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Title: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 03, 2015, 06:47:48 PM
Lois Lerner just deleted hers...  and the Admin has been stonewalling that investigation

Hillary didn't use hers - the official government one that is...

Actually all that really did was open up her private e-mails "All of them"... to subpoenas and Freedom of information requests.

never mind those pesky "archive" rules...   that way she can be like Lois and things can be lost or buried.   8*

Funny she didn't know that from her term in the Senate

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on March 03, 2015, 06:51:43 PM
Lois Lerner just deleted hers...  and the Admin has been stonewalling that investigation

Hillary didn't use hers - the official government one that is...

Actually all that really did was open up her private e-mails "All of them"... to subpoenas and Freedom of information requests.

never mind those pesky "archive" rules...   that way she can be like Lois and things can be lost or buried.   8*

Funny she didn't know that from her term in the Senate
It's all been covered in other threads...some within the past few hours...but then you DO have reading comprehension difficulties.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 03, 2015, 07:00:54 PM
Lois Lerner just deleted hers...  and the Admin has been stonewalling that investigation

Hillary didn't use hers - the official government one that is...

Actually all that really did was open up her private e-mails "All of them"... to subpoenas and Freedom of information requests.

never mind those pesky "archive" rules...   that way she can be like Lois and things can be lost or buried.   8*

Funny she didn't know that from her term in the Senate

I guess Hillary thought was more important to share her emails with Chinese hackers than the American public.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 03, 2015, 07:46:36 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 03, 2015, 07:48:31 PM
It's all been covered in other threads...some within the past few hours...but then you DO have reading comprehension difficulties.

LOL  coming from the mass poster...

I guess that makes you nervous that another Democrat has flaunted the legal system at will?   and it is exposed in a few threads.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on March 03, 2015, 08:06:12 PM
LOL  coming from the mass poster...

I guess that makes you nervous that another Democrat has flaunted the legal system at will?   and it is exposed in a few threads.
LOL...I've mentioned many many times that I'm no fan of Hillary...and she has plenty of issues that she could be bashed on...which makes the lies being told by the right even more asinine.

Here's a clue...
Hillary Email ‘Scandal’? Not So Fast

A NYT report says Clinton may have violated federal regulations by using private email for government business. But those rules weren’t in place when she’s alleged to have broken them.
[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/03/hillary-email-scandal-not-so-fast.html[/url] ([url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/03/hillary-email-scandal-not-so-fast.html[/url])

Sorry...not a fan of Hillary...but the truth matters more than how I feel about her.

http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=690608;topic=28701.0 (http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=690608;topic=28701.0)

Note the time I posted that and the time you created this topic:
6:47:48 PM

That's just more proof of your reading difficulties.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 03, 2015, 09:18:13 PM
Didn't know you were the new self appointed moderator...

So you'd rather blather about anything but the potential criminal acts of a IRS department head - and a supposed candidate for your beloved party...

Hillary has no excuse - being in the Senate and then Obama's SOS...   
but then again Democrats are (at least recently) accustomed to picking and choosing what laws they want to enforce.

She new official business was to be conducted using the archived official records governmental e-mail system... but choose to bypass it for whatever reasons  8*

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 03, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
Professor H I just can’t even come close to believing what a hypocritical troll you are anymore. 


Did you rant and accuse when the whole f-ing white house under Bush used a private mail instead of recorded government mail?  Did you?  Even once?  NOPE.

FACT: NO Secretary of State EVER before John Kerry used public email… NONE!  You rant and ***** like a hypocritical little girl without engaging in reality.

It doesn’t matter that you hate Clinton because she isn’t a tea nutcase like you.  She did EXACTLY like any Secretary of State; Democratic or Republican.

 
So, professor (LOL) why didn't you give a crap about YOUR ding a lings doing it?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 03, 2015, 10:34:58 PM
Professor H I just can’t even come close to believing what a hypocritical troll you are anymore. 


Did you rant and accuse when the whole f-ing white house under Bush used a private mail instead of recorded government mail?  Did you?  Even once?  NOPE.

FACT: NO Secretary of State EVER before John Kerry used public email… NONE!  You rant and ***** like a hypocritical little girl without engaging in reality.

It doesn’t matter that you hate Clinton because she isn’t a tea nutcase like you.  She did EXACTLY like any Secretary of State; Democratic or Republican.

 
So, professor (LOL) why didn't you give a crap about YOUR ding a lings doing it?

Welcome back duck,  even though you decided to blast me on your way.
Fact Check:
I wasn't here back in 07 when the Bush e-mail incident happened...
  ;)
Even so - the Democrat watchdog group that did - is silent on Hillary now...
why is that?

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Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a liberal watchdog group that previously criticized the George W. Bush administration over missing emails, didn't have anything to say about the prospect of missing Clinton emails during her tenure as secretary of state. The Huffington Post repeatedly attempted to get comment from the group, which is run by Clinton ally David Brock, on Tuesday, but did not hear back after more than 7 hours.

The group felt much more strongly about another case of missing emails in 2007, when it lambasted the White House for failing to properly record email communications as required by the Presidential Records Act. Senior Bush advisers, including messaging guru Karl Rove, allegedly used Republican National Committee email servers for official communication that created a gap of over 5 million emails between March of 2003 and October of 2005 -- a timespan encapsulating Bush's re-election bid. Then-White House press secretary Dana Perino admitted that officials "screwed up" by not requiring the saving of emails sent using GOP campaign accounts.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/03/hillary-clinton-emails-nyt_n_6793700.html[/url] ([url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/03/hillary-clinton-emails-nyt_n_6793700.html[/url])


The Whitehouse at that time admitted they screwed up -

And those were not top level appointee's  like the Secretary of State position!

Finally:
I did work for a government - and was on a board for another government unit... 
funny thing is the "sunshine" laws have been in place at all levels for some time now.   We were told that conducting business on your private e-mail opened that e-mail up to public scrutiny.

Now you are telling me that in the Federal Government - it's okay to use private e-mails for top officials?   You can read the same articles - but come to a different conclusion it appears.     Nixon was facing impeachment for missing time on a tape that likely showed his knowledge in the coverup of the Watergate break in.    Lois Lerner is party to the destruction of years of e-mails that likely will show higher ups had knowledge... with the IRS stonewalling any investigation. 
Now Hillary is to be trusted in turning over what she thinks is important?
I'd say the Archive laws have been around long enough that most reasonable people would not even question the issue...   yet you and Fry seem to think this is nothing to be worried about.   

Heck when ABC and the other liberal media are questioning it - why can't I?

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 03, 2015, 10:39:00 PM

Fact Check:
I wasn't here back in 07 when the Bush e-mail incident happened...
  ;)


Forget it, he's rolling  : )

Animal House: Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI#)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 03, 2015, 11:30:11 PM
Just curious.....

How many of ya'all have used YOUR personal E-mail accounts to conduct professional business on?

I haven't.

Now - I will admit that I have had to resort to E-mailing coworkers with my personal E-mail account due to company E-mail rule policies.

You see - they don't like us sending dirty jokes, with funny punch lines or cartoons through the company E-mail servers for some reason.

One of my co-workers was actually FIRED from Honda for receiving such a joke - deleting it without reading it - but then forwarding it to another coworker from his trash bin when asked to do so as a favor cause he heard it was a "good one."  HR fired everyone who forwarded the joke.  It happens - so we send each other dirty jokes with our personal E-mail accounts - but we don't consider that "doing business" since clearly the company doesn't consider it "appropriate" business.

I feel funny jokes and cartoons at work serve a valuable "stress relieving" function that you just can't put a value on.  I do try to keep them appropriate though - for the venue - but I never send them from my work account, or to a work account!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 04, 2015, 01:05:36 AM
Welcome back duck,  even though you decided to blast me on your way.
Fact Check:
I wasn't here back in 07 when the Bush e-mail incident happened...
  ;)

Ahhh, so you did condemn the Bush white house for using private email... NOT!

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Even so - the Democrat watchdog group that did - is silent on Hillary now...
why is that?

I know it is very hard to accept reality that Faux refuses to tell you but the fact is that NO SECRETARY OF STATE BEFORE KERRY USED ANYTHING BUT PRIVATE EMAIL.  I know that is hard to understand but give it a try.

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The Whitehouse at that time admitted they screwed up -

And those were not top level appointee's  like the Secretary of State position!

Nah they were just Cheney and his staff among others.... but why quibble.

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Finally:
I did work for a government - and was on a board for another government unit... 
funny thing is the "sunshine" laws have been in place at all levels for some time now.   We were told that conducting business on your private e-mail opened that e-mail up to public scrutiny.

Now you are telling me that in the Federal Government - it's okay to use private e-mails for top officials?   
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Wow you just push the same lies don't ya.  First off, I didn't tell you that you made it up.  Second BUSH did it and your republicans were silent.  WHY?  ASide from that it was ALL Secretaries of state.... ALL until Kerry.  Ya know like your republican ones too.  After Clinton, Obama changed the rule that no president before him used, that they had to use public email.  Gosh, shouldn't you be praising Obama for why your republicans refused to do?


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You can read the same articles - but come to a different conclusion it appears. 
   

There is no... conclusion, that you make up that I conjured.  I am stating FACT.  If you only listen to right wing nuts that lie to you then you will never know.

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Nixon was facing impeachment for missing time on a tape that likely showed his knowledge in the coverup of the Watergate break in.    Lois Lerner is party to the destruction of years of e-mails that likely will show higher ups had knowledge... with the IRS stonewalling any investigation.

Umm Soooooooooooo? ? ? ?   Are you saying that Secretary Clinton broke the law and you know it but no one else does?  WSell, I guess you and the nuts do make up lies, so perhaps you do.

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Now Hillary is to be trusted in turning over what she thinks is important?
She did.  Your republicans NEVER did!  EVER!  But, hey, you KNOW that there are all these secret things all hidden under her pillow implicating her for who know what lie you right wing nuts made up today.

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I'd say the Archive laws have been around long enough that most reasonable people would not even question the issue...   yet you and Fry seem to think this is nothing to be worried about. 

Wait, where did I say that?  Ohhhh, I didn't did I.  You just made it up.  The archive laws were there prior to the Bush White House using private email to hide wrongdoing.  As far as Secretary of State, I simply stated the FACT that no Secretary ever used public email.. ever!  It doesn't mean I made up some phantom wrongdoing...  just that there was no secretary that ever did. You just do what you nuts always do and make up that whatever your republicans did doesn't matter, but anyone that follows is horrid.

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Heck when ABC and the other liberal media are questioning it - why can't I?

question all you want but that doesn't give you the right to make up lies, or in our case bleat what faux news tells you to.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 04, 2015, 01:06:50 AM
Just curious.....

How many of ya'all have used YOUR personal E-mail accounts to conduct professional business on?

I haven't.

Now - I will admit that I have had to resort to E-mailing coworkers with my personal E-mail account due to company E-mail rule policies.

You see - they don't like us sending dirty jokes, with funny punch lines or cartoons through the company E-mail servers for some reason.

One of my co-workers was actually FIRED from Honda for receiving such a joke - deleting it without reading it - but then forwarding it to another coworker from his trash bin when asked to do so as a favor cause he heard it was a "good one."  HR fired everyone who forwarded the joke.  It happens - so we send each other dirty jokes with our personal E-mail accounts - but we don't consider that "doing business" since clearly the company doesn't consider it "appropriate" business.

I feel funny jokes and cartoons at work serve a valuable "stress relieving" function that you just can't put a value on.  I do try to keep them appropriate though - for the venue - but I never send them from my work account, or to a work account!

Wow, between 24/7 at MT and passing around "jokes" how can you find time to actually work... Yeah, I didn't think so.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on March 04, 2015, 10:56:12 AM
What I find interesting is that the only two strong Democrat defenders on MT are. . .  FF and Duck.

Duck doesn't seem that intelligent but seems to want to emulate FF, and FF relies mostly on cut and paste, with very little of his own thoughts added other than name calling of anyone who doesn't agree with his agenda.

Are these two posters representative of the whole Democrat party, or is it just a local fluke.

Personally, I don't care about the Party.
If someone does a good job, great. Democrat or Republican. Doesn't matter.
If they lie, cheat, steal, or they don't use good judgement as an elected official, they need to be replaced.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: toobad on March 04, 2015, 11:01:37 AM
What I find interesting is that the only two strong Democrat defenders on MT are. . .  FF and Duck.

Duck doesn't seem that intelligent, and FF relies mostly on cut and paste, with very little of his own thoughts added other than name calling of anyone who doesn't agree with his agenda.

Are these two posters representative of the whole Democrat party, or is it just a local fluke.

Personally, I don't care about the Party.
If someone does a good job, great. Democrat or Republican. Doesn't matter.
If they lie, cheat, steal, or don't use good judgement as an elected official, they need to be replaced.



+1 and may I add third party memebers.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 04, 2015, 11:04:12 AM
Ahhh, so you did condemn the Bush white house for using private email... NOT!

I know it is very hard to accept reality that Faux refuses to tell you but the fact is that NO SECRETARY OF STATE BEFORE KERRY USED ANYTHING BUT PRIVATE EMAIL.  I know that is hard to understand but give it a try.

Nah they were just Cheney and his staff among others.... but why quibble.
   

There is no... conclusion, that you make up that I conjured.  I am stating FACT.  If you only listen to right wing nuts that lie to you then you will never know.

Umm Soooooooooooo? ? ? ?   Are you saying that Secretary Clinton broke the law and you know it but no one else does?  WSell, I guess you and the nuts do make up lies, so perhaps you do.
She did.  Your republicans NEVER did!  EVER!  But, hey, you KNOW that there are all these secret things all hidden under her pillow implicating her for who know what lie you right wing nuts made up today.

Wait, where did I say that?  Ohhhh, I didn't did I.  You just made it up.  The archive laws were there prior to the Bush White House using private email to hide wrongdoing.  As far as Secretary of State, I simply stated the FACT that no Secretary ever used public email.. ever!  It doesn't mean I made up some phantom wrongdoing...  just that there was no secretary that ever did. You just do what you nuts always do and make up that whatever your republicans did doesn't matter, but anyone that follows is horrid.

question all you want but that doesn't give you the right to make up lies, or in our case bleat what faux news tells you to.


I see you and Fry attended the same party line "answer school" - blame it on a source that wasn't cited...

As far as the Bush era - that was wrong and shouldn't have been done.

But two wrongs don't make a right as my parents taught me long ago...

I find it hard to believe the Federal Bureaucracy couldn't figure out how to make the transition from mail and recordings - to e-mail - until 2014 as the Democrats are rushing to claim as a defense.   

But if in all this you think was okay for top level government officials to use personal e-mails -
 it's impossible to get the point about archive and Freedom of Information across.
8*

Heck even the president's Press Secretary confirmed the fact that it was made known across Obama's administration - but that's a pesky fact  ;)

Curious why records show she used multiple personal e-mail accounts?
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About 300 of Clinton’s recovered e-mails were turned over to a congressional committee investigating the 2012 deaths of four Americans at U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya. The chairman of that panel, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), said Tuesday that the former secretary of state used multiple personal accounts.


White House press secretary Josh Earnest said at his daily briefing.

“Very specific guidance has been given to agencies all across the government, which is specifically that employees in the Obama administration should use their official e-mail accounts when they’re conducting official government business,”

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-use-of-personal-e-mail-at-state-dept-violated-obama-directive/2015/03/03/454d7938-c1b9-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html[/url] ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-use-of-personal-e-mail-at-state-dept-violated-obama-directive/2015/03/03/454d7938-c1b9-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html[/url])


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 04, 2015, 11:46:05 AM
What I find interesting is that the only two strong Democrat defenders on MT are. . .  FF and Duck.

Duck doesn't seem that intelligent but seems to want to emulate FF, and FF relies mostly on cut and paste, with very little of his own thoughts added other than name calling of anyone who doesn't agree with his agenda.

Are these two posters representative of the whole Democrat party, or is it just a local fluke.

Personally, I don't care about the Party.
If someone does a good job, great. Democrat or Republican. Doesn't matter.
If they lie, cheat, steal, or they don't use good judgement as an elected official, they need to be replaced.

Poor baby, can’t answer in the real world so have to go for personal insults to avoid the topic. 


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If they lie, cheat, steal, or they don't use good judgement as an elected official, they need to be replaced.

Therein lies the problem tea bagger.  Those are nice platitudes but need to be used fairly.  See, you and yours are bleating that Clinton did something new and no scuzzy republican ever did such a nasty thing.  But, they did dingaling.  I know Faux has not told you yet, but it is a fact that no Secretary of State - none, tea bagger - ever used public email before Kerry. 

Speaking slowly just for you.  It means that your republicans did the same thing dodo.  Making up that Clinton is suddenly doing something no one else ever did is stupid.  But, then you tea bagger republicans don’t really care about facts, just the hate and lies.

So, according to your platitudes you should be condemning all the republican Secretaries of State before Clinton of being ghasty horrors that hid all kinds of illegal things in private email instead of public email.  Right?  Yeah, didn’t think you were man enough to join the real world.

Astute of you to notice that no one other than right wing nuts like you post here much, because you and your bagger buddies only care about the insults and hatred and shutting up anything but right wing Faux news spam.


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on March 04, 2015, 11:56:03 AM
Therein lies the problem tea bagger.  Those are nice platitudes but need to be used fairly.  See, you and yours are bleating that Clinton did something new and no scuzzy republican ever did such a nasty thing.  But, they did dingaling.  I know Faux has not told you yet, but it is a fact that no Secretary of State - none, tea bagger - ever used public email before Kerry. 

Speaking slowly just for you.  It means that your republicans did the same thing dodo.  Making up that Clinton is suddenly doing something no one else ever did is stupid.  But, then you tea bagger republicans don’t really care about facts, just the hate and lies.

So, according to your platitudes you should be condemning all the republican Secretaries of State before Clinton of being ghasty horrors that hid all kinds of illegal things in private email instead of public email.  Right?  Yeah, didn’t think you were man enough to join the real world.

Astute of you to notice that no one other than right wing nuts like you post here much, because you and your bagger buddies only care about the insults and hatred and shutting up anything but right wing Faux news spam.

Two things Duckhead.

1.  I didn't say anything about Clinton and her emails.

2.  The above statement from you proves my point


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 04, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Two things Duckhead.

1.  I didn't say anything about Clinton and her emails.

2.  The above statement from you proves my point

Poor wittle baby...

So, you just happened to make personal insults to me with nothing at all to do with the topic.  You just wanted to inuslt me, Is that it?

Okay, from your platitudes you say Clinton did nothing any different than any other secretary of state before her, move on, nothing to see here.  Yeah, right!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on March 04, 2015, 01:02:36 PM
What I find interesting is that the only two strong Democrat defenders on MT are. . .  FF and Duck.

Duck doesn't seem that intelligent but seems to want to emulate FF, and FF relies mostly on cut and paste, with very little of his own thoughts added other than name calling of anyone who doesn't agree with his agenda.

Are these two posters representative of the whole Democrat party, or is it just a local fluke.

Personally, I don't care about the Party.
If someone does a good job, great. Democrat or Republican. Doesn't matter.
If they lie, cheat, steal, or they don't use good judgement as an elected official, they need to be replaced.




GREAT post.  I agree 100% with everything you said.

I'll bet $100.00 that you will NEVER see ANY Democrat agree these facts.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 04, 2015, 01:18:52 PM

GREAT post.  I agree 100% with everything you said.

I'll bet $100.00 that you will NEVER see ANY Democrat agree these facts.

Why not LiveLIAR.  It is what you gave me for years in Poor baby, can’t answer in the real world so have to go for personal insults to avoid the topic. 


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If they lie, cheat, steal, or they don't use good judgement as an elected official, they need to be replaced.

What's not to agree with.  All very sound platitudes.  Pay up LIAR.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 04, 2015, 01:31:05 PM
I see you and Fry attended the same party line "answer school" - blame it on a source that wasn't cited...

As far as the Bush era - that was wrong and shouldn't have been done.

But two wrongs don't make a right as my parents taught me long ago...

I find it hard to believe the Federal Bureaucracy couldn't figure out how to make the transition from mail and recordings - to e-mail - until 2014 as the Democrats are rushing to claim as a defense.   

But if in all this you think was okay for top level government officials to use personal e-mails -
 it's impossible to get the point about archive and Freedom of Information across.
8*

Heck even the president's Press Secretary confirmed the fact that it was made known across Obama's administration - but that's a pesky fact  ;)

Curious why records show she used multiple personal e-mail accounts?

There is a major security risk with using an email account outside of an organizations mail server.   This outside email is traveling across unsecured servers enroute to the addressee.

This would be an IT Policy violation at any company that I have worked for and you would likely be terminated if you were sending any sensitive information in this manner.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 04, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
There is a major security risk with using an email account outside of an organizations mail server.   This outside email is traveling across unsecured servers enroute to the addressee.

This would be an IT Policy violation at any company that I have worked for and you would likely be terminated if you were sending any sensitive information in this manner.



Don't try bringing facts into a name calling contest  ;D

The party line is we've always done it that way -

I'm sure the multiple email accounts were all just so she could keep up with Friends/Foes/Donors   8)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on March 04, 2015, 04:15:28 PM
Why not LiveLIAR.  It is what you gave me for years in Poor baby, can’t answer in the real world so have to go for personal insults to avoid the topic. 


What's not to agree with.  All very sound platitudes.  Pay up LIAR.

Oh, I see.  You're drunk.  That's the only time you show up here and ramble on, incoherently. 

"It is what you gave me for years in Poor baby..."

I have NO IDEA what you were trying to say there.

Really makes the Democrats look intelligent though, bub.   8*


ALL very sound platitudes?  REALLY? ? ? ? ? ?

So you agree with this statement:


Duck doesn't seem that intelligent...

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 04, 2015, 08:09:13 PM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv030415dAPR20150304034512.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 05, 2015, 12:57:07 PM
... and the defense is hey someone else did it... 
only works until 2011 when the President directed all his administration to conduct official business using government (Archived) e-mails

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it was Clinton and her staff who decided which e-mails to turn over. "That's not exactly the height of transparency for someone who is the de facto Democratic presidential nominee in 2016," writes The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza.

 
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Dick Harpootlian, a former Democratic Party chairman in South Carolina, told CNN. “Do we nominate her not knowing what’s in those e-mails?”

Added Boyd Brown, a Democratic National Committee member and former state legislator from South Carolina, "These are problems that raise real leadership and transparency concerns, concerns that can be addressed in caucuses and primaries, but would go ignored in a coronation process."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2015/0305/Hillary-Clinton-s-secret-code-name-for-Chelsea-and-other-e-mail-revelations (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2015/0305/Hillary-Clinton-s-secret-code-name-for-Chelsea-and-other-e-mail-revelations)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 05, 2015, 01:12:38 PM
Darn that new Technology like e-mail...    ;D

====================================================
the WHITE HOUSE President Barack Obama


Transparency and Open Government

Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies
SUBJECT:      Transparency and Open Government

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.  We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.

Government should be transparent.  Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing.  Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 05, 2015, 06:06:06 PM
Don't try bringing facts into a name calling contest  ;D

The party line is we've always done it that way -

I'm sure the multiple email accounts were all just so she could keep up with Friends/Foes/Donors   8)

Wow not a professor accuses me of not using fact. Why do you repeatedly ignore FACT to attack Clinton and ignore that ALL OTHER SECRETARIES OF STATE USED PRIVATE EMAIL.  ALL OF THEM. 

I know that is very hard to understand but try.

Just admit you are just a partisan hypocrite and don't really give a crap about public emails or you would have ranted like this over the Bush Wite House or all of the republican secretaries of state. 

But you won't because you only want to be a troll.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 05, 2015, 06:09:43 PM
Oh, I see.  You're drunk.  That's the only time you show up here and ramble on, incoherently. 

"It is what you gave me for years in Poor baby..."

I have NO IDEA what you were trying to say there.

Really makes the Democrats look intelligent though, bub.   8*


ALL very sound platitudes?  REALLY? ? ? ? ? ?

So you agree with this statement:

Oh how cute

The LiveLIAR is not just a liar but also welshes on bets by playing word games.


I am certain that if you work really, really, really hard you could someday become a contestant on "Who's smarter than a kindergartner."


Well, not really, I lied (just like you liar) you don't stand a remote chance of even getting on the show.  But it won't hurt you to try and learn, maybe someday you could try challenging a preschooler.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 05, 2015, 06:13:29 PM
Wow not a professor accuses me of not using fact. Why do you repeatedly ignore FACT to attack Clinton and ignore that ALL OTHER SECRETARIES OF STATE USED PRIVATE EMAIL.  ALL OF THEM. 

I know that is very hard to understand but try.

Just admit you are just a partisan hypocrite and don't really give a crap about public emails or you would have ranted like this over the Bush Wite House or all of the republican secretaries of state. 

But you won't because you only want to be a troll.

Even the ones before E-mail?

Everyone of them?

All of them?

Really?

I call BS on that statement!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on March 05, 2015, 06:16:18 PM

Well, not really, I lied.


Yes. I know.  You liberals do it all the time.

Hell, your buddy Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaama lies every time he speaks!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 05, 2015, 06:20:25 PM
Yes. I know.  You liberals do it all the time.

Hell, your buddy Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaama lies every time he speaks!
Oh, look there.  The LiveLIAR did just liek his idols at Faux news chopping out a part of someones sentence to slander with it. 

That was all right up there with saying I have kooties. 

Work harder and you may yet challenge to be on "Who is smarter than a 2 year old."
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 05, 2015, 08:18:34 PM
What is funny is that this must be coming from the democrats or the Clinton camp.   

Republicans would have sat on this until 2016.   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: John Kopke on March 05, 2015, 08:33:05 PM
Libs are all over this scandal with the but so and so also emailed using their personal email excuse. Yet did these folks also have their own  server in the basement? Now, if I am not mistaken, anyone can delete an email from their computer, however it can only be completely expunged by erasing it from the server. Would that not be the case? If so, what is the explanation for HRC having her own server?       
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 05, 2015, 08:34:18 PM
Clintons just getting it out of the way before elections.  They know everything incriminating has been taken care of.  why do you think they ran their own email server.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 05, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
The only way the get her is to find her emails on government backups who she might have been emailing.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 05, 2015, 08:38:55 PM
LOL.   This just keeps getting more entertaining.

Report: Hillary’s office sent cable to State Dep’t employees in 2011 opposing private e-mail on security grounds

Fox News has exclusively obtained an internal 2011 State Department cable that shows Secretary of State Clinton’s office told employees not to use personal email for security reasons, while at the same time, HRC conducted all government business on a private account.   Sent to Diplomatic and Consular Staff in June 2011, the unclassified cable, with Clinton’s electronic signature, makes clear to “avoid conducting official Department from your personal e-mail accounts”  and employees should not “auto-forward Department email to personal email accounts which is prohibited by Department policy.”

The Cable was addressed to all diplomatic and consular posts with the subject line “Securing Personal E-mail Accounts.” While the cable told employees to secure personal/home email accounts given increased targeting of government employees, it makes clear that these personal accounts should never be used for government business and cites the departure procedures which prohibit the practices.

https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/03/05/report-hillarys-office-sent-cable-to-state-dept-employees-in-2011-opposing-private-e-mail-on-security-grounds/
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 05, 2015, 09:27:27 PM
Sorry to bring facts into this discussion ...

but it appears back on June 28, 2011 The State Department (Hillary was Secretary of State)
sent a cable/memorandum regarding Personal Email Accounts

(this was after a case of hacking)
So they knew the dangers of using personal e-mails to conduct business in fact
from the memo:

3 d) Avoid conducting official Department business from  your personal e-mail accounts.
   e) Do not reveal your personal e-mail address in your work "out-of office" message.
  f)  Do not auto-forward Department e-mail to personal e-mail accounts, which is prohibited by Department policy (12 FAM544.3)

4. Questions regarding cyber security awareness should be addressed to awareness@state.gov
CLINTON


Entire Cable at:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/03/05/state-department-cable-june-28-2011/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/03/05/state-department-cable-june-28-2011/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 05, 2015, 10:09:17 PM
Nothing to see here, folks; move along.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 05, 2015, 10:14:19 PM
Libs are all over this scandal with the but so and so also emailed using their personal email excuse. Yet did these folks also have their own  server in the basement? Now, if I am not mistaken, anyone can delete an email from their computer, however it can only be completely expunged by erasing it from the server. Would that not be the case? If so, what is the explanation for HRC having her own server?     


Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government.

gwb43.com, owned by and hosted on an email server run by the Republican National Committee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy)

So, yeah, Bush and his white house didn't OWN the server, but the RNC owning it is no different.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday.
"I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost," Perino told reporters.

The administration was already facing sharp questions about whether top presidential advisers including Karl Rove improperly used Republican National Committee e-mail that the White House said later disappeared.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html?eref=rss_topstories (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)

Jeb Bush Owned Personal Email Server He Used as Governor

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush owns the server that runs jeb@jeb.org, the personal email he used as governor to conduct official, political and personal business, NBC News has learned.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/jeb-bush-owned-personal-email-server-he-used-governor-n317286 (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/jeb-bush-owned-personal-email-server-he-used-governor-n317286)
But, as you say it may not have been in his basement.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 05, 2015, 10:17:14 PM
But, but...
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 05, 2015, 10:18:58 PM
Sorry to bring facts into this discussion ...

but it appears back on June 28, 2011 The State Department (Hillary was Secretary of State)
sent a cable/memorandum regarding Personal Email Accounts

(this was after a case of hacking)
So they knew the dangers of using personal e-mails to conduct business in fact
from the memo:

3 d) Avoid conducting official Department business from  your personal e-mail accounts.
   e) Do not reveal your personal e-mail address in your work "out-of office" message.
  f)  Do not auto-forward Department e-mail to personal e-mail accounts, which is prohibited by Department policy (12 FAM544.3)

4. Questions regarding cyber security awareness should be addressed to awareness@state.gov
CLINTON


Entire Cable at:
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/03/05/state-department-cable-june-28-2011/[/url] ([url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/03/05/state-department-cable-june-28-2011/[/url])


Good point.  You are still just being a partisan hypocrite though.

The tea nutcases claim that anyone not tea bagger nutjob are stupid, only they are brilliant. So, how could your republicans be stupid and use private email anyway? 

It isn't new, it isn't just Clinton.  You and the rest of the nuts make as if Clinton is alone in it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 05, 2015, 10:20:38 PM
Sorry to bring facts into this discussion ...

but it appears back on June 28, 2011 The State Department (Hillary was Secretary of State)
sent a cable/memorandum regarding Personal Email Accounts

(this was after a case of hacking)
So they knew the dangers of using personal e-mails to conduct business in fact
from the memo:

3 d) Avoid conducting official Department business from  your personal e-mail accounts.
   e) Do not reveal your personal e-mail address in your work "out-of office" message.
  f)  Do not auto-forward Department e-mail to personal e-mail accounts, which is prohibited by Department policy (12 FAM544.3)

4. Questions regarding cyber security awareness should be addressed to awareness@state.gov
CLINTON


Entire Cable at:
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/03/05/state-department-cable-june-28-2011/[/url] ([url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/03/05/state-department-cable-june-28-2011/[/url])


Yes, and President Obama is the first President ever to make it a requirement for the Secretary of State to use government email.  YOu praising the president for doing what Bush didn't do?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 05, 2015, 10:22:52 PM
You missed the sig at the end of the previous post?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 05, 2015, 10:42:15 PM
Good point.  You are still just being a partisan hypocrite though.


Please explain why you call Prof H a hypocrite. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 05, 2015, 11:02:31 PM
I think certain posters are missing the point here.....

Secretary Clinton was an EMPLOYEE of the United States of America.

In fact - she was a fairly HIGH RANKING member of said ORGANIZATION.

As such CONGRESS had OVERSIGHT over her ACTIVITIES.

SO - when they asked to see records involving her activities in how she performed as an EMPLOYEE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - she had an OBLIGATION to produce said documents.

Now - that was true whether the E-mails were on a personal server, or the Government Server.

For whatever Reason Secretary Clinton didn't do that - though now she claims she wants all America to see them.

Now - why has it taken so many months to turn her records over to her previous employer?

Did she turn ALL her records over to her previous employer?

It seems to me she had PLENTY of time to sanitize said documents - if she wanted to - though I would NEVER accuse such an HONEST person of doing that.

I mean - What could Possibly be in those E-mails that Could Possibly Matter?

But.....

If it looks like a cover-up, and it smells like a cover-up, could it be a cover-up?

And by the way - the IRS can't find E-mails either.

What a coincidence.

It almost seems like a pattern of behavior.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 05, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
Nothing to see here, folks.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 06, 2015, 12:20:23 AM
Because "they" did it isn't an excuse...   yet some want to enable the bad practices.

I guess because we didn't say it was wrong in 2007 - we are to remain quiet on this?

Obama should get credit if no one else in the years of e-mails prior - decided hey we should probably keep these for the government archive... 
His moment of shining light came when the hackers attacked - 2011

The President directed officials to use official emails for official business, and Hillary did the same to her agency.

But yet it wasn't important enough for the Secretary of State to follow her own direction to her underlings.

BTW
Jeb Bush's e-mails were all turned over - as it seems States were up on transparency and e-mail documentation preservation way before the Feds?

We don't know if "all" of the e-mails Hillary used have all been turned over - do we?

And that's not even starting on the years of emails the IRS tried to hide for Lerner...   8*
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 06, 2015, 07:28:51 AM
I still want someone to explain why Hillary needs the State Department to release emails that she has on a server in her house.   Why can't she just release them all?

Hillary tweeted this:

I want the public to see my email. I asked State to release them. They said they will review them for release as soon as possible.

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/573340998287413248
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 06, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
I still want someone to explain why Hillary needs the State Department to release emails that she has on a server in her house.   Why can't she just release them all?

Hillary tweeted this:

I want the public to see my email. I asked State to release them. They said they will review them for release as soon as possible.

[url]https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/573340998287413248[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/573340998287413248[/url])

Because she probably did classified stuff on them...?



Interesting to see that one arm of Obama's enforcement (DOJ) was also involved in keeping people away from the off site IRS email storage site -
Really leading to the question - what are they so afraid of in those emails?

Yep the reason Lerner pleaded the fifth in front of the world...
http://www.hngn.com/articles/74398/20150304/department-of-justice-blocked-search-for-lois-lerners-missing-irs-emails-lawyer-says.htm (http://www.hngn.com/articles/74398/20150304/department-of-justice-blocked-search-for-lois-lerners-missing-irs-emails-lawyer-says.htm)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 06, 2015, 01:04:17 PM
The Associated Press reports:

The White House counsel's office was not aware at the time Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state that she relied solely on personal email and only found out as part of the congressional investigation into the Benghazi attack, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The person said Clinton's exclusive reliance on personal email as the nation's top diplomat was inconsistent with the guidance given to agencies that official business should be conducted on official email accounts.

full story at:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/assessing-the-state-of-democratic-panic-about-hillarys-emails/386911/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/assessing-the-state-of-democratic-panic-about-hillarys-emails/386911/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 06, 2015, 04:50:35 PM
Even when they lie all the time why does the Obozo admin try to make up stories and expect us to believe them.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: John Kopke on March 06, 2015, 08:44:39 PM
God almighty. WH knew, at an absolute minimum, about HRC email deal in August 2014, yet Josh Ernest says the President may not have known until it came out in the news in the last week or so. Are you kidding me? Time after time this President doesn't find out about all these major deals until the average man also does when it came out in the newspapers? Come on!

Everything is fudged up, but the President hasn't yet read about it in the paper, so certainly he couldn't be blamed for not heading off the various catastrophes because he was unaware.   

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 06, 2015, 08:50:31 PM
Because she probably did classified stuff on them...?



Interesting to see that one arm of Obama's enforcement (DOJ) was also involved in keeping people away from the off site IRS email storage site -
Really leading to the question - what are they so afraid of in those emails?

Yep the reason Lerner pleaded the fifth in front of the world...
[url]http://www.hngn.com/articles/74398/20150304/department-of-justice-blocked-search-for-lois-lerners-missing-irs-emails-lawyer-says.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.hngn.com/articles/74398/20150304/department-of-justice-blocked-search-for-lois-lerners-missing-irs-emails-lawyer-says.htm[/url])


I would believe that keeping classified documents on a personal computer would violate most any government IT Policy.   Most organizations want their sensitive documents on their hardware and protected by their disk encryption software.

Lerner emails already showed that she was meeting with the DOJ to pursue the conservative groups.   It appears likely that the DOJ were aiding and abetting Lerner's efforts.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 06, 2015, 08:54:08 PM
Buzzfeed joins the left piling on Hillary.

In 2000 Video Hillary Clinton Says She Doesn’t “Do Email” Because Of Investigations Into Her

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has come under fire in recent days after the New York Times revealed she exclusively used a private email address to conduct official business in her capacity as the nation’s top diplomat.

A subsequent Associated Press report revealed Clinton used a computer server registered to her New York state home to send and receive email, a move they described as “highly unusual.”

An old ABC 20/20 report from 2001 that’s been on YouTube since 2007 shows Clinton might have avoided email entirely later in her term as first lady because of all investigations the Clinton White House was under.

From the report’s transcript, via the video and Lexis Nexis:

ROSS: (VO) Dionne Warwick sang for the small group. Ironically enough, “That’s what friends are for.” Numerous stars were there, but Paul and his wife Andrea were the ones seated right next to Mrs. Clinton. In fact, Paul’s home videos picked up Mrs. Clinton saying she had stopped using e-mail messages because of all the investigations she had been through.
Senator CLINTON: (From home video) As much as I’ve been investigated and all of that, you know, why would I—I don’t even want—why would I ever want to do e-mail?
Mr. PAUL: (From home video) No, no.
Senator CLINTON: (From home video) Can you imagine?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: John Kopke on March 06, 2015, 09:02:38 PM
I watch the Obama spokesperson, or the State Departments spokespeople, respond to questions and it makes me gag. Seldom, if ever, do you ever get anything close a straight answer. All spin, deception, or just plain BS. But they know they can get away with it because the average American doesn't know their *** from third base when it comes to what is actually going on.  And so it goes. We're all but done.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 07, 2015, 12:25:40 PM
(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/aa9b0fa/2147483647/resize/534x/format/png/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F9d%2F16%2Fceb77e1a4d4cbef3694d5c7d730d%2F20150305edsuc-a.tiff)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 08, 2015, 11:37:56 AM
(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/4e9009e/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F50%2Fa9%2F1e8dc402484f93ecfe996d044e90%2Fthumb-6.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 08, 2015, 11:53:35 AM
John,  you referring to those two ladies the State Dept rolls out to set us straight.  Anybody but the Obozo regime would be embarrassed.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on March 08, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
([url]http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/4e9009e/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F50%2Fa9%2F1e8dc402484f93ecfe996d044e90%2Fthumb-6.jpg[/url])


LMAO......Classic!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 09, 2015, 07:10:09 PM
Obama is going to forced to walk back that he learned about Hillary's email in the newspaper when he was emailing her @clintonemail.com and not @state.gov.

Earnest: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton corresponded via her personal email

President Barack Obama communicated via email with Hillary Clinton while she used her personal email, according to the White House.

In a press briefing on Monday, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said that Obama did correspond with his secretary of state via her private email address.

“The president, as I think many people expected, did over the course of his first several years in office trade emails with his secretary of state,” Earnest said. “I would not describe the number of emails as large, but they did have the occasion to email each other.”

Earnest’s admission comes after Obama said on CBS on Saturday that he learned about Clinton’s use of a private email and server “the same time everybody else learned it, through news reports.” According to Earnest, this comment should not be assumed to mean that Obama and Clinton never emailed back and forth.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/obama-hillary-clinton-personal-email-115899.html#ixzz3Tvsoa9hw (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/obama-hillary-clinton-personal-email-115899.html#ixzz3Tvsoa9hw)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 09, 2015, 10:59:44 PM
Obama is such a liar.  I think he lies just to make himself feel good.  He sure as hell isn't fooling anyone with an ounce of intellegence... (well, maybe the liberals)....and Fry.

When you e-mail anyone on a government site with government servers, it (e-mail) plainly states that right up front in the message header, so one time or a thousand times e mailed is moot.  He's either blind or stupid or a poor liar or all the previous.  You pick.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 09, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
I lkie the way the 'truth' slowly eeks out, like a constipated camel........ 8*
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on March 10, 2015, 10:15:19 PM
In Using Personal Email, Aide Says Clinton Didn't Break Law
http://www.npr.org/2015/03/03/390484881/in-using-personal-email-aide-says-clinton-didnt-break-law (http://www.npr.org/2015/03/03/390484881/in-using-personal-email-aide-says-clinton-didnt-break-law)

===

Hillary Clinton Emails: A Timeline of What Rules Were Allegedly Ignored
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true)

===

Hillary Clinton asks State to release emails: What you need to know
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/hillary-clinton-emails/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/hillary-clinton-emails/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 10, 2015, 10:29:49 PM
What are your thoughts about this?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 10, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Clintons are as slick as they come with their attorney Lanny Davis.  She knew she could hide all her email correspondence by ignoring the government servers. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 10, 2015, 10:53:44 PM
I loved the "it was too much work to carry two phones" so I stood up a home brew email server instead excuse today.   lol

If only a phone could check multiple email accounts.   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 10, 2015, 10:54:26 PM
What are your thoughts about this?

When have you ever said what you think other than nipping at people instead?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 10, 2015, 10:57:36 PM
Clintons are as slick as they come with their attorney Lanny Davis.  She knew she could hide all her email correspondence by ignoring the government servers.

Idiot.   So, you were fine with Bush and his white house using a republican national committee PRIVATE server that dissapeared 20 million emails to hide crimes.  Oh...

She did nothing that any former Secretary of State, including Republicans (In the age of internet to placate troll boy 24/7) they ALL used private email.

You are so terrified of Clinton you try anything to attack to assuage your terror.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 10, 2015, 11:02:16 PM
Your first word violates the TOS. Let's see if anything happens. Nope.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on March 10, 2015, 11:29:37 PM
What are your thoughts about this?
Like I said...I'm not a Hillary fan.

I hope she decides to not run.

How do you feel about it?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 10, 2015, 11:34:45 PM
Your first word violates the TOS. Let's see if anything happens. Nope.

Yip yip yip.

do you say anything?  Ever?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 11, 2015, 09:20:59 AM
In Using Personal Email, Aide Says Clinton Didn't Break Law
[url]http://www.npr.org/2015/03/03/390484881/in-using-personal-email-aide-says-clinton-didnt-break-law[/url] ([url]http://www.npr.org/2015/03/03/390484881/in-using-personal-email-aide-says-clinton-didnt-break-law[/url])

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Hillary Clinton Emails: A Timeline of What Rules Were Allegedly Ignored
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true[/url] ([url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true[/url])

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Hillary Clinton asks State to release emails: What you need to know
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/hillary-clinton-emails/[/url] ([url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/hillary-clinton-emails/[/url])

Curious that the "Defense" of Hillary seems to be focused on Laws and not rules or presidential directives.
Oh and Duck's - they've all done it...  which we are learning is not in compliance as the archive and sunshine rules/laws are being revamped to cover that new fangled technology like "E-Mail"  ;D

The NPR story clearly states the presidents directive
Quote
White House Spokesman Josh Earnest was peppered with questions today about whether other administration officials knew Clinton was sidestepping government email. Earnest did not answer directly. But he says the administration's official guidance is that employees should use government email accounts when they're conducting official government business. Scott Horsley, NPR News, the White House.


Also, didn't the State Department also have rules?
Quote
Hillary Clinton was in violation of State Department rules governing the use of non-governmental email accounts during her entire tenure as secretary of state and for nearly two years after she left the job, ABC News has learned.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-violation-state-dept-policy-years/story?id=29424270 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-violation-state-dept-policy-years/story?id=29424270)

The whole point of using a government e-mail -   is so your business is kept separate from your personal stuff - which in many cases is open for disclosure under sunshine laws when you blur/blend them as one.

Violations from your ABC article
Quote
ABC News has now identified at least two ways in which Clinton may have broken federal rules. During her tenure at the State Department she appears to have violated an existing 2005 rule. And after her tenure, it appears that she did not heed a 2013 rule change that may have put her in violation.


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 11, 2015, 09:26:20 AM
Idiot.   So, you were fine with Bush and his white house using a republican national committee PRIVATE server that dissapeared 20 million emails to hide crimes.  Oh...

She did nothing that any former Secretary of State, including Republicans (In the age of internet to placate troll boy 24/7) they ALL used private email.

You are so terrified of Clinton you try anything to attack to assuage your terror.


So back to these Bush era e-mails that bother you so much - they also seemed to bother Hillary so much she spoke on it during a campaign speech...  ;D

What did she say?

Then what did she turn around and do herself  8*

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In the midst of the 2008 presidential race, Clinton took a jab at the Bush administration's use of non-governmental email accounts.

"Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps. We know about secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts," Clinton said in a 2007 campaign speech.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 11, 2015, 01:41:22 PM
So back to these Bush era e-mails that bother you so much - they also seemed to bother Hillary so much she spoke on it during a campaign speech...  ;D

What did she say?

Then what did she turn around and do herself  8*

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In the midst of the 2008 presidential race, Clinton took a jab at the Bush administration's use of non-governmental email accounts.

"Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps. We know about secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts," Clinton said in a 2007 campaign speech.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true[/url] ([url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true[/url])


I love this so much.  Yep, and you also just gave another reason for precedence.  Your leaders did it, so why can't she?  Oh, yeah, for you it is still all just one person, Clinton.  I get you fear her running.  The rest is typical republican spin or lies. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 11, 2015, 02:20:52 PM
So back to these Bush era e-mails that bother you so much - they also seemed to bother Hillary so much she spoke on it during a campaign speech...  ;D

What did she say?

Then what did she turn around and do herself  8*

=================================
In the midst of the 2008 presidential race, Clinton took a jab at the Bush administration's use of non-governmental email accounts.

"Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps. We know about secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts," Clinton said in a 2007 campaign speech.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true[/url] ([url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-emails-timeline-rules-allegedly/story?id=29442707&singlePage=true[/url])


Well - Hillary didn't want to carry multiple devices for those multiple E-mail accounts.

Oh wait - I have more than one E-mail account on my Android.....

What type of phone does she have?

An Apple device?

They must really stink if you can't have 2 E-mail accounts on the same phone.

 ;D

Don't you think given several days to spin an excuse a Presidential contender could come up with something better than that?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 11, 2015, 03:50:26 PM
It doesn't matter with the Clintons.  They pay everyone off with the hundreds of millions of foreign donations.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 11, 2015, 03:53:13 PM
Well - Hillary didn't want to carry multiple devices for those multiple E-mail accounts.

Oh wait - I have more than one E-mail account on my Android.....

What type of phone does she have?

An Apple device?

They must really stink if you can't have 2 E-mail accounts on the same phone.

 ;D

Don't you think given several days to spin an excuse a Presidential contender could come up with something better than that?

Really?

I find that shocking!

Oh, wait, you didn't say you had a work email and a private one.  You just said you have multiple emails... Whew, for a second there you had me thinking you worked instead of spend all your work time here.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 11, 2015, 04:22:41 PM

Oh wait - I have more than one E-mail account on my Android.....


Don't be silly.   I heard it is much easier to install, configure, secure  and maintain a server and then tie that hardware into your devices. 

Why don't you made it easy like Hillary did?   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 11, 2015, 06:04:25 PM
Well - Hillary didn't want to carry multiple devices for those multiple E-mail accounts.

Oh wait - I have more than one E-mail account on my Android.....

What type of phone does she have?

An Apple device?

They must really stink if you can't have 2 E-mail accounts on the same phone.

 ;D

Don't you think given several days to spin an excuse a Presidential contender could come up with something better than that?
Really?

I find that shocking!

Oh, wait, you didn't say you had a work email and a private one.  You just said you have multiple emails... Whew, for a second there you had me thinking you worked instead of spend all your work time here.

I've had the capability "With an IPhone"... to  access 3 email accounts for years...  it's actually pretty easy, and it keeps them separate.   Want to access the one from the University - it goes through the schools servers...  my gmail through theirs...  I still keep my original e-mail although it's limited in use now as it's storage is so small.

The point is there is NO EXCUSE -
other than her own statements that she basically wanted to hide everything - and then later when confronted -
says oh I'll comply now and promise to send you all my emails that I think you should have... 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 11, 2015, 06:15:55 PM

It is going to be funny when the State Department releases the heavily redacted Hillary emails with "no classified" information.


No Classified Emails by Clinton? Some Experts Are Skeptical

WASHINGTON — Anyone who has tried to pry information from the federal government may have been surprised on Tuesday by Hillary Rodham Clinton’s assertion that in all her emails in four years as secretary of state she never strayed into the classified realm.

After all, a consensus of both Republicans and Democrats for many years has been that the government routinely overclassifies information, reflexively stamping “secret” on mountains of documents with marginally sensitive content. The government classified more than 80 million documents in 2013, according to the Information Security Oversight Office, which publishes an annual count.

“I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email,” Mrs. Clinton said at a news conference on Tuesday at the United Nations. “I’m certainly well aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material.”

But some secrecy experts and former government officials on Tuesday were skeptical, noting the interesting turnabout that had a former top official insisting, for once, that none of her exchanges were secret.

“As a longtime critic of the government’s massive overclassification, I thought it was a refreshing touch that the secretary of state conducted all her email in unclassified form,” said Thomas S. Blanton, director of the National Security Archive at George Washington University. He spoke with a hint of sarcasm — his nonprofit organization has battled the government for decades to overcome classification claims and try to make important official documents public.

Mrs. Clinton insisted that she kept classified information out of her email, as the law required. Storing classified information in a personal, nongovernment email account on a private computer server, like the one at Mrs. Clinton’s home, would be a violation of secrecy laws.

And relations with other countries are particularly subject to secrecy claims. “Foreign government information” — information received from another government with the expectation that it will be held in confidence — is an official category of classified information in secrecy regulations.

A former senior State Department official who served before the Obama administration said that while it was hard to be certain, it seemed unlikely that classified information could be kept out of the more than 30,000 emails that Mrs. Clinton’s staff identified as involving government business.

“I would assume that more than 50 percent of what the secretary of state dealt with was classified,” said the former official, who would speak only on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to seem ungracious to Mrs. Clinton. “Was every single email of the secretary of state completely unclassified? Maybe, but it’s hard to imagine.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/politics/no-classified-emails-by-clinton-some-experts-are-skeptical.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/politics/no-classified-emails-by-clinton-some-experts-are-skeptical.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 11, 2015, 06:44:24 PM
Is this another one of those Clinton moments of "I did not have sex with that woman"
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 11, 2015, 07:13:42 PM


Bill Clinton It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0#)


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on March 11, 2015, 07:31:43 PM
Really?

I find that shocking!

Oh, wait, you didn't say you had a work email and a private one.  You just said you have multiple emails... Whew, for a second there you had me thinking you worked instead of spend all your work time here.

I have several email accounts on my iphone and ipad, both personal and business. 

But I guess I have a lot better phones than Hillary does, huh?   8* 8* 8*
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 11, 2015, 07:42:36 PM
lol... very clever.

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/dzwq9gwsjkrjjxzd1bf9.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 11, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
61,156 of 1,000,000,000 emails would be about a 99.994 % non-compliant rate.    A lapse?  lol

State IG report: Lapses in e-mail record keeping at agency

In perhaps the mostly timely inspector general report of all time, the State Department’s watchdog released its review of the agency’s e-mail record keeping Wednesday, highlighting specific lapses and confusion.

The IG concluded that there’s no “central oversight” of recording e-mails at State. And that “many e-mails that qualify as records are not being saved as record e-mails.”

The IG conducted its review last year of a program lower-level State employees use for archiving their e-mails. A footnote in the report clarifies that it’s not used by “highlevel principals, the Secretary, the Deputy Secretaries, the Under Secretaries, and their immediate staffs, which maintain separate systems.”

Still the report suggests a culture at State where e-mail record keeping is not a priority.

In 2011, State employees wrote more than 1 billion e-mails, but only 61,156 were maintained for the official record, the IG found. In 2013, it was even lower with 41,749 submitted for the record.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2015/03/11/state-ig-report-lapses-in-e-mail-record-keeping-at-agency/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2015/03/11/state-ig-report-lapses-in-e-mail-record-keeping-at-agency/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 11, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
I have several email accounts on my iphone and ipad, both personal and business. 

But I guess I have a lot better phones than Hillary does, huh?   8* 8* 8*

My current Droid Turbo will handle probably dozens of different email accounts...

however...

The very first real 'smart phone' I had was a Blackberry...   which I thought someone said she had...

I could get my Gmail on it and it worked really good for getting my Blackberry mail...   it was designed for the Blackberry system and they had their own servers and Email would work when you couldn't get enough of a signal to use even the phone!!!  However, I could not get my anything from my four Charter email accounts no matter what I did.  I spent hours in the Verizon store...   I talked on the phone to Charter...   I talked on the phone to Verizon...   I talked on the phone to BlackBerry (I think I even had to pay for that call) and they were the ones that finally admitted that phone just was not ever going to be able to get certain emails no matter what I did!

I guess I don't know how old her phone was or what brand it was but it's kind of unrealistic to compare it to a new iphone or ipad...

And, there is also such a thing as 'operator error'... 

We're not dealing with a 30 something here...

she's definitely in the age range that is frequently considered to be technologically 'challenged' with these type of devices ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 11, 2015, 10:15:33 PM
lol... very clever.



Well darn it all, she has a lot to go to get to the Bush White House 20 million deleted emails. Wait, were you hacking her server to know what was deleted or not?  Oh, it is made up BS?  Oh, okay
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 11, 2015, 10:19:53 PM
61,156 of 1,000,000,000 emails would be about a 99.994 % non-compliant rate.    A lapse?  lol

State IG report: Lapses in e-mail record keeping at agency

In perhaps the mostly timely inspector general report of all time, the State Department’s watchdog released its review of the agency’s e-mail record keeping Wednesday, highlighting specific lapses and confusion.

The IG concluded that there’s no “central oversight” of recording e-mails at State. And that “many e-mails that qualify as records are not being saved as record e-mails.”

The IG conducted its review last year of a program lower-level State employees use for archiving their e-mails. A footnote in the report clarifies that it’s not used by “highlevel principals, the Secretary, the Deputy Secretaries, the Under Secretaries, and their immediate staffs, which maintain separate systems.”

Still the report suggests a culture at State where e-mail record keeping is not a priority.

In 2011, State employees wrote more than 1 billion e-mails, but only 61,156 were maintained for the official record, the IG found. In 2013, it was even lower with 41,749 submitted for the record.

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2015/03/11/state-ig-report-lapses-in-e-mail-record-keeping-at-agency/[/url] ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2015/03/11/state-ig-report-lapses-in-e-mail-record-keeping-at-agency/[/url])


You know, it sounds like there have been longstanding email problems since your elected Bush leaders used private email and deleted 20 million emails.  It started a precedent didn't it.  Good thing Obama changed it huh?  Oh, yeah you don't say that part do you.  Just the partisan spin that it is Clinton and never your republican gods.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 11, 2015, 10:22:49 PM
Well darn it all, she has a lot to go to get to the Bush White House 20 million deleted emails. Wait, were you hacking her server to know what was deleted or not?  Oh, it is made up BS?  Oh, okay
Well, darn it all, the state department has a billion e-mails, and only sixty thousand still exist to be seen. Made up BS? Oh, OK.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 11, 2015, 10:32:56 PM
Wait, were you hacking her server to know what was deleted or not?  Oh, it is made up BS?  Oh, okay

Great point Duck!   You won me over with your position.   Just because Hillary stated that she deleted all of those emails, it could be "BS" as you suggest.
Title: Republicans see gold in Hillary Clinton emails
Post by: Frenchfry on March 11, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
Republicans see gold in Hillary Clinton emails

Democrats worry that the latest Clinton flap could linger for months.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-emails-republicans-115718.html#ixzz3U8Skw0ta (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-emails-republicans-115718.html#ixzz3U8Skw0ta)
Title: Will Trey Gowdy blow it?
Post by: Frenchfry on March 11, 2015, 11:14:48 PM
Will Trey Gowdy blow it?

The GOP’s Benghazi man has Clinton’s emails, and maybe more. Now, for the hard part: staying cool.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-emails-trey-gowdy-response-115949.html#ixzz3U8ajwyon (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-emails-trey-gowdy-response-115949.html#ixzz3U8ajwyon)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 11, 2015, 11:19:45 PM
Six posts in 16 minutes. Ladies and gentlemen, The forum belongs to the fry for as long as he likes.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 11, 2015, 11:31:32 PM
Quite a feat with one hand on the keyboard and the other up his arse.
Title: The Republicans who did ‘exactly what Hillary did’
Post by: Frenchfry on March 13, 2015, 08:39:22 PM
The Republicans who did ‘exactly what Hillary did’

One of the under-appreciated angles to the story about Hillary Clinton’s email problem is that Hillary Clinton isn’t the only one with an email problem. In fact, in an ironic twist, some of the former Secretary of State’s leading Republican critics have also relied on personal email accounts and shielded selected messages from public scrutiny.
 
Aliyah Frumin explained this week, for example, that “several potential 2016 Republican presidential candidates are facing email and transparency issues of their own” and they “also leaned heavily on private emails during their time in office – and have been criticized in the past for not releasing other documents – just as they skewer Clinton for not being forthright with her personal emails.”
 
The Wall Street Journal today, for example, takes a look at former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s (R) record.
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, a likely Republican presidential candidate, primarily used a personal email account on his own computer server when he was in office from 1999 to 2007. In December, he posted online hundreds of thousands of emails from both the private and government accounts. Mr. Bush’s spokeswoman said that emails from the private account unrelated to government business weren’t turned over to the state or preserved. […]
 
But much like with Mrs. Clinton, the decision over which emails should be considered official and which remain private was made by Mr. Bush. It is unclear how many emails Mr. Bush withheld because he deemed them unrelated to state business.
Barbara Petersen, president of the First Amendment Foundation, told the WSJ that Jeb Bush “did exactly what Hillary did.” The former governor and his aides “went through those emails and decided what were public-record emails and what wasn’t.”
 
By some accounts, the messages Team Bush chose not to share related to “politics” and “campaign donors asking for favors” – topics that may be relevant in a presidential campaign.
 
Bush is hardly the only one among the likely GOP presidential candidates with this email problem. Indeed, most of the Republican field should probably hope this issue goes away quickly:
 
* Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R): Though he called Clinton’s use of a private email address an “outrage,” Walker is at the center of a Wisconsin controversy surrounding his use of a private email address.
 
* Florida Sen. Marco Rubio (R): The Republican lawmaker deleted emails from his private account during his tenure in state government, despite using his personal account to conduct business related to his official duties.
 
* New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R): The Bergen Record reported this week, “Nearly a year before revelations that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used her personal email account for official business, the Christie administration was chastised because members of its own staff communicated through private emails. And that criticism came not from Governor Christie’s political foes, but from lawyers hired by his team to investigate the burgeoning George Washington Bridge lane-closing scandal.”
 
* Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R): Both Republican governors conducted official business from their private email accounts and have not released the emails for public scrutiny.
 
Just to be clear about this, I’m not suggesting the Clinton story is irrelevant. On the contrary, legitimate questions have been raised that deserve answers. What’s more, there are some differences between the Clinton story and the circumstances surrounding her Republican critics, most notably the fact that they seemed to operate two email accounts – one governmental, one private – while the former Secretary of State used one.
 
But the hypocrisy matters, too. Some of the same Clinton critics reaching for the fainting couch because the public won’t see messages she deemed private also conducted official business from their private accounts in emails that will receive no public scrutiny at all.
 
For that matter, the Clinton “scandal” seems oddly detached from the fact that (a) the Bush/Cheney White House lost millions of important emails, and the Beltway media largely ignored the story; (b) Mitt Romney went to hilarious lengths to hide his public emails from scrutiny in the last presidential campaign, and the Beltway media largely ignored the story; and (c) previous Secretaries of State sent and received emails that the public has never seen, and will never see, and no one seems to find that particularly controversial.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-republicans-who-did-exactly-what-hillary-did (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-republicans-who-did-exactly-what-hillary-did)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 14, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Nice to see the Liberals sticking together with the theme... 

Hey it's okay  - someone else did it...
   ;D


It's the new party line...   

So because Nixon or his cronies deleted a few minutes of tape
They think it's Okay for Lois Lerner and the IRS to delete a few years of e-mails  ;D

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 14, 2015, 11:50:05 AM
But the big difference is how many scandals were they involved in like Hillary is.  But what difference does that make anyway.
Kind of strange that there isn't one email from Hillary during the Benghazi raid.  There was even video of her using the blackberry. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 14, 2015, 12:12:44 PM
Nice to see the Liberals sticking together with the theme... 

Hey it's okay  - someone else did it...
   ;D


It's the new party line...   

So because Nixon or his cronies deleted a few minutes of tape
They think it's Okay for Lois Lerner and the IRS to delete a few years of e-mails  ;D

Wow, troll boy NOT professor likes to make up what other people think like the tea bagger republicans do.  Not a surprise there.

YOU and the tea nuts claim it is a big deal because it is Clinton.  You ignore that others did.  See, if it really was a big deal why didn’t you and yours fix it when Bush had his white house using private email and 20 million emails were deleted? 

That isn’t me excusing Clinton, it is saying your idols were wrong as well and started the mess.

All government should be using government servers only and not have the ability to delete ever.  But, according to you and the nuts it is just Clinton because you are so terrified of her running.


If there is a “party line” it isa what Faux told you to say, which it Clinton is bad bad bad for it and your idols were just fine doing the same thing because they would never be disgusting and devious and delete emails, not even 20 million of them.

So, you keep crowing that it is only Clinton (Oh, now making up that Lerner crashed her computer on purpose somehow?)  I can’t believe that you became the biggest troll MT has.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 14, 2015, 12:15:08 PM
But the big difference is how many scandals were they involved in like Hillary is.  But what difference does that make anyway.
Kind of strange that there isn't one email from Hillary during the Benghazi raid.  There was even video of her using the blackberry.

Oh, my tea bagger is so right.  Heck the Bush white house didn't use a private server that deleted 20 million emails to hide from multiple legal investigation that they conveniently avoided because they destroyed the evidence.  Why are your Republican idols good for doing stuff and then when  a D does it you bleat what Faux tells you to.  Oh, I guess i answered that question.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 14, 2015, 12:16:51 PM
Words of wisdom from the venerable fuksoup.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 14, 2015, 12:39:47 PM
Its good that the Liberals start practicing at defending stupid things that Hillary does.

They will need to do it a bunch in the future if she stays in this race.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 14, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
Imagine my surprise when I found a HUGE error in a Maddow post   ;D

Quote
Barbara Petersen, president of the First Amendment Foundation, told the WSJ that Jeb Bush “did exactly what Hillary did.” The former governor and his aides “went through those emails and decided what were public-record emails and what wasn’t.”
 
By some accounts, the messages Team Bush chose not to share related to “politics” and “campaign donors asking for favors” – topics that may be relevant in a presidential campaign.
[url]http://www[/url] ([url]http://www[/url]).msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-republicans-who-did-exactly-what-hillary-did


Is Huffington Post a good enough reference for ya Duck?
You think that no one ever reads anything but Fox - and yet your MSNBC fools are spewing the errors   ;)

=========================================
Among the many thousands of emails Jeb Bush received as Florida governor are a string of notes from campaign donors asking favors and making suggestions.

Invariably, Bush responded quickly. Sometimes, he appointed a person a donor had recommended for a position. Other times, he rejected advice about a piece of legislation.


It's an insight into Bush's work as governor that's possible only because his emails are open for review, something not yet available for those sent and received by Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state. Like Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, Bush used a personal email address and private server. But, positioning himself as a transparent candidate if he runs for the Republican nomination, he has posted online more than 275,000 emails from his two terms in office.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/jeb-bushs-emails-detail-_n_6858926.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/jeb-bushs-emails-detail-_n_6858926.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 14, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
The State Department employees turned over 61,156 of 1,000,000,000 emails so Hillary's defense would be a valid defense for 0.006 % of emails.

It will be interesting to see if Hillary signed Form OF-109 (STATE-USIA SEPARATION STATEMENT) when she left in 2013 that she already turned over all documents:

http://www.gsa.gov/portal/getFormFormatPortalData.action;jsessionid=DD357158FA2307974CF18F99E8D45E18.fourteen?mediaId=29929 (http://www.gsa.gov/portal/getFormFormatPortalData.action;jsessionid=DD357158FA2307974CF18F99E8D45E18.fourteen?mediaId=29929)


Report raises questions about Hillary's email defense

Clinton's claim that email with other State Department accounts was archived may not hold up.

A report released Wednesday by the State Department’s internal watchdog raises questions about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s claim that a large proportion of her emails were formally archived because they involved State employees using official email.

The State Department Inspector General review highlights that State staffers using an email system known as SMART did not have their emails automatically saved for federal record keeping purposes. Staffers using that system had to formally designate individual emails for archiving and rarely did so, the watchdog found.

In 2011, “Department employees created 61,156 record emails out of more than a billion emails sent,” the report says. In 2013, even fewer emails — 41,749 — were designated for preservation.

At a news conference Tuesday, the likely presidential candidate argued that her decision to use a personal email account “for convenience” did not interfere with the department’s ability to retrieve those messages in response to Freedom of Information Act requests or for the historical record.

“The vast majority of my work emails went to government employees at their government addresses, which meant they were captured and preserved immediately on the system at the State Department,” Clinton said Tuesday.

Transparency advocates said the report undermines the former secretary’s assertion.

“Her justification around FOIA requests and around preservation became that most of the documents were cc’d or sent to .gov or state.gov addresses used by employees and therefore were preserved and accessible to requests, ” said John Wonderlich of the Sunlight Foundation. “This [report] suggests that is not reliable at all.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-email-state-internal-watchdog-report-115993.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-email-state-internal-watchdog-report-115993.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on March 15, 2015, 12:16:40 AM
Imagine my surprise when I found a HUGE error in a Maddow post   ;D

Is Huffington Post a good enough reference for ya Duck?
You think that no one ever reads anything but Fox - and yet your MSNBC fools are spewing the errors   ;)

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Among the many thousands of emails Jeb Bush received as Florida governor are a string of notes from campaign donors asking favors and making suggestions.

Invariably, Bush responded quickly. Sometimes, he appointed a person a donor had recommended for a position. Other times, he rejected advice about a piece of legislation.


It's an insight into Bush's work as governor that's possible only because his emails are open for review, something not yet available for those sent and received by Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state. Like Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, Bush used a personal email address and private server. But, positioning himself as a transparent candidate if he runs for the Republican nomination, he has posted online more than 275,000 emails from his two terms in office.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/jeb-bushs-emails-detail-_n_6858926.html[/url] ([url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/jeb-bushs-emails-detail-_n_6858926.html[/url])
LOL...it wasn't an error.
You just neglected to read past the third paragraph of your link:

Last month, Bush put the emails he said were related to his work in state government on a website, a move he and his aides said was designed to show his administration was open and in touch with constituents.
(In other words...he chose which of the emails that he would make available.)

Bush was required by Florida's notably strong public records law to provide the state with all correspondence related to state government after he left office, and those emails were publicly available before Bush created his website.

Like Clinton, Bush decided which messages were considered personal and not subject to disclosure. In 2007, he said he had received and sent about 550,000 emails via his personal address, meaning a significant number remain private.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/jeb-bushs-emails-detail-_n_6858926.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/jeb-bushs-emails-detail-_n_6858926.html)


And another thing, the way I understand it...the State Department has to review the emails of Hillary before releasing them to the public...something about national security.



Nice to see the Liberals sticking together with the theme... 

Hey it's okay  - someone else did it...   ;D


It's the new party line...   

So because Nixon or his cronies deleted a few minutes of tape
They think it's Okay for Lois Lerner and the IRS to delete a few years of e-mails  ;D
That's not what the article that preceded yours said.
It said:
I’m not suggesting the Clinton story is irrelevant. On the contrary, legitimate questions have been raised that deserve answers.

And:
But the hypocrisy matters, too. Some of the same Clinton critics reaching for the fainting couch because the public won’t see messages she deemed private also conducted official business from their private accounts in emails that will receive no public scrutiny at all.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 15, 2015, 09:10:22 AM
LOL...it wasn't an error.
You just neglected to read past the third paragraph of your link:

Last month, Bush put the emails he said were related to his work in state government on a website, a move he and his aides said was designed to show his administration was open and in touch with constituents.
(In other words...he chose which of the emails that he would make available.)

Bush was required by Florida's notably strong public records law to provide the state with all correspondence related to state government after he left office, and those emails were publicly available before Bush created his website.

Like Clinton, Bush decided which messages were considered personal and not subject to disclosure. In 2007, he said he had received and sent about 550,000 emails via his personal address, meaning a significant number remain private.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/jeb-bushs-emails-detail-_n_6858926.html[/url] ([url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/jeb-bushs-emails-detail-_n_6858926.html[/url])


And another thing, the way I understand it...the State Department has to review the emails of Hillary before releasing them to the public...something about national security.


That's not what the article that preceded yours said.
It said:
I’m not suggesting the Clinton story is irrelevant. On the contrary, legitimate questions have been raised that deserve answers.

And:
But the hypocrisy matters, too. Some of the same Clinton critics reaching for the fainting couch because the public won’t see messages she deemed private also conducted official business from their private accounts in emails that will receive no public scrutiny at all.

Nice try to cover for your hero Maddow...

Except that Bush actually did publish personal emails like donor requests and such that Hillary has decided were not "important"... or anything to do with the Office she held.

BTW where is that form she filled out when she left?

Also,  if she didn't as she stated - have any classified information in her emails - why would they need to be screened for national security?

Excuses - for the mishandling and deceptive practices of the Democrat Party's "Leader" in waiting...   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 15, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
Come on Prof....

The Clintons are above the laws.

Everyone knows that.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on March 15, 2015, 07:03:30 PM
Nice try to cover for your hero Maddow...

Except that Bush actually did publish personal emails like donor requests and such that Hillary has decided were not "important"... or anything to do with the Office she held.

BTW where is that form she filled out when she left?

Also,  if she didn't as she stated - have any classified information in her emails - why would they need to be screened for national security?

Excuses - for the mishandling and deceptive practices of the Democrat Party's "Leader" in waiting...   
Funny to hear you constantly complain about following party when it's actually you that's been the sheep. Like I said before, I don't like Hillary...but I don't like Bush either...and the truth matters more than anything.

Jeb Bush has been a harsh critic of Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email account during her time as secretary of state. But the former Florida governor took seven years to release all his email to comply with Florida’s public records statute. “Mr. Bush delivered the latest batch of 25,000 emails in May 2014, seven and a half years after leaving the Statehouse and just as he started to contemplate a potential run for the White House,” reports the New York Times. The state’s statute requires officials to release documents relating to their time in office at the end of the term. “If they’ve been adding to it, it’s a technical violation of the law,” said Barbara A. Petersen, president of the First Amendment Foundation.

Bush’s office began releasing emails starting in 2007, making new sets of communications public in 2009, 2010, and 2011. “But in 2014, they discovered a new set of 25,000 emails, which represents about 9 percent of the 280,000 emails that he has turned over to the state from his private account,” reports the Times.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/03/14/jeb_bush_took_seven_years_to_release_emails.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/03/14/jeb_bush_took_seven_years_to_release_emails.html)

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Jeb Bush pounces on Hillary Clinton’s e-mail woes — but he’s not perfect either

Presumptive GOP presidential candidate Jeb Bush pounced late Monday after news reports revealed that Hillary Rodham Clinton had used a private e-mail account as secretary of state and didn't routinely turned over her correspondence for government records collection.

"Transparency matters," Bush wrote on Twitter just hours after the news broke. His message said that Clinton's "emails should be released" and he added a link to his own Web site, www.JebBushEmails.com (http://www.JebBushEmails.com).

As governor, he used his personal e-mail address, jeb@jeb.org, to conduct official, political and personal business, but the Web site only archives messages related to official business. There are no messages about Bush's reelection campaign, about his fundraising for the Republican Party of Florida or about political trips outside the state for GOP candidates. There are no messages between Bush and his brother, former president George W. Bush, or his father and mother, or his wife, Columba, and their children.

And aides say there never will be.

"Gov. Bush does not have a plan to release his personal e-mails not related to state business, like where he was planning to have dinner or when his tee times were," spokeswoman Kristy Campbell said on Tuesday. She said Bush fully complied with Florida's open record laws and has handed over all official correspondence to state officials.
<snip>
Bush was aware from the start that e-mails would become public records under Florida's expansive sunshine laws. Writing to several aides on Dec. 1, 1999, Bush moved to conclude a stream of e-mails about vacation time allotted for the governor’s staff, writing that they “might make a newspaper one of these days.” He added, “I suggest that you guys have a verbal conversation about it rather than create a public document. :)”

Bush's record on transparency as Florida governor was decidedly mixed, said Barbara Petersen, president of the Florida First Amendment Foundation, a watchdog organization that pushes for enforcement of the state's open-records laws.

"He actually violated the Constitution on day one," Petersen told The Washington Post in December, citing Florida's guaranteed "right of access" to official records and meetings.
More here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/03/03/jeb-bush-pounces-on-hillary-clintons-e-mail-woes-but-hes-not-perfect-either/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/03/03/jeb-bush-pounces-on-hillary-clintons-e-mail-woes-but-hes-not-perfect-either/)
Title: Jeb Bush Used Private Email To Discuss Security Issues, Review Finds
Post by: Frenchfry on March 15, 2015, 07:04:46 PM
Jeb Bush Used Private Email To Discuss Security Issues, Review Finds

Days after former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush criticized Hillary Clinton for using a personal email account to discuss official business as secretary of state, citing national security risks, the Washington Post found Bush used his private email account during his gubernatorial term to discuss some national security issues, including National Guard troop deployments. A Washington Post review of about 280,000 emails Bush released from his private email account, jeb@jeb.org, found the former governor used that account in two exchanges to stay briefed on Florida National Guard troop plans after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Later that year, he also used the account to discuss National Guard security plans for a nuclear power plant in Crystal River, Florida.

Bush aides told the Post the content of those emails was not sensitive, and many of the issues discussed were already publicly known at the time. They also said the emails were secure because the server was at the governor’s office in Tallahassee at the time.

Bush, who is actively exploring a presidential run in 2016, last month published a trove of emails sent during his time as governor of Florida (1999-2007). The emails had already been released to the Florida state archives, in accordance with state law that required him to turn over emails pertaining to official business. But the New York Times reported Bush turned over the final batch of 25,000 emails from that account as recently as May 2014, seven years after leaving office.

Last week Bush criticized Clinton, widely seen as the likely Democratic presidential candidate for 2016, for using a personal email instead of a government one during her time as secretary of state. In an interview with Radio Iowa March 6, he called Clinton’s email usage “baffling.” Clinton has since requested the State Department to release the communications. State Department officials have said they must undertake a review for security purposes that could take several months before they are able to release the files.
http://www.ibtimes.com/jeb-bush-used-private-email-discuss-security-issues-review-finds-1847388 (http://www.ibtimes.com/jeb-bush-used-private-email-discuss-security-issues-review-finds-1847388)
Title: Jeb Bush used e-mail to discuss security, troop deployments
Post by: Frenchfry on March 15, 2015, 07:06:44 PM
Jeb Bush used his private e-mail account as Florida governor to discuss security and military issues such as troop deployments to the Middle East and the protection of nuclear plants, according to a review of publicly released records.

The e-mails include two series of exchanges involving details of Florida National Guard troop deployments after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the review by The Washington Post found.

Aides to Bush said Saturday that none of the e-mails contained sensitive or classified information, and that many of the events mentioned in them were documented in press accounts, either contemporaneously or later. But security experts say private e-mail systems such as the one used by Bush are more vulnerable to hackers, and that details such as troop movements could be exploited by enemies.

Bush is actively considering a run for president and has sharply criticized likely Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton for her use of a private e-mail account when she served as secretary of state. He called it “baffling” that Clinton didn’t consider the potential security risks of discussing diplomatic and national security issues by using an e-mail account not tied to a government server. An unknown number of the e-mails housed on Bush’s server were redacted or withheld from public release because they contained sensitive security issues, Bush representatives have said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-governor-jeb-bush-used-e-mail-to-discuss-security-troop-movements/2015/03/14/0d7fae16-ca49-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-governor-jeb-bush-used-e-mail-to-discuss-security-troop-movements/2015/03/14/0d7fae16-ca49-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on March 15, 2015, 07:08:22 PM
"(Jeb) Bush, not the State of Florida, decided which private emails to disclose."
— American Bridge 21st Century on Wednesday, March 4th, 2015 in an online post

(http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-mostlytrue.gif)
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/mar/13/american-bridge-21st-century/liberal-pac-says-jeb-bush-edited-his-own-emails/ (http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/mar/13/american-bridge-21st-century/liberal-pac-says-jeb-bush-edited-his-own-emails/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 16, 2015, 12:07:46 AM
I don't recall Bush saying to the public - I never conducted classified work on my private email...

And you'll note that his e-mails were turned over in timely fashion over his tenure- not waiting until the end like Hillary.

But don't let facts get in the way of a ...   "everyone does it"  argument.   

BTW where's that official letter she signed upon leaving the State Department...  ?

And why if she didn't conduct official classified business does it need to be redacted by the Feds?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on March 16, 2015, 01:13:02 AM
I don't recall Bush saying to the public - I never conducted classified work on my private email...

And you'll note that his e-mails were turned over in timely fashion over his tenure- not waiting until the end like Hillary.

But don't let facts get in the way of a ...   "everyone does it"  argument.   

BTW where's that official letter she signed upon leaving the State Department...  ?

And why if she didn't conduct official classified business does it need to be redacted by the Feds?
LOL...all the facts presented prove otherwise but there you are...eyes covered...with your fingers in your ears.

Simply incredible. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 16, 2015, 07:06:25 AM
LOL...all the facts presented prove otherwise but there you are...eyes covered...with your fingers in your ears.

Simply incredible. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

Oh you mean like
Quote
Bush’s office began releasing emails starting in 2007, making new sets of communications public in 2009, 2010, and 2011. “But in 2014, they discovered a new set of 25,000 emails, which represents about 9 percent of the 280,000 emails that he has turned over to the state from his private account,” reports the Times.

Quote
Among the many thousands of emails Jeb Bush received as Florida governor are a string of notes from campaign donors asking favors and making suggestions.

Invariably, Bush responded quickly. Sometimes, he appointed a person a donor had recommended for a position. Other times, he rejected advice about a piece of legislation.

It's an insight into Bush's work as governor that's possible only because his emails are open for review, something not yet available for those sent and received by Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state.

But I'm sure it's hard to see the difference - as Hillary has released none to compare  ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: John Kopke on March 16, 2015, 08:23:56 PM
Did Hillary sign the form stating she had turned over government related emails etc. when she exited the State Department?
Nobody has an answer. Hillary won't answer, the State Department won't answer, and the White House won't answer. So much
for the self proclaimed most transparent administration in history. Did the dog eat the form? Did they lose it? Come on!

This isn't the only instance, but why is it like pulling teeth to get information from government that the people deserve to know?
Well I'll give you the answer. It's bad news and the government folks wouldn't look good. Period. And how do they get away with
it? Because the people let them. Period.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 19, 2015, 02:31:51 PM
Quote
because she is a control freak. By keeping all emails on a personal account on a server in her possession, she was not only evading FOIA requests, but assuring that any subpoena for her emails would have to be submitted to her directly (not to a private ISP like Google or to the State Department).

Having spent years of her professional life embroiled, directly or indirectly, in politically-driven investigations (Whitewater, Travelgate, Monica, Bengazi, etc.), she knows the importance of being in physical control of the evidence. But in failing to copy her emails to a dot-gov address when she was Secretary of State, she took her penchant for control a step too far.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-scheer/why-hillary-is-kneedeep-i_b_6898140.html[/url] ([url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-scheer/why-hillary-is-kneedeep-i_b_6898140.html[/url])


So was she a control freak - or just dumb - thinking that others would be doing what she should have been? 

I'm still not sure why subpoena's haven't been issued for hers - and to appease others - Bush's emails...   to comb through.

That is one sure fire way to make sure people in the future don't conduct business on their private emails...  if they knew all would be exposed.   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 19, 2015, 02:39:18 PM
Did Hillary sign the form stating she had turned over government related emails etc. when she exited the State Department?
Nobody has an answer. Hillary won't answer, the State Department won't answer
, and the White House won't answer. So much
for the self proclaimed most transparent administration in history. Did the dog eat the form? Did they lose it? Come on!

This isn't the only instance, but why is it like pulling teeth to get information from government that the people deserve to know?
Well I'll give you the answer. It's bad news and the government folks wouldn't look good. Period. And how do they get away with
it? Because the people let them. Period.


Well it's apparent now she didn't sign it -

Here's the "Party" spin on the why... apparently their security clearance is reliant on not signing  8*   Sounds more like an excuse - or some people feel they are above the law or indispensable.   

I highly doubt that Secretary of State after they retire requires security clearance and couldn't get it back if they signed a paper that they released all their documents when they left office....  ;D
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State spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.

Psaki also provided a new explanation Wednesday for why Clinton and some of her predecessors apparently did not complete a standard State Department “separation statement” certifying that they had returned all of their official records to the agency.

“Secretaries of state often do not sign this form as it is a step to revoking their own security clearance,” the State spokeswoman said. “There’s a long tradition of secretaries of state making themselves available to future secretaries and presidents and secretaries are typically allowed to maintain their security clearance and access to their own records for use in writing their memoirs and the like. Hence, this is not a form that many would have signed.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-email-national-archive-116185.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-email-national-archive-116185.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 21, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/d5484e1/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F25%2F84%2Fad71d4e54e01946ae3ee276b92dc%2Fthumb-2.jpg)

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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 21, 2015, 09:52:49 PM

([url]http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/d9aec33/2147483647/resize/534x/format/png/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F72%2F97%2F113ea3934111864a21809a9d068e%2F20150319edloc-a.tif[/url])


I don't think so.  I believe it will keep getting worse as Hillary stonewalls.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on March 21, 2015, 09:56:42 PM
Again, I refer you to Barack Obama.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 22, 2015, 11:49:35 AM
The most secretive woman in the world... 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvHGDSCvi00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvHGDSCvi00#)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 23, 2015, 03:27:15 PM



DC Matic: The Hillary-Approved Email Server! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlWo05vlKkM#)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 24, 2015, 09:25:44 AM

Quote
State Department Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations Huma Abedin (right) was one of her closest aides, and emailed Clinton in a conversation where both women used personal accounts
THE ADDRESS: Abedin had an email address on the former secretary of state's private server


Go Figure - another State Department employee and Hillary's Chief of Staff - just happened to have a private e-mail on her server  :o

I'm sure they never talked business - however

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Emails Hillary Clinton turned over to a House committee investigating the 2012 attack on a U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya, show her aides sometimes used their personal email accounts to communicate with her through her own private account.
Clinton said during a March 10 press conference that 'the vast majority of my work emails went to government employees at their government addresses.'
That, she claimed then, 'meant they were captured and preserved immediately on the system at the State Department' for archiving, where they would turn up in searches conducted in response to Freedom of Information Act requests.
But The New York Times reported on Monday that some of the approximately 300 Clinton emails examined by a congressional committee suggest otherwise.

LOST TO HISTORY? Former State Department Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations Huma Abedin (right) was one of her closest aides, and emailed Clinton in a conversation where both women used personal accounts
THE ADDRESS: Abedin had an email address on the former secretary of state's private server, judging from records maintained by Lexis-Nexis

The emails from Clinton, a presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, do not prove the former secretary of state ordered a 'stand down,' stopping U.S. forces from responding to the Benghazi attack or participated in a related cover-up, the newspaper reported, citing four senior government officials.
But they do raise new questions about how much of Clinton's correspondence has been lost to history. Federal record retention laws are designed to prevent the kind of archive side-stepping Clinton is accused of carrying on for the four years she led the State Department.
Congress subpoenaed email records last week from 'close to a dozen' people who worked for Hillary Clinton at State.
The Times report is the latest revelation in the saga over Clinton and her use of a personal email address to conduct government business, as well as a private computer server to store that correspondence.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007646/Clinton-aides-used-personal-emails-communicate-NYT.html#ixzz3VJDI3bHM (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007646/Clinton-aides-used-personal-emails-communicate-NYT.html#ixzz3VJDI3bHM)
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 24, 2015, 12:00:41 PM
Go Figure - another State Department employee and Hillary's Chief of Staff - just happened to have a private e-mail on her server  :o

I don't believe it.  This would mean that Hillary was lying when she said that she sent her emails to government email accounts that were auto-archived.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on March 24, 2015, 12:12:51 PM

This just proves the strength of the Clinton name, or the lack of depth of the Democratic party.

While many people are eliminated from running for office because they accidentally farted at the wrong time, Hillary is still being considered and worried about, even after numerous scandals that reflect negatively on her lack of integrity and ability.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 24, 2015, 05:27:32 PM
The dems are hanging onto Hillary because they don't have anyone else
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 24, 2015, 07:52:08 PM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/12_16159120150322113826.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 27, 2015, 08:07:19 AM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/150320emailRGB20150323061552.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 27, 2015, 09:31:13 PM
Quote
"We learned today, from her attorney, Secretary Clinton unilaterally decided to wipe her server clean and permanently delete all emails from her personal server," Gowdy, chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, said in a statement.


From the IRS/Lerner playbook...    Destroy Delete wipe clean
 
It doesn't seem to matter to top Law Enforcement  8*
Nor the Democrats - but then again they only take orders and follow faithfully blindly

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WASHINGTON, March 27 (Reuters) - The Republican chairman of a U.S. House of Representatives committee investigating the 2012 Benghazi attacks said on Friday that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had failed to respond to the panel's subpoena for documents in the case.

Representative Trey Gowdy said Clinton had not provided a single new document and had wiped clean a server she used for emails while she was the top U.S. diplomat.

"We learned today, from her attorney, Secretary Clinton unilaterally decided to wipe her server clean and permanently delete all emails from her personal server," Gowdy, chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, said in a statement.


He said the committee will seek to speak to Clinton, the presumed front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, about the emails and the server.

Clinton, who used a private email address, has said she has already given copies of all her work-related emails to the State Department.

The State Department has said it has already given Gowdy's committee all the relevant emails from that cache, some 300 in all, about the attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya.

Members of Gowdy's committee say they need to see all of Clinton's emails, including those she did not give to the State Department, to be sure of this.

But the top Democrat on the committee, Representative Elijah Cummings, said the letter the panel received from Clinton's lawyer confirmed that Clinton had turned over all relevant emails.

"It is time for the Committee to stop this political charade and instead make these documents public and schedule Secretary Clinton's public testimony now," Cummings said in a statement. (Reporting by Eric Beech; Editing by Will Dunham and Ken Wills)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/trey-gowdy-clinton-email-server_n_6958872.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/trey-gowdy-clinton-email-server_n_6958872.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 27, 2015, 11:01:34 PM
I'm shocked Hitlerly wiped her email server. 
You don't think that was the plan all along.   She wanted total control because she knows she's crooked.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 28, 2015, 11:07:42 AM

Hillary's homebrew email server has served its purpose.    I am sure that it has likely put through a wood chipper by now.  I doubt Hillary's famous document shredder could handle this server's multiple hard drives.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 28, 2015, 11:12:35 AM
Interesting once again.  I don;t liek any person in government using anything but government servers and without the ability to delete.  I didn't like it back when the whole Bush White House did it.  Remember the 20 million deleted emails on their private server.  Oh, yeah but I can recall zero republicans ranting that one , especially not day after day after day.  Seems they all defended it. 

But, now that would be hypocritical and excelsior says I can't call a fact a fact.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 28, 2015, 11:26:03 AM
I'm shocked Hitlerly wiped her email server.  
You don't think that was the plan all along.   She wanted total control because she knows she's crooked.

I'm not.  Just enforces the premise she's a typical crooked politician....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 28, 2015, 11:35:41 AM
I'm not.  Just enforces the premise she's a typical crooked politician....

Wait flipper flopper, you were for sure here during the Bush using private servers for all white house email and deleting 20 million emails.  I remember you saying NOTHING other than defending.  But then that is why you use flipper flopper huh?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 28, 2015, 12:10:05 PM
We're talking about democrats covering up illegal activities.   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 28, 2015, 01:25:46 PM
Wait flipper flopper, you were for sure here during the Bush using private servers for all white house email and deleting 20 million emails.  I remember you saying NOTHING other than defending.  But then that is why you use flipper flopper huh?
Find that topic...   I doubt it was an issue on here - but if someone raised it - it would be interesting to read the views of the people then.   

Meanwhile - since Hillary has wiped her hard drives -  and Lois Lerner and the IRS have been stonewalling - the top law officials seem to not care...

Don't you think the government rules that came "out of the Bush" emails  were changed to prevent that from occurring in the future?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 28, 2015, 01:51:12 PM
We're talking about democrats covering up illegal activities.
Ohhh yeah I forgot you are all good when Republicans break the law.  Sorry for interrupting your lies.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 28, 2015, 01:52:47 PM
Find that topic...   I doubt it was an issue on here - but if someone raised it - it would be interesting to read the views of the people then.   

Meanwhile - since Hillary has wiped her hard drives -  and Lois Lerner and the IRS have been stonewalling - the top law officials seem to not care...

Don't you think the government rules that came "out of the Bush" emails  were changed to prevent that from occurring in the future?

Do your own work if you wat.  And yes it was a topic.  Your buddies defending the republicans of course.

But, apparently the new MT tea bagger rule is it is only wrong when Democrats do the same thing.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on March 28, 2015, 02:01:38 PM
I'm not "good' with either of them breaking (Democrat or Republican) the law, but I do know 2 wrongs don't make a right, nor does another 5 to 5000.  Bottom line.....what Hillary did was absolutely wrong, and she openly defied the rules of government servants to use only government servers.  My wife works for the DOJ and said the first rule discussed in her training was that doing anything other was a direct violation of working terms and would result in termination.

What she did stinks, was blatantly wrong and a violation of government policy, and I hope it ruins her politically forever!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 28, 2015, 02:02:23 PM
Waiting for the list of illegal activities from the Bush presidency.
No Whitewaters
No Walinskys
No Bengahzi
No email scandals
No IRS scandals.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 28, 2015, 02:11:54 PM
Waiting for the list of illegal activities from the Bush presidency.
No Whitewaters
No Walinskys
No Bengahzi
No email scandals
No IRS scandals.

You forget it is all Bush's fault.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 28, 2015, 04:31:54 PM
I'm not "good' with either of them breaking (Democrat or Republican) the law, but I do know 2 wrongs don't make a right, nor does another 5 to 5000.  Bottom line.....what Hillary did was absolutely wrong, and she openly defied the rules of government servants to use only government servers.  My wife works for the DOJ and said the first rule discussed in her training was that doing anything other was a direct violation of working terms and would result in termination.

What she did stinks, was blatantly wrong and a violation of government policy, and I hope it ruins her politically forever!

From what I have read, it wasn't illegal for her or any other Sec for State.  It became illegal with Kerry.

I did not like it when Bush and his whole white house did it and dissipated 20 million emails to hide crimes.  I wanted the law changed so everyone had to use government email and not be able to delete.  Republicans defended it then instead of changing the law and NOW they care because it is someone else forgetting they should have changed the law back then.  Just to be clear, I don't like that Clinton did any more than what Bush and his white house did, the difference is republicans good then bad now.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 28, 2015, 04:32:23 PM
Waiting for the list of illegal activities from the Bush presidency.
No Whitewaters
No Walinskys
No Bengahzi
No email scandals
No IRS scandals.
Made up conspiracy theories to the right...
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on March 29, 2015, 09:04:08 AM
From what I have read, it wasn't illegal for her or any other Sec for State.  It became illegal with Kerry.


Please cite a source......I've never seen that, and it is in the indoctrination training in at least the DOJ for new govenment employees for at least 5 years now.  I think you are incorrect on this one Duck.

Quote
I did not like it when Bush and his whole white house did it and dissipated 20 million emails to hide crimes.  I wanted the law changed so everyone had to use government email and not be able to delete.  Republicans defended it then instead of changing the law and NOW they care because it is someone else forgetting they should have changed the law back then.  Just to be clear, I don't like that Clinton did any more than what Bush and his white house did, the difference is republicans good then bad now.

I could care less about what happened in the past by either party......again, 2 to 530 wrongs don't make a right.  I didn't support it with the Bush Administration, and I don't support it under this divisive administration!  I'd rather see the argument centered and focused on the fix versus trying to justify it by the acts of one party or the other.....very short sighted, and counter productive to the ultimate remedy for the problem.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 29, 2015, 09:49:13 AM
It's kind of like the do as I say - not as I do?  

Clinton in charge of the State Department had to enforce this - and was also directed by the President... 

Everyone else when they leave their position has to sign a document they are turning over all documents... 

for the political elite -  it could be hard to comprehend what the sunshine laws are there for... 

She did it purposely - after the subpoena's and requests were made.
which can only mean one thing in the common sense world...
She had stuff to hide!

Kind of like Lois Lerner pleading the 5th long before we knew of her doing the same thing...

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on March 29, 2015, 09:54:35 AM
Oh, but what difference does it make?  Bush and his cronnies did it, so that means Hillary can do it.


Right, Duck?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on March 29, 2015, 09:58:12 AM
It's kind of like the do as I say - not as I do?  

Clinton in charge of the State Department had to enforce this - and was also directed by the President... 

Everyone else when they leave their position has to sign a document they are turning over all documents... 

for the political elite -  it could be hard to comprehend what the sunshine laws are there for... 

She did it purposely - after the subpoena's and requests were made.
which can only mean one thing in the common sense world...
She had stuff to hide!

Kind of like Lois Lerner pleading the 5th long before we knew of her doing the same thing...



......And, this will continue to happen (regardless of political affiliation) until the law/regulation is prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.  We have elected and appointed officials in this country on both sides of the table who think they are exempt from prosecution for wrong doings.  Doesn't matter who did what before.....fix the problem.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 29, 2015, 10:04:34 AM
Polling shows the issue is weakening the resolve of the "Independent" leaning Democrats... 
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The polling showed that nearly half of Democratic respondents - 46 percent - agreed there should be an independent review of all of Clinton's emails to ensure she turned over everything that is work-related.


will be interesting to see what the polls show - now the public knows that Hillary has destroyed all evidence - intentionally.

========================================
Democrats' support is softening for Hillary Clinton, their party's presumed 2016 presidential front-runner, with many favoring an independent review of her personal email use when she was secretary of state.

Support for Clinton's candidacy has dropped about 15 percentage points since mid-February among Democrats, with as few as 45 percent saying they would support her in the last week, according to a Reuters/Ipsos tracking poll. Support from Democrats likely to vote in the party nominating contests has dropped only slightly less, to a low in the mid-50s over the same period.

Even Democrats who said they were not personally swayed one way or another by the email flap said that Clinton could fare worse because of it, if and when she launches her presidential campaign, a separate Reuters/Ipsos poll showed.

The polling showed that nearly half of Democratic respondents - 46 percent - agreed there should be an independent review of all of Clinton's emails to ensure she turned over everything that is work-related.

There was also sizable support among Democrats for the Republican-controlled congressional committee's effort to require Clinton to testify about the emails. Forty-one percent said they backed its efforts to force Clinton's testimony.

"Bottom line is if she didn't do anything wrong, she's fine," said North Carolina resident Renetia Lowery, 48, a Democrat and survey respondent.

The online poll of 2,128 adults from March 10 to March 17 showed that Americans, including two-thirds of Democrats, were aware of the controversy surrounding Clinton's decision to use her personal email rather than a government account, along with a personal server, when she was the top U.S. diplomat from 2009 to 2013.

Clinton has tried to tamp down accusations that she used her personal email account to keep her records from public review, which would support an old political narrative that Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, are secretive and seek to play by a different set of rules.

HARMFUL POLITICALLY

More than a third of Democrats and 44 percent of political independents agreed that the email issue has hurt the former secretary of state politically.

Democratic strategist Ben LaBolt, a former spokesman for President Barack Obama's 2012 campaign, said that the email controversy has been a "galvanizing call for the Clinton campaign-in-waiting to build an organization," by hiring top political communicators who can defend her record. Clinton, who ran for the White House in 2008 and lost to Obama, is expected to announce as early as April that she plans to seek the White House in the November 2016 election.

Former congressional and Justice Department spokesman Brian Fallon, White House aide Jennifer Palmieri, and Jesse Ferguson, who has handled press for Democratic congressional campaigns, are expected to be among the communications experts joining Clinton's campaign. All three are respected in Democratic political circles.

Clinton told a packed room of reporters this month that she used her personal email for official business for the sake of convenience, because it was easier to carry only one device.

"I admire the fact that she has been so strong on a lot of different things, she stands up for what she believes in, but I do think the emails will hurt her, unfortunately," said Patricia Peacock, 49, of Lewiston, Maine, who took part in the survey.

Clinton's office said she has since turned over paper copies of more than 30,000 work emails last year at the State Department's request, but did not hand over about 32,000 that were private or personal records.

Among the emails turned over were 300 related to a 2012 attack on a U.S. consulate in Benghazi that led to the death of a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans, which were subsequently handed over to a Republican-led congressional committee investigating the incident.

The panel has subpoenaed Clinton's remaining emails and said they would like her to testify on the matter before April.

About half of Democrats said they thought Clinton was composed during the March 10 news conference, but 14 percent found her evasive and 17 percent said she avoided answering questions directly.

Survey respondent Tom Trevathan, 74, a retired math professor from Arkansas, said he was "less than happy" with Clinton's performance at the news conference.

"It reminds me of a history she has had not responding thoroughly to inquiries," Trevathan said. "If she would be more open about the situation, and show more leadership in saying what she did and why, I think it would be better."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/19/hillary-clinton-emails_n_6902540.html? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/19/hillary-clinton-emails_n_6902540.html?)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 29, 2015, 10:13:37 AM
Didn't Hillary work on Watergate - going after those tapes that Nixon thought were privileged?

I remember reading that her supervisor discharged her - saying she was unethical.

Kind of humorous that when she gets her tit in a ringer she does what Nixon should have done, but didn't do.  It turns out that Nixon had more ethics than the young, idealistic person going after him.

Good call by that supervisor - because sure enough - her lack of ethics is still an issue - as we see by her destroying evidence.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 10:17:25 AM
Oh, but what difference does it make?  Bush and his cronnies did it, so that means Hillary can do it.


Right, Duck?

Perhaps reading what I really said would prevent you from making up what you think that I think.  It is difficult to carry a discussion one sided because someone refused to hear what I said already and makes up partisan garbage instead.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 29, 2015, 10:23:54 AM
Perhaps reading what I really said would prevent you from making up what you think that I think.  It is difficult to carry a discussion one sided because someone refused to hear what I said already and makes up partisan garbage instead.

Quack Quack Quack.

Man this is getting old fast.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 10:24:49 AM
......And, this will continue to happen (regardless of political affiliation) until the law/regulation is prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.  We have elected and appointed officials in this country on both sides of the table who think they are exempt from prosecution for wrong doings.  Doesn't matter who did what before.....fix the problem.

It was changed as I understand with the beginning of Kerry.  That is my big problem here besides the hypocrisy.  I know I complained of it when Bush had his whole white house using private email.  I wanted it stopped with a law.  It did not happen, neither party wanted to stop it.  Why did they see such a big problem and choose to not fix it?  I don't know.  Does it help the discussion that a lot of the people here that don't like this time defended Bush and his white house.  So, I guess to a lot it is just partisan and they don't care about what is right.

I said before and I have no problem saying again.  I don't like either instance, both are wrong and sadly until 2014 both were legal.  I don't now what the penalties are tough, my bet not much.

But, it is only a partial fix as I see.  I don't think that deleting was stopped.  Bush deleted 20 million emails from his private servers.  I don't know what or how much Clinton did.  But, the sad thing is that they can delete on government servers.  So, that needs to stop.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 10:25:30 AM
Quack Quack Quack.

Man this is getting old fast.

Sweet I knew you would agree with my liberal position, thanks.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 29, 2015, 10:32:09 AM
Sweet I knew you would agree with my liberal position, thanks.

Take your meds or call the help line that Livewire suggested.

You need help.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on March 29, 2015, 10:33:25 AM
Quack Quack Quack.

Man this is getting old fast.

He's like the annoying little brother. If we ignore him, maybe he'll go away.   ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 29, 2015, 10:39:35 AM
He's like the annoying little brother. If we ignore him, maybe he'll go away.   ;D

I agree.

I am done with him again.

I don't know why I violate my no talking to morons and crazy people rule.  He seems to qualify on both. 

It doesn't do anyone a favor when I violate that rule.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 10:45:09 AM
Okay, I am working at playing nice and they are continuing to act like children.  Why is everyone silent about that?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on March 29, 2015, 10:50:45 AM
It was changed as I understand with the beginning of Kerry.  That is my big problem here besides the hypocrisy.  I know I complained of it when Bush had his whole white house using private email.  I wanted it stopped with a law.  It did not happen, neither party wanted to stop it.  Why did they see such a big problem and choose to not fix it?  I don't know.  Does it help the discussion that a lot of the people here that don't like this time defended Bush and his white house.  So, I guess to a lot it is just partisan and they don't care about what is right.

I said before and I have no problem saying again.  I don't like either instance, both are wrong and sadly until 2014 both were legal.  I don't now what the penalties are tough, my bet not much.

But, it is only a partial fix as I see.  I don't think that deleting was stopped.  Bush deleted 20 million emails from his private servers.  I don't know what or how much Clinton did.  But, the sad thing is that they can delete on government servers.  So, that needs to stop.

Beginning of Kerry.....as SOS?

If so I still think you are wrong on that DS.  Government servers are much more secure (except in the Snowden incident) and is why, and has been a mandate to conduct government business under them.  It makes perfect sense to me.

Again, I don't care who did what when and how many times by either of these self-serving party members....stop it now by making an example that this is not acceptable.  Government servers are meant to protect information from getting into the wrong hands....be it foriegn governments, or enemies at home.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 10:55:00 AM
Please cite a source......I've never seen that, and it is in the indoctrination training in at least the DOJ for new govenment employees for at least 5 years now.  I think you are incorrect on this one Duck.

I could care less about what happened in the past by either party......again, 2 to 530 wrongs don't make a right.  I didn't support it with the Bush Administration, and I don't support it under this divisive administration!  I'd rather see the argument centered and focused on the fix versus trying to justify it by the acts of one party or the other.....very short sighted, and counter productive to the ultimate remedy for the problem.

I am going out, but will try to remember to answer later. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 29, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
Okay, I am working at playing nice and they are continuing to act like children.  Why is everyone silent about that?
Give them a chance... it's hard to change all at once.

I'm hoping the civility will prevail - and they will join... 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 29, 2015, 11:18:06 AM
Give them a chance... it's hard to change all at once.

I'm hoping the civility will prevail - and they will join...

Civility will prevail.

Ignore is engaged.

 ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 11:25:46 AM
My whole thing with Hilliary using a private server/email address for her government correspondence is, what gives her the right in the first place.  Government mandate states that a government employee (I puesume thats elected/appointed officials as well) use government electronic communications devices.

What makes Clinton special and above the law?  I don't get it and I canbot see her as President with her attitude of...'Im better than everyone else'.  That don't play with me...at all, Republican or Democrat.

Far as I'm concerned she's an arrogant biatch and has no business in any public office, now or in the future.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 11:26:43 AM
BTW Duck, how was the early morning trip to the zoo?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 29, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
Well, if the republicans can't find someone even the republicans can vote for we'll be putting up with Hillary for at least 4 years.  I don't know if 4 years will be enough to satisfy her ego.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 11:51:54 AM
Well, if the republicans can't find someone even the republicans can vote for we'll be putting up with Hillary for at least 4 years.  I don't know if 4 years will be enough to satisfy her ego.

Again, and I've said it previously, I don't believe Hillary will get the Democratic nomonation.  She has too much baggage with more piling on every day.

Her stubborness and defiance is digging her a hole.  Without her party's approval, she'd have to run as an independent....  I don't see that happening and candidly, I don't believe this country could stand 4 years of Hillary, let alone one year or even one month.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on March 29, 2015, 11:53:36 AM
Well, if the republicans can't find someone even the republicans can vote for we'll be putting up with Hillary for at least 4 years.  I don't know if 4 years will be enough to satisfy her ego.

Prime time for a common sense Independent candidate then!  The 2 party system is broken, corrupt, and resulted in a dysfunctional form of government.

Again, and I've said it previously, I don't believe Hillary will get the Democratic nomonation.  She has too much baggage with more piling on every day.

Her stubborness and defiance is digging her a hole.  Without her party's approval, she'd have to run as an independent....  I don't see that happening

I agree......I think she may have cooked her own goose even inside of her Party.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 12:06:27 PM
I read somewhere, rambling the net, that her popularity rating among democrats is well below 45% and her rating concerning honesty is below 20% (in her party).

I cannot cite the source as I was just surfing the net but I thought that party line democrats have her number too.

She's pretty outright with her arrogance from what I see on the media.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on March 29, 2015, 12:12:27 PM
Yea, I saw it too......within her party is was below 50%, somewhere in the mid-40's range if I recall.  My guess, she is perceived as perhaps somewhat arrogant, above some laws and regulations, and quite honestly,,,,,,not a very good verbal communicator from what I have watched.

I think it is going to be a brutal party campaign.....anyone of them that truly have presidential aspirations is just going to jump on her with both feet.  Too controversial and about as aloof as any man (perhaps Richardville), or woman I've ever saw or heard speak.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 12:18:44 PM
At least Richardville's hair is not frightful.....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 12:22:38 PM
Yea, I saw it too......within her party is was below 50%, somewhere in the mid-40's range if I recall.  My guess, she is perceived as perhaps somewhat arrogant, above some laws and regulations, and quite honestly,,,,,,not a very good verbal communicator from what I have watched.

I think it is going to be a brutal party campaign.....anyone of them that truly have presidential aspirations is just going to jump on her with both feet.  Too controversial and about as aloof as any man (perhaps Richardville), or woman I've ever saw or heard speak.

I believe in her mind, she feels that she don't have to communicate her thoughts and ideals because thats 'below' her to do so.  She is (and always has been) a poor communicator.  I was suprised when Obama appointed her Secretary of State but then Obama has gotten to the point now where nothing suprises me with him.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 29, 2015, 12:38:21 PM
Hillary won't do well debates if they get nasty.  She can't think on her feet without mumbling something stupid.  But the media will do their best to protect her.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 12:51:09 PM
When it's prime time live, no amount of media postulating can help ignorance or arrogance....  If she makes it that far, which, I seriously doubt.  One toe-to-toe with Cruz or Walker and that will be the end of her.  Both of them are smart enough and well versed enough to lead her down the 'golden path' and then let her sink herself.

She's doing a good job of scuttling herself right now.

I don't think the 'party principals' will allow that to happen.

You have to wonder what George Soros' opinion of Hillary is....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 03:49:50 PM
Beginning of Kerry.....as SOS?

If so I still think you are wrong on that DS.  Government servers are much more secure (except in the Snowden incident) and is why, and has been a mandate to conduct government business under them.  It makes perfect sense to me.

Again, I don't care who did what when and how many times by either of these self-serving party members....stop it now by making an example that this is not acceptable.  Government servers are meant to protect information from getting into the wrong hands....be it foriegn governments, or enemies at home.


http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-emailgate-312784 (http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-emailgate-312784)

That’s why, after many, many paragraphs of huffing and puffing about how terrible it is that Clinton used a personal email account, the Times article goes on to mention that Secretary of State Colin Powell did the same thing. And, just a tidbit—so did every other Secretary of State up until the current one, John Kerry. Why? Because the rules changed in 2014, after Clinton left office, and now it’s required to use a federal system. If Kerry used a personal account, he would be violating a regulation. Clinton did not.

I hope newsweek is okay as a media.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 03:52:16 PM
My whole thing with Hilliary using a private server/email address for her government correspondence is, what gives her the right in the first place.  Government mandate states that a government employee (I puesume thats elected/appointed officials as well) use government electronic communications devices.

What makes Clinton special and above the law?  I don't get it and I canbot see her as President with her attitude of...'Im better than everyone else'.  That don't play with me...at all, Republican or Democrat.

Far as I'm concerned she's an arrogant biatch and has no business in any public office, now or in the future.


That’s why, after many, many paragraphs of huffing and puffing about how terrible it is that Clinton used a personal email account, the Times article goes on to mention that Secretary of State Colin Powell did the same thing. And, just a tidbit—so did every other Secretary of State up until the current one, John Kerry. Why? Because the rules changed in 2014, after Clinton left office, and now it’s required to use a federal system. If Kerry used a personal account, he would be violating a regulation. Clinton did not.
http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-emailgate-312784 (http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-emailgate-312784)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 03:53:15 PM
BTW Duck, how was the early morning trip to the zoo?

Couldn't go early.  Wife worked three hours overtime and took past the members only time.  We went anyway and the new aquarium is incredible.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 03:58:41 PM
I read somewhere, rambling the net, that her popularity rating among democrats is well below 45% and her rating concerning honesty is below 20% (in her party).

I cannot cite the source as I was just surfing the net but I thought that party line democrats have her number too.

She's pretty outright with her arrogance from what I see on the media.

I can't say if the numbers are actually all correct but have no problem with them.  What you have to get is it isn't any different from 8 years ago.  Clinton is and was right of center and owned by big banks.  Not what I like.  I would be much happier with someone else, but I am just like the republicans here.  I will vote for her because she may not be good, but a whole lot better than a Ted Cruz.  And i am sure no matter who gets the republican nod to you it will be a better choice than anyone the d's picked even if you hold your nose to pull the lever. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 29, 2015, 03:59:49 PM
Yea, I saw it too......within her party is was below 50%, somewhere in the mid-40's range if I recall.  My guess, she is perceived as perhaps somewhat arrogant, above some laws and regulations, and quite honestly,,,,,,not a very good verbal communicator from what I have watched.

I think it is going to be a brutal party campaign.....anyone of them that truly have presidential aspirations is just going to jump on her with both feet.  Too controversial and about as aloof as any man (perhaps Richardville), or woman I've ever saw or heard speak.

Nah, just republican lite.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 29, 2015, 04:19:40 PM
Hillary Clinton is only Secretary of State not use a government-provided email account.  She is alone in the fact that she exclusively used her homebrew email.

It is shocking that other government employees would send email to a non .gov account.   My employer would terminate folks for such behavior of forwarding company emails off of the company intranet.   These firewall protected environments exist for a reason.   Unless Hillary's homebrew server had a VPN tunnel into the government environment, it presented a security risk.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on March 29, 2015, 04:55:32 PM
That’s why, after many, many paragraphs of huffing and puffing about how terrible it is that Clinton used a personal email account, the Times article goes on to mention that Secretary of State Colin Powell did the same thing. And, just a tidbit—so did every other Secretary of State up until the current one, John Kerry. Why? Because the rules changed in 2014, after Clinton left office, and now it’s required to use a federal system. If Kerry used a personal account, he would be violating a regulation. Clinton did not.
[url]http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-emailgate-312784[/url] ([url]http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-emailgate-312784[/url])


Couldn't go early.  Wife worked three hours overtime and took past the members only time.  We went anyway and the new aquarium is incredible.


I can't say if the numbers are actually all correct but have no problem with them.  What you have to get is it isn't any different from 8 years ago.  Clinton is and was right of center and owned by big banks.  Not what I like.  I would be much happier with someone else, but I am just like the republicans here.  I will vote for her because she may not be good, but a whole lot better than a Ted Cruz.  And i am sure no matter who gets the republican nod to you it will be a better choice than anyone the d's picked even if you hold your nose to pull the lever. 



Welcome back, ducksoup.  I can't tell you how refreshing it is to read these posts, even though they weren't in response to one of my posts.  Sure, you may disagree with my way of thinking... but you posted with respect, not calling names.  As long as this continues (like the DS of old), I shall endeavor to do likewise.

Glad you enjoyed your trip to the zoo.  Quite honestly, while I was outside earlier today being blown away by the strong winds, I thought of you and your family at the zoo.  Hope they all had a good time.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 06:19:26 PM
I can't say if the numbers are actually all correct but have no problem with them.  What you have to get is it isn't any different from 8 years ago.  Clinton is and was right of center and owned by big banks.  Not what I like.  I would be much happier with someone else, but I am just like the republicans here.  I will vote for her because she may not be good, but a whole lot better than a Ted Cruz.  And i am sure no matter who gets the republican nod to you it will be a better choice than anyone the d's picked even if you hold your nose to pull the lever.

Thats not a surety.  I voted D in the first Obama election because I bought the hope and change thing and I wasn't at all impressed with McInsane or Palin.

Second time, I wasn't all that impressed with Rummy either but I pulled the lever (actually blacked in the oval) for Rummy because I saw what 'Hope and change' was doing to the country.

You might find that hard to believe but you can ask CL, we discuss our votong prerefernces all the time.  She's not going to lie to you and I'm not either....

I'm not about to vote for a candidate I feel is 'stinky'.  I'm not about to hold my nose for any party line.

I like to think as I'm voting the best choice, as I see it and not party.  I may (or may not) be a repuke (only because I'm forced to declare in a Michigan primary) but that has little bearing on my actual choices.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2015, 06:24:08 PM
I've made up my mind that decorum needs to prevail on this forum and I will, from here on out, practice decorum (except with Dickweed).

No decorum for it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 29, 2015, 10:06:25 PM
Hillary won't do well debates if they get nasty.  She can't think on her feet without mumbling something stupid.  But the media will do their best to protect her.
You mean like "What difference does it make"...   ;D

I understand that in the past apparently the government archive system may have been broken - but while Hillary was in office the timeline of a few events occurred...

Claiming ignorance of the law/rule/directive - isn't a defense  in any court of law that I'm aware of...   besides she's not that dumb - she did it all intentionally up to the Lerner trick of wiping your hard drive/devices.... 

In fact Clinton even admonished the then current admin in 2008 over the fact that private email accounts were being used by the RNC and advisers...   
But apparently she later thought this was a good idea so much so she had her own server installed as she was taking the Secretary of State position   :o

Goes to support she intentionally did all - as a plan to hide...  because she saw how it worked for others

From previous posts in this thread:

Quote
2005

The Foreign Affairs Manual was codified by the State Department, which ruled in 2005 that employees could only use private email accounts for official business if they turned those emails over to be entered into government computers.

That ruling also forbade State Department employees from including "sensitive but unclassified" information on private email, except for some very narrow exceptions.

Quote
It was also a year when another rule went into place regarding the use of private email. According to the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations in 2009, if an agency allows its employees to use a personal email account, it must ensure that the emails are “preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system.”

How about from the White House in 2011:
Quote
“Very specific guidance has been given to agencies all across the government, which is specifically that employees in the Obama administration should use their official e-mail accounts when they’re conducting official government business,”

Or her own signed memo:
Quote
Sent to Diplomatic and Consular Staff in June 2011, the unclassified cable, with Clinton’s electronic signature, makes clear to “avoid conducting official Department from your personal e-mail accounts”  and employees should not “auto-forward Department email to personal email accounts which is prohibited by Department policy.”
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 29, 2015, 10:07:42 PM
I've made up my mind that decorum needs to prevail on this forum and I will, from here on out, practice decorum (except with Dickweed).

No decorum for it.

Glad to hear
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 30, 2015, 07:36:58 AM
This 2012 Inspector General report outlines the required use of the Department’s OpenNet network:

Report Number ISP-I-12-38A, August 2012

Authorized Automated Information Systems

The Ambassador uses a government-owned laptop that is not physically or electronically connected to the Department’s OpenNet network. Authorized Department OpenNet email systems are available on the Ambassador’s office desktop. According to 12 FAM 544.3 and 11 State 73417 (from the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security to the Ambassador), it is the
Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized information system, which has the proper level of security controls. The use of unauthorized information systems increases the risk for data loss, phishing, and spoofing of email accounts, as well as inadequate protections for personally identifiable information. The use of unauthorized information systems can also result in the loss of official public records as these systems do not have approved record preservation or backup functions. Conducting official business on nonDepartment automated information systems must be limited to only maintaining communications during emergencies.

https://oig.state.gov/system/files/196460.pdf
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 30, 2015, 08:57:14 AM
I've made up my mind that decorum needs to prevail on this forum and I will, from here on out, practice decorum (except with Dickweed).

No decorum for it.

Ditto.

Decorum is the rule - except for Dickweed.

With Dickweed it is what it is.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 30, 2015, 09:15:36 AM
After my review of the timeline and older posts -

I find it most interesting that like Duck has said the world was aware of the perils of using private servers with the RNC and Bush advisers.

Hillary even commented on the practice and denounced it in 2008

So she was against it before she was for it?  ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 30, 2015, 09:20:24 AM
But Prof - she didn't want to carry multiple electronic devices for E-mail!

 ;)

And lets look at that statement - shall we?

A)  She already was.
B)  You can have multiple E-mail accounts on the same device.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 30, 2015, 09:54:05 AM
Politicians use to try to cover things up they didn't want the public to know about.
Now they all just outright lie about it and move on without any repercussions.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 30, 2015, 10:35:18 AM

It appears that the State Department has a second account that handles classified information and internal cables:

The OIG team also observed that the Ambassador very infrequently logs onto his classified account, which would allow him to read cables and classified emails.

https://oig.state.gov/system/files/196460.pdf

Since Hillary indicated that she wasn't using her government account, it makes one wonder what she did for four years?   

I guess we now know why Ambassador Stevens cables went unanswered.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 30, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
After my review of the timeline and older posts -

I find it most interesting that like Duck has said the world was aware of the perils of using private servers with the RNC and Bush advisers.

Hillary even commented on the practice and denounced it in 2008

So she was against it before she was for it?  ;)

I could ask you back... how many of the people complaining about Clinton now were defending the Bush white House for it before. 

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 30, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
You mean like "What difference does it make"...   ;D

I understand that in the past apparently the government archive system may have been broken - but while Hillary was in office the timeline of a few events occurred...

Claiming ignorance of the law/rule/directive - isn't a defense  in any court of law that I'm aware of...   besides she's not that dumb - she did it all intentionally up to the Lerner trick of wiping your hard drive/devices.... 

In fact Clinton even admonished the then current admin in 2008 over the fact that private email accounts were being used by the RNC and advisers...   
But apparently she later thought this was a good idea so much so she had her own server installed as she was taking the Secretary of State position   :o

Goes to support she intentionally did all - as a plan to hide...  because she saw how it worked for others

From previous posts in this thread:

How about from the White House in 2011:
Or her own signed memo:

Part of you answer is the Congressional "do as I say, not as I do"  they are exempt from a lot of law we are not.  Clinton was not required to. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 30, 2015, 06:34:43 PM
2005

The Foreign Affairs Manual was codified by the State Department, which ruled in 2005 that employees could only use private email accounts for official business if they turned those emails over to be entered into government computers.

That ruling also forbade State Department employees from including "sensitive but unclassified" information on private email, except for some very narrow exceptions.

Powell was after that time and did not use the government servers.  You are just guess she did not comply with turning over emails.

Quote
It was also a year when another rule went into place regarding the use of private email. According to the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations in 2009, if an agency allows its employees to use a personal email account, it must ensure that the emails are “preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system.”


Wait..what??  “if an agency allows its employees to use a personal email account” how can that be if it is supposedly illegal?

It says right there plain as day it can be done.   Rather it could ion the past.  Obama changed it so NOW it is not able to be done.

Why is no one ranting for pages about how this problem has been stopped finally?

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employees in the Obama administration should use their official e-mail accounts when they’re conducting official government business,”

Employees… SHOULD USE …   notice that part.  It doesn’t say MUST under penalty of law.  It is a suggestion.  Sad that it was that way and I am glad that Obama changed it.

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Sent to Diplomatic and Consular Staff in June 2011, the unclassified cable, with Clinton’s electronic signature, makes clear to “avoid conducting official Department from your personal e-mail accounts”  and employees should not “auto-forward Department email to personal email accounts which is prohibited by Department policy.”

Avoid conducting …  doesn’t mean forbidden.. does it?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 30, 2015, 08:01:15 PM
It will be interesting to see if any emails under congressional subpoena are found and have not been already turned over by Hillary.

CAP's Defense of Hillary Doesn't Go Over So Well on Meet the Press (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJCJ9RNMbM#)

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 30, 2015, 11:17:58 PM
Powell was after that time and did not use the government servers.  You are just guess she did not comply with turning over emails.


Wait..what??  “if an agency allows its employees to use a personal email account” how can that be if it is supposedly illegal?

It says right there plain as day it can be done.   Rather it could ion the past.  Obama changed it so NOW it is not able to be done.

Why is no one ranting for pages about how this problem has been stopped finally?

Employees… SHOULD USE …   notice that part.  It doesn’t say MUST under penalty of law.  It is a suggestion.  Sad that it was that way and I am glad that Obama changed it.

Avoid conducting …  doesn’t mean forbidden.. does it?

So you're saying that because it wasn't a law but just a codefied regulation - it was acceptable?

I don't buy it - she knew exactly what the rules were -
Are you saying the Powell didn't turn over any e-mails - or he wiped out his server?

The exception for personal emails was that you had to ensure they were turned over-   and she didn't - until years later.

I think the after the fact thing is most troubling - she wiped the servers "After she knew there was a subpoena"
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on March 31, 2015, 12:05:44 AM
So you're saying that because it wasn't a law but just a codefied regulation - it was acceptable?

Professor please, I am really trying to be polite.

I have said, more than once it was wrong, but legal.  Asking if I find it acceptable seems to be ignoring what I said.

Quote
I don't buy it - she knew exactly what the rules were -
  yes she did

Quote
Are you saying the Powell didn't turn over any e-mails - or he wiped out his server?

I have no clue, but he was probably using the RNC servers that they deleted 20 million emails off of.  Maybe he had his own server, I don't think so.  Are you saying you know, factually, that he did and Hillary did not?


Quote
The exception for personal emails was that you had to ensure they were turned over-   and she didn't - until years later.
Not sure on that but if she did turn them over...even if late...   The Florida law says that anyone using a private server has to turn everything over before leaving office.  As I hear it, it took 6 years and did not get all.  That actually had a law saying MUST BE.


Quote
I think the after the fact thing is most troubling - she wiped the servers "After she knew there was a subpoena"

You don't think disappearing 20 million emails when they when the special prosecutor found out about it and wanted the emails was fishy as all get out?

I still contend it should have been completely taken care of back when we found out the Bush White House used private servers.  I don't know why it wasn't.

It is good that Obama did something to stop it and is now illegal, don't you think?



Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on March 31, 2015, 07:16:22 AM
It is good that Obama did something to stop it and is now illegal, don't you think?

Deleting documents under subpoena is already illegal.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 31, 2015, 08:45:03 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton e-mailed her staff on an iPad as well as a BlackBerry while secretary of state, despite her explanation she exclusively used a personal e-mail address on a homebrew server so that she could carry a single device, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/31/hilary-clinton-email/70708314/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/31/hilary-clinton-email/70708314/)

(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/e5d13e4/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fec%2F50%2F97de69eb42b48c320df5b81650a3%2Fthumb-2.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on March 31, 2015, 09:05:56 AM
Interesting that a FOI request over 4 years only yielded 4 emails between Clinton and her staff...   8*

Her staff would forward government e-mails to her private account
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That e-mail was forwarded to Clinton's private account from Abedin's government e-mail address.


The idea that others have done it - stops when it comes to those others putting in their own server in their home and then wiping it clean during a period of time when it was under subpoena

============================================
The State Department released a total of four e-mails between Clinton and her top advisers as part of a Freedom of Information Act request filed in 2013 by the AP, which sought Clinton's correspondence with senior advisers over a four-year period relating to drone strikes overseas and U.S. surveillance programs.

While limited, the e-mails offer one of the first looks into Clinton's correspondence while secretary of state. The messages came from and were sent to her private e-mail address, hosted on a server at her property in Chappaqua, N.Y., as opposed to a government-run e-mail account.

They show that Clinton, on at least one occasion, accidentally mingled personal and work matters. In reply to a message sent in September 2011 by adviser Huma Abedin to Clinton's personal e-mail account, which contained an AP story about a drone strike in Pakistan, Clinton mistakenly replied with questions that appear to be about decorations.


USA TODAY
Clinton wipes server after handing over e-mails

The other e-mails between Clinton and her advisers provided by the State Department contained a summary of a 2011 meeting between Sen. John McCain and senior Egyptian officials in Cairo. It was uncensored and did not appear to contain sensitive information. That e-mail was forwarded to Clinton's private account from Abedin's government e-mail address.

In another note, Clinton expressed apparent dismay at leaks of classified U.S. government information to the media. Referencing a CNN story, which described "loose lips" in the Obama administration, she asked two officials if she should comment on the matter as had Leon Panetta, the former Central Intelligence Agency director.

"I think this is both dishonorable and dangerous and want to find way to say it," she wrote.

Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said early Tuesday that the secretary used her iPad from time to time, primarily to read news clippings.

At the United Nations earlier this month, Clinton said she chose a personal account over a government one out of convenience, describing it as a way to carry a single device, rather than one for work e-mails and another for personal messages.

"Looking back, it would have been probably, you know, smarter to have used two devices," Clinton said. Her office that day released a statement saying she "wanted the simplicity of using one device."

Clinton became secretary of state in 2009, a year before Apple Inc. released the iPad. Clinton at that time could have potentially split her accounts, reverting to an official State.gov e-mail account and BlackBerry for work and leaving her personal e-mail on her iPad.

Clinton has said she exchanged about 60,000 e-mails in her four years in the Obama administration, about half of which were work-related. She said none contained classified information, and that her private e-mail system did not suffer any security breaches.

The highly unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official physically running her own e-mail server gave Clinton complete control over access to her message archives.

Clinton said she deleted e-mails — some 30,000 in total — that she described as personal in nature, such as yoga routines, plans for her mother's funeral or her daughter's wedding. It's not clear how Clinton handled e-mails that mixed personal and official business, such as the exchange with Abedin.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, chairman of a House committee investigating the 2012 Benghazi attacks that killed four Americans, said Clinton wiped her e-mail server "clean," permanently deleting all e-mails from it and has declined to relinquish her server to a third party for an independent review.

Clinton's attorney said she had turned over to the State Department all work-related e-mails sent or received during her tenure and it would make no sense to turn over her server, since "no e-mails … reside on the server or on any backup systems associated with the server."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/31/hilary-clinton-email/70708314/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/31/hilary-clinton-email/70708314/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on March 31, 2015, 02:37:59 PM
Wow . . . 60,000 emails in 4 yrs.
That's about 41 emails each and every day, and I'm sure she didn't email every single day, so there must be times when she did 60 - 80 - 100 emails per day. No wonder Bill was looking for some strange. She never got off the computer.

With the credibility this woman has, if she gets nominated, let alone elected, I think it will be the new bottom of the political barrel for the good ole U.S. of A.

I'd like to say she doesn't have a chance, but I've been wrong on so many predictions, I'm afraid to say that.

Jimmy Carter... who's he, never heard of him. 
Ronald Reagan.... he's a movie star. He can't win. 
Gerald Ford... can't lose, he's an incumbent.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on March 31, 2015, 03:07:59 PM
And then there was obozo,twice.
Kind of makes you wonder who's counting..
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on March 31, 2015, 07:51:59 PM
And then there was obozo,twice.
Kind of makes you wonder who's counting..

Kind of makes you wonder who's VOTING!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on April 01, 2015, 02:20:06 PM
White House Has No Comprehensive E-Mail Archive

For years, the Bush administration has relied on an inadequate archiving system for storing the millions of e-mails sent through White House servers, despite court orders and statutes requiring the preservation of such records, according to documents and technical experts.
President Bush's White House early on scrapped a custom archiving system that the Clinton administration had adopted under a federal court order. From 2001 to 2003, the Bush White House also recorded over computer backup tapes that provided a last line of defense for preserving e-mails, even though a similar practice landed the Clinton administration in legal trouble.
In the presidential offices, for example, not a single e-mail was archived on Dec. 17, 20 or 21 in 2003 -- the week after the capture of Saddam Hussein. According to the study summary that the committee released, e-mails were not archived for Vice President Cheney's office on four days in early October 2003, coinciding with the start of a Justice Department probe into the leak of a CIA officer's identity, which later led to criminal charges against Cheney's chief of staff.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/21/AR2008012102070.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/21/AR2008012102070.html)

You can continue reading about Gore having email problems and Republicans going nuts about it.

But, that is talking about the government servers.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on April 01, 2015, 02:20:35 PM
Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.

During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.
On April 12, 2007, Rove’s operation admitted that it had deleted at least 5 million emails from the server. In December 2009, technicians who had examined the server reported that the number of emails that had been deleted was far greater — 22 million.
What was in the emails? No one will ever know.

In the Rove scandal, there were 125 broadcast reports and 200 newspaper articles over three months about the millions of deleted emails. Today, in just two weeks there have been 200 broadcast reports and 1,700 newspaper articles about the 50,000 deleted emails.

Republicans’ objective in using its lapdogs in the “liberal media” to exaggerate the Clinton emails controversy is to damage her image in advance of her run for the presidency.
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/ (http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/)

But, Republicans want me to think they never would do anything like they are accusing Clinton.  Well, at least that small.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on April 01, 2015, 04:04:47 PM

After all the complaining you do about " Faux News ",
you think "The Pensito Review" is a fine non-partisan source.

Again,  what was your definition of hypocrite ?

http://www.pensitoreview.com/category/infograf/ (http://www.pensitoreview.com/category/infograf/)

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 01, 2015, 05:22:57 PM
Interesting web rag.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on April 01, 2015, 06:47:34 PM
After all the complaining you do about " Faux News ",
you think "The Pensito Review" is a fine non-partisan source.

Again,  what was your definition of hypocrite ?

[url]http://www.pensitoreview.com/category/infograf/[/url] ([url]http://www.pensitoreview.com/category/infograf/[/url])


Well, glad you know that, I sure didn't.. Fact is it was the FIRST link in Google when I did a search.  However, since you are claiming the information is false please let me know which of the events that happened rally did not.  I also noticed you ignored that the first post link was a conservative paper. 

Again, the facts are easily verified for many places; don't like that one, you can find on to suit you elsewhere with the same facts.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on April 01, 2015, 07:51:54 PM
No one is disputing the facts it probably happened,  question is why didn't anyone learn from the mistakes that it appears the Clinton and Bush admin did... 

And how does Hillary have a leg to stand on for doing the same thing she admonished in 2008?

She saw the brilliance and lack of anything being done against Lois Lerner for doing the same?  ... and Hillary didn't even have to plead the 5th  ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 01, 2015, 09:44:38 PM
I've refrained from arguing with Duck but I have to say, I (personally) think Hillary is a piss poor excuse for a human being, let alone a politician.  I wonder what happens to people to cause them to turn into such ugly people.

I also believe that if the party backs her in a Presidential election, we will have a Republican President in 2016.

She's bad pizza.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on April 02, 2015, 09:19:39 AM

I see where the U.S. Justice Dept. refused to charge Lerner with contemp. The attorney who announced it, promptly resigned the following day.

Think he was forced to do something he didn't agree with?

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on April 02, 2015, 09:26:05 AM
You know you're in trouble when the justice dept in this country is corrupt.  Let's only hope a conservative doesn't die off in the Supreme court.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on April 02, 2015, 09:27:57 AM
However, since you are claiming the information is false please let me know which of the events that happened rally did not.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills, unless you intentionally stated something that didn't happen.  Where did I mention anything about the information being false?



Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on April 02, 2015, 03:57:33 PM
(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/8e7e690/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fed%2Fb7%2Fa8c0961c493ea5844eb7849a0cdb%2Fthumb-4.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on April 02, 2015, 08:46:07 PM



(http://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2015/04/02/20150401edsuc-a_s878x540.jpg?32249eb01863474e368c2537a55ab97ec7e193f6)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on April 02, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
Hillary either knew she was breaking the rules or was too incompetent to read and follow the Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual.

Clinton private email violated 'clear-cut' State Dept. rules

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html)

The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal email accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned.

The policy, detailed in a manual for agency employees, adds clarity to an issue at the center of a growing controversy over Clinton’s reliance on a private email account. Aides to Clinton, as well as State Department officials, have suggested that she did nothing inappropriate because of fuzzy guidelines and lack of specific rules on when and how official documents had to be preserved during her years as secretary.

But the 2005 policy was described as one of several “clear cut” directives the agency’s own inspector general relied on to criticize the conduct of a U.S. ambassador who in 2012 was faulted for using email outside of the department’s official system.

“It is the Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized [Automated Information System], which has the proper level of security control to provide nonrepudiation, authentication and encryption, to ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information,” the Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual states.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html#ixzz3WCdHkfmZ (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html#ixzz3WCdHkfmZ)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on April 02, 2015, 09:22:15 PM
Rules aren't for the Clintons or most other politicians.  They are for us..
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on April 02, 2015, 10:03:18 PM
Hillary either knew she was breaking the rules or was too incompetent to read and follow the Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual.

Clinton private email violated 'clear-cut' State Dept. rules

Read more: [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html[/url] ([url]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html[/url])

The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal email accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned.

The policy, detailed in a manual for agency employees, adds clarity to an issue at the center of a growing controversy over Clinton’s reliance on a private email account. Aides to Clinton, as well as State Department officials, have suggested that she did nothing inappropriate because of fuzzy guidelines and lack of specific rules on when and how official documents had to be preserved during her years as secretary.

But the 2005 policy was described as one of several “clear cut” directives the agency’s own inspector general relied on to criticize the conduct of a U.S. ambassador who in 2012 was faulted for using email outside of the department’s official system.

“It is the Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized [Automated Information System], which has the proper level of security control to provide nonrepudiation, authentication and encryption, to ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information,” the Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual states.


Read more: [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html#ixzz3WCdHkfmZ[/url] ([url]http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html#ixzz3WCdHkfmZ[/url])
I,m sorry, The Duck Will dispute this. He will also say I am saying what he thinks. wait for it..
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on April 02, 2015, 10:09:27 PM
I,m sorry, The Duck Will dispute this. He will also say I am saying what he thinks. wait for it..

Well, Sammy, thanks for being insulting out of the blue.  Nice of you.

I pretty much gave up this topic, that actually WAS answered, but ignore, so there is no need to try again.

Good job trying to stir Shet up though.  Just what MT needs more of.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on April 02, 2015, 10:30:56 PM
Well, Sammy, thanks for being insulting out of the blue.  Nice of you.

I pretty much gave up this topic, that actually WAS answered, but ignore, so there is no need to try again.

Good job trying to stir Shet up though.  Just what MT needs more of.

Insulting out of the blue?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 02, 2015, 11:37:32 PM
I'm going to make a comment not directed towards anyone in particular but it's something thats festering away in my mind...

How the hell can Kerry commit Israel to destruction in 10 years at the hanfs of Iran...

I don't get it.  Is Obama that stupid or is Kerry that stupid or are the both stupid.  Iran needs permanent sanctions and/or inspections, Iran don't need the bomb and never has.

Basically what Kerry is giving Iran is a license to destroy Israel and more in 10 years.  If anyone thinks that Iran will stop with Israel, they are smoking some good wacky.

I really hope the Democrats run Kerry in 2016 for President.  Even a half assed Republican can tear that clown a new butt hole.

The level of ineptmess in this administration is unbelieveable.

Thats all I have to say on that....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on April 03, 2015, 08:03:30 AM
I think Kerry is only following obamas script.  Being the good employee, keeping his hopes alive of becoming the dumbacrats presidential candidate.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on April 03, 2015, 10:23:20 AM
I'm not sure the Middle East is going to make it 10 years the way things are going.

It sure is getting hot over there.

Lots of wars going on from Africa to Yeman to Iraq to Afghanistan.

Wars and rumors of wars.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on April 08, 2015, 06:00:20 PM
Interesting read that shows Hillary was interested in keeping secrets from the American people than from our enemies.  I wonder why U.S. intel did not identify and address this risk.

Hillary Clinton's Private Server A Foreign Spy Magnet

Hillary Clinton's private email server was a spy magnet for the Russian, Chinese, Iranian and other intelligence services, say current and former intelligence officials.

As secretary of state, Clinton routed all her government-related email through the server, based in her house in Chappaqua, New York. She reportedly hired a Cablevision (NYSE:CVC) subsidiary to run the server, with antivirus protection from Intel's (NASDAQ:INTC) McAfee. And she registered her domain name, clintonmail.com, through Network Solutions.

Intelligence professionals fear that the use of the privately installed server, free of certified government defenses against foreign interception, has been a boon to foreign cyberspies.

"By using her own private server with email — which we now know was wholly unencrypted for the first three months of Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state — she left this easily interceptable by any decent 21st century SIGINT service," said John Schindler, a former National Security Agency counterintelligence officer. SIGINT is shorthand for signals intelligence, or electronic spying.

"The name Clinton right on the email handle meant this was not a difficult find," Schindler said. "We should assume Russians, Chinese and others were seeing this."

"In all, this is a counterintelligence disaster of truly epic proportions, not to mention that, since Clinton admitted she did not use higher-classification email systems at all" — systems like SIPR and JWICS, Schindler said — "we have to assume some bleed-over into her unsecured private email too, which makes this even worse."

SIPR is the Secret Internet Protocol Router network that the Department of Defense runs to ensure secret communications for the U.S. military, other agencies and certain allies. JWICS is the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System for top-secret government communication. Both provide secure communications for the State Department and secretary of state. Clinton's private server was not protected by the Department of Homeland Security's Einstein intrusion detection system, which relies on NSA systems, for official State Department emails.

"She may have deleted 30,000 e-mails before turning her files over to the State Department, but that doesn't mean that the Russians and the Chinese don't have them," said Michelle Van Cleave, former U.S. National Counterintelligence Executive.

Others say that the potential damage to U.S. national security is so grave that the FBI should seize the server and conduct a forensic analysis to determine the extent of foreign penetration. That analysis would be part of what is called a damage assessment, which is routine after any suspected security breach.

However, the FBI might not find anything now, according to Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., chairman of a House investigative panel, who says that Clinton had the server wiped clean. Still, the forensic analysis by trained personnel could yield valuable clues about foreign spies gaining access to America's most fiercely guarded secrets. Gowdy has called on Clinton to appear before his committee for what he called a "transcribed interview regarding her use of private email and a personal server for official State Department business."

Rep. Ken Buck, R-Colo., a former prosecutor, said that the FBI should conduct a forensic analysis of any attempted foreign penetrations, to determine which foreign intelligence services might have hacked into Clinton's email server.

"Denying a legitimate request by the Bureau to examine her computer would certainly suggest that America's security is not Clinton's highest priority," Buck said.

"The FBI investigated a sitting CIA director for intentionally disclosing classified information. The Bureau can certainly investigate whether a former secretary of state unintentionally disclosed classified information," Buck said. "The motive may be different, but the potential damage to national security is similar."

Why Clinton hasn't offered to turn over the server to the FBI, or why the FBI has not seized it to assess the damage to national security, is unclear. A Clinton spokesperson declined to comment.

In a question-and-answer sheet provided to reporters, Clinton did not address the issue. The FBI won't say whether or not it made a request or took possession of the server. The Bureau does not have the device, according to a highly placed FBI source. That source is not cleared to speak to the press and could not speak on the record.

The lure of reading a secretary of state's emails would exert a pull on any foreign spy, intelligence officials say.

Where, on a scale of one to 10, would any sitting secretary of state rank as a target of foreign spies? "10, of course," said Van Cleave. "That being the case, all of her e-mails would have been potentially of interest to any number of foreign parties."

"A target like this would be at least a 10, maybe 10-plus if the enemy knew the email address and server," said Robert W. Stephan, a former counterintelligence analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency who also served 19 years in the CIA. "If a foreign intelligence service determines that it is indeed the secretary of state's private communications/e-mail/server and even given the security measures that were set up, it would still be a top target for some sophisticated services," Stephan said. "Obviously Chinese, Russian, and Cuban, and possibly Iranians and North Koreans."

That statement presumes that the server was strongly protected against outside penetration, which does not seem to be the case. News reports indicate that the server's security configurations were done improperly, protecting Clinton's personal privacy and not national security, and that, even if everything was done by the book, that type of server and software package remains vulnerable to a good hacker.

"A 16-year-old can break into a server, and certainly a government sophisticated enough to break into the Sony (NYSE:SNE) system can break into Hillary Clinton's system," said Rep. Buck. "That's a no-brainer."

How would adversary spy services exploit this intelligence? "The positions, the interests, the communications between the secretary of state and her staff are of great interest to any foreign intelligence service, whether hostile or friendly," said Paul Joyal, former director of security of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

"The American secretary of state using an open, unprotected server? That's an invitation to a party," said a veteran intelligence officer who asked for anonymity because he still holds active clearances. "All of her private musings. There's no secretary of state who doesn't communicate with classified information. How the hell could she do her job without it?"


Read More:  http://news.investors.com/politics/040715-746883-hillary-clinton-email-server-vulnerable-to-china-russia-iran.htm (http://news.investors.com/politics/040715-746883-hillary-clinton-email-server-vulnerable-to-china-russia-iran.htm)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on May 22, 2015, 06:14:11 PM
Gosh, I thought Hillary stated that she did not use this email for sensitive information.

CLINTON RECEIVED SENSITIVE INFO ON PRIVATE EMAIL ACCOUNT

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_CLINTON_EMAILS (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_CLINTON_EMAILS)


Fmr. CIA Head: Hillary’s Email Server Was Compromised By Foreign Intel Services

http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/15/fmr-cia-head-hillarys-email-server-was-compromised-by-foreign-intel-services-audio/ (http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/15/fmr-cia-head-hillarys-email-server-was-compromised-by-foreign-intel-services-audio/)

Morrell confirms at least one foreign country have what was on Hillary’s email server. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMvsV7VCFzo#)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on May 23, 2015, 10:46:13 AM
Gosh, I thought Hillary stated that she did not use this email for sensitive information.

CLINTON RECEIVED SENSITIVE INFO ON PRIVATE EMAIL ACCOUNT

[url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_CLINTON_EMAILS[/url] ([url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_CLINTON_EMAILS[/url])
OMG! She RECEIVED an email!

Well I don't know about you but most people don't have any control of the content of emails received.

I always get jokes and other information emailed to me that friends and family try to pass on...even though I always tell 'em that I refuse to click their links or open their files.

The point is...the email recipients cannot control the content of emails sent to their inbox.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on May 23, 2015, 12:14:57 PM
I agree Fry, ain't now way to control what is sent to you......BUT, and I am only going by the rules clearly laid out for a family member who works for the DOJ as to why government business is not supposed to be done on private email accounts outside of government servers.  The reasoning made sense to me, really did and especially at the level Clinton was dealing in.

It is a violation of the policy I read, and she should have known better.  Not a big fan of hers at all, but she was in error in having a private account to do government business on.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on May 23, 2015, 12:17:17 PM
I'm not a fan of Hillary either.

Hell maybe she needs a good spanking.  ;D

I dunno.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on May 23, 2015, 12:26:04 PM
LOL, I knew you weren't either.

I suspect a spanking followed by......well, never mind.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on May 23, 2015, 08:01:44 PM
OMG! She RECEIVED an email!

Well I don't know about you but most people don't have any control of the content of emails received.

I always get jokes and other information emailed to me that friends and family try to pass on...even though I always tell 'em that I refuse to click their links or open their files.

The point is...the email recipients cannot control the content of emails sent to their inbox.

Your personal email is irrelevant as would Hillary's use of any external email server for her personal emails. 

There are government policies in place that require the use of an internal email so that this government data never leaves the government network.  The use of an externally hosted email would require that every email go out onto the internet and available to hackers.

Hillary’s homebrew server gave her control over her and her staff emails, but it made Clinton's emails available to any state-sponsored cyber warriors like the Russians, the Iranians, the Chinese and the Israelis.  Hillary obviously had a greater fear of the American public seeing all of her emails than these foreign governments.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 23, 2015, 08:40:24 PM
I have to say I am very relieved that Republicans here are not two faced.  I mean they went after the Bush white house for using a private server for official business and beat at them for months over and over just like Hillary and it caused them to change the law so it would no happen again.  Oh, yeah, they didn't say a thing and didn't stop it but bleat away on this because they are just partisan.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on May 23, 2015, 08:51:16 PM
I have to say I am very relieved that Republicans here are not two faced.  I mean they went after the Bush white house for using a private server for official business and beat at them for months over and over just like Hillary and it caused them to change the law so it would no happen again.  Oh, yeah, they didn't say a thing and didn't stop it but bleat away on this because they are just partisan.
The good news is that YOU are not partisan, and therefore able to critique all them Righties' posts impartially. You are too funny.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 23, 2015, 09:50:03 PM
I'm not a fan of Hillary either.

Hell maybe she needs a good spanking.  ;D

I dunno.

I nominate Fuzz for the task.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on May 23, 2015, 10:43:48 PM
I would not smoke out of the same peace pipe with that woman, she just personifies herself as one of those kind of people I don't like, nor seldom trust.

I think the only thing I'd really want to know from her is how many times she beat on Bill.   ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on May 23, 2015, 10:45:25 PM
I bet Bill still has bruises after the Monica thing.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on May 23, 2015, 11:00:55 PM
SNL once had a skit about cops coming over to a house where a married couple were fighting and the woman was getting the better end of the physicality.  Not sure who played who, but it was one of the funniest skits I had ever seen on the show.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 23, 2015, 11:47:17 PM
The good news is that YOU are not partisan, and therefore able to critique all them Righties' posts impartially. You are too funny.

You are right, I am not being partisan about it.  I said many times it was wrong when the Republicans did it and have said it was wrong of Clinton.  Why is it wrong to bring to attention the silence from the Republicans here when many more republicans did it before and are now condemning it ONLY because it is a democrat?

I say again, if they would have done to the republicans what they do to Clinton now, the law would have been changed back then and she would not have been able to.

Sadly, sammy, that is something you always miss the mark on.  I am consistent on what i feel is wrong.  It was wrong then and stayed wrong. Bush tortured and it is still wrong.  Bush spied on the American people ILLEGALLY (your republicans just retroactively made an amendment to the patriot act to make spying on Americans legal) it is still wrong that Obama does.  Again, something the right was in favor of back then and not now.  Remember them saying "if you don't do anything wrong, you don't have to worry?"

Wait, perhaps i am wrong and you can find the topic of the right going after Bush over the private email server for the white house that lost 20 million emails very conveniently?  That should rate at least 30 or 40 pages of the right drumming at the republicans. I think I missed it, you should find it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on May 24, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
You are right, I am not being partisan about it.  I said many times it was wrong when the Republicans did it and have said it was wrong of Clinton.  Why is it wrong to bring to attention the silence from the Republicans here when many more republicans did it before and are now condemning it ONLY because it is a democrat?

I say again, if they would have done to the republicans what they do to Clinton now, the law would have been changed back then and she would not have been able to.

Sadly, sammy, that is something you always miss the mark on.  I am consistent on what i feel is wrong.  It was wrong then and stayed wrong. Bush tortured and it is still wrong.  Bush spied on the American people ILLEGALLY (your republicans just retroactively made an amendment to the patriot act to make spying on Americans legal) it is still wrong that Obama does.  Again, something the right was in favor of back then and not now.  Remember them saying "if you don't do anything wrong, you don't have to worry?"

Wait, perhaps i am wrong and you can find the topic of the right going after Bush over the private email server for the white house that lost 20 million emails very conveniently?  That should rate at least 30 or 40 pages of the right drumming at the republicans. I think I missed it, you should find it.

Republicans can speak for themselves, but I think this is a cute rant.

Monroe Talks did not exist during the time that the Bush White House used the RNC email server so why would you expect that there be any posts on the subject?

I say prosecute anybody using a private email or forwarding emails containing sensitive data to the public internet.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 24, 2015, 02:43:05 PM
Republicans can speak for themselves, but I think this is a cute rant.

Monroe Talks did not exist during the time that the Bush White House used the RNC email server so why would you expect that there be any posts on the subject?

I say prosecute anybody using a private email or forwarding emails containing sensitive data to the public internet.


The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act.[1] Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted.[2][3] Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations.[4] In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy)

I still don't because it is partisan.  MT did exist and there is not that topic of republicans haranguing the Bush white house for using a private email server and "losing" 20 million emails for 20 or more pages.   

I can agree that it should have previously been illegal to use a private server but it was not until 2014 when Obama changed it.  As I have said, if republicans had cared when republicans did it far far worse it would have been illegal long ago.  But, they did not.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 24, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
Republicans can speak for themselves, but I think this is a cute rant.

Monroe Talks did not exist during the time that the Bush White House used the RNC email server so why would you expect that there be any posts on the subject?

I say prosecute anybody using a private email or forwarding emails containing sensitive data to the public internet.

I agree with that.  Probelm is, those that do (like Hillary) think they are above the law.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 24, 2015, 02:54:09 PM
I agree with that.  Probelm is, those that do (like Hillary) think they are above the law.
It was not illegal.  It is now, but not then.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 24, 2015, 03:01:54 PM
Illegal and ethically right are two different animals I guess, but then from what I see, ethics are non-existent in Washington, come to think of it, Lansing too.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on May 24, 2015, 04:46:45 PM
It was not illegal.  It is now, but not then.

How is it illegal now?  I am not aware of any bills passed through congress and signed into law by POTUS.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 24, 2015, 05:42:51 PM
I guess you can't use that newfangled google thing.http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2015/nr15-23.html (http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2015/nr15-23.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on May 25, 2015, 11:56:51 AM
I guess you can't use that newfangled google thing.[url]http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2015/nr15-23.html[/url] ([url]http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2015/nr15-23.html[/url])


Thanks!   

Google can also be used to find out that Monroe Talks did not exist until Jun 13, 2008.  Your "nobody posted about this when Bush did it" shtick is pretty disingenuous, but entertaining.   

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 25, 2015, 12:11:26 PM
Thanks!   

Google can also be used to find out that Monroe Talks did not exist until Jun 13, 2008.  Your "nobody posted about this when Bush did it" shtick is pretty disingenuous, but entertaining.   

FF member since 5-21-2007  BRD member since 6-18-2007  But I can excuse you if you don't know that the forum was called something else and changed to talks.  I think "eyes and ears" or something like that.  So, again, you are wrong. But, keep making excuses why it is okay for you and republicans to be blindly partisan about it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on May 25, 2015, 12:29:16 PM
I really do find humor in the dividing line of R versus D very ironic when used as a negative overtone in a conversation.  They are so much the same to me.....crooked, bought and paid for, and mission in life to obstruct each other on damn near every initiative the other thinks may be a good idea....no matter how much merit each have.

Now, conservative versus liberals........absolutely.  Yea, say what you want, but both exist within both party sides, and yes, the pendulum swings like climate change.

It's all a game to them as to how to stay in, and graduate to the pimp college of financial security of the government or lobby industry. 

Keep reelecting those bozos and send that signal that all is well.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on May 25, 2015, 12:45:07 PM


 R versus D .....  They are so much the same to me.....crooked, bought and paid for, and mission in life to obstruct each other on damn near every initiative the other thinks may be a good idea....no matter how much merit each have.

Now, conservative versus liberals........ both exist within both party sides, and yes, the pendulum swings like climate change.

It's all a game to them as to how to stay in, and graduate to the pimp college of financial security of the government or lobby industry. 

Keep re-electing those bozos and send that signal that all is well.


     Hear ... hear ...          Well said in simple terms.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on May 25, 2015, 12:51:43 PM
That's why I've lost faith in the system, nails.........the voting block are morons one way or the other.

The system is broken beyond repair with the mental midgets we elect to office that have the ability to change things.  We put them back in and send a pretty clear message as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on May 25, 2015, 01:00:40 PM
FF member since 5-21-2007  BRD member since 6-18-2007  But I can excuse you if you don't know that the forum was called something else and changed to talks.  I think "eyes and ears" or something like that.  So, again, you are wrong. But, keep making excuses why it is okay for you and republicans to be blindly partisan about it.

I believe I stated "Monroe Talks."   So when did "Monroe Talks" go live?  Google indicates these boards are time stamped Jun 13, 2008.

But, let's take 1/1/2007 for as the time point for discussion.   It is still years after the event you cited as an example of partisanship.

I am not claiming that partisanship doesn't exist, only you numerous claims that nobody posted anything on MT about Bush doing "X" is a fallacy since it is likely that MT was not around at the time.

I usually vote 3rd party, because it appears the fix is in for the two party system.   I compare it to the Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals.   They ride the same bus and may put on a different uniform each night depending on the need,  but the result is always the same.



Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on May 25, 2015, 01:26:01 PM
I know I bashed Bush back in the day, the guy came off like a complete moron and incapable of running a state let alone a country.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 25, 2015, 02:09:39 PM
I believe I stated "Monroe Talks."   So when did "Monroe Talks" go live?  Google indicates these boards are time stamped Jun 13, 2008.


I stated "Monroetalks" as well.  I added that the forum existed before then as a differnt name.  FF and BRD signing on to THIS forum on those dates.

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But, let's take 1/1/2007 for as the time point for discussion.   It is still years after the event you cited as an example of partisanship.


The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act.[1] Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted.[2][3] Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations.[4] In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.[5]

The administration officials had been using a private Internet domain, called gwb43.com, owned by and hosted on an email server run by the Republican National Committee,[6] for various communications of unknown content or purpose. The domain name is an acronym standing for "George W. Bush, 43rd" President of the United States. The server came public when it was discovered that J. Scott Jennings, the White House's deputy director of political affairs, was using a gwb43.com email address to discuss the firing of the U.S. attorney for Arkansas.[7] Communications by federal employees were also found on georgewbush.com (registered to "Bush-Cheney '04, Inc."[8]) and rnchq.org (registered to "Republican National Committee"[9]), but, unlike these two servers, gwb43.com has no Web server connected to it — it is used only for email.[10]

The "gwb43.com" domain name was publicized by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), who sent a letter to Oversight and Government Reform Committee committee chairman Henry A. Waxman requesting an investigation.[11] Waxman sent a formal warning to the RNC, advising them to retain copies of all emails sent by White House employees. According to Waxman, "in some instances, White House officials were using nongovernmental accounts specifically to avoid creating a record of the communications."[12] The Republican National Committee claims to have erased the emails, supposedly making them unavailable for Congressional investigators.[13]

On April 12, 2007, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel stated that White House staffers were told to use RNC accounts to "err on the side of avoiding violations of the Hatch Act, but they should also retain that information so it can be reviewed for the Presidential Records Act," and that "some employees ... have communicated about official business on those political email accounts."[14] Stanzel also said that even though RNC policy since 2004 has been to retain all emails of White House staff with RNC accounts, the staffers had the ability to delete the email themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy)


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I am not claiming that partisanship doesn't exist, only you numerous claims that nobody posted anything on MT about Bush doing "X" is a fallacy since it is likely that MT was not around at the time.


MT did exist from 2007 until the 20 million emails were discovered "missing" in 2009.  But, I notice you are hedging now with "likely was not around" 

Cute.  It did exist and they did not harp about it for dozens and dozens of pages.

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I usually vote 3rd party, because it appears the fix is in for the two party system.   I compare it to the Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals.   They ride the same bus and may put on a different uniform each night depending on the need,  but the result is always the same.


Okay. Not sure how that matters when you accuse one side and defend the other while pretending to not be one or the other... whatever makes you feel good about defending them.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 25, 2015, 02:12:32 PM
I really do find humor in the dividing line of R versus D very ironic when used as a negative overtone in a conversation.  They are so much the same to me.....crooked, bought and paid for, and mission in life to obstruct each other on damn near every initiative the other thinks may be a good idea....no matter how much merit each have.

Now, conservative versus liberals........absolutely.  Yea, say what you want, but both exist within both party sides, and yes, the pendulum swings like climate change.

It's all a game to them as to how to stay in, and graduate to the pimp college of financial security of the government or lobby industry. 

Keep reelecting those bozos and send that signal that all is well.

Principally, I hear the "vote them all out" from those on the right here and at other places both internet and in person.  Yes, not exclusively, but outweighed by a lot.  Yet, just as those two newspaper articles said about Michigan, those same Republicans keep voting the same ones back in.

I think the first thing is money needs to be taken out of the loop.  It is legalized bribery.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on May 25, 2015, 02:40:38 PM
I bet Bill still has bruises after the Monica thing.
Someone on the Whitehouse Staff just wrote a book about having to clean up blood from the presidential bedroom - shortly after that went public... 

Kind of like the Mrs. Tiger Woods of her time  ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on May 26, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
MT did exist from 2007 until the 20 million emails were discovered "missing" in 2009.  But, I notice you are hedging now with "likely was not around" 

Cute.  It did exist and they did not harp about it for dozens and dozens of pages.

Okay. Not sure how that matters when you accuse one side and defend the other while pretending to not be one or the other... whatever makes you feel good about defending them.


Exposing your fallacies is not a defense of anyone.

The Bush White House confirmed the use of private emails on April 11, 2007 and the first post in MT Politics and Government was August 14, 2007.   The Bush email story does predate MT Politics and Government.


White House E-Mail Lost in Private Accounts

By Michael Abramowitz and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, April 12, 2007

The White House acknowledged yesterday that e-mails dealing with official government business may have been lost because they were improperly sent through private accounts intended to be used for political activities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR2007041102167.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR2007041102167.html)

Your second fallacy is your claim that the absence of MT posts on this subject is proof of positive support for this bad behavior.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 26, 2015, 12:55:38 PM
Exposing your fallacies is not a defense of anyone.


LOL you have been defending republicans for not saying crap about Bush and his white house, not me.

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The Bush White House confirmed the use of private emails on April 11, 2007 and the first post in MT Politics and Government was August 14, 2007.   The Bush email story does predate MT Politics and Government.[/color]


White House E-Mail Lost in Private Accounts

By Michael Abramowitz and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, April 12, 2007

The White House acknowledged yesterday that e-mails dealing with official government business may have been lost because they were improperly sent through private accounts intended to be used for political activities.

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR2007041102167.html[/url] ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR2007041102167.html[/url])


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Your second fallacy is your claim that the absence of MT posts on this subject is proof of positive support for this bad behavior.


Oh, so at no point in the two year long discovery and investigation was it appropriate for any republican to say it was wrong and go one for pages.  Your assertion is that because MT existed perhaps months after then it never happened?  Aside from trying to claim MT didn't exist for almost another year? 

As I said, pretend all you want.  You and your republicans you defend said nothing and now make a big deal of far less.

I say both are wrong but if your republicans had gotten even partly as upset over Bush doing it as toward Hillary, then it would have been made illegal LONG AGO.  Oh, wait, maybe you say republicans didn't exist before MT?  Perhaps that is why no republicans said anything to stop it?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on May 26, 2015, 01:34:48 PM
Perhaps that is why no republicans said anything to stop it?

Maybe they didn't say anything, because if they did a bunch of Liberals would have come down on them like a pack of rabid dogs?

Do you remember those days on the board Duck?

I sure do.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 26, 2015, 01:50:48 PM
Maybe they didn't say anything, because if they did a bunch of Liberals would have come down on them like a pack of rabid dogs?

Do you remember those days on the board Duck?

I sure do.
LOL so your claim is that republicans were cowards? your wild claim is no one said anything because poor you with whatever name you used would get an argument.  Even if I had been around for whatever other name you used, I believed the republicans were wrong then.  I am pretty sure all others not republican felt the same.

So, why again, would you get picked on for agreeing it was wrong.  In short. your troll was really lame.

I didn't join until july 2008 so I don't know how you were then.  What name did you use? 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 26, 2015, 03:11:01 PM
Yes, I admit it.   I did not post one thing about Bush while he was in office.   

What a leap.  You are defending republicans at mt NOW.  I did not say that YOU did not say anything at mt back then did I...  Just another try to change what you have been saying.

I guess the silence of most if not all republicans at other places than mt is because mt didn't exist?


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My Bush defense was so stealthy that I waited for him to be out of office for almost 3 years before I even joined MT.   

I also did not say "crap" about Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy and etc over the years, so it appears by your "logic", I support them as well.

...And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for your meddling DuckSoup.   

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Why does your defending republicans in this topic now go into a bunch of crazy talk. 

So, according to you.  If I disagree with your defending republicans it is "meddling?"  Wow.  Are you driving  the  crazy train?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on May 26, 2015, 07:37:16 PM
Exposing your fallacies is not a defense of anyone.

The Bush White House confirmed the use of private emails on April 11, 2007 and the first post in MT Politics and Government was August 14, 2007.   The Bush email story does predate MT Politics and Government.


White House E-Mail Lost in Private Accounts
Thursday, April 12, 2007

The White House acknowledged yesterday that e-mails dealing with official government business may have been lost because they were improperly sent through private accounts intended to be used for political activities.
Actually the forum was called "Eyes & Ears" and appears it was active for quite some time before I stumbled upon it.

Here' an article dated 2006 that mentioned it:
http://www.blogsmonroe.com/editors/2006/11/sonya-moussaed-story/ (http://www.blogsmonroe.com/editors/2006/11/sonya-moussaed-story/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on May 26, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
Thanks!   

Google can also be used to find out that Monroe Talks did not exist until Jun 13, 2008.  Your "nobody posted about this when Bush did it" shtick is pretty disingenuous, but entertaining.   
It's funny how you think all discussion on news stories contains an unwritten rule such as some sort of expiration date..after which, any and all references to said story will become null and void. The truth is...many wrongs committed by the right are exposed on a frequent basis around here but you righties will do anything to ignore those and then mount an often senseless partisan attack against the left...and often that extends into the personal attack arena. So in a sense...the silence speaks volumes. Sometimes it's better to listen to what's not being said.  ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on May 26, 2015, 08:11:08 PM
I wouldn't use the term "crazy."   I prefer to use the term "duck logic."  It is where some folks draw a conclusion from the absence of comment.   It is commonly used in the construction of a strawman.

LOL - I stole the meddling line from a pop reference.  I am sure that someone got it

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5257043200/hA5526562/)

Oh, i did not know that your new rule is that calling you for being a blind partisan defending republicans for not doing what they are doing to Hillary....is someone elses doing and not yours.  Typical republican.  Two faced and can't even admit their own lies.

Wow, I must say, calling on Darth Vadar to excuse you from deflct republican partisanship is pretty amazing.  Too bad it just showed even more how pathetic your argument was.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on June 05, 2015, 10:39:13 PM
She married the loud mouth arragont congressman from NY, Weiner.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on June 10, 2015, 10:31:47 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on June 11, 2015, 09:09:24 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on June 16, 2015, 03:06:09 PM
You know what ex.
It ain't gonna matter.
The Clintons shed this crap like nothing and the media doesn't even look at it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on June 16, 2015, 05:13:54 PM
The media has been ordered to ignore this - and they've done a bang up job
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on June 21, 2015, 11:23:42 PM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/cb061815dAPC20150619124619.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on June 25, 2015, 10:33:03 PM
Hillary says state dept lost them because she gave them up
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on June 26, 2015, 12:21:40 AM
So which is it - did she deceive or just lie, or both?


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 “the State Department has informed the Select Committee that Secretary Clinton has failed to turn over all her Benghazi and Libya related records. This confirms doubts about the completeness of Clinton’s self-selected public record.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/state-department-says-15-e-mails-from-clinton-cannot-be-found/2015/06/25/39e20a84-1b9e-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/state-department-says-15-e-mails-from-clinton-cannot-be-found/2015/06/25/39e20a84-1b9e-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on June 26, 2015, 07:53:37 AM
Who cares?

Shytte don't stick to Clintons.

What does it matter?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 26, 2015, 08:08:01 AM
Who cares?

Shytte don't stick to Clintons.

What does it matter?

teflon coated, no stick...

It's getting ugly real quick.  Between affirmation of Obamacare, Fast Track for Obama to destroy whats left with a supercharged NAFTA type agreement with China and who knows who else and this flag bs, I hear the toilet flushing....  gurgle-gurgle....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on June 29, 2015, 05:46:08 PM
teflon coated, no stick...

It's getting ugly real quick.  Between affirmation of Obamacare, Fast Track for Obama to destroy whats left with a supercharged NAFTA type agreement with China and who knows who else and this flag bs, I hear the toilet flushing....  gurgle-gurgle....

This is nothing.  You ain't seen nothing yet!!!!!!

Wait and see what the head Liar-In-Chief does during his last year in office.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on June 29, 2015, 06:29:09 PM
This is nothing.  You ain't seen nothing yet!!!!!!

Wait and see what the head Liar-In-Chief does during his last year in office.

What do you want to bet he makes an executive order that all of us White Males pay some reparations for all of the wrongs our forefathers did - and it won't matter if there is any basis to the claim or not - we will all be guilty by the color of our skin.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on June 29, 2015, 06:36:42 PM
What do you want to bet he makes an executive order that all of us White Males pay some reparations for all of the wrongs our forefathers did - and it won't matter if there is any basis to the claim or not - we will all be guilty by the color of our skin.
That would be a stretch.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on June 29, 2015, 06:38:14 PM
That would be a stretch.

As compared to all of the other stretches that he has done?

He has a pen and a phone, and lots of Federal Agencies.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on June 29, 2015, 06:39:45 PM
He's been doing reparations thru the back door since he's been in office.  Your friend Monique won't like you calling her hero a liar.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on June 29, 2015, 06:41:09 PM
He's been doing reparations thru the back door since he's been in office.  Your friend Monique won't like you calling her hero a liar.

For the record that would be Livewire you would be talking about.....

 ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on June 30, 2015, 07:45:33 AM
I've called Obama a lying sleazebag ever since he was a lowly nobody Senator.

He's just gotten worse with time. 

History will show him as one of the worst presidents we have ever had, and one of the most racist.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on June 30, 2015, 07:59:19 AM
Gee and no criminal charges for anyone yet?
Kind of makes lots of sense now why Lois Lerner pleaded the 5th - as she intentionally deleted her emails

yet the Administration is lacking on enforcement against anyone in the IRS   8*
I guess those oaths taken about upholding the law only apply to commoners not the administrators.

======================================================
Investigators find proof IRS destroyed evidence in targeting scandal
IRS SCANDAL
By ABBY REESE
Posted June 29, 2015, 08:33 a.m.

Two Treasury Department inspectors general revealed last week someone erased computer evidence during the investigation into the IRS targeting scandal—months after the agency was ordered to preserve the documents.

Timothy Camus and J. Russell George made the disclosure during a Thursday hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. They said 422 backup tapes were destroyed and about 24,000 emails were lost in March 2014, the same month IRS Commissioner John Koskinen told Congress the agency was fully complying with the investigation.

The controversy revolves around Lois Lerner, former head of the IRS tax-exempt division, who acknowledged in 2013 her department improperly singled out conservative groups for extra scrutiny. Investigators discovered her computer crashed in 2011, and government IT specialists were unable to detect why. Camus and George said Lerner borrowed multiple computers on loan and deleted thousands of emails.
http://www.worldmag.com/2015/06/investigators_find_evidence_irs_destroyed_email_evidence_in_targeting_scandal (http://www.worldmag.com/2015/06/investigators_find_evidence_irs_destroyed_email_evidence_in_targeting_scandal)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on June 30, 2015, 08:03:33 AM
I've called Obama a lying sleazebag ever since he was a lowly nobody Senator.

He's just gotten worse with time. 

History will show him as one of the worst presidents we have ever had, and one of the most racist.

THEE most racist for sure - and he makes Jimmy Carter look like a genius leader.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on July 27, 2015, 07:49:49 AM
Loopholes and Laws are just pesky things to the Clinton's who are above the law... 

or are they now?   Did Obama throw her under the bus?

(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb_c13386720150727120100.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 27, 2015, 07:56:49 AM
I read that 4 of the first 40 e-mails contained classified and sensative information and were transmitted through Clinton's unsecure server, thats 10% of the first 40, with 29,000 to go,

She's gonna fry, I have no doubt.  She can't dodge the bullet with lies on lies forever.  At some point the bell will toll for her

Go bernie..... ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on July 28, 2015, 09:32:03 AM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 28, 2015, 03:04:46 PM
I find it sad and amusing to see just how far we have slid down into the abyss of tainted socialism.  It's scary.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on July 28, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
I find it sad and amusing to see just how far we have slid down into the abyss of tainted socialism.  It's scary.

And going further and further each and everyday.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on July 30, 2015, 10:06:55 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on July 30, 2015, 10:12:26 PM
You gave to do better with her hair in the next picture.  She just $600 to get it done.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monique on July 30, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
You gave to do better with her hair in the next picture.  She just $600 to get it done.
OMG, man, SPEAK ENGLISH!! Or go back to where you came from !!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on July 31, 2015, 12:16:26 AM
OMG, man, SPEAK ENGLISH!! Or go back to where you came from !!
Considering the time he posted...I suspect a booze/drug interaction.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 31, 2015, 08:50:10 AM
Considering the time he posted...I suspect a booze/drug interaction.

Takes one to know one they say...............
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on July 31, 2015, 03:31:31 PM
Takes one to know one they say...............
Except for those that pay attention would know that I eschew everything that's mind altering in any way.

Last time I got drunk, I ended up looking like rocky raccoon when I accidentally stumbled into a gang fight.

I vowed to never let THAT happen again.

As for the topic...it's just another witch-hunt but I don't like Hillary anyway so it's not worth my time to comment on the idiocy.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on July 31, 2015, 04:01:50 PM

Sometimes you have to have a "witch hunt" to find the witch !


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on July 31, 2015, 04:14:16 PM
Sometimes you have to have a "witch hunt" to find the witch !
Well okay then. The hunt is on!  ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 02, 2015, 07:21:22 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 02, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 02, 2015, 10:17:02 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 02, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 16, 2015, 12:43:19 AM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 16, 2015, 12:45:10 AM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 25, 2015, 06:23:28 PM
IRS finds yet another Lois Lerner email account

Lois Lerner had yet another personal email account used to conduct some IRS business, the tax agency confirmed in a new court filing late Monday that further complicates the administration’s efforts to be transparent about Ms. Lerner’s actions during the tea party targeting scandal.

The admission came in an open-records lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative public interest law firm that has sued to get a look at emails Ms. Lerner sent during the targeting.

IRS lawyer Geoffrey J. Klimas told the court that as the agency was putting together a set of documents to turn over to Judicial Watch, it realized Ms. Lerner had used yet another email account, in addition to her official one and another personal one already known to the agency.


“In addition to emails to or from an email account denominated ‘Lois G. Lerner‘ or ‘Lois Home,’ some emails responsive to Judicial Watch’s request may have been sent to or received from a personal email account denominated ‘Toby Miles,’” Mr. Klimas told Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, who is hearing the case.

It is unclear who Toby Miles is, but Mr. Klimas said the IRS has concluded that was “a personal email account used by Lerner.”

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, said it was stunning the agency was just now admitting the existence of the address.


“It is simply astonishing that years after this scandal erupted we are learning about an account Lois Lerner used that evidently hadn’t been searched,” he said, accusing the IRS of hiding Lerner-related information throughout — including the existence of the backup tapes of her official email account, which the agency’s inspector general easily found once it went looking for them.

Mr. Klimas didn’t respond to an email seeking comment Monday evening, and a spokeswoman for the tax agency didn’t respond to an email and phone call.

On Tuesday, the agency released a short statement saying the email address was known to Capitol Hill before this.

In his court filing, Mr. Klimas argued that the IRS had previously hinted there may be other personal email accounts, pointing back to a footnote in a letter attached to a June 27, 2014, brief that mentioned “documents located on her personal home computer and email on her personal email account.”

He altered that wording in his filing Monday, saying the database of Lerner emails turned over to Congress included messages from her “‘personal home computer and email on her personal email’ account(s).”

The use of secret or extra email accounts has bedeviled the Obama administration, which is has tried to fend off a slew of lawsuits involving former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and her top aides, the White House’s top science adviser, top Environmental Protection Agency officials and the IRS.

Those cases have flooded the federal district court in Washington. Indeed, Judge Sullivan, who is handling the current IRS case, is also presiding over Judicial Watch’s lawsuit seeking Mrs. Clinton’s emails.

Last week, Judge Sullivan ordered the State Department to talk to the FBI about trying to recover messages that Mrs. Clinton may have kept on the email server she ran out of her home in New York.

Mr. Fitton said just as Mrs. Clinton is facing questions over whether she kept classified information on her non-secure email account, Ms. Lerner should face questions about whether she exchanged protected taxpayer information from personal email accounts.

Ms. Lerner’s emails became an issue after she was singled out as a key figure in the IRS’s treatment of tea party and conservative groups who sought tax-exempt status. The IRS improperly delayed hundreds of applications and sent out intrusive questionnaires asking what the agency now says were inappropriate inquiries.

In the wake of the scandal Ms. Lerner retired from the agency. She declined to testify to Congress, citing her right against self-incrimination, but also said she did not break the law.

The Obama administration has declined to pursue the contempt of Congress case that the House brought against her.

The House Ways and Means Committee also approved a criminal referral asking the Justice Department to look into Ms. Lerner’s conduct, but its status is not clear.

Mr. Obama has said the problems at the IRS stemmed from bad laws and lack of funding, not from political bias, and a bipartisan report from the Senate Finance Committee could not reach any firm conclusions about the extent of targeting.

Curiously, the Ways and Means Committee criminal referral mentioned the Toby Miles email address, identified as tobomatic@msn.com. The address came to light because it was included on an email that also had Ms. Lerner’s official account on the chain of recipients.

An email sent to the msn.com address Monday night went unanswered.

At the time of the referral in April 2014, the committee linked the Toby Miles address to Ms. Lerner’s husband, Michael R. Miles, but said, “The source of the name ‘Toby‘ is not known.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/24/irs-finds-yet-another-lois-lerner-email-account/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/24/irs-finds-yet-another-lois-lerner-email-account/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on August 25, 2015, 07:01:05 PM
Democrats or republicans, it's obvious we need big changes in Wash D.C.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on August 25, 2015, 08:30:25 PM
Impeached , fired, whatever.  He doesn't deserve to be working in the federal government.  If Trump is elected he better run fast.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on August 26, 2015, 09:11:37 AM
Democrats or republicans, it's obvious we need big changes in Wash D.C.

Which is why Trump has become so popular. 

I believe he even has some Democrat followers that are tired of the same old crap.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on August 26, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
lets hope college kids don't vote.  They all seems to like Bernie.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on August 26, 2015, 04:25:08 PM
lets hope college kids don't vote.  They all seems to like Bernie.

They all liked Obama too.

I guess they like Unemployment.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 26, 2015, 04:44:52 PM
Which is why Trump has become so popular. 

I believe he even has some Democrat followers that are tired of the same old crap.

I believe you are correct
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
They all liked Obama too.

I guess they like Unemployment.

LOL you love Bush and defend him to the death, yet he was in charge for the biggest economic collapse since the great depression.  But... but, you are "independent" and vote for any party LOLOLOLOLOL yeah, right.  Take the partisan blinders off and see the world as it is not as you lie it is.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on August 26, 2015, 05:24:06 PM
LOL you love Bush and defend him to the death, yet he was in charge for the biggest economic collapse since the great depression.  But... but, you are "independent" and vote for any party LOLOLOLOLOL yeah, right.  Take the partisan blinders off and see the world as it is not as you lie it is.

This is just further truth you are just a Troll.

You have no desire to contribute to a discussion - you just want to attack other posters.

How pitiful.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on August 26, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
One more time Ducky.  The democrats changed the rules led by Barney Franks to let everyone borrow money and allowed Fannie and Fredie to buy up all the bad mortgages from the big banks that he forced to loan the money.   2 years before it tanked Bush told Franks to put an end to it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 06:31:47 PM
This is just further truth you are just a Troll.

You have no desire to contribute to a discussion - you just want to attack other posters.

How pitiful.

They all liked Obama too.

I guess they like Unemployment.

LOL, yep to the self proclaimed god 24/7 talking off topic, insulting the president, making up lies and making up what other people think to support his lies... that is on topic.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 06:36:20 PM
One more time Ducky.  The democrats changed the rules led by Barney Franks to let everyone borrow money and allowed Fannie and Fredie to buy up all the bad mortgages from the big banks that he forced to loan the money.   2 years before it tanked Bush told Franks to put an end to it.

This is just further truth you are just a Troll.

You have no desire to contribute to a discussion - you just want to attack other posters.

How pitiful.

But, even though your fellow republican doesn't like you posting off topic....


Amusing to the millionth degree.  I love how you "independents" that swear you are not republicans defend your former republican president saying soeone else is to blame.  But, even when Obama has no clue of something, has no way to be blamed, you stick to the partisan rant that the president alone is to blame.  You are hilarious.

I see, you think that one person, alone, out of all of the house, senate, and white house, one person changed a law in place for decades, just so you could say it was all his fault.  Wow, you not republican independents" are amazing in your duplicity.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 26, 2015, 08:26:13 PM
But, even when Obama has no clue of something, has no way to be blamed, you stick to the partisan rant that the president alone is to blame.  You are hilarious.


Well you have it right that Obama had no clue -
however the topic of how he or his administration is handling the IRS email fiasco is news whether you think it is or not. 

The coincidence of emails being destroyed when an investigation is ongoing is becoming a theme...     Pleading the 5th only shows that it was done intentionally. 

I'm sure the judge was amused to learn of more shenanigans by the IRS  8)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 08:51:14 PM
Well you have it right that Obama had no clue -


Oh, a fox job.  Just take what someone says, chop it up and a LIE to make it something else.  That is the troll you want to be.  Why do you find it amusing to make something I said into a lie for you to troll with?  Too many 24/7 lessons?

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however the topic of how he or his administration is handling the IRS email fiasco is news whether you think it is or not. 

Is there something new, or your usual lies you refuse to see are lies you swallowed so you can troll?

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The coincidence of emails being destroyed when an investigation is ongoing is becoming a theme...     Pleading the 5th only shows that it was done intentionally.


I'm sure the judge was amused to learn of more shenanigans by the IRS  8)

Ohh, I have not seen any emails that were destroyed to cover up evidence.  Where are they so I can see them.

You do remember that your republicans 88 of them in the white house had 22 million of them deleted to cover up crimes.  Oh, that's right, in the pastby your people so it is all good.

Carry on, I am sure fox will tell you how to spin it next.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
Well you have it right that Obama had no clue -
however the topic of how he or his administration is handling the IRS email fiasco is news whether you think it is or not. 

The coincidence of emails being destroyed when an investigation is ongoing is becoming a theme...     Pleading the 5th only shows that it was done intentionally. 

I'm sure the judge was amused to learn of more shenanigans by the IRS  8)

BTW troll boy, you fellow republcian blue2 was the one off topic.  You failed to chastise him.

Also, it was your fellow republican blue2 blaming someone other than the president in charge (Bush) for the economic collapse, yet everything anyone anywhere in the government does anything YOU and your fellow republicans make sure it is only Obama and no one else even if he DID NOT KNOW IT.  That is different than you making up that I said he was unintelligent and had no factual information.  You know like how clueless you are?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on August 26, 2015, 09:14:38 PM
So I guess you don't believe Barney Franks had anything whatsoever to do with the housing meltdown.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 09:25:43 PM
So I guess you don't believe Barney Franks had anything whatsoever to do with the housing meltdown.

Here is the big problem with your lie.  It makes like Barney Frank and only Barney Frank was responsible for the economic meltdown.  YOU and YOU here claim Bush was innocent and it was just Barney Frank.  Apparently he can make laws all by himself and Bush as president didn't have to sign or veto a thing.

The second part... YOU claim anything anyone in any part of government that does something is Obama's fault. Anything and everything, and some that never did exist.  Yet, YOU make up that Bush bears no blame.  What a moron.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 26, 2015, 09:27:31 PM

Oh, a fox job.  Just take what someone says, chop it up and a LIE to make it something else.  That is the troll you want to be.  Why do you find it amusing to make something I said into a lie for you to troll with?  Too many 24/7 lessons?

Is there something new, or your usual lies you refuse to see are lies you swallowed so you can troll?

Ohh, I have not seen any emails that were destroyed to cover up evidence.  Where are they so I can see them.

You do remember that your republicans 88 of them in the white house had 22 million of them deleted to cover up crimes.  Oh, that's right, in the pastby your people so it is all good.

Carry on, I am sure fox will tell you how to spin it next.


Well I'll highlight if you prefer - although it's usually easier to just snip the parts you wish to comment on - as most reasonable people will know it comes from a previous post...

Here's the point with the fox fetish removed from your post

"Something new..."  you ask - how about Yesterday's post  on a Monday article
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IRS finds yet another Lois Lerner email account

Lois Lerner had yet another personal email account used to conduct some IRS business, the tax agency confirmed in a new court filing late Monday that further complicates the administration’s efforts to be transparent about Ms. Lerner’s actions during the tea party targeting scandal.


As far as your quest to find the missing or destroyed e-mails...

The Lois Lerner Emails That Were Lost Forever After Her Hard Drive Crashed Have Miraculously Reappeared

From the article:
Earlier this year, the emails in question were thought to be lost after Lerner’s hard drive had “crashed” and had been recycled, which apparently meant it was unable to be recovered due to a claimed, six-month lifespan of all back-up emails and files

and...
The emails of Lois Lerner that had been feared to have been lost forever in the bowels of the internet for all of eternity have now been found and recovered by the IRS Inspector General.

On Friday, the U.S. Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) announced to congressional staffers that the emails had been discovered among “disaster recovery tapes” which are used as backup for the IRS email system. From the Washington Examiner:

“They just said it took them several weeks and some forensic effort to get these emails off these tapes,” a congressional aide told the Washington Examiner.
Up to 30,000 emails have been discovered

entire article at:
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/206318-elusive-lois-lerner-emails-finally-recovered/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/206318-elusive-lois-lerner-emails-finally-recovered/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 09:28:41 PM
In five emails that date to Condoleezza Rice's tenure as secretary of state during the George W. Bush administration, large chunks are censored on the grounds that they contain classified national security or foreign government information.



In a  December 2006 email, diplomat John J. Hillmeyer appears to have pasted the text of a confidential cable from Beijing about China's dealings with Iran and other sensitive matters. Large portions of the email were marked classified and censored before release.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1a67b7bfbe9c44628abd35236f12723c/state-department-officials-routinely-sent-secrets-over (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1a67b7bfbe9c44628abd35236f12723c/state-department-officials-routinely-sent-secrets-over)

What did Colin Powell post.  We don't know, they were ALL deleted.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 09:31:13 PM
Well I'll highlight if you prefer - although it's usually easier to just snip the parts you wish to comment on - as most reasonable people will know it comes from a previous post...

Here's the point with the fox fetish removed from your post

"Something new..."  you ask - how about Yesterday's post  on a Monday article
As far as your quest to find the missing or destroyed e-mails...

The Lois Lerner Emails That Were Lost Forever After Her Hard Drive Crashed Have Miraculously Reappeared

From the article:
Earlier this year, the emails in question were thought to be lost after Lerner’s hard drive had “crashed” and had been recycled, which apparently meant it was unable to be recovered due to a claimed, six-month lifespan of all back-up emails and files

and...
The emails of Lois Lerner that had been feared to have been lost forever in the bowels of the internet for all of eternity have now been found and recovered by the IRS Inspector General.

On Friday, the U.S. Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) announced to congressional staffers that the emails had been discovered among “disaster recovery tapes” which are used as backup for the IRS email system. From the Washington Examiner:

“They just said it took them several weeks and some forensic effort to get these emails off these tapes,” a congressional aide told the Washington Examiner.
Up to 30,000 emails have been discovered

entire article at:
[url]http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/206318-elusive-lois-lerner-emails-finally-recovered/[/url] ([url]http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/206318-elusive-lois-lerner-emails-finally-recovered/[/url])


Wait, so all those years you screamed and cried because the emails were gone from a private company backup system.  Now you are crying because some were found?  Wow, you cry any way you can for fox.

Post the contents that are incriminating.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: T-M-T on August 26, 2015, 09:44:01 PM
So I guess you don't believe Barney Franks had anything whatsoever to do with the housing meltdown.

So you honestly believe that one member of the minority party for the first six years of Bush's presidency was responsible for the housing crisis? Amazing that one man could be so powerful, yet you can't even remember his name (there has never been a congressman named Barney Franks).

Why didn't the Repubs fix the problem(s) while they held the House, the Senate AND the White House from 2001-2007?  Maybe you should look at those Repubs and their Wall Street donors.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 26, 2015, 09:48:18 PM
Wait, so all those years you screamed and cried because the emails were gone from a private company backup system.  Now you are crying because some were found?  Wow, you cry any way you can for fox.

Post the contents that are incriminating.

All those years?   private server...   you apparently don't know much about Lerner do you... 

Take your fox fetish blinders off and re-read...   
it was her hard drive crash that the IRS was seemingly having a hard time finding the backup of...     convenient eh?     I'm sure the emails that are coming out will be incriminating - after all she knew the contents and plead the 5th...
why else would someone plead the 5th?

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 26, 2015, 10:01:48 PM
All those years?   private server...   you apparently don't know much about Lerner do you... 

Take your fox fetish blinders off and re-read...   
it was her hard drive crash that the IRS was seemingly having a hard time finding the backup of...     convenient eh?     I'm sure the emails that are coming out will be incriminating - after all she knew the contents and plead the 5th...
why else would someone plead the 5th?


Fox news told her to take the 5th, doncha know?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 26, 2015, 10:04:11 PM

The IRS looked everywhere for Lerner emails, but their back-up data center in WV.

Nixon only erased minutes of a tape, but the IRS erased hundreds of complete back-up tapes while they were under investigation.

IRS erased Lois Lerner’s emails even after subpoena, audit says

[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/25/irs-erased-emails-even-after-subpoena-audit/?page=all[/url] ([url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/25/irs-erased-emails-even-after-subpoena-audit/?page=all[/url])
Duck says "more Fox lies". Lies is his new buzzword. He changes his buzzwords regularly.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 10:13:15 PM
All those years?   private server...   you apparently don't know much about Lerner do you... 

Take your fox fetish blinders off and re-read...   
it was her hard drive crash that the IRS was seemingly having a hard time finding the backup of...     convenient eh?     I'm sure the emails that are coming out will be incriminating - after all she knew the contents and plead the 5th...
why else would someone plead the 5th?

Wait, is THAT what fox is telling you now?  Wow, I didn't read that one.

The crashed computer was her official government one.... not her private at home one.  The emails that backed up the official IRS computer was a private backup company that lost them.

She was found to be wrong.  Did you forget that?  The investigation said she was wrong. 

Why does it matter if there COULD be something more for proof when it was already shown she was wrong.

Ohhhh you want her to tell Obama directly or some such LIES.  Get a life not near smart enough to be called Professor. 

See, YOUR REPUBLICANS had private emails they used.  YOUR REPUBLICANS had a gaggle in the white house using a private server.  YOUR REPUBLICANS deleted 22 MILLION emails to hide their crimes. 

The only thing new is that you excuse it when it is YOUR REPUBLICANS and cry and moan for years when it is a democrat.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 10:17:51 PM

The IRS looked everywhere for Lerner emails, but their back-up data center in WV.

Nixon only erased minutes of a tape, but the IRS erased hundreds of complete back-up tapes while they were under investigation.

IRS erased Lois Lerner’s emails even after subpoena, audit says

[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/25/irs-erased-emails-even-after-subpoena-audit/?page=all[/url] ([url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/25/irs-erased-emails-even-after-subpoena-audit/?page=all[/url])


But 22 MILLION you forget.  You forget that Cheney deleted 3 days off of government servers.  everything, for the three days of Plame.

It was wrong to delete them.  Someone should finally make a law so it can't happen, and that all people in government must use government servers and not be able to delete.

Like should have happened when YOUR REPUBLICANS deleted 22 million of them off of private servers and who knows how much off of government servers.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 10:19:23 PM
Duck says "more Fox lies". Lies is his new buzzword. He changes his buzzwords regularly.

A lie is a lie unless sammy says it isn't a lie so he can yip.

If your republican buddies tell lies that were shown to be lies when fox or other right wing sites said them, why should it not be a lie simply because you like fox news?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 10:22:42 PM
So you honestly believe that one member of the minority party for the first six years of Bush's presidency was responsible for the housing crisis? Amazing that one man could be so powerful, yet you can't even remember his name (there has never been a congressman named Barney Franks).

Why didn't the Repubs fix the problem(s) while they held the House, the Senate AND the White House from 2001-2007?  Maybe you should look at those Repubs and their Wall Street donors.

They all play that one it seems.  They don't even realize when it is pointed out that they excuse Bush by blaming someone else, but blame Obama even if it was something he did not know about.  They are just too partisan to see reality.

Why wouldn't one person make a law and force every republican including Bush to vote for it.  There is no way that the Republican majority in the Senate, House, and White House could possibly have done a thing to fix it.  He is just too powerful for them.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 26, 2015, 10:27:29 PM
A lie is a lie unless sammy says it isn't a lie so he can yip.

If your republican buddies tell lies that were shown to be lies when fox or other right wing sites said them, why should it not be a lie simply because you like fox news?
Six" lies" in one two-sentence post. He just can't help himself. sammy never said anything was or was not a lie. Try to get a hold on yourself.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 10:29:23 PM
Six" lies" in one two-sentence post. He just can't help himself.

Oh cool a word count, and you refuse to answer the question i see.  Typical republican.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 26, 2015, 10:30:45 PM
Oh cool a word count, and you refuse to answer the question i see.  Typical republican.
Typical democrat.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 10:35:13 PM
Typical democrat.

Yeah, I know it is silly to expect an answer instead of an insult. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 10:36:30 PM
Citation required. 

The IG went to the IRS Data Center in Martinsburg, WV where they discovered that they erased all of backups.

I think we are talking different things here.  But, either way, I am done providing links when they are ignored anyway.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 26, 2015, 10:46:08 PM
Yeah, I know it is silly to expect an answer instead of an insult. 
Yeah, I know it is silly to expect an answer instead of an insult. 
So my reply was an insult while yours was not? You are too ridiculous to insult. You are a clueless partisan, no matter how many links you post.Lies, lies, lies. Three for me.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 26, 2015, 10:59:13 PM
So my reply was an insult while yours was not? You are too ridiculous to insult. You are a clueless partisan, no matter how many links you post.Lies, lies, lies. Three for me.

Gotcha.  Sammy can insult but I cannot.  Got it.

Sammy can come into a converstainon NEVER talking on topic just to yip about whatever I said, just because it makes him feel good to yip.

Whwen asked a question Sammy refuses because I am partisan and he refuses to answer because it would show him to be partisan.  Ohhhhhhh.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 26, 2015, 11:08:18 PM
Gotcha.  Sammy can insult but I cannot.  Got it.

Sammy can come into a converstainon NEVER talking on topic just to yip about whatever I said, just because it makes him feel good to yip.

Whwen asked a question Sammy refuses because I am partisan and he refuses to answer because it would show him to be partisan.  Ohhhhhhh.
Night, Duck.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 27, 2015, 08:18:11 AM


Citation required. 

The IG went to the IRS Data Center in Martinsburg, WV where they discovered that they erased all of backups.
Nah  Duck is above silly things like citations...   

They just get in the way of his version of things
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 27, 2015, 08:43:45 AM
Wait, is THAT what fox is telling you now?  Wow, I didn't read that one.

The crashed computer was her official government one.... not her private at home one.  The emails that backed up the official IRS computer was a private backup company that lost them.

She was found to be wrong.  Did you forget that?  The investigation said she was wrong. 

Why does it matter if there COULD be something more for proof when it was already shown she was wrong.

Ohhhh you want her to tell Obama directly or some such LIES.  Get a life not near smart enough to be called Professor. 

See, YOUR REPUBLICANS had private emails they used.  YOUR REPUBLICANS had a gaggle in the white house using a private server.  YOUR REPUBLICANS deleted 22 MILLION emails to hide their crimes. 

The only thing new is that you excuse it when it is YOUR REPUBLICANS and cry and moan for years when it is a democrat.

Wow -   did we tip a little last night?

Sad that you can't even carry on a coherent conversation anymore... 

I have conceded that the Rove email erasures were wrong... 
but that ruins your ability to rant on that so you ignore it.

In fact there was regulations passed to ensure it wouldn't again!

CFR › Title 36 › Chapter XII › Subchapter B › Part 1236 › Subpart C › Section 1236.22
36 CFR 1236.22 - What are the additional requirements for managing electronic mail records?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/1236.22 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/1236.22)

It's pesky regulations and back up systems that are creating problems for Hillary and Lerner - the topic of the thread!
Can't have it both ways - condemn the Republicans in 2007 - yet excuse Hillary


 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on August 27, 2015, 08:55:27 AM
Nah  Duck is above silly things like citations...   

They just get in the way of his version of things

Duck is a legend in his own mind.  His drivel has become boring. 

I don't even respond to his posts any more, unless it's telling him to go have sexual intercourse with himself.

It's not worth my time.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 27, 2015, 09:35:03 AM
Duck is a legend in his own mind.  His drivel has become boring. 

I don't even respond to his posts any more, unless it's telling him to go have sexual intercourse with himself.

It's not worth my time.
Its a shame that he lost the ability to discern what a healthy debate is and the ability to conduct himself as an adult. 

While from time to time most on here have insulted or attacked someone for a short while - it happens during the natural progression as passions arise over certain topics.

his demeanor has grown to calling anyone and everyone a liar as well as an unhealthy fox fetish...  regardless of the topic

I wish him well in health and family and hope that someday he can return to be a productive member here.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 27, 2015, 01:50:01 PM
Wow -   did we tip a little last night?

Hey, cool another insult troll.  Your buddie republicans also insult with drugs, or not taking drugs.  Anything you or they can use top insult is good for you.

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Sad that you can't even carry on a coherent conversation anymore... 

show one time in the last 6 months you tried to talk not even close to a professor.  You refuse to accept anything I have cited, clearly not reading them over and over, and then saying you did and ignoring what it said.  That is your way, troll it to piss off.  Troll it and ignore so they get frustrated.  Lie about what people said because it amuses you to piss them off.

Yet, you don't talk.

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I have conceded that the Rove email erasures were wrong... 
but that ruins your ability to rant on that so you ignore it.

Yes, you did and then continue to do your partisan rants as if they never did. But, why should that matter.  You don't get that I didn't like it when your guys did or mine, but you can't admit they still go on because your republicans swept it under the rug when they did it and they did nothing to prevent it in the future.  YOu boys did it and it was good, but now it is bad, only because it is "them" just like you do.

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In fact there was regulations passed to ensure it wouldn't again!

CFR › Title 36 › Chapter XII › Subchapter B › Part 1236 › Subpart C › Section 1236.22
36 CFR 1236.22 - What are the additional requirements for managing electronic mail records?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/1236.22 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/1236.22)

It's pesky regulations and back up systems that are creating problems for Hillary and Lerner - the topic of the thread!
Can't have it both ways - condemn the Republicans in 2007 - yet excuse Hillary


 

Sadly, you still won't accept fact will you.  Oh, well, carry on troll.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 27, 2015, 01:52:26 PM
Duck is a legend in his own mind.  His drivel has become boring. 

I don't even respond to his posts any more, unless it's telling him to go have sexual intercourse with himself.

It's not worth my time.
Your good friend who knows you outside MT as a person informed me that you are highly mentally unstable and were seeking violence because you were being shown to be a liar and insulting bully.  He informed me that your fragile mental condition could not handle being told the truth.

I thought about it and don't want to be even partially responsible when you go postal.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 27, 2015, 01:57:38 PM
Its a shame that he lost the ability to discern what a healthy debate is and the ability to conduct himself as an adult. 

Show me once where I provided links showing what you were repeating was lies and you actually read and accepted it.  Just once?  Your "talk" consists of 100% trolling and no talk,.

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While from time to time most on here have insulted or attacked someone for a short while - it happens during the natural progression as passions arise over certain topics.

his demeanor has grown to calling anyone and everyone a liar as well as an unhealthy fox fetish...  regardless of the topic

I wish him well in health and family and hope that someday he can return to be a productive member here.

How many pages did you troll me with in climate.  I think three.  You were good.  I mean that as a compliment.  I thought you wanted to talk and your game of not reading links or ignoring them was really not understanding.  You played me good and I believed you.  But, it did end believing you actually tried to talk and instead only want to troll to upset people. 

Since that day you have ignored 100% of any links showing you are wrong in what you are saying.  You demand I show links, waste my time, and refuse to read them, or ignore them anyway as if you didn't.

That isn't "talk"
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 27, 2015, 02:27:47 PM
Her I will help you not a professor troll.

On April 12, 2007, Rove’s operation admitted that it had deleted at least 5 million emails from the server. In December 2009, technicians who had http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/examined (http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/examined) the server reported that the number of emails that had been deleted was far greater — 22 million.

Goodie, now it is all forgiven because Rove admitted he deleted 5 million of the 22 million emails on the rnc private server that 88 people of the white house used.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 27, 2015, 02:44:18 PM
Show me once where I provided links showing what you were repeating was lies and you actually read and accepted it.  Just once?  Your "talk" consists of 100% trolling and no talk,.

How many pages did you troll me with in climate.  I think three.  You were good.  I mean that as a compliment.  I thought you wanted to talk and your game of not reading links or ignoring them was really not understanding.  You played me good and I believed you.  But, it did end believing you actually tried to talk and instead only want to troll to upset people. 

Since that day you have ignored 100% of any links showing you are wrong in what you are saying.  You demand I show links, waste my time, and refuse to read them, or ignore them anyway as if you didn't.

That isn't "talk"

Funny you speak of all the citations - yet looking at the thread I don't see them... 

In fact the last citations you provided are back on page 17 of this thread
http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2015/nr15-23.html (http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2015/nr15-23.html)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy)

I conceded on the 07 emails that they were wrong - but that apparently isn't enough for you.   
and agree on the archive changes to the Federal Register - to help clean up the mess from Clinton's scandal

You agree on the 2014 changes to the presidential records act - but fail to see any relevance for Clinton on the 2005 State Department regulations
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/88404.pdf (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/88404.pdf)

or the 2009 federal  National Archives Rules

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/hillary-clinton-state-department-emails (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/hillary-clinton-state-department-emails)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 27, 2015, 02:47:14 PM
Her I will help you not a professor troll.

On April 12, 2007, Rove’s operation admitted that it had deleted at least 5 million emails from the server. In December 2009, technicians who had [url]http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/examined[/url] ([url]http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/examined[/url]) the server reported that the number of emails that had been deleted was far greater — 22 million.

Goodie, now it is all forgiven because Rove admitted he deleted 5 million of the 22 million emails on the rnc private server that 88 people of the white house used.


Yep - Rove did it - and the changes to policies and regulations came around because of it!

LOL  so now that's settled what's your opinion on Hillaries deliberate ignoring Federal regulations,  white house directives, or State Department policies?

beyond the fact that she is now wanting to run for even higher office - some might call that a little bit different perspective. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 27, 2015, 03:01:56 PM
Funny you speak of all the citations - yet looking at the thread I don't see them... 

In fact the last citations you provided are back on page 17 of this thread
[url]http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2015/nr15-23.html[/url] ([url]http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2015/nr15-23.html[/url])
and
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy[/url])

I conceded on the 07 emails that they were wrong - but that apparently isn't enough for you.   You show posts of citiation you ignored for many posts and pages so you could continue the trolling.
But, it is awesome of you to post links you ignored while saying I didn't post links.


and agree on the archive changes to the Federal Register - to help clean up the mess from Clinton's scandal


Really, you finally did?  Gosh after several pages of you denying and ignoring... wow, you should be commended for accepting it FINALLY.   Now you say I made no citations since then because you finally admitted them after LYING and IGNORING over and over and over.  Now, someone might call that trolling on purpose to piss people off. 


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You agree on the 2014 changes to the presidential records act - but fail to see any relevance for Clinton on the 2005 State Department regulations
[url]http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/88404.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/88404.pdf[/url])

or the 2009 federal  National Archives Rules

[url]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/hillary-clinton-state-department-emails[/url] ([url]http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/hillary-clinton-state-department-emails[/url])


I have no problem at all seeing the rules were changed.  Just a tiny note, you do realize your republicans - 88 in the Bush white house - continued using their private server?  Did you catch that part of how it said preserve and they deleted 22 million emails?

But, apparently Rove apologized so it is all okay.

What you fail to see is that I am objecting to YOU.  YOU continue to make hay over clinton and according to YOU rove apologized so it was all forgiven.

If your republicans were not allowed to sweep it under the rug, it would have been illegal for Clinton.  Or, could have been made illegal. 

Sadly, the reality is, you and your republicans did sweep it under the rug.  Ignored how bad it was and forgave them because Rove apparently apologized.   Yet, NOW you and the rest of the republicans go on and on and on day after day with he exact same LIES. 

I mean goes not a professor.  I can get saying it was wrong of so and so and it should not have been done.  But look at YOU.  day after day, making things up just to continue to bleat it over and over.  I get it.  You don't like Hillary and want to cry about something she did that your republicans did way way way worse and it was okay and don't talk about it or do anything because rove apologized.

I argue with you being a two faced partisan, not that clinton should not have been using a private server.  ALL people in government, even your republicans should use government servers only, and not be able to delete from government servers like the Bush people did.  ALL of them, not just the ones you don't like.

Can YOU understand that troll? It isn't that I don't get it, as you accuse.  It isn't that I am supposedly partisan.  It is that specifically YOU are partisan.  YOU want to cry over and over forever without end what you excuse your party for.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 27, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
You made a lot of insinuations without anything to support... 
I've been pretty consistent on the issue you keep trying to deflect to - the 2007 emails

Please cite where I said all the things you said I did... 

Surprise!   this is a thread about "DEMOCRATS" and their email "issues"

of course you'll see a lot of posts on that    ;D

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 27, 2015, 03:26:45 PM
You made a lot of insinuations without anything to support... 
I've been pretty consistent on the issue you keep trying to deflect to - the 2007 emails
see your own citation.  It is closer than your lies.

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Please cite where I said all the things you said I did... 

Oh, back to that again, can't argue topic so go play that.  Look at anything you say, look where fox or the rest of the right wing echo machine said it yesterday.  Oh, yeah, but as you claim, you said it original, you live in dc so you know.  Fox and the rest of the right just copied what you said before you said it.

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Surprise!   this is a thread about "DEMOCRATS" and their email "issues"

of course you'll see a lot of posts on that    ;D

Yes, I get it.  If republicans did it, and did it far far worse, it is all okay.

If anyone democrat did it even a tiny bit, if you make up lies anyway, then it has to be bleatd for years and years.

Congratulations, you are now fox news and don't care about anything but republican partisan spin.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on August 27, 2015, 08:33:23 PM
Your good friend who knows you outside MT as a person informed me that you are highly mentally unstable and were seeking violence because you were being shown to be a liar and insulting bully.  He informed me that your fragile mental condition could not handle being told the truth.

I thought about it and don't want to be even partially responsible when you go postal.

My goodness, it must have taken you hours to dream up that lie.

IF someone did tell you that (which I don't believe), they are no friend of mine, and they don't know me at all.

But whatever. You have a nice day, Ducky!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 27, 2015, 08:41:32 PM
Your good friend who knows you outside MT as a person informed me that you are highly mentally unstable and were seeking violence because you were being shown to be a liar and insulting bully.  He informed me that your fragile mental condition could not handle being told the truth.

I thought about it and don't want to be even partially responsible when you go postal.
You're completely off your rocker.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on August 27, 2015, 09:39:54 PM
I wonder if that is the same person who told Fuzz I have no friends and no one likes me?

 ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on August 28, 2015, 09:34:00 AM
Her I will help you not a professor troll.

On April 12, 2007, Rove’s operation admitted that it had deleted at least 5 million emails from the server. In December 2009, technicians who had [url]http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/examined[/url] ([url]http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/examined[/url]) the server reported that the number of emails that had been deleted was far greater — 22 million.

Goodie, now it is all forgiven because Rove admitted he deleted 5 million of the 22 million emails on the rnc private server that 88 people of the white house used.


The blog site that you referenced link to this story as their source:

22 million missing Bush White House e-mails found

Computer technicians have found 22 million missing White House e-mails from the administration of President George W. Bush, according to two groups that are settling lawsuits they filed over the failure by the Bush White House to install an electronic record keeping system.

The two groups made the announcement as they settled lawsuits that they filed against the Executive Office of the President in 2007.

But the public might not see any of the e-mails for quite some time because they will now go through the National Archives normal process for releasing presidential and agency records.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20091214/NEWS/912149977/ (http://www.telegram.com/article/20091214/NEWS/912149977/)

How does finding 22 million emails equate to your cited source claiming these emails were deleted?

"In December 2009, technicians who had examined the server reported that the number of emails that had been deleted was far greater — 22 million."

It appears your blog site has a lower accuracy rate than your fetish Fox.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 28, 2015, 03:32:12 PM
And this is the stuff she couldn't hide! 

busy busy busy - sending and receiving emails from staff to staff -  nothing sensitive however... Hard work dealing with such topics as:
that pesky death of an ambassador
raising money and working on the slush fund


Mixing work with fund raising...   all blamed on the fact she didn't want to have to carry around a second phone  ;D

===============================================
Washington (CNN)Ten days after the 2012 Benghazi terrorist attacks, the top foreign policy adviser at the Clinton Foundation had a potentially lucrative proposal on which to seek guidance from Hillary Clinton's aides at the State Department.

The email from Amitabh Desai to Cheryl Mills, chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Clinton, describes a pitch by Stella O'Leary, a Democratic donor active in Irish American causes.

O'Leary, according to Desai's email, said Clinton had "firmly instructed" her to set up a not-for-profit organization -- one that qualifies for 501(c)3 status under U.S. tax laws -- called Friends of the Clinton Centre.

In his email, Desai says: "I also asked if the new org could be flexible so that any funding raised could be used in whatever manner WJC" -- the initials of former President Bill Clinton -- "and HRC wish in Ireland and Northern Ireland, and not restricted to support only the current iteration of the Clinton Centre in Enniskillen."

The email is among dozens that have been turned over by the State Department to the conservative advocacy group Citizens United, which has filed several lawsuits seeking documents under the Freedom of Information Act. The group says the documents could help provide information about how they allege Clinton and her aides mixed State Department business with the Clinton Foundation's fundraising efforts.

It's an issue that has dented the image of Clinton's presidential campaign. Clinton's use of a private email server for government business while she ran the State Department has now grown into a controversy and has spawned an FBI investigation.

Desai's email from September 21, 2012, provided to CNN by Citizens United, includes details of how the new organization would be overseen by board members drawn from other parts of the Clinton orbit, including officials from the Clinton Foundation, such as longtime Clinton friend Doug Band.

Citizens United did not provide CNN with an exhaustive inventory of all emails it has recovered from the State Department. It first provided some to The Washington Post, which published a story on Thursday afternoon.

But officials at Citizens United say the emails show discussion of a proposal to establish a "slush fund" for use by the Clintons. The email chain doesn't provide any indication of how Clinton or her aides followed up on the idea.

O'Leary, in a phone interview with CNN, laughed at the idea her proposal would be interpreted as a slush fund. She doesn't specifically remember the details of the email but said she established the 501(c)3 organization with approval from the Clintons. She said it has raised about $55,000 for an international summer school program to bring kids from the Balkans and other conflict zones to Northern Ireland.

It was, O'Leary says, "a good-will effort on my part to honor him for everything he has done in Northern Ireland."

O'Leary suggested that Clinton opponents are using the Clinton name and the email controversy to raise money. The Clintons are "the easiest people around which to make money," she said.

The timing of the email discussion is also notable because at the time, Clinton was wrestling with the beginnings of the controversy over the Benghazi terrorism attacks.

Mills sent Desai's inquiry on to Huma Abedin, another Clinton aide at the State Department, with a comment saying that the proposal was new to Mills.

Abedin, in turn, copied another Clinton aide, Jake Sullivan, noting that Sullivan was in the meeting at which Clinton and O'Leary had discussed the Friends of the Clinton Centre proposal. Abedin adds that Clinton hadn't made any commitments to the O'Leary proposal.

The Clinton Centre is a conference facility built on the site of the 1987 IRA Remembrance Day bombing in Enniskillen, Northern Ireland. President Clinton, who helped broker the Irish peace accords, dedicated the building to peace in Ireland.

New York state corporate records list a group called Friends of the Clinton Centre, registered as a not-for-profit organization in 2013. The address for the organization is that of a New York City personal-injury law firm. O'Leary confirmed that was the organization she founded.

A Clinton campaign spokesman referred questions about the O'Leary proposal to the Clinton Foundation. A person familiar with the matter said the Friends of the Clinton Centre isn't affiliated with the Clinton Foundation.

Another batch of emails from 2012 sent by Abedin detail her efforts to help organize dinners in Ireland during a visit by Hillary Clinton.

The emails sent by Abedin on her State Department email account include discussions about dinners with officials from Teneo, a consulting firm that employed Abedin at the same time she worked for Clinton at the State Department. Abedin had left her official role as a State Department employee but was working as a contractor for both the State Department and Teneo.

The outside consulting work was allowed at the time because Abedin was classified as a special government employee. But the arrangement has drawn controversy and is the subject of investigation by Sen. Chuck Grassley, who says he is concerned it may have violated rules against conflicts of interest.

Teneo was founded by Brand, a longtime Clinton friend who served on the Clinton Foundation board.

"These emails illustrate why there are legitimate concerns about the Department's use of the SGE designation and the blurring of the lines between the official business of the State Department, the private interests of Teneo, and the fundraising interests for various entities under the personal control of Secretary and former President Clinton," Grassley wrote in a letter Wednesday to Abedin.

An attorney for Abedin didn't respond to a request for comment.

Nick Merrill, a Clinton campaign spokesman, rejected the idea that there was anything wrong with Abedin's activities.

"This is someone who has spent nearly two decades in public service, and is widely known for her integrity and tireless work ethic," Merrill said in a statement. "After the birth of her son, she took maternity leave. The IG had questions about the details of her leave, Huma answered. Anything beyond that injected into the public sphere is unfounded and from partisans in Congress with a clear agenda. These emails serve to reinforce that these allegations are baseless. It's not surprising, but it is disappointing."

But David Bossie, president of Citizens United, said, "As a result of federal court orders, Citizens United expects to receive more documents from Hillary Clinton's tenure at the State Department and we look forward to sharing those documents with the American people. It's critical that American's understand how the Clinton machine operated inside the State Department."


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/politics/hillary-clinton-state-department-citizens-united/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/politics/hillary-clinton-state-department-citizens-united/index.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 28, 2015, 10:20:45 PM
AWell, I realize I am breaking the not a professor's edict that I am not allowed to post in this topic unless I am repeatedly condeming ONLY democrats.. apparently only ones running for president.

Because Jeb Bush used private email as governor,and

"Christie Sent Government Emails from Private Account"
http://www.wnyc.org/story/christie-sent-government-emails-private-account/ (http://www.wnyc.org/story/christie-sent-government-emails-private-account/)

OMG the horror of it.   What have i done, saying that TWO republicans running for president used private email for government business.

I should rot in hell or something for not saying it is only democrats like the republicans here. I just bet, since these two are running for president that there is going to be dozens or mre inflammatory posts for year from those same republicans here.  I just know it....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 28, 2015, 10:58:18 PM
AWell, I realize I am breaking the not a professor's edict that I am not allowed to post in this topic unless I am repeatedly condeming ONLY democrats.. apparently only ones running for president.

Because Jeb Bush used private email as governor,and

"Christie Sent Government Emails from Private Account"
[url]http://www.wnyc.org/story/christie-sent-government-emails-private-account/[/url] ([url]http://www.wnyc.org/story/christie-sent-government-emails-private-account/[/url])

OMG the horror of it.   What have i done, saying that TWO republicans running for president used private email for government business.

I should rot in hell or something for not saying it is only democrats like the republicans here. I just bet, since these two are running for president that there is going to be dozens or mre inflammatory posts for year from those same republicans here.  I just know it....
So, did those two governors have their own private SERVERS, and did they wipe them clean when asked about it?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 28, 2015, 11:00:16 PM
Kind of off thread and somewhat arcane but, no matter how much Hillary tries to 'wipe clean', she will never succeed.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 28, 2015, 11:27:17 PM
So, did those two governors have their own private SERVERS, and did they wipe them clean when asked about it?
not to mention they were doing top secret stuff like working with local units of government...  but lets not let facts get in the way when the Clinton slush fund is at stake!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 29, 2015, 03:17:02 PM
So, did those two governors have their own private SERVERS, and did they wipe them clean when asked about it?

Poor little yippy...  How many did rice send.  We know factually she SENT classified documents.  How many did Colin Powell send or receive... We have no clue 100% of his were deleted off private servers....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 29, 2015, 03:56:56 PM
Poor little yippy...  How many did rice send.  We know factually she SENT classified documents.  How many did Colin Powell send or receive... We have no clue 100% of his were deleted off private servers....
I see you declined to answer the question and said"look over there". Typical.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 29, 2015, 04:06:16 PM
"Look"  Puppies...    is always a good thing when you can't answer!

They all did it seems to be the defense.   

They all didn't do it and then decide " hey - I think I'll run for president"

But then again Clintons were never about ethics - just about how much $$ can we make off of this or that venture... 
The emails prove that!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 29, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
"Look"  Puppies...    is always a good thing when you can't answer!

They all did it seems to be the defense.   

They all didn't do it and then decide " hey - I think I'll run for president"

But then again Clintons were never about ethics - just about how much $$ can we make off of this or that venture... 
The emails prove that!


Yeah I get it.  You are partisan and only want to troll day after day how you hate THEM or how scared you are of clinton running.

Yes.  You don't care a bit that your idols did the same or worse because you have a deep need to repeat your partisan hatred daily.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 29, 2015, 05:01:35 PM
Yeah I get it.  You are partisan and only want to troll day after day how you hate THEM or how scared you are of clinton running.

Yes.  You don't care a bit that your idols did the same or worse because you have a deep need to repeat your partisan hatred daily.
While you, being above all that, do NOT repeat your partisan hatred. You're funnier than Bugs Bunny.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 29, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
While you, being above all that, do NOT repeat your partisan hatred. You're funnier than Bugs Bunny.
Well... what a shock...

Sammy came following me around like a lost dog tipping his insults at me and once again nothing on topic as usual.

I find you republicans funny.  I love how you love to accuse others of what you do to deflect it.

Like how you cry racism for saying clearly racist things.

I stated a clear and obvious fact.  Your fellow republicans don't care about fixing a problem.  They don't care that your republicans did the same or far worse.

Sadly for you yippy dog.. I have said they all are wrong many times and actually mean it.  No one in government should use anything but government servers and not be able to delete.  Simple. 

Yet you defend your republican buddies for crying singularly about Hillary.

If you had an ounce of something near non partisan you could say the same.

But, that's okay yipper.  You have to insult an accusation at me to be able to defend you and your republicans from being so partisan.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 29, 2015, 05:50:52 PM
Well... what a shock...

Sammy came following me around like a lost dog tipping his insults at me and once again nothing on topic as usual.

I find you republicans funny.  I love how you love to accuse others of what you do to deflect it.

Like how you cry racism for saying clearly racist things.

I stated a clear and obvious fact.  Your fellow republicans don't care about fixing a problem.  They don't care that your republicans did the same or far worse.

Sadly for you yippy dog.. I have said they all are wrong many times and actually mean it.  No one in government should use anything but government servers and not be able to delete.  Simple. 

Yet you defend your republican buddies for crying singularly about Hillary.

If you had an ounce of something near non partisan you could say the same.

But, that's okay yipper.  You have to insult an accusation at me to be able to defend you and your republicans from being so partisan.
Well, you got through a whole paragraph without saying liar or hate. Congratulations! I really don't get the line about me crying racism for saying clearly racist things. WTH is that? I don't recall ever crying racism about anything. But that's alright, you are usually a little delusional.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 29, 2015, 05:58:02 PM
Well, you got through a whole paragraph without saying liar or hate. Congratulations! I really don't get the line about me crying racism for saying clearly racist things. WTH is that? I don't recall ever crying racism about anything. But that's alright, you are usually a little delusional.

Aww what a surprise. Yippy dog just followed to toss more insults off topic.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on August 29, 2015, 06:04:54 PM
Aww what a surprise. Yippy dog just followed to toss more insults off topic.
Once again, no answer to the question. Only yippee dog. Get a new mantra why doncha?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on August 29, 2015, 08:20:52 PM
Can't you see that Duck's whole goal is to keep people from intelligently discussing what a weak candidate he is supporting for the Office of President of the United States?

NBC did a poll of what one word describes the presidential candidates.

Quote
On Thursday’s World News Tonight, correspondent Cecilia Vega noted: “Today, a new poll showing voters have some choice words of their own to describe the candidates. Asked the first word that comes to mind about Clinton, people say ‘liar,’ ‘dishonest,’ ‘untrustworthy.’ For Trump, it's ‘arrogant,’ ‘blowhard,’ ‘idiot.’ And the number one word that comes to mind for Bush? ‘Bush.’” - See more at: [url]http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2015/08/28/abc-nbc-finally-notice-voters-call-hillary-liar-cbs-still-ignores#sthash.TrxHDjo1.dpuf[/url] ([url]http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2015/08/28/abc-nbc-finally-notice-voters-call-hillary-liar-cbs-still-ignores#sthash.TrxHDjo1.dpuf[/url])


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2015/08/28/abc-nbc-finally-notice-voters-call-hillary-liar-cbs-still-ignores (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2015/08/28/abc-nbc-finally-notice-voters-call-hillary-liar-cbs-still-ignores)

Quote
The most frequent words that come to mind when Americans think about Hillary Clinton are "liar" and "dishonest." That's according to a new national poll from Quinnipiac that asked more than 1500 registered voters to say the "first word" that comes to mind when they hear the Democratic presidential frontrunner's name.

The most frequently mentioned word was "liar," with 178 people mentioning the word. Next on the list are "dishonest" at 123 mentions and "untrustworthy" at 93 mentions. There were some positive words for Clinton mentioned frequently, including "experience" (82 mentions) and "strong" (59 mentions).

The same question was asked about Republicans Jeb Bush and Donald Trump. The most frequent word for Bush was "Bush" (136 mentions) followed far behind by "family" (70 mentions). Trump received much greater variance in the words used to describe him, with "arrogant" leading the pack with 58 mentions, followed by "blowhard" (38 mentions), idiot (35 mentions), and businessman and clown (34 mentions each).


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/quinnipiac-liar-dishonest-most-used-describe-hillary_1020252.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/quinnipiac-liar-dishonest-most-used-describe-hillary_1020252.html)

It is polls like this why old Duck wants to make sure no one can have an intelligent discussion on this board.

He sure can't defend his candidate based her track record - and that is why people describe her the way they do.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 29, 2015, 08:58:20 PM
Can't you see that Duck's whole goal is to keep people from intelligently discussing what a weak candidate he is supporting for the Office of President of the United States?


Why am I so shocked that 24/7 cannot read the topic to make his insults from, so makes up lies about what I think - contrary to what I have said.  Oh, yeah his usual.

Quote
NBC did a poll of what one word describes the presidential candidates.

Quote
On Thursday’s World News Tonight, correspondent Cecilia Vega noted: “Today, a new poll showing voters have some choice words of their own to describe the candidates. Asked the first word that comes to mind about Clinton, people say ‘liar,’ ‘dishonest,’ ‘untrustworthy.’ For Trump, it's ‘arrogant,’ ‘blowhard,’ ‘idiot.’ And the number one word that comes to mind for Bush? ‘Bush.’” - See more at: [url]http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2015/08/28/abc-nbc-finally-notice-voters-call-hillary-liar-cbs-still-ignores#sthash.TrxHDjo1.dpuf[/url] ([url]http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2015/08/28/abc-nbc-finally-notice-voters-call-hillary-liar-cbs-still-ignores#sthash.TrxHDjo1.dpuf[/url])



Hey, cool, I read that.  I also made posts from the same article that you ignored.   You should bother reading the rest instead of just the blurb you stole to use as an insult.


[quote
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2015/08/28/abc-nbc-finally-notice-voters-call-hillary-liar-cbs-still-ignores (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2015/08/28/abc-nbc-finally-notice-voters-call-hillary-liar-cbs-still-ignores)

Quote
The most frequent words that come to mind when Americans think about Hillary Clinton are "liar" and "dishonest." That's according to a new national poll from Quinnipiac that asked more than 1500 registered voters to say the "first word" that comes to mind when they hear the Democratic presidential frontrunner's name.

The most frequently mentioned word was "liar," with 178 people mentioning the word. Next on the list are "dishonest" at 123 mentions and "untrustworthy" at 93 mentions. There were some positive words for Clinton mentioned frequently, including "experience" (82 mentions) and "strong" (59 mentions).

The same question was asked about Republicans Jeb Bush and Donald Trump. The most frequent word for Bush was "Bush" (136 mentions) followed far behind by "family" (70 mentions). Trump received much greater variance in the words used to describe him, with "arrogant" leading the pack with 58 mentions, followed by "blowhard" (38 mentions), idiot (35 mentions), and businessman and clown (34 mentions each).


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/quinnipiac-liar-dishonest-most-used-describe-hillary_1020252.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/quinnipiac-liar-dishonest-most-used-describe-hillary_1020252.html)

It is polls like this why old Duck wants to make sure no one can have an intelligent discussion on this board.

He sure can't defend his candidate based her track record - and that is why people describe her the way they do.[/quote]

Aww, ain’t you sweet.

Yeah, I am preventing you from showing how much you hate clinton every day over and over the same thing for years. 

Most people can say they hate a candidate once and that is enough, not for republicans… You rant your hate day after day for decades.

Yet, your lie isn’t actual truth, nor did it talk on topic to the thread.

As I repeat, nice and slow so you might understand  (yeah, who am I kidding)

No one in government should use private email for business.  Just for you, that means your republicans too.  Clinton did EXACTLY like others in government and was just as legal.  That you refuse to accept that isn’t my problem.  That you excuse dozens of verified republicans doing the same or worse shows it is just partisan ranting.

But, you only wanted to insult me and didn’t care to read the topic to even try to talk on topic.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 08:02:32 AM
Yeah I get it.  You are partisan and only want to troll day after day how you hate THEM or how scared you are of clinton running.

Yes.  You don't care a bit that your idols did the same or worse because you have a deep need to repeat your partisan hatred daily.
About those missing emails - that are now found...  what have you to say?

are you hoping they find Hillary's in time... and recover Lois Lerners as well?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 11:04:25 AM
Anyone have confidence the IRS will find any emails during this administration?

=============================================
IRS must say if White House sought taxpayers’ information: Judge

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Friday, August 28, 2015
A federal judge Friday ordered the IRS to turn over the records of any requests from the White House seeking taxpayers’ private information from the tax agency, delivering a victory to a group that for two years has been trying to pry the data loose.

It’s not clear that there were any such requests — but Judge Amy Berman Jackson said the IRS cannot just refuse to say so by citing taxpayer confidentiality laws, known as section 6103 of the tax code.

“This court questions whether section 6103 should or would shield records that indicate confidential taxpayer information was misused, or that government officials made an improper attempt to access that information,” the judge wrote in denying the IRS’s request to close out the case.

The ruling marks yet another federal judge who has ordered the Obama administration to be more transparent when responding to open-records records. The State Department is facing a barrage of orders from federal judges demanding more cooperation in releasing former Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton’s emails.

White House officials and federal agencies are allowed, under very select circumstances, to ask the IRS for protected information. But the requests must be carefully cleared.

Questions about potential White House meddling in taxpayers’ private information stretch back to the beginning of the Obama administration, when the then-White House chief economist seemed to describe the tax structure of Koch Industries during a briefing with reporters.

His description was apparently incorrect, but it left some watchdog groups wondering if the White House had quietly sought information on conservatives, such as the billionaire Koch brothers.

Cause of Action sued in 2013 to get a look at whatever requests the White House, or other federal agencies, had made.

The IRS refused, saying even the existence of those requests would be protected by confidentiality laws and couldn’t be released, so there was no reason to make the search.

The judge said Friday, however, that the agency couldn’t use the privacy protection “to shield the very misconduct it was enacted to prohibit.”

“As we have said all along, this administration cannot misinterpret the law in order to potentially hide evidence of wrongdoing,” said Dan Epstein, executive director at Cause of Action. “No administration is above the law, and we are pleased that the court has sided with us on this important point.”

The IRS declined to comment since the matter is still pending in court.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:08:44 AM
How sad. The righties always use the "what we don't know" allegations as if it's proof of wrongdoing.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 11:17:54 AM
How sad. The righties always use the "what we don't know" allegations as if it's proof of wrongdoing.
You mean the crying that duck did over - missing emails from Bush's era - that are now found...

Actually it's the appearance of hiding something - where he was correct in his point.

What was Lois Lerner "HIDING" when she conveniently lost her hard drive and then plead the 5th...        You don't plead the 5th for losing emails  ;)

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment)


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:29:33 AM
You mean the crying that duck did over - missing emails from Bush's era - that are now found...

Actually it's the appearance of hiding something - where he was correct in his point.

What was Lois Lerner "HIDING" when she conveniently lost her hard drive and then plead the 5th...        You don't plead the 5th for losing emails  ;)

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment)

Sometimes it's wise to do what your legal advocate recommends.

It's more troubling that you've equated the 5th to an admission of guilt.

But I'm sure a real professor would be able to separate fact from fiction.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 11:44:24 AM
Sometimes it's wise to do what your legal advocate recommends.

It's more troubling that you've equated the 5th to an admission of guilt.

But I'm sure a real professor would be able to separate fact from fiction.
I agree and that's the beauty of our Country -
nothing wrong with following legal advice.   

I guess in my work - I never had to answer to my bosses about my work and needed it!

The whole point is that you don't have to testify against yourself... but when you are testifying - and then stop and use this - it's more likely than not you have some reason for worry... Doesn't mean guilty - but sure puts up a red flag that you know something you don't want others to know! just saying...
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:50:19 AM
I agree and that's the beauty of our Country -
nothing wrong with following legal advice.   

I guess in my work - I never had to answer to my bosses about my work and needed it!

The whole point is that you don't have to testify against yourself... but when you are testifying - and then stop and use this - it's more likely than not you have some reason for worry... Doesn't mean guilty - but sure puts up a red flag that you know something you don't want others to know! just saying...
You're reading too much into it but then that's what the right-wing conservative echo chamber wants you to do.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on August 30, 2015, 11:51:50 AM

It's more troubling that you've equated the 5th to an admission of guilt.

But I'm sure a real professor would be able to separate fact from fiction.

It is not what he said.

Lois Lerner took the 5th because she believed her answers would incriminate herself in crime(s).   She believed that her answers could later be used as evidence against her for criminal charges.

But, I am sure that a real French Fry would have knew that already.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:57:50 AM
It is not what he said.

Lois Lerner took the 5th because she believed her answers would incriminate herself in crime(s).   She believed that her answers could later be used as evidence against her for criminal charges.

But, I am sure that a real French Fry would have knew that already.
Funny that you answered for him since you both seemed to take a vacation on the same days.

A coincidence I suppose.

As to why she took the 5th...do you have proof of your assertion?

Or is it like all your other non-factual assertions of throwing everything at the wall and hope that something sticks?

As it stands now...you've proven yourself to be nothing more than a liar. (and a stalker as well)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 30, 2015, 12:17:54 PM
About those missing emails - that are now found...  what have you to say?

are you hoping they find Hillary's in time... and recover Lois Lerners as well?
Apparently repeatedly saying what I think fails to penetrate past your trolling.

No one in government should be allowed to use anything but government servers and nothing should be allowed to be deleted.

I want that got democrats and republicans and any other in government.  Unlike you that only cares if it is democrats.

I know you excuse all the past and recent republicans doing it the same or worse.  But,, if you and your republicans actually cared about the issue, and not the partisan hate, you would have allowed a law to stop it.

You should be happy that Obama finally made it illegal.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
Funny that you answered for him since you both seemed to take a vacation on the same days.

A coincidence I suppose.

As to why she took the 5th...do you have proof of your assertion?

Or is it like all your other non-factual assertions of throwing everything at the wall and hope that something sticks?

As it stands now...you've proven yourself to be nothing more than a liar. (and a stalker as well)
LOL   
You can't accept the fact that Democrats are hiding emails from congressional investigations - innocent or not.     

most who plead the 5th don't want anything they say to be used against themselves... why do you think she chose those words in her testimony before congress?

Would her testimony have been used against her if she lied and emails proved it?

I'm sure when the IRS finally finds and releases her emails - the reasoning behind her pleading the 5th will become clearer... 

No proof available until the IRS complies with federal judges.


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 12:21:26 PM
Apparently repeatedly saying what I think fails to penetrate past your trolling.

No one in government should be allowed to use anything but government servers and nothing should be allowed to be deleted.

I want that got democrats and republicans and any other in government.  Unlike you that only cares if it is democrats.

I know you excuse all the past and recent republicans doing it the same or worse.  But,, if you and your republicans actually cared about the issue, and not the partisan hate, you would have allowed a law to stop it.

You should be happy that Obama finally made it illegal.
Huh? 

maybe shorter thoughts would work as this gets more garbles as you rant on...
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 12:29:56 PM
LOL   
You can't accept the fact that Democrats are hiding emails from congressional investigations - innocent or not.     

most who plead the 5th don't want anything they say to be used against themselves... why do you think she chose those words in her testimony before congress?

Would her testimony have been used against her if she lied and emails proved it?

I'm sure when the IRS finally finds and releases her emails - the reasoning behind her pleading the 5th will become clearer... 

No proof available until the IRS complies with federal judges.
How cute...he answered for you and you answered for him.

But both of you are singing the same tune...making false allegations.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 30, 2015, 12:41:55 PM
Wait!  I just realized.

Not a professor claims there Bush white house of 88 people using a private server to hide crimes was okay because Rove apologized for deleting 5 million of the 22 million deleted emails.

He says all is forgiven because Rove apologized.

Lerner apologized to not a professor.  Why do you continue to show partisan hate?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
How cute...he answered for you and you answered for him.

But both of you are singing the same tune...making false allegations.

Oh you mean the IRS didn't lose her e-mails until recently?
Lerner didn't plead the 5th before congress?

Hillary didn't know what classified was unless underlings told her?
and Hillary didn't erase her emails on purpose?

Those false allegations  ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 12:51:13 PM
Oh you mean the IRS didn't lose her e-mails until recently?
Lerner didn't plead the 5th before congress?

Hillary didn't know what classified was unless underlings told her?
and Hillary didn't erase her emails on purpose?

Those false allegations  ;)
It's more about making it seem like there's something in the emails worth looking at.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 12:53:04 PM
Wait!  I just realized.

Not a professor claims there Bush white house of 88 people using a private server to hide crimes was okay because Rove apologized for deleting 5 million of the 22 million deleted emails.

He says all is forgiven because Rove apologized.

Lerner apologized to not a professor.  Why do you continue to show partisan hate?

Please cite where I said what you claim
....professor claims there Bush white house of 88 people using a private server to hide crimes was okay because...

He says all is forgiven because Rove apologized

Lerner apologized


won't be long to do - because you can't!   and you'll duck and dodge with another deflection answer.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 12:58:07 PM
It's more about making it seem like there's something in the emails worth looking at.

I get that point - and you probably could get away with that premise if some of Hillary's emails hadn't been published

As with Lerner - she's already set the stage by pleading the 5th before congress - which only makes people want to see if she was the decision maker or taking orders from someone else...   

Justice in DC will take years... with all the legal maneuvers and stonewalling -   there's already several federal judges involved trying to enforce the open government we seek.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on August 30, 2015, 01:21:19 PM
Wait!  I just realized.

22 million deleted emails.



What 22 million deleted emails? 

I am surprised that you are pitching that progressive lie.

22 million missing Bush White House e-mails found

Computer technicians have found 22 million missing White House e-mails from the administration of President George W. Bush, according to two groups that are settling lawsuits they filed over the failure by the Bush White House to install an electronic record keeping system.

The two groups made the announcement as they settled lawsuits that they filed against the Executive Office of the President in 2007.

But the public might not see any of the e-mails for quite some time because they will now go through the National Archives normal process for releasing presidential and agency records.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20091214/NEWS/912149977/ (http://www.telegram.com/article/20091214/NEWS/912149977/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on August 30, 2015, 01:32:49 PM
Funny that you answered for him since you both seemed to take a vacation on the same days.

A coincidence I suppose.

As to why she took the 5th...do you have proof of your assertion?

Or is it like all your other non-factual assertions of throwing everything at the wall and hope that something sticks?

As it stands now...you've proven yourself to be nothing more than a liar. (and a stalker as well)

Paranoid much?  Are you still walking around showing your neighbors a picture of Professor H and asking if they have seen him in your hood?   Wait, you never seen me and Professor H together...   Bahaha!

Lois Lerner couldn't take the Fifth to avoid questions.  She could only use the Fifth to avoid self incrimination.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 01:46:16 PM
Paranoid much?  Are you still walking around showing your neighbors a picture of Professor H and asking if they have seen him in your hood?   Wait, you never seen me and Professor H together...   Bahaha!
Well I'm not the stalker that you are if that's what you meant. Whether or not you're a product of the moron county inbreeding isn't at the top of the list anymore as I really just don't care.

But your ability to manipulate the timestamp of posts that don't exist is indicative of your intimate knowledge of the simple machines program used by this site...which may mean you're an employee of the Monroe News...which would explain a lot.

Lois Lerner couldn't take the Fifth to avoid questions.  She could only use the Fifth to avoid self incrimination.

Are you saying she wasn't advised to just plead the 5th?

Let's face it...you seem to enjoy foisting baseless suspicions upon your perceived enemies...but without actual proof that laws were violated...such as a conviction...you're just a rabble rousing liar.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 30, 2015, 01:58:33 PM
What 22 million deleted emails? 

I am surprised that you are pitching that progressive lie.

22 million missing Bush White House e-mails found

Computer technicians have found 22 million missing White House e-mails from the administration of President George W. Bush, according to two groups that are settling lawsuits they filed over the failure by the Bush White House to install an electronic record keeping system.

The two groups made the announcement as they settled lawsuits that they filed against the Executive Office of the President in 2007.

But the public might not see any of the e-mails for quite some time because they will now go through the National Archives normal process for releasing presidential and agency records.

[url]http://www.telegram.com/article/20091214/NEWS/912149977/[/url] ([url]http://www.telegram.com/article/20091214/NEWS/912149977/[/url])


Really?
All that proof that they were deleted.  According to not a professor it was all excused because Rove apologized for deleting five million of them.

It only took two lawsuits and experts to recover what they did.

But, you go ahead and play that they did no wrong because they are republicans.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 02:31:21 PM
Really?  Let's compare.   Here's a sample of your stalking:
Those examples were mere attempts to level the playing field.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11870643_1076337629066888_1116293992582247333_n.jpg?oh=b6974fb2373eb96e1501d9db0922e2df&oe=5682ED52)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 30, 2015, 02:41:21 PM
Not really,  I pointed it out because you were still lying that 22 million emails were deleted 6 years after their discovery in 2009.   Why the misinformation on your part?

Wait, you are trying to tell me that the 22 million emails on a private server were never deleted?

Because 2 lawsuits got access for experts to recover them to you means they were not deleted.

Wow.

Well, just so you have a way to excuse when your republicans did it worse.

The not a professor way is saying rove apologized.

For you the recovered at least some, so even though they were deleted they were not deleted.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on August 30, 2015, 03:51:37 PM
Wait, you are trying to tell me that the 22 million emails on a private server were never deleted?

Because 2 lawsuits got access for experts to recover them to you means they were not deleted.

Wow.

Well, just so you have a way to excuse when your republicans did it worse.

The not a professor way is saying rove apologized.

For you the recovered at least some, so even though they were deleted they were not deleted.

These 22 million emails were located by White House contractors in 2009 and turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration.

It is 2015 and you are erroneously claiming they were deleted when they were not.   Why?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 04:30:32 PM
What you don't any examples of me asking for information about you?   I am not surprised because it never happened.  Your not that interesting.
I've detected an omission.
Perhaps you ought to re-read what you wrote.
And BTW...it's "you're" but that's a typical mistake that most ignorant righties make so you're not alone.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 30, 2015, 04:53:01 PM
These 22 million emails were located by White House contractors in 2009 and turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration.

It is 2015 and you are erroneously claiming they were deleted when they were not.   Why?


GOP Halts Effort to Retrieve White House E-Mails

After promising last year to search its computers for tens of thousands of e-mails sent by White House officials, the Republican National Committee has informed a House committee that it no longer plans to retrieve the communications by restoring computer backup tapes, the panel's chairman said yesterday.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/26/AR2008022602312.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/26/AR2008022602312.html)

Well, gosh, that silly house committee should have known excelsior says they were never deleted.

Missing emails included emails from the Office of the Vice President for a critical period in the fall of 2003 that were sought by the Department of Justice as part of its investigation into the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert CIA identity. Files that should have contained these emails also were missing from backup tapes for that period and in its efforts to restore those emails from individual users’ mailboxes, the Bush White House excluded the mailbox of I. Lewis Libby from those being restored.
http://thepersonalblog.com/george-bush-sending-government-emails-over-private-server/ (http://thepersonalblog.com/george-bush-sending-government-emails-over-private-server/)

Ohh, excelsior tells the special prosecutor nothing was deleted.

I wonder about the mental capacity of republicans.  “guns don’t kill” because they pretend no human ever touched a gun and killed people with them.  Deleted email on a private server is not deleted is SOME are found. 

Or the doozie that rove is the only one to blame and he apologized for deleting 5 million of the 22 million emails off the PRIVATE server, so all is forgiven because he apologized.


Or perhaps you need me to post the thousands of posts saying they WERE deleted.  Nah, why would you read truth when you can excuse your republicans with lies.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 04:57:00 PM
What 3 Words Come To Mind When You Think Of Hillary Clinton?

"A new Quinnipiac poll has more bad news for the Hillary Clinton campaign, with poll results showing voters think of Clinton as “dishonest” and a “liar.”

“What is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Hillary Clinton?” Quinnipiac asked. All three of the most popular answers were along the same lines: “liar,” “dishonest,” and “untrustworthy.” After those responses, Clinton nets a few positive responses, such as “experience” and “strong.” But then the negative qualifiers begin again, with responses like “crook,” “untruthful,” “criminal,” and “deceitful.””

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUd2JocIxTk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUd2JocIxTk)

The right-wing false smear campaign has been quite effective.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on August 30, 2015, 07:53:55 PM
Makes sense to me. Like most liberals, she IS a liar.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on August 30, 2015, 08:09:59 PM
The right-wing false smear campaign has been quite effective.

LOL!

Nahhh - Hillary is the most truthful politician out there - and she has a plan for the country.

That is why she was out campaigning on the War on Women.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
These 22 million emails were located by White House contractors in 2009 and turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration.

It is 2015 and you are erroneously claiming they were deleted when they were not.   Why?
It defeats the argument... that's why

Isn't it better if Hillary and Lerner can have supporters that say "they did it and got away with it..."   

But then again no need to use facts with Duck he's done with silly things like that.

At least Fry is the more reasonable Democrat! and can actually carry on a dialogue -
which is refreshing!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 30, 2015, 08:47:38 PM
It defeats the argument... that's why

Isn't it better if Hillary and Lerner can have supporters that say "they did it and got away with it..."   

But then again no need to use facts with Duck he's done with silly things like that.

At least Fry is the more reasonable Democrat! and can actually carry on a dialogue -
which is refreshing!

Well, once again troll boy shows he doesn't read what people say, he just makes up crap to troll with.

Okay troll, show the quote where I said it was good that Anyone got away with it.  ANYONE, not just the way you do with your republicans.

Sadly for troll boy, I have said the opposite, while he defends his republicans.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on August 30, 2015, 08:50:54 PM
Duck,

I am seriously worried about you.

Do you have a brain tumor or something?

You need to get yourself checked out.....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 30, 2015, 09:03:58 PM
Duck,

I am seriously worried about you.

Do you have a brain tumor or something?

You need to get yourself checked out.....

Wow, I am shocked, I am amazed.  The 24/7 troll says he cares about me and isn't his usual of being insulting and saying any disgusting thing he can to piss me off.  I am humbled.

Oh, he is just being his usual self being an insulting pig. 
Here, I thought he finally might be trying to be civilized for the very first time ever.

Instead he just throws his constant insults because he didn't wet his pants yet today.

Is there anyone in your life anywhere you don't make up lies about people so you can be insulting to them? 

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 30, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
It defeats the argument... that's why

Isn't it better if Hillary and Lerner can have supporters that say "they did it and got away with it..."   

But then again no need to use facts with Duck he's done with silly things like that.

At least Fry is the more reasonable Democrat! and can actually carry on a dialogue -
which is refreshing!

Perhaps you should argue with your fellow republican.  He claims  the 22 million emails were never deleted.  YOu say rove did it and it is all forgiven ebause he apologized. 

You should get on the same page with your excuses.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 30, 2015, 09:12:58 PM
Perhaps you should argue with your fellow republican.  He claims  the 22 million emails were never deleted.  YOu say rove did it and it is all forgiven ebause he apologized. 

You should get on the same page with your excuses.
LOL  and no citations from the resident expert...

Did you or did you not know the Bush era emails were found?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 30, 2015, 09:38:31 PM
Duck,

I am seriously worried about you.


Do you have a brain tumor or something?

You need to get yourself checked out.....

I'm not.  If he kacks out, thats one less Democrud voter to listen to and more air for those living to breathe......
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 30, 2015, 11:46:56 PM
I'm not.  If he kacks out, thats one less Democrud voter to listen to and more air for those living to breathe......
Another example of why Monroe Native idolizes your value to the community.  8*
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 12:32:55 AM
I'm not.  If he kacks out, thats one less Democrud voter to listen to and more air for those living to breathe......
Sad how extremely insecure you are that you can't allow any talk.But extremist republican b.s..

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 31, 2015, 12:49:59 AM
GOP Halts Effort to Retrieve White House E-Mails

After promising last year to search its computers for tens of thousands of e-mails sent by White House officials, the Republican National Committee has informed a House committee that it no longer plans to retrieve the communications by restoring computer backup tapes, the panel's chairman said yesterday.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article[/url]/2008/02/26/AR2008022602312.html ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/26/AR2008022602312.html[/url])

Well, gosh, that silly house committee should have known excelsior says they were never deleted.

Missing emails included emails from the Office of the Vice President for a critical period in the fall of 2003 that were sought by the Department of Justice as part of its investigation into the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert CIA identity. Files that should have contained these emails also were missing from backup tapes for that period and in its efforts to restore those emails from individual users’ mailboxes, the Bush White House excluded the mailbox of I. Lewis Libby from those being restored.
[url]http://thepersonalblog.com/george-bush-sending-government-emails-over-private-server/[/url] ([url]http://thepersonalblog.com/george-bush-sending-government-emails-over-private-server/[/url])

Ohh, excelsior tells the special prosecutor nothing was deleted.

I wonder about the mental capacity of republicans.  “guns don’t kill” because they pretend no human ever touched a gun and killed people with them.  Deleted email on a private server is not deleted is SOME are found. 

Or the doozie that rove is the only one to blame and he apologized for deleting 5 million of the 22 million emails off the PRIVATE server, so all is forgiven because he apologized.


Or perhaps you need me to post the thousands of posts saying they WERE deleted.  Nah, why would you read truth when you can excuse your republicans with lies.
   

You've been crying about the emails that have been found and recovered since 2010. 

Then post from 2008 to support your claim  8*

Nice job of research and supporting your argument  ;)

Bush E-mails Found: 22 Million Missing E-mails From George W. Bush White House Recovered
 AP  |  By   PETE YOST
Posted: 03/18/2010 5:12 am EDT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/bush-emails-found-22-mill_n_391557.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/bush-emails-found-22-mill_n_391557.html)

Don't you think watchgroups or Obama's people would have found some smoking gun by now if there was one  ;D

Now if only we had full access to the IRS ones! 

and we haven't even touched base on Hillary's deleted ones
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 31, 2015, 01:21:17 AM
This whole email thing is silly but what the hell

FLASHBACK: When Millions Of Lost Bush White House Emails (From Private Accounts) Triggered A Media Shrug

Even for a Republican White House that was badly stumbling through George W. Bush's sixth year in office, the revelation on April 12, 2007 was shocking. Responding to congressional demands for emails in connection with its investigation into the partisan firing of eight U.S. attorneys, the White House announced that as many as five million emails, covering a two-year span, had been lost.

The emails had been run through private accounts controlled by the Republican National Committee and were only supposed to be used for dealing with non-administration political campaign work to avoid violating ethics laws. Yet congressional investigators already had evidence private emails had been used for government business, including to discuss the firing of one of the U.S. attorneys. The RNC accounts were used by 22 White House staffers, including then-Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who reportedly used his RNC email for 95 percent of his communications.

As the Washington Post reported, "Under federal law, the White House is required to maintain records, including e-mails, involving presidential decision- making and deliberations." But suddenly millions of the private RNC emails had gone missing; emails that were seen as potentially crucial evidence by Congressional investigators.

The White House email story broke on a Wednesday. Yet on that Sunday's Meet The Press, Face The Nation, and Fox News Sunday, the topic of millions of missing White House emails did not come up. At all. (The story did get covered on ABC's This Week.)

By comparison, not only did every network Sunday news show this week cover the story about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton emails, but they were drowning in commentary. Between Meet the Press, Face The Nation, This Week, and Fox News Sunday, Clinton's "email" or "emails" were referenced more than 100 times on the programs, according to Nexis transcripts. Talk about saturation coverage.

Indeed, the commentary for the last week truly has been relentless, with the Beltway press barely pausing to catch its breath before unloading yet another round of "analysis," most of which provides little insight but does allow journalists to vent about the Clintons.

What has become clear over the last eight days however is that the Clinton email story isn't about lawbreaking. "Experts have said it doesn't appear Clinton violated federal laws," CNN conceded. "But that hasn't stemmed the issue that has become more about bad optics and politics than any actual wrongdoing." The National Law Journal agreed, noting that while the story has created a political furor, "any legal consequences are likely to prove negligible."

Still, the scandal machine churns on determined to the treat the story as a political blockbuster, even though early polling indicates the kerfuffle will not damage Clinton's standing. 

Looking back, it's curious how the D.C. scandal machine could barely get out of first gear when the Bush email story broke in 2007.  I'm not suggesting the press ignored the Rove email debacle, because the story was clearly covered at the time. But triggering a firestorm (a guttural roar) that raged for days and consumed the Beltway chattering class the way the D.C. media has become obsessed with the Clinton email story?  Absolutely not. Not even close.

Instead, the millions of missing Bush White House emails were treated as a 24-hour or 48-hour story. It was a subject that was dutifully noted, and then the media pack quickly moved on.

How did the Washington Post and New York Times commentators deal with the Bush email scandal in the week following the confirmation of the missing messages? In his April 17, 2007 column, Post columnist Eugene Robinson hit the White House hard. But he was the only Post columnist to do so. On the editorial page, the Post cautioned that the story of millions of missing White House emails might not really be a "scandal." Instead, it was possible, the Post suggested, that Rove and others simply received "sloppy guidance" regarding email protocol.

There's been no such Post inclination to give Clinton any sort of benefit of the doubt regarding email use as the paper piles up endless attacks on her. Dana Milbank: "Clinton made a whopper of an error." Ruth Marcus: "This has the distinct odor of hogwash." 

As for The New York Times, here's the entirety of the newspaper's commentary on the Bush White House email story in the week following the revelation, according to Nexis:
Last week, the Republican National Committee threw up another roadblock, claiming it had lost four years' worth of e-mail messages by Karl Rove that were sent on a Republican Party account. Those messages, officials admitted, could include some about the United States attorneys. It is virtually impossible to erase e-mail messages fully, and the claims that they are gone are not credible.

Three sentences from a single, unsigned editorial. That's it. No Times columnists addressed the topic. By comparison, in the week since the Clinton story broke, the Times has published one editorial dedicated solely to the subject, and no less than five opinion columns addressing the controversy.

Just to repeat: In 2007, the story was about millions of missing White House emails that were sought in connection to a Congressional investigation. Yet somehow the archiving of Clinton's emails today requires exponentially more coverage, and exceedingly more critical coverage.

Of course, back in 2007 Fox News seemed utterly uninterested in the Bush email story days after the news broke. A search of Fox archives locates only one panel discussion about the story and it featured two guests accusing Democrats of engineering a "fishing expedition."

From then-Fox co-host, Fred Barnes: "I mean, deleted e-mails, who cares?"
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/10/flashback-when-millions-of-lost-bush-white-hous/202820 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/10/flashback-when-millions-of-lost-bush-white-hous/202820)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on August 31, 2015, 01:23:47 AM
Bush White House email controversy

The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act.[1] Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted.[2][3] Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations.[4] In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.[5]

The administration officials had been using a private Internet domain, called gwb43.com, owned by and hosted on an email server run by the Republican National Committee,[6] for various communications of unknown content or purpose. The domain name is an acronym standing for "George W. Bush, 43rd" President of the United States. The server came public when it was discovered that J. Scott Jennings, the White House's deputy director of political affairs, was using a gwb43.com email address to discuss the firing of the U.S. attorney for Arkansas.[7] Communications by federal employees were also found on georgewbush.com (registered to "Bush-Cheney '04, Inc."[8]) and rnchq.org (registered to "Republican National Committee"[9]), but, unlike these two servers, gwb43.com has no Web server connected to it — it is used only for email.[10]

The "gwb43.com" domain name was publicized by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), who sent a letter to Oversight and Government Reform Committee committee chairman Henry A. Waxman requesting an investigation.[11] Waxman sent a formal warning to the RNC, advising them to retain copies of all emails sent by White House employees. According to Waxman, "in some instances, White House officials were using nongovernmental accounts specifically to avoid creating a record of the communications."[12] The Republican National Committee claims to have erased the emails, supposedly making them unavailable for Congressional investigators.[13]

On April 12, 2007, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel stated that White House staffers were told to use RNC accounts to "err on the side of avoiding violations of the Hatch Act, but they should also retain that information so it can be reviewed for the Presidential Records Act," and that "some employees ... have communicated about official business on those political email accounts."[14] Stanzel also said that even though RNC policy since 2004 has been to retain all emails of White House staff with RNC accounts, the staffers had the ability to delete the email themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy)

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White House: 'We screwed up'
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html?eref=rss_topstories (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 31, 2015, 10:13:42 AM
What's silly is re-posting old articles and ignoring the fact they were recovered by the federal government in 2010 and in the hands of the national Archives... 

Gee about 5 years ago if my math is correct - and yet no word of finding any "gotcha" emails...

Fast forward to Lerner - she had emails missing - and now found but the IRS is stonewalling and release until judges got involved.

Now to Hillary - she intentionally wiped her server - big difference - as she was the Secretary of State and now wants the public to trust her with a higher office!

But the cheerleaders still think there's no difference  8*
Don't want your personal shenanigans on public record - then don't use your personal email for public business!     can't imagine what legal wiz gave her that bad advice to begin with!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on August 31, 2015, 11:04:22 AM
Duck,

I am seriously worried about you.

Do you have a brain tumor or something?

You need to get yourself checked out.....

Don't worry about Ducky.  Frenchfry must have won the lottery or something, and paid Duck to act like theass he has been portraying, to take the heat off of Frenchfry.

You gotta admit - Frenchfry looks like a saint compared to the latest garbage spewing from Ducks computer.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 31, 2015, 11:26:53 AM
Actually the less anyone attacks Fry the more civil he becomes -
Will we be sharing a coffee soon - would be nice - but I'll take civility!

I hope all can try that civility thing again  ;)

Keeping it on the topic and not about the poster usually helps  ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on August 31, 2015, 11:31:37 AM
Wow, I am shocked, I am amazed.  The 24/7 troll says he cares about me and isn't his usual of being insulting and saying any disgusting thing he can to piss me off.  I am humbled.

Oh, he is just being his usual self being an insulting pig. 
Here, I thought he finally might be trying to be civilized for the very first time ever.

Instead he just throws his constant insults because he didn't wet his pants yet today.

Is there anyone in your life anywhere you don't make up lies about people so you can be insulting to them?

No - I was being sincere.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 02:02:18 PM
What's silly is re-posting old articles and ignoring the fact they were recovered by the federal government in 2010 and in the hands of the national Archives... 

Gee about 5 years ago if my math is correct - and yet no word of finding any "gotcha" emails...

Yep, TWO lawsuits one by national archives trying to get Bush to save emails and backups.  Oh, yeah, that was before they even knew about the hidden PRIVATE server that so many in the white house used.  Yep, when Obama became president he finally stopped the lawsuit and agreed to restore what they could.  Now, that part was the 22 million emails, but the other lawsuit for years was GOVERNMENT servers that has more than 700 days with no email and many hundreds more with conspicuously less than normal amounts of email.  See, your covering up the Bush people was two different scandals. 

One spiffy little note,  A JUDGE ordered all computers in the white house to be backed up so the emails could be recovered.  The white house response.. all hard drives had been destroyed... oops sorry.

I hae no clue if all the email from thee PRIVATE server were actually recovered after being purposefully deleted.  Yeah, your boys get excused because lawsuits finally got maybe most restored after trying to hide them by deletion.  But, that's okay because rove apologized for deleting 20% of them.

Quote
Fast forward to Lerner - she had emails missing - and now found but the IRS is stonewalling and release until judges got involved.

Yeah, not like the ones you excuse for having two lawsuits and ignoring judges demands and stonewalling until after Obama became president.  Nah, not your republicans.

Quote
Now to Hillary - she intentionally wiped her server - big difference - as she was the Secretary of State and now wants the public to trust her with a higher office!

OMG she did what your republicans did that you say were hunky dorey because rove apologized and after years of obstruction a new president finally allowed the possible recovery?  Really, wow, yeah so different.

Did you know Palin was caught using private email for government use to hide her scheming.  Oh, but she only ran for vice president, no big deal.

Jeb used a private server for his email (legally) but the Florida law said he had to turn over all email before leaving office.  After dozens of lawsuits and 6 years he finally turned over what he would, and refused the rest.  But, he isn't running for president.  oh, he is?

Quote
But the cheerleaders still think there's no difference 

I don't mind being called a cheerleader for truth.  I don't excuse all the rest just to pick on a party like you do.  And guess what, there is a difference.  YOUR REPUBLICANS DELETED 22 million emails off a completely private server and opposed trying to recover them.  YOUR REPUBLICANS also fought the recovery of multiple hundreds of days deleted off government servers.

No, they are not the same, your republicans did it up like moon compared to a kids marble.

But, again, I say no one should be allowed to delete anything off government servers and should only be allowed to use government servers.  Been saying that since your republicans did it and stick to it.  You excuse it from all those republicans just to rant daily against a democrat because you are partisan.

Quote
Don't want your personal shenanigans on public record - then don't use your personal email for public business!     can't imagine what legal wiz gave her that bad advice to begin with!

I see, you cream your pants over playing how it is democrats adn no matter how or why excuse your republicans.  Wow, not like you are partisan or anything.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 02:03:43 PM
No - I was being sincere.

Yep, I agree, you were sincerely insulting, just like always.


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 31, 2015, 02:29:29 PM
Yep, TWO lawsuits one by national archives trying to get Bush to save emails and backups.  Oh, yeah, that was before they even knew about the hidden PRIVATE server that so many in the white house used.  Yep, when Obama became president he finally stopped the lawsuit and agreed to restore what they could.  Now, that part was the 22 million emails, but the other lawsuit for years was GOVERNMENT servers that has more than 700 days with no email and many hundreds more with conspicuously less than normal amounts of email.  See, your covering up the Bush people was two different scandals. 

One spiffy little note,  A JUDGE ordered all computers in the white house to be backed up so the emails could be recovered.  The white house response.. all hard drives had been destroyed... oops sorry.

I hae no clue if all the email from thee PRIVATE server were actually recovered after being purposefully deleted.  Yeah, your boys get excused because lawsuits finally got maybe most restored after trying to hide them by deletion.  But, that's okay because rove apologized for deleting 20% of them.

Yeah, not like the ones you excuse for having two lawsuits and ignoring judges demands and stonewalling until after Obama became president.  Nah, not your republicans.

OMG she did what your republicans did that you say were hunky dorey because rove apologized and after years of obstruction a new president finally allowed the possible recovery?  Really, wow, yeah so different.

Did you know Palin was caught using private email for government use to hide her scheming.  Oh, but she only ran for vice president, no big deal.

Jeb used a private server for his email (legally) but the Florida law said he had to turn over all email before leaving office.  After dozens of lawsuits and 6 years he finally turned over what he would, and refused the rest.  But, he isn't running for president.  oh, he is?

I don't mind being called a cheerleader for truth.  I don't excuse all the rest just to pick on a party like you do.  And guess what, there is a difference.  YOUR REPUBLICANS DELETED 22 million emails off a completely private server and opposed trying to recover them.  YOUR REPUBLICANS also fought the recovery of multiple hundreds of days deleted off government servers.

No, they are not the same, your republicans did it up like moon compared to a kids marble.

But, again, I say no one should be allowed to delete anything off government servers and should only be allowed to use government servers.  Been saying that since your republicans did it and stick to it.  You excuse it from all those republicans just to rant daily against a democrat because you are partisan.

I see, you cream your pants over playing how it is democrats adn no matter how or why excuse your republicans.  Wow, not like you are partisan or anything.

Now if only there was a way to check your claims...  ;)

None of those show up under the Huffington post article
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 03:10:19 PM
Now if only there was a way to check your claims...  ;)

None of those show up under the Huffington post article


Yeah, so difficult for you to use that google thingy.  It might just give you fact isntead of what fox tells you.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2007/04/rove-and-co-broke-federal-law-email-scam (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2007/04/rove-and-co-broke-federal-law-email-scam)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/26/AR2007032601979.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/26/AR2007032601979.html)

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20080417/index.htm#chron (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20080417/index.htm#chron)

White House Fails To Archive E-Mail; Issue in CIA Leak Case
The White House failed to archive some e-mails in accordance with normal procedures in 2003, according to a letter from a special prosecutor investigating the leak of a CIA operative's identity.
The prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, disclosed the failure last week to defense attorneys for a former White House official, I. Lewis Libby, who is facing perjury and obstruction of justice charges in the probe.
"We advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system," Mr. Fitzgerald wrote in the January 23 letter, which was filed in federal court on Tuesday.
http://www.nysun.com/national/white-house-fails-to-archive-e-mail-issue-in-cia/26937/ (http://www.nysun.com/national/white-house-fails-to-archive-e-mail-issue-in-cia/26937/)
https://www.benton.org/node/5471 (https://www.benton.org/node/5471)
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Ethics_watchdog_accuses_Education_Department_of_0516.html (http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Ethics_watchdog_accuses_Education_Department_of_0516.html)

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978
http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html (http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html)

http://dominopower.com/2008/05/07/new-article-the-white-house-email-controversy-its-time-for-a-special-prosecutor/ (http://dominopower.com/2008/05/07/new-article-the-white-house-email-controversy-its-time-for-a-special-prosecutor/)
Court expands White House email order
http://dominopower.com/2008/04/28/court-expands-white-house-email-order/ (http://dominopower.com/2008/04/28/court-expands-white-house-email-order/)
The White House email controversy: where have all the computers gone?
http://dominopower.com/2008/03/27/new-article-the-white-house-email-controversy-where-have-all-the-computers-gone/ (http://dominopower.com/2008/03/27/new-article-the-white-house-email-controversy-where-have-all-the-computers-gone/)
January 16, 2008
White House Admits No Back-Up Tapes for E-mail Before October 2003
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20080116/index.htm (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20080116/index.htm)

WASHINGTON, April 12—The White House said Thursday that missing e-mail messages sent on Republican Party accounts may include some relating to the firing of eight United States attorneys.
The disclosure became a fresh political problem for the White House, as Democrats stepped up their inquiry into whether Karl Rove and other top aides to President Bush used the e-mail accounts maintained by the Republican National Committee to circumvent record-keeping requirements.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/washington/13emails.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/washington/13emails.html?_r=0)



There ya go not a professor.  Try some of those.  I am sure you can nitpick something that you can distort to you advantage while ignoring the rest.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 03:14:35 PM
And once again for the 10th time.  NO ONE should use anything but official government servers and not be able to delete anything ever.

I don't excuse anyone in the Obama administration any more than the seeming dozens from the republican side that did the same or worse. 

The only difference is you excuse the republicans and day after day month after month cry like a baby about democrats.

You defend your republicans (or excuse them buy saying rove apologized) and attack democrats.  I say they all should not have and should not ever be allowed to.

I am happy Obama made a law saying that it could not be done, finally.  I don't know if that can be changed back by another president, or if it is legal law.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
I may be wrong, but sadly it seems to be just suggestion only valid for Obama and can be changed by a new president.  SAd.

http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2013/nr13-128.html (http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2013/nr13-128.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 03:21:04 PM
"This story is really now a two-part issue," CREW's Melanie Sloan told CNN. "First there's the use of the RNC e-mail server that's inappropriate by White House officials and secondly we've also learned that there were between March of 2003 and October of 2005 apparently over 5 million e-mail that were not preserved and these are e-mail on the regular White House server."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html?eref=rss_topstories (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 03:47:16 PM
Obama must really dislike the Clintons.

Another 150 Classified Emails Found in Latest Hillary Clinton Communications Dump
[url]http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/31/another-150-classified-emails-found-in-l[/url] ([url]http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/31/another-150-classified-emails-found-in-l[/url])


Why is it wrong to do the right thing.  If the emails are called for, then they should do it.  Unlike your republicans ya know.  They deleted and fought two court fights to prevent anything being recovered.

Mind you, that was TWO problems with emails deleted.  Off the official government servers, and then when they found out about gwb43 and the 22 million emails they deleted, then them.

You have repeatedly excused the same or worse from republicans that you cry over because it is a democrat.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 31, 2015, 04:04:10 PM
Yeah, so difficult for you to use that google thingy.  It might just give you fact isntead of what fox tells you.

2007[/b]/04/rove-and-co-broke-federal-law-email-scam]http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2007/04/rove-and-co-broke-federal-law-email-scam ([url]http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/[/url][b)

[url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978[/url] ([url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978[/url])

2007[/b]/03/26/AR2007032601979.html]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/26/AR2007032601979.html ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/[/url][b)

[url]http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/[/url]20080417/index.htm#chron ([url]http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20080417/index.htm#chron[/url])

White House Fails To Archive E-Mail; Issue in CIA Leak Case
The White House failed to archive some e-mails in accordance with normal procedures in 2003, according to a letter from a special prosecutor investigating the leak of a CIA operative's identity.
The prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, disclosed the failure last week to defense attorneys for a former White House official, I. Lewis Libby, who is facing perjury and obstruction of justice charges in the probe.
"We advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system," Mr. Fitzgerald wrote in the January 23 letter, which was filed in federal court on Tuesday.
[url]http://www.nysun.com/national/white-house-fails-to-archive-e-mail-issue-in-cia/26937/[/url] ([url]http://www.nysun.com/national/white-house-fails-to-archive-e-mail-issue-in-cia/26937/[/url])
[url]https://www.benton.org/node/5471[/url] ([url]https://www.benton.org/node/5471[/url])
2007[/b]/Ethics_watchdog_accuses_Education_Department_of_0516.html]http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Ethics_watchdog_accuses_Education_Department_of_0516.html ([url]http://rawstory.com/news/[/url][b)

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978
[url]http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html[/url] ([url]http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html[/url])

2008[/b]/05/07/new-article-the-white-house-email-controversy-its-time-for-a-special-prosecutor/]http://dominopower.com/2008/05/07/new-article-the-white-house-email-controversy-its-time-for-a-special-prosecutor/ ([url]http://dominopower.com/[/url][b)
Court expands White House email order
2008[/b]/04/28/court-expands-white-house-email-order/]http://dominopower.com/2008/04/28/court-expands-white-house-email-order/ ([url]http://dominopower.com/[/url][b)
The White House email controversy: where have all the computers gone?
2008[/b]/03/27/new-article-the-white-house-email-controversy-where-have-all-the-computers-gone/]http://dominopower.com/2008/03/27/new-article-the-white-house-email-controversy-where-have-all-the-computers-gone/ ([url]http://dominopower.com/[/url][b)
January 16, 2008
White House Admits No Back-Up Tapes for E-mail Before October 2003
[url]http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/[/url]20080116/index.htm ([url]http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20080116/index.htm[/url])

WASHINGTON, April 12—The White House said Thursday that missing e-mail messages sent on Republican Party accounts may include some relating to the firing of eight United States attorneys.
The disclosure became a fresh political problem for the White House, as Democrats stepped up their inquiry into whether Karl Rove and other top aides to President Bush used the e-mail accounts maintained by the Republican National Committee to circumvent record-keeping requirements.
[/b]/04/13/washington/13emails.html?_r=0]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/washington/13emails.html?_r=0 ([url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007[/url][b)



There ya go not a professor.  Try some of those.  I am sure you can nitpick something that you can distort to you advantage while ignoring the rest.


Well at least now I know you are stuck back in history... 
we have had some updates on the story since 2007 and 2008...  ;)
the dates of your "Source" articles...

Maybe the Huff is to rightwing for you?
but they found those pesky emails and it's past 2014 so the Archiving should be done -
did your watchdog group find any "gotcha" stuff?
=======================================================
It will be years before the public sees any of the recovered e-mails because they will now go through the National Archives' process for releasing presidential and agency records. Presidential records of the Bush administration won't be available until 2014 at the earliest.

Former Bush White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said the 22 million e-mails already had been recovered while Bush was still in office and that misleading statements about the former administration's work demonstrate "a continued anti-Bush agenda, nearly a year after a new president was sworn in."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/bush-emails-found-22-mill_n_391557.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/bush-emails-found-22-mill_n_391557.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on August 31, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
So is the whole point - someone else did it so Hillary can?

If so then it's time for her to produce her emails!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on August 31, 2015, 04:12:10 PM
So is the whole point - someone else did it so Hillary can?

If so then it's time for her to produce her emails!

She would love to put them out there for us - but alas - they are classified.  Not when she had them - but they are now.

I see this coming.

It will be a Catch 22.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 04:14:58 PM
Well at least now I know you are stuck back in history... 
we have had some updates on the story since 2007 and 2008...  ;)
the dates of your "Source" articles...

Maybe the Huff is to rightwing for you?
but they found those pesky emails and it's past 2014 so the Archiving should be done -
did your watchdog group find any "gotcha" stuff?
=======================================================
It will be years before the public sees any of the recovered e-mails because they will now go through the National Archives' process for releasing presidential and agency records. Presidential records of the Bush administration won't be available until 2014 at the earliest.

Former Bush White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said the 22 million e-mails already had been recovered while Bush was still in office and that misleading statements about the former administration's work demonstrate "a continued anti-Bush agenda, nearly a year after a new president was sworn in."

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/bush-emails-found-22-mill_n_391557.html[/url] ([url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/bush-emails-found-22-mill_n_391557.html[/url])


Yeah, yeah, pointing out your republicans did it in the past is "just the past, forget it"

Wow,
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 04:18:25 PM
So is the whole point - someone else did it so Hillary can?

If so then it's time for her to produce her emails!

Well, there ya go.  Once again you don't bother to read a thing.

Number 11

NO ONE, not democrat or the republicans - all of them - should not use anything but government servers and not be able to delete. 

Please confirm you finally read that.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 04:22:11 PM
She would love to put them out there for us - but alas - they are classified.  Not when she had them - but they are now.

I see this coming.

It will be a Catch 22.

Ohh, a crystal ball.  Tell me how many Colin Powell sent or received in private email that are now classified?

Oh, he deleted everything.

How many of C Rice were on private servers that are classified? 

Just how much of the 22 million emails on the private rnc servers is now classified.

Actually, post the email of the ones you claim are classified.

And then, you know what..   YOUR REPUBLICANS were exactly the same or worse. 


NO ONE, of any party or none in the government should use anything but government servers and none should be allowed to be deleted.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
Why would anyone need a crystal ball to know that information about a secret program (ie. spy satellite) is classified information?

IOh, in other words you are just making up what you want as you go along.  got it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on August 31, 2015, 05:30:17 PM
It's a laughable defense.   It is a red herring tactic.

Well, gosh and golly. 

Now why would I think he would read what i said instead of repeat the lies?

Number 12

NO ONE in government of any party democrat or republican or other should use anything but government email servers and not be able to delete.

I say all those republicans you excuse are the same as clinton.  You just excuse  many dozens and accuse few.

But then how could you troll if you actually read what I said instead of make things up?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 01, 2015, 09:09:11 AM
Yeah, yeah, pointing out your republicans did it in the past is "just the past, forget it"

Wow,

Did what?    those emails were "found"...   ;)
and You refuse to read that I said that was wrong when it happened. 

what about Hillary's and they are still looking through Lerners - what the judge will force them to release.

Are you advocating that her private emails are not subject to scrutiny - because she says so?

Living in the past as a defense isn't working as you keep citing flawed articles that are outdated -
They found all those emails you are crying about!   
BTW - What did your watchdog group find in those?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 01, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
Next batch of Hillary emails is out...

only 125 found classified - now .....   to bad she didn't know what could or couldn't be classified...  per her own email she didn't like their pesky rules.
Quote
Clinton also expressed frustration with the State Department's treatment of certain ordinary documents as classified. After an aide noted the draft of innocuous remarks about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was on the State Department's classified messaging system, she responded, "It's a public statement! Just email it."


Never mind what the State Department called Classified - she had her own special rules!


=========================================================
<clip>
But in a few of the emails, Clinton and her aides noted the constraints of discussing sensitive subjects when working outside of the government's secure messaging systems — and the need to protect such information.

Senior adviser Alec Ross, in a February 2010 email intended for Clinton, cited frustration with "the boundaries of unclassified email" in a message about an unspecified country, which Ross referred to as "the country we discussed." The email appears to focus on civil unrest in Iran during the period preceding the Green Movement, when Iranian protesters used social media and the Internet to unsuccessfully challenge the re-election of then-President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

In an exchange from Feb. 6, 2010, Clinton asks aide Huma Abedin for talking points for a call she's about to have with the newly appointed foreign minister of Ecuador. "You are congratulating him on becoming foreign minister, and purpose is to establish a personal relationship with him," Abedin replied. "Trying to get u call sheet, its classified...."

<clip>

Clinton also expressed frustration with the State Department's treatment of certain ordinary documents as classified. After an aide noted the draft of innocuous remarks about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was on the State Department's classified messaging system, she responded, "It's a public statement! Just email it."

Sent a moment later, the statement merely said that U.S. and British officials would work together to promote peace. "Well that is certainly worthy of being top secret," Clinton responded sarcastically.

entire article at:
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/09/01/clinton-aides-stressed-protecting-state-dept-info-in-email (http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/09/01/clinton-aides-stressed-protecting-state-dept-info-in-email)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 01, 2015, 09:52:47 AM
I guess the tech people will understand better the co-mingling of a server with multiple accounts and the security risks of hacker access - but it appears the secrecy of the operation was more critical than security.

=====================================================
<clip>
But the most damning part of last night's document dump comes from Patrick Howley, who has reportedly discovered Clinton not only used a personal server and email address to conduct all of her State Department business, but that she also used and shared the same server with the Clinton Foundation.

Hillary Clinton’s private email server was housed at the same physical location and on the same network as an email server used and operated by the Clinton Foundation, Breitbart News has exclusively learned.

Records reveal that Hillary Clinton’s private clintonemail.com server shared an IP address with her husband Bill Clinton’s email server, presidentclinton.com, and both servers were housed in New York City, not in the basement of the Clintons’ Chappaqua, New York home.

Web archives show that the Presidentclinton.com Web address was being operated by the Clinton Foundation as of 2009, when Hillary Clinton registered her own clintonemail.com server.

Numerous Clinton Foundation employees used the presidentclinton.com server for their own email addresses, which means that they were using email accounts that, if hacked, would have given any hacker complete access to Hillary Clinton’s State Department emails, as well.
Because if the SAME IP ADDRESS was being used for Hillary's email as SecState AND for The Clinton Foundation, the streams just crossed.

— Brian Cates (@drawandstrike) September 1, 2015
Keep on mind that Clinton claimed the server was "protected by the Secret Service" in her Chappaqua home during a press conference about the email scandal in March of this year. That claim also seems to be false.

Not only does this new revelation present a conflict of interest, but brings us back to news from earlier this year about Hillary Clinton trading political favors at the State Department for donations to the Clinton Foundation. Further, it reaffirms the belief of many voters than Hillary Clinton is a liar.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/01/oh-boy-clinton-reportedly-used-private-server-for-clinton-foundation-and-state-department-business-n2046399 (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/01/oh-boy-clinton-reportedly-used-private-server-for-clinton-foundation-and-state-department-business-n2046399)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 01:00:47 PM
Did what?    those emails were "found"...   ;)
and You refuse to read that I said that was wrong when it happened. 

Oh, so they were found and all is forgiven.. WOW!

funny how you cry that the ones found of clinton are so bad... Wait, they were found, oh, so THEY are bad because she is democrat and those republicans were just fine.

Did you get the part where YOUR REPUBLICANS swept it under the rug and did nothing to keep it from happening?

The people you defend said it was all hunky dorey, just like you because , as you say, rove apologized, even though he was just one of them.

Also, you ignore that YOUR REPUBLICANS hid and fought in court until Obama came into office and said to try and get those emails.  Oh, but YOUR REPUBLICANS are still forgiven because you say Rove apologized, now amended to nothing happened because SOME of the emails were found.  Yet, now cry hard that Clinton's are found.

Quote
what about Hillary's and they are still looking through Lerners - what the judge will force them to release.

Are you advocating that her private emails are not subject to scrutiny - because she says so?

go for it.  I have no problem.  See, NUMBER13 - NO ONE, not of any party in government should use anything but government servers and not be  able to delete.  Private email can then be private?  Get it?

Oh, and how do you excuse that Jeb deleted a huge bunch of his mail because he SAID it was private..  Yep, take his word for it.  Oh, and what about the crime against Florida.  Their law says he can use a private server, just that he has to turn over 100% BEFORE leaving office.  He had to be sued for years to get what they finally did and NOTHING about his crimes.

It isn't even that they were far past, you and your republicans excuse them even now.

Quote
Living in the past as a defense isn't working as you keep citing flawed articles that are outdated -
They found all those emails you are crying about!   
BTW - What did your watchdog group find in those?

Yeah, trying to get you to admit you are just partisan is not working.
Yep, they found some, and a lot they KNOW are gone forever.  But, yep, you excuse them because some were found.  Any excuse for your republicans.

Did you know it wasn't MY watchdog group. 

Did you know that the national archives, a part of government was suing Bush damn near the entire time he was president for openly and purposefully not saving email?
Nope, you just wanted something to try and insult.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 01:02:50 PM
I guess the tech people will understand better the co-mingling of a server with multiple accounts and the security risks of hacker access - but it appears the secrecy of the operation was more critical than security.


Well, wow, why didn't you crystal ball that to those many people using gwb43 private server so much. 

Oh, that's right, it doesn't matter, some of the emails were recovered, so we know no one hacked that many accounts on a private server.  Nope. 

Quote
=====================================================
<clip>
But the most damning part of last night's document dump comes from Patrick Howley, who has reportedly discovered Clinton not only used a personal server and email address to conduct all of her State Department business, but that she also used and shared the same server with the Clinton Foundation.

Hillary Clinton’s private email server was housed at the same physical location and on the same network as an email server used and operated by the Clinton Foundation, Breitbart News has exclusively learned.

Records reveal that Hillary Clinton’s private clintonemail.com server shared an IP address with her husband Bill Clinton’s email server, presidentclinton.com, and both servers were housed in New York City, not in the basement of the Clintons’ Chappaqua, New York home.

Web archives show that the Presidentclinton.com Web address was being operated by the Clinton Foundation as of 2009, when Hillary Clinton registered her own clintonemail.com server.

Numerous Clinton Foundation employees used the presidentclinton.com server for their own email addresses, which means that they were using email accounts that, if hacked, would have given any hacker complete access to Hillary Clinton’s State Department emails, as well.
Because if the SAME IP ADDRESS was being used for Hillary's email as SecState AND for The Clinton Foundation, the streams just crossed.

— Brian Cates (@drawandstrike) September 1, 2015
Keep on mind that Clinton claimed the server was "protected by the Secret Service" in her Chappaqua home during a press conference about the email scandal in March of this year. That claim also seems to be false.

Not only does this new revelation present a conflict of interest, but brings us back to news from earlier this year about Hillary Clinton trading political favors at the State Department for donations to the Clinton Foundation. Further, it reaffirms the belief of many voters than Hillary Clinton is a liar.
[url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/01/oh-boy-clinton-reportedly-used-private-server-for-clinton-foundation-and-state-department-business-n2046399[/url] ([url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/09/01/oh-boy-clinton-reportedly-used-private-server-for-clinton-foundation-and-state-department-business-n2046399[/url])
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
The writer, Buck Sexton, is Ex-CIA and worked for NYPD Intel.

Hillary Clinton Should Be Worried About Prison, Not Polls

First on the list – there are in fact more classified messages, up to 188 from the previous 63. At this point, even the Clinton campaign admits classified information was stored on Hillary’s server. So yes, Hillary lied when she claimed back in March she never sent anyone classified material. That blanket statement has been modified with “classified at the time,” because there was a lot of classified in emails she sent and received – it’s just that they were classified “after.”

The problem for the Clinton camp is, that’s not how the national security classification system works. It’s the information – not the markings on the page – that makes it sensitive. Hillary is essentially claiming that, in almost 200 instances identified so far, she never thought what she was emailing necessitated a secure government system. To put it in plain parlance, she wouldn’t know classified information if it stared her in the face.

Once or twice is a mistake – 188 times is a policy.  Hillary just didn’t care about classified information.

While incompetence may be an enticing excuse for Hillary and company, it also doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Hillary was the secretary of state, and as such, she had an elevated obligation to protect classified information. She had a phalanx of lawyers and advisors to make sure she stayed well within the bounds of operational security, and had access to a secure email system whenever she wanted it.

In reality, her personal, homebrew server, not a secure government system, was her default choice. That meant that, instead of erring on the side of protecting national security data – even if that meant an abundance of caution – Hillary opted for absolute control over her own electronic records.

But it gets worse for Hillary. You see, as secretary of state she would have been engaged in diplomatic correspondence with senior officials from foreign governments. This sort of exchange is almost always, under all circumstances, classified. If she passed that over open channels to her staff, it’s a security violation. Negligence, not ignorance, would be Hillary’s only explanation for her failure to treat it as classified information.

For a secretary of state, a lot of what you do is classified. It’s not after the fact, kinda-sorta-maybe classified. It is 100 percent protected national security information.

For a refresher on how the State Department feels about diplomatic secrecy, go back and look at how apoplectic State was at Chelsea (formerly Bradley) Manning for stealing and transferring gigabytes worth of their data onto the open web.

That stuff was classified for good reason. In some countries – many in fact – if you speak too frankly about leadership, or blow the whistle on corruption, you don’t just get fired, you get buried. If our diplomats can’t protect secrets, they aren’t worth much abroad.

So if some foreign minister tells Hillary that he loves Wheaties for breakfast, the information originator’s default position is to classify it, just to be on the safe side, because you are talking about senior government officials who deal with a lot of sensitive info all day long. When in doubt, you protect classified information.

But let’s put this classification debate aside for a moment, and focus on Clinton’s most damning act. It’s not the roughly 55,000 emails she has turned over that we really want to see – it’s the 30,000 she deleted.

Remember, Hillary’s entire email scheme was intended to evade transparency and she almost got away with it. If it weren’t for a hacker, and the House investigation into the terrorist attack in Benghazi, we would never have known a thing about Clinton’s shady email maneuvers.

Despite the outing of her homebrew server, Hillary was able to wipe it clean. That means tens of thousands of emails were destroyed based on nothing more than Hillary’s discretion.

Trust me, the really interesting emails – the kind that would immediately derail a presidential campaign and could lead to prison time – Hillary deleted those a long time ago.

Whether that deletion was final remains to be seen. We have to wait and see what the FBI can recover from the server. There will be more classified information on there, but unless it is “marked classified,” the Clinton campaign will stick to stonewalling and talking points. Unless Hillary was sending emails with “Nuclear secrets for China” in the subject line, you can expect her media defenders to remain obstinate.

But there is another vulnerability, one that gets far less attention than the risk to classified information – the Clinton Foundation. Despite obvious ethical pitfalls, Hillary was still involved with her global slush fund fronting as a charity while secretary of state. Her grasping, unscrupulous husband, never one to shy away from a payday even if North Korea is involved was receiving preposterous sums of money for the pleasure of his company.

Follow the foundation trail. If Hillary has to suspend her campaign, it is more likely to result from emails that expose the rank quid pro quo corruption of the Clinton empire than from any breach of classified protocols.

No matter what the media says, or how fast the Clinton machine spins, there is both smoke and fire to Hillary’s email scandal. Even in the scrubbed version of her disclosed emails, there is more than ample evidence that Hillary lied, acted stupidly and broke the law, at least as its understood to apply to the non-Clintons of the world.

Despite all this, it is almost certain she will never trade in her pantsuit for prison stripes. The Democrat statist machine is too powerful, and she plays too large a role in it. She should face the justice system like anyone else in her circumstance would. It won’t happen.

[url]http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/hillary-clinton-should-be-worried-about-prison-not-polls/[/url] ([url]http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/hillary-clinton-should-be-worried-about-prison-not-polls/[/url])


I am done bothering. You win, you are partisan and don't care.

I didn't read your newest copy/paste... did you notice you copy huge articles copy/paste more than ff now?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 01, 2015, 08:30:53 PM
I am done bothering. You win, you are partisan and don't care.

I didn't read your newest copy/paste... did you notice you copy huge articles copy/paste more than ff now?

LOL!

Coming from the Independent Ducksoup.

What a joke.

Look at your little picture.

Like you aren't 100% Liberal Communist Democrat.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 08:36:06 PM
LOL!

Coming from the Independent Ducksoup.

What a joke.

Look at your little picture.

Like you aren't 100% Liberal Communist Democrat.

NUMBER 15.... since you still refuse to read.

NO ONE in of any party in government should be allowed to use anything but government servers and not be allowed to delete.  It was wrong when your republicans did it even though you excuse all of them, or they would have done something to stop it from happening. and it is also wrong for democrats.

Sadly for you troll, I have been consistent, unlike you.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 01, 2015, 08:38:42 PM
NUMBER 15.... since you still refuse to read.

NO ONE in of any party in government should be allowed to use anything but government servers and not be allowed to delete.  It was wrong when your republicans did it even though you excuse all of them, or they would have done something to stop it from happening. and it is also wrong for democrats.

Sadly for you troll, I have been consistent, unlike you.

Consistently Trollish - I will agree with that.

Consistently Argumentative - Definitely.

Consistently Insulting - For sure.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 01, 2015, 09:48:38 PM
The problem for the Clinton camp is, that’s not how the national security classification system works. It’s the information – not the markings on the page – that makes it sensitive. Hillary is essentially claiming that, in almost 200 instances identified so far, she never thought what she was emailing necessitated a secure government system. To put it in plain parlance, she wouldn’t know classified information if it stared her in the face.

Once or twice is a mistake – 188 times is a policy.  Hillary just didn’t care about classified information.
[url]http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/hillary-clinton-should-be-worried-about-prison-not-polls/[/url] ([url]http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/hillary-clinton-should-be-worried-about-prison-not-polls/[/url])

LOL  the very point I was trying to get across...   

She was either really bad or really didn't care about learning the classification system!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 01, 2015, 09:50:55 PM
I am done bothering. You win, you are partisan and don't care.

I didn't read your newest copy/paste... did you notice you copy huge articles copy/paste more than ff now?

Funny thing is he actually had a source...    ;)

But don't let facts get in the way  ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 01, 2015, 10:32:05 PM
Funny thing is he actually had a source...    ;)

But don't let facts get in the way  ;D

Well congratulations.  Your buddies use any excuse to insult fry for posting articles.  You know saying copy paste.  Yet you defend your fellow republican for the same.

Sure, did you read his link?

Your proved record of ignoring and not reading what links I post is far approved.  But I think you are proud you ignore them to continue the LIES.

Number 16
No one of any party should use anything but government servers and not be allowed to delete.  I believed it when the republicans you excuse did it and still do.  That you are only partisan is a given.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 06:28:02 AM
The writer, Buck Sexton, is Ex-CIA and worked for NYPD Intel.

Hillary Clinton Should Be Worried About Prison, Not Polls]
Emails pose no criminal risk for Hillary Clinton
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-pose-no-criminal-risk-for-hillary-clinton-yet-legal-experts-say/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-pose-no-criminal-risk-for-hillary-clinton-yet-legal-experts-say/)

===

Hillary Clinton email scandal: Legal experts see no criminal activity
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/hillary_clinton_email_scandal_1.html (http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/hillary_clinton_email_scandal_1.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 06:28:55 AM
Consistently Trollish - I will agree with that.

Consistently Argumentative - Definitely.

Consistently Insulting - For sure.
LOL!

Psychological projection.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 02, 2015, 09:37:58 AM
Emails pose no criminal risk for Hillary Clinton
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-pose-no-criminal-risk-for-hillary-clinton-yet-legal-experts-say/[/url] ([url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-pose-no-criminal-risk-for-hillary-clinton-yet-legal-experts-say/[/url])


Wow!  It is pretty funny that you felt the need to edit the title of your linked article. 

It is telling that you twisted the title to support the story that you wanted tell. 

Emails pose no criminal risk for Hillary Clinton yet, legal experts say

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-pose-no-criminal-risk-for-hillary-clinton-yet-legal-experts-say/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-pose-no-criminal-risk-for-hillary-clinton-yet-legal-experts-say/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 09:44:20 AM
Wow!  It is pretty funny that you felt the need to edit the title of your linked article. 

It is telling that you twisted the title to support the story that you wanted tell. 

Emails pose no criminal risk for Hillary Clinton yet, legal experts say

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-pose-no-criminal-risk-for-hillary-clinton-yet-legal-experts-say/[/url] ([url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-pose-no-criminal-risk-for-hillary-clinton-yet-legal-experts-say/[/url])
That wasn't an edit.

I merely posted the pertinent part.

One didn't even have to click the link to see it stated the whole thing.

But it was a nice attempt to deflect from your dishonesty.

The bottom line...your allegations were false.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 02, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
That wasn't an edit.

I merely posted the pertinent part.

One didn't even have to click the link to see it stated the whole thing.

But it was a nice attempt to deflect from your dishonesty.

The bottom line...your allegations were false.
LOL   nice try to explain

I've done the same and been called out for only posting pertinent parts. 
Your turn
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 09:51:11 AM
LOL   nice try to explain

I've done the same and been called out for only posting pertinent parts. 
Your turn
What is with you two and the tag-teaming? Answering for each other?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 02, 2015, 10:22:12 AM
Duck, could you take this one?
LOL...you tried to evoke fear on the Ebola topic like you always do...while the title I posted...
Emails pose no criminal risk for Hillary Clinton
...directly refuted the assertion you were trying to make about legality, or illegality.

Of course I know how you'd rather keep the the questions, and the suspicions open to impart that fear you enjoy so much...but the fact remains...nothing illegal was found.

No matter here though...I still don't like her.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 02, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
Funny how a refresher and research can get you back onto the topic of Hillary and her job as the head of a Department in the Federal Government that dealt with matters that could be important - and yes even classified whether she thought it so or not!


Who recalls Hillary's own Cable to her diplomatic and consular staff?
(Unclassified of course)  ;D
http://personal.crocodoc.com/FxwYMfs (http://personal.crocodoc.com/FxwYMfs)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/03/05/state-department-cable-june-28-2011/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/03/05/state-department-cable-june-28-2011/)

Seems she was into the do as I say instead of do as I do mode.

Sections 1 & 2: basically a notice that  they were aware of cyberattacks against emails on non-secure servers

Section 3 d) is the most damaging to her "defense"...
it says "avoid conducting official Department business from your personal e-mail accounts"

Signed
Clinton
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 02, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
So, I was wondering why the excuses changed from the Bush email scandal being all forgiven because Rove apologized to they are forgiven and excused because the courts forced the attempted recovery might have recovered most.

Today I notice that nearly a week ago Hillary apologized.

So, why is the partisan witch hunt still going?  You excused 88 people deleting 22 million emails off a private server because Rove apologized.

Surely you would not be extremely partisan and excuse your republicans while carrying on a witch hunt?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 02, 2015, 12:30:20 PM
Oh, oh, I forgot the link.... Will it be ignored, or an excuse be made that rove's apology was real, but Clinton's isn't because partisan witch hunts mean so much to the party.t
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/27/wesley-pruden-hillary-clinton-offers-late-apology-/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/27/wesley-pruden-hillary-clinton-offers-late-apology-/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 02, 2015, 12:37:45 PM
I've never believed in an argument based on a premise that two wrongs don't make a right!

What she did was wrong, what they did was wrong, what needs to be done is stop it going forward.  Who gives a ratsass about party line loyalty here, or who violated it the most......it's insignificant to the "wrong"!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 02, 2015, 12:52:01 PM
I said the same thing - but apparently it isn't good enough...

Can't recall anything about excusing Rove like duck says...    would be nice to see the source of that opinion   -
I only recall saying he was the only person named - so I compared him to Hillary.
I've been consistent he was wrong if they show he did it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 02, 2015, 12:56:44 PM
I've never believed in an argument based on a premise that two wrongs don't make a right!

What she did was wrong, what they did was wrong, what needs to be done is stop it going forward.  Who gives a ratsass about party line loyalty here, or who violated it the most......it's insignificant to the "wrong"!
As I have said many times. 


What is the goal to this witch hunt?

Obama made it illegal to do.

Legal people and even legislators know she did nothing illegal.

It is not a secret that they are trying to find some dirt in the emails, specifically Bengali, but anything at all.

Number 17
No one in government of any party should be allowed to use anything but government servers and not be able to delete.

It is not simply pointing out that republicans did it far worse with 88people in the white house using an unsecured private server, but also purposefully deleted 22 million emails.  But also deleted more than 400 entirely off government servers.  Some were eventually recovered, but still many critical days are missing.

I don't just blame the republicans for excusing them.  Democrats didn't harp it day after day for years like republicans do now.  Republicans didn't want to change the law and democrats must have agreed and helped sweep it under the rug.

I don't want it happening again.  I did not want a repeat after the Bush years.  I am saddened that it SHOULD have been made illegal long ago and not excused.

Last... Obama made it illegal, but if I got it right, a new president can change it right back.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 02, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
As I have said many times. 


What is the goal to this witch hunt?

Obama made it illegal to do.

Legal people and even legislators know she did nothing illegal.

It is not a secret that they are trying to find some dirt in the emails, specifically Bengali, but anything at all.

Number 17
No one in government of any party should be allowed to use anything but government servers and not be able to delete.

It is not simply pointing out that republicans did it far worse with 88people in the white house using an unsecured private server, but also purposefully deleted 22 million emails.  But also deleted more than 400 entirely off government servers.  Some were eventually recovered, but still many critical days are missing.

I don't just blame the republicans for excusing them.  Democrats didn't harp it day after day for years like republicans do now.  Republicans didn't want to change the law and democrats must have agreed and helped sweep it under the rug.

I don't want it happening again.  I did not want a repeat after the Bush years.  I am saddened that it SHOULD have been made illegal long ago and not excused.

Last... Obama made it illegal, but if I got it right, a new president can change it right back.


I thought this was a good read, but again, I DON"T CARE who did what before, nor do I care what party they belonged to, nor do I care about a witch hunt.......to continue to rant about it is annoying.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law (http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 02, 2015, 03:43:20 PM
I thought this was a good read, but again, I DON"T CARE who did what before, nor do I care what party they belonged to, nor do I care about a witch hunt.......to continue to rant about it is annoying.

[url]http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law[/url] ([url]http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law[/url])


From the article:
Quote
Wonderlich also found it ethically challenged, if not legally, for Clinton and her team to have been the filter for her emails:

"The final arbiter of what's public or what's turned over to Congress shouldn't be private staff working for Hillary Clinton. It should be State Department employees who are bound by duty to the public interest."


And one of the major issues with someone seeking "Higher" office -

Ethics   

Of course she learned from the Best  ;D

Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs#)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 02, 2015, 04:00:36 PM
I did read the article, it was good.

I also see that you cherry picked to make a partisan rant.

BUt, the part I got I find sad.  See, even though I have said Obama has made it illegal, the article clearly says those outside the admin still use private email for government business and determine what is classified or should be saved on their own.  STILL!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 02, 2015, 06:38:10 PM

At about the 55 second mark, Joe Scarborough is surprised when he learned that Hillary Clinton had urged one of her aides to send classified information to her private email address.

What The New Hillary Clinton Emails Reveal | MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=233&v=prluShdJ6nU#)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 02, 2015, 06:47:01 PM
Hillary is not dumb, she is stupid though.  She knew what she was getting into with a private email.  She had no idea it would bite her.  It was worth it to her so she had total control of her emails and would make sure they were all deleted.  She just didn't understand all the technology and that the msgs would show up someplace.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 02, 2015, 07:13:17 PM
Hillary is not dumb, she is stupid though.  She knew what she was getting into with a private email.  She had no idea it would bite her.  It was worth it to her so she had total control of her emails and would make sure they were all deleted.  She just didn't understand all the technology and that the msgs would show up someplace.

It seems reasonable to have gone through this trouble and risk U.S. National Security to keep your yoga routines private.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 02, 2015, 07:38:16 PM
I'm sure to her it did and also to her incompetent boss.  It's obvious neither one cares very much about us or our country.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 03, 2015, 08:45:13 AM
Well we have it - the next individual in the e-mail messes to plead the 5th...

It's that self incrimination thing again like Lerner...   they know more than they want congress to know - because they believe it would incriminate them in something illegal ...   
Doesn't make them guilty - but sure does open up more questions from the appearance that this person knows or knew of something that maybe wasn't proper  8*

=======================================================
Clinton Ex-Aide Likely to Invoke 5th Amendment Over Questions on Email Server

A former aide to Hillary Rodham Clinton who helped set up the server that housed Mrs. Clinton’s private email account plans to invoke his Fifth Amendment right in response to congressional questions about the email practices, according to two people who have been briefed on the matter.

The former aide, Bryan Pagliano, was subpoenaed to testify before a House committee, but a lawyer for Mr. Pagliano has told the panel that his client will assert his right to remain silent and decline to answer their questions.

The subpoena was issued by the House committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya. As part of its inquiry, the panel is examining Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private email account while she was secretary of state, which shielded her correspondences from congressional inquiries.

Mr. Pagliano was the information technology director for Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign and then worked at the State Department as an adviser and special projects manager for its chief technology officer, according to his LinkedIn page. He left the State Department in February 2013, the same month Mrs. Clinton stepped down as secretary of state.

It is not clear why Mr. Pagliano is refusing to answer questions about the server. The F.B.I. is investigating how classified information was handled in connection with the account, but no evidence has surfaced that Mr. Pagliano had anything to do with those materials.

Mr. Pagliano’s lawyer, Mark MacDougall, declined to comment.

A Clinton campaign aide said that Mr. Pagliano’s decision was “both understandable and disappointing to us, because we believe he has every reason to be transparent about his I.T. assistance.”

“We had hoped Bryan would also agree to answer any questions from the committee and had recently encouraged him to grant the committee’s request for an interview,” the aide said.

The aide added: “Bryan is an utter professional and a wonderful young man who does not live in the public eye and understandably may not wish to be drawn into a political spectacle.”

The Republican-controlled committee had planned to call Mr. Pagliano to testify behind closed doors, similar to the way it has interviewed some top aides to Mrs. Clinton and Americans who were in Benghazi.

Even if Mr. Pagliano does not back down, the panel will probably still call him to testify and force him to invoke the Fifth Amendment in person.

Mr. Pagliano’s response to the subpoena was first reported by The Washington Post

Mrs. Clinton’s longtime lawyer and adviser, Cheryl Mills, is scheduled to testify before the committee on Thursday. The panel wants to ask her about how the email account was set up and how Mrs. Clinton decided which emails she should hand over to the State Department in response to its request last year for government records from the account.

Nick Merrill, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, “had made every effort to answer questions and be as helpful as possible and has encouraged her aides, current and former, to do the same, including Bryan Pagliano.”

“In fact, two of those aides are due to testify this week, and she is eager to testify in a public hearing in October,” Mr. Merrill said.

The ranking Democratic member of the House committee, Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, defended Mr. Pagliano’s decision.

“Although multiple legal experts agree there is no evidence of criminal activity, it is certainly understandable that this witness’s attorneys advised him to assert his Fifth Amendment rights, especially given the onslaught of wild and unsubstantiated accusations by Republican presidential candidates, members of Congress and others based on false leaks about the investigation,” Mr. Cummings said.

“Their insatiable desire to derail Secretary Clinton’s presidential campaign at all costs has real consequences for any serious congressional effort,” he added.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/02/former-clinton-aide-to-invoke-fifth-amendment-in-response-to-congressional-questions-over-private-email-server/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Politics&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/02/former-clinton-aide-to-invoke-fifth-amendment-in-response-to-congressional-questions-over-private-email-server/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Politics&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 03, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
he did
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 03, 2015, 11:34:06 AM
Quote
“Meet the Press” moderator Chuck Todd noted there was likely wrongdoing at play if such rights are exercised.

“In a court of public opinion when you plead the Fifth, as far as the political world is concerned, then you’re already admitting to some potential wrong doing, regardless of the legal part of this,” Todd said.


Separating the legal from the court of public opinion -   explained by Chuck Todd

==================================================
Thursday on NBC’s “Today,” while discussing Bryan Pagliano, the former staffer who helped set up Hillary Clinton’s private email server plans to assert his Fifth Amendment rights before the Benghazi Congressional Committee, “Meet the Press” moderator Chuck Todd noted there was likely wrongdoing at play if such rights are exercised.

“In a court of public opinion when you plead the Fifth, as far as the political world is concerned, then you’re already admitting to some potential wrong doing, regardless of the legal part of this,” Todd said. “This is what makes this investigation so potentially damaging to Hillary Clinton. Not just now, but it’s also a reminder that — let’s take the campaign at their word that they encouraged Mr. Pagliano to testify, what is in the best interest of Hillary Clinton may not be in the best interest of Mr. Pagliano. Which is of course, as you know, what a lawyer may have told him. When it comes to handling classified information you can easily see this lawyer telling him, ‘hey, you set up the — you did this— you may get tagged as inadvertently mishandling classified information. And guess what, even inadvertently mishandling classified information could lead to legal problems down the road.”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/09/03/todd-hillary-aide-taking-the-fifth-politically-looks-like-admitting-wrong-doing/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/09/03/todd-hillary-aide-taking-the-fifth-politically-looks-like-admitting-wrong-doing/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 03, 2015, 01:16:45 PM
Anybody that works for the government should cooperate with the legal process.  If they choose not to then they Lose their job and benefits.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 03, 2015, 01:41:52 PM
Anybody that works for the government should cooperate with the legal process.  If they choose not to then they Lose their job and benefits.

I agree!

Citizenship has one set of rights and obligations.

Employment - a whole different set of standards and obligations.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 03, 2015, 07:40:00 PM

Bryan Pagliano absolutely has the right to invoke the Fifth Amendment.

We absolutely have the right to take an adverse inference from it about his guilt.
Pleading the Fifth Doesn’t Make You Guilty

...perfectly justifiable reasons to plead the Fifth.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/pleading-the-fifth-lois-lerner-irs.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/pleading-the-fifth-lois-lerner-irs.html)

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You take the Fifth because the government can’t be trusted. You take the Fifth because what the truth is, and what the government thinks the truth is, are two very different things. You take the Fifth because even if you didn’t do anything wrong your statements can be used as building blocks in dishonest, or malicious, or politically motivated prosecutions against you. You take the Fifth because if you answer questions truthfully the government may still decide you are lying and prosecute you for lying.
https://bawdyhouse.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/why-would-an-innocent-person-plead-the-fifth/ (https://bawdyhouse.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/why-would-an-innocent-person-plead-the-fifth/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 03, 2015, 11:35:47 PM
(http://)
Pleading the Fifth Doesn’t Make You Guilty

...perfectly justifiable reasons to plead the Fifth.
[url]http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/pleading-the-fifth-lois-lerner-irs.html[/url] ([url]http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/pleading-the-fifth-lois-lerner-irs.html[/url])

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You take the Fifth because the government can’t be trusted. You take the Fifth because what the truth is, and what the government thinks the truth is, are two very different things. You take the Fifth because even if you didn’t do anything wrong your statements can be used as building blocks in dishonest, or malicious, or politically motivated prosecutions against you. You take the Fifth because if you answer questions truthfully the government may still decide you are lying and prosecute you for lying.
[url]https://bawdyhouse.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/why-would-an-innocent-person-plead-the-fifth/[/url] ([url]https://bawdyhouse.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/why-would-an-innocent-person-plead-the-fifth/[/url])


Yep I'm sure that's why he is pleading the 5th - even though his former employer is suggesting he tells the truth to congress   ;)

You don't take the 5th for political reasons - it's to keep yourself from going to jail/prison!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 05, 2015, 01:03:11 PM
Well at least now we know more about the "arrangement"
and why he's pleading the 5th...
he was trying to keep the deal secret from the State Department - and now is caught lying.

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As a State Department employee, Pagliano did not list the outside income on his personal financial disclosures, according to the Post. Pagliano ended full-time employment at the State Department in February 2013, when Clinton left office.


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State Dept. IT staffer also paid by Clinton family

WASHINGTON — A State Department worker refusing to testify about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's private email arrangement was paid by the Clinton family to maintain the outside computer network while she was in office, the Washington Post reported Saturday.

The arrangement allowed Clinton to have control over her personal and official email communications but, according to an unnamed official with the Clinton presidential campaign, also make sure that taxpayer dollars were not used to maintain the Clinton family server, the newspaper reported.

The staffer, Bryan Pagliano, was the IT director on Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign and continued to be paid by the Clinton family even after taking a job at the State Department in 2009, the Post reported, citing the campaign official and another unnamed source.

A spokesman for the Clinton campaign on Saturday confirmed the account about the family's computer system at their home in Chappaqua, N.Y.

"Bryan was hired by the Clinton family as a consultant in order to help out periodically with the management of the system in Chappaqua that hosted the family's emails," Nick Merrill said on Twitter.

Clinton's use of a private email system while she was Secretary of State has become part of the latest congressional investigation into the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya. And the FBI is reviewing the security of the private email arrangement because of concerns that it involved classified information.

Pagliano earlier informed the House Select Committee on Benghazi that he would invoke his Fifth Amendment right and not answer questions.

Earlier this week, a spokesman for Clinton's presidential campaign defended the email arrangement.

"We have been confident from the beginning that Hillary Clinton's use of a personal email (server) was allowed and that she did not send or receive anything marked classified, facts confirmed by the State Department and the inspector general," Merrill said. "She has made every effort to answer questions and be as helpful as possible, and has encouraged her aides, current and former, to do the same, including Bryan Pagliano."

As a State Department employee, Pagliano did not list the outside income on his personal financial disclosures, according to the Post. Pagliano ended full-time employment at the State Department in February 2013, when Clinton left office.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner was asked Sept. 1 who at the agency signed off on Clinton's use of a private email account while she was in office.

"My unsatisfactory but necessary answer to that is, again, that's not our role in this process to really answer that question publicly; that there are reviews and investigations underway that will look at possibly some of these issues is for other entities to speak to," Toner told reporters.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/09/05/state-department-staffer-also-paid--clintons/71767568/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/09/05/state-department-staffer-also-paid--clintons/71767568/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 05, 2015, 01:47:33 PM
Gee you think they ask people about their finances at the State Department to ensure no one is inappropriately making money while dealing with classified materials and maybe even classified emails  ;)


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Pagliano listed the initial payment on financial disclosures he filed in April 2009 but did not catalog the continuing income in required filings in later years. The State Department reportedly found no evidence that Pagliano ever informed them that he was making an outside salary.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-paid-outside-salary-to-state-dept-staffer-for-server-upkeep/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-paid-outside-salary-to-state-dept-staffer-for-server-upkeep/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 05, 2015, 10:30:30 PM
Gee Crickets chirping -
Must be waiting for the thinkprogress response to tell them how to reply ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 05, 2015, 10:33:44 PM
Gee Crickets chirping -
Must be waiting for the thinkprogress response to tell them how to reply ;D
why shoold anyone post anything.  As you demanded, this is only a topic about picking on democrats  and if I am not picking on democrats it is forbidden.  It doesn't matter that you boys have done it all even more.  So why should I care.  You just want to insult.. damn there I go again, you just want to say funnies that are partisan.. dang there I go again I am the only one partisan here... You would never do that.

But, obviously you need someone to troll with your garbage or you wouldn't be posting asking for volunteers to get your kicks.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 05, 2015, 10:35:14 PM
why shoold anyone post anything.  As you demanded, this is only a topic about picking on democrats  and if I am not picking on democrats it is forbidden.  It doesn't matter that you boys have done it all even more.  So why should I care.  You just want to insult.. damn there I go again, you just want to say funnies that are partisan.. dang there I go again I am the only one partisan here... You would never do that.

But, obviously you need someone to troll with your garbage or you wouldn't be posting asking for volunteers to get your kicks.


(http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/grammarnazilogo1.jpg?w=300&h=298)

 ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2015, 10:37:05 AM
why shoold anyone post anything.  As you demanded, this is only a topic about picking on democrats  and if I am not picking on democrats it is forbidden.  It doesn't matter that you boys have done it all even more.  So why should I care.  You just want to insult.. damn there I go again, you just want to say funnies that are partisan.. dang there I go again I am the only one partisan here... You would never do that.

But, obviously you need someone to troll with your garbage or you wouldn't be posting asking for volunteers to get your kicks.
So the only thread you care to discuss is Climate Change?   why troll and respond then?

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2015, 10:40:05 AM
No reply to the probable reason for Hillary's Aid to take the 5th - to keep their dealings "classified"?
   
and we all thought she didn't know how to identify stuff that needed to be classified  ;D



Well at least now we know more about the "arrangement"
and why he's pleading the 5th...
he was trying to keep the deal secret from the State Department - and now is caught lying.

==================================================
State Dept. IT staffer also paid by Clinton family

WASHINGTON — A State Department worker refusing to testify about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's private email arrangement was paid by the Clinton family to maintain the outside computer network while she was in office, the Washington Post reported Saturday.

The arrangement allowed Clinton to have control over her personal and official email communications but, according to an unnamed official with the Clinton presidential campaign, also make sure that taxpayer dollars were not used to maintain the Clinton family server, the newspaper reported.

The staffer, Bryan Pagliano, was the IT director on Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign and continued to be paid by the Clinton family even after taking a job at the State Department in 2009, the Post reported, citing the campaign official and another unnamed source.

A spokesman for the Clinton campaign on Saturday confirmed the account about the family's computer system at their home in Chappaqua, N.Y.

"Bryan was hired by the Clinton family as a consultant in order to help out periodically with the management of the system in Chappaqua that hosted the family's emails," Nick Merrill said on Twitter.

Clinton's use of a private email system while she was Secretary of State has become part of the latest congressional investigation into the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya. And the FBI is reviewing the security of the private email arrangement because of concerns that it involved classified information.

Pagliano earlier informed the House Select Committee on Benghazi that he would invoke his Fifth Amendment right and not answer questions.

Earlier this week, a spokesman for Clinton's presidential campaign defended the email arrangement.

"We have been confident from the beginning that Hillary Clinton's use of a personal email (server) was allowed and that she did not send or receive anything marked classified, facts confirmed by the State Department and the inspector general," Merrill said. "She has made every effort to answer questions and be as helpful as possible, and has encouraged her aides, current and former, to do the same, including Bryan Pagliano."

As a State Department employee, Pagliano did not list the outside income on his personal financial disclosures, according to the Post. Pagliano ended full-time employment at the State Department in February 2013, when Clinton left office.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner was asked Sept. 1 who at the agency signed off on Clinton's use of a private email account while she was in office.

"My unsatisfactory but necessary answer to that is, again, that's not our role in this process to really answer that question publicly; that there are reviews and investigations underway that will look at possibly some of these issues is for other entities to speak to," Toner told reporters.


[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/09/05/state-department-staffer-also-paid--clintons/71767568/[/url] ([url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/09/05/state-department-staffer-also-paid--clintons/71767568/[/url])
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 06, 2015, 10:51:17 AM
No reply to the probable reason for Hillary's Aid to take the 5th - to keep their dealings "classified"?
   
and we all thought she didn't know how to identify stuff that needed to be classified  ;D




Because you were sad that you had no one to troll.

Gee Crickets chirping -
Must be waiting for the thinkprogress response to tell them how to reply ;D

What is your goal.

It appears to be "i hate Hillary"  and no more.

Obama made it illegal, finally.
Is your goal to get the legislature to make it law for all government and permanent?

The current one only covers the administrative branch.  Looks like any president can walk in and do away with it.  As one of the articles I posted, that you read, I am sure, many in the other branches, particularly legislative, still can and do.

You don't care that others have done, or still are, but feel you must show your daily negativity to one person.

If you goal is, "I hate Hillary"  then you are on track.

If it is anything else, you forgot to mention that.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2015, 11:06:17 AM
Colin Powell was just on meet the press and was asked point blank about his use of emails...

He said he used his laptop for personal email - and the Departments classified system for his job as Secretary of State...

I thought Duck always said he did it too?     I'll believe his word over an undocumented claim.

How he managed with TWO systems on his desk and travels must have been something Hillary didn't think she could juggle...  ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 06, 2015, 11:49:40 AM
Colin Powell was just on meet the press and was asked point blank about his use of emails...

He said he used his laptop for personal email - and the Departments classified system for his job as Secretary of State...

I thought Duck always said he did it too?     I'll believe his word over an undocumented claim.

How he managed with TWO systems on his desk and travels must have been something Hillary didn't think she could juggle...  ;)


I thought you claimed you read what people posted, including the links you demand that you don't read, or ignore....

Oh...
But I retained none of those e-mails and we are working with the State Department to see if there’s anything else they want to discuss with me about those e-mails.
STEPHANOPOULOS: — they’ve asked you to turn them over, but you don’t have them, is that it?
POWELL: I don’t have any — I don’t have any to turn over. I did not keep a cache of them. I did not print them off. I do not have thousands of pages somewhere in my personal files.
And, in fact, a lot of the e-mails that came out of my personal account went into the State Department system. They were addressed to State Department employees and the State.gov domain. But I don’t know if the servers the State Department captured those or not.
And most — they were all unclassified and most of them, I think, are pretty benign, so I’m not terribly concerned even if they were able to recover them.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/08/republican-colin-powell-deals-death-blow-hillary-clinton-email-scandal.html (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/08/republican-colin-powell-deals-death-blow-hillary-clinton-email-scandal.html)

But, why read when you can claim I am a liar.
not that it wasn't already, but hey, reading links is not necessary to make stuff up.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2015, 01:31:09 PM
I thought you claimed you read what people posted, including the links you demand that you don't read, or ignore....


Well lets take a walk through history...  and the readers can decide "who's lying"  ;)

You said he didn't use the State department email system for business communications -
He says he did this morning on "Meet the Press"....

who should I believe?

and by the way your rant below is pretty embarassing  :-[

Poor baby, can’t answer in the real world so have to go for personal insults to avoid the topic. 


Therein lies the problem tea bagger.  Those are nice platitudes but need to be used fairly.  See, you and yours are bleating that Clinton did something new and no scuzzy republican ever did such a nasty thing.  But, they did dingaling.  I know Faux has not told you yet, but it is a fact that no Secretary of State - none, tea bagger - ever used public email before Kerry.

Speaking slowly just for you.  It means that your republicans did the same thing dodo.  Making up that Clinton is suddenly doing something no one else ever did is stupid.  But, then you tea bagger republicans don’t really care about facts, just the hate and lies.

So, according to your platitudes you should be condemning all the republican Secretaries of State before Clinton of being ghasty horrors that hid all kinds of illegal things in private email instead of public email.  Right?  Yeah, didn’t think you were man enough to join the real world.

Astute of you to notice that no one other than right wing nuts like you post here much, because you and your bagger buddies only care about the insults and hatred and shutting up anything but right wing Faux news spam.



Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 06, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
Well, there ya go then.  You refuse to read the link even though I posted some of the actual quotes.  Now, this one says he also used the nsa server.  That does not change that it is what news said.  It doesn't change that he just said he used private email.  You also know that the nsa server is not a secure server, right?

But, does it matter at all.   Your contention is that it only matters what clinton did, no one else.

You slyly skipped the question.  What is your goal?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2015, 03:06:55 PM
Well, there ya go then.  You refuse to read the link even though I posted some of the actual quotes.  Now, this one says he also used the nsa server.  That does not change that it is what news said.  It doesn't change that he just said he used private email.  You also know that the nsa server is not a secure server, right?

But, does it matter at all.   Your contention is that it only matters what clinton did, no one else.

You slyly skipped the question.  What is your goal?
Well since you asked nicely - there is no goal other than to show how slimy the Clinton's can be.
I know you've said you aren't fond of her - but you keep defending her it seems.

I did read and he did say he used two separate systems - one for personal stuff and one for  the "JOB"... 
The questions and "gotcha" from your article asked him about his personal ones - and he answered it well...  he wasn't conducting State Department Business on that one! 

Can you see the difference now?

Can you explain why the Clinton's paid a person in the employ of the State Department to maintain their private server and not tell the State Department?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 06, 2015, 03:16:12 PM
Well since you asked nicely - there is no goal other than to show how slimy the Clinton's can be.
I know you've said you aren't fond of her - but you keep defending her it seems.

I suppose it is part of not wanting to pay attention.  So, I will say it again.  No one should ever use anything but government servers and not delete.  I do not defend any of them, the one you have repeatedly defended,  or clinton.  I am against that it is clearly partisan hate that you are pushing.

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I did read and he did say he used two separate systems - one for personal stuff and one for  the "JOB"... 

Did you read he deleted everything... oh forget it.

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The questions and "gotcha" from your article asked him about his personal ones - and he answered it well...  he wasn't conducting State Department Business on that one! 

Can you see the difference now?

Can you explain why the Clinton's paid a person in the employ of the State Department to maintain their private server and not tell the State Department?


You win, anything I say is a lie.  Any quote from any link not Fox is lie.  I am the only nonpartisan here and you don't rant day after day about it because you are remotely not partisan.

You should have just stuck to your last one that this topic is for going after democrats only and not cry that no one wanted to feed your trolling.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
I suppose it is part of not wanting to pay attention.  So, I will say it again.  No one should ever use anything but government servers and not delete.  I do not defend any of them, the one you have repeatedly defended,  or clinton.  I am against that it is clearly partisan hate that you are pushing.

Did you read he deleted everything... oh forget it.

You win, anything I say is a lie.  Any quote from any link not Fox is lie.  I am the only nonpartisan here and you don't rant day after day about it because you are remotely not partisan.

You should have just stuck to your last one that this topic is for going after democrats only and not cry that no one wanted to feed your trolling.

You still can't separate Powell did his Secretary of State business on the Departments system... 

The idea that you need to keep personal emails only came about when people were conducting  business with them -   Ala the Rove and company ones you keep referring to and Hillary falls in that batch.

When you choose do do business on your personal email - it then becomes discoverable in many courts of law...  not sure why the feds treated it differently but they have their own FOIA that is limited.

Have you noticed you are the only poster that seems to rant and make the big fuss about partisan news and self pity party posts?

I would suggest if you feel the need to type that -fine,  but re-read before you hit post  8)
you would look a lot better if you followed that simple advice instead of your current role of the angry/fox fetish/ self pity/ jumbled thought process/ poster
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 07, 2015, 08:36:00 AM
You still can't separate Powell did his Secretary of State business on the Departments system... 

The idea that you need to keep personal emails only came about when people were conducting  business with them -   Ala the Rove and company ones you keep referring to and Hillary falls in that batch.

When you choose do do business on your personal email - it then becomes discoverable in many courts of law...  not sure why the feds treated it differently but they have their own FOIA that is limited.

Have you noticed you are the only poster that seems to rant and make the big fuss about partisan news and self pity party posts?

I would suggest if you feel the need to type that -fine,  but re-read before you hit post  8)
you would look a lot better if you followed that simple advice instead of your current role of the angry/fox fetish/ self pity/ jumbled thought process/ poster
But DS is right. You're an ignorant troll.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 09:28:09 AM
But DS is right. You're an ignorant troll.
Coming from the person that can't comprehend a sentence if a word is spelled or used wrong - that's pretty bold
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 07, 2015, 09:39:35 AM
Coming from the person that can't comprehend a sentence if a word is spelled or used wrong - that's pretty bold
Thanks for proving my assertion.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 09:46:15 AM
Thanks for proving my assertion.
Ditto
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 07, 2015, 10:56:13 AM
You still can't separate Powell did his Secretary of State business on the Departments system... 

The idea that you need to keep personal emails only came about when people were conducting  business with them -   Ala the Rove and company ones you keep referring to and Hillary falls in that batch.

When you choose do do business on your personal email - it then becomes discoverable in many courts of law...  not sure why the feds treated it differently but they have their own FOIA that is limited.

Have you noticed you are the only poster that seems to rant and make the big fuss about partisan news and self pity party posts?

I would suggest if you feel the need to type that -fine,  but re-read before you hit post  8)
you would look a lot better if you followed that simple advice instead of your current role of the angry/fox fetish/ self pity/ jumbled thought process/ poster


03/08/15

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell says he doesn’t have any emails to turn over to the State Department.
Appearing on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday, Powell responded to revelations that he used a personal email account, rather than a government one, when he was in charge of the State Department. Questions about his email use arose last week when it was disclosed that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a personal email account during her tenure.
“I don’t have any to turn over. I did not keep a cache of them. I did not print them off. I do not have thousands of pages somewhere in my personal files,” Powell said. “A lot of the emails that came out of my personal account went into the State Department system. They were addressed to State Department employees and state.gov domain, but I don’t know if the servers in the State Department captured those or not. “


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department-115870#ixzz3l41LIYwj (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department-115870#ixzz3l41LIYwj)


But, still I don’t have to show that Powell did also.  You are still defending a bucket load of republicans as well.

Big problem for you partisan jocky, is you are accusing me of lying when I was repeating what the news has said.  Your quote isn't out from what they said, and he CLEARLY DID use his private email and emailed to state, just like Clinton.

Keep trying to defend your republicans for doing what you cry over Clinton every day though.

Other than trying to call me a liar, it didn't defend him or the rest of yor republicans any.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 11:25:34 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/colin-powell-explains-how-he-handled-emails-as-secretary-of-state-520304707972 (http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/colin-powell-explains-how-he-handled-emails-as-secretary-of-state-520304707972)
the video of his explanation of how he handled the technology change/emails.

He had the system updated and organized and used personal emails for his houskeeping matters like Hillary -

That's not what she is being chastised for - she did ALL her work via the personal email system.

He was somehow able to discern what work was classified - and used that system for that work  ;D

Big difference!

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 11:29:57 AM
All this deflection on "Powell "   Doesn't answer why Two Democrats are pleading the 5th

one paid by the Clinton's who kept that from his employer the State Department...

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 07, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
We aren't saying only democrats are devious.  All or most politicians fit the category.  People working for the government must be required to use government facilities instead of their own.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: CatLady on September 07, 2015, 11:38:12 AM
People working for the government must be required to use government facilities instead of their own.

Using a non-government computer for government work was a firing offense.  At the very least, it resulted in discipline.  Using a government computer for non-government work was the same.  I know several people who were fired for using a government computer for personal business.  And if you got caught bringing in a thumb drive or disk, you were severely disciplined, if not fired.  If you are doing government work, you use a government computer.  Period.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 07, 2015, 12:20:01 PM
Mrs. Fuzz says it has been that same way for years at the DOJ.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 07, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
Using a non-government computer for government work was a firing offense.  At the very least, it resulted in discipline.  Using a government computer for non-government work was the same.  I know several people who were fired for using a government computer for personal business.  And if you got caught bringing in a thumb drive or disk, you were severely disciplined, if not fired.  If you are doing government work, you use a government computer.  Period.

But not Hillary or any high ranking official (it appears).  Only worker bees have to comply.  Thats bullshitte of the highest degree.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 07, 2015, 12:41:02 PM
But not Hillary or any high ranking official (it appears).  Only worker bees have to comply.  Thats bullshitte of the highest degree.

The rules are for everyone, unless your boss fails to do his/her job and enforce the policies of their employer.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 07, 2015, 07:07:10 PM
The rules are for everyone, unless your boss fails to do his/her job and enforce the policies of their employer.

I call BS on you for that answer Excelsior.

The rules are not the same for everyone - and never have been.

Redneck County Clerk in KY ignores a Federal Court Ruling - Contempt of Court - thrown in jail.

Obama ignores a Federal Court Ruling - NOTHING happens.  Nothing at all.  The pen and phone roll on. 

The Federal Court said they couldn't tolerate people blowing off their rulings.  I guess that is true - unless it is the administration doing it - then they tolerate all day long and nothing happens.

THAT is BS in my opinion.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 07, 2015, 07:16:04 PM
Redneck County, aka Rowand County, is home to Morehead State University and about 23,000 citizens not all of who are redneck.  Beautiful area with people of good hearts, and still heavily influenced by what was once the old Bible Belt.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 07, 2015, 07:24:05 PM
Redneck County, aka Rowand County, is home to Morehead State University and about 23,000 citizens not all of who are redneck.  Beautiful area with people of good hearts, and still heavily influenced by what was once the old Bible Belt.

I know it is a nice area, with an educated populace Fuzz.  I've spent some time in the area - more all expense paid vacations.

If, however, you look into the background of the "Martyr" County Clerk you will find several tell tale "Redneck" signs - hence I assigned the title to her - not he county, not the area - just her.

If I wanted a Martyr for a cause - this idiot would not be my choice to defend the sanctity of marriage.

In fact she is just another Christian out there that gives Christians the image of being hypocrites.

I guess she chooses which of God's Laws she finds sacred, but others don't apply to her.  That makes her an idiot.

However - the double standard set by the courts is still what I find striking.  I know as individuals we are idiot sinners.  The Courts need to do better than that.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 07, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
I don't necessarily support her views, or the folks who are backing her.......but the entire county is not redneck was all I was trying to point out.  I always referred to that area as God's Country.....whether I believe in Him or not.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 07, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
I don't necessarily support her views, or the folks who are backing her.......but the entire county is not redneck was all I was trying to point out.  I always referred to that area as God's Country.....whether I believe in Him or not.

And I was not disparaging the area for sure - just the idiot County Clerk.

I don't look at "Redneck" as a term reserved for the South - or certain geographic areas.  Redneck is a state of mind for me.  You can find them anywhere - even outside the United States.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 07, 2015, 09:32:08 PM
I call BS on you for that answer Excelsior.

The rules are not the same for everyone - and never have been.

Redneck County Clerk in KY ignores a Federal Court Ruling - Contempt of Court - thrown in jail.

Obama ignores a Federal Court Ruling - NOTHING happens.  Nothing at all.  The pen and phone roll on. 

The Federal Court said they couldn't tolerate people blowing off their rulings.  I guess that is true - unless it is the administration doing it - then they tolerate all day long and nothing happens.

THAT is BS in my opinion.

I was referring to the employer's policies, government or private, the manager of the individual is responsible to making sure that the employee is abiding by the workplace rules.   Clearly Hillary's manager did not do his job.

I will agree with you on the selective law enforcement at the Federal level, but I blame the Republicans for confirming an AG that told them that she supports the lawlessness.   They enabled our movement toward a banana republic.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 07, 2015, 09:34:14 PM
I was referring to the employer's policies, government or private, the manager of the individual is responsible to making sure that the employee is abiding by the workplace rules.   Clearly Hillary's manager did not do his job.

I will agree with you on the selective law enforcement at the Federal level, but I blame the Republicans for confirming an AG that told them that she supports the lawlessness.   They enabled our movement toward a banana republic.

Understand.

I totally agree that the Republican's are a major part of the problem.

Confirming an AG that promises not to enforce laws says that you think that is OKAY.

That is just one of the many reasons I am not a Republican, and don't particularly think they are a solution to anything.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2015, 11:20:34 PM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/kn090715dAPR20150904085113.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 08, 2015, 01:18:53 AM

It appears that Hillary's team is unable to identify "Top Secret" information as classified.

Second Review Says Classified Information Was in Hillary Clinton’s Email

WASHINGTON — A special intelligence review of two emails that Hillary Rodham Clinton received as secretary of state on her personal account — including one about North Korea’s nuclear weapons program — has endorsed a finding by the inspector general for the intelligence agencies that the emails contained highly classified information when Mrs. Clinton received them, senior intelligence officials said.

Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign and the State Department disputed the inspector general’s finding last month and questioned whether the emails had been overclassified by an arbitrary process. But the special review — by the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency — concluded that the emails were “Top Secret,” the highest classification of government intelligence, when they were sent to Mrs. Clinton in 2009 and 2011.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 08, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
The pompous *** could have salvaged some credibility had she just done this to begin with.

Go Bernie!

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-says-private-email-mistake-shes-sorry-204147054--election.html (http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-says-private-email-mistake-shes-sorry-204147054--election.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 08, 2015, 05:53:08 PM
The pompous *** could have salvaged some credibility had she just done this to begin with.

Go Bernie!

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-says-private-email-mistake-shes-sorry-204147054--election.html[/url] ([url]http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-says-private-email-mistake-shes-sorry-204147054--election.html[/url])


But of course she would tell you she broke no laws.....  ever.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 08, 2015, 06:10:41 PM
Was it law, or policy?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 08, 2015, 06:14:34 PM
Was it law, or policy?

Is there a difference anymore?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 08, 2015, 06:17:38 PM
Yes, according to the court system, yes.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 10, 2015, 06:48:03 AM
Yes, according to the court system, yes.

So is gay marriage the law of the land or the policy of the land?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 10, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So is gay marriage the law of the land or the policy of the land?

I didn't know the Supreme Court could enact laws, news to me.....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 10, 2015, 04:35:12 PM
I didn't know the Supreme Court could enact laws, news to me.....

Exactly my point Flip.

No Law was ever passed - so wouldn't that be the Policy of the land?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 10, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
So is gay marriage the law of the land or the policy of the land?

Supreme Court ruling, wasn't it?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 10, 2015, 07:25:22 PM
Supreme Court ruling, wasn't it?

A ruling don't make it a law, only a ruling (opinion).  A law has to be enacted by the legislative branch, not the Supreme Court.

I've changed my view on the KY Clerk.  A full 70% of Kentuckians voted against gay marraige.  It can be easily construed that she was acting in the interests of her constitutients when she senied the licenses.  70% is a distinct majority, I'd say.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 10, 2015, 07:27:23 PM
I'm confused, is it a law or not?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 10, 2015, 07:50:53 PM
A ruling don't make it a law, only a ruling (opinion).  A law has to be enacted by the legislative branch, not the Supreme Court.

I've changed my view on the KY Clerk.  A full 70% of Kentuckians voted against gay marraige.  It can be easily construed that she was acting in the interests of her constitutients when she senied the licenses.  70% is a distinct majority, I'd say.

This country is no longer ruled by the Majority.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on September 10, 2015, 08:01:08 PM
This country is no longer ruled by the Majority.
It was never intended to be ruled by the majority. We do not have a Democracy, although many say we do. We have a Republic, vastly different from a Democracy.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 10, 2015, 08:54:24 PM
It was never intended to be ruled by the majority. We do not have a Democracy, although many say we do. We have a Republic, vastly different from a Democracy.

Now we have a Tyranny.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 10, 2015, 09:01:51 PM
It's ruled by a bunch of goofballs because nobody has the guts to stand up to them.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 10, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
Short of a revolution, and that would be squashed inside of 2 days, the only way to bring about change from these goofballs is to stop reelecting them.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on September 10, 2015, 09:17:03 PM
Now we have a Tyranny.
Not yet, but it may be coming.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 10, 2015, 09:25:33 PM
Not yet, but it may be coming.

No - we are there.

Look around at what is going on.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 10, 2015, 09:49:58 PM
I still say Hillarys ego and goal are so big she will never fold up the tent...And the democrats will continue to support her.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 10, 2015, 10:10:34 PM
I still say Hillarys ego and goal are so big she will never fold up the tent...And the democrats will continue to support her.

Her 'tent' is getting more holes in it's roof daily...
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 10, 2015, 10:14:13 PM
Short of a revolution, and that would be squashed inside of 2 days, the only way to bring about change from these goofballs is to stop reelecting them.

I don't think a domestic revolution against a tyranical government would be squashed in 2 days actually....  if the gutless minions had the balls to stand together and shed blood over it...  I don't believe that would ever happen.  people in this country, for the most part are ballless sheeple.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 11, 2015, 06:31:50 AM
I don't think a domestic revolution against a tyranical government would be squashed in 2 days actually....  if the gutless minions had the balls to stand together and shed blood over it...  I don't believe that would ever happen.  people in this country, for the most part are ballless sheeple.

The problem is no one wants to follow the Constitution we have in place.

Both parties are more loyal to their party politics than they are the US Constitution - and both shred it on a daily basis.

Once you hit Washington DC or Lansing or Columbus or even Monroe you seem to become more beholden to special interest groups and lobbyists than you are your constituents.

I am not sure how you have a Revolution to get back to what it was we were supposed to have in the first place - but now are VERY far away from having.

People are more interested in the next "Free Stuff" offer from the pandering Politicians then they are on having a Constitutional Republic.  Don't believe me - go read the Bernie Sanders thread.

But yes - I know - I am just a Republican - and all I do is defend all things Republican - and defend them to the end - even though the Republican Leadership and what they do just turns my stomach - and I have very little hope that the guy I dislike the least will get through the Primaries - and even if he does that he would do a damn thing about anything.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 11, 2015, 07:01:17 AM
I don't think a domestic revolution against a tyranical government would be squashed in 2 days actually....  if the gutless minions had the balls to stand together and shed blood over it...  I don't believe that would ever happen.  people in this country, for the most part are ballless sheeple.

I don't think I am ready to quite say we have a government in tyranny as much as we have one that has become dysfunctional.  Could the 2 party system currently in place lead to it, yes, I believe that.

Revolution.....yea, on second thought more than 2 days.  Small pockets of resistance would go longer because of as you state that people in this country are neutered followers that elect the same leadership election after election.  What is that adage about insanity......doing the same thing over and over?  I still say there is only one way to change the political climate and cure the dysfunctional mess we have......do not vote a single incumbent in for two election cycles.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on September 11, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
We need to elect NON-politicians.

Trump.

Carson.

Yes, they are powerful names.  But that's what this country NEEDS right now.  STRENGTH.


Not this:

(http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/21516/21516808739dd646da96520abe4867cf83d8ffc6.png) (http://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=21516808&showlnk=0)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 11, 2015, 10:01:34 AM
I'm ready for that too.....my only alteration to that would be that they are not party affiliated and are elected as Independents.  My fear is that even a candidate of strength elected as one of the major parties is that they would conform to party platform stupidity.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 11, 2015, 10:21:35 AM
Quote
In June, the inspector general of the intelligence community confirmed to Congress that classified material had indeed been discovered, and that copies of said correspondence were being stored on flash drives at the office of David Kendall, Clinton's lawyer. On August 5, the State Department confirmed publicly that it had installed a safe at Kendall's office to store this flash drive brimming with American secrets. Kendall relinquished the now-radioactive drives the next day.

The circumstances surrounding the storage of classified material at Kendall's office deserve scrutiny. Had any other private lawyer — even one with a security clearance — told a federal agency he or she planned to hold on to classified records, he or she would have been referred immediately to the FBI for investigation, and had his or her clearances summarily revoked.

In 2010, this happened to Kel McClanahan, a lawyer and the executive director of National Security Counselors, a public interest law firm. During the course of his work, he inadvertently received classified information. He notified the Justice Department of this, and he was immediately referred to the FBI, who investigated him for over a year. He was threatened with search warrants if he did not voluntarily allow them to search through his records, in a kind of dragnet to see if he had any other classified information. (He did not.) Mark Zaid, another D.C.-based national security attorney, received similar treatment after being accused of possessing classified material. (The information had been given as unclassified, and then the government changed its mind.) Zaid and his colleagues were threatened with prosecution and the revocation of their security clearances. At the time, McClanahan, Zaid, and others in the national security legal community took such treatment as par for the course. It's now clear that if they had had Hillary Clinton as a client, not only would the government have left them alone, but would have sent over a maintenance crew to install safes to help store sensitive documents.

Interesting to see the special treatment given to Clinton and her associates... 

Where in the past the government took action against lawyers who had classified materials...

It was really odd reading how the State Department installed a safe for the attorney  :o
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 12, 2015, 03:25:12 PM
LOL.....I didn't read the heading close enough and thought, "Oh holybatshit, she really said that?"
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: lilly on September 12, 2015, 04:08:03 PM
This country is no longer ruled by the Majority.
It never has been, that would be a democracy. We are a republic which was created to protect the rights of the minority from the majority.

It was never intended to be ruled by the majority. We do not have a Democracy, although many say we do. We have a Republic, vastly different from a Democracy.
Exactly.


It still baffles me why people are concerned about what two consenting adults want to do and how they want to live their lives. Why do people have to butt their nose into other peoples business?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: lilly on September 12, 2015, 07:36:54 PM
I saw one crazy candidate for President talking about how many shoes and deodorants should be available for me to purchase in the United States.
If you could make a living taking things out of context, you'd be a millionaire. And even though that has been explained here before, you continue to distort the meaning behind the statement.

Once again I will post yet another link that explains the position that he is NOT advocating limiting the number of choices of either.

http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/bernie-sanders-deodorant-argument-one-most-substantive-campaign-so-far (http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/bernie-sanders-deodorant-argument-one-most-substantive-campaign-so-far)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 12, 2015, 08:26:59 PM
If you could make a living taking things out of context, you'd be a millionaire. And even though that has been explained here before, you continue to distort the meaning behind the statement.

Once again I will post yet another link that explains the position that he is NOT advocating limiting the number of choices of either.

[url]http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/bernie-sanders-deodorant-argument-one-most-substantive-campaign-so-far[/url] ([url]http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/bernie-sanders-deodorant-argument-one-most-substantive-campaign-so-far[/url])


Strange, but even your link says he is for taxing innovation/products out of existence and limiting choice as a result:

If the company that determined there was big money to be made by innovatively telling teen boys that using a certain brand of deodorant would cause attractive women to have sex with them  decided not to go through with creating Axe because taxes were too high, Bernie is saying he is OK with that. You might have less brands to choose from on the deodorant aisle, but on the plus side kids will get to eat.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 12, 2015, 08:35:22 PM
Strange, but even your link says he is for taxing innovation/products out of existence and limiting choice as a result:

If the company that determined there was big money to be made by innovatively telling teen boys that using a certain brand of deodorant would cause attractive women to have sex with them  decided not to go through with creating Axe because taxes were too high, Bernie is saying he is OK with that. You might have less brands to choose from on the deodorant aisle, but on the plus side kids will get to eat.

How will not making AXE Deodorant result in kids getting to eat?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 12, 2015, 10:26:20 PM
How will not making AXE Deodorant result in kids getting to eat?

Maybe the kiddies can eat the deodorant, huh?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 12, 2015, 10:30:39 PM
Perhaps Bernie thinks that the money spent on development and marketing AXE should instead be used to feed kids?

If that is the case - what happens to the people whose jobs depend on AXE?

Wouldn't they be SOL?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: lilly on September 12, 2015, 10:35:47 PM
In a nutshell, if removing tax incentives for corporations reduces the incentive to create a wider variety of products and the money is instead used to further increase funding for meals for underprivileged children, he'd be okay with that.
The only rich that would likely remain would be the politicians that get to decide which one of the 23 deodorant manufacturers will be the chosen one left standing.  I cannot even image the amount of money that would flow to Washington D.C. from Bernie’s proposal to have the government control the markets. 
Excelsior wants to make it sound like he's going to enforce martial law and demand that only one type of shoe and deodorant will be allowed to be made.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 12, 2015, 10:39:27 PM
Fine - lets go to a Flat Tax then.

No incentives - just a simple pay X Percent on all Profits.

No more lobbying in Washington if you did that. 

What are you going to lobby for in the tax code with a flat tax?

Wouldn't that help fix multiple issues?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: lilly on September 12, 2015, 10:54:22 PM
Fine - lets go to a Flat Tax then.

No incentives - just a simple pay X Percent on all Profits.

No more lobbying in Washington if you did that. 

What are you going to lobby for in the tax code with a flat tax?

Wouldn't that help fix multiple issues?
I like it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 12, 2015, 11:07:30 PM
Far as I'm concerned only one type/brand of anti-persperant needs to be made.  As long as it has aluminum chlorhydrate and a pleasant scent, it's good with me.

Sort of like the mouthwash scenario.  All comes from the same spout but gets labelled differently and priced differently.

Oil filters fall into that as well.  They are all basically the same (inside) with different colored cans and different prices....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: lilly on September 12, 2015, 11:19:30 PM
Far as I'm concerned only one type/brand of anti-persperant needs to be made.  As long as it has aluminum chlorhydrate and a pleasant scent, it's good with me.
Can't use the aluminum chlorohydrate myself. Shuts down my sweat glands and gives me a rash.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 13, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
Can't use the aluminum chlorohydrate myself. Shuts down my sweat glands and gives me a rash.

See - you two are just demonstrating why choice for consumers is important!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: lilly on September 13, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
See - you two are just demonstrating why choice for consumers is important!
The only one claiming it is going to be taken away is Excelsior
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 13, 2015, 10:33:48 AM
Outfit that serviced the Clintons email server saying it wasn't wiped clean by them and maybe still has emails that the Clintons thought they destroyed.  Oh well, the Justice Dept will say nobody can have access to it so it's a done deal.
Hillary as good as gold.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 13, 2015, 10:39:36 AM
Bernie Sanders' Deodorant Argument Is One of the Most Substantive of the Campaign So Far

Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said this:

If 99 percent of all the new income goes to the top 1 percent, you could triple it, it wouldn't matter much to the average middle class person. The whole size of the economy and the GDP doesn't matter if people continue to work longer hours for low wages and you have 45 million people living in poverty. You can't just continue growth for the sake of growth in a world in which we are struggling with climate change and all kinds of environmental problems. All right? You don't necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country.

Naturally, some media sorts exploded with self-satisfied criticism (I, II, III, among many others). Jim Tankersley's response at Wonkblog was typical:

The literal implication of that last sentence is that there some kind of a national trade-off between antiperspirant/Air Jordan variety and food for children. This makes sense if you believe that the government should be allocating the resources in the economy -- in this case, directing fewer of them to personal hygiene and footwear and more to child nutrition.

It makes less sense if you look at economic history.

Except of course, this is not at all what Sanders is arguing. While I don't expect the man on the street to necessarily catch Sanders' drift here, self-styled wonks should see it immediately.
 
Whenever someone argues that we should distribute the national income more evenly so as to reduce poverty and inequality (as Sanders does), the very first thing someone says in response is that doing so will reduce growth and innovation. Sanders is mocking this argument, saying he'd gladly cut poverty and inequality even if it meant a reduction in superficial product innovation.
 
If the company that determined there was big money to be made by innovatively telling teen boys that using a certain brand of deodorant would cause attractive women to have sex with them decided not to go through with creating Axe because taxes were too high, Bernie is saying he is OK with that. You might have less brands to choose from on the deodorant aisle, but on the plus side kids will get to eat.
 
Bernie is not arguing, contrary to what Tankersley suggests, that we spend too much buying deodorant. This should be pretty obvious as he didn't talk about the quantity of deodorant being consumed, but instead the dizzying (and socially useless) number of products in the deodorant category. The massive prizes our economic system pays out to someone who can capture deodorant market share with slick advertising may indeed incentivize them to innovate new branding strategies, but, Bernie amusingly asks, would cutting that incentive really be so bad?
 
This is the most substantive argument in the presidential campaign so far, and may be the most substantive argument uttered in electoral politics for a long while. Few candidates are willing to wade into the murky economic debate of equality/efficiency tradeoffs, and fewer still are willing to aggressively say that: yes, in fact, cutting poverty and inequality is worth a reduction in innovation, and oh by the way, the kinds of things we call "innovation" are often little more than new marketing gimmicks with dubious social value.
 
Although Bernie confronts the equality/efficiency debate head on in favor of equality, it's worth noting that there is scant evidence there is any necessary trade off between the two. When you look at the egalitarian social democracies of northern Europe, the countries Bernie models his policy prescriptions off of, you don't find low-growth, low-innovation backwaters.
 
Here is GDP per capita in constant dollars of the Nordics and the US:
(http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/imce/growth.png)

All five countries have similar growth, which you can see somewhat better with this graph:
(http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/imce/growthrates.png)

Some years are better than others for the respective countries, but overall growth is pretty similar.
 
It's harder to know exactly who is the "most innovative," but to the extent that people try to create such measures, these countries always do quite well. In the most recent iteration of the Global Innovation Index, Sweden (3rd) and Finland (4th) rank ahead of the US (6th) while Denmark (8th) and Norway (14th) are nearby.
 
If entrepreneurship is what gets you excited, then note that, in the years for which there is comparable data, Finland, Sweden, and Denmark have higher enterprise birth rates (percent of companies in a year that are start ups) than the US, though Norway has a lower rate.
 
So, despite a tax level double ours and very generous welfare benefits, these egalitarian countries do not suffer for growth, innovation or entrepreneurship. Although Bernie is amusingly (and reasonably) skeptical of the value of the innovation that high poverty and inequality is supposed to bring us, it's also true that you can have high levels of innovation and egalitarianism at the same time.
http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/bernie-sanders-deodorant-argument-one-most-substantive-campaign-so-far (http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/bernie-sanders-deodorant-argument-one-most-substantive-campaign-so-far)

I'll post this in the Bernie thread in case anyone wants to stay on-topic.
(But I'm sure the ignorant righties are incapable of doing so)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 13, 2015, 10:49:52 AM
Outfit that serviced the Clintons email server saying it wasn't wiped clean by them and maybe still has emails that the Clintons thought they destroyed.  Oh well, the Justice Dept will say nobody can have access to it so it's a done deal.
Hillary as good as gold.


It is likely that the government does not have a monopoly on Hillary's emails.

Hackers are claiming that Hillary's homebrew server was compromised and Wikileaks has her emails.  I think that this may get pretty interesting.

Tech company: No indication that Clinton’s e-mail server was ‘wiped’

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tech-company-no-indication-that-clintons-e-mail-server-was-wiped/2015/09/12/10c8ce52-58c6-11e5-abe9-27d53f250b11_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tech-company-no-indication-that-clintons-e-mail-server-was-wiped/2015/09/12/10c8ce52-58c6-11e5-abe9-27d53f250b11_story.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 13, 2015, 11:05:59 AM
It is likely that the government does not have a monopoly on Hillary's emails.

Hackers are claiming that Hillary's homebrew server was compromised and Wikileaks has her emails.  I think that this may get pretty interesting.

Tech company: No indication that Clinton’s e-mail server was ‘wiped’

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tech-company-no-indication-that-clintons-e-mail-server-was-wiped/2015/09/12/10c8ce52-58c6-11e5-abe9-27d53f250b11_story.html[/url] ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tech-company-no-indication-that-clintons-e-mail-server-was-wiped/2015/09/12/10c8ce52-58c6-11e5-abe9-27d53f250b11_story.html[/url])


Curious if they are waiting to see if she is nominated first?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 13, 2015, 11:21:03 AM
Curious if they are waiting to see if she is nominated first?

LOL - It might be enough to get Julian Assange out of the embassy of Ecuador in London after she is nominated.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 13, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
LOL  almost missed this with all the Bernie/Deodorant talk

(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz091015dAPR20150910024519.jpg)


I think this writer touches on all of the known key points about Hillary's homebrew server.

What a true Hillary apology would sound like

In an ABC News interview, Hillary Clinton apologized for using a private e-mail while secretary of state, a notable departure after months of not letting the slightest crack show in her steadfast public defense of her arrangement.

The interview was progress. But she has a lot to apologize for.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 13, 2015, 07:14:41 PM
Apparently the former President lost his pull at home


http://theweek.com/speedreads/576835/bill-clinton-didnt-think-hillary-clinton-should-have-apologized-private-email-server (http://theweek.com/speedreads/576835/bill-clinton-didnt-think-hillary-clinton-should-have-apologized-private-email-server)

http://www.mediaite.com/online/bill-clinton-was-reportedly-adamant-that-hillary-not-apologize-for-email/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/bill-clinton-was-reportedly-adamant-that-hillary-not-apologize-for-email/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 14, 2015, 06:31:24 PM
•   54% of voters nationally think the primary motivation of Gowdy’s investigation is politics and hurting Hillary Clinton, compared to only 40% who think it’s actually about getting to the bottom of what happened in Benghazi.
•   62% of voters think that Gowdy should release his e-mails related to the investigation, compared to just 27% who don’t think he should have to. There’s a bipartisan consensus on the need for Gowdy to release his e-mails with majorities of Democrats (70/17), Republicans (58/35), and independents (53/33) all in agreement on the matter.
•   Voters see it as a basic fairness issue- only 39% think it’s reasonable for Gowdy to demand Clinton release her e-mails while declining to release his own, compared to 56% who think he’s employing a double standard by his refusal to make his e-mails available.
•   The public’s demand for Gowdy to release his e-mails fits well into a broader finding that only 20% of voters across the country think members of Congress should be allowed to keep their work-related e-mails secret, compared to 73% who don’t think they should be allowed to do that. Republicans (80/14) are particularly adamant that members of Congress should have to release their work related e-mails, with independents (77/14) and Democrats (65/29) in broad agreement as well.
•   54% of voters believe that Jeb Bush should follow Clinton’s lead and turn over his email server from his time as Governor to Florida officials for inspection, to 40% who don’t think he should turn over his e-mails. 52% of voters think that Bush is just playing politics by hammering Clinton for e-mail practices that were similar to his own while in office, to only 42% who think he’s raising a legitimate issue.
Voters are sending a clear message: they want Republicans like Trey Gowdy and Jeb Bush to play by the same rules that those GOP leaders want Hillary Clinton to play by.
http://correctrecord.org/voters-to-gowdy-bush-release-your-emails/ (http://correctrecord.org/voters-to-gowdy-bush-release-your-emails/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 14, 2015, 06:31:48 PM
Why Is Benghazi Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy Refusing to Talk About His Private Email Address?

Amid the press furor over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton opting to use private email, and not a government email address, some are now raising important questions about if those who are investigating her – such as the chairmen of congressional committees who deal with sensitive information during the course of investigations – are themselves using private email.
Take, for example, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), who succeeded Rep .Darrell Issa (R-CA) to be head of the House's Government Oversight committee. Chaffetz's business card lists a Gmail address
But Chaffetz may not be alone in doing official business with private email. Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), who heads the House's Select Committee on Benghazi, is leading the charge in calling for investigations of Clinton's email.
Yet it's important to note that Gowdy maintains his own domain treygowdy.com.
It's true that there are legitimate issues with Clinton failing to segregate work and personal email.  But it's troubling that Members of Congress handling sensitive investigations into national security matters such as the Benghazi incident don't appear to be willing to be transparent about their own email practices.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-benghazi-committee-chairman-trey-gowdy-refusing-talk-about-his-private-email (http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-benghazi-committee-chairman-trey-gowdy-refusing-talk-about-his-private-email)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 14, 2015, 06:32:16 PM
Vox's Jonathan Allen Implicates Trey Gowdy In The NY Times Botched Clinton Emails Story

Vox's Jonathan Allen suggested that House Benghazi Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy knew about the request to the Justice Department regarding Hillary Clinton's email practices "at least a day" before The New York Times published its botched story relying on anonymous sources that "had it wrong" according to "a top-ranking editor directly involved" with the report.

The Times has since issued two corrections, acknowledging that the referral in question was not criminal and did not specifically request an investigation into Clinton herself.

The Times public editor Margaret Sullivan published a column examining the problems with the error-riddled story, and acknowledged that the paper should have a discussion not only about increasing transparency, but also about its use of anonymous sources: "In my view, that must also include the rampant use of anonymous sources, and the need to slow down and employ what might seem an excess of caution before publishing a political blockbuster based on shadowy sources." According to Sullivan, a "a top-ranking editor directly involved with the story" explained "We got it wrong because our very good sources had it wrong."

In a July 28 Vox article, Jonathan Allen reported that Gowdy was "fully aware" of the request to the Justice Department before the Times broke its story, and noted that "Gowdy's team has been accused of leaking something untrue to a reporter before":
I don't know who the Times's sources are, but I do know this: My reporting suggests that House Benghazi Committee Chair Trey Gowdy was fully aware of the request to the Justice Department at least a day before the Times broke the story. If he or his staff were sources, it should have been incumbent upon the Times to check every detail with multiple unconnected sources. Gowdy's team has been accused of leaking something untrue to a reporter befo
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/07/29/voxs-jonathan-allen-implicates-trey-gowdy-in-th/204654 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/07/29/voxs-jonathan-allen-implicates-trey-gowdy-in-th/204654)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 14, 2015, 11:52:31 PM
Good greif, that dude's hair makes Trump's hair look sane.....lol
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 15, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/14/senators-seek-pagliano-talk-about-clinton-emails/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/14/senators-seek-pagliano-talk-about-clinton-emails/)

So does he take immunity if offered...  and risk the wrath of the Clinton machine?

There's a list of those before him that have done so and not fared well   ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 15, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
If I were him, I would not venture near Fort Marcy Park.

If I were him, I would ask for protection.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 15, 2015, 01:08:04 PM
How silly.

All he has to do is declare he is a republican and they will not bother with him further.  You will be defending him, and he will get a job at Fox news for twice his normal pay.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 15, 2015, 02:34:35 PM
or.. end up on the Clinton hit list...   

Which do you think he will choose?   

He's already got a job for life at the Clinton slush fund foundation 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 15, 2015, 03:05:53 PM
or.. end up on the Clinton hit list...   

Which do you think he will choose?   

He's already got a job for life at the Clinton slush fund foundation

Dead or Job for Life?

Man - that is not so difficult a decision.....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 18, 2015, 08:03:49 PM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/bg091615dAPR20150916124526.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 18, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
([url]http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/bg091615dAPR20150916124526.jpg[/url])

You said that 88 people I the Bush white house using a private server and deleting 22 million emails was okay because Rove apologized for deleting 5 million.

Hillary apologized, so why are you still ranting it?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 18, 2015, 08:41:45 PM
I only see one person ranting and it isn't Prof.   
Quit looking in the mirror then.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 18, 2015, 10:25:07 PM
You said that 88 people I the Bush white house using a private server and deleting 22 million emails was okay because Rove apologized for deleting 5 million.

Hillary apologized, so why are you still ranting it?
So you think Rove and others were sending classified emails? 

I hadn't seen that  - where did you get it?

That's the difference. 

An apology doesn't excuse the actions if they prove to be illegal -
and others doing it in the same state department have been fired for it... 

Should they get their job back if they apologize?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 19, 2015, 10:05:14 AM
I only see one person ranting and it isn't Prof.
Yip yip yip
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on September 19, 2015, 10:23:57 AM
The truth stings at times, doesn't it?
Your interpretation is mind-boggling.

While you may think your contributions have some sort of stinging power...I consider 'em merely a valueless annoyance.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 19, 2015, 12:16:40 PM
So you think Rove and others were sending classified emails? 

Well, did I say that.  i said that when I talked about 88 people in the Bush white house using a private server in Tennessee and deleting 22 million emails, you said it was okay because Rove apologized.

That was YOUR excuse, not mine.

However, the added part you tacked on...

You have been crying a long time about this and the few that are now classified just became classified.  However, in 22 million emails I can bet with safety that a lot could be found classified now.  Then too, out of the 400 plus days deleted... complete days.. on the government servers many days were never recovered. 



Quote
I hadn't seen that  - where did you get it?

That's the difference. 

An apology doesn't excuse the actions if they prove to be illegal -
and others doing it in the same state department have been fired for it... 

Should they get their job back if they apologize?

Wow, so, not knowing at all how many were factually classified makes it okay.  See, even until 2009 after Bush was no longer there to fight the lawsuit they were ALL unknown.  Now, they are being restored and classified as needed.  You just pretend that none were anything but love notes and innocent quotes.

Again, IO am just going by your criteria.  You are the one that excused the 88 Bush people deleting 22 million emails off a private server because you say Rove apologized.

I see, so you say that Hillary using a private server, not knowing that anything was classified was illegal (when the DOJ said not so.)  But, your republicans in the white house using a private email and deleting 22 million emails was not illegal, as you said because Rove apologized.

In other words, this doesn't mean beans to you.  When your republicans did it you excused it all, now, no matter what you will cry over anything or nothing.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 22, 2015, 09:49:05 PM
Oh oh,  Bloomberg reporting FBI have recovered all of Hillary's emails from home brew server.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 22, 2015, 09:52:19 PM
Don't get excited.

There won't be anything that "sticks."
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 22, 2015, 09:57:40 PM
Yeah you're right.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on September 22, 2015, 09:59:34 PM
It makes me wonder if they found what they wanted them to find.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 22, 2015, 11:28:05 PM
I wonder if Hillary has child porn on her server?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
I talked about 88 people in the Bush white house using a private server in Tennessee and deleting 22 million emails, you said it was okay because Rove apologized.

Again, IO am just going by your criteria.  You are the one that excused the 88 Bush people deleting 22 million emails off a private server because you say Rove apologized.

But, your republicans in the white house using a private email and deleting 22 million emails was not illegal, as you said because Rove apologized.

In other words, this doesn't mean beans to you.  When your republicans did it you excused it all, now, no matter what you will cry over anything or nothing.

You keep repeating this lie...  8*

In fact 4 lies in one post might be a record :o

quick search of my posts with Rove and email gets these snippets...  to save space
You still don't get it - MT's wasn't around then...   

Was it wrong - yes
Was it Karl Rove - yes
Was he running for office - no

I have conceded that the Rove email erasures were wrong... 
but that ruins your ability to rant on that so you ignore it.
I conceded on the 07 emails that they were wrong - but that apparently isn't enough for you.   
I read about the republican emails you keep wanting to offer up as if it is okay for hillary to do the same now...   
I learned that it was Rove's doing - and even said what happened then was wrong...
I suppose we could re-create a fantasy version of MT and play the what would you have said back then game.   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on September 24, 2015, 11:24:41 AM
A comparison of three investigations.

Torture.   We found out that it was likely that our government was torturing prisoners.  An investigation was done and proved it was true.  The entire investigation was quiet.  There were no daily propaganda hits about it.  The report, in part, was released showing that Bus/Cheney did torture a great many prisoners.  It was talked about a couple days and that was it.  Sadly, still, the only thing preventing another batch of torture is this president said he won’t. 


Benghazi is not 9, or 10, or 11?  I can’t keep count.   I think the current one is 11.  ALL have come to the same exact conclusions.   Nothing new is revealed with any.  Yet, we still have the propaganda going.

Hillary Clinton email server…  Not a separate investigation at all.  It is what the newest Benghazi investigation is doing.  Frankly, it all seems like he same fishing trip the republicans did all along with Benghazi.  Find anything they can, throw it at a wall, and see what sticks. 

Again, I was dead against the Bush white house 88 using a private email server and deleting 22 million emails.  To add to that more than 400 complete days deleted from GOVERNMENT servers and many hundreds more that were clearly only partial days.  Had the republicans actually cared then there would be a law to stop it.  There was not until Obama did one AFTER Clinton left State.

It was the same with Bill Clinton.  The “whitewater” investigation started at the very beginning and cost untold millions.  Year after year of propaganda and they finally got him for getting a bj.

Decades of daily false propaganda and nothing to show for it; the track record is clear.  It is the way of life for republicans to accuse and push propaganda on fishing trips in hopes to find something… anything… that they can use after all the false propaganda.
 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on September 25, 2015, 03:56:50 PM
Dumping water over someones head might be a little different that driving nails under fingernails or wiring up to electricity.  I'd call that torture. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 25, 2015, 04:19:18 PM
I'd consider torture as being tied up in a chair with 25 hot women dancing in front of me naked.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 25, 2015, 04:27:54 PM
I'd consider torture as being tied up in a chair with 25 hot women dancing in front of me naked.
Or even worse - one - Hillary...  ;D

It will be interesting to see what she was trying to hide - eventually...
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on September 25, 2015, 05:15:19 PM
Or even worse - one - Hillary...  ;D

It will be interesting to see what she was trying to hide - eventually...

I think you have a better chance of figuring out the mystery of Stonehenge before we know all the truth behind Hillary's scam.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on September 25, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
Or even worse - one - Hillary...  ;D

It will be interesting to see what she was trying to hide - eventually...

You just HAD to ruin that for me now, didn't you!

There are a few TV shows I sometimes watch about DC politics, and CIA operatives (House of Cards on Net Flix, and Homeland on HBO) and I truly believe the interworking of government agencies are as far from forthright as can be.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 27, 2015, 11:00:51 AM
... and who's shocked even more "work related" emails are turning up...

Now Clinton is blaming it on her staff (this morning's meet the press).. as she isn't into that technical stuff  8*    -  to her  if she sent it to someone else that meant it was "captured"...  :o


What's curious as well - is why did she de-digitize the emails (only sent in hard copies) - and the government had to re-digitize them?      Delay tactic?
===================================================

Washington (CNN)An email chain between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then-commander of U.S. Central Command David Petraeus from January and February 2009 is raising questions about whether some of the emails on Clinton's private email server were mistakenly deemed personal and not included among the 55,000 pages of emails she turned over to the State Department.

Separately on Friday, a State Department official said a "small number" of Benghazi-related emails that had not been disclosed to the House committee investigating the 2012 terror attack had been discovered.

In the past few days, the State Department was contacted by the Department of Defense about the Clinton-Petraeus chain, two State Department officials said. The officials say the chain does not appear to include classified information, though an official determination has not been made. The chain included Clinton and Petraeus getting acquainted as well as some personnel matters, according to the officials.

Most of the email chain was on an old email server Clinton says she no longer has access to, but the end of the email chain contained messages on the private server she used while in office, according to another official. The chain begins on January 10, 2009 and ends on Feb. 1, 2009 and contains less than 10 emails total between Clinton and Petraeus, the official said.

State Department spokesman John Kirby said State received "several copies of one email chain between former Secretary Clinton and then Commander of U.S. Central Command David Petraeus which were not previously in the possession of the Department" from the Department of Defense and the State Inspector General. "These emails are now in our possession and will be subject to Freedom of Information Act requests. Furthermore, we asked the IG to incorporate this matter into the review Secretary Kerry requested in March. We have also informed Congress of this matter."

Also on Friday, a State Department official also told CNN that in the process of turning over Libya-related emails to the Select Committee on Benghazi, it found a "small number" of Benghazi-related emails that had not been disclosed to the committee previously. These emails are among 925 Libya-related emails being turned over Friday and were found within the emails Clinton turned over to the State Department from her private server. The official said the emails were found because they have now been digitized and are easier to search.

Clinton turned over to State her work-related emails from the server and kept emails she deemed personal. The email server has since been turned over to the FBI, where investigators have been able to recover both the personal and work-related emails. The FBI is looking into whether any classified materials were mishandled.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-david-petraeus-benghazi/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-david-petraeus-benghazi/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on September 28, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3OkSn7u-49I/VggtfxRY2VI/AAAAAAAAPUs/2nYPriA3HCc/s640/Attorney%2Bfor%2Bthe%2BWorse.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on September 28, 2015, 06:16:30 PM

It appears that a State Department provided locked safe was not secure enough to hold the TS/SCI information from Hillary's homebrew server.


US: Clinton email storage safe not secure for some messages

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department has told Senate investigators that it didn't provide Hillary Rodham Clinton's lawyer with a secure-enough method to read now-highly classified material from her homebrew email server because it didn't anticipate that the messages would be deemed so secret.

In July, State Department officials installed a safe at the office of attorney David Kendall after the government determined some of Clinton's emails may have contained classified information. But it said last week the safe wasn't suitable for so-called top secret, sensitive compartmented information, known as TS/SCI, which the government has said was found in some messages.

Assistant Secretary of State Julia Frifield wrote to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles Grassley on Sept. 22 that "while the safe was suitable for up to (top secret) information, it was not approved for TS/SCI material" because the material wasn't held in a facility set up for discussing highly secret information, known as a SCIF, or sensitive compartmented information facility.

Those questions were not an issue at the time the safe was installed because "there was no indication that the emails might contain TS or TS/SCI material," Frifield wrote in the letter obtained by The Associated Press. Kendall has a top secret security clearance.

The State Department's letter underscores how even the nation's diplomatic apparatus didn't anticipate Clinton, a Democratic presidential candidate, would have sent or received such highly sensitive information on her private email server while secretary of state. Questions about her use of such a server have at times dominated her White House run.

Kendall and a Clinton spokesman did not immediately return messages seeking comment Monday.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/05fa957001724980b195a19031c084b9/us-clinton-email-storage-safe-not-secure-some-messages (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/05fa957001724980b195a19031c084b9/us-clinton-email-storage-safe-not-secure-some-messages)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 01, 2015, 07:57:58 AM
It appears the Clinton "time to move on" strategy is not working.

Clinton’s email woes deepen as classified messages pile up

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-email-state-department-release-214246 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-email-state-department-release-214246)

The controversy over Hillary Clinton's use of personal email while she was secretary of state is showing no signs of easing, as the number of messages now deemed classified doubled with the State Department's latest release and as more details emerged about the potential vulnerability of her account.

The number of emails now considered classified total more than 400, with three of the 215 newly classified documents marked as SECRET — the middle tier of the national security classification system. While Clinton has maintained that she never received or forwarded messages that were marked classified at the time, critics have argued that the use of a private email account and server put her in a precarious position when dealing with sensitive materials.

In another blow to the Clinton campaign's "nothing to see here" narrative, the latest release shows that hackers targeted her personal email at least five times in August 2011, as part of a widespread speeding ticket hoax. It's not clear if Clinton ever clicked on what appeared to be virus-laden attachments that security experts say seem to have originated in Russia. Clinton and her surrogates have argued there is no evidence her "home brew" email system was ever compromised.

Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill maintained that stance Wednesday. “We have no evidence to suggest she replied to this email nor that she clicked on the attachment,” Merrill said. “As we have said before, there is no evidence that the system was ever breached. All these emails show is that, like millions of other Americans, she received spam."

The latest release of roughly 6,300 more pages of emails is just the latest installment of a prolonged disclosure process that has proved to be painful for Clinton's presidential campaign. The roiling controversy has opened up the Democratic front-runner to accusations that she was trying to dodge public records rules and that she put sensitive material at risk — allegations Clinton denies.

Wednesday's release marks the first time the State Department itself has deemed messages in Clinton's account to warrant protection at the SECRET level — the middle tier of the national security classification system. State earlier classified one Benghazi-related message SECRET, but did so at the request of the FBI.

Two of the just-released SECRET emails pertain to talks about the Iranian nuclear program, conducted by a group of nations referred to as the P5+1. The messages are from January 21 and 22, 2011 and were forwarded to Clinton's private account by Deputy Chief of Staff Jake Sullivan, who now serves as policy director on Clinton's presidential campaign.


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 01, 2015, 08:17:15 AM
And yet nothing will be done again because it's a Clinton...

Wednesday's release marks the first time the State Department itself has deemed messages in Clinton's account to warrant protection at the SECRET level — the middle tier of the national security classification system. State earlier classified one Benghazi-related message SECRET, but did so at the request of the FBI.

Two of the just-released SECRET emails pertain to talks about the Iranian nuclear program, conducted by a group of nations referred to as the P5+1. The messages are from January 21 and 22, 2011 and were forwarded to Clinton's private account by Deputy Chief of Staff Jake Sullivan, who now serves as policy director on Clinton's presidential campaign.



Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 01, 2015, 11:19:23 PM
And yet nothing will be done again because it's a Clinton...

I'll let you in on a secret Professor.....  She ain't gonna be the next President.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 02, 2015, 07:58:29 AM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/bg092815dAPC20150928014625.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 04, 2015, 10:35:12 AM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb_c13549820150928120100.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on October 04, 2015, 02:11:25 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 04, 2015, 02:16:47 PM
LOL   no laws were "demonstratively" violated....     

Hillary is on record with her signature telling others not to do what she was doing - yet some still defend her.

and the government is letting it slide with her staff and attorneys as well. 

Why would the state department put in a secure safe at her attorneys office if nothing was of importance on the files?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 09, 2015, 04:40:10 PM
Oh, and another help, Professor H.  Apparently some thiongs don't get pounded day after day.

"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee, [and] what are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kevin-mccarthy-hillary-clinton-benghazi_5612e53ae4b022a4ce5f1a6a (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kevin-mccarthy-hillary-clinton-benghazi_5612e53ae4b022a4ce5f1a6a)

Yeah, a lot of push back since.  But, he let the cat out of the obvious bag.

How can anyone think other wise with investigation 11 or whatever this one is.


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: old salt on October 09, 2015, 04:52:21 PM

How can anyone think other wise with investigation 11 or whatever this one is.


Have you seen and read the Trey Gowdy letter to Elijah?  What are all your left wing sites saying?

11,12,30 investigations.  Hillary should be in prison.

https://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/TG%20letter%20to%20EEC%2010.7.15.pdf
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 09, 2015, 05:20:32 PM
Hillary didn't care about the duties and responsibilities of the Sec of State position.  She was only using it as a stepping stone to the Presidency.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 09, 2015, 05:54:21 PM
Hillary didn't care about the duties and responsibilities of the Sec of State position.  She was only using it as a stepping stone to the Presidency.

(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/19a438e/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F24%2F11%2F5b9788aa4edbbf1c48b85b97a212%2Fthumb-3.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 09, 2015, 07:21:21 PM
While appearing on Fox News’s The Five, O’Reilly said, “You don’t think the Benghazi thing is political? Of course, it’s political….If you think those guys, those Republicans on that panel don’t want to bring down Hillary Clinton, you’re six years old. Of course, they do.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/09/truth-leaks-fox-news-bill-oreilly-admits-benghazi-panel-fraud.html (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/09/truth-leaks-fox-news-bill-oreilly-admits-benghazi-panel-fraud.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 09, 2015, 07:43:24 PM
If she wasn't so "secretive" setting herself up - it likely wouldn't have been... 

However as we are still learning what she didn't release - and it adds up - she's toast.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on October 09, 2015, 07:55:50 PM
If she wasn't so "secretive" setting herself up - it likely wouldn't have been... 

However as we are still learning what she didn't release - and it adds up - she's toast.


Nope.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on October 09, 2015, 08:00:29 PM
My eldest and I sometimes discuss the Clinton's and other prominent Americans supposedly active in some Illuminati group/s.  It sure seems to me both of them are Teflon Dons to some degree or the other.....and I am one to think there may be more to the Vince Foster story than was ever told.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on October 09, 2015, 08:01:43 PM
My eldest and I sometimes discuss the Clinton's and other prominent Americans supposedly active in some Illuminati group/s.  It sure seems to me both of them are Teflon Dons to some degree or the other.....and I am one to think there may be more to the Vince Foster story than was ever told.
Yep.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 09, 2015, 08:07:37 PM
Lots of speculation on the Foster - affair...  pun intended,

Seemed to me there was an understanding between the two - with all of Bills Horseplay - then all the sudden one of them ended up with a dead one. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: The Fuzz on October 09, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
I think it may have been something deeper rooted (pun intended) than rolling around the sack with her.....they were childhood friends (Bill and Vince) and later partnered up with them again back to the Whitewater days.

Hell, it may have been some sort of auto erotica deal with him, Hillary, a gun, and that park bench he was found dead on.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 09, 2015, 09:55:10 PM
I Think Bill was more known for his other childhood friend... who had more benefits  ;)

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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 12, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Ex-Staffer: Benghazi Committee Has Become A 'Partisan' Investigation

Bradley Podliska, an ex-staffer for the House Select Committee on Benghazi, said in an interview with CNN aired Sunday that he was fired, in part, for refusing pressure to focus his investigation on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
He said that the committee was conducting a "partisan investigation."
Podliska, an Air Force major, was fired in June after serving as an investigator on the committee for almost nine months, according to CNN.
Podliska said he identifies as a "conservative Republican" who will vote for the Republican nominee, not Clinton in 2016.
"I'm scared. I'm going up against powerful people in Washington," Podliska said. "I was fired for trying to conduct an objective, nonpartisan, thorough investigation."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/benghazi-committee-ex-staffer-lawsuit (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/benghazi-committee-ex-staffer-lawsuit)

To be fair, Gowdy says he was fired for being the one targeting Clinton only… LOL yeah right!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 12, 2015, 07:38:12 PM
Now she's broken ranks with her Asian Trade retreat -

Obama finally commented on her email usage...

President Obama Says Hillary Clinton 'Made a Mistake’ With Private Server
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-hillary-clinton-made-mistake-private-server/story?id=34409921 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-hillary-clinton-made-mistake-private-server/story?id=34409921)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 14, 2015, 11:38:16 PM
Oh, look professor H you missed another chance to talk about it...

Second Republican Congressman Admits Benghazi Committee Was ‘Designed To Go After’ Clinton

“Sometimes the biggest sin you can commit in D.C. is to tell the truth,” Hanna said in an interview on Keeler in the Morning, a radio show in upstate New York. The third-term congressman paused for a moment, perhaps recognizing the importance of what he was about to say, before going on to agree with McCarthy’s original statement.

“This may not be politically correct, but I think that there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, Hillary Clinton,” Hanna said.

He explained further why he believes the Benghazi Committee’s purpose has been in part to attack Clinton. “After what Kevin McCarthy said, it’s difficult to accept at least a part of it was not,” Hanna said. “I think that’s the way Washington works. But you’d like to expect more from a committee that’s spent millions of dollars and tons of time.”
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/14/3712578/richard-hanna-benghazi-clinton/ (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/14/3712578/richard-hanna-benghazi-clinton/)

Wow, now 2 congressmen and a former military investigator.  Oh, my!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on October 14, 2015, 11:40:43 PM
Oh, look professor H you missed another chance to talk about it...

Second Republican Congressman Admits Benghazi Committee Was ‘Designed To Go After’ Clinton

“Sometimes the biggest sin you can commit in D.C. is to tell the truth,” Hanna said in an interview on Keeler in the Morning, a radio show in upstate New York. The third-term congressman paused for a moment, perhaps recognizing the importance of what he was about to say, before going on to agree with McCarthy’s original statement.

“This may not be politically correct, but I think that there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, Hillary Clinton,” Hanna said.

He explained further why he believes the Benghazi Committee’s purpose has been in part to attack Clinton. “After what Kevin McCarthy said, it’s difficult to accept at least a part of it was not,” Hanna said. “I think that’s the way Washington works. But you’d like to expect more from a committee that’s spent millions of dollars and tons of time.”
[url]http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/14/3712578/richard-hanna-benghazi-clinton/[/url] ([url]http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/14/3712578/richard-hanna-benghazi-clinton/[/url])

Wow, now 2 congressmen and a former military investigator.  Oh, my!

Oh my!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 15, 2015, 12:37:45 AM
Gee I'm really shocked that politics played a part...  that's never happened in DC before  ;D

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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 15, 2015, 10:34:26 AM
Wow, now 2 congressmen and a former military investigator.  Oh, my!


3 folks that are not directly involved in the work of the Benghazi Select Committee on Benghazi believe it is biased.   

Trey Gowdy addresses the ex-staffer Bradley Podliska here:

Gowdy: Ex-Benghazi staffer's allegations 'a damn lie' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxg66GN7FgQ#)



3 folks that are actually members of Benghazi Select Committee have endorsed Hillary for President (Rep. Adam Smith, Rep. Adam Schiff and Rep. Tammy Duckworth). 

Holy partisanship - oh, my!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: T-M-T on October 15, 2015, 10:55:43 AM
Thank you, Mr. Frenchfry-of-the-Right.
 
Keep feeding us this propaganda information!

I’m sure you’ll be able to spend countless more hours getting a few hundred more anti-Hillary informative Benghazi posts in over the next year.  I’m sure between you and Prof H, you can get in at least a thousand more before the election.

I’ll be interested to see how this time investment works out for you.  Keep digging!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 15, 2015, 11:06:10 AM
Nobody on the left seems to care some of our remarkable citizens were ambushed and killed in Libya on Hillary's watch because she was to busy raising funds for the Clinton foundation.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 15, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Nobody on the left seems to care some of our remarkable citizens were ambushed and killed in Libya on Hillary's watch because she was to busy raising funds for the Clinton foundation.

Nope.

It's all just about going after Hillary.

Who just happened to be in charge.....

But I guess the buck doesn't stop with her....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 15, 2015, 01:36:05 PM
Nope.

It's all just about going after Hillary.

Who just happened to be in charge.....

But I guess the buck doesn't stop with her....

Wow, you didn't read the first of the 14 other investigations...

Sad you care about being a partisan and not reality.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 15, 2015, 01:46:12 PM
Nobody on the left seems to care some of our remarkable citizens were ambushed and killed in Libya on Hillary's watch because she was to busy raising funds for the Clinton foundation.

Nobody cares?  Really?  wow, you are mired in stupid.

Perhaps people got their answer with the first investigation, or the second, or third?

It is amazing that all the reports agreed that a big part was that republicans cut funding for security that gave them less defense?  So, why didn't we spend countless millions investigating why republicans reduced their security funding giving them few people to defend it?

You have carried this partisan witch hunt for many years, it was over many years ago but it is a see through now. 

If any of it remotely really mattered to republicans, they could fix what they are to blame for too?  But, nope.

We found out that Bush and Cheney, not the administration they, authorized the torture of prisoners.  How many investigations and millions of dollars and countless years did republicans spend working to ensure it never happens again.  None is the answer.

How many decades did republicans have dozens of investigations and spend many millions of taxpayer dollars investigating the Bush white house use by 88 people a server in Tennessee owned by the republican party instead of secure government servers?  I believe i read it was in the news 2 weeks.  Republican investigations zero.

As professor H readily admits, it is all just partisan politics and not real.


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 15, 2015, 07:25:34 PM
Nobody cares?  Really?  wow, you are mired in stupid.

Perhaps people got their answer with the first investigation, or the second, or third?

It is amazing that all the reports agreed that a big part was that republicans cut funding for security that gave them less defense? So, why didn't we spend countless millions investigating why republicans reduced their security funding giving them few people to defend it?



Congratulations!   You earned the top award for your spinning the yarn on this one.

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In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats.

That would seem to be the end of the story.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on October 15, 2015, 07:38:23 PM
Congratulations!   You earned the top award for your spinning the yarn on this one.

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In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats.

That would seem to be the end of the story.

[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html[/url] ([url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html[/url])
But, but, that can't be true. It doesn't fit the narrative.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: John Kopke on October 15, 2015, 09:01:08 PM
Duck says partisan politics. Ok. Yet right after the attack, that killed the ambassador and the three others, Hillary and Obama came out with the video nonsense excuse. Everyone in the know knew it was nonsense
at the time, but the election was coming up in a couple months, and if the truth were known, Obama loses the election, and Hillary is exposed as a incompetent she is. So the gambit was to obfuscate the truth and count
on their low information voter base not to pick up on the deception. It worked. So now the Dem deal it is the Republicans that are playing politics. Priceless.
 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on October 15, 2015, 09:06:36 PM
Duck says partisan politics. Ok. Yet right after the attack, that killed the ambassador and the three others, Hillary and Obama came out with the video nonsense excuse. Everyone in the know knew it was nonsense
at the time, but the election was coming up in a couple months, and if the truth were known, Obama loses the election, and Hillary is exposed as a incompetent she is. So the gambit was to obfuscate the truth and count
on their low information voter base not to pick up on the deception. It worked. So now the Dem deal it is the Republicans that are playing politics. Priceless.
 
Now, John, keep calm and let Hillary take over. All is well, all is well.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 15, 2015, 09:07:38 PM
Duck says partisan politics. Ok. Yet right after the attack, that killed the ambassador and the three others, Hillary and Obama came out with the video nonsense excuse. Everyone in the know knew it was nonsense
at the time, but the election was coming up in a couple months, and if the truth were known, Obama loses the election, and Hillary is exposed as a incompetent she is. So the gambit was to obfuscate the truth and count
on their low information voter base not to pick up on the deception. It worked. So now the Dem deal it is the Republicans that are playing politics. Priceless.
 


That's exactly how I see it, John.

Anyone with half a brain can see it.

I guess Democrats are required to have half their brain removed, then.  8*
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: John Kopke on October 15, 2015, 10:48:00 PM
Live,

This really angers me. These vermin (that would be Hillary and Obama) appear to have spent more time during the ongoing attack figuring out how they were going to cover their political butts than they did seeking a possible rescue. And even a week or so later, when the coffins arrived home, they were still sticking to their fiction. And there was absolutely no question they knew better at the time.  And yet now they want to demonize the Republicans as being partisan for wanting to expose the truth which would demonstrate what pieces of garbage they truly are! If there is a God in heaven these two need to be branded for the pieces of political filth they truly are.   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 15, 2015, 11:07:59 PM
wow, the peanut gallery knew it all in the first minute.  Yet, we had to have 14 investigations and one still going all these years later.  For what you supposedly knew in the first minute.

This is completely partisan political witch hunt and even your own republicans are having to admit it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 16, 2015, 07:55:45 AM
wow, the peanut gallery knew it all in the first minute.  Yet, we had to have 14 investigations and one still going all these years later.  For what you supposedly knew in the first minute.

This is completely partisan political witch hunt and even your own republicans are having to admit it.

Wow,  15 investigations you say.  Could you cite these 15 investigations?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 16, 2015, 11:14:29 AM
so i guess you're okay with obama and hillary not be held accountable for the deaths that may have been prevented had they done something.  other than lie about it
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 16, 2015, 11:30:39 AM
It nice to see that the President is above being partisan or political.

Obama’s Comments on Clinton Emails Collide With F.B.I. Inquiry

WASHINGTON — Federal agents were still cataloging the classified information from Hillary Rodham Clinton’s personal email server last week when President Obama went on television and played down the matter.

“I don’t think it posed a national security problem,” Mr. Obama said Sunday on CBS’s “60 Minutes.” He said it was a mistake for Mrs. Clinton to use a private email account when she was secretary of state, but his conclusion was unmistakable: “This is not a situation in which America’s national security was endangered.”

Those statements angered F.B.I. agents who have been working for months to determine whether Ms. Clinton’s email setup had in fact put any of the nation’s secrets at risk, according to current and former law enforcement officials.

Investigators have not reached any conclusions about whether the information on the server had been compromised or whether to recommend charges, according to the law enforcement officials. But to investigators, it sounded as if Mr. Obama had already decided the answers to their questions and cleared anyone involved of wrongdoing.

The White House quickly backed off the president’s remarks and said Mr. Obama was not trying to influence the investigation. But his comments spread quickly, raising the ire of officials who saw an instance of the president trying to influence the outcome of a continuing investigation — and not for the first time.

A spokesman for the F.B.I. declined to comment. But Ron Hosko, a former senior F.B.I. official who retired in 2014 and is now the president of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, said it was inappropriate for the president to “suggest what side of the investigation he is on” when the F.B.I. is still investigating.

“Injecting politics into what is supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry leaves a foul taste in the F.B.I.’s mouth and makes them fear that no matter what they find, the Justice Department will take the president’s signal and not bring a case,” said Mr. Hosko, who maintains close contact with current agents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/us/politics/obamas-comments-on-clinton-emails-collide-with-fbi-inquiry.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/us/politics/obamas-comments-on-clinton-emails-collide-with-fbi-inquiry.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 11:38:13 AM
so i guess you're okay with obama and hillary not be held accountable for the deaths that may have been prevented had they done something.  other than lie about it
So,I guess you are okay with Bush torturing prisoners...
So, I guess you are okay with Bush making up lies to start a war in Iraq.

Those... Those are problems that need to be prevented from happening again.

Was it sad an ambassador and others died? Yes.

Other than congress increasing funding for security, which they have not, there isn't much.

There was nothing to do.  Making up that anything would change by it being one reason or other is ridiculous.

Last.  You specifically, and republicans, play the game that it is not the gun that kills.  The killer in Benghzi was not Clinton, or Obama.  It was some guy I think they caught.

Crying over and over every day with no constructive reason is sad for you.  What change do you want made to prevent a future Benghazi?  That is the give away.  There is no goal other than you hate Obama and clinton and want a way to show your hate. 

So, why did your republicans fight any increase funding for embassy security?  Maybe I missed that they might have? 

Even your leaders are admitting they are only on a partisan witch hunt.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 11:41:51 AM
It nice to see that the President is above being partisan or political.

Obama’s Comments on Clinton Emails Collide With F.B.I. Inquiry

WASHINGTON — Federal agents were still cataloging the classified information from Hillary Rodham Clinton’s personal email server last week when President Obama went on television and played down the matter.

“I don’t think it posed a national security problem,” Mr. Obama said Sunday on CBS’s “60 Minutes.” He said it was a mistake for Mrs. Clinton to use a private email account when she was secretary of state, but his conclusion was unmistakable: “This is not a situation in which America’s national security was endangered.”

Those statements angered F.B.I. agents who have been working for months to determine whether Ms. Clinton’s email setup had in fact put any of the nation’s secrets at risk, according to current and former law enforcement officials.

Investigators have not reached any conclusions about whether the information on the server had been compromised or whether to recommend charges, according to the law enforcement officials. But to investigators, it sounded as if Mr. Obama had already decided the answers to their questions and cleared anyone involved of wrongdoing.

The White House quickly backed off the president’s remarks and said Mr. Obama was not trying to influence the investigation. But his comments spread quickly, raising the ire of officials who saw an instance of the president trying to influence the outcome of a continuing investigation — and not for the first time.

A spokesman for the F.B.I. declined to comment. But Ron Hosko, a former senior F.B.I. official who retired in 2014 and is now the president of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, said it was inappropriate for the president to “suggest what side of the investigation he is on” when the F.B.I. is still investigating.

“Injecting politics into what is supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry leaves a foul taste in the F.B.I.’s mouth and makes them fear that no matter what they find, the Justice Department will take the president’s signal and not bring a case,” said Mr. Hosko, who maintains close contact with current agents.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/us/politics/obamas-comments-on-clinton-emails-collide-with-fbi-inquiry.html[/url] ([url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/us/politics/obamas-comments-on-clinton-emails-collide-with-fbi-inquiry.html[/url])


Yeah, because it is fine for you and republicans to make up lies to continue a partisan witch hunt for many years.  But, heaven forbid if the president should comment on it.

Wow, for a self proclaimed libertarian, you sure defend republicans and attack democrats like a republican.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 16, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
You better crawl back in your hole ducky.  you don't even make sense with your comparisons.
Obama and hillary were directly responsible for doing nothing in Libya because they didn't want to make obamas fellow muslims mad at him.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 12:50:16 PM
You better crawl back in your hole ducky.  you don't even make sense with your comparisons.
Obama and hillary were directly responsible for doing nothing in Libya because they didn't want to make obamas fellow muslims mad at him.

Try reading one of the far too many reports.

There was nothing to do.

It is myth made by republicans that there could have been a maybe we could do... 

No one was near enough.

But, thanks for the insults showing you know you have no actual argument left.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 16, 2015, 12:52:37 PM
Yeah, because it is fine for you and republicans to make up lies to continue a partisan witch hunt for many years.  But, heaven forbid if the president should comment on it.

Wow, for a self proclaimed libertarian, you sure defend republicans and attack democrats like a republican.

When have I defended a republican?

It is funny that a partisan pseudologist such as yourself cannot see that even Obama's FBI thinks Obama crossed the line with his comments on an open investigation.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
When have I defended a republican?

It is funny that a partisan pseudologist such as yourself cannot see that even Obama's FBI thinks Obama crossed the line with his comments on an open investigation.

LOl okay you pretend there little republican.

Show the lie, republican!

I didn't read the article, nor do i care.  It is just a part of YOUR REPUBLICAN witch hunt.

Is it possible she had something classified in her email... I don't care!  I can bet it is just as possible and likely that anyone else has the exact same chance of it.

You ad your republicans are too terrified of Clinton and have to witch hunt any excuse to find something/anything.  Just like with Bill.  The witch hunt Whitewater that you republicans investigated anything and everything trying to find something/anything to get him with.  You finally found a bj after how many tens of millions spent for partisan use?

Yeah, i get it.  You think Obama should not be allowed to comment and leave just your republican lies.  Whatever republican.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 01:53:09 PM
Walker Used Personal Email To Conduct State Business

During his very short-lived presidential campaign, Scott Walker repeatedly attacked Hillary Clinton for conducting government business through her personal email address. Given that there were tens of thousands of pages of emails showing that Walker did the same thing as Milwaukee County Executive, the hypocrisy was enough to make one's hair hurt.
It turns out that even though Walker and his staff were under a criminal investigation for this, Walker continued to do it as governor.
In a rare moment of flagrant journalism, WKOW News did an open records request regarding the use of private emails to conduct state business. The records showed hundreds of personal emails were used. Their investigation also raised questions about how those emails were being handled:

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/walker-used-personal-email-conduct-state (http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/walker-used-personal-email-conduct-state)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 16, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
That's sad ducky that you want to absolve Hillary and Obama from any wrong doing in the Libya fiasco.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 03:10:56 PM
That's sad ducky that you want to absolve Hillary and Obama from any wrong doing in the Libya fiasco.

You are wrong, but you are republican.  It is your nature to lie what I think.

Did you read the first report?

No, how about the second?

No, the third?

No...... the tenth?

And still trying to find something you can make political hay with.

You just don't get it.  No matter what I say you lie what I think.

I am sick of you republicans crying day after day after day trying to convince people of your newest lies.

I don't care is for you and your republican witch hunt.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 16, 2015, 03:38:40 PM
Hopeless
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 04:23:28 PM
Hopeless

Don't feel helpless and alone.  Look to the positive.  You can gain hope.  Insulting yourself saying you are hopeless is not a constructive way to advance your intellect and emotional standing.

Perhaps you should refrain from all the hate and it may lessen the feelings of helplessness?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 16, 2015, 04:28:28 PM
LOl okay you pretend there little republican.

Show the lie, republican!





We can start with "all the reports agreed that a big part was that republicans cut funding for security that gave them less defense."

"All reports" appears to be 14 by your count.   

Post away...


It is amazing that all the reports agreed that a big part was that republicans cut funding for security that gave them less defense? 


  Yet, we had to have 14 investigations and one still going all these years later. 



In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats.

That would seem to be the end of the story.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 04:55:38 PM


We can start with "all the reports agreed that a big part was that republicans cut funding for security that gave them less defense."

"All reports" appears to be 14 by your count.   

Post away...



In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats.

That would seem to be the end of the story.

[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html[/url] ([url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/12/are-budget-cuts-to-blame-for-benghazi-attack-as-biden-suggested.html[/url])


Isn't it truly amazing how you read that part yet the other parts you ignore to continue the partisan witch hunt.

But, that is what republicans like you do.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 16, 2015, 05:24:54 PM
Isn't it truly amazing how you read that part yet the other parts you ignore to continue the partisan witch hunt.

But, that is what republicans like you do.

Focus Duck, you can do this.

I know that 14 reports may a bit much for you to post at once so just pick a couple of your favorites and post those links.  



Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 16, 2015, 05:55:17 PM
Interesting read on how the intel community drops a bombshell on Hillary's homebrew server whenever Hillary or the Administration attempts to dismiss the email story.

Clinton Intimidation Falling Flat

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-obama-intimidation/ (https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-obama-intimidation/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 16, 2015, 07:27:57 PM
Hillary will never break or admit anything because she knows all the democrats, unions, entitled and non-Caucasian won't believe any of the findings.  They will vote for her even though she is one despicable human being.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
Focus Duck, you can do this.

I know that 14 reports may a bit much for you to post at once so just pick a couple of your favorites and post those links.  




Yeah I get it.  You don't though.  I picked a number and yeah it is 11 or12 or whatever that don't matter because you and your republicans don't like the last so start the next partisan witch hunt.

You cry that I got a number wrong when you ignore those investigations to be a partisan republican.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 07:41:29 PM
Hillary will never break or admit anything because she knows all the democrats, unions, entitled and non-Caucasian won't believe any of the findings.  They will vote for her even though she is one despicable human being.
Republicans are the little boy that cried wolf, and cried wolf, and cried. Wolf.. rinse and repeat.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 16, 2015, 08:02:22 PM
Hillary shouldn't be running for President.

She should be in Federal prison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Three months after Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email address and server while secretary of state was referred to the FBI, an intelligence source familiar with the investigation tells Fox News that the team is now focused on whether there were violations of an Espionage Act subsection pertaining to “gross negligence” in the safekeeping of national defense information.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/425683/fbi-looking-gross-negligence-laws-hillary-server-investigation-jim-geraghty (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/425683/fbi-looking-gross-negligence-laws-hillary-server-investigation-jim-geraghty)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 16, 2015, 08:02:43 PM
Yeah I get it.  You don't though.  I picked a number and yeah it is 11 or12 or whatever that don't matter because you and your republicans don't like the last so start the next partisan witch hunt.

You cry that I got a number wrong when you ignore those investigations to be a partisan republican.

Gosh,  your claim of 14 investigations was just your little fabrication.   

I tried numerous times to get you support your large fable that "all the reports agreed that a big part was that republicans cut funding for security that gave them less defense.'

We can put these trickerations in your partisan pseudologist bin and move on.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 16, 2015, 08:08:46 PM

She should be in Federal prison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here's Hillary on CNN today.  I think she is foolish to keep poking the FBI/intel folks.

Hillary Laughs at Mention of FBI Investigation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekGO3JvhE6Q#)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on October 16, 2015, 08:14:08 PM

So,I guess you are okay with Bush torturing prisoners...

I'll go on record saying...

YES . . .  it is OK to torture prisoners from groups that blow up buildings and behead their prisoners, and burn their prisoners alive. With those types of animals, I can condone just about anything to get information from them.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 08:19:46 PM
Gosh,  your claim of 14 investigations was just your little fabrication.   

I tried numerous times to get you support your large fable that "all the reports agreed that a big part was that republicans cut funding for security that gave them less defense.'

We can put these trickerations in your partisan pseudologist bin and move on.



You still don't get it do you. I made up a number

I in this case I didn't really have to say more than the  11 or 12 or whatever number.  You care because you want to be a partisan republican accusing me of lies. 


Why don't you read one of those reports and stop the partisan witch hunt?  Nah, you need to show your partisan hate.

One, just one report.  They all pretty much read the same clearly showering there is no need for two, then three lather, rinse, repeat.

I am looking forward to you showing you are not really a partisan republican by doing fair time.  So far you have never played your games against a republican.  Why not, there is no shortage of logical fallacies and lies. 

Oh, and why is it you claim no one said that security funding reduced contributed? You very clearly only get the extremist republican spin and don't read the report, or the next, or the next ten.  Always hoping the next will find some dirt that sticks.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 08:23:27 PM
I'll go on record saying...

YES . . .  it is OK to torture prisoners from groups that blow up buildings and behead their prisoners, and burn their prisoners alive. With those types of animals, I can condone just about anything to get information from them.


It is against the law even for presidents.  It is against international treaties. 

But that does answer why the very real crime of torture was not bothered with by republicans.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on October 16, 2015, 08:26:19 PM

It's also against the law to behead people, burn them alive, and blow up buildings.

In war, "nice guys finish last".

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
It's also against the law to behead people, burn them alive, and blow up buildings.

In war, "nice guys finish last".
and if they did it in this country they would be arrested for the crime.

You let your leader commit serious crimes and don't care.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 16, 2015, 08:51:12 PM
Yeah,,lots of Muslims died from being water boarded.  I missed the number
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 16, 2015, 08:57:21 PM
Yeah,,lots of Muslims died from being water boarded.  I missed the number

That number would be ZERO.

I have no problem torturing prisoners to get information that would save American lives.

We are at war.  Anyone that doesn't understand this is ignorant to the facts.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 09:11:30 PM
That number would be ZERO.

I have no problem torturing prisoners to get information that would save American lives.

We are at war.  Anyone that doesn't understand this is ignorant to the facts.


LIAR

as usual...


We should never, as a policy, maltreat people under our control, detainees. We tortured people unmercifully. We probably murdered dozens of them during the course of that, both the armed forces and the C.I.A.
Journalist and Human Rights Watch researcher John Sifton similarly documented that “approximately 100 detainees, including CIA-held detainees, have died during U.S. interrogations, and some are known to have been tortured to death.”
http://www.salon.com/2009/06/30/accountability_7/ (http://www.salon.com/2009/06/30/accountability_7/)

Dilawar (born c. 1979 – December 10, 2002), also known as Dilawar of Yakubi, was an Afghan taxi driver who was tortured to death by US army soldiers at the Bagram Collection Point, a US military detention center in Afghanistan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilawar_(torture_victim) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilawar_(torture_victim))

During the war in Iraq that began in March 2003, personnel of the United States Army and the Central Intelligence Agency committed a series of human rights violations against detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.[1] These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse)

Under U.S. Law Torture is Always Illegal


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/pdf/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap113C.pdf (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/pdf/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap113C.pdf)

It is a war crime in the Geneva conventions we signed.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 16, 2015, 11:28:57 PM
Gosh,  your claim of 14 investigations was just your little fabrication.   

I tried numerous times to get you support your large fable that "all the reports agreed that a big part was that republicans cut funding for security that gave them less defense.'

We can put these trickerations in your partisan pseudologist bin and move on.


Just thought I would point out that, as a self proclaimed libertarian, you failed to comment on your republican that used private email for government business.

Walker Used Personal Email To Conduct State Business

During his very short-lived presidential campaign, Scott Walker repeatedly attacked Hillary Clinton for conducting government business through her personal email address. Given that there were tens of thousands of pages of emails showing that Walker did the same thing as Milwaukee County Executive, the hypocrisy was enough to make one's hair hurt.
It turns out that even though Walker and his staff were under a criminal investigation for this, Walker continued to do it as governor.
In a rare moment of flagrant journalism, WKOW News did an open records request regarding the use of private emails to conduct state business. The records showed hundreds of personal emails were used. Their investigation also raised questions about how those emails were being handled:

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/walker-used-personal-email-conduct-state (http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/walker-used-personal-email-conduct-state)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 17, 2015, 10:08:29 AM
Just thought I would point out that, as a self proclaimed libertarian, you failed to comment on your republican that used private email for government business.

Why do you have expectations of a libertarian to comment on a republican?

Here's a few generic statements for you:

If any government employee violates workplace policies, then discipline and/or fire them.   

If government employee breaks the law, then prosecute them.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 17, 2015, 11:09:14 AM
LIAR

as usual...


We should never, as a policy, maltreat people under our control, detainees. We tortured people unmercifully. We probably murdered dozens of them during the course of that, both the armed forces and the C.I.A.
Journalist and Human Rights Watch researcher John Sifton similarly documented that “approximately 100 detainees, including CIA-held detainees, have died during U.S. interrogations, and some are known to have been tortured to death.”
[url]http://www.salon.com/2009/06/30/accountability_7/[/url] ([url]http://www.salon.com/2009/06/30/accountability_7/[/url])

Dilawar (born c. 1979 – December 10, 2002), also known as Dilawar of Yakubi, was an Afghan taxi driver who was tortured to death by US army soldiers at the Bagram Collection Point, a US military detention center in Afghanistan.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilawar_(torture_victim)[/url] ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilawar_(torture_victim))[/url]

During the war in Iraq that began in March 2003, personnel of the United States Army and the Central Intelligence Agency committed a series of human rights violations against detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.[1] These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder.[
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse[/url] ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse[/url])

Under U.S. Law Torture is Always Illegal


[url]http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/pdf/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap113C.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/pdf/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap113C.pdf[/url])

It is a war crime in the Geneva conventions we signed.


I really don't give a flying fvck what you think.

If we torture prisoners to get information that saves countless American lives in this war on terror, we should do it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 17, 2015, 12:14:42 PM
I really don't give a flying fvck what you think.

If we torture prisoners to get information that saves countless American lives in this war on terror, we should do it.
That's what makes you liveLIAR...  not once... never ever... have you manned up to one of your far to common lies.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 17, 2015, 12:18:52 PM
Why do you have expectations of a libertarian to comment on a republican?

Here's a few generic statements for you:

If any government employee violates workplace policies, then discipline and/or fire them.   

If government employee breaks the law, then prosecute them.

Because it is current news.  Because you join the daily partisan witch hunt claiming it is something other than a partisan witch hunt.  Because this gives you a chance to show it is all of them and cry about your republicandaily too...

In short, to show you are really just doing a partisan witch hunt because you are a republican.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 17, 2015, 01:31:59 PM
Because it is current news.  Because you join the daily partisan witch hunt claiming it is something other than a partisan witch hunt.  Because this gives you a chance to show it is all of them and cry about your republicandaily too...

In short, to show you are really just doing a partisan witch hunt because you are a republican.

Cool.

Speaking of current news.    What is your theory of why Obama's FBI is conducting a partisan witch hunt on Hillary's homebrew server that illegally contained top secret data?

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 17, 2015, 01:42:21 PM
Cool.

Speaking of current news.    What is your theory of why Obama's FBI is conducting a partisan witch hunt on Hillary's homebrew server that illegally contained top secret data?



Well, if nothing else you proved your own lie quite well.

Partisan republican witch hunt
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 17, 2015, 02:54:56 PM
That's what makes you liveLIAR...  not once... never ever... have you manned up to one of your far to common lies.

Nice try.

Show me where I lied, jackass.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 17, 2015, 03:02:52 PM
Nice try.

Show me where I lied, jackass.

That number would be ZERO.

I have no problem torturing prisoners to get information that would save American lives.

We are at war.  Anyone that doesn't understand this is ignorant to the facts.

You lied and should know you lied if you love torture so much. 

Or am I supposed to quote the thousands of others wasting my time that you refused to man up to your lies for the first time?

Like I said, you can't man up you lied... ever.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 17, 2015, 03:27:10 PM
You lied and should know you lied if you love torture so much. 

Or am I supposed to quote the thousands of others wasting my time that you refused to man up to your lies for the first time?

Like I said, you can't man up you lied... ever.


What the hell are you talking about, asswipe? ? ? ? ?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 17, 2015, 05:45:17 PM

What the hell are you talking about, asswipe? ? ? ? ?

He doesn't even know what he is talking about.

No one knows what he is talking about.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 17, 2015, 06:05:11 PM
Partisan republican witch hunt



I wish I had a cracker for you.  I guess I owe you one.

Polly want a cracker? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP6ccHmiZjI#)

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 17, 2015, 06:11:55 PM

I wish I had a cracker for you.  I guess I owe you one.

Polly want a cracker? ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP6ccHmiZjI#[/url])



Typical partisan republican. 

I take it by the insult you don't like that I showed you are a partisan republican.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 17, 2015, 10:20:48 PM
Typical partisan republican. 

I take it by the insult you don't like that I showed you are a partisan republican.
Don't let a good rant get in the way of facts ... 

When did the FBI start showing republican partisanship?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 17, 2015, 10:23:48 PM
Don't let a good rant get in the way of facts ... 

When did the FBI start showing republican partisanship?

Probably that stemmed from that Republican AG.....

What was his name?

Eric Holder?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 06:54:52 PM
Trey Gowdy, the chair of the Select Committee on Benghazi, leveled a very serious charge against Hillary Clinton in an October 7 letter. Gowdy asserted that Hillary Clinton disclosed the name of CIA source in an email sent from her private server. Gowdy wrote that the information was “some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.”

A letter from Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the committee, reveals that the CIA reviewed the email in question and found that the information in question was not classified.

Cummings said that Gowdy’s accusation was “irresponsible” and suggested he owes “an immediate apology” to Hillary Clinton.
In response, Gowdy acknowledged the CIA’s view but said that “the name of the alleged source was redacted from the material cleared for public release by someone in the Executive Branch.” Cummings explained that the name was redacted “not for classification reasons, but to protect the individual’s privacy and avoid bringing additional undue attention to this person.”
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/18/3713593/benghazi-committee-accusation/ (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/18/3713593/benghazi-committee-accusation/)

Well, gosh, no problem.  Just a little lie to feed the gullible republicans something to dittohead.

What does it matter if it was fabricated?  But, that’s okay with republicans, because fox didn’t tell them they were fed lies.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 06:57:15 PM
Don't let a good rant get in the way of facts ... 

When did the FBI start showing republican partisanship?

Try to be with the topic.  Bringing up something else claiming i said it is just a lie. I am guessing you been getting lessons at the University of china Buffet by professor 24/7 on "how to make up what other people say instead of talk."  Probably a 201 class.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 07:02:09 PM
this belongs here too, to show the two faced republican spin.

CNN host destroys Jeb Bush: You blame Hillary for Benghazi but insist brother blameless for 9/11
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/cnn-host-destroys-jeb-bush-you-blame-hillary-for-benghazi-but-insist-brother-blameless-for-911/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/cnn-host-destroys-jeb-bush-you-blame-hillary-for-benghazi-but-insist-brother-blameless-for-911/)

To be short... blame those at the top, Hillary for Benghazi, while excusing the republican at the top for 9/11, Bush. 

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 08:24:13 PM
this belongs here too, to show the two faced republican spin.

CNN host destroys Jeb Bush: You blame Hillary for Benghazi but insist brother blameless for 9/11
[url]http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/cnn-host-destroys-jeb-bush-you-blame-hillary-for-benghazi-but-insist-brother-blameless-for-911/[/url] ([url]http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/cnn-host-destroys-jeb-bush-you-blame-hillary-for-benghazi-but-insist-brother-blameless-for-911/[/url])

To be short... blame those at the top, Hillary for Benghazi, while excusing the republican at the top for 9/11, Bush. 



Well you must really love Trump then... he called out Jeb on that very point.

no soft ball lobs like the D's are doing...
 ;D  heck Bernie may be the new VP for Hillary pardoning her like he did.
(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/90783e8/2147483647/resize/534x/format/png/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fac%2Ffa%2F31a693474439bca6d602897b8fb8%2F20151015edhoc-a.tif)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 08:28:37 PM
Benghazi Committee Chairman To GOPers: 'Shut Up'
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trey-gowdy-shut-up (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trey-gowdy-shut-up)

can't handle them letting the truth out.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 18, 2015, 08:29:44 PM
Try to be with the topic. Bringing up something else claiming i said it is just a lie. I am guessing you been getting lessons at the University of china Buffet by professor 24/7 on "how to make up what other people say instead of talk."  Probably a 201 class.

I'm staying out of this one but...........I got a hell of a chuckle out of the above....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 08:31:57 PM
Well you must really love Trump then... he called out Jeb on that very point.

no soft ball lobs like the D's are doing...
 ;D  heck Bernie may be the new VP for Hillary pardoning her like he did.
([url]http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/90783e8/2147483647/resize/534x/format/png/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fac%2Ffa%2F31a693474439bca6d602897b8fb8%2F20151015edhoc-a.tif[/url])


Oh, so you like when your republican trump insults with it, but when democrats say it politely you ignore it to continue your partisan rants anyway.

Nice!

Jake Trapper said it, not trump.

So, can I follow you after any democrat quote and say that you love them because you said something about them?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 08:32:43 PM
I'm staying out of this one but...........I got a hell of a chuckle out of the above....
but you stuck your nose in anyway... hmmmmmm.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 08:36:59 PM
I'm staying out of this one but...........I got a hell of a chuckle out of the above....

BTW.  Did you read how, when they said i didn't get it I repeatedly asked them to make it clear.  I got double down insults instead.

no one is going to read everything here and get it perfect what they meant.  However, your republican buddy 24/7 doesn't even pretend to miss what was said, he lies and makes it up.

Why don't you comment him, or the lies of your other republican buddy?

Is he that way in life too?  Can't man up and admit he was caught in a lie?  Or does he just get too violent that you don't dare say it to him?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 18, 2015, 08:42:59 PM
He's an acquaintance, nothing more and don't drag me into this, I prefer copying the mail and getting an ocassional laugh.

I have not made one negative comment in a long time (other than I commented that you were getting tedious on the gun thread...and you were btw) and I'm gonna keep up that tack.

You guys provide great entertainment on a Sunday evening....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 18, 2015, 09:15:30 PM
I have not made one negative comment in a long time (other than I commented that you were getting tedious on the gun thread...and you were btw) and I'm gonna keep up that tack.

That is an understatement!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 09:40:51 PM
Oh, so you like when your republican trump insults with it, but when democrats say it politely you ignore it to continue your partisan rants anyway.

Nice!

Jake Trapper said it, not trump.

So, can I follow you after any democrat quote and say that you love them because you said something about them?

From Friday in case you don't follow Bloomberg or NBC news

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-slams-george-bush-on-9-11--claims-victory-over-cnbc-546100803670 (http://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-slams-george-bush-on-9-11--claims-victory-over-cnbc-546100803670)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 09:42:01 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 09:42:48 PM
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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 09:47:26 PM
From Friday in case you don't follow Bloomberg or NBC news

[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-slams-george-bush-on-9-11--claims-victory-over-cnbc-546100803670[/url] ([url]http://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-slams-george-bush-on-9-11--claims-victory-over-cnbc-546100803670[/url])

Well that is all nice but i was not referring to that.  I was talking about Tapper showing BUSH that he and republicans, like you, excuse Bush for 9/11 and blame Obama/ Clinton for Benghazi.  Both are leaders, but you make it partisan.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 18, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
Trey Gowdy, the chair of the Select Committee on Benghazi, leveled a very serious charge against Hillary Clinton in an October 7 letter. Gowdy asserted that Hillary Clinton disclosed the name of CIA source in an email sent from her private server. Gowdy wrote that the information was “some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.”

A letter from Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the committee, reveals that the CIA reviewed the email in question and found that the information in question was not classified.

Cummings said that Gowdy’s accusation was “irresponsible” and suggested he owes “an immediate apology” to Hillary Clinton.
In response, Gowdy acknowledged the CIA’s view but said that “the name of the alleged source was redacted from the material cleared for public release by someone in the Executive Branch.” Cummings explained that the name was redacted “not for classification reasons, but to protect the individual’s privacy and avoid bringing additional undue attention to this person.”
[url]http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/18/3713593/benghazi-committee-accusation/[/url] ([url]http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/18/3713593/benghazi-committee-accusation/[/url])


Well, gosh, no problem.  Just a little lie to feed the gullible republicans something to dittohead.

What does it matter if it was fabricated?  But, that’s okay with republicans, because fox didn’t tell them they were fed lies.


Trey Gowdy responded today:

Contrary to your assertion, the CIA did not inform the Committee that anything about the facts stated in the October 7 letter "[was] wrong."  As usual, I would ask you to completely and accurately relate the facts rather than attempt to create an impression that is misleading based on an incomplete and selective recitation of the facts.  In fact, my understanding is the CIA advised the Committee in a very brief email late Saturday night that it had reviewed the material in question and asked for no material to be redacted.  In fact, the name of the alleged source was redacted from the material cleared for public release by someone in the Executive Branch -the fact that the CIA says it didn't do it does not mean the material was not sensitive or classified. And in fact, additional information remains in the document that ordinarily would be considered highly sensitive.  This appears to mean either Mr. Blumenthal conveyed false and unreliable information to Secretary Clinton about Libya and misrepresented it, or the review process is faulty or has been politicized.  I also note the fact you did not quote the material in question in your letter, suggesting you yourself have reason to believe that it should not be publicly disclosed for some proper reason.  These are important issues.  I'm glad to know you also consider them important and worthy of detailed additional review by the Committee.


more at:   http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf (http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf)

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
Trey Gowdy responded today:

Contrary to your assertion, the CIA did not inform the Committee that anything about the facts stated in the October 7 letter "[was] wrong."  As usual, I would ask you to completely and accurately relate the facts rather than attempt to create an impression that is misleading based on an incomplete and selective recitation of the facts.  In fact, my understanding is the CIA advised the Committee in a very brief email late Saturday night that it had reviewed the material in question and asked for no material to be redacted.  In fact, the name of the alleged source was redacted from the material cleared for public release by someone in the Executive Branch -the fact that the CIA says it didn't do it does not mean the material was not sensitive or classified. And in fact, additional information remains in the document that ordinarily would be considered highly sensitive.  This appears to mean either Mr. Blumenthal conveyed false and unreliable information to Secretary Clinton about Libya and misrepresented it, or the review process is faulty or has been politicized.  I also note the fact you did not quote the material in question in your letter, suggesting you yourself have reason to believe that it should not be publicly disclosed for some proper reason.  These are important issues.  I'm glad to know you also consider them important and worthy of detailed additional review by the Committee.


more at:   [url]http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf[/url] ([url]http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf[/url])


LOL.  the name was blacked out so he made up that it was someone super secret when it wasn't.  Either he is a fool for not finding out, or jsut wanted to lie for partisan gain.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 09:56:10 PM
Well that is all nice but i was not referring to that.  I was talking about Tapper showing BUSH that he and republicans, like you, excuse Bush for 9/11 and blame Obama/ Clinton for Benghazi.  Both are leaders, but you make it partisan.
LOL  where did I make it partisan?
You respond with I.. I.. I...  and ignore the post that shows otherwise  ;D

Tapper may have his opinion - but I posted Trumps actual interview on the subject to prove his and your suppostion wrong. 

You are the one trying to make it partisan... 
but don't let facts get in the way - as you rarely do  ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 10:00:00 PM
LOL.  the name was blacked out so he made up that it was someone super secret when it wasn't.  Either he is a fool for not finding out, or jsut wanted to lie for partisan gain.
Gee isn't the Obama Admin the ones doing the redacting?   I think you may want to re-read before you start playing the partisan blame game... 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 10:07:28 PM
LOL  where did I make it partisan?
You respond with I.. I.. I...  and ignore the post that shows otherwise  ;D

Tapper may have his opinion - but I posted Trumps actual interview on the subject to prove his and your suppostion wrong. 

You are the one trying to make it partisan... 
but don't let facts get in the way - as you rarely do  ;)

Now, I will type super slow...

Although i didn't see the trump talk, i heard of it when Tapper said it to Jeb Bush.  He was talking to Bush and asked why he...

oh forget it..

I don't even get the point of trying to tell me where I heard it anyway.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 10:10:18 PM
Gee isn't the Obama Admin the ones doing the redacting?   I think you may want to re-read before you start playing the partisan blame game...

CIA did I believe... maybe it was Obama admin.  All I know is they just wanted to give the person privacy and was not a super secret spy that was outed like Cheney did.

I guess you don't care that he made it up to be partisan do you?

You were ranting like a loon about it before weren't you?  I can't remember who says what a lot, but you are the primary partisan in this topic.  Whomever it was got a lot of ammo from him for you to spin and he made it up.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
Now, I will type super slow...

Although i didn't see the trump talk, i heard of it when Tapper said it to Jeb Bush.  He was talking to Bush and asked why he...

oh forget it..

I don't even get the point of trying to tell me where I heard it anyway.
? ? ?   

You don't even make sense...   

You ignored the post I showed saying Trump did the same as your guy did - yet you kept trying to make it partisan... LOL
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 10:19:03 PM
? ? ?   

You don't even make sense...   

You ignored the post I showed saying Trump did the same as your guy did - yet you kept trying to make it partisan... LOL

Okay I went and listened to your boy trump and I didn't hear what you claim.

Pay attention.  Jake tapper talking to Jeb Bush, using what trump said about Bush and his brother keeping the country safe, asked why..


paying attention?

Asked why as the leadership, did republicans excuse President Bush for 9/11, and have had a big scandal going for years because they can't let blaming Obama and Clinton go.

Do you see the gaping difference there?

Did you get it this time/

Did I type slow enough?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 10:21:21 PM
Trey Gowdy responded today:

Contrary to your assertion, the CIA did not inform the Committee that anything about the facts stated in the October 7 letter "[was] wrong."  As usual, I would ask you to completely and accurately relate the facts rather than attempt to create an impression that is misleading based on an incomplete and selective recitation of the facts.  In fact, my understanding is the CIA advised the Committee in a very brief email late Saturday night that it had reviewed the material in question and asked for no material to be redacted.  In fact, the name of the alleged source was redacted from the material cleared for public release by someone in the Executive Branch -the fact that the CIA says it didn't do it does not mean the material was not sensitive or classified. And in fact, additional information remains in the document that ordinarily would be considered highly sensitive.  This appears to mean either Mr. Blumenthal conveyed false and unreliable information to Secretary Clinton about Libya and misrepresented it, or the review process is faulty or has been politicized.  I also note the fact you did not quote the material in question in your letter, suggesting you yourself have reason to believe that it should not be publicly disclosed for some proper reason.  These are important issues.  I'm glad to know you also consider them important and worthy of detailed additional review by the Committee.


more at:   [url]http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf[/url] ([url]http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf[/url])


CIA did I believe... maybe it was Obama admin.  All I know is they just wanted to give the person privacy and was not a super secret spy that was outed like Cheney did.

I guess you don't care that he made it up to be partisan do you?

You were ranting like a loon about it before weren't you?  I can't remember who says what a lot, but you are the primary partisan in this topic.  Whomever it was got a lot of ammo from him for you to spin and he made it up.

You keep losing it - who made up that it was redacted?   

After all this is the most transparent administration with Hillary being involved and all...     I believe the redaction is a part of the process of her emails that have been found to contain stuff probably not appropriate for a private email by a Obama appointee... 

I'm thinking that you don't even know what the meaning of the word partisan means since you throw it around as if it was air - and never have a citation to prove it. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 18, 2015, 10:27:06 PM
Okay I went and listened to your boy trump and I didn't hear what you claim.

Pay attention.  Jake tapper talking to Jeb Bush, using what trump said about Bush and his brother keeping the country safe, asked why..


paying attention?

Asked why as the leadership, did republicans excuse President Bush for 9/11, and have had a big scandal going for years because they can't let blaming Obama and Clinton go.

Do you see the gaping difference there?

Did you get it this time/

Did I type slow enough?
The only change you made is you dropped your partisan claims...   Tapper is a news guy isn't he?

So if Trump agrees with Tapper - we can agree its no longer a partisan issue of 9/11
unless you don't think Trump is a republican.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 18, 2015, 11:19:23 PM
The only change you made is you dropped your partisan claims...   Tapper is a news guy isn't he?

So if Trump agrees with Tapper - we can agree its no longer a partisan issue of 9/11
unless you don't think Trump is a republican.

WHAT?

once again slowly........

Tapper and I used what Trump said for a bigger point.  That you republicans excuse Bush the leader and blame Obama the leader because you are partisan.

Again, I did not quote trump except as used by Tapper.

I don't know how else to explain to you that you are making crap up that I didn't say.

Try to pay attention this time

I don't know if trump agrees with tapper... does he? If he does supply the link.

I am not saying your idol is anything.  I said that tapper used his quote and that is all there is to trump.  He used it (Tapper) to show that YOU and Bush and republicans are partisan about it.  that you excuse the leader Bush for 9/11 and blame Obama/ Clinton for Benghazi (among a million other made up BS)

Did it creep in past your massive partisan barrier this time?

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
Here Professor, maybe posting the entire article for you to read will help you understand.

CNN host destroys Jeb Bush: You blame Hillary for Benghazi but insist brother blameless for 9/11

Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush struggled on Sunday to explain how he could blame Hillary Clinton for the attacks in Benghazi while insisting that George W. Bush was blameless for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
While speaking to Bloomberg last week, Trump reminded the interviewer that George Bush was president when the World Trade Center was attacked in New York.
“He was president, OK?” Trump said. “Blame him, or don’t blame him, but he was president. The World Trade Center came down during his reign.”
The comments sparked Bush to respond by calling Trump “pathetic” in a Twitter post. And on Sunday, he continued to defend the 43rd president during an interview with CNN.
“My brother responded to a crisis and united the country, he organized our country and he kept us safe,” the GOP hopeful told Tapper. “And there’s no denying that. And the great majority of Americans believe that. And I don’t know why he keeps bringing this up.”
“Obviously al Qaeda was responsible for the terrorist attacks of 9/11,” the CNN host pressed. “But how do you respond to critics who ask if your brother and his administration bear no responsibility at all, how do you then make the jump that President Obama and Secretary Clinton are responsible for what happened at Benghazi?”

Bush stammered in response: “Well, I — the question on Benghazi, which we will now finally get the truth to, is was the place secure? They had a responsibility at the Department of State to have proper security.”
“And how was the response in the aftermath of the attack?” he continued. “Was there a chance that these four American lives could have been saved? That’s what the investigation is about, it’s not a political issue… Were we doing the job of protecting our embassies and our consulates, and during the period, those hours after the attacks started, could they have been saved?”
“That’s kind of proving the point of the critics,” Tapper noted. “You don’t want your brother to bear responsibility for 9/11 — and I understand that argument and al Qaeda is responsible — but why are the terrorists not the ones that are responsible for these attacks in Libya?”
“They are!” Bush replied. “But if the ambassador was asking for additional security and they didn’t get it, that’s a proper point. And if it’s proven that the security was adequate compared to other embassies, then fine, we’ll move on.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/cnn-host-destroys-jeb-bush-you-blame-hillary-for-benghazi-but-insist-brother-blameless-for-911/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/cnn-host-destroys-jeb-bush-you-blame-hillary-for-benghazi-but-insist-brother-blameless-for-911/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 19, 2015, 12:58:01 AM
WHAT?

once again slowly........

Tapper and I used what Trump said for a bigger point.  That you republicans excuse Bush the leader and blame Obama the leader because you are partisan.

Again, I did not quote trump except as used by Tapper.

I don't know how else to explain to you that you are making crap up that I didn't say.

Try to pay attention this time

I don't know if trump agrees with tapper... does he? If he does supply the link.

I am not saying your idol is anything.  I said that tapper used his quote and that is all there is to trump.  He used it (Tapper) to show that YOU and Bush and republicans are partisan about it.  that you excuse the leader Bush for 9/11 and blame Obama/ Clinton for Benghazi (among a million other made up BS)

Did it creep in past your massive partisan barrier this time?


Gee and not one citation of the partisanship from myself...  although you keep throwing the term around. 

When you find that - on your tapper article please post it.   

Just because you repeat something - unless you back it up with facts or citations - its not going to make your point. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 01:12:24 AM
Gee and not one citation of the partisanship from myself...  although you keep throwing the term around. 

When you find that - on your tapper article please post it.   

Just because you repeat something - unless you back it up with facts or citations - its not going to make your point.

Well, making progress.

I guess typing really slow for you does help.

I see, so started this in March and are the primary pusher of the partisan witch hunt.  Sorry if you don't like being told the truth.  Wait, wan't it in this topic you admitted you are partisan and that was why you don't post things that don't follow the republican spin?  That was you, wasn't it? 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 01:30:24 AM
This is what Gowdy said, that prof and excelsior have been using for spin.

In addition to Sidney Blumenthal's business interests, Secretary Clinton also apparently received classified infonnation from Blumenthal-information she should have known was classified at the time she received it. In one email, Blumenthal writes "Tyler spoke to a colleague currently at CIA, who told him the agency had been dependent for intelligence from [redacted due to sources and methods] ." This information, the name of a human source, is some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but also human lives. Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded the email to a colleague-debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address.49 There may be other instances as well where Secretary Clinton passed on classified information she received from Sidney Blumenthal.


This is what CIA said about it...

[A]ccording to committee correspondence reviewed by Newsweek, the CIA did tell the [Benghazi] panel on Saturday that it had reviewed 127 emails between Clinton and her close friend and outside adviser, Sidney Blumenthal, and none of it was deemed classified. “The CIA reviewed the material in question and informed State that it required no redactions,” the agency informed Susan Sachsman Grooms, staff director and general counsel for the panel’s Democrats, on October 17.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/19/1434804/-CIA-Confirms-Trey-Gowdy-A-Bald-Faced-Liar (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/19/1434804/-CIA-Confirms-Trey-Gowdy-A-Bald-Faced-Liar)

So, the original had no redaction as he claims that he used to make up a super secret spy outed and crap....

That is a scandal all by itself.  Making up lies and passing them to the media pretending they are real. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Frenchfry on October 19, 2015, 07:15:03 AM
The FBI is for the moment only investigating the security of the system, presumably to see if any sensitive information could have been compromised. The agency is not investigating Clinton herself, who is not accused of any wrongdoing.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-campaign-responds-fbi-inquiry (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-campaign-responds-fbi-inquiry)

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Mitt Romney's Email Hypocrisy
He blasts Hillary Clinton's email "mess"—but Romney used personal email as governor, and his staff destroyed hard drives when he left office.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/mitt-romney-email-hillary-clinton (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/mitt-romney-email-hillary-clinton)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 19, 2015, 09:01:51 AM
This is what Gowdy said, that prof and excelsior have been using for spin.

In addition to Sidney Blumenthal's business interests, Secretary Clinton also apparently received classified infonnation from Blumenthal-information she should have known was classified at the time she received it. In one email, Blumenthal writes "Tyler spoke to a colleague currently at CIA, who told him the agency had been dependent for intelligence from [redacted due to sources and methods] ." This information, the name of a human source, is some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but also human lives. Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded the email to a colleague-debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address.49 There may be other instances as well where Secretary Clinton passed on classified information she received from Sidney Blumenthal.


This is what CIA said about it...

[A]ccording to committee correspondence reviewed by Newsweek, the CIA did tell the [Benghazi] panel on Saturday that it had reviewed 127 emails between Clinton and her close friend and outside adviser, Sidney Blumenthal, and none of it was deemed classified. “The CIA reviewed the material in question and informed State that it required no redactions,” the agency informed Susan Sachsman Grooms, staff director and general counsel for the panel’s Democrats, on October 17.
[url]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/19/1434804/-CIA-Confirms-Trey-Gowdy-A-Bald-Faced-Liar[/url] ([url]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/19/1434804/-CIA-Confirms-Trey-Gowdy-A-Bald-Faced-Liar[/url])

So, the original had no redaction as he claims that he used to make up a super secret spy outed and crap....

That is a scandal all by itself.  Making up lies and passing them to the media pretending they are real. 

And the reply says the same just without the political bias from a Clintonite... 

So who redacted it again?...    Had to be someone in the White house if the CIA didn't - so Why would they redact it?     and was this prior to the knowledge that it wasn't going over a secure system?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 11:48:50 AM
And the reply says the same just without the political bias from a Clintonite... 

So who redacted it again?...    Had to be someone in the White house if the CIA didn't - so Why would they redact it?     and was this prior to the knowledge that it wasn't going over a secure system?

One said redacted, that one said nothing was redacted.

Either way your boy made up lies. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 11:49:04 AM
Smoking gun emails reveal 'deal in blood' George Bush and Tony Blair made as they secretly plotted the Iraq War behind closed doors a YEAR before the invasion
•   Damning White House memo, from secretary of state Colin Powell to president George Bush, was written on March 28, 2002, a week before Bush’s famous summit with Blair at his Crawford ranch in Texas
•   In the bombshell document, headed ‘Secret... Memorandum for the president’, Powell tells Bush that Blair ‘will be with us’ on military action
•   It adds that Blair was preparing to act as spin doctor for Bush, who was told 'the UK will follow our lead'
•   New light was shed on Bush-Blair relations by material disclosed by Hillary Clinton at the order of the U.S. courts




A bombshell White House memo has revealed for the first time details of the ‘deal in blood’ forged by George Bush and Tony Blair over the Iraq War.
The damning memo, from secretary of state Colin Powell to president George Bush, was written on March 28, 2002, a week before Bush’s famous summit with Blair at his Crawford ranch in Texas.
The Powell document, headed ‘Secret... Memorandum for the President’, lifts the lid on how Blair and Bush secretly plotted the war behind closed doors at Crawford.
In it, Powell tells Bush that Blair ‘will be with us’ on military action. Powell assures the president: ‘The UK will follow our lead’.
The classified document also discloses that Blair agreed to act as a glorified spin doctor for the president by presenting ‘public affairs lines’ to convince a skeptical public that Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction - when none existed.
In return, the president would flatter Blair’s ego and give the impression that Britain was not America’s poodle but an equal partner in the ‘special relationship’.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277493/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-deal-blood-George-Bush-Tony-Blair-secretly-plotted-Iraq-War-closed-doors-YEAR-invasion-started.html#ixzz3p1rcRE00 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277493/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-deal-blood-George-Bush-Tony-Blair-secretly-plotted-Iraq-War-closed-doors-YEAR-invasion-started.html#ixzz3p1rcRE00)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 11:49:48 AM
Newly Released Clinton Email Proves Bush & Blair Plotted Iraq War A Year Before Launching It

It turns out that yes, there was some astonishing details hidden in Hillary Clinton’s emails – just not what the Republicans thought it was. Newly released information indicates that then-President George W. Bush had reached a secret deal with British Prime Minister Tony Blair to invade Iraq – nearly a year before the invasion took place. A secret meeting took place in April 2002, where Colin Powell wrote that “He [Blair] will present to you the strategic, tactical and public affairs lines that he believes will strengthen global support for our common cause,” Powell wrote, adding that the prime minister has the skills to “make a credible public case on current Iraqi threats to international peace,” according to Newsmax.

It flies in the face of Blair’s public declaration that he was attempting to find a diplomatic solution to the manufactured “crisis.” It also reveals Blair’s collusion with the Department of Defense in fabricating and selling the “evidence” which convinced America that Saddam Hussein’s regime had weapons of mass destruction (it didn’t) and that they were involved in 9/11 and planning to strike America again (they weren’t). Tony Blair, desperate for the United Kingdom to regain some of its influence in the global balance of power, went along with everything Bush asked him to, including creating the fake narrative that Saddam Hussein had an unmanned aerial vehicle program that could deliver a WMD “within 45 minutes.”

It adds to the heaping mound of evidence that our nation was lied to, not just by our leader, but by those of our allies as well.
http://www.occupydemocrats.com/newly-released-clinton-email-proves-bush-blair-plotted-iraq-war-a-year-before-launching-it/ (http://www.occupydemocrats.com/newly-released-clinton-email-proves-bush-blair-plotted-iraq-war-a-year-before-launching-it/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 11:52:07 AM
That is some serious revelations.  I wonder, professor H, are you going to make a topic and post on it many times a day, every day for years?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 11:59:18 AM
And the reply says the same just without the political bias from a Clintonite... 

So who redacted it again?...    Had to be someone in the White house if the CIA didn't - so Why would they redact it?     and was this prior to the knowledge that it wasn't going over a secure system?


GOWDY... Gowdy redacted it.

[M]y understanding is the CIA advised the Committee in a very brief email late Saturday night that it had reviewed the material in question and asked for no material to be redacted [. . . ]
Our Committee has access to career civil servants, former federal prosecutors, former intelligence experts as well as military experts who are uniquely well suited to gauge intelligence information and how it should be handled. Although the Executive Branch is ultimately responsible for classification, we remain concerned with the naming of sources and methods and will continue to protect that information now and going forward where it is readily apparent to us. As such, we will continue to redact certain information to protect sensitive information regardless of how others treat that information
http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf (http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf)

Well, look at that…  The CIA did not redact, nor did the White House.  Gowdy did…

So, he knew the name before he blacked it out and gave it to the press with his wild LIES.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 12:01:55 PM
To further inflate your claim, you placed your own redactions over the name of the individual with the words, “redacted due to sources and methods.”  To be clear, these redactions were not made, and these words were not added, by any agency of the federal government responsible for enforcing classification guidelines.
    Predictably, commentators began repeating your accusations in even more extreme terms, suggesting in headlines for example that “Clinton Burns CIA Libya Contact.”
    Contrary to your claims, the CIA yesterday informed both the Republican and Democratic staffs of the Select Committee that they do not consider the information you highlighted in your letter to be classified.  Specifically, the CIA confirmed that “the State Department consulted with the CIA on this production, the CIA reviewed these documents, and the CIA made no redactions to protect classified information.”
    Unfortunately, you sent your letter on October 7 without checking first with the CIA.  Now that we have done so, we have learned that your accusations were incorrect.
    As a result of your actions, the State Department yesterday asked the Select Committee not to reveal the individual’s name publicly, not for classification reasons, but to protect the individual’s privacy and avoid bringing additional undue attention to this person.
    Unfortunately, the standard operating procedure of this Select Committee has become to put out information publicly that is inaccurate and out of context in order to attack Secretary Clinton for political reasons.  These repeated actions bring discredit on this investigation and undermine the integrity of the Select Committee and the House of Representatives.
http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/cia-debunks-gowdy-s-allegation-that-clinton-email-contained-classified-cia (http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/cia-debunks-gowdy-s-allegation-that-clinton-email-contained-classified-cia)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 19, 2015, 01:19:54 PM
GOWDY... Gowdy redacted it.

[M]y understanding is the CIA advised the Committee in a very brief email late Saturday night that it had reviewed the material in question and asked for no material to be redacted [. . . ]
Our Committee has access to career civil servants, former federal prosecutors, former intelligence experts as well as military experts who are uniquely well suited to gauge intelligence information and how it should be handled. Although the Executive Branch is ultimately responsible for classification, we remain concerned with the naming of sources and methods and will continue to protect that information now and going forward where it is readily apparent to us. As such, we will continue to redact certain information to protect sensitive information regardless of how others treat that information
[url]http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf[/url] ([url]http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf[/url])

Well, look at that…  The CIA did not redact, nor did the White House.  Gowdy did…

So, he knew the name before he blacked it out and gave it to the press with his wild LIES.


Funny we both cite the same pdf file and you claim one thing and I see another...


Trey Gowdy responded today:

Contrary to your assertion, the CIA did not inform the Committee that anything about the facts stated in the October 7 letter "[was] wrong."  As usual, I would ask you to completely and accurately relate the facts rather than attempt to create an impression that is misleading based on an incomplete and selective recitation of the facts.  In fact, my understanding is the CIA advised the Committee in a very brief email late Saturday night that it had reviewed the material in question and asked for no material to be redacted.  In fact, the name of the alleged source was redacted from the material cleared for public release by someone in the Executive Branch -the fact that the CIA says it didn't do it does not mean the material was not sensitive or classified. And in fact, additional information remains in the document that ordinarily would be considered highly sensitive.  This appears to mean either Mr. Blumenthal conveyed false and unreliable information to Secretary Clinton about Libya and misrepresented it, or the review process is faulty or has been politicized.  I also note the fact you did not quote the material in question in your letter, suggesting you yourself have reason to believe that it should not be publicly disclosed for some proper reason.  These are important issues.  I'm glad to know you also consider them important and worthy of detailed additional review by the Committee.


more at:   [url]http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf[/url] ([url]http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Gowdy%20to%20EEC%2010.18.15.pdf[/url])


Title: How do REPUBLICANS get around those pesky email laws?
Post by: lilly on October 19, 2015, 01:22:47 PM
CIA Catches Republicans Red-Handed Altering Hillary’s Emails

Ever since Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) admitted that the primary function of his House Benghazi committee was to publicly smear Hillary Clinton and damage her credibility, the details of their gross misconduct have begun pouring out, indicating that this was a much more elaborate and extensive conspiracy than it originally appeared. Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), a ranking member of the House Benghazi committee, is determined that justice be served for the blatant misuse of public funds and that Secretary Clinton’s name be cleared.

Now Cummings and the Central Intelligence Agency have caught Chairman Rep.Trey Gowdy (R-SC) culpable in one of the biggest scandals to hit the notorious committee. Gowdy accused Hillary Clinton of releasing the name of a classified CIA informant in her email, saying that her email server contained “some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.”

This has been found to be patently false. Gowdy has been exposed for altering documents and distorting information in order to make Clinton look culpable – except none of that information was classified, as stated in this sharp letter issued by Cummings:
Quote
    The problem with your accusation—as with so many others during this investigation—is that you failed to check your facts before you made it, and the CIA has now informed the Select Committee that you were wrong. I believe your accusations were irresponsible, and I believe you owe the Secretary an immediate apology. 

    To further inflate your claim, you placed your own redactions over the name of the individual with the words, “redacted due to sources and methods.”  To be clear, these redactions were not made, and these words were not added, by any agency of the federal government responsible for enforcing classification guidelines.

    Contrary to your claims, the CIA yesterday informed both the Republican and Democratic staffs of the Select Committee that they do not consider the information you highlighted in your letter to be classified.  Specifically, the CIA confirmed that “the State Department consulted with the CIA on this production, the CIA reviewed these documents, and the CIA made no redactions to protect classified information.”

    Unfortunately, you sent your letter on October 7 without checking first with the CIA.  Now that we have done so, we have learned that your accusations were incorrect.


Not only has Gowdy been found leading his committee on a partisan crusade, he’s been fabricating evidence and openly lying about the contents of Clinton’s email server. It is an absolute travesty that the deaths of four Americans have been used in such a vile fashion by House Republicans. Instead of honoring their memories and learning from the mistakes that were made, in order to prevent them from occurring again, they have been turned into a political firebomb aimed at discrediting one of our nation’s most prominent and dedicated public servants. The legality of all this is still unclear, but one would assume that some consequences would be in store for distorting intelligence documents and openly lying to the public.

In an atmosphere of political dysfunction where the House Republicans have become a roadblock preventing any substantial legislative action from moving forward, it’s time to question the role of the Republican Party in our politics at all. They have wasted millions and produced nothing; they draw their salaries and waste our nation’s time on ridiculous witch-hunts against Planned Parenthood and Hillary Clinton but do nothing as our infrastructure crumbles and our middle class withers away under the ravenous hunger of the wealthy oligarchs. They do not deserve a place in the political discourse of a civilized nation.

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/cia-catches-republicans-red-handed-altering-hillarys-emails-to-smear-her/ (http://www.occupydemocrats.com/cia-catches-republicans-red-handed-altering-hillarys-emails-to-smear-her/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 19, 2015, 01:54:20 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-z5PL-7EiM7A/ViPeH0qMW_I/AAAAAAAAPeY/rmm9TZMHAR8/s640/Berning%2Bthe%2BEmbassy.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 02:00:35 PM
([url]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-z5PL-7EiM7A/ViPeH0qMW_I/AAAAAAAAPeY/rmm9TZMHAR8/s640/Berning%2Bthe%2BEmbassy.jpg[/url])


Yeah, you are right professor.  It doesn't matter if your republican makes up lies to do it, does it?

How many investigations so far?

Excelsior cries if I exaggerate to 14.  What is it 11 now?

But, why stop when you can make lies over and over for years?

Not a classified document, hey just redact a name and make up it is a super secret spy or something. 

Release it to the press for the sheep to bleat it as truth, then no one will believe the real truth.



Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 19, 2015, 02:07:12 PM
CIA Catches Republicans Red-Handed Altering Hillary’s Emails
<snip>
[url]http://www.occupydemocrats.com/cia-catches-republicans-red-handed-altering-hillarys-emails-to-smear-her/[/url] ([url]http://www.occupydemocrats.com/cia-catches-republicans-red-handed-altering-hillarys-emails-to-smear-her/[/url])


LOL  citing a credible source I see...   :o

I can probably google and find the extreme right view if you think that adds to anything  ;)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 19, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
So the Dem's want to forget about the emails... fine

Lets examine the entire country that they destroyed in less than 4 years

Libya was once the most stable country in Africa, it also had the highest standard of living as of 2011 — HAD. Enter military-industrial-complex and corporate imperialism. Oh Hillary, I though you were a progressive that loved peace? Damn, has the media been lying to us again? Yes, Obama and Hillary took Libya from a stable, prosperous country to a completely failed state in 4 short years. Here’s how:
Muammar Gaddafi, now deceased former Prime Minister of Libya, ran a dictatorship very much as our allies in Saudi Arabia do. He wasn’t a great guy by any means, but he wasn’t nearly as bad as the Saudis when it comes to human rights. While human rights were used as the excuse given by Hillary Clinton to overthrow his country and assassinate him, this is far from the truth. Gaddafi was an economic threat to the American Empire; and CFR member, Hillary Clinton, knew that intimately. You see, Gaddafi was working on a way to get out from under the Petrodollar hegemony, and the powers that be didn’t like that. He was on the verge of implementing an Africa-wide gold backed currency called the Dinar.
That’s when they decided to overthrow this peaceful country, literally destroying it. While the media lavished attention on the wrongdoings of Gaddafi in 2011 prior to our “liberation” of Libya, little has been made of what has happened since. This is where the scandal takes a turn for the worst. The US backed known Al-Qeada factions in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, and now the country has fallen into a literal failed state.

http://theantimedia.org/forget-hillarys-emails-heres-real-scandal-nobody-talking/ (http://theantimedia.org/forget-hillarys-emails-heres-real-scandal-nobody-talking/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 02:56:36 PM
So the Dem's want to forget about the emails... fine

Lets examine the entire country that they destroyed in less than 4 years

Libya was once the most stable country in Africa, it also had the highest standard of living as of 2011 — HAD. Enter military-industrial-complex and corporate imperialism. Oh Hillary, I though you were a progressive that loved peace? Damn, has the media been lying to us again? Yes, Obama and Hillary took Libya from a stable, prosperous country to a completely failed state in 4 short years. Here’s how:
Muammar Gaddafi, now deceased former Prime Minister of Libya, ran a dictatorship very much as our allies in Saudi Arabia do. He wasn’t a great guy by any means, but he wasn’t nearly as bad as the Saudis when it comes to human rights. While human rights were used as the excuse given by Hillary Clinton to overthrow his country and assassinate him, this is far from the truth. Gaddafi was an economic threat to the American Empire; and CFR member, Hillary Clinton, knew that intimately. You see, Gaddafi was working on a way to get out from under the Petrodollar hegemony, and the powers that be didn’t like that. He was on the verge of implementing an Africa-wide gold backed currency called the Dinar.
That’s when they decided to overthrow this peaceful country, literally destroying it. While the media lavished attention on the wrongdoings of Gaddafi in 2011 prior to our “liberation” of Libya, little has been made of what has happened since. This is where the scandal takes a turn for the worst. The US backed known Al-Qeada factions in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, and now the country has fallen into a literal failed state.

[url]http://theantimedia.org/forget-hillarys-emails-heres-real-scandal-nobody-talking/[/url] ([url]http://theantimedia.org/forget-hillarys-emails-heres-real-scandal-nobody-talking/[/url])



don't you get it...

you and your republicans are being outed showing that they indeed are on a partisan witch hunt.

this email thing is just a fishing trip in another Benghazi investigation that you ignore the other ten or eleven or 14 (just for you excelsior) times.

Now, it is shown that the leader of the recent one is releasing documents doctored up to make deliberate lies. 

How can you condone that.  Yeah I know you are a partisan and can't help making crap up.  But that is a leader of your party making up complete lies for partisan gain.

I have been saying to you for a long time it is all partisan and nothing more.  Now your leadership is sowing that factually true.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on October 19, 2015, 03:14:02 PM

Now, it is shown that the leader of the recent one is releasing documents doctored up to make deliberate lies. 
 But that is a leader of your party making up complete lies for partisan gain.

You should be happy. If Gowdy shows up with a bunch of made up and doctored documents,
he will certainly be charged and sent to prison and kicked out of any political office.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 03:19:20 PM
You should be happy. If Gowdy shows up with a bunch of made up and doctored documents,
he will certainly be charged and sent to prison and kicked out of any political office.

He just did like you, you should be proud of him.

his word is just as god as yours too..worthless.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 19, 2015, 09:48:48 PM
He just did like you, you should be proud of him.

his word is just as god as yours too..worthless.

Better take it easy on this thread Bevis...  Professor isn't as tolerant as Live is....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 19, 2015, 09:51:19 PM
Better take it easy on this thread Bevis...  Professor isn't as tolerant as Live is....

What does professor H have to do with my comment to nails?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 19, 2015, 09:55:37 PM
Duh.....Who's thread is this....  Professor started it, he can lock it....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Tim Heiss on October 20, 2015, 10:07:10 AM
LOL  citing a credible source I see...   :o

I can probably google and find the extreme right view if you think that adds to anything  ;)
Seems someone tried to hack into my account so I had to make a new one since I can no longer access the lilly account.

Anyhow, here is yet another source for you to disparage.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/house-benghazi-committee-chairman-trey-gowdy-200901550.html (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/house-benghazi-committee-chairman-trey-gowdy-200901550.html)

The Republican-led House Select Committee on Benghazi hastily deleted the name of a high-level Libyan defector from one of its public releases on Monday, shortly after Yahoo News reported the panel had inadvertently revealed the defector’s name in an effort to embarrass Hillary Clinton.

The disclosure, followed by the quick wiping out of the name of ex-Libyan foreign minister Moussa Koussa (who had defected and become a source for the CIA on Libya), once again put the panel on the defensive on the eve of Thursday’s slated testimony from Clinton.

The incident was especially awkward for GOP chairman Rep. Trey Gowdy because just two weeks ago he had sought to make an issue over Clinton’s handling of an email that contained Koussa’s name.

At the time, Gowdy said, an email sent to Clinton on March 18, 2011, by her longtime friend and adviser Sidney Blumenthal contained the “name of a human source” for the CIA and was therefore “some of the most protected information in our intelligence community.”

“Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded the email to a colleague — debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address,” wrote Gowdy in an Oct. 7 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the panel’s ranking Democrat, which he released publicly.

But over the weekend, the CIA undercut Gowdy’s assertion by informing the committee it did not seek any redactions in that or 126 other Blumenthal emails sent to Clinton, a sign that the panel did not view the information as classified.

Gowdy quickly pushed back on Sunday, countering that the Blumenthal email still contained “sensitive” information that should have been protected. He then publicly released the full text of the Blumenthal email with the name of the CIA source redacted.

But, as Yahoo News pointed out in a story published this morning, Gowdy’s release included Blumenthal’s subject line — which had Koussa’s name in it. Shortly after the story appeared, the committee then redacted Koussa’s name from the subject line. (You can read the original Gowdy release here and see the current version, with the Koussa redaction, here.)

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/HqbWFfhWuoIxlXC5ZlieLg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://36.media.tumblr.com/9ee69235bc8ed37f3829333cda725c7e/tumblr_inline_nwhh7y3iVK1tdgnv1_1280.jpg)

Today, Jamal Ware, a spokesman for committee Republicans, blamed the State Department for the apparent screwup. He said the department had “failed to redact” Koussa’s name from the subject line of the 2011 email, even though it was redacted elsewhere, before forwarding it to the committee.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner today acknowledged the mistake, calling it “human error” in the course of its review of Clinton’s emails. (The State Department’s position to the committee was that Koussa’s name should be redacted on privacy grounds, not that it is classified.)

But Ware did not address why the panel had not fully vetted the email for its contents before publicly releasing it.

Koussa was for years a top official in ex-Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi’s government, serving as intelligence chief before becoming foreign minister. He was widely suspected for years of having been a mastermind behind the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 20, 2015, 10:15:44 AM
Seems someone tried to hack into my account so I had to make a new one since I can no longer access the lilly account.

Interestingly, right after I sent you the PM the other day, my Norton AV showed an attempted intrusion on this computer and lately, I've been getting a bunch of  'certificate errors' on this site....

I'm not computer savvy at all.  Either it works or I buy a new one...lol
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 20, 2015, 10:33:36 AM
Interestingly, right after I sent you the PM the other day, my Norton AV showed an attempted intrusion on this computer and lately, I've been getting a bunch of  'certificate errors' on this site....

I'm not computer savvy at all.  Either it works or I buy a new one...lol

LOL!  Baby Hitler is a hacker?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 20, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
Norton is really aggressive and gives you a lot of false info in my opinion.  I don't use it anymore.
I've been using the free version of AVG for years without any problems.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Tim Heiss on October 20, 2015, 12:36:54 PM
LOL!  Baby Hitler is a hacker?
Actually my account was hacked. But I understand your confusion since you get confused so easily.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 20, 2015, 01:11:40 PM
Actually my account was hacked. But I understand your confusion since you get confused so easily.

You misunderstood what he was making up about you.  Flipper sent you an email.and 24/7 blames you for something on his home computer after.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 20, 2015, 07:26:49 PM
Actually my account was hacked. But I understand your confusion since you get confused so easily.
Interesting in one that someone would even think that hacking into an account here would lead to anything...  and two that the MEN can't reset a password?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 20, 2015, 07:39:34 PM
Seems someone tried to hack into my account so I had to make a new one since I can no longer access the lilly account.

Anyhow, here is yet another source for you to disparage.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/politics/house-benghazi-committee-chairman-trey-gowdy-200901550.html[/url] ([url]https://www.yahoo.com/politics/house-benghazi-committee-chairman-trey-gowdy-200901550.html[/url])

The Republican-led House Select Committee on Benghazi hastily deleted the name of a high-level Libyan defector from one of its public releases on Monday, shortly after Yahoo News reported the panel had inadvertently revealed the defector’s name in an effort to embarrass Hillary Clinton.

The disclosure, followed by the quick wiping out of the name of ex-Libyan foreign minister Moussa Koussa (who had defected and become a source for the CIA on Libya), once again put the panel on the defensive on the eve of Thursday’s slated testimony from Clinton.

The incident was especially awkward for GOP chairman Rep. Trey Gowdy because just two weeks ago he had sought to make an issue over Clinton’s handling of an email that contained Koussa’s name.

At the time, Gowdy said, an email sent to Clinton on March 18, 2011, by her longtime friend and adviser Sidney Blumenthal contained the “name of a human source” for the CIA and was therefore “some of the most protected information in our intelligence community.”

“Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded the email to a colleague — debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address,” wrote Gowdy in an Oct. 7 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the panel’s ranking Democrat, which he released publicly.

But over the weekend, the CIA undercut Gowdy’s assertion by informing the committee it did not seek any redactions in that or 126 other Blumenthal emails sent to Clinton, a sign that the panel did not view the information as classified.

Gowdy quickly pushed back on Sunday, countering that the Blumenthal email still contained “sensitive” information that should have been protected. He then publicly released the full text of the Blumenthal email with the name of the CIA source redacted.

But, as Yahoo News pointed out in a story published this morning, Gowdy’s release included Blumenthal’s subject line — which had Koussa’s name in it. Shortly after the story appeared, the committee then redacted Koussa’s name from the subject line. (You can read the original Gowdy release here and see the current version, with the Koussa redaction, here.)

([url]https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/HqbWFfhWuoIxlXC5ZlieLg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://36.media.tumblr.com/9ee69235bc8ed37f3829333cda725c7e/tumblr_inline_nwhh7y3iVK1tdgnv1_1280.jpg[/url])

Today, Jamal Ware, a spokesman for committee Republicans, blamed the State Department for the apparent screwup. He said the department had “failed to redact” Koussa’s name from the subject line of the 2011 email, even though it was redacted elsewhere, before forwarding it to the committee.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner today acknowledged the mistake, calling it “human error” in the course of its review of Clinton’s emails. (The State Department’s position to the committee was that Koussa’s name should be redacted on privacy grounds, not that it is classified.)

But Ware did not address why the panel had not fully vetted the email for its contents before publicly releasing it.

Koussa was for years a top official in ex-Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi’s government, serving as intelligence chief before becoming foreign minister. He was widely suspected for years of having been a mastermind behind the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.


So I'm still trying to get the point... 
 if nothing in Hillary's emails were "secret" then why are people scrambling to redact the name of someone who was being discussed in them?

It shouldn't matter who - if the white house or Gowdy or someone else did... the facts in the article claim it was sensitive information -
and we all know there was no sensitive information in her emails - as that would have been against her claims.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 21, 2015, 12:29:04 PM


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Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 21, 2015, 04:34:35 PM
Norton is really aggressive and gives you a lot of false info in my opinion.  I don't use it anymore.
I've been using the free version of AVG for years without any problems.

I treid AVG for about 30 days.  Because I deal with people worldwide it wasn't up to the task.  I agree Norton is agressive, excatly what I want.

Moswt times freeware is free for a reason.  My exception is CCleaner.  Thats a good program.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 21, 2015, 06:54:13 PM

Three years later...

Today:

#BREAKING: The State Dept *just* delivered nearly 900 additional printed pages of Ambassador Chris Stevens’ emails.

https://twitter.com/HouseBenghazi/status/656944881651351552

Yesterday:

#BREAKING: The State Dept *just* delivered nearly 1,300 printed pages of new emails from Ambassador Chris Stevens.

https://twitter.com/HouseBenghazi/status/656518306321571842
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 21, 2015, 07:07:55 PM

Three years later...

Today:

#BREAKING: The State Dept *just* delivered nearly 900 additional printed pages of Ambassador Chris Stevens’ emails.

[url]https://twitter.com/HouseBenghazi/status/656944881651351552[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/HouseBenghazi/status/656944881651351552[/url])

Yesterday:

#BREAKING: The State Dept *just* delivered nearly 1,300 printed pages of new emails from Ambassador Chris Stevens.

[url]https://twitter.com/HouseBenghazi/status/656518306321571842[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/HouseBenghazi/status/656518306321571842[/url])


Contrary to Republican claims, multiple committees of Congress—including the Oversight Committee on which Chairman Gowdy serves—had access to many of Ambassador Stevens’ emails for years.  On November 24, 2014, and December 9, 2014, the State Department produced to the Select Committee approximately 25,000 pages of documents that had already been “previously produced to Congress.”  Some of these emails from Ambassador Stevens included:
•an August 19, 2011, email exchange between Special Envoy Stevens and the Deputy Director of the Office of Maghreb Affairs about the logistics of providing security for a temporary duty officer to be assigned to eastern Libya (C05392462);
•a September 6, 2011, email from Special Envoy Stevens explaining why he felt it was important to maintain a U.S. presence in Benghazi (C05389447);
•a June 12, 2012, email exchange between Ambassador Stevens and the Director of the Office of Maghreb Affairs about the security situation in Benghazi (C05409960);
•a June 13, 2012, email exchange between Ambassador Stevens and State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland about the Department’s public statements in light of recent violence in Libya (C05391866);
•an August 30, 2012, email exchange between Ambassador Stevens and the Principal Officer in Benghazi discussing a press report about the security situation in Benghazi (C05397290); and
•a September 8, 2012, email exchange between Ambassador Stevens and the Political Officer in Tripoli discussing a schedule for Ambassador Stevens’ upcoming travel to Benghazi (C05395356).
http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/benghazi-fact-check-republican-claim-that-congress-never-saw-any-of-ambassador (http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/benghazi-fact-check-republican-claim-that-congress-never-saw-any-of-ambassador)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 21, 2015, 07:11:08 PM
So I'm still trying to get the point... 
 if nothing in Hillary's emails were "secret" then why are people scrambling to redact the name of someone who was being discussed in them?

It shouldn't matter who - if the white house or Gowdy or someone else did... the facts in the article claim it was sensitive information -
and we all know there was no sensitive information in her emails - as that would have been against her claims.

Two different things.  Gowdy claimed that she had super secret clearance emails.  THAT email.  It was deemed by CIA to not be at all.  Somoene wanted the name covered.  See, Gowdy claims someone might have gotten that name that was not top secret at all and Clinton was bad because someone might have found out the name.

So, he emailed it.  He did was he accused Clinton doing.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 21, 2015, 07:16:12 PM
Democrats Release Full Mills Interview Transcript to Correct Public Record After Inaccurate Republican Leaks

WASHINGTON—Today, Democratic Members of the House Select Committee on Benghazi released the full transcript of the Select Committee’s interview with former State Department Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills in order to correct the public record after numerous out-of-context and misleading Republican leaks.

The transcript includes no evidence to support Republican claims that Secretary Clinton ordered the military to stand down and no evidence that Secretary Clinton personally denied requests for additional security—accusations that have been debunked repeatedly in previous investigations. 

It does, however, provide significant evidence that Secretary Clinton was deeply engaged during and after the attacks and took action to ensure the safety and security of U.S. personnel, even as intelligence assessments of the attacks changed more than once during this period.

“Multiple Republican admissions over the past month have made clear to the American people what we have been witnessing firsthand inside the Select Committee for the past year—Republicans are spending millions of taxpayer dollars on a partisan campaign to damage Secretary Clinton’s bid for president,” said Ranking Member Elijah Cummings. 

“After multiple selective and out-of-context leaks mischaracterizing Ms. Mills’ testimony, Democrats are now correcting the record by releasing the full transcript to the American people,” Cummings said.
http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/democrats-release-full-mills-interview-transcript-to-correct-public-record-after (http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/democrats-release-full-mills-interview-transcript-to-correct-public-record-after)

Or you can go read the entire testimony at
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1MK_8G2uKyfZ1RFOEM2czJLWlE/view?pli=1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1MK_8G2uKyfZ1RFOEM2czJLWlE/view?pli=1)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 21, 2015, 07:31:20 PM
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz101615dAPR20151016114637.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 21, 2015, 07:36:58 PM
Curious why nothing is being covered or done on the Lois Lerner side of the Democrats email scandals...
=============================================
IRS Gets Sued Over Bonuses To Lois Lerner

For more than two years, the IRS targeting scandal has been one dissembling excuse after another. Rogue employees in Cincinnati! Oops, the emails are gone! Lois won’t testify! We can’t be expected to perform with the IRS budget being slashed! IRS can’t hand over anything without violating taxpayer confidentiality. Lois’s dog did it! This was a spontaneous demonstration to a video!

You name it, we’ve heard it. So I was delighted to read that the mysterious IRS bonuses are the subject of a FOIA suit. On June 20, 2013, weeks after the targeting story broke from Lois Lerner herself (before she took the Fifth), the IRS paid out $70 million in bonuses. Ms. Lerner received $42,000, part of her $129,300 in bonuses. Former Commissioner Miller (!) received $100,000. If anyone can get to the bottom of the CIA-like IRS, it is Tax Analysts, which has a long tradition of suing the agency.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/09/14/irs-gets-sued-over-bonuses-to-lois-lerner/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/09/14/irs-gets-sued-over-bonuses-to-lois-lerner/)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Tiny on October 21, 2015, 09:37:03 PM
Game Over Judge: These Are All the Charges Hillary Faces Over Private Emails

What are the potential consequences for Hillary Clinton for using a personal email account during her time as secretary of state?

On Wednesday, the House Select Committee on Benghazi issued her a subpoena for all communications related to the investigation.
Judge Andrew Napolitano sat down with Martha MacCallum to go over the two potential criminal investigations that the former First Lady could face.

1. The less serious possibility is an investigation similar to what was brought against Gen. David Petraeus, who pleaded guilty this week for keeping classified documents in an unsecured location. The judge explained that in Mrs. Clinton’s case, she kept classified secrets on a home server that was not secured by the government. Napolitano said there’s no way Clinton did not have classified material on her home server, since she held the same security clearance as the president. That would only be a misdemeanor charge, however.

2. Napolitano said the far more serious charge would be a conspiracy to “conceal documents from government computers,” which carries a penalty of three years in jail per document. A conviction on that charge would disqualify her from holding public office again.

BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE!

Not only is Clinton facing serious criminal charges, but it turns out that she personally disciplined a former-US ambassador for doing the exact same thing she’s now accused of doing!

So much for “sexism.”

In case you haven’t had your daily dose of liberal hypocrisy today, here’s a fresh cup for you involving some new details about the Hillary Clinton email scandal.

Apparently, the State Department–under her watch–forced a U.S. ambassador to resign from his post after it was discovered he was using a private email address back in 2012. …

Hillary’s State Department actually forced the 2012 resignation of the U.S. ambassador to Kenya in part for setting up an unsanctioned private e-mail system. According to a 2012 report from the State Deptartment’s inspector general, former U.S. ambassador to Kenya Scott Gration set up a private e-mail system for his office in 2011.

The inspector general’s report offered a scathing assessment of Gration’s information security practices — practices that are eerily similar to those undertaken by Clinton while she served as Secretary of State […]

The inspector general’s report specifically noted that Gration violated State Department policy by using a private, unsanctioned e-mail service for official. In its executive summary listing its key judgments against the U.S. ambassador to Kenya who served under Hillary Clinton, the inspector general stated that Gration’s decision to willfully violate departmental information security policies highlighted Gration’s “reluctance to accept clear-cut U.S. Government decisions.” The report claimed that this reluctance to obey governmental security policies was the former ambassador’s “greatest weakness.”

This will destroy her.

That is, if this news doesn’t do it first.

What do you think of Ms. Clinton’s 2016 hopes NOW?

https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/judge-these-are-all-the-charges-hillary-faces-over-private-emails (https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/judge-these-are-all-the-charges-hillary-faces-over-private-emails)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 21, 2015, 09:47:01 PM
We are no longer a nation of laws at just about all levels. It's not going to matter what Hillary did or didn't do. And a lot of the people don't care. It's all in the hands of the justice dept.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: John Kopke on October 21, 2015, 09:55:40 PM
Doesn't really matter what the scandal is from a Clinton, or Obama administration, the bottom line is there is no evidence of malfeasance. So that's the bottom line right? Well that isn't my take. Under both these administrations we can't get the evidence! Stonewall, destroy evidence, delete, bogus executive privilege (fast and furious) and on and on. Nixon was a piker compared to these folks, and he was forced to resign! Have we come to the point where pols are exonerated because we can't prove they're vermin because they can keep the evidence from being exposed? The answer is yes.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 21, 2015, 09:57:55 PM
We are no longer a nation of laws at just about all levels. It's not going to matter what Hillary did or didn't do. And a lot of the people don't care. It's all in the hands of the justice dept.

You mean the one appointed by the people who need investigated?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 21, 2015, 10:24:33 PM
The NYT should be on stand by to update their article tomorrow with the new excuses.

How the Story of Hillary Clinton’s Emails Has Changed

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s explanations about her use of a personal email account as secretary of state have evolved over time. She is expected to be questioned about her statements by a House committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-statements.html (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-statements.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 21, 2015, 10:43:54 PM
Doesn't really matter what the scandal is from a Clinton, or Obama administration, the bottom line is there is no evidence of malfeasance. So that's the bottom line right? Well that isn't my take. Under both these administrations we can't get the evidence! Stonewall, destroy evidence, delete, bogus executive privilege (fast and furious) and on and on. Nixon was a piker compared to these folks, and he was forced to resign! Have we come to the point where pols are exonerated because we can't prove they're vermin because they can keep the evidence from being exposed? The answer is yes.


Two independent inspector generals reviewed Hillary emails and both concluded that they contained "Top Secret” data.   They referred the matter to the FBI.

Someone broke the law when they took this information out of a government Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF).

Second Review Says Classified Information Was in Hillary Clinton’s Email
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 21, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
There are no laws anymore
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 22, 2015, 08:49:08 AM
There are no laws anymore

Yes, but that only applies to the elite.

Us lowly peons are strangled by them.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 22, 2015, 09:00:01 AM
We are no longer a nation of laws at just about all levels. It's not going to matter what Hillary did or didn't do. And a lot of the people don't care. It's all in the hands of the justice dept.

You said a mouthfull and just imagine if she gets elected Pres....Can you imagine what it will be like with that scumbag...  I don't even want to think about it....

I hear the toilet flushing........... ;D
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: old salt on October 22, 2015, 09:04:09 AM
There are no laws anymore


Not only that, let's treat illegals like family.

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/focus/supporting-undocumented-youth.pdf (http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/focus/supporting-undocumented-youth.pdf)

"Publicly demonstrate support for undocumented students" ...

"educate all students about the challenges and strengths of undocumented students, such as by hosting an Undocumented Week."

"Each day, highlight an issue faced by undocumented students or celebrate an accomplishment of the undocumented immigrant community," it continues.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/obama_proposes_schools_celebrate_undocumented_immigrant_awareness_day.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/obama_proposes_schools_celebrate_undocumented_immigrant_awareness_day.html)

up is down, black is white, round is square.  Instead of an orange jumpsuit,  low information voters and illegals are going to put her in the white house.


Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 22, 2015, 09:29:19 AM
"up is down, black is white, round is square.  Instead of an orange jumpsuit,  low information voters and illegals are going to put her in the white house."

...and at that point or soon thereafter, John Kopke's assunption thread about 'Being Done' will apply.  Hillary gets elected, we are all done, well done.

No firearms, no money, stupid unemployment and overbearance of the central government based on lies and deceit....how wonderful...

But the 'free cheese' will be there.....  Problem is, will most likely be moldy.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 22, 2015, 01:46:25 PM
"up is down, black is white, round is square.  Instead of an orange jumpsuit,  low information voters and illegals are going to put her in the white house."

...and at that point or soon thereafter, John Kopke's assunption thread about 'Being Done' will apply.  Hillary gets elected, we are all done, well done.

No firearms, no money, stupid unemployment and overbearance of the central government based on lies and deceit....how wonderful...

But the 'free cheese' will be there.....  Problem is, will most likely be moldy.

We are already done.

Proof was electing Obama the second time.

More proof was when electing a Republican Congress and Senate didn't slow down anything.

We are done.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 22, 2015, 03:13:05 PM
Nor 'well done' yet.  Hillary will turn up the oven and make sure of that....  However, right now Hillary is getting BBQ'd over the e-mails.  Gotta love it.

Instead of President, she needs 3 hots and a cot....
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 22, 2015, 03:49:36 PM
Is Gowdy going to be the guy that brings Hillary down?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 22, 2015, 09:22:53 PM
Anything is possible....  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 23, 2015, 07:04:49 AM
Is Gowdy going to be the guy that brings Hillary down?

No way in hell.

She's a Clinton.  Shlt doesn't stick to her.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 23, 2015, 08:13:47 AM
No way in hell.

She's a Clinton.  Shlt doesn't stick to her.

+1

The American People don't care.

They will still vote for her if the Democrats put her up before them.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: T-M-T on October 23, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
Is Gowdy going to be the guy that brings Hillary down?

Just the opposite!  The moron Republicans gave her a platform to be on TV for 11 hours and demonstrate just how Presidential she can be.

I only hope Trump and Carson keep leading the polls on the R side and it will be smooth sailing for Hillary (and Bill!) to return to the White House.

I think there’s going to be a lot more whining and hand-wringing on this forum for the next several years!!
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 23, 2015, 04:26:33 PM
Just the opposite!  The moron Republicans gave her a platform to be on TV for 11 hours and demonstrate just how Presidential she can be.

I only hope Trump and Carson keep leading the polls on the R side and it will be smooth sailing for Hillary (and Bill!) to return to the White House.

I think there’s going to be a lot more whining and hand-wringing on this forum for the next several years!!

So the new definition of "Presidential" is not answering questions?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 23, 2015, 04:42:59 PM
A couple of democrats I know aren't concerned over Hillary's lack of Qualifications to be president.  They are sure her husband will be running things
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 23, 2015, 05:18:27 PM
So the new definition of "Presidential" is not answering questions?
Well, you constantly make up what other people think contrary to what they say.

why wouldn't you branch out to the dictionary to make things up.

Did you watch it at all, or not really watch it on Fox.  I heard they only let you see the parts they wanted you to.

Republicans showed that they were not just out to get Hillary, by going after Hillary.  They confirmed that it is just a partisan witch hunt.

A whole panel of republicans ripping on her and interrupting her and doing your specialty -  making up what she thinks - and she was calm and answered the questions. 

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 23, 2015, 05:30:28 PM
She's put it off for 2 yrs..she's had time to rehearse it
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 23, 2015, 05:35:11 PM
She's put it off for 2 yrs..she's had time to rehearse it


Lol republicans cried they had all.Kind of evidence.  They wanted to nail her with it all.

They had nothing but sure we're nasty.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 23, 2015, 05:40:43 PM
Awe, Poor little ms Clinton.  The republicans were nasty to her..
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 23, 2015, 07:50:35 PM
Awe, Poor little ms Clinton.  The republicans were nasty to her..
I am sure you already know I did not say she cried.  I said your republicans showed that that they had nothing but a lot of nasty hoping it would bother her.  That she stayed calm and answered the questions in the face of the sweat and outright anger thrown at her showed she was the only adult in the room, so to speak.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 23, 2015, 09:04:19 PM
Well she will make a great president then.  Best one ever I bet.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: John Kopke on October 23, 2015, 10:36:51 PM
Hundred of requests were made to increase security. All turned down. According to Hillary none of these hit her desk. It was up to state department security "professionals" to handle. Not her job. Well if I was one of these "professionals", and I was getting all these requests, at some point I would alert the boss. Further, I'm of the impression that bureaucrats don't normally don't make decisions on their own. And given the fact that people ending up dying, due to poor security, the person or persons who repeatedly denied increasing security would have some splaining to do. But has anyone been taken to task, much less fired? No.

There was an article in the Boston Globe with a headline about how nothing new came from the hearing, and I had to laugh. There was the time where it was pointed out that Hillary told Chelsea wasn't a spontaneous on the night of the attack and the next day when Hill told Egyptian prime minister not because of video. Further,proof she and the administration were lying about the video. But the article was right that this was nothing new. We knew they were lying years ago. And this lie was nothing other than a CYA political lie. Yes there is politics involved in the Bhengazi inquiry, but the worst of the political sleaze began with Hillary and the Obama administration lie about the video. That's all.   
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: SMASH on October 24, 2015, 12:01:38 AM
Hundred of requests were made to increase security. All turned down. According to Hillary none of these hit her desk. It was up to state department security "professionals" to handle. Not her job. Well if I was one of these "professionals", and I was getting all these requests, at some point I would alert the boss. Further, I'm of the impression that bureaucrats don't normally don't make decisions on their own. And given the fact that people ending up dying, due to poor security, the person or persons who repeatedly denied increasing security would have some splaining to do. But has anyone been taken to task, much less fired? No.

There was an article in the Boston Globe with a headline about how nothing new came from the hearing, and I had to laugh. There was the time where it was pointed out that Hillary told Chelsea wasn't a spontaneous on the night of the attack and the next day when Hill told Egyptian prime minister not because of video. Further,proof she and the administration were lying about the video. But the article was right that this was nothing new. We knew they were lying years ago. And this lie was nothing other than a CYA political lie. Yes there is politics involved in the Bhengazi inquiry, but the worst of the political sleaze began with Hillary and the Obama administration lie about the video. That's all.   

None of this mean anything.

The deal was cut in Chantilly, Virginia a long time ago.
It is Billarys time.
I just want to know how they are going to take out Ben Carson?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: T-M-T on October 24, 2015, 10:28:12 AM
I just want to know how they are going to take out Ben Carson?

That's easy!  Let Carson keep talking and he'll eventually do himself in.  As more people see what a whack job the guy is, he'll eventually be toast.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 24, 2015, 11:23:12 AM
Carson has to show more than what he has to more ahead of Trump.  All this is BS about Carson being ahead of Trump in the polls.   What the fine print indicated was Carson was ahead in 2 Iowa polls.  It didn't say which 2.
 Media folks are pretty slippery.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Maverick on October 24, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
That's easy!  Let Carson keep talking and he'll eventually do himself in.  As more people see what a whack job the guy is, he'll eventually be toast.
That's what everybody thought about Trump and look how that's turning out !!

It's pretty scary the candidates that we have to choose from.

Mav
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 24, 2015, 02:11:50 PM
That's easy!  Let Carson keep talking and he'll eventually do himself in.  As more people see what a whack job the guy is, he'll eventually be toast.

That's what they say about Trump - and it hasn't happened.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 24, 2015, 03:31:03 PM
Does the irony hit anyone else?

CIA boss has his private email hacked...
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/10/cia-director-hack-teen-spotlights-cyber-frailty-151024123451489.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/10/cia-director-hack-teen-spotlights-cyber-frailty-151024123451489.html)

Yet no one was worried about the Secretary of State's emails that have been shown to have sensitive material


(http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/f5d0c38/2147483647/resize/534x/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F3a%2F9e%2F74498b0c48eca0bc795d866aa227%2Fthumb-2.jpg)
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: livewire on October 24, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
That's easy!  Let Carson keep talking and he'll eventually do himself in.  As more people see what a whack job the guy is, he'll eventually be toast.

Really?

He's one of the most brilliant men alive. What makes you think he's a "whack job"?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 24, 2015, 03:45:28 PM
Interpretation:  Whack job - someone who doesn't agree with your principles 

The left probably doesn't even know he was a surgeon
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: nails on October 24, 2015, 04:45:10 PM

Does the irony hit anyone else?

CIA boss has his private email hacked...
Yet no one was worried about the Secretary of State's emails that have been shown to have sensitive material

Excellent point. 
Something I wish would be pointed out to more people who aren't thinking.

Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Monroe Native on October 24, 2015, 04:46:51 PM
Really?

He's one of the most brilliant men alive. What makes you think he's a "whack job"?

Come on Live.

He is just a mechanic that works on brains.

It's not like he is a brilliant Lawyer or something like that.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 26, 2015, 08:28:22 AM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/rep-jim-jordan-flat-out-wrong-not-bring-criminal-charges-against-lois (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/rep-jim-jordan-flat-out-wrong-not-bring-criminal-charges-against-lois)

Who's shocked that the Obama DOJ has decided to let Lois and anyone else in the IRS slide for their activities...
Apparently Inspector Generals don't count anymore... so Hillary's free pass will be in the mail soon
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: excelsior on October 26, 2015, 02:27:45 PM
[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/rep-jim-jordan-flat-out-wrong-not-bring-criminal-charges-against-lois[/url] ([url]http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/rep-jim-jordan-flat-out-wrong-not-bring-criminal-charges-against-lois[/url])

Who's shocked that the Obama DOJ has decided to let Lois and anyone else in the IRS slide for their activities...
Apparently Inspector Generals don't count anymore... so Hillary's free pass will be in the mail soon



The DOJ investigation has been a joke from the beginning.


I guess we now know what Lerner's “special project team” was up to.   I wonder how the DOJ can be performing an investigation into Lerner when the DOJ illegally took 1.25 million pages of taxpayer information from Lerner's team.

New Documents Show Extensive Collaboration Between IRS, DOJ to Criminally Prosecute Conservative Groups

Last year emails revealed former IRS official Lois Lerner was in contact with the Department of Justice Criminal Division about criminally prosecuting conservative tea party groups for pursuing political activity (opposed to President Obama's agenda) by "posing" as non-profit organizations.

Now, new documents obtained by government watchdog Judicial Watch through two different Freedom of Information Act lawsuits show extensive collaboration between the IRS and DOJ (and subsequently the FBI) to go after conservative groups with criminal charges. The IRS likely violated federal law by illegally sharing 1.25 million pages of taxpayer information with DOJ, which were contained on nearly two dozen FBI backup tapes.

more at:  [url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/07/07/reconfirmed-irs-tried-to-get-conservative-groups-criminally-prosecuted-illegally-shared-info-with-doj-n2022245[/url] ([url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/07/07/reconfirmed-irs-tried-to-get-conservative-groups-criminally-prosecuted-illegally-shared-info-with-doj-n2022245[/url])
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: blue2 on October 26, 2015, 05:02:06 PM
I think to aggressive of an investigation into Lois and the IRS would tie it all back to Obama. 
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Professor H on October 26, 2015, 05:21:47 PM
I think to aggressive of an investigation into Lois and the IRS would tie it all back to Obama. 
Gee - Ya think...   why else did DOJ  kill it - they are still under Obama/Holder mode,  if you don't like the law it's okay to ignore it.
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: Tim Heiss on October 26, 2015, 06:01:17 PM
Gee - Ya think...   why else did DOJ  kill it - they are still under Obama/Holder mode,  if you don't like the law it's okay to ignore it.
You mean like torturing prisoners for information?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 26, 2015, 07:03:24 PM
Gee - Ya think...   why else did DOJ  kill it - they are still under Obama/Holder mode,  if you don't like the law it's okay to ignore it.

Or making up complete lies to start a war?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: ducksoup on October 26, 2015, 07:04:29 PM
Gee - Ya think...   why else did DOJ  kill it - they are still under Obama/Holder mode,  if you don't like the law it's okay to ignore it.

Oh, like starting secret and illegal programs to spy on Americans?
Title: Re: How democrats get around those pesky email rules...
Post by: sammy on October 26, 2015, 07:08:32 PM