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Title: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on March 16, 2017, 06:48:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/notes/wendy-silverwood/hypocrisy-in-spartan-nation/1284233784972409 (https://www.facebook.com/notes/wendy-silverwood/hypocrisy-in-spartan-nation/1284233784972409)

Interesting read - compiled from various sources and made to look rather damning against the President of MSU and the various people in the Athletic office

I guess because it was girls and gymnastics it doesn't garner the media attention that boys and football got at Penn State?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 17, 2017, 11:40:16 AM
Penn State revisited.  Here it comes........
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 17, 2017, 02:35:00 PM
Not exactly like Penn State.  Jerry was molesting minors......  In the MSU case the school just provided a DR that molested their athletes - which I assume were not minors, but still not good or right.

 8*

It is a LITTLE different then the Penn State affair.

Still very very sick.  Not sure why some feel comfortable being around sexual predators.

They make my skin crawl.....
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 17, 2017, 03:54:27 PM
But I think it's safe to say leaders at MSU were aware and choose to ignore. They didn't want to ruin their reputation..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 17, 2017, 04:09:58 PM
But I think it's safe to say leaders at MSU were aware and choose to ignore. They didn't want to ruin their reputation..

Can someone explain to me how turning in a sexual predator ruins the reputation of the person or institution that turns them in?

I think it is VERY clear that harboring or hiding a sexual predator is where you get in trouble.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 17, 2017, 04:54:26 PM
Not exactly like Penn State.  Jerry was molesting minors......  In the MSU case the school just provided a DR that molested their athletes - which I assume were not minors, but still not good or right.

 8*

It is a LITTLE different then the Penn State affair.

Still very very sick.  Not sure why some feel comfortable being around sexual predators.

They make my skin crawl.....

I agree.  This clown is getting a stinky pinky at the expense of his female patients...for a long time and gets away with it.  Amazing.  The parallel is at Penn State, it was gotten away with for a long time too.

Like I said..  Here it comes..  Ain't gonna be purty either.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 17, 2017, 04:58:36 PM
I haven't read much about this.  But yeah you're right about "here it comes" if some of these girls complained to someone at MSU..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 17, 2017, 07:45:47 PM
Reading the article gives you a pretty good idea of what a predator this guy is.  Pretty perverted stuff.  He obviously had a penchant for putting his finger where it didn't belong, under the guise of medical treatment....
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 17, 2017, 09:30:22 PM
The Spartans have so many dumpster fires going right now that the students could light up a couch and no one would notice.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 17, 2017, 09:54:58 PM
They might not be burning many tonight. The BB team getting ng thumped
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 17, 2017, 11:05:41 PM
Sparty had big turnaround
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on March 18, 2017, 09:59:55 AM
What I found very disturbing from reading the article - their investigation must not have believed the student athlete  (Title IX even)

Sad that the Title IX investigation in 2014  didn't know what was proper medical treatment - Protect, Hide, Defend...   same mentality that got PSU in trouble. 

So do you want your student going to a school that doesn't even know proper medical guidelines?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 18, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Even a moron knows that treating a back issue don't include inserting your finger in a girls honey hole and massaging her boobs.

Really surprised it went on as long as it did and the fact that the school administration is in denial.  Dr. No needs a room with a cot and 3 hots and a lock on the door.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 18, 2017, 03:12:33 PM
And I suppose none of the girls told anyone
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: The Fuzz on March 19, 2017, 07:51:34 AM
Even a moron knows that treating a back issue don't include inserting your finger in a girls honey hole and massaging her boobs.

Well hell, I guess I'm not even at a moron level!  I've tried to sell those actions as the cure for the common cold.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 19, 2017, 07:55:56 AM
Well hell, I guess I'm not even at a moron level!  I've tried to sell those actions as the cure for the common cold.

They aren't?

 ;D
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 19, 2017, 02:09:28 PM
Well hell, I guess I'm not even at a moron level!  I've tried to sell those actions as the cure for the common cold.

Taking a gals temperature is either inserting in the mouth, under the arm on in the butt....  Not in the vagina...lol

Worth a shot however... ;D

Reminds me of the 4 greatest lies.....l,ol
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on March 19, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
Hiding files -  Oh...    then playing the hero for returning them??

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2017/03/17/msu-doctor-resigned-after-removing-nassar-patient-files/99316854/ (http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2017/03/17/msu-doctor-resigned-after-removing-nassar-patient-files/99316854/)

BTW that "doctor" is the one who agreed that the stinky finger method was okay at MSU... 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 19, 2017, 08:14:11 PM
The Spartans game today was another Dumpster fire!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 19, 2017, 08:50:42 PM
I'm the furthest thing from a Sparty fan but from the Big Ten standpoint I wish they would have won.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on March 20, 2017, 11:03:46 AM
The Spartans game today was another Dumpster fire!
My son commented  "they gave up"...   

Sad commentary on the program as they were still in the game up til the last few minutes

Apparently the NCAA hasn't decided it's important enough to step in yet
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 20, 2017, 01:41:54 PM
Hiding files -  Oh...    then playing the hero for returning them??

[url]http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2017/03/17/msu-doctor-resigned-after-removing-nassar-patient-files/99316854/[/url] ([url]http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2017/03/17/msu-doctor-resigned-after-removing-nassar-patient-files/99316854/[/url])

BTW that "doctor" is the one who agreed that the stinky finger method was okay at MSU...


Maybe Nasser was examining her as well.  He obviously has a very adept finger....  He belongs in Jackson in a condo with bars.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 20, 2017, 07:24:38 PM
My son commented  "they gave up"...   

Sad commentary on the program as they were still in the game up til the last few minutes

Apparently the NCAA hasn't decided it's important enough to step in yet

They definitely quit at some point.

I would agree with your son on that.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 20, 2017, 08:57:12 PM
The NCAA only goes after more serious problems. Like the time they busted Michigan football program because they exceeded the time allowed to practice each day by stretching to long..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on January 26, 2018, 12:01:02 PM
moved from the "russia Thread  :)

You'd a though they would have learned something from what Penn St did.
I don't think Penn State went on from 1997 - 2014.

I don't think Penn State was having their athletes molested - while multiple coaches, athletic trainers, and doctors looked the other way.

I think Michigan States makes Penn State look like....  child's play?

Cost PSU 2.3 million -  to set an example 

Wonder how much it will cost MSU!   They dropped the ball so many times

Clery act   Title IX is nothing to sneeze at!   

I see more heads are rolling - the entire gymnastics board for olympics,  more at MSU including AD and President.   
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: The Fuzz on January 26, 2018, 12:32:47 PM
I think when they put together the timeline on who knew what and when is going to line up the firings.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 26, 2018, 02:51:53 PM
Not exactly like Penn State. Jerry was molesting minors......  In the MSU case the school just provided a DR that molested their athletes - which I assume were not minors, but still not good or right.

 8*

It is a LITTLE different then the Penn State affair.

Still very very sick.  Not sure why some feel comfortable being around sexual predators.

They make my skin crawl.....

One of his earliest victims was the 'girl next door'...

she was 6 years old!!!

The girls on the Olympic teams were as young as 9-10-11-12 and many of them have said they were assaulted at that age!

Apparently he liked minors too.

Some of the child porn they found on his computer was of a girl that appeared to be around 6 years old.

Just saw an article earlier that they found a Go-Pro camera that he used to record some of his assaults.  Maybe that was the one that had the 6 year old on it.  I'll look for the article.
Title: a culture of sexual assault inside the men’s basketball and football programs
Post by: BigRedDog on January 26, 2018, 02:58:29 PM
I think when they put together the timeline on who knew what and when is going to line up the firings.

Looks like some pretty big names are starting to be scrutinized for the overall 'atmosphere' in MSU athletics!!!  This could end up making Penn State look like a bunch of amateurs by comparison!

Quote
1. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

2. Mark Dantonio, Tom Izzo, meet Art Briles.


https://twitter.com/OTLonESPN/status/956954322289528833

All of the above from a tweet at:

https://twitter.com/RLenziCMG/status/956974818263527425
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 26, 2018, 04:48:57 PM
perhaps it's fake news but some accounts saying Izzo and Dantanio and the track coach knew what was going on.  If so MSU won't have an athletic program
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 26, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Sounds like MSU has a very expensive legal team...

almost $5M so far and the lawsuits haven't even started yet.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/msus-nassar-legal-bills-approach-5-million (https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/msus-nassar-legal-bills-approach-5-million)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 26, 2018, 06:44:07 PM
It would be nice if the Governor blocks MSU from using taxpayer funds to pay legal fees and law suits. Make them use the millions in the athletic endowment funds..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 26, 2018, 10:07:34 PM
It would be nice if the Governor blocks MSU from using taxpayer funds to pay legal fees and law suits. Make them use the millions in the athletic endowment funds..

Never happen.  Snidley is too dam dumb.  Besides, it's not his money and he's a lame duck anyway.

This is what I see going down..

The entire board of MSU is liable for prosecution because they all knew something was not kosher and conveniently decided to ignore it.  That makes all with knowledge complicit in the investigation and criminally liable as well.

This will make Penn State and the millions PS has paid out seem like a walk in the park.

Finally, I think a lot of heads are going to roll and a whole lot of people who think they are in the clear are going to get pinched.

Not just at MSU but at USA Gymnastics as well.

Talk about a serial molester, Nassar is the king.  This has been going on for years, not a just happened scenario.  He's a monster that really needs to be eliminated.

What a stain on the State of Michigan.

My personal feeling is he'll kill himself at some point.  No way he'll survive in the joint unless in solitary confinement.  In general population, he's dog meat.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 27, 2018, 09:19:02 AM
perhaps it's fake news but some accounts saying Izzo and Dantanio and the track coach knew what was going on.  If so MSU won't have an athletic program

I see Dantonio and Izzo are both playing defense!!!

The ones I've seen are saying that D & I both contributed to the 'overall atmosphere of sexual abuse' at MSU. 

When MSU starts to settle the inevitable lawsuits they may need both their salaries to come up with the $$$!

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 27, 2018, 09:26:56 AM
This is kind of a long article but it tells how he managed to avoid prosecution multiple times even though LE investigations all showed something 'questionable' going on. 

Can any of these prosecutors be held accountable for what now appears to be bad decisions?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/26/larry-nassar-michigan-state-university-investigation/1069151001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/26/larry-nassar-michigan-state-university-investigation/1069151001/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 27, 2018, 09:55:56 AM
it's amazing to me that 150 females that were molested by this guy never got the attention of their parent to where they started questioning the authorities at MSU or the olympic comm..  I guess it shows how much power the guy had.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 27, 2018, 10:44:31 AM
it's amazing to me that 150 females that were molested by this guy never got the attention of their parent to where they started questioning the authorities at MSU or the olympic comm..  I guess it shows how much power the guy had.

Several of them did report it.  Read the article I just posted about how numerous prosecutors declined to prosecute him on the basis that he was a doctor and this was just a medical procedure!

At this point (I won't be surprised if more victims continue to come forward and some may be even earlier) what appears to be his first victim was a 6 yr old girl that was the daughter of his next door neighbor.  She complained to her parents and they confronted Nassar and he denied the allegations and somehow talked his way out of it.  Had the parents believed their daughter and gone to LE maybe none of these other assaults would have happened :-\ :-\ :-\

The father ultimately committed suicide!!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on January 27, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
It sounds like MSU is going to have their hands full.

I wonder if the NCAA will expand this investigation to a total disregard for student safety.

They have a DR that molests their gymnasts - response is nothing less than a joke.

Sexual Assaults by the Basketball and Football teams - response was also kind of a joke for a long time.

This could be a university issue - not just an isolated Doctor.

I'm sure Tea Party Patriot - the stalwart MSU slappy - will have input for us on how great things are?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 27, 2018, 11:41:14 AM
When your athletic program continually recruits thugs it's nothing but problems.  Yeah every school has a few once in awhile but sparty seems to always be loaded with them.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 27, 2018, 12:00:23 PM
Talk about a grand cover up and sweep it under the rug fiasco, here it is.  Like I said, lots of heads will roll.  I can see MSU's athletic program going down the tubes, maybe forever.

I have to wonder just where else this stuff is going on and being swept under the rug.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 27, 2018, 12:17:12 PM
It's one reason that most if not all universities have their own police.  They don't want anything going public. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 27, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
I find it very hard to wrap my mind around the sheer number of young ladies that were violated by this monster and the time frame of the whole fiasco...and it is a fiasco, perpetrated by the University (and USA Gymnastics) and their total disregard for the voices of those who were sexually violated.

None of this will end pretty.  Sure, Nassar will be put away (and most likely commit suicide), but the implications are so fat teaching and the litigation and law suits will be ongoing for decades as well as the financial expense.

Now, most all the victims will want a financial slice of the pie, I don't blame them but I foresee the financial expense (and the grubbing attorneys sucking on the teat) to make Penn State pale in comparison.

The sad thing is, MSU is a leader in agricultural research.  I'd hate to see that go down the toilet but it could.  Only do much financial cushion and the University goes bankrupt.   All because people in charge chose to ignore what was transpiring. 

It's utterly amazing to me.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 27, 2018, 12:35:55 PM
I know Fuzz is a dirty old man (so am I actually), but compared to Nassar everybody else is a rank amateur.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 27, 2018, 01:30:47 PM
I know Fuzz is a dirty old man (so am I actually), but compared to Nassar everybody else is a rank amateur.

Yeah, but I think the difference is we just look and dream!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on January 27, 2018, 02:05:36 PM
It sounds like MSU is going to have their hands full.

I wonder if the NCAA will expand this investigation to a total disregard for student safety.

They have a DR that molests their gymnasts - response is nothing less than a joke.

Sexual Assaults by the Basketball and Football teams - response was also kind of a joke for a long time.

This could be a university issue - not just an isolated Doctor.

I'm sure Tea Party Patriot - the stalwart MSU slappy - will have input for us on how great things are?

Except the NCAA President had been warned back in 2010...  so his job is on the line from this saga as well
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 27, 2018, 02:15:35 PM
Emeritt the NCAA president was to busy monitoring the Michigan football program that had just been put on probation for 3 years because Rich Rod had players staying beyond allowed practice time stretching
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 27, 2018, 03:51:51 PM
I believe out of work professionals in the academic field are going to spike in Ingham County pretty quick.  I'm not sure anyone can escape the wrath... and then we got the strength coach who killed the 2 on 23 while texting.  I see he got bound over to a higher court.

His attorney claims his texting wasn't contributory.  I see Caulkins disagrees with that (and so do I).  He's going down too.  The MSU bad press isn't helping him at all.  Isn't vehicular homicide a felony?  He's out on 250K bond.  I would have locked his sorry arse up with no bail.  78 mph in a 45 construction zone and assured clear distance resulting in a multiple fatality.  He's done and just like Nassar, he should be.

Going to be a whole bunch of accountability in 2018 and beyond.

Sad state of affairs in East Lansing.

Makes me wonder if CL and I should keep our membership to the University Club.  The food is excellent as is the service but I shudder to think I have dined with those people in the past.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 27, 2018, 09:12:48 PM
Look for the president of the NCAA get railed out too. When he took over he was told about 37 instances of sexual abuse and apparently didn't follow up
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on January 27, 2018, 09:20:47 PM
I guess Schuette doesn't want any Spartan votes.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 28, 2018, 09:09:34 AM
I guess Schuette doesn't want any Spartan votes.

Schuette is now pushing for MSU to quit fighting any lawsuits and set up a victim's fund of several hundred million $$$.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 28, 2018, 10:46:19 AM
And where are they going to get several hundred millions dollars?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on January 28, 2018, 10:47:08 AM
Schuette is now pushing for MSU to quit fighting any lawsuits and set up a victim's fund of several hundred million $$$.

That would seem like a logical move to me.

Maybe admit some responsibility for your actions?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 28, 2018, 11:18:18 AM
That would seem like a logical move to me.

Maybe admit some responsibility for your actions?

All the $$$ they've already spent on high profile attorneys would have gone a long way toward funding the payouts!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 28, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
This gal was from Rossford Ohio...   that's about the closest I've found so far!

http://www.wtol.com/story/37353394/survivor-rossford-gymnast-shares-story-of-abuse-at-the-hands-of-a-monster (http://www.wtol.com/story/37353394/survivor-rossford-gymnast-shares-story-of-abuse-at-the-hands-of-a-monster)

Here's somewhat of a timeline of Nassar's life.  At one time he actually worked with the Wolverine football team.  I wonder if he tried any of his 'pinky' treatments with any of the linemen ;D ;D ;D

http://interactives.indystar.com/news/standing/OutofBalance/NassarTimeline/LSJ.html (http://interactives.indystar.com/news/standing/OutofBalance/NassarTimeline/LSJ.html)

Rachael Denhollander is the gal that really kept the movement going.  She was also one of his early victims but she eventually became an attorney!

https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/rachael-denhollander-5-fast-facts-you-need-to-know/ (https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/rachael-denhollander-5-fast-facts-you-need-to-know/)



Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 28, 2018, 03:03:25 PM
And where are they going to get several hundred millions dollars?

From the taxpayers of course.  Isn't MSU a state funded university?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 28, 2018, 03:04:47 PM
Schuette is now pushing for MSU to quit fighting any lawsuits and set up a victim's fund of several hundred million $$$.

I think sever hundred million won't cover it.  Might be a nice down payment though.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on January 28, 2018, 03:21:22 PM
And where are they going to get several hundred millions dollars?

Donors who just want it to go away, and keep the Football and Basketball trains rolling.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 28, 2018, 04:19:44 PM
Sparty has about $3 billion in endowments.  Money I assume their supporters contributed.  That's the money they should be made to use to pay for their settlements. Not taxpayers money..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on January 28, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
Sparty has about $3 billion in endowments.  Money I assume their supporters contributed.  That's the money they should be made to use to pay for their settlements. Not taxpayers money..

That should about cover it.....
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 28, 2018, 07:37:38 PM
Schuette is now pushing for MSU to quit fighting any lawsuits and set up a victim's fund of several hundred million $$$.


I forgot to post the link to the news article:

http://www.ourmidland.com/news/education/article/Michigan-St-AD-retires-Dantonio-defends-himself-12529855.php#photo-14952237 (http://www.ourmidland.com/news/education/article/Michigan-St-AD-retires-Dantonio-defends-himself-12529855.php#photo-14952237)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 28, 2018, 07:49:45 PM
Keep the lawyers out of it. Otherwise they will end up with more than the victims
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 28, 2018, 08:21:38 PM
Keep the lawyers out of it. Otherwise they will end up with more than the victims

Ain't that the truth.  The ones who monetarily benefit are the lawyers, not the victims.  Why Lawyers drive Beemers and victims drive Fords.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on January 28, 2018, 10:41:00 PM
Sparty has about $3 billion in endowments.  Money I assume their supporters contributed.  That's the money they should be made to use to pay for their settlements. Not taxpayers money..

LOL  I can see the pledge drive now... 

Will you donate to the MSU sexual abuse fund so we can keep Izzo and D'antonio in place! 

I'm guessing our resident sparty will be the first to donate his parlay bet winnings  :) 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 29, 2018, 08:58:48 AM
Donate (Pledge)...NO
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 29, 2018, 10:40:01 AM
A couple of articles from MLive this morning!

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/01/how_the_darkest_week_in_michig.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries (http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/01/how_the_darkest_week_in_michig.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries)


http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/why_nassar_got_away_with_it_fo.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/why_nassar_got_away_with_it_fo.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 29, 2018, 05:04:05 PM
Sounds to me like Dantonio and Izzo both are on the bubble too.  Hopefully for MSU sports that bubble don't burst but it very well could.

20 years of getting a stinky pinky.  Amazing.  What I find more amazing is that everyone seems to have no idea it was going on.  I find that extremely hard to swallow.

I give Nassar 6 months maximum and he'll be gone by his own hand (or pinky), whatever it takes.

Good articles BRD, thanks.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 30, 2018, 08:39:05 AM
Sounds to me like Dantonio and Izzo both are on the bubble too.  Hopefully for MSU sports that bubble don't burst but it very well could.

20 years of getting a stinky pinky.  Amazing.  What I find more amazing is that everyone seems to have no idea it was going on.  I find that extremely hard to swallow.

I give Nassar 6 months maximum and he'll be gone by his own hand (or pinky), whatever it takes.

Good articles BRD, thanks.
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Mlive has done a pretty good job reporting on Nassar once it all came to light.

It was the IndyStar in Indianapolis that initially broke the story though.

Here are some comments from one of Nassar's colleagues:

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/nassars_treatments_were_clearl.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/nassars_treatments_were_clearl.html#incart_river_home)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 30, 2018, 08:59:01 AM
Lots of digging going on...

looks like there is going to be more than enough 'blame' to spread over the last 25 years!

Quote
Baker soon was tangling with then-football coach George Perles, as well as with the Board of Trustees, principally influential Joel Ferguson, a longtime member with particular passion for the university’s athletic department.

Baker left in 1995, two years before her contract was to expire, pushed away by then-president M. Peter McPherson.

Two years later, the first reports about Nassar’s crimes are believed to have started.


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/29/baker-msu-cultural-problem/109929212/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/29/baker-msu-cultural-problem/109929212/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 30, 2018, 10:25:27 AM
Once the 'diggers' get done shoveling.  I wager almost everyone in the MSU athletics program will be gone and many will be prosecuted for contributory negligence.  I think that will include Izzo and D'Antionio as well.

Lot is 'straight faced' lying going on right now and hoping the 'fire and fury' don't engulf them.

This fiasco hasn't been going on since the late 90's without no one knowing about it.  I believe it was the 'old turn your head and ignore it' syndrome because the honor of the institution and personal honor was involved, but that is all by the wayside now.

Sure, old 'stinky pinky' is going down but all those with knowledge that 'turned the other cheek' are going down too.

I never see any mention of Nassar's family at all.  Find that interesting too.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 30, 2018, 10:27:13 AM
Wonder how fair the investigation will be.
 MSU's independent investigator Will Forsyth had a retirement party....
paid for by MSU donor Peter Secchia. A story in the Free Press  says Secchia and Meijer were the lead sponsors of a dinner and roast for William Forsyth.
State Attorney General Bill Schuette named Forsyth the lead, independent investigator into the case at Michigan State and how they handled Nassar.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/01/30/spartan-booster-peter-secchi (https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/01/30/spartan-booster-peter-secchi)
That humming sound you hear are the shredders hard at work in East Lansing..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 30, 2018, 10:31:03 AM
My opinion of Schutte is just that.  Shittey.  He's a political weasel and always has been.  He's only dog in the game is he wants to be governor and if I have anything to say about it (my vote), he won't be.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 30, 2018, 11:03:54 AM
Once the 'diggers' get done shoveling.  I wager almost everyone in the MSU athletics program will be gone and many will be prosecuted for contributory negligence.  I think that will include Izzo and D'Antionio as well.

Lot is 'straight faced' lying going on right now and hoping the 'fire and fury' don't engulf them.

This fiasco hasn't been going on since the late 90's without no one knowing about it.  I believe it was the 'old turn your head and ignore it' syndrome because the honor of the institution and personal honor was involved, but that is all by the wayside now.

Sure, old 'stinky pinky' is going down but all those with knowledge that 'turned the other cheek' are going down too.

I never see any mention of Nassar's family at all.
  Find that interesting too.

His wife filed for divorce and sole custody of their (seems like) 3 young children as soon as he was first charged.  I doubt she had much idea what was going on at work as I doubt that is the kind of 'work talk' you come home and have with your wife!

He did go to high school here in Michigan but I couldn't find much other info on his early life.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 30, 2018, 12:54:51 PM
I know where he lived in Holt.  I would have thought after he fiddled with his next door neighbor's daughter and her dad committed suicide that his wife would have been curious at least.

This guy fiddled with every girl he could.  Obviously a consuming perverted passion.

Not one comment from the resident Sparton cheerleader either.  Kind of surprises me.  He's usually running his cakehole.  Guess not this time.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 31, 2018, 07:12:53 AM
The victims are not happy with the appointment of Engler...

just another page in the same ongoing book during all the investigations to follow!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/nassars_first_public_accuser_b.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/nassars_first_public_accuser_b.html#incart_river_home)

MSU faculty not real happy with Engler either!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/michigan_state_faculty_vow_to.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/michigan_state_faculty_vow_to.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries)

MSU trustee to hold public forum!

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/01/michigan_state_trustee_to_host.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/01/michigan_state_trustee_to_host.html#incart_river_home)


I wonder if they'll go back and take a closer look at this coach again?

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/police_investigated_msu_coach.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/police_investigated_msu_coach.html#incart_river_home)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 31, 2018, 09:22:17 AM
The saga continues with the intertwining of political crony's...

I agree, Engler is a pizz poor fit.

Randy Richardville even, would have been better...lol
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 31, 2018, 09:45:25 AM
You hire business people to solve problems and hire politicians to spin it..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 31, 2018, 01:44:38 PM
You hire business people to solve problems and hire politicians to spin it..

If no one has done or is doing anything wrong then there's no need for any 'spin'.

Engler equals status quo and that is just what they need to be avoiding right now!!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 31, 2018, 04:51:07 PM
This behavior has to lead the nation..

Mark Dantonio established a long time ago that he more or less doesn't care if you, football player, do something bad. Delton Williams pulled a gun in a road rage incident and served jail time. He was immediately reinstated. MacGarrett Kings was arrested for "super drunk" DUI and got a zero game suspension. MacGarrett Kings was arrested for kicking a parking enforcement truck and resisting arrest, still got a zero game suspension. Glenn Winston broke a hockey player's jaw with a sucker punch, served six months in jail, and was immediately reinstated. LJ Scott was arrested seven times for driving on a suspended license without reaction. Auston Robertson was admitted as a recruit after multiple high school assaults, one sexual, and proceeded to commit a sexual assault while in college. He didn't so much leave the team as go on the lam.  Chris L Rucker was jailed for eight days during the 2010 season after a DUI violated his probation and played the weekend after his release.

And, of course, there was that probation. Rucker was on probation because even the Ingham County prosecutor's office—about which more in a second—couldn't make surveillance tape from a dorm brawl go away. That brawl was spearheaded by one Glenn Winston:
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on January 31, 2018, 06:10:01 PM
Interesting to read about students doing sit ins...   of course being led by Democrats
http://statenews.com/article/2018/01/student-sit-in (http://statenews.com/article/2018/01/student-sit-in)


meanwhile police look pretty bad - and I'm not even sure where the title IX people were! 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/police-investigated-larry-nassar-for-abuse-13-years-ago-heres-how-he-got-away/2018/01/31/9ea865bc-06c4-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.5eda2a0c5abd (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/police-investigated-larry-nassar-for-abuse-13-years-ago-heres-how-he-got-away/2018/01/31/9ea865bc-06c4-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.5eda2a0c5abd)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 31, 2018, 06:41:20 PM
During another sentencing hearing today (different county) the judge revealed that a total of 265 victims have come forward.

I wonder how many more there are that are still remaining silent?

This is interesting...   

the article itself uses the figure of 256 while the link has the number as 265. 

I guess when you get that high give or take 9 victims isn't critical.

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2018/01/31/judge-265-have-come-forward-larry-nassar-victims/1082707001/ (https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2018/01/31/judge-265-have-come-forward-larry-nassar-victims/1082707001/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on January 31, 2018, 06:48:12 PM
This gal filed a police report with Meridian Township Police when she was 17.  It sounds like the pretty much stopped their investigation based on Nassar's statement that he was only doing necessary medical procedures.

Very interesting that the township has paid for her plane ticket from the west coast to be present for the sentencing.

I didn't realize townships had a line item in their budget for that :-\ :-\ :-\

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/nassar_2004_police_report_rele.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/nassar_2004_police_report_rele.html#incart_river_home)

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 31, 2018, 06:58:51 PM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you’d think somewhere along the way someone would have sought out another doctor for a different opinion
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2018, 09:15:07 AM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you’d think somewhere along the way someone would have sought out another doctor for a different opinion

I'm guessing that some of these municipalities may end up paying very dearly for that 'oversight' down the road.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 01, 2018, 09:29:48 AM
Meridian Township will apologize today!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/01/meridian-twp-police-department-apologize-nassar-victim/1085832001/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/01/meridian-twp-police-department-apologize-nassar-victim/1085832001/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 01, 2018, 10:31:01 AM
Yep, Engler is the right guy...
"People are now taking a closer look at John Engler's record after his appointment as MSU interim president. Only took 24 hours to have it start blowing up in their face. It is being reported that Engler fought and dismissed the investigation of rape and assault of female inmates in Michigan prisons by guards. The women ended up winning lawsuits against the State of Michigan after years of stonewalling. Sounds like the perfect person to lead MSU now. The incompetence of their trustees shows no limits."

http://www.bridgemi.com/public-sector/msu-interim-president-john-engler-was-dismissive-sexual-assault-claims-governor (http://www.bridgemi.com/public-sector/msu-interim-president-john-engler-was-dismissive-sexual-assault-claims-governor)

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20090716/FREE/907169994/michigan-settles-prison-sexual-abuse-suit-for-100m (http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20090716/FREE/907169994/michigan-settles-prison-sexual-abuse-suit-for-100m)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 01, 2018, 07:59:26 PM
This gal filed a police report with Meridian Township Police when she was 17.  It sounds like the pretty much stopped their investigation based on Nassar's statement that he was only doing necessary medical procedures.

Very interesting that the township has paid for her plane ticket from the west coast to be present for the sentencing.

I didn't realize townships had a line item in their budget for that :-\ :-\ :-\

[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/nassar_2004_police_report_rele.html#incart_river_home[/url] ([url]http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/nassar_2004_police_report_rele.html#incart_river_home[/url])


Hope it was coach and not First Class.... ;D

It appears to me that everyone is on a huge guilt trip...at least everyone that should have been paying attention that wasn't.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 01, 2018, 08:03:13 PM
Yep, Engler is the right guy...
"People are now taking a closer look at John Engler's record after his appointment as MSU interim president. Only took 24 hours to have it start blowing up in their face. It is being reported that Engler fought and dismissed the investigation of rape and assault of female inmates in Michigan prisons by guards. The women ended up winning lawsuits against the State of Michigan after years of stonewalling. Sounds like the perfect person to lead MSU now. The incompetence of their trustees shows no limits."

[url]http://www.bridgemi.com/public-sector/msu-interim-president-john-engler-was-dismissive-sexual-assault-claims-governor[/url] ([url]http://www.bridgemi.com/public-sector/msu-interim-president-john-engler-was-dismissive-sexual-assault-claims-governor[/url])

[url]http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20090716/FREE/907169994/michigan-settles-prison-sexual-abuse-suit-for-100m[/url] ([url]http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20090716/FREE/907169994/michigan-settles-prison-sexual-abuse-suit-for-100m[/url])


Engler is the wrong guy for a lot of reasons besides his past record.  It's still all about cronyism.  You cannot affect meaningful change when your oversight involves the 'good old boy' mentality.  Snyder and the board of trustees should be ashamed of themselves.

No matter what they do, it's all going to get very expensive and many more heads will roll.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 01, 2018, 08:08:49 PM
I bet things are hopping at the courthouse in Charlotte.  Been by it many times.  Sits on the west side of M50 in town.  Very stately brick building.

They (authorities) just keep piling on the time in the joint.  Don't see why actually.  He's garnered enough joint time already to outlast his lifetime, which, in my opinion, will be at most a year but probably less at the hands of a bedsheet and a top bunk rung.

I guess it's all the healing process at the taxpayers expense.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 02, 2018, 09:44:57 AM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you’d think somewhere along the way someone would have sought out another doctor for a different opinion
I laughed when it says he showed them a powerpoint showing that apparently another doctor thought that was a normal procedure...   I can only imagine the digital exploration will be his reward in Prison as they claim its normal there as well!  :o
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 02, 2018, 09:49:27 AM
Engler is the wrong guy for a lot of reasons besides his past record.  It's still all about cronyism.  You cannot affect meaningful change when your oversight involves the 'good old boy' mentality.  Snyder and the board of trustees should be ashamed of themselves.

No matter what they do, it's all going to get very expensive and many more heads will roll.

I wouldn't classify a conservative in charge of a Liberal institution - as good ole boy or same ole same ole...!

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 02, 2018, 10:21:47 AM
Engler just needs to run the university and let someone else take care of the wrong doing..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 02, 2018, 04:02:44 PM
I laughed when it says he showed them a powerpoint showing that apparently another doctor thought that was a normal procedure...   I can only imagine the digital exploration will be his reward in Prison as they claim its normal there as well!  :o

I think it will be something other than 'digital exploration' in the joint.  Will be a 'powerpoint' thing for sure...
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 02, 2018, 05:11:47 PM
Three cheers for the Dad of three of Nassar's young victims.  He decided that since the judge wouldn't give him 5 minutes or even one minute alone with Nassar he'd just take what he could get.  He didn't get much but he got everyone in the courtroom on their toes again.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/distraught_father_lunges_at_la.html#incart_big-photo (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/distraught_father_lunges_at_la.html#incart_big-photo)

Ultimately the same judge freed him with no charges!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/father_who_assaulted_larry_nas.html#incart_river_home_pop (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/father_who_assaulted_larry_nas.html#incart_river_home_pop)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 03, 2018, 08:59:17 AM
I've been watching the response in the 'twitter world' to the dad that went after Nassar.  All of the following hash tags came into play but this one seems to be the most popular:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/givehim1minute?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash


 #hero #reallifehero #givehimhis5minutes #GiveHimAMinute #GiveHim1Minute #givehimhis5minutes #legend #LarryNassar #BurnInHell
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 03, 2018, 09:16:00 AM
Dad of 3 victims puts things in perspective:

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/02/02/dad-who-rushed-nassar-am-no-hero-my-daughters-heroes/301866002/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/02/02/dad-who-rushed-nassar-am-no-hero-my-daughters-heroes/301866002/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

In the 2 hour or so period that the dad was out of the courtroom a co-worker managed to set up a gofundme account with the hope of raising $1,000 for his bail...   I imagine many assumed he would be charged.

Not only did he not get charged but the gofundme account had raised over $8K within just a few hours!!!


Advertisers are taking things slow but they are watching what is going on at MSU athletics!

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/02/michigan_state_athletic_sponso.html#incart_river_home_pop (http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/02/michigan_state_athletic_sponso.html#incart_river_home_pop)

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: FritzTheKat on February 03, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
Try running for re-election if you prosecuted him...
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 03, 2018, 10:29:56 AM
Try running for re-election if you prosecuted him...

Excellent point.


I saw an updated article this morning that says the gofundme account had collected $16k.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on February 03, 2018, 11:53:13 AM
Try running for re-election if you prosecuted him...

Try finding a Jury that would vote to convict him....
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 03, 2018, 02:43:43 PM
How much did Penn State have to put up to make it go away?   

220 million or more per this story
I see lawyers soaked up 33 million! 

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/04/who_got_paid_in_the_jerry_sand.html (http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/04/who_got_paid_in_the_jerry_sand.html)

Curious if this will surpass that amount - many more victims and Title IX likes to make a statement
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 03, 2018, 06:51:39 PM
Said before and will say again, Penn State is a 'walk in the park' compared to what MSU will ultimately pay out.  Not just MSU but Twistars and USA Gymnastics.  All on the hook for mega bucks.

I see Nichols knows Malgrave from school.  I also read he was going to get in contact with him.  If I was him (Malgrave), I'd have done the same thing.  Actually, I'm kind of surprised it didn't happen before.

I read the Judge declined to do anything to him other than admonish him for his actions, but I also read they were forwarding a report to the Eaton County Prosecutor.

I still don't think Engler is a good fit for interem president but then I never liked Engler anyway.  Just another stinky politician in my view.

Should have appointed Randy Richardville to that position.  The VO5 kid would have done a bang up job of doing nothing.

Wonder when it nips Izzo and D'Antonio.  I have a feeling they are complicit in it as well.

The saga continues.  Next will be the appeal by Nassar.  Got to love the legal system.  Only ones that really benefit are the attorneys.  Everybody else pays.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 03, 2018, 11:09:34 PM
Civil suits will bankrupt the olymic USA Gymnastics...  but the MSU pocketbooks are much deeper!   

The Title IX changes to the school will bring about significant changes in the way allegations are handled in Athletics - as the programs seem to have enjoyed skirting any real issues with football and basketball being held to lesser standards. 

The next AD will have his hands full
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 04, 2018, 09:26:09 AM
How much did Penn State have to put up to make it go away?   

220 million or more per this story
I see lawyers soaked up 33 million! 

[url]http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/04/who_got_paid_in_the_jerry_sand.html[/url] ([url]http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/04/who_got_paid_in_the_jerry_sand.html[/url])

Curious if this will surpass that amount - many more victims and Title IX likes to make a statement


So far in addition to MSU's legal costs they have contributed $10M toward the 'go away' costs!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/counseling_paid_for_by_nassar.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/counseling_paid_for_by_nassar.html#incart_river_home)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 04, 2018, 10:30:50 AM
How deep are the pockets of the US taxpayers?

The last 40 or so gals who were assaulted happened after the FBI had gotten involved!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/03/fbi-aware-nassar-allegations-dozens-assaulted/110085934/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/03/fbi-aware-nassar-allegations-dozens-assaulted/110085934/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 04, 2018, 10:52:51 AM
Rather lengthly article in the Blade today about his.  It appears 40-50 people contacted the FBi in 2015.  They never heard back from the FBI either.  The article says the FBI told the parents not to discuss it with anyone.
But i think we all know what Obama had the FBI working on back in 2015-16 dont we!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 04, 2018, 11:15:25 AM
There's been a lot of focus on looking back at what has happened with the MSU Gymnastics team but this one tries to look forward and also with how there is so much focus on the team right now that they don't typically have.

http://www.ourmidland.com/news/crime/article/Michigan-State-gymnastics-team-tries-to-move-on-12548516.php#photo-14986009 (http://www.ourmidland.com/news/crime/article/Michigan-State-gymnastics-team-tries-to-move-on-12548516.php#photo-14986009)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 05, 2018, 10:06:44 AM
Another sentencing:  http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Nassar-sentenced-to-40-to-125-years-in-prison-472746023.html (http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Nassar-sentenced-to-40-to-125-years-in-prison-472746023.html)

Does this end his criminal cases now?

Unfortunately the civil cases will probably stretch out for years and therefore keep him from being able to actually get into his federal sentence!!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Tea Party Patriot on February 05, 2018, 10:32:11 AM
I'll admit that MSU made a grave error on this one. We should have known better than to admit a dimented UofM graduate like Larry Nassar in the first place. Lesson learned!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on February 05, 2018, 10:45:22 AM
I'll admit that MSU made a grave error on this one. We should have known better than to admit a dimented UofM graduate like Larry Nassar in the first place. Lesson learned!

Gee.  He is a Michigan State grad too.

Are you saying that Michigan State shouldn't employ Michigan State grads either - because they are "dimented?"

Get a life dude.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 05, 2018, 12:36:43 PM
Article comparing Penn State and MSU sex abuse scandals!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/05/nassar-sandusky-comparison-cases/110114268/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/05/nassar-sandusky-comparison-cases/110114268/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 05, 2018, 01:18:48 PM
I'll admit that MSU made a grave error on this one. We should have known better than to admit a dimented UofM graduate like Larry Nassar in the first place. Lesson learned!

You..... are an idiot.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: FritzTheKat on February 05, 2018, 04:38:47 PM
You..... are an idiot.
X2
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 06, 2018, 09:50:25 AM
The GoFundMe account started for the Dad of 3 that tried to get a piece of Nassar has been suspended.

Over 900 people had donated over $31K but the Dad won't take the money.  Now it's either figure out a good cause to donate to or refunds go back to original donors.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/02/05/unauthorized-fundraiser-dad-who-rushed-nassar-suspends-donations/302219002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/02/05/unauthorized-fundraiser-dad-who-rushed-nassar-suspends-donations/302219002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 06, 2018, 07:14:28 PM
Engler is off to a fine start at his new 'job'!

Not exactly sure why anyone would expect to receive advance warning of a search warrant being served on you...

I'm guessing the amount of info found drops proportionately to the advance in time given in a case like that!!!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/leaks_involving_nassar_investi.html#incart_river_home_pop (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/leaks_involving_nassar_investi.html#incart_river_home_pop)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 06, 2018, 07:21:57 PM
Engler the politician, mission is going to be to limit the damage to MSU..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 07, 2018, 08:53:55 AM
Engler the politician, mission is going to be to limit the damage to MSU..


Interesting article right along your train of thought:

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/under_simon_msu_communications.html#incart_river_home_pop (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/under_simon_msu_communications.html#incart_river_home_pop)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 07, 2018, 09:13:30 AM
Putting together a factual timeline of what happened when and where and who was told about will be a major part of the investigation!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/who_knew_what_when_about_larry.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/who_knew_what_when_about_larry.html#incart_river_home)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 07, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
Interesting links...
Still thinking MSU is going to try to limit the damage before anything else.
And they do not want to lose their big money makers.  Basketball and football.  That would be devasting..
That's their utmost concern right now..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 07, 2018, 09:47:53 AM
Victims are continuing to come forward and filing complaints!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/02/07/larry-nassar-has-been-sentenced-but-new-complaints-continue-roll/307147002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/02/07/larry-nassar-has-been-sentenced-but-new-complaints-continue-roll/307147002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 07, 2018, 01:17:56 PM
Victims are continuing to come forward and filing complaints!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/02/07/larry-nassar-has-been-sentenced-but-new-complaints-continue-roll/307147002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/02/07/larry-nassar-has-been-sentenced-but-new-complaints-continue-roll/307147002/)

They are probably seeing $$...  as they recall the PSU civil settlements. 

how much you think the attorneys will make off of this?   
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 08, 2018, 08:52:37 AM
They are probably seeing $$...  as they recall the PSU civil settlements. 

how much you think the attorneys will make off of this?

Here's another article:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/02/07/more-than-60-new-larry-nassar-complaints-logged-michigan-state-last-3-weeks/316648002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/02/07/more-than-60-new-larry-nassar-complaints-logged-michigan-state-last-3-weeks/316648002/)

There should be pretty good records regarding if a particular person was ever treated by Nassar at any point during their career.  It appears to me that if he had the opportunity to treat he most likely took advantage of the situation.  So many of these young gals all looked similar...   mostly one general body style for a gymnast and it appears they all appealed to him. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 08, 2018, 09:34:41 AM
Just wondering if he was just paid a salary to treat the athletes or maybe he had to bill someone for each visit. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 08, 2018, 01:53:08 PM
Just wondering if he was just paid a salary to treat the athletes or maybe he had to bill someone for each visit.

There could be at least three different answers to your question from what I've read.

Sounds like the treatments at MSU were billed either to insurance or to the gals (parents probably) themselves.  A major complaint by one of the more vocal parents was that through all of the turmoil of the last couple of years MSU continues to bill Mom for the 'treatments'!

I don't know how it would work at the gals that were in training or competition on the Olympic team or facility.

And the private training centers I would think would also be billing for treatment.  I know one was Twistars around Lansing and then there was at least one other place mentioned regularly.  A ranch of some sort down in Texas if I'm recalling it properly.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 08, 2018, 02:16:27 PM
The very popular Dad that tried to give Nassar a lesson is donating the proceeds from the GoFundMe account to the benefit of the victims!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/dad_who_lunged_at_nassar_donat.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/dad_who_lunged_at_nassar_donat.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 09, 2018, 10:31:23 AM
If you're passing through Milan and want to extend greetings (or an outstretched middle finger) to Nassar...

he's spending at least a little 'time' at Milan Prison!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/larry-nassar-milan/110251634/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/larry-nassar-milan/110251634/)


Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock (COLOR and ORIGINAL TRUE STEREO) - Jailhouse Rock Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJTgYzf9FE#)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Skittelroo on February 09, 2018, 12:03:34 PM
There could be at least three different answers to your question from what I've read.

Sounds like the treatments at MSU were billed either to insurance or to the gals (parents probably) themselves.  A major complaint by one of the more vocal parents was that through all of the turmoil of the last couple of years MSU continues to bill Mom for the 'treatments'!

I don't know how it would work at the gals that were in training or competition on the Olympic team or facility.

And the private training centers I would think would also be billing for treatment.  I know one was Twistars around Lansing and then there was at least one other place mentioned regularly.  A ranch of some sort down in Texas if I'm recalling it properly.


During the trial it was reported that MSU would absorb those bills from the girls.   Seems they wanted to be paid for the abuse they let occur.

That “ranch” is the Karolyi Ranch:

Once a renowned training facility owned by legendary gymnastics coaches in the East Texas woods, the famed Karolyi Ranch is shuttered and being investigated by the Texas Rangers after dozens of the women victimized by Larry Nassar said he abused them there. Now, the future of the ranch is murky. As the investigation continues, here's a primer on the history of the training facility that produced many of Team USA's gymnastic medalists.

19. The Texas Rangers are investigating the ranch. Following the closure of the ranch after Nassar's sentencing, Texas Governor Greg Abbott enlisted the Texas Rangers to investigate reports of sexual abuse at Karolyi Ranch. The investigation is focused on anyone who may have known about or enabled Nassar's crimes in some way. "Those athletes, as well as all Texans, deserve to know that no stone is left unturned to ensure that the allegations are thoroughly vetted and the perpetrators and enablers of any such misconduct are brought to justice," Abbott said.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a15958460/karolyi-ranch/ (http://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a15958460/karolyi-ranch/)


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/02/08/oversight-committee-says-investigate-usoc-usa-gymnastics-and-others/321141002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/02/08/oversight-committee-says-investigate-usoc-usa-gymnastics-and-others/321141002/)
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee announced Thursday it has launched an investigation into the U.S. Olympic Committee, USA Gymnastics, Michigan State University and other entities in the wake of the convictions of Larry Nassar, the doctor who molested scores of athletes over a span of about two decades. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 10, 2018, 09:31:11 AM
I saw on Twitter this morning that the Dad (Margraves) who tried to thump on Nassar is originally from Monroe.  I had recognized the name from showing up around here but hadn't heard that he was from here.  Maybe I'll get a chance to shake his hand one of these days!

The process of firing Nassar's direct supervisor at MSU has been started.  After reading about how he allowed Nassar to go back to work makes me wonder how many people above him should also be on the chopping block!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/michigan-state-william-strampel/110262512/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/michigan-state-william-strampel/110262512/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on February 10, 2018, 11:21:28 AM
The process of firing Nassar's direct supervisor at MSU has been started.  After reading about how he allowed Nassar to go back to work makes me wonder how many people above him should also be on the chopping block!!!

I'm curious how hard it will be to revoke his tenure, and what parties will defend that for him.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 10, 2018, 01:37:46 PM
If you're passing through Milan and want to extend greetings (or an outstretched middle finger) to Nassar...

he's spending at least a little 'time' at Milan Prison!!!

[url]http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/larry-nassar-milan/110251634/[/url] ([url]http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/larry-nassar-milan/110251634/[/url])


Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock (COLOR and ORIGINAL TRUE STEREO) - Jailhouse Rock Movie ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJTgYzf9FE#[/url])


Probably has Kwame's cell...   

As far as MSU - there are many more millions and many more jobs to be held accountable! 

The entire Title IX department for starters... 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 11, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
Probably has Kwame's cell...   

As far as MSU - there are many more millions and many more jobs to be held accountable! 

The entire Title IX department for starters...


They've already moved him to Arizona! 

I guess it's not like he'll be getting a lot of visitors!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/larry-nassar-milan/110251634/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/larry-nassar-milan/110251634/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 11, 2018, 07:43:11 PM
Who goes to jail first?  Crooked FBI leaders or MSU leaders.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 11, 2018, 08:00:41 PM
Can we send Nassar some soap on a rope?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: FritzTheKat on February 12, 2018, 08:10:38 AM
Lucky for him the Fed's got him first. He wouldn't last a week in Jackson.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 12, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
Reading this morning that MSU wants to fire Nasar's boss and stip tenure.  He told Nasar to have a 3rd person in exam room years ago but never followed up.  At that point he should have fired Nasar instead of ordering him to have a 3rd person.
Title: MSU donations drop 25%; Nassar effect uncertain
Post by: BigRedDog on February 12, 2018, 09:25:54 AM
Now it's hitting MSU where it hurts...

in the collection plate!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/12/nassar-michigan-state-university-donations/110331886/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/12/nassar-michigan-state-university-donations/110331886/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 12, 2018, 09:42:16 AM
Lucky for him the Fed's got him first. He wouldn't last a week in Jackson.

I guess I don't know much about Michigan's Sex Offender treatment in prison.  I've read bits and pieces of over the years...  mostly in news stories.  I assume Michigan doesn't put them in with general population no matter which prison they end up in.

Do they have special prisons or units with a particular prison where sex offenders are sent?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 12, 2018, 10:37:18 AM
He won't last anyway.  He'll kill himself.  No loss IMO.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 13, 2018, 09:03:08 AM
More on the supervisor:

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/better_decisions_could_have_be.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/better_decisions_could_have_be.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 13, 2018, 09:25:31 AM
Nothing like a little more turmoil when you're trying to quiet the prior turmoil ;) ;) ;)

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/education/2018/02/12/msu-blanchard-law-firm/110359210/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/education/2018/02/12/msu-blanchard-law-firm/110359210/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 13, 2018, 09:48:12 AM
Install Engler and cronyism abounds.  MSU will resemble the Washington swamp before long....
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 13, 2018, 10:03:28 PM
Nothing like a little more turmoil when you're trying to quiet the prior turmoil ;) ;) ;)

[url]http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/education/2018/02/12/msu-blanchard-law-firm/110359210/[/url] ([url]http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/education/2018/02/12/msu-blanchard-law-firm/110359210/[/url])

All your missing now is getting Jenny back... and we can have a MSU governor's club 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 13, 2018, 10:15:13 PM
Engler only been at Sparty U a week and has already determined Midget and Dantonio are fine men and haven't done anything Wrong..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2018, 08:47:39 AM
Engler only been at Sparty U a week and has already determined Midget and Dantonio are fine men and haven't done anything Wrong..

I'm guessing he was practicing those words before the appointment ever became public...

now if he can keep the investigators moving in that same direction ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2018, 09:34:43 AM
Engler only been at Sparty U a week and has already determined Midget and Dantonio are fine men and haven't done anything Wrong..


I'm guessing this is what you're referring to:

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/engler_defends_izzo_dantanio_i.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/engler_defends_izzo_dantanio_i.html#incart_river_home)


I can't guess why they would have a backlog of complaints!!!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/michigan_state_hires_firm_to_h.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/michigan_state_hires_firm_to_h.html#incart_river_home)

Already sounding like the phrase "I don't remember" is going to be uttered a lot along the Red Cedar River!!!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/msu_tells_us_senators_employee.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/msu_tells_us_senators_employee.html#incart_river_home)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 14, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
MSU is hanging their hat on the 2014 timeline...  sounds much better than 1997

Wonder how many emails and texts will have been "Lost" ... or what records their Title IX office even keeps?


I see their "reports" only go back to 2015 - online... 

http://titleix.msu.edu/_files/documents/Title%20IX%20Annual%20Report.pdf (http://titleix.msu.edu/_files/documents/Title%20IX%20Annual%20Report.pdf)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2018, 11:03:17 AM
Some insight from Blanchard!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/14/michigan-state-james-blanchard-lou-anna-simon-board-trustees-larry-nassar/334153002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/14/michigan-state-james-blanchard-lou-anna-simon-board-trustees-larry-nassar/334153002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 14, 2018, 02:55:35 PM
This may indicate just how long the 'protect the U at all costs' has been happening in East Lansing!

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/judy-putnam/2018/02/13/1985-rape-msu-dorm-brings-call-msu-president-engler/335161002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/judy-putnam/2018/02/13/1985-rape-msu-dorm-brings-call-msu-president-engler/335161002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on February 14, 2018, 06:58:33 PM
I see the MSU Staff had their temper tantrum.

I wonder.....  what is their logic.....  that a Female President is a cure all.....

But didn't they have a Female President when all this went down?

How does not having a penis make you better suited to transition the University?

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 15, 2018, 07:44:34 AM
The article comments that Engler has already 'overhauled' the MSU Sports System!!!

That's easy to say but it's going to take months (maybe years) to find out if that is a fact or just more words! 

If the same old attitude persists but with different names on the doors then that is certainly not an effective overhaul.

It's hard for an entire department to actually 'change' in one or two weeks!


https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/interim-president-john-engler-overhauls-michigan-states-health-system (https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/interim-president-john-engler-overhauls-michigan-states-health-system)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 15, 2018, 10:10:34 AM
Yeah, right,,,there are a lot of stupid people around that believe anything you tell them.   But Engler probably doesn't even know the closest path from his parking spot to his office yet.  And hes saying hes overhauled the system already??

Reading now that Engler has gone full coverup mode already.  Has hired the law firm that tried to get the Weinstein thing buried.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/14/msu-titl... (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/14/msu-titl...)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 15, 2018, 09:56:38 PM
I see there was a no confidence vote and that included Engler.  He's a tool.  He reminds me of Broderick Crawford only Crawford was a good actor, Engler is an idiot.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on February 16, 2018, 07:27:06 AM
I see ESPN is reporting an MSU freshman guard is under investigation for forcibly groping a female student.

The hits - they just keep on a coming at MSU.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 16, 2018, 07:39:43 AM
No more 'touchy-feeley in Lansing. ;D  at least at the University.  At the Statehouse, anything goes..... ;D
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 16, 2018, 08:55:43 AM
No more 'touchy-feeley in Lansing. ;D  at least at the University.  At the Statehouse, anything goes..... ;D

I think we're swinging to a culture where we won't see as much of that in the future.

It's not new.  I remember my Grandfather saying one time "you shouldn't get your meat where you get your potatoes"!!!

The biggest objection I have to 'our' representatives is that when they get caught they get to use taxpayer money to make things 'good' again!

Would be interesting to see what the numbers at state and federal levels across the country!  I wonder how many other states have these taxpayer funded 'slush funds' for the 'victims'?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 16, 2018, 09:51:11 AM
Sparty seems to recruit more than their share of thugs and criminals..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 16, 2018, 01:03:09 PM
I think we're swinging to a culture where we won't see as much of that in the future.

It's not new.  I remember my Grandfather saying one time "you shouldn't get your meat where you get your potatoes"!!!

The biggest objection I have to 'our' representatives is that when they get caught they get to use taxpayer money to make things 'good' again!

Would be interesting to see what the numbers at state and federal levels across the country!  I wonder how many other states have these taxpayer funded 'slush funds' for the 'victims'?

That means our elected legislators will be spending more time at the tit clubs (like the Landing Strip) on Jolly Road for their couch dances and other illicit stuff.  From the Cedar River out Jolly road for a 1/2 mile, it's all tit clubs.  Business is good with elected officials.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 16, 2018, 01:04:16 PM
Sparty seems to recruit more than their share of thugs and criminals..

Thugs and criminals make good athletes.  Much better than a 4 eyed bookworm.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: FritzTheKat on February 16, 2018, 03:58:41 PM
Sparty seems to recruit more than their share of thugs and criminals..

That's the only way to compete with the buckeyes...
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 17, 2018, 01:12:16 PM
Here's an interesting news article from yesterday.  It draws many comparisons to the recent MSU scandal to some earlier scandal associated with USA Swim Team members.

So many parallels it's actually more than ironic!!!

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/02/16/investigation-usa-swimming-ignored-sexual-abuse-for-decades/ (https://www.ocregister.com/2018/02/16/investigation-usa-swimming-ignored-sexual-abuse-for-decades/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 17, 2018, 04:13:45 PM
Here's an interesting news article from yesterday.  It draws many comparisons to the recent MSU scandal to some earlier scandal associated with USA Swim Team members.

So many parallels it's actually more than ironic!!!

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/02/16/investigation-usa-swimming-ignored-sexual-abuse-for-decades/ (https://www.ocregister.com/2018/02/16/investigation-usa-swimming-ignored-sexual-abuse-for-decades/)

I read all the articles...  They read just like the MSU playbook.  Amazing.

One has to wonder who else had their fingers (or whatever) in those cookie jars.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 19, 2018, 10:22:18 AM
I've often wondered why Michigan doesn't use the 'grand jury' system...

seems like that would be the most 'transparent' investigation we could possibly get.

Quote
On Jan. 27 Schuette announced Forsyth, a retired Kent County prosecutor, as an "independent special prosecutor"

But when Schuette's office released details of Forsyth's hiring under the Freedom of Information Act, Forsyth's actual independence from Schuette was questioned. Forsyth was to serve "under my direction and at my pleasure," according to an appointment letter Schuette signed. 


The above sure doesn't give me much faith that this investigation is going to be 'transparent' in any way!

Much, much more at:

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/for_a_truly_independent_invest.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/for_a_truly_independent_invest.html#incart_river_home)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 19, 2018, 10:49:51 AM
It's unfortunate for the girls that were abused but Michigan authorities are going to do everything they can to salvage Michigan State university..That is there utmost concern, not the girls.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 19, 2018, 01:17:57 PM
It's unfortunate for the girls that were abused but Michigan authorities are going to do everything they can to salvage Michigan State university..That is there utmost concern, not the girls.

If you were looking at Colleges to attend for your kids would you pay to send them there?  I think not.  I discussed just that in Chicago 2 weeks ago with my cousin in law, his wife and their 2 college bound kids.  Neither kid wanted anything to do with MSU because of the adverse publicity.

The stain of MSU is here to stay no matter what they try to do to remove it..


and...  Schutte is still a tool and Engler is a bygone.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 19, 2018, 03:28:33 PM
MSU will evolve into a community college if they get hammered and the football and basketball programs as well as other athletic programs are limited.  Big donors will disappear.  You can't charge enough tuition to fund athletic programs.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 20, 2018, 09:08:35 AM
Looks like Engler has an open checkbook as he starts to ramp up!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/education/2018/02/19/msu-engler-costly-moves/110589482/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/education/2018/02/19/msu-engler-costly-moves/110589482/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 20, 2018, 09:56:56 AM
Engler sure taking care of his friends at our expense.  Politiicans know how to milk the system..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 20, 2018, 10:07:18 AM
Engler had an open checkbook when he was governor as well and proved (to me at least) he wasn't a good financial person, IOW, a spender without merit.

He's still a tool. an old, overweight tool.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 21, 2018, 08:41:49 AM
Engler sure taking care of his friends at our expense.  Politiicans know how to milk the system..

 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Yes they do!

Well, now we know what the next level of 'investigation' will look like!

The big thing I see here is the guy that is finally 'retiring'!  Some had been calling for his head earlier.  He could have been a big part in any potential 'cover up'.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/20/msu-michigan-chief-legal-bob-young-jr/355654002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/20/msu-michigan-chief-legal-bob-young-jr/355654002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 21, 2018, 09:12:55 AM
Here's a bio on each member of the current MSU Board of Trustees. 

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/a_look_at_michigan_states_boar.html#incart_river_home (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/a_look_at_michigan_states_boar.html#incart_river_home)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on February 21, 2018, 10:10:25 AM
It will be interesting to see how many Trustee's are changed - and if they "retire" whats the process

Few people ever really pay attention to those positions during the election cycle - figure they are party appointee's...  its the one time I vote for the little known party (green/communist) candidate :)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 21, 2018, 10:45:04 AM
I wondered how long before LT. (aspiring) Governor Calley would comment on this issue.

He's not so sure that the investigation will be independent either!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/lt_gov_brian_calley_calls_for.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/lt_gov_brian_calley_calls_for.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 21, 2018, 06:48:59 PM
I like and trust Calley a heck of a lot farther than Schutte or Engler.  Remember, it was Calley who initiated the 'Clean MI.org to get the legislative term limit and commensurate pay and part time legislature on the ballot, I did my part and hope he got the necessary signatures.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 21, 2018, 09:46:31 PM
https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/nassar-victims-call-trustee-worst-person-to-lead-msu-ask-him-to-resign (https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/nassar-victims-call-trustee-worst-person-to-lead-msu-ask-him-to-resign)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 22, 2018, 07:30:01 AM
Engler to donate his salary back to MSU.

I'm sure there are plenty of other opportunities for him to receive financial rewards with as much $$$ as will be in play.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/engler_finalizes_contract_with.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/engler_finalizes_contract_with.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries)

Modified to correct the link to the article.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 23, 2018, 09:01:52 AM
Poor Sparty...

seems like this is another case of when 'it rains it pours'!!!

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/02/report_miles_bridges_family_re.html (http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/02/report_miles_bridges_family_re.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 23, 2018, 10:20:43 AM
This FBI investigation is probably going to impact about ever big time team with NBA talent.  Maybe Michigan not so much..They haven't had much of that kind of talent lately..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 23, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/71/01/47/14948803/7/1024x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: The Fuzz on February 23, 2018, 04:32:42 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on February 23, 2018, 06:49:49 PM
This FBI investigation is probably going to impact about ever big time team with NBA talent.  Maybe Michigan not so much..They haven't had much of that kind of talent lately..

Yet John gets them there more than the great Izzo.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on February 23, 2018, 10:18:22 PM
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/02/sit_or_play_miles_bridges_expe.html (http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/02/sit_or_play_miles_bridges_expe.html)

Makes me want to watch the next Spartans game to see what the cheaters will do.....
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 24, 2018, 08:51:16 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/2018/02/24/michigan-state-spartans-ncaa-yahoo-fbi/369137002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/2018/02/24/michigan-state-spartans-ncaa-yahoo-fbi/369137002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on February 24, 2018, 10:46:21 AM
Sparty in the basketball scandal pretty deep.
The new yahoo report shows an email a ASM empl sent to owner of sports agent ASM detailing that Stephens (MSU assit coach) wanted to "trade" Miles Bridges & Gary Harris(assuming this meant Izzo or Stephens would convince them to sign with ASM) for the chance of obtaining Brian Bowen.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2018, 02:34:44 PM
I wonder 'who' is paying for all these various levels of investigation ??? ??? ???

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/education-department-opens-investigation-into-how-msu-handled-nassar-sex-abuse-cases (https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/education-department-opens-investigation-into-how-msu-handled-nassar-sex-abuse-cases)

Actually I do know the answer to the question :o :o :o
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 26, 2018, 03:00:22 PM
I wonder 'who' is paying for all these various levels of investigation ??? ??? ???

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/education-department-opens-investigation-into-how-msu-handled-nassar-sex-abuse-cases (https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/education-department-opens-investigation-into-how-msu-handled-nassar-sex-abuse-cases)

Actually I do know the answer to the question :o :o :o

Very astute of you.  Don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out....
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on February 26, 2018, 03:34:00 PM
Very astute of you.  Don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out....

I'm all for a thorough investigation and getting to the bottom line on everyone that turned a blind eye but I'm not sure that having multiple agencies each doing their own investigating is the best way to proceed. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on February 26, 2018, 07:22:06 PM
I'm all for a thorough investigation and getting to the bottom line on everyone that turned a blind eye but I'm not sure that having multiple agencies each doing their own investigating is the best way to proceed.

Nor do I but when spending taxpayers money, there is little accoutability.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 07, 2018, 06:31:35 PM
The board is definitely making sure that the board itself is well protected!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/07/msu-board-hires-its-own-law-firm-represent-investigations/402456002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/07/msu-board-hires-its-own-law-firm-represent-investigations/402456002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 07, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
They've been watching how the federal bureaucracy handles matters..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 07, 2018, 07:30:17 PM
They've been watching how the federal bureaucracy handles matters..

I guess as long as money is no issue...

the chances of the public ever hearing a 'total' review of what happened is beyond a dream at this point!!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 08, 2018, 08:48:26 AM
A lengthy article in the Free Press this morning:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/03/08/larry-nassar-sexually-abused-gymnasts-michigan-state-university-usa-gymnastics/339051002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/03/08/larry-nassar-sexually-abused-gymnasts-michigan-state-university-usa-gymnastics/339051002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 08, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
The victims continue their objections to Trustee Kelly remaining on the MSU Board of Directors!


https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/nassar-victims-call-trustee-worst-person-to-lead-msu-ask-him-to-resign (https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/nassar-victims-call-trustee-worst-person-to-lead-msu-ask-him-to-resign)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on March 08, 2018, 11:04:53 AM
The board is definitely making sure that the board itself is well protected!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/07/msu-board-hires-its-own-law-firm-represent-investigations/402456002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/07/msu-board-hires-its-own-law-firm-represent-investigations/402456002/)

I can see a line item on future tuition statements for Sparty

Title IX fee   
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 08, 2018, 11:41:07 AM
didn't frenchy use Geek squad?
Geek Squad staff 'paid by FBI' to flag illegal imagery

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43315176 (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43315176)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 09, 2018, 08:24:43 AM
I'm sure if they look at enough documents they'll eventually find something.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/house_lawmakers_want_more_docu.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/house_lawmakers_want_more_docu.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on March 09, 2018, 06:18:50 PM
I'm sure if they look at enough documents they'll eventually find something.

[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/house_lawmakers_want_more_docu.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries[/url] ([url]http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/house_lawmakers_want_more_docu.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries[/url])


I sure wish we had Florida's sunshine laws!     

Sounds like they are already making deals to hide stuff from the taxpayers er public... 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 10, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
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An attorney representing one of Larry Nassar's victims is asking the U.S. Department of Education to reopen and review Michigan State University's 2014 sexual misconduct investigation that cleared Nassar and allowed him to return to work.


Looks like this attorney has honed in on the big issue!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/attorney_wants_michigan_state.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/attorney_wants_michigan_state.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 10, 2018, 11:28:55 AM
Guessing Sports Illustrated hasn't caught up with the scandal at MSU yet.
https://www.sicovers.com/march-madness-18-michigan-state-2018-march-12 (https://www.sicovers.com/march-madness-18-michigan-state-2018-march-12)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 10, 2018, 01:02:34 PM
This crap will go on for decades....  Nassar, the ultimate finger focker.  Bet he likes the joint.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on March 11, 2018, 10:07:03 AM
Looks like this attorney has honed in on the big issue!

[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/attorney_wants_michigan_state.html[/url] ([url]http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/attorney_wants_michigan_state.html[/url])


I agree - it appears this department was a shill...   

Its like the unknown area for many - but when they bring in the fines for the school - people will pay attention and they will likely go overboard for several years to make it look like they are complying.

Its never a good thing to have "TWO" reports circulating around -

"MSU's Office of Institutional Equity also created two versions of the Title IX report, and the version provided to Thomashow "omitted material conclusive findings and opinions," he said."
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 11, 2018, 10:23:29 AM
Can't imagine any of this went on without the top people at sparty knowing about it.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 27, 2018, 08:31:21 AM
The first arrest from all the new investigations!

Sounded to me like this guy knew he was in trouble several months ago!

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Former-MSU-official-arrested-amid-investigation-into-complaints-against-Nassar-477991953.html (http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Former-MSU-official-arrested-amid-investigation-into-complaints-against-Nassar-477991953.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 27, 2018, 10:02:48 AM
This investigation will get bogged down unless the girls and their parents continue to pursue it.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 27, 2018, 11:07:46 AM
Whoa...

I was expecting the investigation to maybe show he didn't supervise Nassar close enough but this is way, way more involved that that.

Sounds like he may have been a willing accomplice!

Quote
allegedly inappropriately touching a student and storing nude photos of female students on his work computer.


Why, why, why would anyone think they could store anything 'personal' on their work computer and not expect that it would be found at some point in the future?

This could get a lot more interesting all of a sudden!!!

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Michigan-State-official-who-oversaw-Nassar-faces-charges-478040483.html (http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Michigan-State-official-who-oversaw-Nassar-faces-charges-478040483.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 27, 2018, 04:31:52 PM
If anyone is keeping score of who has fallen and where this article has a pretty good summary 'so far'...

I'll bet there will be a few more 'surprises' yet!

http://upnorthlive.com/news/local/a-look-at-the-fallout-from-sports-doctor-scandal-03-27-2018 (http://upnorthlive.com/news/local/a-look-at-the-fallout-from-sports-doctor-scandal-03-27-2018)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 27, 2018, 05:45:51 PM
I've been wondering about this last guy they arrested...

I've seen several articles and apparently he had a thing for grabbing the butts of the co-eds...

I can see how he would have had plenty of 'opportunity' for that.

I'm curious about how he obtained all the nudes of the co-eds though...

the ones he was storing on his university owned computer. 

I doubt there are any 'official' nude photos maintained of students so he must have had another source or sources :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 27, 2018, 05:50:50 PM
I guess this explains how Nassar got away with it for so long.

His boss was an a hole too.....

Very sad.

I think the cost of this may have just went up for MSU.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 27, 2018, 06:05:26 PM
I guess this explains how Nassar got away with it for so long.

His boss was an a hole too.....

Very sad.

I think the cost of this may have just went up for MSU.


I just found this recently posted update and this probably goes a long way to drive the cost up!!!

Quote
and a video of Nassar performing a "treatment" on a young patient. 


Not only did Nassar's supervisor 'know' he even had a video!!!

Answers to a couple other of my questions too!

I wonder who the 'tipster' was?

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/tip_led_to_seizure_of_ex-msu_d.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/tip_led_to_seizure_of_ex-msu_d.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 27, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Just keeps on getting better and better...  Stampel and Nassar my be cell mates before it's all done.... ;D
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on March 27, 2018, 11:38:31 PM
Wow I had to get the popcorn out to catch up on all the twists...

Nude selfies and sex exchanged for grades?     

I guess the list of students "exposed" pardon the pun, will grow as they dig into the rest of the faculty in the sports and medical colleges! 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 28, 2018, 08:21:11 AM
Just keeps on getting better and better...  Stampel and Nassar my be cell mates before it's all done.... ;D

I expect it will continue too...

Wow I had to get the popcorn out to catch up on all the twists...

Nude selfies and sex exchanged for grades?     

I guess the list of students "exposed" pardon the pun, will grow as they dig into the rest of the faculty in the sports and medical colleges! 

I'd buy some extra popcorn!

I think we'll see a few more surprises before the fire goes out. 

I'm waiting for some 'local' names to pop up!!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 28, 2018, 08:57:10 AM
I would think it would be in the best interest of MSU to settle this as soon as possible before even more info comes out.


http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/michigan_state_restarting_sett.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/michigan_state_restarting_sett.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 28, 2018, 09:52:09 AM
Much of this is just prior info over and over but almost every article brings out a little bit of new info or details.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/tech/2018/01/18/msu-president-told-nassar-complaint-2014/1042071001/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/tech/2018/01/18/msu-president-told-nassar-complaint-2014/1042071001/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 28, 2018, 10:02:26 AM
So MSU President Lou Anna Simon was informed in 2014 that a Title IX complaint and a police report had been filed against an unnamed physician.
And she didn't ask for the report and never followed up.  I guess she was hoping it would all go away.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 28, 2018, 05:24:39 PM
I still think Izzo is involved somehow.  He was chummy with all the bad people for years.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on March 28, 2018, 07:41:06 PM
MSU paid a PR firm $500,000 in January to monitor social media accounts of Nassars victims
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 28, 2018, 07:51:34 PM
MSU paid a PR firm $500,000 in January to monitor social media accounts of Nassars victims

I would have done it for half that.

Their Purchasing Department needs to get better.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 28, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
I would have done it for half that.

Their Purchasing Department needs to get better.

It's the government attitude.  When not spending your own money, who cares.  Problem is. the way it's heading, they will run out (of money) before it's all done.

I'll be there in Sunday for Easter brunch btw.  Rubbing elbows with all the pervs.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 28, 2018, 08:23:09 PM
I still think Izzo is involved somehow.  He was chummy with all the bad people for years.

I don't think anyone is above suspicion at this point!

MSU paid a PR firm $500,000 in January to monitor social media accounts of Nassars victims

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/03/28/msu-spent-500-k-january-monitor-social-media-accounts-nassar-victims-others/447378002/ (https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/03/28/msu-spent-500-k-january-monitor-social-media-accounts-nassar-victims-others/447378002/)

I know Spartan fans that claim they 'bleed green' but the whole place is bleeding green at this rate...

apparently their pockets weren't deep enough to keep it up as they've cancelled the project now!

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on March 28, 2018, 08:26:26 PM
I'll be there in Sunday for Easter brunch btw.  Rubbing elbows with all the pervs.

Sparty on and pass the gravy!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 29, 2018, 08:41:31 AM
Plenty of fresh fodder on the continuing woes at MSU!

I wonder how long before this one is facing charges?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/28/msu-klages-supported-nassar-till-end/33375899/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/28/msu-klages-supported-nassar-till-end/33375899/)

More info on Strampel but it still doesn't give any idea on who the tipster was!

http://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/03/51446d9213/who_is_william_strampel_and_5.html#incart_m-rpt-2 (http://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/03/51446d9213/who_is_william_strampel_and_5.html#incart_m-rpt-2)

More people are wondering how deep Sparty's buckets of green go!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/questions_swirl_over_how_michi.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/questions_swirl_over_how_michi.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries)

A summary of all the goings on in the last few months!

http://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/03/6b4c24198d/whats_happened_at_michigan_sta.html (http://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/03/6b4c24198d/whats_happened_at_michigan_sta.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 29, 2018, 10:48:56 AM
Maybe she got disenchanted with Nassar when he quit manipulating her in the office....lol  I can understand that.  Who wants to manipulate some old fat broad anyway... ;D

Sounds like she's the next to get dinged.

I maintain that Izzo is in on it too.  Only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 30, 2018, 09:22:22 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/03/29/students-msu-michigan-state-william-strampel-groped-pornography-assault-dean/469322002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/03/29/students-msu-michigan-state-william-strampel-groped-pornography-assault-dean/469322002/)

Lot's of people seemed to know at least parts of what was going on and yet those at the top claim they didn't see a thing!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on March 30, 2018, 09:51:12 PM
Strampel looks the part...'dirty old man'
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on March 31, 2018, 06:11:12 PM
Mlive continues their excellent coverage of MSU!!!

This is the gal (or at least one of them) that had her butt grabbed by Strampel!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/woman_alleging_abuse_by_nassar.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/woman_alleging_abuse_by_nassar.html)

I don't see a surprise here!

Majority of voters think Michigan State trustees should resign, poll finds.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/majority_of_voters_think_michi.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/majority_of_voters_think_michi.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 01, 2018, 07:16:12 AM
Like everything else 'Michigan', what the majority of voters want and what happens are 2 different things.  I personally feel that Engler should not be the interim leader, but what do I know, I'm just a taxpayer.

Nice to have our own 'swamp' right here in East Lansing with the other 'swamp' down of Jolly Road.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on April 02, 2018, 09:17:07 PM
So MSU President Lou Anna Simon was informed in 2014 that a Title IX complaint and a police report had been filed against an unnamed physician.
And she didn't ask for the report and never followed up.  I guess she was hoping it would all go away.

And she had all kinds of "advice" for Penn State - when they were in the news...   

She had a place on the NCAA executive board that "Punished" PSU ... will be interested to see if they touch the MSU programs 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on April 02, 2018, 09:25:17 PM
And she had all kinds of "advice" for Penn State - when they were in the news...   

She had a place on the NCAA executive board that "Punished" PSU ... will be interested to see if they touch the MSU programs

Maybe Penn State can give them some advice back? 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 05, 2018, 09:01:52 AM
The latest...

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/suspended_michigan_state_docto_1.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/suspended_michigan_state_docto_1.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 05, 2018, 09:54:26 AM
This sparty thing is going to roll along just like events in Wash DC.  Nothing ever happens because everybody in business and politicis is dirty and they all know it.  Expose me and i'll expose you.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 05, 2018, 10:01:27 AM
This sparty thing is going to roll along just like events in Wash DC.  Nothing ever happens because everybody in business and politicis is dirty and they all know it.  Expose me and i'll expose you.

That all probably has something to do with why they put a politician at the helm of MSU for this 'battle'!!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on April 05, 2018, 10:49:57 AM
Gee like we trust a MSU doctor to decide on such issues...   pretty sad the damage done to the reputation of the U

I'm guessing with all the "personnel" claims, that is how they will hide as much as they can from the public.   
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 06, 2018, 09:47:50 AM
Some info on what the state house investigation has turned up:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/05/michigan-house-inquiry-larry-nassar-michigan-state-university/33580221/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/05/michigan-house-inquiry-larry-nassar-michigan-state-university/33580221/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 06, 2018, 10:06:58 AM
going to be pretty hard for the politicians to slow walk this wrongdoing like they do in DC.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 06, 2018, 10:46:17 AM
Still kind of early to be thinking about changes but there are a few proposals:

http://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/04/fcf145d7da2430/these_are_the_changes_state_la.html (http://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/04/fcf145d7da2430/these_are_the_changes_state_la.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 06, 2018, 11:12:44 AM
A skeleton in a closet in Columbus too!

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/The-Ohio-State-University-investigating-sexual-misconduct-allegations-478904433.html (http://www.13abc.com/content/news/The-Ohio-State-University-investigating-sexual-misconduct-allegations-478904433.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 06, 2018, 11:15:59 AM
I wonder what the chances are that Nassar will ever pay the $1M fine?

http://www.wtol.com/story/37889447/the-latest-nassars-medical-license-permanently-revoked (http://www.wtol.com/story/37889447/the-latest-nassars-medical-license-permanently-revoked)

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 06, 2018, 11:20:53 AM
I just don't understand this.  MSU authorities knew for years something wasn't right about this guy.  Many girls had reported him but they decided to cover it up.  Why?  I'm sure they could have created an undercover sting operation and catch him.  They couldn't have been afraid of lawsuits could they.  Well, if they were they sure have them now.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 06, 2018, 11:30:37 AM
I just don't understand this.  MSU authorities knew for years something wasn't right about this guy.  Many girls had reported him but they decided to cover it up.  Why?  I'm sure they could have created an undercover sting operation and catch him.  They couldn't have been afraid of lawsuits could they.  Well, if they were they sure have them now.

I'm thinking it was along the line of the article from The Blade you just posted about our bad roads.  The people in charge just kept putting it aside and hoping it would stay away until someone else had to deal with it.  'Maybe' it will go away by itself. 

A lot of this is like the political 'pendulum' effect. 

For a long, long time someone was holding onto the pendulum and not letting it swing 'freely'...

so when it broke loose there was a lot of 'motion' that was being held back so away went the pendulum.

I was just reading an article about the beautiful office that is in the process of being built for the past president. 

I would have had it built in the back of the water processing plant in Flint!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on April 06, 2018, 12:39:12 PM
Still waiting for the NCAA and the Federal Government to weigh in...   

Why are they so silent?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 06, 2018, 04:04:15 PM
And what happened to the big FBI investigation into corrupt college basketball programs..
Way to much money involved i guess.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 07, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Another one in E.Lansing although this may be nothing more than a bunch of drunk kids playing graba$$.

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/23029011/michigan-state-basketball-player-brock-washington-charged-assault (http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/23029011/michigan-state-basketball-player-brock-washington-charged-assault)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 07, 2018, 05:50:49 PM
13 still unanswered questions!

http://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/04/dfdcf3d7021099/questions_still_unanswered_in.html (http://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/04/dfdcf3d7021099/questions_still_unanswered_in.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 08, 2018, 11:19:45 AM
If part of Engler's job was to keep this quiet on a national level then he's failing miserably. 

Recent USA Today article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/04/05/inside-larry-nassar-prosecution-investigation/488907002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/04/05/inside-larry-nassar-prosecution-investigation/488907002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 08, 2018, 11:00:51 PM
Engler was a failure as Governor what do you expect?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: FritzTheKat on April 09, 2018, 04:10:59 PM
Engler was a failure as Governor what do you expect?
;) ;D
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 09, 2018, 07:35:54 PM
A lawsuit against 3 MSU basketball players and MSU by a female that says she was raped. The suit against is MSU as they counciled her that making charges would be difficult on her..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 09, 2018, 08:27:20 PM
Wonder how long it will be before Izzo id fried?  I've suspected all along he was implicit.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: FritzTheKat on April 10, 2018, 11:25:46 AM
Wonder how long it will be before Izzo id fried?  I've suspected all along he was implicit.
Time to take over the Pistons.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 10, 2018, 11:49:07 AM
MSU former president warned of dean's disturbing actions and comments 14 years ago!!!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/concerns_about_strampel_msu_de.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/concerns_about_strampel_msu_de.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 10, 2018, 02:24:12 PM
The more of this stuff that comes out the quicker Engler is going to bail..Realizing he won't be able to perform his task of covering it up..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 10, 2018, 10:01:19 PM
The more of this stuff that comes out the quicker Engler is going to bail..Realizing he won't be able to perform his task of covering it up..

Like I said, he's a joke and has been for years... a has been....  The scandal is way over his limited talent at covering anything up.  It will blow up in his fat face.

Idiot.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 11, 2018, 08:45:35 AM
As much info as there is being exposed now it's amazing that Nassar kept up his charade as long as he did.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/03/30/2-msu-employees-still-job-though-informed-nassar-ex-athletes-say/417731002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/03/30/2-msu-employees-still-job-though-informed-nassar-ex-athletes-say/417731002/)

The more of this stuff that comes out the quicker Engler is going to bail..Realizing he won't be able to perform his task of covering it up..

The other possibility is that there have been even way more of these happenings over the years and Engler has been able to hide them so far!!!

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 11, 2018, 09:26:07 AM
Wonder how long it will be before Izzo id fried?  I've suspected all along he was implicit.


Seems like they're slowly getting closer to Izzo...

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/attorney-for-woman-suing-for-alleged-msu-basketball-rape-talks-about-case (http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/attorney-for-woman-suing-for-alleged-msu-basketball-rape-talks-about-case)

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/04/10/michigan-state-basketball-lawsuit/504558002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/04/10/michigan-state-basketball-lawsuit/504558002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 12, 2018, 09:09:29 AM
Predictably, MSU has come out denying everything involving the latest accusations!!!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/11/msu-fires-back-rape-lawsuit/33756417/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/11/msu-fires-back-rape-lawsuit/33756417/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 12, 2018, 10:18:18 AM
Mlive is not letting up on MSU!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/page/how_msu_culture_fostered_sexual_predator.html#incart_big-photo (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/page/how_msu_culture_fostered_sexual_predator.html#incart_big-photo)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 12, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
I don't know that MSU is all that much different than a lot of college campus's regarding sexual activities amoung students..  What's setting MSU apart from the rest right now is the wrongdoing of their sports medicine doctor..
But in the past the Spartys have had quite a few problems with athletes that seem to go unpunished.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on April 12, 2018, 11:14:53 PM
MSU former president warned of dean's disturbing actions and comments 14 years ago!!!

[url]http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/concerns_about_strampel_msu_de.html[/url] ([url]http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/concerns_about_strampel_msu_de.html[/url])

Put Nassar back to work -  and additional 20 molested...   I'm just seeing the Tote Board of "buyouts" or "settlements" spinning pretty rapidly... 

He even video'd on of those!   Sick guy should be joining his "pal"...   as life in prison for that is fitting.


Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 13, 2018, 02:22:21 PM
She should understand that is why the board hired Engler

1:34
Kellie Rowe
Verified account @kellierowe
Gasps and outrage in the board room today when a Nassar survivor describes in great detail how she says MSU Interim President John Engler attempted to coerce her into settling her case against the university. @FOX2News  Listen:
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Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 13, 2018, 05:04:16 PM
I was gonna post it but you beat me to it...  Engler offered the gymnast 250 grand to 'hush up' according to Fox news.  Willie Engler is way out of his league with this stuff.  Those girls cannot be 'bought off' for any price.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 13, 2018, 05:15:56 PM
They are likely to own the state when this ends
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 13, 2018, 05:18:26 PM
Willie Engler and MSU need to come to the realization that the y 'own' what happened 100%.  Trying to duck is only making it worse.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 13, 2018, 06:00:25 PM
And people think people in leadership positions are smarter
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 14, 2018, 11:14:34 AM
'Engler" is trending on twitter.  Comments are running probably 30-1 against him.  There are just not a lot of people giving him any support at all.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 14, 2018, 11:36:49 AM
Board would be smart to get rid of him.  But he's only doing what they wanted
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 14, 2018, 12:18:25 PM
Board would be smart to get rid of him.  But he's only doing what they wanted

It sounds like most of the people would prefer to see the board resign in it's entirety right after if fires Engler. 

That sounds like it would result in the governor appointing a new board who would then hire a new president...

I suppose MSU could possibly end up worse off than they are now. 


I wonder if they've seen any discernible downturn in applications yet?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Maverick on April 14, 2018, 12:23:07 PM
What would the new board or president do that was any different. They can't move forward till they resolve all of the claims if that is even possible. We all know that the majority of claimants will be happy to go away if they get a check. That's human nature at this point in the human evolution. So, making cash offers of settlement is what they are all going to boil down to anyways.
If you don't like Engler then you won't like his approach. The next guy, if there is one ,will be doing the exact same thing.
How much will you take to go away ???  Here's your check !!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 14, 2018, 03:25:27 PM
I agree with the settlements.  But I think Engler did the negotiating with the girl directly and she indicated he twisted her arm.  This could go on forever.
The state needs to set up a fund then have lawyers negotiate with whomever the state puts in charge of it instead of negotiating with MSU.  Get MSU out as soon as possible if they want to save the university.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 16, 2018, 10:59:51 PM
What would the new board or president do that was any different. They can't move forward till they resolve all of the claims if that is even possible. We all know that the majority of claimants will be happy to go away if they get a check. That's human nature at this point in the human evolution. So, making cash offers of settlement is what they are all going to boil down to anyways.
If you don't like Engler then you won't like his approach. The next guy, if there is one ,will be doing the exact same thing.
How much will you take to go away ???  Here's your check !!!

My opinion is, most of the girls are too principled to 'go away with a check'.  It's not about money, it's about right, wrong and covering stuff up.  I agree that money tends to heal wounds in most cases but I don't think in this instance, money is the band aid.

I believe the girls want MSU to 'man up' and admit their guilt, not pay off and slither away.

No, I don't like Engler but like him or not, I think it's the wrong approach.

I think Engler and Zorn were hatched from the same eggs in the same nest.  Pot bellied has been politicians with no self esteem.  Both of them exude sleaze.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 19, 2018, 08:59:50 AM
Apparently there were some denials that Engler actually offered a check...

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/michigan_state_apologizes_for.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/michigan_state_apologizes_for.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 19, 2018, 05:59:58 PM
No surprise here.  I watched this young gal on TV a few times during the legal proceedings and she is a powerful speaker!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/nassar_victim_rachael_denholla.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/nassar_victim_rachael_denholla.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 19, 2018, 09:59:39 PM
Is she the one that Sparty PR firm tried to dig up dirt on her by contacting ex-boyfriends?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 20, 2018, 02:35:17 PM
Is she the one that Sparty PR firm tried to dig up dirt on her by contacting ex-boyfriends?

I'm sure they've all tried to dig up dirt on her of any kind they can find.  She was one of the older gals although she was still very young when Nassar was going after her.  She's married and a Mom and an attorney now.  Not sure what kind of practice she has.  I think she's just part of the big group suing and not going on her own.  Seems like she lives in Kintucky or Tennessee or maybe South Carolina.  She even came across on TV as very down to earth and not real attorneyish (Chrome doesn't like that word)!!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 20, 2018, 02:54:45 PM
You're right. She was very reserved and I would have never guessed she as an attorney.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 24, 2018, 08:50:41 AM
Once you're in the spotlight then people tend to have long memories to anything that might even be related!

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/04/24/coach-michigan-state-ties-sexual-abuse/545018002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/04/24/coach-michigan-state-ties-sexual-abuse/545018002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 26, 2018, 09:48:57 AM
Sounds like Strampel has his own problems along with supervising Nassar's activity!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/prosecutors_claim_william_stra.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/prosecutors_claim_william_stra.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 26, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
Sounds to me like Strampel was following on Nassar's footsteps.  Liked bald beavers too....lol
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 30, 2018, 08:28:07 AM
Where will they find the money to pay all the claims. 

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/30/michigan-state-nassar-settlements/546672002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/30/michigan-state-nassar-settlements/546672002/)


Engler is using the word "disorganized"...

I'm sure many of the victims attorneys will be using stronger language!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/29/larry-nassar-msu-john-engler-disappointed-accountability/34394737/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/29/larry-nassar-msu-john-engler-disappointed-accountability/34394737/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 30, 2018, 08:48:46 AM
I'd make the university use their hundreds of millions of endowments.
Why make the taxpayers foot the bill.  We didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 30, 2018, 09:06:54 AM
I'd make the university use their hundreds of millions of endowments.
Why make the taxpayers foot the bill.  We didn't do anything wrong.

I don't go around making endowment to major universities but I would guess those people probably attach some basic restrictions on what the funds can be spent on. 

Maybe they can set up a special fund for endowments for these payouts :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on April 30, 2018, 09:24:07 AM
Good idea. Wonder how many would step up..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 30, 2018, 12:20:45 PM
I'd make the university use their hundreds of millions of endowments.
Why make the taxpayers foot the bill.  We didn't do anything wrong.

Right or wrong, taxpayers always foot the bill.  How government works but you already know that.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on April 30, 2018, 04:10:32 PM
Right or wrong, taxpayers always foot the bill.  How government works but you already know that.

I don't like the idea of taxpayers footing the bill but it's a lot better than when our legislators set up a 'slush' fund of our money to make payoffs to keep their galfriends (and occasionally boyfriends) quiet...   

we need to start at the state level and get that outlawed soon (before prices go up)!!!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on May 03, 2018, 08:47:49 AM
They will probably model the system after the MCCA -  pay whatever is asked - and just bill the taxpayers!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 03, 2018, 08:57:04 AM
They will probably model the system after the MCCA -  pay whatever is asked - and just bill the taxpayers!

Maybe the state can put out a special 'Spartan Gold' license plate and charge $5000 a year for it! 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 03, 2018, 09:07:37 AM
Looks like they're going to throw some more years on Nassar!

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/police-reopen-7-sex-assault-investigations-involving-nassar (http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/police-reopen-7-sex-assault-investigations-involving-nassar)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 03, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
What's the point?  He's already in for life anyway.  Is that a 'feel good' thing or a waste of tax dollars??
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 04, 2018, 09:16:54 AM
What's the point?  He's already in for life anyway.  Is that a 'feel good' thing or a waste of tax dollars??

My guess (from what I've seen on TV anyway) is that they want a stack of convictions against him.  There is no doubt he will file an appeal or several appeals.  He doesn't have much else to do and he's probably already started the process.  On the longshot that he would win an appeal on one case or series of cases he would't then just automatically walk out of the slammer a free man.  He would have to win a series of appeals of all the various cases before he could get out.  It increases the odds.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on May 04, 2018, 09:39:20 AM
Sparty sends letter to NCAA saying they have no violations during Nasar tenure.  Really?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 04, 2018, 09:41:23 AM
Sparty sends letter to NCAA saying they have no violations during Nasar tenure.  Really?

I read something on that last night on my phone.  I think they're really looking for just anything 'good' they can say about their program.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 04, 2018, 10:05:45 PM
They need to look real hard as there isn't much 'good' there.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on May 05, 2018, 07:34:13 AM
Sparty sends letter to NCAA saying they have no violations during Nasar tenure.  Really?

I knew the suits would come up with something!
(https://larspsyll.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/head-in-sand.jpg)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 05, 2018, 08:46:53 AM
Getting in that position in East Lansing could very well cause you anal pain.... ;D
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 10, 2018, 10:26:42 AM
Engler hoping for a quick settlement!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/10/engler-nassar-victim-settlement/597480002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/10/engler-nassar-victim-settlement/597480002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on May 10, 2018, 11:20:27 AM
He can hope all he wants but with this many girls involved it's going to take a long time
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 10, 2018, 11:40:11 AM
Engler is a fool.
Title: Public relations firm wraps up work at Michigan State
Post by: BigRedDog on May 11, 2018, 07:46:00 AM
I'm not sure all the PR companies in the country could have helped MSU through this!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/public_relations_firm_wraps_up.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/public_relations_firm_wraps_up.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 11, 2018, 07:49:49 AM
Lots of articles online about the Karolyi Ranch down in Texas the last few days and even on TV. 

Texas has a 3 year statute of limitations so the damages down there are already somewhat limited. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 17, 2018, 09:52:08 AM
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There's no answer yet to the $500 million question: How will Michigan State University pay for the settlement?

MSU isn't saying.

In recent months, interim President John Engler has suggested that it may be financed in part by tuition hikes and/or Michigan taxpayers.



https://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/05/8e5b9fcf011891/michigan_states_500m_settlemen.html (https://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/05/8e5b9fcf011891/michigan_states_500m_settlemen.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 18, 2018, 08:38:27 AM
Mlive had a couple of articles yesterday.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/victims_to_drop_support_for_pa.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/victims_to_drop_support_for_pa.html#incart_2box_mlive_homepage_featured_entries)


Engler giving everyone a 'pep' talk about how strong MSU will be when this is all over!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/engler_says_michigan_state_wil.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/engler_says_michigan_state_wil.html)


Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 18, 2018, 09:21:10 AM
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MSU Special Counsel Robert Young said insurers could cover more than $59 million, a number he'd seen reported previously. Asked what the real ceiling was for what insurance could cover, Young told MLive he knew but it was "none of your business."


So much for being open with the taxpayers :o :o :o

Glad to see turning to the taxpayers isn't their first option!

I can't help thinking we're going to get hit sooner or later though :-\ :-\ :-\

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/msu_interim_president_engler_s.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/msu_interim_president_engler_s.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 18, 2018, 02:01:11 PM
When this is done, only thing 'strong' at MSU will be Engler's  BO.  If your son or daughter was graduating would you want them to attend MSU?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on May 19, 2018, 09:15:28 AM
Places MSU can and can't go to look for payout funds!

https://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/05/8505729ea65423/6_ways_michigan_state_could_pa.html (https://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/05/8505729ea65423/6_ways_michigan_state_could_pa.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: The Fuzz on May 20, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
I didn't know that about the endowments being untouchable. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on May 20, 2018, 05:34:12 PM
When this is done, only thing 'strong' at MSU will be Engler's  BO.  If your son or daughter was graduating would you want them to attend MSU?  I don't think so.

I heard they will have their largest class ever entering this fall.

Maybe they further lowered their admission standards to let more kiddies in to spread out that cost.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 20, 2018, 10:10:27 PM
I heard they will have their largest class ever entering this fall.

Maybe they further lowered their admission standards to let more kiddies in to spread out that cost.

Gave the group discount...lol
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on May 21, 2018, 09:13:08 AM
Places MSU can and can't go to look for payout funds!

https://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/05/8505729ea65423/6_ways_michigan_state_could_pa.html (https://www.mlive.com/expo/erry-2018/05/8505729ea65423/6_ways_michigan_state_could_pa.html)

Interesting read..   

So in fact - they have the $ sitting in the bank! 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on May 21, 2018, 07:30:02 PM
Looks like the kiddies will get to pay for some of it!

Quote
Interim Michigan State University President John Engler hopes to know within a month if and how MSU tuition will be impacted by the university's $500 million legal settlement in the Nassar controversy.

"My whole intent" is to have a recommendation going into the June 22 meeting of the MSU Board of Trustees, when the board is scheduled to set tuition for the 2018-19 school year, Engler told MLive on Monday.


http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/engler_to_know_soon_nassar_set.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/engler_to_know_soon_nassar_set.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on May 21, 2018, 08:05:18 PM
What a shame if they jack up tuition to pay for their stupidity..
And by all accounts they have a record enrollment looking at them.  If they jack up tuition that could change over night..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 22, 2018, 11:37:27 AM
Engler, being a good pot belled ex politician is good (and practiced) at diversion of funds.  let t he kiddies pay.  No issue with me.  Our membership to the U Club won't be impacted....  hopefully.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 05, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
This gal is a new reporter at the MonroeNews and a recent MSU grad.  She gives some interesting perspective to some of the points we've discussed over the last several months.

http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180604/caitlin-taylor-nassar-msu-scandal-hits-close-to-home (http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180604/caitlin-taylor-nassar-msu-scandal-hits-close-to-home)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 05, 2018, 11:34:45 AM
I see she has a nice tramp stamp on her arm...  acceptable in journalistic circles, not acceptable (or to be viewed openly) in a business enviroment.  She really didn't say anything of substance.  She will make a good reporter...lol
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 06, 2018, 09:38:48 AM
I see she has a nice tramp stamp on her arm...  acceptable in journalistic circles, not acceptable (or to be viewed openly) in a business enviroment.  She really didn't say anything of substance.  She will make a good reporter...lol

I've never heard anyone refer to an arm tattoo as a "tramp stamp".  I thought a tramp stamp was on the lower back.

As far as the substance of her article I doubt that us old geezers were her 'target' audience.

I'll bet if you were to sit down and discuss the topic with a bunch of twenty something (maybe even 30 something) gals you'd get a different review.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 14, 2018, 08:14:39 AM
I see that USC is having their own scandal.  So far 130 confirmed complaints but over 400 women have made complaints! 

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 14, 2018, 03:50:57 PM
USC?????
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 14, 2018, 03:51:35 PM
Tramp Stamp is ink anywhere on a female btw.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 14, 2018, 06:46:32 PM
USC?????

University of Southern California....

it's west of Adrian!

Tramp Stamp is ink anywhere on a female btw.

In all my years I've never heard anyone say that!

Here's an authoritative definition:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tramp%20Stamp (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tramp%20Stamp)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 14, 2018, 07:54:48 PM
Even some republican legislators jumping on the bandwagon to dump Engler!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/14/lawmakers-interim-msu-president-john-engler-must-go/703556002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/14/lawmakers-interim-msu-president-john-engler-must-go/703556002/)

Some behind the scene emails show how Engler got appointed in the first place!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/06/14/john-engler-jim-blanchard-michigan-state-university-msu-interim-president-larry-nassar/674508002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/06/14/john-engler-jim-blanchard-michigan-state-university-msu-interim-president-larry-nassar/674508002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 15, 2018, 08:42:54 AM
University of Southern California....

it's west of Adrian!

In all my years I've never heard anyone say that!

Here's an authoritative definition:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tramp%20Stamp (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tramp%20Stamp)

Authoritative or opinion.  I got my definition of from a Kansas City vice detective I know personally.  I'll stick with mine, you can stick with yours...  I'm not a tat person anyway.  When a tat gets old (as in old skin), they all look bad anyway.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 15, 2018, 09:40:56 AM
Authoritative or opinion.  I got my definition of from a Kansas City vice detective I know personally.  I'll stick with mine, you can stick with yours...  I'm not a tat person anyway.  When a tat gets old (as in old skin), they all look bad anyway.

I'm not  a "tat person" either in that I don't personally have one but I also am open minded enough to figure that people can make their own decisions about what they want to wear and adorn their body with. 

Tat history is interesting.  It got popular at first from our Navy sailors getting them overseas from what I can tell.  Several of the guys I was in the Army with had them. 

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 15, 2018, 10:09:38 AM
And now one of the MSU trustees is advocating for Engler to 'go away'!

https://twitter.com/MattMencarini/status/1007593642809229312
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 16, 2018, 08:22:34 AM
Engler is taking even more heat!

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/michigan_congress_members_crit.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/michigan_congress_members_crit.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 17, 2018, 03:23:01 PM
And now OSU had a doc in their past too!!!

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Sex-misconduct-claims-against-OSU-doc-includes-his-private-office-485775511.html (http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Sex-misconduct-claims-against-OSU-doc-includes-his-private-office-485775511.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on June 18, 2018, 09:53:50 AM
And now OSU had a doc in their past too!!!

[url]http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Sex-misconduct-claims-against-OSU-doc-includes-his-private-office-485775511.html[/url] ([url]http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Sex-misconduct-claims-against-OSU-doc-includes-his-private-office-485775511.html[/url])

Probably flew under the radar because the victims were men!   Surprised he didn't end up in a hospital -
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 19, 2018, 08:06:34 AM
Probably flew under the radar because the victims were men!   Surprised he didn't end up in a hospital -

Sounds like he was able to convince these guys that this was a medically necessary procedure.

He did ultimately 'off' himself so who knows exactly what drove him to that point. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 19, 2018, 08:34:30 AM
I see John Engler is trending on Twitter this morning!
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on June 19, 2018, 09:00:21 AM
Never did see the fit...  he's a conservative and they are a liberal school.   They needed someone strict and tough to come in - but now they want someone to coddle them and make the boogie man go away...
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 20, 2018, 09:32:56 AM
One way to hold your numbers 'down' is just to dissuade victims from filing a report!!!

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/OSU-to-eliminate--486020381.html (http://www.13abc.com/content/news/OSU-to-eliminate--486020381.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 21, 2018, 09:47:25 AM
The University 'obstructing' the investigation...

I just can't imagine that ;) ;) ;)

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/20/msu-obstructing-probe-prosecutor-says/720009002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/20/msu-obstructing-probe-prosecutor-says/720009002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on June 21, 2018, 10:23:07 AM
"The University 'obstructing' the investigation..."

Isn't that why the board hired Engler?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 21, 2018, 02:24:23 PM
"The University 'obstructing' the investigation..."

Isn't that why the board hired Engler?

Exactly.  That fat stooge is a professional when it comes to stonewalling.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 22, 2018, 06:28:26 PM
I wonder how popular these bonds will be?

https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/michigan_state_to_issue_bonds.html (https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/michigan_state_to_issue_bonds.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on June 22, 2018, 07:02:10 PM
I see the Board of Regents kept Engler around.

If I was him - I'm not sure I'd want to hang around and clean up the mess anymore.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 23, 2018, 05:17:26 PM
It appears to me that Engler is contributing to the mess rather than abating it.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 23, 2018, 05:23:46 PM
I wonder how popular these bonds will be?

https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/michigan_state_to_issue_bonds.html (https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/michigan_state_to_issue_bonds.html)

Probably not very unless the return on investment is substantial.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 29, 2018, 07:56:04 AM
Another strange move at MSU:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/29/michigan-state-title-ix-robert-kent/732249002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/06/29/michigan-state-title-ix-robert-kent/732249002/)

I read an article on my phone while I was waiting somewhere in the last couple of days.

It was regarding Engler and some of his 'slow to respond' complaints lately.

He says he has trouble handling his MSU job at times because he's in the process of building a new home...

in Texas!!!

Apparently he's not going to let Michigan tax his retirement either 8* 8* 8*


Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 29, 2018, 10:13:26 AM
Michigan taxing retirement proceeds (IRA) is bullshitte of the highest degree.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 29, 2018, 11:35:50 AM
I found the article.  It was older than I realized it was. 

That's quite the step up from Weidman to Texas ;D ;D ;D

https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/engler-building-my-new-home-in-texas-delayed-apology-to-nassar-survivor (https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/engler-building-my-new-home-in-texas-delayed-apology-to-nassar-survivor)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on June 30, 2018, 08:34:47 AM
Now I see why Engler is going to Texas...

Nassar's 'next round' is going to be down there!!!

https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/larry_nassar_ex-trainer_charge.html (https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/larry_nassar_ex-trainer_charge.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on July 02, 2018, 09:36:21 AM
Adding more staff to oversee the problems:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/02/new-msu-official-compliance-culture/746204002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/02/new-msu-official-compliance-culture/746204002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 02, 2018, 09:51:37 AM
Adding more staff to oversee the problems:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/02/new-msu-official-compliance-culture/746204002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/02/new-msu-official-compliance-culture/746204002/)

Typical
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on July 02, 2018, 10:20:28 AM
That's how to solve problems.  Throw money and resources at it
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 03, 2018, 06:49:29 AM
Always good to 'throw' money when it's not your money....
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on July 05, 2018, 06:25:12 PM
Things are heating up on some old 'allegations' from down in Buckeye Land!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fourth-ohio-state-wrestler-says-rep-jim-jordan-knew-about-n889071?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_np (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fourth-ohio-state-wrestler-says-rep-jim-jordan-knew-about-n889071?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_np)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on July 05, 2018, 08:53:09 PM
I found the article.  It was older than I realized it was. 

That's quite the step up from Weidman to Texas ;D ;D ;D


Been Golfing in the region for years and know the area of Weidman and Beal City  well! 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on July 05, 2018, 08:57:14 PM
Things are heating up on some old 'allegations' from down in Buckeye Land!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fourth-ohio-state-wrestler-says-rep-jim-jordan-knew-about-n889071?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_np (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fourth-ohio-state-wrestler-says-rep-jim-jordan-knew-about-n889071?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_np)

Wrestlers turning on their coach...  now that as good one. 

and the reason they are all turning -  is political..   not because they are attacking the school -  cause they never reported it...
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on July 08, 2018, 11:12:29 AM
Wow...

I'm going to 'confess' about my actions at MSU back when I was a teen and maybe they'll give me a check for $175G...

https://www.wxyz.com/news/former-msu-dean-william-strampel-retires-amid-sexual-misconduct-charges (https://www.wxyz.com/news/former-msu-dean-william-strampel-retires-amid-sexual-misconduct-charges)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on July 08, 2018, 11:31:50 AM
Yep, it's all political and Jordon probably a millionaire now so they are looking for $$$ as well as getting him out of office.  He's a pain in the *** to the liberals
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on July 17, 2018, 09:44:47 AM
Engler is now supporting the new AD that he originally said he would not support!!!

The AD is going to be a key person in all of this mess as the University moves forward.  At first he wanted an 'outsider' to be able to distance the person from the past poor performance and now he's turning around and putting in exactly who he first said he wouldn't.

(https://i.stack.imgur.com/TP9gg.jpg)

https://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/07/after_vowing_to_hire_outsider.html (https://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/07/after_vowing_to_hire_outsider.html)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 17, 2018, 04:33:17 PM
Engler reminds me of John McCain.  A has been.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on July 19, 2018, 09:54:42 AM
Engler reminds me of John McCain.  A has been.

It's that 'good old boy network' you talk about...

they may be 'has beens' but they can still attract a crowd and make lots of press.

Some of the Nassar victims got a little appreciation last night:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/18/abused-nassar-athletes-honored-espn/798612002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/18/abused-nassar-athletes-honored-espn/798612002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on July 19, 2018, 11:05:15 AM
A summary of the whole Nassar situation:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/03/08/larry-nassar-sexually-abused-gymnasts-michigan-state-university-usa-gymnastics/339051002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/03/08/larry-nassar-sexually-abused-gymnasts-michigan-state-university-usa-gymnastics/339051002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on July 27, 2018, 09:12:23 AM
Apparently MSU's insurance companies aren't paying MSU so MSU is now refusing to pay for the counseling of the victims that they promised to pay early on. 

Now is when the attorneys start to really make some money!!!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/26/msu-halts-counseling-payouts-nassar-victims-amid-fraud-claims/846156002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/07/26/msu-halts-counseling-payouts-nassar-victims-amid-fraud-claims/846156002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on July 27, 2018, 09:16:04 AM
Didn't take long for Nassar to become the victim in prison.  I'm sure it won't be the last time!!!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-gymnastics-doctor-larry-nassar-assaulted-prison-court-docs-says-n894516 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-gymnastics-doctor-larry-nassar-assaulted-prison-court-docs-says-n894516)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on July 27, 2018, 09:41:32 AM
Engler is now supporting the new AD that he originally said he would not support!!!

The AD is going to be a key person in all of this mess as the University moves forward.  At first he wanted an 'outsider' to be able to distance the person from the past poor performance and now he's turning around and putting in exactly who he first said he wouldn't.

(https://i.stack.imgur.com/TP9gg.jpg)

https://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/07/after_vowing_to_hire_outsider.html (https://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2018/07/after_vowing_to_hire_outsider.html)

LOL 

He's qualified for AD at MSU because he has a law degree 

Does that tell you they probably have more skeletons from the Title IX investigation on the other sports teams?
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on July 27, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
Didn't take long for Nassar to become the victim in prison.  I'm sure it won't be the last time!!!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-gymnastics-doctor-larry-nassar-assaulted-prison-court-docs-says-n894516 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-gymnastics-doctor-larry-nassar-assaulted-prison-court-docs-says-n894516)
He's lucky its Club Fed... 

State Prisons he'd probably be experiencing this daily
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on July 29, 2018, 12:12:07 PM
He's lucky its Club Fed... 

State Prisons he'd probably be experiencing this daily

In reality, he needs to 'experience' it daily or even hourly.  Hope they use a blunt broomstick. ;D
Title: Urban Express!
Post by: BigRedDog on August 17, 2018, 03:29:58 PM
Just saw this on Twitter!

https://twitter.com/TIM_MAYsports/status/1030522314155347970

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Just saw this headed toward Woody Hayes Athletic Center, but it turned out to be a premature indicator.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk0mksEUYAAjzfT.jpg)

I also saw earlier that the President at osu says they may not have their investigation completed by Sunday as they had originally hoped.  Apparently new info keeps popping up as they dig deeper 8* 8* 8*
Title: Re: Urban Express!
Post by: BigRedDog on August 17, 2018, 08:05:12 PM
The last I saw on Twitter the osu president says the report will be delivered to the board on Sunday but they may or nay not release their findings the same day.  I think they're just pushing for TV ratings now :o :o :o
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 23, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
I see Kalges or whatever her name is, just got indicted as an accessory to Nassar.  The beat goes on.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on September 12, 2018, 08:36:57 AM
And just when you figured it couldn't get any worse...

it got worse!!!

I wonder how many more 'incidents' like this will come out now?

https://nypost.com/2018/09/11/nassar-raped-impregnated-athlete-and-michigan-state-covered-it-up-lawsuit/
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on September 12, 2018, 10:24:48 AM
A more local article from the Lansing Journal on the rape allegation!

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/09/11/lawsuit-nassar-raped-msu-athlete-1992-george-perles-intervened/1264735002/ (https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/09/11/lawsuit-nassar-raped-msu-athlete-1992-george-perles-intervened/1264735002/)
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on September 12, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
I guess the NCAA didn't do a very good job investigating before they cleared sparyt of all wrong doing. 
IN the meantime the NCAA showed their teeth when they hammered Kentucky's mens and womens soccer teams for assembling a few members of each team to play a little game with a rock band that was performing at their university..
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: BigRedDog on September 12, 2018, 10:58:37 AM
I guess the NCAA didn't do a very good job investigating before they cleared sparyt of all wrong doing. 
IN the meantime the NCAA showed their teeth when they hammered Kentucky's mens and womens soccer teams for assembling a few members of each team to play a little game with a rock band that was performing at their university..

As much as MSU and the NCAA would both like this all to be over I've got a hunch it's going to be a long and bumpy road yet.  A few more heads will roll and that will bring out a whole new round of heads on the chopping block. 
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 10, 2018, 10:05:44 AM
read in the Blade that OSU has shelled out 1.5 mil already for their fiasco.  Unlike Nassar, their perp was a homosexual.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Professor H on November 23, 2018, 10:36:59 AM
I see the former President of  MSU is charged with Lying...     2 felonies and 2 misdemeanors

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/11/20/msu-michigan-state-lou-anna-simon-larry-nassar-criminal-charges/2068121002/ (https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2018/11/20/msu-michigan-state-lou-anna-simon-larry-nassar-criminal-charges/2068121002/)

Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: blue2 on January 18, 2019, 10:28:59 AM
Englers ego wouldn't allow us to believe he was fired so he tweets he is resigning.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: Monroe Native on January 18, 2019, 04:32:45 PM
Englers ego wouldn't allow us to believe he was fired so he tweets he is resigning.

I'm surprised he made it as long as he did.

They were gunning for him from day 1.
Title: Re: Sparty's sexual predator - ignored since 1997...
Post by: SidecarFlip on January 20, 2019, 08:13:31 PM
Engler looks like Brodreck Crawford in drag..... ;D  What a turd. He needs to go back to the hole he came out of.