-from-drones/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/secret-service-protect-white-house-from-drones/)

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SkyJack: The drone that hijacks other drones in mid-air
http://www.gizmag.com/skyjack-hijacks-other-drones/30055/ (http://www.gizmag.com/skyjack-hijacks-other-drones/30055/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 11, 2015, 10:56:55 PM
Record number of drone pilots quit jobs, cite PTSD & mental health issues

New reports show that a record number of drone pilots and operators are leaving their positions, despite the Obama administration ramping up drone warfare abroad. RT’s Anya Parampil examines the numbers and why people have been leaving their posts – including for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDv_A3AiWYU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDv_A3AiWYU#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 11, 2015, 11:40:15 PM
Wonder when the State Police will have a drone bovering over your shack?
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 12, 2015, 01:22:18 PM
My son just sent me this...

as soon as 'man' can invent something someone else will figure out how to make it go faster than the 'next guy' and pretty soon they're racing them ;D ;D ;D

http://m.vingle.net/posts/737570-Drones-just-got-a-whole-lot-cooler-POV-drone-racing?adf (http://m.vingle.net/posts/737570-Drones-just-got-a-whole-lot-cooler-POV-drone-racing?adf)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 12, 2015, 02:22:38 PM
I have a couple nice 'anti-drone' rifles.  Invade my airspace and I'll shoot you down.


In a few years you may want to think twice about that...

it may be one of these that can shoot back!!!

This guy makes it sound like he's Russian...

isn't that a big old Oldsmobile behind him in several of the scenes  ??? ??? ???

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 12, 2015, 10:08:43 PM
I want one....
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 13, 2015, 07:37:50 AM
I want one....

My son bought two yesterday (not the one with the machine gun)!

A small 'trainer' for indoor practice and training...   you could put two of them on the face of a smart phone.  I got down there just as he was starting his 2nd 'training' flight.  He was doing pretty good with it for no longer than he had to practice.  But, he's a welder so has pretty steady hands already. 

Then he has a bigger one with a video/still camera.  After a couple of practice flights with the little one he decided to take the big one out in the back yard and try it.  On this one the video streams direct to his phone while he uses the controls.  Again, he had it going good in just a few minutes.  He's in a suburban subdivision so he didn't want to let it get too high or too far away.  Hopefully he'll get it out here today and we can take it out in one of the hayfields and really 'test' it out!

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 13, 2015, 10:11:19 AM
The accent sounds fake.

And if you click through the long list of videos the guy posted, you'll see quite a few American vehicles.

Plus the topography doesn't seem like anything in Russia that I'm aware of...but then I'm no expert.

It's difficult to imagine a drone maintaining airborne stability firing a machine gun.

Saw the gun pointed at the guy...and wondered if the guy thought about what could go wrong.

Figured the first shot would exit with enough force that it could turn the drone laterally...and strafe his behind.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 13, 2015, 10:40:21 AM
The accent sounds fake.

And if you click through the long list of videos the guy posted, you'll see quite a few American vehicles.

Plus the topography doesn't seem like anything in Russia that I'm aware of...but then I'm no expert.

It's difficult to imagine a drone maintaining airborne stability firing a machine gun.

Saw the gun pointed at the guy...and wondered if the guy thought about what could go wrong.

Figured the first shot would exit with enough force that it could turn the drone laterally...and strafe his behind.

Kind of moot anyway, you can't own anything with a weapon, automatic or manually activated.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: nails on March 13, 2015, 10:49:56 AM

Kind of moot anyway, you can't own anything with a weapon, automatic or manually activated.

     And we know that "bad people" always obey the law. . . .

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 13, 2015, 10:53:49 AM
Kind of moot anyway, you can't own anything with a weapon, automatic or manually activated.

     And we know that "bad people" always obey the law. . . .



That's one of the reasons I wondered if he was really from Russia...   

I'm guessing their laws are little more 'open' in that department!
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on March 13, 2015, 11:00:59 AM
     And we know that "bad people" always obey the law. . . .
And oftentimes it's not easy to determine who those bad people are until it's too late.

There are bad people employed in the field of law enforcement...just as there are bad people hiding behind religion.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: nails on March 13, 2015, 11:04:37 AM
In a few years you may want to think twice about that...
it may be one of these that can shoot back!!!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtu.be]www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtu.be[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&feature=youtu.be#[/url])



BRD . . . I can almost guarantee this is a fake video.

  1.  I'm pretty sure that drone could not lift that much weight.
        It must be a lightweight dummy gun.
  2.  If you watch the muzzle flash, it is just a white spot.
  3.  There isn't enough recoil for something that unstable.

I'm pretty sure after he lines up the shot, someone in the background does the actual shooting.

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 13, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
BRD . . . I can almost guarantee this is a fake video.

  1.  I'm pretty sure that drone could not lift that much weight.
  2.  If you watch the muzzle flash, it is just a white spot.
  3.  There isn't enough recoil for something that unstable.

I'm pretty sure after he lines up the shot, someone in the background does the actual shooting.

I figured they could make a resin 'gun' that it might be able to lift but was pretty sure they would lose total control of the drone once it fired the first round...

they might better work on some kind of a drone based laser weapon ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 13, 2015, 01:17:12 PM
More on the State Police drone:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/drone360/2015/03/11/michigan-approves-police-drone/#.VQLEmI7F_h5 (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/drone360/2015/03/11/michigan-approves-police-drone/#.VQLEmI7F_h5)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 13, 2015, 08:13:03 PM
I figured they could make a resin 'gun' that it might be able to lift but was pretty sure they would lose total control of the drone once it fired the first round...

they might better work on some kind of a drone based laser weapon ;) ;) ;)

Actually, with a properly designed muzzle brake and the right caliber, recoil can be almost entirely mitigated.

I think this summer you need to stop by and light off my big 338.  It's kicks (recoils) about like a 223.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 13, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
You can build them real light too, with exotic metals like titanium and magnesium but what a shame to blow it up....
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 15, 2015, 01:33:16 PM
I'm afraid this right here is going to become one of the biggest long term 'issues' with these drones:

This is the 'family safe' version...

as a matter of 'research' I did check out the un-censored one and it isn't worth the effort to track it down...

This guy definitely should have had a higher resolution camera ;) ;) ;)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yly2PK2pg9U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yly2PK2pg9U#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 15, 2015, 02:46:53 PM
I'm afraid this right here is going to become one of the biggest long term 'issues' with these drones:

This is the 'family safe' version...

as a matter of 'research' I did check out the un-censored one and it isn't worth the effort to track it down...

This guy definitely should have had a higher resolution camera ;) ;) ;)

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yly2PK2pg9U]www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yly2PK2pg9U[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yly2PK2pg9U#[/url])


Unlimtied possibilities.............
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 17, 2015, 11:14:23 AM
The biggest shortcoming of hobby grade drones has been the short battery life...

problem solved with hydrogen cells ??? ??? ???

http://www.suasnews.com/2015/05/35781/horizon-unveils-the-worlds-first-hydrogen-powered-4h-endurance-multi-rotor-uav/ (http://www.suasnews.com/2015/05/35781/horizon-unveils-the-worlds-first-hydrogen-powered-4h-endurance-multi-rotor-uav/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: blue2 on May 17, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
I heard a report that a NASCAR driver as questioned by a federal authority for operating a stone in the drivers motor coach lot.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on May 17, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
The biggest shortcoming of hobby grade drones has been the short battery life...

problem solved with hydrogen cells ??? ??? ???

[url]http://www.suasnews.com/2015/05/35781/horizon-unveils-the-worlds-first-hydrogen-powered-4h-endurance-multi-rotor-uav/[/url] ([url]http://www.suasnews.com/2015/05/35781/horizon-unveils-the-worlds-first-hydrogen-powered-4h-endurance-multi-rotor-uav/[/url])
I've seen lots of cheap "consumer" models on sale (less than $100) and they all say the range is 6 or 7 minutes. And the last one I saw said 100 minutes to charge.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on May 17, 2015, 02:11:23 PM
U.S. military hopes to enlist tiny, durable Cicada minidrone

U.S. military scientists have invented a miniature drone that fits in the palm of a hand, ready to be dropped from the sky like a mobile phone with wings.

The “micro air vehicle” is named after the insect that inspired its invention, the cicada, which spends years underground before appearing in great swarms, reproducing and then dropping to the ground dead.

“The idea was why can’t we make UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) that have the same sort of profile,” said Aaron Kahn of the Naval Research Laboratory. “We will put so many out there, it will be impossible for the enemy to pick them all up.”

The Cicada — short for Covert Autonomous Disposable Aircraft — was designed to be smaller, cheaper and simpler than any other robotic aircraft — but still able to carry out a mission in a remote battlefield.

The prototype cost just $1,000, and the cost could come down to as little as $250 apiece, said Kahn, a flight controls engineer at the naval lab.

With no motor and only about 10 parts, the Cicada resembles a paper airplane with a circuit board.

It is designed to glide to programmed GPS coordinates after being dropped from an aircraft, a balloon or a larger drone, researchers said.

In a test about three years ago in Yuma, Arizona, Cicada drones were released from 57,600 feet (17,500 meters). The little drone flew — or fell — 11 miles (18 km), landing within 15 feet of its target.

The Cicada drone can fly at about 46 miles per hour (74 kilometers per hour) and are virtually silent, with no engine or propulsion system.

More here:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/05/17/world/u-s-military-hopes-to-enlist-tiny-durable-cicada-minidrone/#.VVjZlflVhBd (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/05/17/world/u-s-military-hopes-to-enlist-tiny-durable-cicada-minidrone/#.VVjZlflVhBd)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on May 17, 2015, 03:34:46 PM
I still think, and hate to put it out electronically, this could be one of the most lethal weapons used to carry out political assassinations of anything I have ever seen.   
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 17, 2015, 03:55:23 PM
I still think, and hate to put it out electronically, this could be one of the most lethal weapons used to carry out political assassinations of anything I have ever seen.

Not just political, personal vendetta's.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on May 18, 2015, 08:10:43 AM
Yes, that too.......but my point is that in general these things can be deathly weapons.  I'm not even sure if an EMP disables them.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 18, 2015, 09:43:09 AM
I'm not even sure if an EMP disables them.

Certainly would, control is electronic.  EMP. no go.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on May 18, 2015, 10:45:25 PM
Not just political, personal vendetta's.
Only a coward would use a drone for that reason. A real man would do it face to face.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 20, 2015, 11:11:11 AM
Self flying drone:

http://www.wired.com/2015/05/lily-robotics-drone/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/05/lily-robotics-drone/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 20, 2015, 01:56:40 PM
Only a coward would use a drone computer for that reason. A real man would do it face to face.

Fixed it for you...lol.  You appear to be skating on thin ice again.  I was holding out hope that you were actually attempting to act civil.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Professor H on May 20, 2015, 05:18:45 PM
Only a coward would use a drone for that reason. A real man would do it face to face.
Osama was saying that about Obama...   

his notes reveal the fear and damages that Drones were doing to his plans
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on May 22, 2015, 09:02:39 AM
Fixed it for you...lol.  You appear to be skating on thin ice again.  I was holding out hope that you were actually attempting to act civil.
Not sure how my comment against your idea about personal vendettas was interpreted as being uncivil.

But when viewed in the context that you vowed to be civil with everybody except me...well I guess you're just looking for a reason to return to your old nasty obnoxious self.

Osama was saying that about Obama...   

his notes reveal the fear and damages that Drones were doing to his plans
The threat of carrying out personal vendettas via a drone isn't the same as the military action taken by our armed forces.

Funny how guys like you...the ones that never enlisted...are so eager to send others into harms way.

Boots on the ground would needlessly cost American lives.

Of course I shouldn't need to tell you that Osama Bin Laden wasn't killed by a drone...but in my opinion...he shouldn't have been killed at all.

I often wonder about what information may have been lost.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 22, 2015, 10:07:58 AM
Not sure how my comment against your idea about personal vendettas was interpreted as being uncivil.

But when viewed in the context that you vowed to be civil with everybody except me...well I guess you're just looking for a reason to return to your old nasty obnoxious self.

The threat of carrying out personal vendettas via a drone isn't the same as the military action taken by our armed forces.

Funny how guys like you...the ones that never enlisted...are so eager to send others into harms way.

Boots on the ground would needlessly cost American lives.

Of course I shouldn't need to tell you that Osama Bin Laden wasn't killed by a drone...but in my opinion...he shouldn't have been killed at all.

I often wonder about what information may have been lost.

I'm trying to be across the board nice...  most of the time.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 24, 2015, 08:03:55 AM
New drone technology arriving soon from Europe:

http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/dirt-cheap-drones-is-europes-largest-kickstarter-in-over-its-head/ (http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/dirt-cheap-drones-is-europes-largest-kickstarter-in-over-its-head/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on May 24, 2015, 08:24:45 AM
Did you watch the tennis obstacle video?  Unreal!

They look like they would be a hoot to play with,,,,,,,but I still say there are deadly deliveries that could be made with this technology.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on May 30, 2015, 10:55:27 PM
Passenger jet nearly collides with drone in midair; lasers target planes

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/30/passenger-jet-nearly-collides-with-drone-in-mid-air-lasers-target-planes/28207569/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/30/passenger-jet-nearly-collides-with-drone-in-mid-air-lasers-target-planes/28207569/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 30, 2015, 11:07:06 PM
Passenger jet nearly collides with drone in midair; lasers target planes

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/30/passenger-jet-nearly-collides-with-drone-in-mid-air-lasers-target-planes/28207569/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/30/passenger-jet-nearly-collides-with-drone-in-mid-air-lasers-target-planes/28207569/[/url])


There needs to be some enforcement/regulation but in typical Chuck Schumer fashion (blowing off his mouth) not much will happen except hot air (not for a ballon either).  Schumer is a dork.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on May 31, 2015, 08:42:04 AM
There needs to be some enforcement/regulation but in typical Chuck Schumer fashion (blowing off his mouth) not much will happen except hot air (not for a ballon either).  Schumer is a dork.

Lasers (and lots of regulations that are enforced) have been around for decades... 

just like robbing banks...   always someone that thinks THEY won't get caught!!!

The drones are much newer but there are still plenty of regulations...  and many, many more being developed right now.  Most have a ceiling height of 400' and can't be flown in a given (I don't recall the miles right now) radius around any airport. 

Again, always someone that thinks the 'rules' don't apply to them. 

Kind of like here on MT ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on June 07, 2015, 11:51:33 AM
They do seem to be getting easier and easier for the 'novice' to fly them!!!

http://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2015/06/06/this-drone-you-been-waiting-for/c660ClolHDA4zqdBc8Gd9H/story.html (http://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2015/06/06/this-drone-you-been-waiting-for/c660ClolHDA4zqdBc8Gd9H/story.html)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 07, 2015, 04:01:34 PM
New drone technology arriving soon from Europe:

[url]http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/dirt-cheap-drones-is-europes-largest-kickstarter-in-over-its-head/[/url] ([url]http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/dirt-cheap-drones-is-europes-largest-kickstarter-in-over-its-head/[/url])


After the article I jumped over to You-Tube and watched the video of a drone going up-up and up, above the clouds.  I actually got a touch of vertigo watching it.  I want one....
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on June 22, 2015, 08:15:07 PM
Consumer's Energy has a new drone...

probably will lift a little more than I need to lift...

and probably costs a little more than I'd like to pay ;D ;D ;D

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jun/22/consumers-energy-debuts-drone-to-monitor-utility/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/jun/22/consumers-energy-debuts-drone-to-monitor-utility/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on June 22, 2015, 08:55:42 PM
14 pounds, humm........that could be a lot of chemicals.  I swear, the potential bad uses of these things just scare the crap out of me.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on June 23, 2015, 10:38:50 AM
14 pounds, humm........that could be a lot of chemicals.  I swear, the potential bad uses of these things just scare the crap out of me.

I'm sure you're not the first (or the last) to think along that line ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on July 02, 2015, 04:09:01 PM
They look like fun, and the technology very neat......but my goodness it is so obvious the weapon these could become.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on July 14, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
Some interesting somewhat 'local' video footage shot from drones...

both are large buildings being demolished...

one an implosion in the big Dee and the other a more conventional demolition in Toledo...

The Toledo one was by local contractor Homrich. 

The one in Deetroit was just this past weekend and the one in Toledo was last fall.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZU7TDwEE78&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZU7TDwEE78&feature=youtu.be#)


www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3o3YYfqys&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3o3YYfqys&feature=youtu.be#)

Above from:

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/07/drone_footage_of_detroit_park.html#incart_river (http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/07/drone_footage_of_detroit_park.html#incart_river)


Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 14, 2015, 05:54:31 PM
They look like fun, and the technology very neat......but my goodness it is so obvious the weapon these could become.

Just think of all the clandestine spying you could do....  No gal would be safe from your roving drone eyes......
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on July 15, 2015, 07:16:05 AM
Just think of all the clandestine spying you could do....  No gal would be safe from your roving drone eyes......


You can already find quite a few like this online:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eRuk5X3ivc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eRuk5X3ivc#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Professor H on July 15, 2015, 10:10:36 PM
After the article I jumped over to You-Tube and watched the video of a drone going up-up and up, above the clouds.  I actually got a touch of vertigo watching it. I want one....
and...   Farmers will be soon on the list of people allowed to use them in this age of regulation!

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 15, 2015, 11:41:48 PM
I could see a legitimate use in surveying a field without having to tromp in there and destroying crops.... and I could 'inspect' my neighbors fields for cannibis plants too.....lol
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on July 21, 2015, 11:11:33 AM
Ya just had to know it was a matter of time.

http://news.yahoo.com/gun-firing-drone-built-us-teen-under-investigation-143302384.html (http://news.yahoo.com/gun-firing-drone-built-us-teen-under-investigation-143302384.html)

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on August 27, 2015, 08:38:57 AM
For every force there is an opposing force...

maybe the 'anti drone' business is the way to go :-\ :-\ :-\

http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/drones/a15328/droneshield-anti-drone-business/?mag=pop&click=c1_article_articles_yr_1 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/drones/a15328/droneshield-anti-drone-business/?mag=pop&click=c1_article_articles_yr_1)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 05, 2015, 11:05:02 AM
Ya just new it was a matter of time!

http://espn.go.com/tennis/usopen15/story/_/id/13580585/teacher-arrested-drone-enters-louis-armstrong-stadium-crashes-empty-seats (http://espn.go.com/tennis/usopen15/story/_/id/13580585/teacher-arrested-drone-enters-louis-armstrong-stadium-crashes-empty-seats)

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 05, 2015, 11:20:39 AM
Endless possibilities for a dirty old man...  like you (and me)... ;D
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 05, 2015, 11:23:40 AM
LOL, no doubt!

I am concerned about other not so well intentioned uses for them.  They just appear to me to be unstoppable.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 05, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
Obviously, they aren't 'stealthy'.  Must sound like a blender above your head......  I imagine a well placed 22 round would eliminate one right away in as much as they have plastic bodies....

No one would ever hear a subsonic 22 round over the 'blender' noise.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 05, 2015, 02:32:52 PM
They seem to be stealthy in getting into an isolated area!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/01/26/when-a-drone-crashed-in-front-of-germanys-angela-merkel/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/01/26/when-a-drone-crashed-in-front-of-germanys-angela-merkel/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 05, 2015, 11:05:43 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/students-drone-crashes-kentuckys-commonwealth-stadium-024757577--spt.html (http://news.yahoo.com/students-drone-crashes-kentuckys-commonwealth-stadium-024757577--spt.html)

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 06, 2015, 09:33:36 AM
Obviously, they aren't 'stealthy'. Must sound like a blender above your head......  I imagine a well placed 22 round would eliminate one right away in as much as they have plastic bodies....

No one would ever hear a subsonic 22 round over the 'blender' noise.

At 20 feet above your head they are loud and actually a blender is a pretty good description.  But at 200 feet you don't even hear it.  Unless you happen to notice the shadow on the ground or you're laying in your hammock watching the sky I would say your chances of even knowing one is above you is somewhat slim to none.

My son has a new one with built in GPS.  It will hover in one position as long as it has battery life.  Or he can hook it to his laptop and add a series of 'way points'.  If will fly to each set of coordinates and hover for as long as indicated and then move to the next one...   all without operator intervention.  Total cost was under $400 without a camera.

There are guys that are buying that same model and modifying them to fly out to three miles from the operator location.  With the current battery life it wouldn't have time to hover though before it had to return to the operator.

I'm seeing several articles of how they're being used to smuggle contraband across borders or into prisons or jails with outside recreation yards.

As with any new technology with positive uses there will be just as many users who want to do something bad or illegal.


Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 06, 2015, 09:47:08 AM
Quote
As with any new technology with positive uses there will be just as many users who want to do something bad or illegal.

No question!  This one concerns me though, hopefully I am wrong.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 06, 2015, 10:08:00 AM
No question!  This one concerns me though, hopefully I am wrong.

I'm sure the relatively low cost is going to make it easy for the 'bad guys' to find a use for them.

And they can hide between all the genuine hobbyists that are working with them. 

My son started with a remote control 'conventional' helicopter and actually got pretty good with that even before the quad copters came out.  His first one would sit in the palm of your hand and he learned to fly it in his basement.  It's actually tough to fly it outside if there is even a slight breeze.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 06, 2015, 11:54:02 AM
No question!  This one concerns me though, hopefully I am wrong.

I think it's like a lot of other issues today...

99% of the owners are safe law abiding citizens...

but the 1% of the bad guys get all the news and attention.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 06, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Ain't now doubt, but in the words of GW......that could be one of the most lethal weapons of mass destruction know to man.

I just look at the current military applications and just shudder. 
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 06, 2015, 01:13:53 PM
It's on my short list with a Go-Pro camera.  Fuzz and I can learn to fly it and be clandestine.  I'm looking at a 1200 buck one btw.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 06, 2015, 01:55:54 PM
LOL.....let's figure out the to and return distance before the battery runs out.  I will plot out the trail of Kim Kardashian when she is in distance and make a go of it.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 06, 2015, 04:17:26 PM
Just hover by her bathroom window.....  Being a 'peeping Tom' takes on a whole new mwaning....
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 10, 2015, 10:21:02 AM
Governor vetoes proposed drone restrictions in California:

http://www.freep.com/story/tech/2015/09/10/california-drones-veto-governor-jerry-brown-news-photographers/71987132/ (http://www.freep.com/story/tech/2015/09/10/california-drones-veto-governor-jerry-brown-news-photographers/71987132/)



Before you shoot down a drone over your own property you might want to read this:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/opinions/schneier-shoot-down-drones/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/opinions/schneier-shoot-down-drones/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 10, 2015, 11:31:28 AM
If you want to fly your drone over my place and drop some money please feel free to go right ahead ;D ;D ;D

http://fox17online.com/2015/05/26/mystery-drone-drops-money-over-rosa-parks-circle/ (http://fox17online.com/2015/05/26/mystery-drone-drops-money-over-rosa-parks-circle/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 10, 2015, 05:00:35 PM
Any drone that flies over my property that is camera equipped is going to see a hairyass.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 11, 2015, 07:55:51 AM
Some more links on people that have shot down a drone...  the response is typically that they have been arrested.

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/04/man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-over-his-property/ (https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/04/man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-over-his-property/)

The following article does have a link to an article that supports the right to shoot them down.
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/08/shooting_down_d.html (https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/08/shooting_down_d.html)

http://www.cnet.com/news/man-shoots-down-drone-hovering-over-house/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/man-shoots-down-drone-hovering-over-house/)

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-my-backyard-man-arrested-after-shooting-drone-down-n402271 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-my-backyard-man-arrested-after-shooting-drone-down-n402271)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 11, 2015, 10:48:40 PM
Any drone that flies over my property that is camera equipped is going to see a hairyass.

I didn't know you were on the 'We are hairy' porn site...... ;D
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 11, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
Some more links on people that have shot down a drone...  the response is typically that they have been arrested.

([url]https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/04/man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-over-his-property/[/url])[url]https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/04/man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-over-his-property/[/url] ([url]https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/04/man-arrested-for-shooting-down-drone-over-his-property/[/url])[/url]

The following article does have a link to an article that supports the right to shoot them down.
[url]https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/08/shooting_down_d.html[/url] ([url]https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/08/shooting_down_d.html[/url])

[url]http://www.cnet.com/news/man-shoots-down-drone-hovering-over-house/[/url] ([url]http://www.cnet.com/news/man-shoots-down-drone-hovering-over-house/[/url])

[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-my-backyard-man-arrested-after-shooting-drone-down-n402271[/url] ([url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-my-backyard-man-arrested-after-shooting-drone-down-n402271[/url])


Thats what I'm looking at, a DJI Phantom 3.  It's not 1800 bucks either.  More like 1200.

For Fuzz and I to clandestinely 'look' at heavenly bodies...lol
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 11, 2015, 10:57:52 PM
I fugure one good use is to track deer and bear movements on my property up north...  Trespassers too.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 12, 2015, 07:50:46 AM
Animal tracking.....another app I never thought of.

Trespassers.......I've said for a long time that drones would be a perfect way to monitor the borders for illegal immigration.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 12, 2015, 08:50:26 AM
Here's info on use of drones for and against hunting in Michigan.

Article from MLive:

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/04/michigan_bans_drone_hunting_hu.html (http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/04/michigan_bans_drone_hunting_hu.html)

News release direct from the State:

http://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-53480_56421-352482--,00.html (http://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-53480_56421-352482--,00.html)

The actual statutes:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(ayfduxxkldm5lm0cwcyvunfy))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2015-SB-0054 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(ayfduxxkldm5lm0cwcyvunfy))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2015-SB-0054)

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(rssh0tfcevnmkeqjkhf2wlsc))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2015-SB-0055 (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(rssh0tfcevnmkeqjkhf2wlsc))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2015-SB-0055)


Drone laws in other states:

http://dronelife.com/2014/07/19/state-drone-laws/ (http://dronelife.com/2014/07/19/state-drone-laws/)

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/06/25/are-drones-illegal-in-your-state-this-map-can-tell-you/ (http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/06/25/are-drones-illegal-in-your-state-this-map-can-tell-you/)

Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 12, 2015, 08:40:07 PM
That don't include or prohibit using an unmanned drone to scout for animals of prey ie: whitetail deer or bear.

It only addresses usinng a drone to disrupt or harass a hunter.  I am a hunter.

I also think a drone would be great for locating cannibis plants in cornfields.....
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on September 13, 2015, 10:51:55 AM
Air Force Bugbot Nano Drone Technology

Air Force Bugbots Nano Drone video gives a peak inside what nano-drone technology the Federal Government is currently implementing within the united states more than a scary thought or sci-fi movie, they have arrived.

The deadly, insect-sized drones of the future - Unobtrusive, Invasive, and Lethal are here as depicted in this old video

The Air Force is reportedly developing winged drones that can sneak up on a suspected enemy as stealthily as a mosquito

www.youtube.com/watch?v=z78mgfKprdg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z78mgfKprdg#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on September 13, 2015, 10:52:32 AM
Amazing in Motion - SWARM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0v1BgzUdc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0v1BgzUdc#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on September 13, 2015, 10:53:52 AM
Airborne robot swarms are making complex moves (w/ video)

The GRASP Lab at the University of Pennsylvania this week released a video that shows their new look in GRASP Lab robotic flying devices. They are now showing flying devices with more complex behavior than before, in a fleet of flying devices that move in packs, navigate spaces with obstacles, flip over and retain position, and carry out formation flying,
The researchers have cut down these robotic creature-like drones to small size to what they call “nano-quadrotors.” The video shows them in action: not just engaged in formation flying, but also creating an impressive looking figure-eight pattern.

http://phys.org/news/2012-02-airborne-robot-swarms-complex-video.html (http://phys.org/news/2012-02-airborne-robot-swarms-complex-video.html)

www.youtube.com/watch?t=88&v=YQIMGV5vtd4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=88&v=YQIMGV5vtd4#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 13, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Air Force Bugbot Nano Drone Technology

Air Force Bugbots Nano Drone video gives a peak inside what nano-drone technology the Federal Government is currently implementing within the united states more than a scary thought or sci-fi movie, they have arrived.

The deadly, insect-sized drones of the future - Unobtrusive, Invasive, and Lethal are here as depicted in this old video

The Air Force is reportedly developing winged drones that can sneak up on a suspected enemy as stealthily as a mosquito

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z78mgfKprdg]www.youtube.com/watch?v=z78mgfKprdg[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z78mgfKprdg#[/url])


They talk about the different ways some of these may be equipped...

the one that caught my attention was "incapacitating chemicals"...

Like The Fuzz has said more than once...   very scary!!!
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 21, 2015, 05:42:51 AM
Article in The Blade yesterday on some 'local' (mostly Toledo and Ohio) drone usage.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2015/09/20/Things-look-up-for-area-nbsp-businesses.html (http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2015/09/20/Things-look-up-for-area-nbsp-businesses.html)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 26, 2015, 10:13:14 AM
The technology is progressing at a rapid pace!

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/drone-changes-own-battery-gives-164422603.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/drone-changes-own-battery-gives-164422603.html)

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/a9RDw9Oe10MkX6bGqxihrA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0x/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/cnet.cbs.com/3e7d704b00f527dd68c1fc621f792b2b)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 27, 2015, 08:55:04 AM
WOW, pretty neat.  This could be a Private Investigator's most useful tool.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 27, 2015, 09:02:32 AM
WOW, pretty neat.  This could be a Private Investigator's most useful tool.

The future uses are almost unlimited...

both good and bad!!!
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 27, 2015, 09:04:09 AM
Absolutely no question about that, BRD!

The payload capability technology will be the thing to really watch.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on September 28, 2015, 09:26:20 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDIuZUfETc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDIuZUfETc#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on September 29, 2015, 01:32:36 PM
Amazing......the possibilities are endless.  Good and bad!
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 29, 2015, 08:35:44 PM
When I get back from Montana next month, you and I are going shopping for a drone of our own..... ;D
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on September 30, 2015, 06:51:03 AM
Lots of potential for for use in the emergency medical response field too:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-rEI4bezWc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-rEI4bezWc#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on October 19, 2015, 11:14:46 AM
Audit: ATF bureau spent $600,000 on drones it never flew

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/atf-drones-report-doj-watchdog-116387#ixzz3p1kG5hHg (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/atf-drones-report-doj-watchdog-116387#ixzz3p1kG5hHg)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on October 19, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
New rules for a drone registry could be announced today by DOT
http://www.wwmt.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/New-rules-for-a-drone-registry-could-be-announced-today-by-DOT-220692.shtml#.ViUJKvmrSUk (http://www.wwmt.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/New-rules-for-a-drone-registry-could-be-announced-today-by-DOT-220692.shtml#.ViUJKvmrSUk)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on October 19, 2015, 01:18:25 PM
Ya almost had to see it coming......the potential evil uses for these things are scary.  Figured registration and regulation of sorts were just around the corner.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on October 28, 2015, 12:26:28 PM
Ya almost had to see it coming......the potential evil uses for these things are scary.  Figured registration and regulation of sorts were just around the corner.


Here's a very creative use you might appreciate Fuzz 8) 8) 8)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmpEzg7_qvo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmpEzg7_qvo#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on October 28, 2015, 12:29:07 PM
LOL......brother, wish I would have had that little toy back in my youth!
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 28, 2015, 02:43:36 PM
.......read in one of the paper's last night that Walmart has applied to the FAA for licensing to use drones ro deliver packages and monitor it's warehousing and fleet operations....

Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 28, 2015, 02:44:29 PM
Buess where Wal-Mart is getting the drones at.............................China.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on October 28, 2015, 03:38:05 PM
Buess where Wal-Mart is getting the drones at.............................China.

Probably the only ones made here would be too expensive for most of us to buy...

The Michigan State Police bought one for $175K...

probably not made in China but I'll bet many of the components were still made there.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 28, 2015, 04:55:01 PM
Probably the only ones made here would be too expensive for most of us to buy...

The Michigan State Police bought one for $175K...

probably not made in China but I'll bet many of the components were still made there.

Wonder if it hovered outside the window at the Radisson?
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on October 29, 2015, 08:56:36 AM
Wonder if it hovered outside the window at the Radisson?

Probably more than a few times ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on November 03, 2015, 10:52:18 AM
What Are Drones Dropping Into Prisons?

A drone crashed inside a prison in Oklahoma. The drone was carrying contraband, such as: hacksaw, blades, drugs, and superglue. Authorities confiscated the unmanned vehicle and its cargo.


“Officials in Oklahoma claim to have halted the first attempt in the state to smuggle contraband into a prison with an unmanned aerial vehicle.

A drone hauling mobile phones, drugs, hacksaw blades and other items--all of which were hanging in a bundle from a fishing line--crashed at the Oklahoma State Penitentiary before prisoners could grab anything, officials announced on Tuesday.

The drone is said to have run into razor wire on prison walls, mid-flight on Monday. Its operator lost control of the UAV, and the drone crashed into prison grounds.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9TQuf-gPjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9TQuf-gPjg)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on November 03, 2015, 11:17:25 AM
Never thought of that possibility......WOW.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: nails on November 03, 2015, 11:32:09 AM

Otherwise known as . . . Guard Tower Skeet shooting.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on November 03, 2015, 11:35:08 AM
I stopped by a park the other day where I saw a guy practice flying his new drone.  My first time right up close.

If they figure out a way to "hush" those things then the possibilities are endless.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on November 03, 2015, 11:44:00 AM
Otherwise known as . . . Guard Tower Skeet shooting.
I wonder if what happens to the errant bullets would be a consideration.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: nails on November 03, 2015, 11:53:20 AM

Not to me.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on November 03, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Not to me.
Going for the gun isn't always the answer.

A safer course of action would be to let it land and confiscate it.

That way evidence wouldn't be destroyed, nobody would have to suffer from collateral damage, and the cost of replacing those bullets would be saved.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 03, 2015, 02:19:45 PM
Going for the gun isn't always the answer.

A safer course of action would be to let it land and confiscate it.

That way evidence wouldn't be destroyed, nobody would have to suffer from collateral damage, and the cost of replacing those bullets would be saved.

That applies to you, you cannot own one.

If you hear a buzzing sound above your shack, it's probably a drone checking on you.....
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on November 14, 2015, 02:52:19 PM
US approves armed drones sale to Italy; it begins

The US State Department just approved Italy's long-standing request to arm its Reaper drones with Hellfire missiles, laser-guided bombs, and other munitions. So far, the US and Britain have been the only countries with armed drones. The approval comes after a new US policy set for the export of armed drones.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgTeN8rtJjk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgTeN8rtJjk#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on November 24, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
Article mentions Consumers Energy and their involvement in development of using drones to inspect power lines and wind turbines!

Quote
“With wind turbines, you’ll have a couple of guys hanging off the blades by a rope a couple hundred feet in the air to do inspections visually, at a cost upwards of $10,000 per site,” Bordine said. “We can get the same results with a UAV for $300, without putting workers in danger.”



http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/nov/23/utilities-see-potential-drones-inspect-lines-and-t/?in-other-news (http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/nov/23/utilities-see-potential-drones-inspect-lines-and-t/?in-other-news)

This is the UAV they mention in the article above.  That is a full sized camera it is carrying!  It also comes with a full sized price tag!!!

http://www.service-drone.com/en/shop/uav/multirotor-g4-eagle/multirotor-g4-eagle-v2 (http://www.service-drone.com/en/shop/uav/multirotor-g4-eagle/multirotor-g4-eagle-v2)

(http://www.service-drone.com/files/image/thumb-450x330/service-drone-photo-53ac390407af5-multirotor-g4-4-8-eagle.jpg)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 24, 2015, 02:05:39 PM
FYI, TSC has an entry level drone for sale in their stores for those who want to 'get their feet wet' at a very reasonable price.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 15, 2015, 09:30:01 AM
Get ready to register your drone if you have one...

or buy a new one!

Registration starts December 21st!!!

http://www.freep.com/story/news/2015/12/14/drone-registry-faa/77275676/ (http://www.freep.com/story/news/2015/12/14/drone-registry-faa/77275676/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: blue2 on December 15, 2015, 11:39:07 AM
Wonder what this drone business is going to look like in 5 10 years.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on December 15, 2015, 07:35:09 PM
an oversaturated market place is my guess.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 15, 2015, 11:18:13 PM
I keep waiting for  Amazon to drop a package on the porch via drone..... ;D
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 15, 2015, 11:19:24 PM
register or not, I am going to get one for scouting my hunting ground for game....
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 17, 2015, 06:45:28 AM
I keep waiting for  Amazon to drop a package on the porch via drone..... ;D

Well either you're going to have to move closer to one of their distribution centers or they're going to have to build one out your way and I don't see either one happening any time soon.  Even the units that are fairly light and don't carry much of a load (other than the battery to power it) are still limited by a short battery life.  A light unit with a high end battery is limited to maybe 20 minutes of flight time.  Add a camera and that will drop.  As time goes on they will continue to develop better motors and batteries but until the big 'breakthrough' they'll be limited just like any other electric only vehicle. 
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on December 18, 2015, 08:34:27 AM
Canada is beating us (the US) in the drone business...

seems like I even commented about the $175K unit the MSP bought being from Canada!!!

http://www.popsci.com/why-canada-winning-drone-race (http://www.popsci.com/why-canada-winning-drone-race)



I want one of these!!!

(http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/DSC02544.JPG?itok=fKk8hNdk)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on December 18, 2015, 12:40:30 PM
Wow, I could use that one to herd the Kardashian sisters.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on January 08, 2016, 02:45:12 AM
US Air Force offering $125,000 bonus to drone pilots

The US Air Force is now offering drone pilots a whopping $125,000 bonus if they sign on for another 5 years of service, an indication of just how difficult it is for the military to retain drone pilots.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Wu6unmW1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Wu6unmW1g#)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on January 08, 2016, 09:07:33 AM
They're getting bigger and bigger...

by definition they are considered an UAV (unmanned [or womaned] aerial vehicle) but this one has a space for a person...   

so is it still a 'drone' ??? ??? ???

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/06/article-urn:publicid:ap.org:e74b5dcc0a23425f92bc17971c65e458-3Qu3MyCD4hb39b9ba3d2be7bb794-260_634x422.jpg)

More at:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3387777/Chinese-drone-maker-unveils-human-carrying-drone.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3387777/Chinese-drone-maker-unveils-human-carrying-drone.html)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: Frenchfry on February 12, 2016, 06:53:33 PM
Killer drone squad: Russia unveils anti-armor assault multicopter

https://www.rt.com/news/332045-tank-destroyer-drone-complex/ (https://www.rt.com/news/332045-tank-destroyer-drone-complex/)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: The Fuzz on February 13, 2016, 09:35:45 AM
Amazing.....the possibilities are endless.  Payload looks to be about the only limitation.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 13, 2016, 11:58:20 AM
Amazing.....the possibilities are endless.  Payload looks to be about the only limitation.

Too bad the FAA mandated licensning thats almost on par with a pilot's license for drones.  That kind of puts the kabosh on business / ag use.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2016, 07:22:42 AM
Too bad the FAA mandated licensning thats almost on par with a pilot's license for drones.  That kind of puts the kabosh on business / ag use.


We took Valentines goodies down to our son's house yesterday.  He took me downstairs to his 'Drone Den' to show me some of his latest projects.  He had started off buying a tiny one that he could fly inside and got real good at that.  Then he started buying bigger and bigger and bigger.

Now he's buying parts and assembling his own.  A good part of that is some pretty detailed programming.

Now he's ordered the stuff to make his own goggles that he can see what the drone is seeing from where it is. 

At this point his Go-Pro camera is about obsolete (LOL)...

now he's looking at one of these!

Hands On Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zJmvZ20nRA#)


Glad he's been working lots of overtime ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 14, 2016, 06:08:45 PM
I hope he's obtained the proper licensing from the FAA.  The fines are very 'overtime' eating.  So's the jail time.  Making license plates for the state or storage racks for the Fed don't leave a lot of money for toys.

The way it stands right now, you basically need a non-commercial pilot's license to operate a drone.  Not the toy ones, but the expensive heavier ones.  I know there is a weight threshold but what it is exactly, I have no idea.  It also takes into 'time aloft' and celinig requirements.
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2016, 06:57:22 PM
I hope he's obtained the proper licensing from the FAA.  The fines are very 'overtime' eating.  So's the jail time.  Making license plates for the state or storage racks for the Fed don't leave a lot of money for toys.

The way it stands right now, you basically need a non-commercial pilot's license to operate a drone.  Not the toy ones, but the expensive heavier ones. I know there is a weight threshold but what it is exactly, I have no idea.  It also takes into 'time aloft' and celinig requirements.

He is staying completely legal. 

I had taken him my postage scale to weigh them but he decided it wasn't accurate enough plus it weighs in ounces...

he wanted to be able to weigh in grams.   So he had a nice new digital gram scale that he weighs each component on before he ads it to the frame.  He even weighs the wire he cuts off after the installation.

The heavy licensing requirements don't kick in until you're actually using it 'commercially'...

two 'pilots' can fly identical UAVs side by side and record the exact same data.  If one is using it for 'fun' (recreation) then only the UAV has to be registered.  But, if the pilot wants to 'sell' (or even give away as long as it ends up in a commercial use at any point in the future) then the pilot has to be 'licensed' to the standards you are referencing. 

The government is involved so it's not getting any clearer anytime soon :o :o :o
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 14, 2016, 07:03:20 PM
I'm not well versed on it actually.  One of the guys I hunt with happens to be one of our company pilots (jet certified) and he has a commercially rated drone he uses for mapping purposes.  At least I can 'borrow' him if I need something droned.....

It is an expensive hobby, worse than the firearms I play with....
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on March 10, 2016, 04:59:17 AM
Not a lot of details...

hopefully more will be released later. 

The Sandusky (OH) county sheriff had just done their training on their new UAV in the morning when a prisoner escaped the jail that afternoon.  They were able to sue their new reconnaissance device to help capture the escapee after a short time.


http://nbc24.com/news/local/sandusky-county-authorities-use-drone-to-capture-escaped-inmate (http://nbc24.com/news/local/sandusky-county-authorities-use-drone-to-capture-escaped-inmate)
Title: Re: Drones... the good... the bad... the ugly!
Post by: BigRedDog on August 06, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
And the pendulum rocks in the drone - anti drone tech battle!!!

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_30207901/amateur-drone-operators-soon-could-face-high-tech (http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_30207901/amateur-drone-operators-soon-could-face-high-tech)