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Title: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on April 26, 2018, 11:47:18 PM

I see the recreational marijuana subject will be on the ballot this Nov.

YES !

Get out there and vote people.
Support those fast food franchises. Help the tax base.
Besides, I’d rather hit the pipe, than ruin my liver.

Fuzz . . . You with me ?


Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on April 27, 2018, 08:52:23 AM
personally i don't care what people eat or smoke.
There are guys at the gym that smoke that stuff before they get there and then mostly act like idiots.  I'm not sure how they arrive safetly..
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on April 28, 2018, 02:17:27 AM
personally i don't care what people eat or smoke.
There are guys at the gym that smoke that stuff before they get there and then mostly act like idiots.  I'm not sure how they arrive safetly..
Its like alcohol - except they don't become violent idiots... 

of course many were that way before - it just comes out more.

Id rather see it legal - then the resources could finally be put towards the opoids - where people actually are dying and commit crimes. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on April 28, 2018, 08:02:01 AM
I'm in nails!   ;)

Going to the gym stoned?  Generally afterwards for me I head to the lazy boy with a bag of chips and dip and watch the Andy Griffith show and laugh at Otis and Barney!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on April 28, 2018, 09:11:36 AM
I think we can throw all the money we have at the opoid crisis and as long as we allow the drugs to flow into the country it will consume the whole budget.
There are issues with the people using the hard drugs that need addressed.  Not just reviving them every day
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 28, 2018, 11:00:23 AM
CL and I will be a NO vote on the weed inititative.  Kind of moot anyway.  Federal Law makes it illegal to possess, cultivate or transport it.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on April 30, 2018, 10:10:37 AM
CL and I will be a NO vote on the weed inititative.  Kind of moot anyway.  Federal Law makes it illegal to possess, cultivate or transport it.
So your against choice of a less harmful option than Alcohol? 

No one says you have to imbibe!    but you could benefit from the taxes ;)     

Federal laws cover the crossing State lines -  and since we don't have federal police - its how States have been getting around that so far...
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on April 30, 2018, 12:19:10 PM
So your against choice of a less harmful option than Alcohol? 

No one says you have to imbibe!    but you could benefit from the taxes ;)     

Federal laws cover the crossing State lines -  and since we don't have federal police - its how States have been getting around that so far...

But we do.  Called Federal Marshals.

Tax wise I see no benefit.  Any taxes the pot yields will be squandered by Lansing.  Just like the lottery was supposed to help education.  Haven't seen that either.

My feeling on booze is, if you want to be a boozer, no problem with me, just don't drink and drive.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on June 20, 2018, 04:58:38 PM

Well, I see Canada just legalized recreational weed.
Kind of hope Michigan can do the same.
Seems like among other things, it might slow down the opioid usage.
The taxes collected would be another plus.
Other than the threat of obesity, I think it's safer than alcohol.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/canadas-senate-votes-to-legalize-marijuana/2018/06/19/ab346ea7-807a-4fd4-b08d-0757c9d8f76c_story.html?utm_term=.5ab0167dad64 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/canadas-senate-votes-to-legalize-marijuana/2018/06/19/ab346ea7-807a-4fd4-b08d-0757c9d8f76c_story.html?utm_term=.5ab0167dad64)

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on June 20, 2018, 06:47:49 PM
And maybe our jails would be less crowded.
I think the next logical thing to do would be to release anyone in jail for an offense that would now be legal if the ballot proposal passes--which it will by a handy margin.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on June 21, 2018, 09:06:54 AM
And maybe our jails would be less crowded.
I think the next logical thing to do would be to release anyone in jail for an offense that would now be legal if the ballot proposal passes--which it will by a handy margin.

I've been in a few discussions over the years on what 'might' happen when all out legalization might occur. 

One topic was that the local legal system would suffer financially due to the heavy impact from the loss of work and revenue. 

How far back should they go with removing the crimes from their records?

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on June 21, 2018, 09:13:53 AM
Not sure if they should take the offense off of their record or not. There are probably good arguments for both positions. I think for sure if you have charges pending or are in jail for a minor marijuana offense that would now be legal that you shouldn't have to live out your sentence.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on June 21, 2018, 09:30:02 AM
Not sure if they should take the offense off of their record or not. There are probably good arguments for both positions. I think for sure if you have charges pending or are in jail for a minor marijuana offense that would now be legal that you shouldn't have to live out your sentence.

Are there any breakdowns anywhere that show how much these minor offenders 'contribute' to the 'system' in the way of fines and costs as well as numbers over at the jail?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on June 21, 2018, 11:51:46 AM
I doubt theres a report but if you just look at the daily police reports you can assume that when pot is legal there's going to be a definite drop in revenue. There's not a lot of people in the county jail for possession I assume so it probably won't effect the jail population to any great extent.

Every time I see somebody that payed some ridiculous fine for possession of pot I want to reach out and slap them for not just getting their card.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on June 21, 2018, 12:11:52 PM
On a side note, the City of St. Louis is not prosecuting for offenders caught with less than 100 grams.  I was somewhat surprised since I would think if you were caught with 3.5 ounces while wandering around town that that amount would be intent to distribute.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 21, 2018, 02:19:49 PM
Well, I see Canada just legalized recreational weed.
Kind of hope Michigan can do the same.
Seems like among other things, it might slow down the opioid usage.
The taxes collected would be another plus.
Other than the threat of obesity, I think it's safer than alcohol.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/canadas-senate-votes-to-legalize-marijuana/2018/06/19/ab346ea7-807a-4fd4-b08d-0757c9d8f76c_story.html?utm_term=.5ab0167dad64 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/canadas-senate-votes-to-legalize-marijuana/2018/06/19/ab346ea7-807a-4fd4-b08d-0757c9d8f76c_story.html?utm_term=.5ab0167dad64)

Far as tax collected, I just look at that as more money for Lansing to squander.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on August 08, 2018, 04:08:57 PM
I'm thinking the ballot proposal will pass by a margin of 64 %

And there will be a lot of wasted money on both sides leading up to the vote.

I also have it on good authority that Randy Richardville is working for an anti marijuana legalization group.

Go figure !!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on August 08, 2018, 07:32:48 PM
OK, that's it!

I'm gonna go Maxine Waters onhisass next time I see him!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 08, 2018, 08:26:11 PM
I'm thinking the ballot proposal will pass by a margin of 64 %

And there will be a lot of wasted money on both sides leading up to the vote.

I also have it on good authority that Randy Richardville is working for an anti marijuana legalization group.

Go figure !!

That doesn't surprise me one bit!

In the beginning I thought he was going to do a pretty good job representing all of his constituents.  After I caught him out and out lying to me (to my face at that) I realized he was just another slick willie politician.  He did manage to sucker me out of a few donations along the way though.  In hindsight (which is always 20-20) shame on me for being so naive >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 08, 2018, 08:54:29 PM
Those the 'hit the pipe' won't be employed either and if they are and get a random, they are done.  Not in my best interests and I see the County Comissioners election was close, very close this time.  Sounds to me like the voters are saying something.... ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 08, 2018, 10:16:23 PM
Those the 'hit the pipe' won't be employed either and if they are and get a random, they are done.  Not in my best interests and I see the County Comissioners election was close, very close this time.  Sounds to me like the voters are saying something.... ;D

Please explain why that would matter to you.

I'm a strong believer in "live and let live".  I have a hard enough time taking care of my own business much less anyone else. 

I've had staff that I knew were 'using' but it never had any impact on their work or my business.  On the other hand I've had staff that were drunk 5 nights a week or maybe more.  They couldn't make it into staff meetings by 9 am and that did have an impact on my business.  We soon found those people a new place to work!!!

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on August 08, 2018, 10:21:43 PM
Had those problems where I worked. People that came in smelling or came in late were gone. But management went to treatment paid for by co. Not much different than today.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 08, 2018, 10:30:20 PM
Had those problems where I worked. People that came in smelling or came in late were gone. But management went to treatment paid for by co. Not much different than today.

My staff were all 'independent contractors' so I could not tell them what to do or when to do it (other than show up on time for staff meetings).  Our independent contractor agreement stated they had to produce a minimum revenue every year and not producing was enough cause for them to move down the road.

Didn't even need a bean counter to figure it out ;) ;) ;)

There are still a few of them out there that I actually get along pretty good with.

Again, if it's not impacting me I don't care what they do.  If it is impacting me then we figure out a way for it not to be impacting me!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on August 08, 2018, 10:33:34 PM
I still like being impacted now and then.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 09, 2018, 01:43:08 PM
Please explain why that would matter to you.

I'm a strong believer in "live and let live".  I have a hard enough time taking care of my own business much less anyone else. 

I've had staff that I knew were 'using' but it never had any impact on their work or my business.  On the other hand I've had staff that were drunk 5 nights a week or maybe more.  They couldn't make it into staff meetings by 9 am and that did have an impact on my business.  We soon found those people a new place to work!!!

Simple, I don't want that shitte in the township (grow and distribution).  I believe in live and let live as well, but don't put in it my face becauaue I instantly go from complacient to pro active.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 10, 2018, 10:30:49 AM
Every time I see somebody that payed some ridiculous fine for possession of pot I want to reach out and slap them for not just getting their card.

One reason I can see people not getting a card . . .

If you have a CPL, you wouldn't want to lose it, which I would assume you would do if
the Feds cross referenced the card holders with the CPL licenses. I know I wouldn't take that chance.
I can almost guarantee you'll never read of a pothead going apeshit and shooting up a place.
Worst thing a pothead would do is shoplift a donut.

But . . you can be a stumbling, fall down drunk, and still keep your CPL. 
          Just don't carry when drinking.



Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 10, 2018, 10:49:20 AM
Simple, I don't want that shitte in the township (grow and distribution).  I believe in live and let live as well, but don't put in it my face becauaue I instantly go from complacient to pro active.

You're a typical 'NIMBY' but the entire township might be considered a pretty big 'back yard'.

What is being proposed would be entirely legal under the new laws and none of the buyers would be criminals because it would no longer be illegal. 

Question:  How many 'illegal' grow and distribution operations are there currently in your township?  I don't have specific numbers but I attended a drug info class put on by the MCSD several months ago.  The highest concentration of 'grow' (and I assume they also distribute) operations in the county are in the row of townships west of US23 because there are fewer homes and larger parcels.  Easier to hide the operations.

So, apparently right now it's there and not many people know about and everyone involved is a criminal (technically).  Under the new law much of that will change.  It may take awhile to weed out all of the local grow operations but in other states where they have legalized it has led to a decline in illegal operations which was part of the original goal.

I've said before I don't have a personal interest one way or another but I do know a lot of veterans that suffer from various ailments that most claim can be treated with marijuana.  So, it will still be the same people in the area 'buying' but they won't be doing anything illegal so they loose the 'criminal' tag. 

Several recent studies show an increase in commercial real estate values in areas surrounding grow and distribute operations.  More traffic for one business translates to more traffic for most any other business.  I have not seen any studies on residential properties but I'm thinking most of the 'G & D' operations are going to be in rural or commercial/industrial areas. 

So far the Michigan Legislature has not taken any steps (at least that I am aware of) to require any disclosure of nearby 'G&D' operations, legal or illegal. 

It is interesting what they have required sellers to disclose though!   

Quote
8. Farm or farm operation in the vicinity; or proximity to a landfill, airport, shooting range, etc.?

You have to disclose if the home you're selling is in the vicinity of a "farm operation"!  Who would possibly want to live near a farm?  They're so nasty with odors and dust (I'm citing now from the Michigan Right to Farm Act which has nothing to do with this form other than they were both enacted by our fine legislators!!!

I still struggle with the words proximity and vicinity.  Way too vague but the legislature left it that wan intentionally because one person's proximity is not the same as the next person's vicinity.  The legislature says it is up to individual buyers and/or sellers to work these definitions out as per individual transactions...   whoa...   talk about double talk!!!

Airport...   is that the flying farmer that has a small plane in his barn that he gets out 3 or 4 times a year and goes flying from his grass airstrip...   or does that mean Detroit Metro?  I wouldn't want to live near Metro but i would like to have a small STOL plane and a STOLport.  Would fit nicely across the back field of our property.

How about a landfill...   do they mean active like down on the state line behind Menard's or do they mean the one that served Petersburg but they shut down in 1964?  Which one do you suppose is more dangerous?

Shooting range...   is that what Livewire operates (does he still run that?) or is that what the State Police have down the road from us.  Or does that apply to the guy that shoots out in their back yard sometimes? 

All of these words are intentionally left vague by the legislature and are only intended to get buyers and sellers talking and making sure the buyer is 'aware' of what's in the vicinity (is that 300 yards or 5 miles...  no one knows). 

Anyway, no mention at all about grow operations.  Apparently the smell of horse @#$% is more offensive than the smell of marijuana!!!

It will be interesting if the legislature decides to make any changes after the full legalization most likely happens.  I've always been curious why they didn't include and kind of 'suspected' illegal operation but that would probably open a big can of worms for local authorities. 

For the record the legislature has not made any changes to the Michigan Seller Disclosure Act since 2006.  I guess they've been too busy kicking that fix the roads can down the road >:( >:( >:(

Here's a link to the form I quoted above.  That line will be in about the middle of the 3rd page.  #8 under 'other items'.

For all you dirty old men that strained your eyes looking at the young gals in the skimpy attire (yes, I saw it too!!!!) there's a button at the lower right of the page to increase the size of the font or zoom in on the page I guess.

https://libertytitle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/FSBO-final-E-Lansing.pdf

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 10, 2018, 10:51:25 AM
One reason I can see people not getting a card . . .

If you have a CPL, you wouldn't want to lose it, which I would assume you would do if
the Feds cross referenced the card holders with the CPL licenses. I know I wouldn't take that chance.
I can almost guarantee you'll never read of a pothead going apeshit and shooting up a place.

But . . you can be a stumbling, fall down drunk, and still keep your CPL. 
          Just don't carry when drinking.

Will that change once Michigan (more than likely) allows recreational use? 

For the time being it's still going to be considered illegal by the Feds.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 10, 2018, 10:58:55 AM

But if MI allows recreational usage, you probably won't need any kind of card or registration.

So, unless you get arrested for the Federal charge of possession, no one knows anything.
And if recreational and medical use are allowed, I doubt anyone will be looking too hard for users.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 10, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
But if MI allows recreational usage, you probably won't need any kind of card or registration.

So, unless you get arrested for the Federal charge of possession, no one knows anything.
And if recreational and medical use are allowed, I doubt anyone will be looking too hard for users.

Yes, that's what I intended to say.  I see 'federal' border patrol cars almost every day and an occasional ICE vehicle. 

You'd be surprised how many ongoing FBI and US Marshal investigations are going on at any time in Monroe County. 

Still going to be a lot of illegal drugs in Michigan so I can see the potential for some 'overlap'.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 10, 2018, 12:10:43 PM
If you are so inclined, watch this video and then decide...  It's almost an hour long but really describes what happens to a community when the MM grow and dispensary operations move in...

https://vimeo.com/280127474
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 10, 2018, 12:16:19 PM
Candidly, I don't give to shilts either way concerning MM, or recreational MM or the legalities concerning them and I voted against the 911 surcharge like I said I was going to.  I will also vote against the Pot inititative. 

I consider it a gateway drug and watch the video and then make an informed decision.  You really want the crap, go for it.

Don't have a clue what a 'NIMBY' is and don't give a shitte about that either.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on August 10, 2018, 02:14:09 PM
Vote No.

No need to encourage more drug use
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 10, 2018, 06:18:12 PM
Guess the thing that basically bothers me about smoking dope is, as far as the government and private employers are concerned, it's a illegal drug so, if you want a job and test positive, no job and for those employed, all it takes is a random and your are done.

and...  It's neither proven or disproven that smoking dope eases some clinical symptoms of certain diseases.  In my view (and the video), smoking dope is a gateway to other drugs.

Reminds me of the Chinese opium dens and stupified people sitting around, high all the time and just being worthless.

It's not called DOPE for no reason.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on August 11, 2018, 07:39:10 AM
I'm voting Yes, and wearing my Dick's Sporting Goods shirt to the precinct.  I also hope that both adjoining properties to my house are leveled and commercially grown marijuana fields are put in.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 11, 2018, 08:46:18 AM
Candidly, I don't give to shilts either way concerning MM, or recreational MM or the legalities concerning them and I voted against the 911 surcharge like I said I was going to.  I will also vote against the Pot inititative. 

I consider it a gateway drug and watch the video and then make an informed decision.  You really want the crap, go for it.

Don't have a clue what a 'NIMBY' is and don't give a shitte about that either.



NIMBY = 'not in my back yard'. 

I don't 'want' it but rather I think adults should be able to make their own decisions about life and things that impact their own life.

I think the government has plenty of projects they could be doing a better job on (road repair for one major example) and should drop the efforts and uses of tax money to regulate marijuana.  The government has been at 'war' over it most of my life and they're obviously losing the war but continue to ramp up more tax money to 'fight' and regulate it. 

Where are all the 'lower taxes' people on this topic.  There could be major savings at every level if they truly wanted tax savings.

You never did answer my question as to how some Joe that lives 5 miles from you that smokes a joint and gets fired from his job IMPACTS YOU!  Seems to me that just opens up a job for someone that needs one. 

You say 'live and let live' and yet talk totally opposite.   a very mixed message.

If you are so inclined, watch this video and then decide...  It's almost an hour long but really describes what happens to a community when the MM grow and dispensary operations move in...

[url]https://vimeo.com/280127474[/url] ([url]https://vimeo.com/280127474[/url])


I'll watch the video if it's an objective view but just looking at the website of the sponsor I'm going to say it's not very objective. 

http://www.drugfreeidaho.org/ (http://www.drugfreeidaho.org/)

It was easy to find several 'reviews' of the video.  This is a good cross section of the typical opinion.

Quote
August 09, 2018 01:04 PM

Drug Free Idaho’s presentation of “Chronic State,” an anti-marijuana legalization documentary, at the Egyptian Theater on July 18, was too riddled with inaccuracy to be properly addressed in this 200-word forum.

Suffice to say, it was a well-produced mash-up of every “Reefer Madness” scare tactic since Nancy Reagan.

Legalize marijuana, it intones, means rampant murder, enslaved youth and homeless invaders.

The tax revenue, healed children and reduced opioid harms seen in legalized states? Illusions, it proclaims.

From the opening scare shots of blacks, hippies and kids smoking weed, through the sinister music and visuals of urban decay and nature befouled, to the closing implication of “hey, nice state ya got there, it’d be a shame if something happened to it,” “Chronic State” was as relevant to most legal cannabis as Foster Brooks and “Leaving Las Vegas” are to legal alcohol.

What remains unsaid, naturally, is that the video is arguing for the status quo: using taxpayer dollars to arrest and imprison marijuana users and growers. Arrest your college kid for smoking a doobie. Imprison a father growing weed to treat his kid’s epilepsy.

Drug Free Idaho’s tagline is “Working for a Drug Free Culture.” It’s a culture war, not a drug war.


There are plenty more out there but I have a hunch you wouldn't want to 'waste' your time reading them anyway. 

As far as 'does it help with pain'...

I know dozens upon dozens of veterans that tell me it does.  I met with several of them just a week ago and this is a topic that came up more than once. 

Some of them are disappointed that 'their country' has forgotten them and their war induced ailments and some are out and out upset that 'their country' continues to fight the one reasonable outlet they have!

If you want some objective opinions go spend some time with some of these veterans suffering from exposure to all of Dow's (Schuette's) fine chemicals. 

On a side note saw something on the late news (I was half asleep).  Monsanto got hit with a huge settlement yesterday in the same court that has hundreds more suits working their way through the system. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 11, 2018, 08:59:04 AM
Far as tax collected, I just look at that as more money for Lansing to squander.

How about we earmark all the tax collected go to road repairs and new roads?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on August 11, 2018, 10:31:35 AM
I point out that the legal "drug" kills more than this Illegal one... 

compare Alcohol to Marijuana and you'll see some large eye opening differences.

No one has died from overdose of one
No one gets violent on one
No one speeds when using one

One has properties that assist ill patients
One has properties that assist seizures 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on August 11, 2018, 10:34:30 AM
How about we earmark all the tax collected go to road repairs and new roads?
Makes too much sense therefore will never be an option !!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on August 11, 2018, 11:16:16 AM
Makes as much sense as overweight truck fines going libraries.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 11, 2018, 12:32:16 PM
Makes too much sense therefore will never be an option !!

Makes as much sense as overweight truck fines going libraries.

Then give the marijuana taxes to the library and the overweight truck fines to the road repair.

There...   fixed it!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on August 11, 2018, 01:44:21 PM
I don't drink much and don't do drugs but guessing alcohol has a bigger negative effect on driving than weed.  But then i again i hear weed makes you doppy and feeling like superman so I'm not sure that would allow one to drive either..
And to me it just seems if people smoke/eat/chew or whatever they do with mauijuana just to feel good because they are always in down mood, eventually they will want something stronger.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 11, 2018, 04:01:28 PM
I got the video second hand but the first recipient got it from the commander if the Monroe Post of the MSP, take it for what it's worth.

Don't care if you watch it or not but if you do, you might actually learn something, that is if you can.... ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 11, 2018, 04:02:55 PM
How about we earmark all the tax collected go to road repairs and new roads?

Won't happen,  Besides if the mandate passes, the tax collected will be minimal.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 11, 2018, 05:05:28 PM
But then i again i hear weed makes you doppy and feeling like superman so I'm not sure that would allow one to drive either..
And to me it just seems if people smoke/eat/chew or whatever they do with mauijuana just to feel good because they are always in down mood, eventually they will want something stronger.

Having done a fair amount of personal research in the past,
and having been around quite a few fellow researchers,
I can attest to the fact that your conclusions are totally wrong.

It absolutely does not give you feelings of Superman,
nor does it make you desire something stronger.

It will make most people calm and mellow.
It will alleviate nausea. It will help with pain relief.
You will drive slower. Reactions may be slower too, so don't drive stoned.
And you will probably get hungry. Ain't no probably to it. You will get the munchies at some level.

Alcohol and steroids are the culprits for feeling like badass superhumans,
and aggressive behavior / driving.


Fuzz . . . do you have anything to add?
Has anyone else researched this and have opinions?

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 11, 2018, 05:19:36 PM

For what it's worth, here's a link to some tax information related to Colorado.

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/revenue/colorado-marijuana-tax-data (https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/revenue/colorado-marijuana-tax-data)

I think it could be a substantial income for the state of MI.
Screw the libraries. Use it to fix the roads.

As they say " Pot for potholes ".

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on August 12, 2018, 08:56:04 AM
I'm voting no for a simple reason.

Laws made via ballot initiatives are typically not well thought out and all of the ramifications  are not considered.

Let the legislature pass the law! 

Michigan doesn't need another medical Marijuana type bill where we have to wait for the judicial to define what the law really means.

And oh yeah, Marijuana will still be a federal felony, no matter what the Michigan voters decide.

Employers will still not hire those that can't pass a piss test.

The state and federal legislatures need to fix those two points.   It can't be fixed with a state ballot initiative.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 12, 2018, 09:22:19 AM
Marijuana will still be a federal felony, no matter what the Michigan voters decide.
Employers will still not hire those that can't pass a piss test.

That may not be the issue you think it is.
Companies are relaxing the drug testing simply because
so many potential employees DO use weed for relaxation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-05/the-coming-decline-of-the-employment-drug-test (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-05/the-coming-decline-of-the-employment-drug-test)

Kind of like Prohibition. Tried it.  Didn't work. Public was against it.  Give up and tax it.

Which brings me to . . . alcohol.
Booze and cigarettes are OK because . . . lawmakers like to drink and smoke.
We know both are serious health threats. No question.
Why are they OK.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on August 12, 2018, 10:35:50 AM
That may not be the issue you think it is.
Companies are relaxing the drug testing simply because
so many potential employees DO use weed for relaxation.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-05/the-coming-decline-of-the-employment-drug-test (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-05/the-coming-decline-of-the-employment-drug-test)

Kind of like Prohibition. Tried it.  Didn't work. Give up and tax it.

Which brings me to . . . alcohol.
Booze and cigarettes are OK because . . . lawmakers like to drink and smoke.
We know both are serious health threats. No question.
Why are they OK.

So fix it in the Legislature.

Let them consider all the ramifications, write a coherent law that take it into account, and pass it.

Otherwise I guarantee the Courts will end up telling us what the ballot initiative means - just like the Medical Marijuana thing - that still isn't worked out.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on August 12, 2018, 11:05:38 AM
Most if not all large companies are going to prohibit drugs and alcohol on the shop floor as being to dangerous to all employees.
And the unions will then argue (they already do) that if it goes in the contract every employee of the company should also be prohibited from taking anything and will be subject to random tests. 
That's just the way it goes down.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 12, 2018, 11:41:47 AM

Of course they will prohibit drugs and alcohol on the floor.

The drug test for employment is now disqualifying the casual person who would smoke a joint on the weekend or even while watching TV at home after work. Just like the person who drinks a beer in the evening.

No one is saying you should be able to smoke weed while performing your job. Although I know of a couple people who go to the factory with rum and coke in their lunchbox.

No one can answer the question . . . why is it OK and lawful to smoke and possess cigarettes, which are a proven health hazard (to the degree that they have to print health warnings on the label). Why is it better to smoke 15-30 cigarettes a day, rather than smoking an occasional joint in the evening.
Why is it OK to drink booze. We know it is a major cause of auto accidents.

It's just a blatant double standard.

But like I said previously, Lawmakers like to drink, so it's OK.






Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on August 12, 2018, 12:55:15 PM
I’ve been told that marijuana stays in your system for hours.  So how do you tell when the person ingested the stuff. If you are sick and every doctor agrees  marijuana’s the right think you have a case. The rest of you I feel sorry for that you have to get high to get they the day
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on August 12, 2018, 01:18:06 PM
Depends on what you mean by "in your system"......in your blood system up to 60 days or so, as far as in "how long is a good buzz?......few hours max.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on August 12, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
It's just a matter of time before its legal.  Need more and more progressives in governments and judgeships.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on August 12, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
Yup, I agree.  I've said for years that the generational changes in public office would eventually become more pot friendly that would clear the way towards legalization.  It all started to become much more acceptable within the government ranks going back to the Clinton years.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 12, 2018, 09:29:52 PM
Depends on what you mean by "in your system"......in your blood system up to 60 days or so, as far as in "how long is a good buzz?......few hours max.

Want a real buzz. grab a hold of some bare electric wires...
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on August 13, 2018, 08:32:20 AM
I’ve been told that marijuana stays in your system for hours.  So how do you tell when the person ingested the stuff. If you are sick and every doctor agrees  marijuana’s the right think you have a case. The rest of you I feel sorry for that you have to get high to get they the day

the Tests are all F'd up... 

Alcohol goes out in hours
Heroin goes out in hours
Marijuana residue lasts 3-4 weeks... 

Which would you hire?   The alcoholic,  addict, or recreational user
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on August 13, 2018, 08:35:16 AM
I'm voting no for a simple reason.

Laws made via ballot initiatives are typically not well thought out and all of the ramifications  are not considered.

Let the legislature pass the law! 

Michigan doesn't need another medical Marijuana type bill where we have to wait for the judicial to define what the law really means.

And oh yeah, Marijuana will still be a federal felony, no matter what the Michigan voters decide.

Employers will still not hire those that can't pass a piss test.

The state and federal legislatures need to fix those two points.   It can't be fixed with a state ballot initiative.

The state had the opportunity...  and did what they do best -  NOTHING...

Can't get them to pass simple legislation for safety of firefighters -  why would someone think they would do this?

That's why ballot initiatives are the evil necessity of our land... 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 13, 2018, 09:19:52 AM
... and now we have to dorks and one will inhabit the governor's office.  How comforting.  It's amazing what things distill down to isn't it?

Kind of surprises me that the legislature even shows up.  I wonder if, during session, they can even find the rest rooms.... ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 13, 2018, 09:21:41 AM
the Tests are all F'd up... 

Alcohol goes out in hours
Heroin goes out in hours
Marijuana residue lasts 3-4 weeks... 

Which would you hire?   The alcoholic,  addict, or recreational user

Pee tests are.  Hair pulls aren't.  Hair pulls are like the annular rings in a tree trunk, tells all in detail.  Also expensive to perform.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on August 13, 2018, 12:44:48 PM
Pee tests are.  Hair pulls aren't.  Hair pulls are like the annular rings in a tree trunk, tells all in detail.  Also expensive to perform.
Most who need the "hair" test know this long before as its limited to some high profile, high end jobs...

The easy test is the piss test - and it discriminates...
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on August 13, 2018, 08:26:50 PM
Want a real buzz. grab a hold of some bare electric wires...

It's not even remotely the same! 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 14, 2018, 09:14:43 AM
I got the video second hand but the first recipient got it from the commander if the Monroe Post of the MSP, take it for what it's worth.

Don't care if you watch it or not but if you do, you might actually learn something, that is if you can.... ;D

Well that's not a very nice thing to say...

actually I could run off a fairly extensive list of my accomplished learning events through life but I think at this point only one of them is really relevant.

I've been participating in internet 'DISCUSSION' forums since they were just bulletin boards and I had to use my DOS operating computer and an external modem to dial up long distance calls to reach the bulletin boards.

One thing I learned early on while participating on those discussion boards was that eventually they turn into some kind of an argument board.  I've watched a lot of these arguments and even participated in a few myself. 

The one consistent thing I've seen over the years is the poster that has to resort to name calling and attacking the poster rather than the topic of discussion is essentially admitting they've 'lost' the argument!!!

Sure looks to me like you suddenly decided to attack 'me' rather than my view! 

At this point I'm not sure I even need to post anything else on the topic.



But, I will.  I'm not impressed at all about your name dropping on the source of the video.  It's very widely available online and there are plenty of reviews for and against the views it pushes. 

My wife has famiily that rank much higher in the MSP than a post commander. 

My son has a friend that is a US Marshal...   I'll see if I can get a comment from him but I'm guessing he will keep his personal thoughts on the topic as 'personal'. 

He enforces the laws on the books to the best of his abilities without getting emotionally involved.

I haven't watched the whole video yet but did see enough to realize that the video is short on facts and high on opinion.  It seems intended to work on emotions rather than give verifiable facts.  I often refer to this type of video as propaganda.  But, some people are obviously susceptible to propaganda or it wouldn't be out there in the first place.

See...    that's something I've learned! 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 14, 2018, 09:25:02 AM

    “ touché “


 By the way. I have a good friend who’s on the ATF SWAT team.

Doesn’t mean anything, just thought I’d play too.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on August 14, 2018, 09:26:51 AM
BRD  You're a veritable sponge !!

I'm told I am related to God !!  Or at least to Adam and Eve !!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 14, 2018, 09:29:35 AM
BRD  You're a veritable sponge !!

I'm told I am related to God !!  Or at least to Adam and Eve !!

I've been called a sponge before, but thank you.

NBC Megan Kelley (however you spell her name) is on right now discussing DNA and solving cold cases with some of the family tree sites.  Not sure I want to know who all I'm related to out there ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 14, 2018, 09:40:18 AM
Won't happen,  Besides if the mandate passes, the tax collected will be minimal.

Maybe Mr. MoneyBags can put a little more precise figure out there than 'minimal'...

minimal to you and your money is probably a lot more than a poor working stiff like me.

Please predict a more precise figure.


Would you say $5M a year?

$20M a year?

$50M a year?

Certainly no where near $100M a year!

$500M? 

"minimal' to one person can be a lot of money to someone else! 

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 14, 2018, 10:41:46 AM

Didn’t Pelosi refer to the tax cut $1000.  as “ crumbs “.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 14, 2018, 10:59:11 AM

Hovey said soft estimates for Michigan's tax revenue expectations are $100 million to $200 million. The coalition behind the ballot proposal is planning to hire a research firm for an economic impact study to present more solid figures, Hovey said.

Anecdotally, Hovey is optimistic that the tax revenue will be much higher: Michigan has the second-largest medical marijuana market in the country, and has a population that is nearly double the size of Colorado.


Or.     

https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/more-pot-and-lower-taxes-if-michigan-marijuana-vote-passes-fall-slideshow (https://www.bridgemi.com/quality-life/more-pot-and-lower-taxes-if-michigan-marijuana-vote-passes-fall-slideshow)

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on August 14, 2018, 11:11:55 AM
$100-$200 millions a year in tax revenue should mean we will get our tax money back from the people the government gives it to when they spend it on drugs
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 14, 2018, 12:48:35 PM
$100-$200 millions a year in tax revenue should mean we will get our tax money back from the people the government gives it to when they spend it on drugs

Contrary to common opinion low income people that receive various forms of assistance from the company do spend most of that money in a manner that does allow us to recoup taxes from it.  I would guess it's primarily sales tax but probably there are others too.  I know you think they just all stick in a 401K which now dwarfs yours but I don't think so. 

I know they buy plenty of auto parts to keep their older vehicles running because I stand in line and listen to them at NAPA and AutoZone quite regularly.  Those magic food cards only go so far.  I know they only buy lobster and steaks but then at some point later in the month they do go to Mickie D's and load up on burgers and fries! 

Have you ever studied exactly how many times a dollar circulates through a community when it's spent over and over and over again.  It's pretty interesting to watch and see just how much power one dollar can have, regardless if it came from someone sweating for it or the government just 'gave' it away. 

It's really not that much different than tax cuts for the rich.  I haven't heard you complaining that those are bad.

I have friends that made out very, very good when Betsy DeVos bought her two new yachts with her recent 'break'!!!  I think that took her up to 10 or 11 all told.

How many yachts do you own?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on August 14, 2018, 01:06:58 PM
Well I had a great experience with an ATF agent -  he said let me drive - I have a special license  :)


Taxes are always a quandry for the politicians -  who do they need campaign money from usually is one of the top answers of where it goes...
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 14, 2018, 11:04:11 PM
Maybe Mr. MoneyBags can put a little more precise figure out there than 'minimal'...

minimal to you and your money is probably a lot more than a poor working stiff like me.

Please predict a more precise figure.


Would you say $5M a year?

$20M a year?

$50M a year?

Certainly no where near $100M a year!

$500M? 

"minimal' to one person can be a lot of money to someone else!

One mans ceiling is another mans floor.  I promise I won't step on your head when I get out of bed tomorrow morning.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 14, 2018, 11:06:08 PM
I observe things that most people don't...  A hobby of mine.

Have you ever noticed that all the customer parking places at the discount auto stores are loaded with oil on the ground while the employee spaces are clean?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 14, 2018, 11:08:38 PM
Maybe Mr. MoneyBags can put a little more precise figure out there than 'minimal'...

minimal to you and your money is probably a lot more than a poor working stiff like me.

Please predict a more precise figure.


Would you say $5M a year?

$20M a year?

$50M a year?

Certainly no where near $100M a year!

$500M? 

"minimal' to one person can be a lot of money to someone else!

If you care to do a little research into the subject (instead of blowing wind), you might be able to ascertain the actual revenue versus the incurred liabilities.  I guess that is asking a lot from you though.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 15, 2018, 07:03:48 AM
One mans ceiling is another mans floor.  I promise I won't step on your head when I get out of bed tomorrow morning.... ;D ;D


Don't worry about it...  you definitely missed!

If you care to do a little research into the subject (instead of blowing wind), you might be able to ascertain the actual revenue versus the incurred liabilities.  I guess that is asking a lot from you though.

I don't have that much interest in the actual numbers but more curious in what your 'actual' projections.  If you never actually peg down at least a range it's pretty easy to come back in 3-4 years and say "Well I told you so". 

I'm just looking for an actual projection so we can see how accurate you are in a few years.  Right now your adjectives don't tell squat!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 15, 2018, 07:08:35 AM
If you care to do a little research into the subject (instead of blowing wind), you might be able to ascertain the actual revenue versus the incurred liabilities.  I guess that is asking a lot from you though.

You're still attacking my integrity versus putting out any actual facts or even a passionate position. 

You might as well be standing under a big sign that says you're losing the argument.

I've seen plenty of tax projections fall short in the past so I have no idea where you're getting your factual information.  I would say if you can accurately project this (not a big broad range that means different things to various socio-economic groups but an actual figure...   then YOU should be in Lansing!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 15, 2018, 09:46:42 AM
You're still attacking my integrity versus putting out any actual facts or even a passionate position. 

You might as well be standing under a big sign that says you're losing the argument.

I've seen plenty of tax projections fall short in the past so I have no idea where you're getting your factual information.  I would say if you can accurately project this (not a big broad range that means different things to various socio-economic groups but an actual figure...   then YOU should be in Lansing!!!

Win, loose or draw, only time will tell.  Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 16, 2018, 09:33:02 AM
Those the 'hit the pipe' won't be employed either and if they are and get a random, they are done.  Not in my best interests and I see the County Comissioners election was close, very close this time.  Sounds to me like the voters are saying something.... ;D


Just what does this 'something' you're hearing sound like?

I've crunched the numbers every way I can and I don't see the pattern you're seeing...  just what it is that you're seeing...

please expound upon your vision here!

Quote
Monroe County Board of Commissioners

District 1

Republican

David C. Hoffman = 1,409 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED

No Democrat candidates on primary ballot.

District 2


Republicans

Mark Brant = 894 - FINAL -WINNER

Richard Steckmeyer = 721

No Democrat candidates on primary ballot

District 3

Democrat

Jessica Paladino = 1,176 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY


Republican

Dawn Asper = 1,494 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY

District 4

George L. Jondro = 1,133 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY

No Republican candidates on the ballot.

District 5

Democrat


Jason R. Turner = 1,442 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY

No Republican candidates on the ballot.

District 6

Democrats

John Gonta = 441 - FINAL

Jerry Oley = 834 - FINAL - WINNER IN PRIMARY

Republican


Bill Kipf = 949 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY

District 7

Democrat

Thomas Rutledge = 1,149 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY

Republican

Gary Wilmoth = 1,457 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY

District 8


Democrat

R. Mark Ellsworth = 1,162 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY

Republican

Greg Moore Jr. = 1,484 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED IN PRIMARY

District 9

Republican

J. Henry Lievens = 1,572 - FINAL - UNOPPOSED


No Democrat candidates in primary



The above is from:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180807/how-did-monroe-county-vote-here-are-final-yet-unofficial-results (http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180807/how-did-monroe-county-vote-here-are-final-yet-unofficial-results)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 27, 2018, 08:42:44 AM
Apparently either no one sent flip's video to any of these people or they didn't buy into it.  At least a few members of the Davison family were in Law Enforcement over the years.

Ironically we were just our driving around on this parcel a couple of weeks ago.  Our youngest daughter had played 'Tball' there probably when she was little.  It is right behind the Sunoco gas station and is very visible from 75.  Weill be interesting to see how long it takes to push this through all the hurdles and get it into production. 

http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180826/city-of-luna-pier--approves-medical-marijuana-facility (http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180826/city-of-luna-pier--approves-medical-marijuana-facility)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 27, 2018, 08:56:14 AM
Just to make sure that the 'casual' observer understands the current scenario of Marijuana laws in Michigan.  Several years ago a 'Medical Marijuana' law was passed but the people as the legislature for whatever reason refused to enact anything even though a majority of the citizens were in favor of it. 

The November election will now have a 'recreational' law on the ballot since, again, our legislature has been so busy fixing the roads (NOT) that they just haven't gotten around to enacting a law that again it appears the majority of the citizens are in favor of. 

This new facility in Luna Pier will be built under the 'medical' law but I assume it won't take a lot to allow it to move into the 'recreational' use.  I'm not real sure on all that so if someone (maybe Maverick) can clarify on that.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on August 27, 2018, 06:48:11 PM
The recreational and medical will be completely seperate with completely separate rules. Probably part of the cynical master plan to keep it all so confusing that the authorities still have plenty of ammo to harass pot users of all stripes.

Here's the big thing that I see on this or any approved project:
This guy plans to spend what--several million getting up and running but must get re-approved every year by the local municipality. So each election could bring a completely new board and they could simply reject his annual renewal or decide to make Luna Pier an anti marijuana community again and he would have absolutely no recourse since its spelled out clearly that your authorization is only good for a year.
Who in their right mind would invest that kind of money knowing that your authorization is only good for a year at a time ?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on August 27, 2018, 06:53:52 PM
Who in their right mind would invest that kind of money knowing that your authorization is only good for a year at a time ?

Someone who smokes alot of pot would.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 27, 2018, 07:13:43 PM

Anyone have any educated opinions
on whether the “recreational” part will pass.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on August 27, 2018, 07:37:38 PM
My guess is by 65% or more. It will probably also be a near record turnout for a mid term election. I also predict it won't bode well for Republicans. Not many voters are going to vote for the marijuana initiative and then vote for Schutte-The most anti marijuana attorney general we have ever had.

I really believe the races in Michigan will have more to do with the fact that the marijuana initiative was on the ballot than anything else.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 27, 2018, 08:14:00 PM
The recreational and medical will be completely seperate with completely separate rules. Probably part of the cynical master plan to keep it all so confusing that the authorities still have plenty of ammo to harass pot users of all stripes.

Here's the big thing that I see on this or any approved project:
This guy plans to spend what--several million getting up and running but must get re-approved every year by the local municipality. So each election could bring a completely new board and they could simply reject his annual renewal or decide to make Luna Pier an anti marijuana community again and he would have absolutely no recourse since its spelled out clearly that your authorization is only good for a year.
Who in their right mind would invest that kind of money knowing that your authorization is only good for a year at a time ?

Luna Pier is between a rock and a hard spot for revenue as they're slowly tearing down the Consumer's Power Plant.  Unless someone buys that site and puts in something that will also pay a lot of taxes I think LP will be glad to have the marijuana money for some time into the future although, as you point out, anything is possible. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on August 27, 2018, 08:20:06 PM
There is likely to be a whole hoard of new voters this November..  I suspect they'll only care about voting for the marijuana initiative and could less about a bunch of crooked inept politicians.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on August 27, 2018, 08:59:11 PM
I agree. Luna Pier could use the money. So could a bunch of other communities in Monroe. That vote may not be the last word. Remember Carleton approved it at one meeting and flipped their decision at the very next meeting. I think they provoked some PTA mom angst. Same thing happened in London. It was all set to go through and they certainly could use the revenue too but too much push back from concerned moms mostly and of course in London there was politics at play between the board who was trying to do the right thing and a disgruntled citizen who did everything he could to make the supervisor and board look like evil people.
Politics sucks sometimes at any level of government.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 27, 2018, 11:09:00 PM
Luna Pier is between a rock and a hard spot for revenue as they're slowly tearing down the Consumer's Power Plant.  Unless someone buys that site and puts in something that will also pay a lot of taxes I think LP will be glad to have the marijuana money for some time into the future although, as you point out, anything is possible.

Sounds like a bee line of dopers coming north from the Buckeye to me.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on August 27, 2018, 11:10:03 PM
Just remember, you reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 28, 2018, 06:10:23 AM
Sounds like a bee line of dopers coming north from the Buckeye to me.

If you would have actually read the article you might have seen this:

Quote
When the property’s lease ended, a West Bloomfield-based information technology (IT) professional, who’s formerly of Luna Pier, jumped at the opportunity.

West Bloomfield is in Michigan...   nothing to do with "the Buckeye". 

I doubt the medical cards from Ohio will be valid in Michigan so exactly 'who' are these "dopers" of whom you speak?

The big benefactors will be Michigan's military veterans that are suffering from various military inflicted ailments that our government has been promising to 'help' for much of their lives.  Unfortunately it's just been another unfulfilled promise up until the point that these same veterans that served their country also had to step up once more and help get the medical marijuana laws passed in Michigan. 

Unfortunately, today there are still way too many people that never served that just don't get it.  I always wonder what their attitude would be if they were the ones that had served and been injured and could find relief from a 'natural' product vs. some chemical concoction with unknown side effects.  I'm guessing some will never see it because they were never there!!!

Just remember, you reap what you sow.

I'll bet the operator hopes so too.

The young man from West Bloomfield (which is way up north in MICHIGAN) plans to sow a lot of money into a perfectly legal business and I'm guessing he is expecting to reap a profit.

I don't see that as any different than someone who bales hay and sells it.  Hay is legal and so is the marijuana in Luna Pier now.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on August 28, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
Just remember, you reap what you sow.

Sure have, but the commercially grown stuff is much better!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 29, 2018, 07:12:57 PM
Will be interesting to see some of the clever names for these new delivery services!!!


https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/medical_marijuana_home_deliver.html (https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/medical_marijuana_home_deliver.html)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on August 29, 2018, 07:22:38 PM
High Home High Home

The Rolling Stone
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on August 29, 2018, 08:11:55 PM


We Fly , You’re High

The Dab Cab

The Delivery Joint

Speedy Weed

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on August 29, 2018, 11:40:34 PM
Grams coming over
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on August 30, 2018, 08:56:56 AM
Between band names and business names we have a lot of creativity left here on the forum!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on August 31, 2018, 01:35:13 PM
Grams coming over

LOL, good one!

Free Delivery to Petersburg area, unpaved roads don't bother us!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: FritzTheKat on August 31, 2018, 03:08:18 PM
Between band names and business names we have a lot of creativity left here on the forum!
Who wants to get fed their lunch by saying something intelligent?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: FritzTheKat on August 31, 2018, 03:14:24 PM
Unless it's a couple of coney dogs and a root beer...
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 02, 2018, 10:52:24 PM
Summerfield Towmship mailed out a questionaire concerning the cannibis issue to all registered voters....  I checked all the no boxes.  Raisinville, Township did the same.  Guess the no's were the majority there as well.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on September 02, 2018, 10:56:28 PM
I never got one !!  Are you sure it wasn't Lasalle twp ?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 02, 2018, 10:59:01 PM
If you would have actually read the article you might have seen this:

West Bloomfield is in Michigan...   nothing to do with "the Buckeye". 

I doubt the medical cards from Ohio will be valid in Michigan so exactly 'who' are these "dopers" of whom you speak?

The big benefactors will be Michigan's military veterans that are suffering from various military inflicted ailments that our government has been promising to 'help' for much of their lives.  Unfortunately it's just been another unfulfilled promise up until the point that these same veterans that served their country also had to step up once more and help get the medical marijuana laws passed in Michigan. 

Unfortunately, today there are still way too many people that never served that just don't get it.  I always wonder what their attitude would be if they were the ones that had served and been injured and could find relief from a 'natural' product vs. some chemical concoction with unknown side effects.  I'm guessing some will never see it because they were never there!!!

I'll bet the operator hopes so too.

The young man from West Bloomfield (which is way up north in MICHIGAN) plans to sow a lot of money into a perfectly legal business and I'm guessing he is expecting to reap a profit.

I don't see that as any different than someone who bales hay and sells it.  Hay is legal and so is the marijuana in Luna Pier now.

Of course the back story is, it's the mayor's son and the mayor is also involved financially.  Don't care what transpires in the city of Luna Pier.  I care what transpires in Summerfield Township.

It might be legal in Luna Pier but as far as the Fed is concerned, it's still illegal.  Nothing has change on that score unless you know something I don't.

If you want to smoke some hay, I'll oblige you anytime.  I imagine it's a bit harsh on your lungs though.

Bottom line here is, you want to be employed with a bona fide employer, you have to pass a drug screen and you won't pass smoking dope.  It's not called dope for no reason..
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 02, 2018, 11:00:55 PM
I never got one !!  Are you sure it wasn't Lasalle twp ?

Raisinville Township, Lenawee County, not Monroe, County.  Was in the Telegram this morning.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on September 03, 2018, 01:30:58 AM
Raisin twp
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 03, 2018, 08:23:42 AM
Smoke some hay, how absurd!

Misinformed people think recreational pot users can not pass today's drug test.  Bad assumption.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 03, 2018, 09:05:00 AM
Smoke some hay, how absurd!

Misinformed people think recreational pot users can not pass today's drug test.  Bad assumption.

I would imagine you know all the shortcuts and cheats...

You cannot beat a hair pull, but then you already know that.  I'm not misinformed at all.  Someday, you'll get dealt a bad hand and then you too will be unemployed.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on September 03, 2018, 12:05:25 PM
Still feeling sorry for people that have to turn to drugs to make it thru the day
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 03, 2018, 01:08:24 PM
Perhaps I haven't smoked outside the 6 month limit that a "hair" pull and just support use knowing how harmless it was as a recreational user.  You have no clue, but it's funny to rile you up about pot.  So, so easy.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 03, 2018, 07:46:46 PM
Have an on the job accident  and that triggers a hair pull at my place of employment.

If you fail the accident  is at fault  even if it wasn't  and you are most likely done.

I have seen  it happen.

Consequences are a *****.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 03, 2018, 08:35:11 PM
A chronic stoner would prefer a hair pull versus a pisstest.  You will see why with a little research.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 04, 2018, 10:04:14 AM
Raisinville Township, Lenawee County, not Monroe, County.  Was in the Telegram this morning.

If the writers at the Telegram are so geographically challenged that they don't know the difference between Raisin Township and Raisinville Township then maybe they need some remedial training.  Feel free to forward these to them!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raisinville_Township,_Michigan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raisin_Charter_Township,_Michigan
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 04, 2018, 10:14:42 AM
Summerfield Towmship mailed out a questionaire concerning the cannibis issue to all registered voters....  I checked all the no boxes.  Raisinville, Township did the same.  Guess the no's were the majority there as well.
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Why would they exclude tax payers and the other citizens from their survey? 

One way to get the results you want is to not mail a survey to the people that might answer it with a 'yes' when you're looking for a no! 

Actually if I lived in Summerfield and found out they had excluded all the non voters I think I'd probably be suing them!!!

The voters will get their say at the ballot box so why 'pre survey' them. 

Do they do that for electing officials too ??? ??? ???

It was my understanding that elected officials are elected to represent 'all the citizens' and not just the 'voters'!!! 

Whenever you start 'excluding' certain groups of people you have crossed the line to 'discrimination'!!!

How much would Summerfield have to raise their taxes to pay off a $20M lawsuit?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 04, 2018, 07:20:39 PM
A chronic stoner would prefer a hair pull versus a pisstest.  You will see why with a little research.

Not something  I need to waste my time doing Fuzz.

If you care to enlighten us great.

If you don't care to that is also wonderful.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 04, 2018, 09:54:48 PM
LOL, ok, jerk! 

Simple google......hair test works great and pics up long term, but I could smoke a doobie 3 to 5 days before the hair test and it not show up.  Piss test will detect almost immediately.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 04, 2018, 11:16:19 PM
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Why would they exclude tax payers and the other citizens from their survey? 

One way to get the results you want is to not mail a survey to the people that might answer it with a 'yes' when you're looking for a no! 

Actually if I lived in Summerfield and found out they had excluded all the non voters I think I'd probably be suing them!!!

The voters will get their say at the ballot box so why 'pre survey' them. 

Do they do that for electing officials too ??? ??? ???

It was my understanding that elected officials are elected to represent 'all the citizens' and not just the 'voters'!!! 

Whenever you start 'excluding' certain groups of people you have crossed the line to 'discrimination'!!!

How much would Summerfield have to raise their taxes to pay off a $20M lawsuit?

You don't (live here) and you won't (sue anyone).  You discriminate every day with your pandering statements.

No discrimination at all.  They (board) needed a cross section of residents to make an informed decision on opting in or out and registered voters was the obvious sounding board.

If you were so concerned, you would attend meetings.  I bet you don't even attend your board meetings unless you have a bone to pick, which is typical uninformed citizen actions.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 05, 2018, 03:28:40 AM
You don't (live here) and you won't (sue anyone).  You discriminate every day with your pandering statements.

No discrimination at all.  They (board) needed a cross section of residents to make an informed decision on opting in or out and registered voters was the obvious sounding board.

If you were so concerned, you would attend meetings.  I bet you don't even attend your board meetings unless you have a bone to pick, which is typical uninformed citizen actions.

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You don't (live here) and you won't (sue anyone).

Apparently you're having reading comprehension issues again.  Let me repost the relevent part of my original comment.

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Actually if I lived in Summerfield and found out they had excluded all the non voters I think I'd probably be suing them!!!

Go back and read it again...

slowly...

very slowly if you have to and I think you'll see that I never claimed to live in Summerfield.

As far as attending townhip board meetings I've been to township board and village and city council meetins in every municipaitliy in this county and a few in surrounding counties at one time of another.  You are correnct that I don't attend 'as many' township board meetings in my own township as I used to but that doesn't mean I'm not as informed as ever.  If anything I'm more informed now than ever with issues going on around the entire county and even up to state level.  Personal connections and the internet are wonderful for keeping informed.  Although you do have to listen to both sides of the issues and not be biased going in.

If your memory isn't failing you then you'll probably remember that I drove to a couple of the Karst meetings over there.  I even talked to you!!!  I also (when necessary) attend Road Commission meetings and County Board meetings.  Thinking back I don't ever remember seeing you at any of those!!!

Discrimination is fine if done within the confines of all levels of law.  I doubt you'll ever find where I have ever broken (or even give the appearance of) breaking any law. 

I still maintain that going to the voter roles does not give 'the good cross section' that you feel it does.  It gives a pre determined input because it was fairly simple to see how the voters would react because they've been voting.  For a true cross section you have to go beyond the voting roles.  One major problem with voting roles is it does not allow any business owner to vote on a related issue if they don't reside in the township.  I can pay $7K a year in property taxes and still have no say on how those $$$ are being spent in that municipaility.  And before you say I don't pay that in Summerfield I was only using that as an example.  If you want a good 'cross section' on a business issue and you actually WANT TO HEAR BOTH SIDES of the issue they they certainly should have included all the people who own commercial properties or even potential development sites within the townshp what they feel about the issue.  I'm guessing that they already knew how those people would feel and I'll bet many of them were not on your voting roles. 

Again, they only went to the voters because they could look at past results and 'predict' what the outcome would be.  NOT LOOKING at the opposing view does not get you a good cross section.  Unfortunately today in politics no one wants to even listen to the oppooseing view (apparently even the Summerfield Township Board) much less take the opposition into consideration. 

Again, if you really want to talk about 'uninformed' voters you only have to go as far as the recent 911 enhancement thread to see all the 'uninfomed' citizens that voted againtst that issue. 

Wait...

that might have even included YOU!!!







Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 05, 2018, 08:03:15 AM
Candidly, replying to you isn't worth my time.  I was as nice as I can be (really wanted to smoke your butt) but I didn't.  Done with this thread and you.  You can KMA.

My views and opinions are unchanged.  Have a nice life.  One less poster on MT now.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 05, 2018, 09:18:46 AM
Candidly, replying to you isn't worth my time.  I was as nice as I can be (really wanted to smoke your butt) but I didn't.  Done with this thread and you.  You can KMA.

My views and opinions are unchanged.  Have a nice life.  One less poster on MT now.

I'm sure you did want to 'smoke my butt' but you didn't...

because you couldn't. 

The facts are all on my side and you had absolutely nothing to argue with.  When any group is doing true 'open research' to determine opinions it is an absolute necessity to get opinions from a 'true' cross section of the community.  The moment you 'exclude' a particular group (in this case Summerfield Township's Board) was apparently looking for a 'slanted' opinion as opposed to an unslanted one.  How do you get the opinion you 'want'...   very simple.  Only send out questionaires to a narrow cross secton of your community.  In this case they chose to go with registered voters as opposed to say all taxpayers or all residents or all resudents with a known marijuana conviction.  Again, had they sent the questionaires to only business owners I believe it would have been probably an opposite view.  Going with hand picked responders gets you a hand picked response.  Very simple and it happens every day all around the country.  Once the desired results are 'verified' by the questionaires then they can wave the results in front of the rest of the community and tell them "this is what YOU want because this is what the results indicate you want"!!!  It even allows some of the members of the group that were most likely included in the 'selected' group to get on a local forum and 'wave the results' that this is what our community wants.  Not true...   this is what a narrow and hand picked group of your community wanted.  If I was in charge of narrowing a group I would first look at the election results for the last 20 years or so.  I could then have a fairly good idea of how my target group would answer certain questions.  Questions can even be 'altered' to make them appeal more to certain members within a group. 

Don't worry, this isn't anything 'new' and Summerfield didn't invent it.  Did they hire a 'consultant' group to help them with their 'research'?  Again, whenever a part of a group is excluded from the questionaire there is a reason and the reason is probably to avoid having their opinions taint the answers that the board was wanting to come out.

What we have witnessed here is a very typical internet 'forum discussion' gone downhill. I've been watching these discussions develop into arguments which develop into fights since the old 'dial up bulletin board' days.   

A casual observer can pretty well predict what the end outcome will be when one of the other members in the original arguments quits attacking with facts and starts attacking with opinions (and the fact that they will never, ever, ever change their opinion).  From there they begin to turn the attack to personal attacks on their opponent.  And then when you see the final "I'm taking my marbles and going home" they are as much as admitting that they were wrong all along. 

Frequently they stay away for a time and then return and play nice for a time and then go through the cycle again. 

And sometimes there will be a 'new' poster appear that surprising has almost identical opinons as the 'lost' poster.  In the long run it's still 'wash, rinse, repeat'...  the results are the same but the names are different! 

And sometimes they just stay away.  They are the only one that knows the value of their posts.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 05, 2018, 09:48:38 AM
Well stated BRD......intelligent debate is impossible when one decides to take it to a personal level and continue to speakoutoftheirass.  I laugh and play games with those posters......so easy to mess with.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 05, 2018, 12:12:51 PM
Well stated BRD......intelligent debate is impossible when one decides to take it to a personal level and continue to speakoutoftheirass. I laugh and play games with those posters......so easy to mess with.

I see he hasn't deleted his account yet.  My guess is he'll be back again with a few more personal attacks...

the old (and very, very predictable)...

I'm smarter than you are.

I make more money than you do.

My truck is bigger than your truck.

My tractor is newer than your tractor.

I have a bigger house than you do.

Just a few weeks ago he posted that he pays more in property taxes than I do.  Not sure how he went about actually verifying that info but I'm guessing if he did a little more digging he might see the error of his ways.  Other than my wife there is only one person that has any idea of what we own and how much we pay in taxes at all levels.  And his name isn't sidecar anything!

Really a shame to see him go as when he's being decent he has a lot of positives to donate to the forum but I've seen him drifting more and more negative the last couple of years.  Too bad the forum isn't moderated at least enough to nip these outburst in the bud.  I belong to several forums where he would have been given a 30 day 'cool down' a long, long time ago. 

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One less poster on MT now.

I guess if the forum dies now we'll know it was him holding it together all along ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monique on September 05, 2018, 08:21:44 PM

I guess if the forum dies now we'll know it was him holding it together all along ;) ;) ;)
I think that's actually YOU, Dawg. ;0)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 05, 2018, 09:44:53 PM
Well stated BRD......intelligent debate is impossible when one decides to take it to a personal level and continue to speakoutoftheirass.  I laugh and play games with those posters......so easy to mess with.

Well said......  JERK.

 ;)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 06, 2018, 09:26:48 AM
I think that's actually YOU, Dawg. ;0)

It takes more than one or two or three for a 'forum'...

otherwise it kind of turns into a 'blog by a few'!

I'm wondering if it's not just time to let it go and put the effort into something more worthwhile though :-\ :-\ :-\

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2018, 09:35:13 AM
There are an extremely low number of reasonable active participants at this point.
How does a forum Die off ??
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 06, 2018, 09:50:42 AM
There are an extremely low number of reasonable active participants at this point.
How does a forum Die off ??

Good question!

I've never been a participant on one that actually died. 

All the others I belong to are pretty focused on a particular topic.  Several on my work and more on my hobbies. 

Each and every one are moderated to some degree or another and generally require all posts to be somewhat on topic or at least relevant to the topic. 

Off topic posts generally get you a warning, then a 30 day time out and then you're just banned.  Of course with a little creativity it's easy to come back as a new personna until they get banned again and again. 

I've made posts here that would have gotten me at least the minimum warning on many of the other forums.

I look in on a few political ones now and then and those are the ones that seem to be the 'hot spots'. 

Sorry Mav, but I don't have any answers...   just plenty of questions myself.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on September 06, 2018, 10:05:53 AM

Is it worth trying to revive this forum, or is it easier to start fresh?

I can see where it’s easier to revive what already has a decent format, but it has to be promoted for a fresh start. This is probably a good time of year to begin. People will be inside more and more likely to be online.

The key to an effective restart though, is the forum needs to have a moderator who will keep it somewhat civil. Not censored, but to control some of the problems of the past, ( i.e. huge cut and paste, inuendos regarding identities, personal attacks ).

Anyway, that’s my thoughts on that.


Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on September 06, 2018, 10:25:39 AM
Bedford Now has a forum but nobody has posted for 6 months or more.
There is a fairly new web site https://bedfordmi.nextdoor.com/news_feed/
Maybe people that used the forum now go here.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: halo_girl on September 06, 2018, 11:20:08 AM
I'm wondering if it's not just time to let it go and put the effort into something more worthwhile though :-\ :-\ :-\

some of the stuff going on in the forum takes me back to high school days and quite honestly, it is because of some attitudes that I disappeared for a bit but I too am now thinking there are definitely more constructive things I can do with my time.  I am going to start putting more of my time into being creative and making my own cards and discovering new things.  I am almost 62 years old and quite frankly some of the back and forth in the forum just takes the fun out of it. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 06, 2018, 09:46:57 PM
some of the stuff going on in the forum takes me back to high school days and quite honestly, it is because of some attitudes that I disappeared for a bit but I too am now thinking there are definitely more constructive things I can do with my time.  I am going to start putting more of my time into being creative and making my own cards and discovering new things.  I am almost 62 years old and quite frankly some of the back and forth in the forum just takes the fun out of it. 

I was thinking  kindergarten.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on September 06, 2018, 11:43:06 PM
Now I just saw more posters to this than many things in a while -  it just isn't happening every day!

Probably cause this election isn't a heated as the last one 2 years ago! 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 07, 2018, 10:46:37 AM
Candidly, replying to you isn't worth my time.  I was as nice as I can be (really wanted to smoke your butt) but I didn't.  Done with this thread and you.  You can KMA.

My views and opinions are unchanged.  Have a nice life.  One less poster on MT now.

For the record and those reading this years from now (assuming it's still online at that point) SCF was back in just one day and posting on another thread. 

Again, I've seen these mental meltdowns on multiple forums and this one is following a general pattern. 

Poster 'resigns' from the forum hoping to have 30-40-50 posters immediately post that "no, we can't get along without you"...

and, just like in this case, when that doesn't happen then they're usually back in a few days and posting again.  There will some name calling and maybe even a few threats toward their perceived 'enemy' or enemies and then things calm down for a few months until the next mental meltdown. 

It's interesting that the ones that say they're 'leaving' almost never do and so many others just 'melt away' and are never heard from again :-\ :-\ :-\

And for the record flip...

there's only one a** I kiss and it hasn't been yours and isn't going to be yours! 

Nice to see you back...

I can honestly say it's almost like you were never gone ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 07, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
From Day 1!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 07, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
For the record and those reading this years from now (assuming it's still online at that point) SCF was back in just one day and posting on another thread. 

Again, I've seen these mental meltdowns on multiple forums and this one is following a general pattern. 

Poster 'resigns' from the forum hoping to have 30-40-50 posters immediately post that "no, we can't get along without you"...

and, just like in this case, when that doesn't happen then they're usually back in a few days and posting again.  There will some name calling and maybe even a few threats toward their perceived 'enemy' or enemies and then things calm down for a few months until the next mental meltdown. 

It's interesting that the ones that say they're 'leaving' almost never do and so many others just 'melt away' and are never heard from again :-\ :-\ :-\

And for the record flip...

there's only one a** I kiss and it hasn't been yours and isn't going to be yours! 

Nice to see you back...

I can honestly say it's almost like you were never gone ;D ;D ;D

My last comment on this thread...

I stated that I would not post again (on this thread) and this is it.  You have your opinion, I hjave mine and opinions are like aszzholes, everyone has one.  Some stink and some don't, depending on what has passed through them recently.

Of course I'm waiting for you to sue Summerfield Township, somehow I don't think you have the balls to or the money to either.

Talk is always cheap and you ought to know.  Again, I'm done with this thread and you as well.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 07, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
Is that "last post" number two? 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on September 07, 2018, 05:46:38 PM
I'm thinking someone needs to partake of the title of the thread...   it has a calming effect  :) 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 07, 2018, 06:57:14 PM
LOL......the mere thought of him high tickles my funny bone.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monique on September 07, 2018, 09:26:37 PM
Have a nice life.  One less poster on MT now.
That sounds like "sayonara" to me!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 07, 2018, 09:40:22 PM
That sounds like "sayonara" to me!

I know he's had reading comprehension issues for the last few months and not it appears his memory is going too.

He seems to writ one thing and then either have trouble comprehending his own words or he forgets he wrote them in the first place. 

Yes, "one less poster" sounds to me like he's threatening to leave.

Again, I see it on forums all the time...

say they're leaving and hope someone will beg them to stay...

sometimes they do and just like here...  sometimes they don't!!!

Then they crawl back and to pretend they never said (wrote actually) what is there in black and white! 

I'd be ashamed to admit I couldn't remember today what I wrote two days ago!!!

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 07, 2018, 10:04:21 PM
My last comment on this thread...

I stated that I would not post again (on this thread) and this is it.  You have your opinion, I hjave mine and opinions are like aszzholes, everyone has one.  Some stink and some don't, depending on what has passed through them recently.

Of course I'm waiting for you to sue Summerfield Township, somehow I don't think you have the balls to or the money to either.

Talk is always cheap and you ought to know.  Again, I'm done with this thread and you as well.


Ok, since your lack of reading comprehension is really starting to kick in again we'll go through it slowly...

very, very slowly,

yet again...

maybe it will sink in finally. 

I never said I would sue...

I said 'if' (do you know what 'if' means...   it's a short word so you shouldn't have any trouble googling it...

If I lived in that township.  If you actually think I live over there then you are the only poster on the board that doesn't know where I live.  Apparently you're becoming geographically challenged too...

you're not still driving are you?

As far as money goes...  you sure do seem to have a fixation on how much or how little money I have.  I think they call that an inferiority complex.  With all the issues I've diagnosed here in just a short time I would recommend you see a professional for a diagnosis...

and soon!!!

Why are you worried about my money when you're the one that's having to hold garage sales to raise money to pay for their dog meds.  Just write a check...  that's what we do!!!

In case you've forgotten (memory issues again?)  This has only been since last October so you really should be remembering the post...  I did :) :) :)

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Having another garage sale today and tomorrow. It's getting whittled down pretty well, I may be able to get my camper and pickup truck in the garage this winter..

Woohoo.

If you want to come out, just follow the signs in Petersburg to our place on McCarty Road.  Still lots of stuff to choose from, all cheap, including a Diebold floor safe on wheels, Maytag dryer in excellent condition, some long guns and all sorts of small stuff including 2 way radio's and hand tools.

Good day today, lots of retired folks came by and bought stuff.

Come on out from 10am until 4pm tomorrow.

All proceeds go to the Buddha fund to offset her med costs.


Above quote from: http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=31066.msg759483#msg759483 (http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=31066.msg759483#msg759483)

And for the record there are more than one organization out there that will probably be willing to handle a lawsuit for free.  Again, Google is your friend if you need one. 

So, about the money...

have I ever asked you for money.  If so I've definitely forgotten it but since I don't make a habit of borrowing money I doubt I've asked you and forgotten.

It appears the other way around.  Are you just trying to get me to say I have an excess of money so then you can hit me up for a few bucks? 

My Mom always taught me that it wasn't proper etiquette to ask someone about their money (or in your perception 'lack of money').  What did your Mom teach you?

I have a few more things to add but I'm going to give you a break so you can try to comprehend the big words.  Try Google...   I always google the big words I don't understand.  It makes the comprehension easier.

Now, that "if" word you're having trouble with is going to take some time.  I know it's multiple letters so it may take a bit for you to grasp the conceptl

Anyway, I'm going and post some more of my photos and let you work on what I've already posted.  I may even give you a day or two to work on it.

Then we'll lay out some guidelines by what you seem to think 'money' is and then we'll figure out how to compare!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 08, 2018, 02:48:17 PM
Wow.

Have you ever thought about writing a book?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 08, 2018, 06:05:05 PM
If he does, I could help with the title!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: halo_girl on September 08, 2018, 06:15:03 PM
If he does, I could help with the title!

If he does, I would buy it LOL
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 08, 2018, 06:55:49 PM
With title help from The Fuzz - how could you not buy it?

I'd personally be hoping for a signed copy!

 ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 09, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
Wow.

Have you ever thought about writing a book?


If he does, I could help with the title!


If he does, I would buy it LOL
With title help from The Fuzz - how could you not buy it?

I'd personally be hoping for a signed copy!

 ;D


Apparently you all have either missed or forgotten that I posted this back in March of 2017.

http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=31001.msg753341#msg753341 (http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=31001.msg753341#msg753341)

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I'm writing a book on MonroeTalks...

I need some help with naming it.  I'll give a free copy to anyone that comes up with the winning name.  Post the name here or email it to me.

My first thought was "Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll"...

but that one is sort of taken :o :o :o

Anyway, it will include some of the 'behind the scenes' happenings from MT...   the 'down and dirty' so to speak!!!

Along with the mystery of some of the anonymous posters... 

the attacks...

and it wouldn't be a good book without the adultery!!!

The only thing missing is a good homicide and I'm guessing that may not be too far in the future...

actually surprised it hasn't happened sooner!


So, get your creative juices flowing and help me 'name the book' 8) 8) 8)

If you have any suggestions of something you'd like to see included please post it although obviously space will be limited so all requests may not be honored...

And, sorry, but no requests will be honored to leave 'anything' out 8* 8* 8*
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 09, 2018, 10:31:30 AM
Yea, I remember that great discussion.....I believe we even discussed noteworthy topics over a breakfast or two.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 09, 2018, 10:38:48 AM
Yea, I remember that great discussion.....I believe we even discussed noteworthy topics over a breakfast or two.

Yes we did...

we need to do that again one of these days.

Lately I've been getting way more material on here than I can keep up with in my book 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 09, 2018, 10:58:44 AM
Sounds good.....lots of new fodder to add a chapter or two.   ;D

I'll let you know the next time I get into town.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 09, 2018, 12:13:54 PM
Sounds good.....lots of new fodder to add a chapter or two.   ;D

I'll let you know the next time I get into town.

That will work!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 09, 2018, 02:05:00 PM
I think Fry deserves his own book.

A Chapter wouldn't do it.

Whatever happened to Fry?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 09, 2018, 06:48:20 PM
No clue, he was a character for sure.  I understand why those who didn't like him feel the way they do, but he never did me any harm and we could debate without it becoming personal.  I miss a lot of the old characters that were once here, it used to be much, much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monique on September 09, 2018, 07:14:48 PM
I miss a lot of the old characters that were once here, it used to be much, much more enjoyable.
Cuzza me?? Cuzza me. ;0)

Who are you calling old?  >:(
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: FritzTheKat on September 09, 2018, 08:19:55 PM
You are missed Monique!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 09, 2018, 09:29:23 PM
Moaner.......you will always be too full of pissandvinegar to get or be old!

And yes, because of you and our senses of humor being near identical.  BTW, I still watch Big Bang Theory every chance I get. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on September 10, 2018, 10:07:59 AM
I think Fry deserves his own book.

A Chapter wouldn't do it.

Whatever happened to Fry?

They probably took his computer privileges away.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 10, 2018, 10:54:33 AM
They probably took his computer privileges away.

I'm wondering if the answer is in the obits.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on September 10, 2018, 01:51:29 PM
BTW, I still watch Big Bang Theory every chance I get.

I know its a silly show, but I love Big Bang Theory.

You have to start watching "Life in Pieces".   One of my new comedy favorites.
Also . . . Teachers.  Mature type silly comedy

Maybe we need a new Topic revolving around new TV shows.



Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 21, 2018, 06:40:11 AM
I thought of the fuzz earlier this morning.  One of the early morning news shows was talking about all the positive impacts that the recreational marijuana law changes are having across the country. 

One ad for a 'cannabis connoisseur'...

they need someone to 'grade' their products for approximately 16 hours a week and will pay $50/hour plus $200 (I think that was for a month) for 'expenses'!  I'm kind of curious just what the expenses might be :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 21, 2018, 08:26:38 AM
sounds like a good job for you.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on September 21, 2018, 09:24:37 AM
This is fun
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 21, 2018, 10:09:33 AM
sounds like a good job for you.

According to your posts I don't think I can afford to take the cut in pay!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 21, 2018, 10:16:49 AM
sounds like a good job for you.

and obviously you didn't have any trouble seeing my above post...

you've said probably close to a dozen times now that you're done with me but you sure seem to have trouble sticking with that. 

Quite often when people develop reading comprehension issues they also develop issues understanding even their own writing.  Another sign you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need to seek professional advice.

Be sure and let us know if he offers you your medical marijuana card as an option for treatment!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on September 21, 2018, 10:37:46 AM
There are guys i know at the gym that are all set to ask their doctors for medical marijuana.  So they can sell it.  One guy tells us he gets oxy refiled every 90 days for a "back" injury and he sells them for $1000.
Meanwhile he is bench 400 and squating about the same..
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 21, 2018, 10:42:04 AM
There are guys i know at the gym that are all set to ask their doctors for medical marijuana.  So they can sell it.  One guy tells us he gets oxy refiled every 90 days for a "back" injury and he sells them for $1000.
Meanwhile he is bench 400 and squating about the same..

Very entrepreneurial man...

always going to be someone 'gaming' the system! 

Some do it for a buck here and there and then there are some that do it for million$!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on September 21, 2018, 12:27:40 PM
Here's another question to ponder . . .

If you get a Medical Marijuana card, will that affect your CPL.

Same question if someone goes to VA and gets a PTSD diagnosis.
Might be something fairly benign, not a raving lunatic.

These are two things I wouldn't do at this time because of the possibilities of losing my CPL.

But I can be a full fledged alcoholic and still be allowed to carry with a CPL.

Something wrong with the double standard,
plus alcoholics are without doubt more aggressive than stoners.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 21, 2018, 12:44:25 PM
Here's another question to ponder . . .

If you get a Medical Marijuana card, will that affect your CPL.

Same question if someone goes to VA and gets a PTSD diagnosis.
Might be something fairly benign, not a raving lunatic.

These are two things I wouldn't do at this time because of the possibilities of losing my CPL.

But I can be a full fledged alcoholic and still be allowed to carry with a CPL.

Something wrong with the double standard,
plus alcoholics are without doubt more aggressive than stoners.

I'm beginning to think the most aggressive people are the teetotalers. 

Maybe they need to relax once in a while and get rid of some of that pent up aggression ;) ;) ;)

It's definitely going to take years for all these issues to get ironed out.  Right now it's baby steps but at least there is some movement in the right direction.  Eventually federal laws will get challenged and even later they'll all play nice with the state laws.

What will eventually happen is one federal law that takes care of everything.

A question...   assuming Michigan eventually passes the recreational law will that eliminate the need for the medical laws ??? ??? ???

Perhaps Maverick can weight in on that as he seems pretty well versed in what is going on with both.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on September 21, 2018, 01:14:16 PM
To the CPL question the dilemma is that marijuana is still federally illegal which makes it a crime. If you have a cpl and are in violation of a federal statute you are in possession of a fireman during the commission of a crime. Probably not where you want to be.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 21, 2018, 01:20:12 PM
Here's another question to ponder . . .

If you get a Medical Marijuana card, will that affect your CPL.

Same question if someone goes to VA and gets a PTSD diagnosis.
Might be something fairly benign, not a raving lunatic.

These are two things I wouldn't do at this time because of the possibilities of losing my CPL.

But I can be a full fledged alcoholic and still be allowed to carry with a CPL.

Something wrong with the double standard,
plus alcoholics are without doubt more aggressive than stoners.

I'm not sure exactly how the Michigan statute reads but in Ohio you can't even have a long gun in your vehicle if you've been consuming alcohol.  Kind of a very zero tolerance. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on September 21, 2018, 05:02:22 PM
To the CPL question the dilemma is that marijuana is still federally illegal which makes it a crime. If you have a cpl and are in violation of a federal statute you are in possession of a fireman during the commission of a crime. Probably not where you want to be.

I understand that part.
I was wondering if they would cross check the CPL list with the MM list.

I'm not sure exactly how the Michigan statute reads but in Ohio you can't even have a long gun in your vehicle if you've been consuming alcohol.  Kind of a very zero tolerance. 

Here again, I understand that.
I wasn’t talking about consumption and carrying.
My second question was regarding the CPL Application question about
have you ever been diagnosed with any mental health issues.
PTSD can be a pretty mild disorder, but technically you’re still labeled as diagnosed.

I would hate to have my CPL pulled for either of those reasons.

As to your question BRD, I don’t really see a need for the MM card if it’s legal to possess anyway.  Unless you travel to a state that doesn’t allow recreational use. Then you may need to show the MM card.




Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 22, 2018, 08:42:20 AM
I understand that part.
I was wondering if they would cross check the CPL list with the MM list.

Here again, I understand that.
I wasn’t talking about consumption and carrying.
My second question was regarding the CPL Application question about
have you ever been diagnosed with any mental health issues.
PTSD can be a pretty mild disorder, but technically you’re still labeled as diagnosed.

I would hate to have my CPL pulled for either of those reasons.

As to your question BRD, I don’t really see a need for the MM card if it’s legal to possess anyway.  Unless you travel to a state that doesn’t allow recreational use. Then you may need to show the MM card.

Seems like that 'should' fall under HIPAA privacy standards however I wouldn't be surprised that if you read the entire act you won't find a few loopholes.  If there are any it will be for the government to snoop through your records. 

Typical government rule...

no one can get into your records...

except us!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 22, 2018, 09:56:25 AM
I see the Michigan State Police, Lenawee County Sheriff , Monroe County Sheriff and all the local departments all came out in solidarity against recreational cannabis this week.  That should tell you something if you have half a brain but then maybe you don't.

I don't have an issue with medical cannabis but the recreational, big issue.  My hope is enough voters in this state realize the implications and vote it down..

As usual with anything political, the State cannot even gel the regulations concerning it.  (Neither can Ohio), everything is 'up in the air'.

Guess we will see in November,  I know what box I'm checking.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 22, 2018, 10:05:21 AM
Please specify what you believe the implications are, I'm curious?

And of course LE are going to be in solidarity, did you really think they would do otherwise and mess up some of their revenue stream?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 22, 2018, 10:16:02 AM
I see the Michigan State Police, Lenawee County Sheriff , Monroe County Sheriff and all the local departments all came out in solidarity against recreational cannabis this week.  That should tell you something if you have half a brain but then maybe you don't.

I don't have an issue with medical cannabis but the recreational, big issue.  My hope is enough voters in this state realize the implications and vote it down..

As usual with anything political, the State cannot even gel the regulations concerning it.  (Neither can Ohio), everything is 'up in the air'.

Guess we will see in November,  I know what box I'm checking.

That wasn't a bad post if you could have just passed on the personal insult...

but since you brought it up...

I guess if you had 3/4 of a brain you'd realize that everything you just posted was all about the money!

You've said yourself "follow the money" and you'll get to the truth.

All these people you're quoting are just trying to protect their budgets.  Once the war on marijuana 'ends' the jails will be sitting half empty.  They wont' need as many deputies or troopers or secretaries of patrol cars.  Stop and think about the wasted money over the last decades by the local, state and feds.  Literally billions upon billions of dollars.

Personally I have no personal interest one way or the other but I am a big supporter of 'freedom of choice' on all levels.  Anyone over the age of 21 should be able to make their own decision just like they do with alcohol. 

Decades ago we outlawed alcohol (Prohibition)...   only took 10 years or so for everyone to realize what a mistake that was.  The war on marijuana has taken a lot longer (mostly due to the pharmaceutical companies leading the fight) and we've wasted a lot more money fighting it!!!

Follow the money...   you'll find the truth!

But I understand that anyone who boasts about being 'close minded' is going to have trouble with this very, very basic concept!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 22, 2018, 11:12:47 AM
Please specify what you believe the implications are, I'm curious?

And of course LE are going to be in solidarity, did you really think they would do otherwise and mess up some of their revenue stream?

That's it...

right down to the dollar sign and the decimal point!

Again, it's all about the money! 

Just 'follow the money' and you'll find the truth!

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 22, 2018, 11:20:51 AM
Yup, and furthermore it protects and secures their jobs.  Of course they would support it, only someone naive and not get the big picture would call out that LE supports it.  It's like.....No Duh!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 22, 2018, 11:28:14 AM
Please specify what you believe the implications are, I'm curious?

And of course LE are going to be in solidarity, did you really think they would do otherwise and mess up some of their revenue stream?

Tell me how it relates to revenue stream for LE?  I'm curious.

Implications...  Just look at Colorado.  Again we have opposing viewpoints but this time, I'll exercise my viewpoint at the ballot box.

I will say that I'll leave the Governor boxes unchecked.  I don't care for either candidate.  Both are turds IMO.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 22, 2018, 11:30:40 AM
That wasn't a bad post if you could have just passed on the personal insult...

but since you brought it up...

I guess if you had 3/4 of a brain you'd realize that everything you just posted was all about the money!

You've said yourself "follow the money" and you'll get to the truth.

All these people you're quoting are just trying to protect their budgets.  Once the war on marijuana 'ends' the jails will be sitting half empty.  They wont' need as many deputies or troopers or secretaries of patrol cars.  Stop and think about the wasted money over the last decades by the local, state and feds.  Literally billions upon billions of dollars.

Personally I have no personal interest one way or the other but I am a big supporter of 'freedom of choice' on all levels.  Anyone over the age of 21 should be able to make their own decision just like they do with alcohol. 

Decades ago we outlawed alcohol (Prohibition)...   only took 10 years or so for everyone to realize what a mistake that was.  The war on marijuana has taken a lot longer (mostly due to the pharmaceutical companies leading the fight) and we've wasted a lot more money fighting it!!!

Follow the money...   you'll find the truth!

But I understand that anyone who boasts about being 'close minded' is going to have trouble with this very, very basic concept!!!

Knew I should have not opened your comment.  I'm a big boy and I don't need (or want) you to critique my comments.  You ain't God by a long shot (neither am I for that matter).  I'm not about to post a pre cleaned BRD correct reply because you want me to.  Just the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on September 22, 2018, 02:29:06 PM
I see the Michigan State Police, Lenawee County Sheriff , Monroe County Sheriff and all the local departments all came out in solidarity against recreational cannabis this week.  That should tell you something if you have half a brain but then maybe you don't.

I don't have an issue with medical cannabis but the recreational, big issue.  My hope is enough voters in this state realize the implications and vote it down..

As usual with anything political, the State cannot even gel the regulations concerning it.  (Neither can Ohio), everything is 'up in the air'.

Guess we will see in November,  I know what box I'm checking.

Interesting who was not there:
Monroe County Sheriff
County prosecutor
Township officials
County officials
Local judges

This was a staged event paid for by a billionaire, across the whole state that actually failed miserably. Some areas couldn't get anybody to participate.
Yes there are dangers to legalizing marijuana but there are many benefits also. The biggest one is that it keeps a ****-ton of regular taxpaying citizens from becoming criminals for smoking pot which is way way less dangerous than alcohol.
I don't see any protests trying to make alcohol illegal which if these same sanctimonious concerned citizens put effort to that cause at least they would be opposed to something really bad for you.

I still predict an overwhelming victory for the legalization initiative in November. You'll see more of this concerted effort to oppose but I don't think most people will be fooled by the rhetoric.

Cops and the courts should be worried about their cash flow when pot becomes legal.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: NewDawn on September 22, 2018, 04:00:47 PM
Interesting who was not there:
Monroe County Sheriff
County prosecutor
Township officials
County officials
Local judges

This was a staged event paid for by a billionaire, across the whole state that actually failed miserably. Some areas couldn't get anybody to participate.
Yes there are dangers to legalizing marijuana but there are many benefits also. The biggest one is that it keeps a ****-ton of regular taxpaying citizens from becoming criminals for smoking pot which is way way less dangerous than alcohol.
I don't see any protests trying to make alcohol illegal which if these same sanctimonious concerned citizens put effort to that cause at least they would be opposed to something really bad for you.

I still predict an overwhelming victory for the legalization initiative in November. You'll see more of this concerted effort to oppose but I don't think most people will be fooled by the rhetoric.

Cops and the courts should be worried about their cash flow when pot becomes legal.



I, too, noticed that the county and township wasn't there!! When this proposal passes, it will free up LE to do the more important investigations of all of the theft, robberies, heroin, meth, etc., in Monroe County. Don't worry, they will still keep the jail filled up, it will just be for other infractions. Like BRD said, FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 22, 2018, 04:16:33 PM
Interesting who was not there:
Monroe County Sheriff
County prosecutor
Township officials
County officials
Local judges

This was a staged event paid for by a billionaire, across the whole state that actually failed miserably. Some areas couldn't get anybody to participate.
Yes there are dangers to legalizing marijuana but there are many benefits also. The biggest one is that it keeps a ****-ton of regular taxpaying citizens from becoming criminals for smoking pot which is way way less dangerous than alcohol.
I don't see any protests trying to make alcohol illegal which if these same sanctimonious concerned citizens put effort to that cause at least they would be opposed to something really bad for you.

I still predict an overwhelming victory for the legalization initiative in November. You'll see more of this concerted effort to oppose but I don't think most people will be fooled by the rhetoric.

Cops and the courts should be worried about their cash flow when pot becomes legal.


But you do have a dog in the game so I understand your position.

If it passes, we can revisit this in a year or so and see where it leads to or don't.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on September 22, 2018, 04:26:20 PM
I see the Michigan State Police, Lenawee County Sheriff , Monroe County Sheriff and all the local departments all came out in solidarity against recreational cannabis this week. That should tell you something if you have half a brain but then maybe you don't.

I don't have an issue with medical cannabis but the recreational, big issue.  My hope is enough voters in this state realize the implications and vote it down..

As usual with anything political, the State cannot even gel the regulations concerning it.  (Neither can Ohio), everything is 'up in the air'.

Guess we will see in November,  I know what box I'm checking.

Well, since I have a whole brain, it probably doesn’t tell me the same as it tells you. The fact that the official LE stance is supporting the current law as written only tells me they want to keep their jobs and are expected to support the law. I’ll bet if recreational use passes, LE will change their responses accordingly.

One question I have for you ......
I’m assuming you’ve never smoked any weed. Why are you so adamantly opposed to it if you don’t understand it. Surely you aren’t judging weed use by watching things like the old movie “ Reefer Madness “.
It doesn’t turn people into burn out potheads unless they are on a loser track to begin with, and it’s not a gateway to hard drugs.
What is it you think is so bad?

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 22, 2018, 05:50:14 PM
Tell me how it relates to revenue stream for LE?  I'm curious.

Implications...  Just look at Colorado.  Again we have opposing viewpoints but this time, I'll exercise my viewpoint at the ballot box.


What implications in Colorado, please enlighten me?

Revenue stream.....well, the ilks of Luke Davis was to pocket and sell confiscated goods, but fine dollars go into a jurisdictional general fund that find its way back into the police fund?  Do you think that is possible, kind of like some states with truck fines?

I have exercised my rights at the ballot box for years and will continue to do so.....No Duh!

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 22, 2018, 08:17:27 PM
Monroe County Farm Bureau came out against the recreational cannabis ballot proposal yesterday.  On page 3 of the MN this evening.  Obviously they have a brain even if people on here don't.

I'd put the article on here but you can go read it yourself, if you can read that is....

So long as there isn't a pot store next door, I don't give 2 hoots.  Not that it would happen as I own the ground and homes on both sides of me.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 22, 2018, 08:33:48 PM
Hell FFF, I don't want a pot store next to me either!  I like my privacy just the way it is, and other than that I think I am protected by it same as you through zoning laws.  Your location is much more likely to have commercial growers near you than my place is too.

How much clout does the Farm Bureau have nowadays anyway, have they determined the results of any elections lately?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 23, 2018, 09:03:24 AM
Monroe County Farm Bureau came out against the recreational cannabis ballot proposal yesterday.  On page 3 of the MN this evening.  Obviously they have a brain even if people on here don't.

I'd put the article on here but you can go read it yourself, if you can read that is....

So long as there isn't a pot store next door, I don't give 2 hoots.  Not that it would happen as I own the ground and homes on both sides of me.

I don't know if they have a brain but they for sure have an opinion.  No idea how informed that opinion is but they are speaking out.  That's good.  Freedom of speech...   thank all the veterans you know that they can speak out and that you can speak out. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 23, 2018, 09:17:07 AM
Knew I should have not opened your comment.  I'm a big boy and I don't need (or want) you to critique my comments.  You ain't God by a long shot (neither am I for that matter).  I'm not about to post a pre cleaned BRD correct reply because you want me to.  Just the opposite in fact.

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I'm a big boy and I don't need (or want) you to critique my comments.

What an interesting comment from the dude that follows me around making critiques and comments.  You really do think you're entitled to 'superior' treatment in life don't you?  A perfect example of another one of your 'double' standards...

"don't do unto me as I've been doing unto you for a couple of years"!!!

Here's a good quote for you to ponder a bit...  "What goes around comes around". 

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I'm not about to post a pre cleaned BRD correct reply because you want me to.  Just the opposite in fact.

I would have been disappointed if you had...

would have meant I was losing my ability to 'play' you ;) ;) ;)

You're very, very, very predictable.  To the point that most anyone that has followed the forum for any length of time can also 'read you like a book'.

(https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/anyone-that-can-read-you-like-a-book-can-also-play-you-like-a-fiddle-84f56.png)


Now would probably be a good time to post your old standby "I'm done with you" come back...   I think this will be the 27th or 28th time.  Actually I've lost count you've made the promise so many times. 

It will be nice when you actually quit stalking me!


Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 23, 2018, 09:23:27 AM
Tell me how it relates to revenue stream for LE?  I'm curious.

Implications...  Just look at Colorado.  Again we have opposing viewpoints but this time, I'll exercise my viewpoint at the ballot box.

I will say that I'll leave the Governor boxes unchecked.  I don't care for either candidate.  Both are turds IMO.

Do you have a link to whatever it is you're referencing in Colorado?  I have no idea which of the many potential (at least in your mind) 'implications' you might be speaking of?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 23, 2018, 10:04:59 AM
Hell FFF, I don't want a pot store next to me either!  I like my privacy just the way it is, and other than that I think I am protected by it same as you through zoning laws.  Your location is much more likely to have commercial growers near you than my place is too.

How much clout does the Farm Bureau have nowadays anyway, have they determined the results of any elections lately?

Not much clout.  The reason I posted it =was to show that not everyone is in favor of the ballot inititative unlike the premise that BRD and you put forth.  In fact I know quite a few people that aren't.  Being a pseudo Democratic society we are, majority still rules so whatever the majority decides I accept.  No worry here either.  Any pot place will be located by zoning and township approval and that pretty much excludes this side of the township.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 23, 2018, 10:30:36 AM
Not much clout.  The reason I posted it =was to show that not everyone is in favor of the ballot inititative unlike the premise that BRD and you put forth.  In fact I know quite a few people that aren't.  Being a pseudo Democratic society we are, majority still rules so whatever the majority decides I accept.  No worry here either.  Any pot place will be located by zoning and township approval and that pretty much excludes this side of the township.

I see he skipped the link to his 'Colorado info' that he deemed so important... 

probably does't even exist except in his feeble old mind!!!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 23, 2018, 10:52:58 AM
Not much clout.  The reason I posted it =was to show that not everyone is in favor of the ballot inititative unlike the premise that BRD and you put forth.  In fact I know quite a few people that aren't.  Being a pseudo Democratic society we are, majority still rules so whatever the majority decides I accept.  No worry here either.  Any pot place will be located by zoning and township approval and that pretty much excludes this side of the township.

Well FFF, show me where I once posted that everyone is in favor!  The stats so far shows it should pass, but then again that is going to depend on voter turnout.  Open minded educated individuals, or old redneck foggies.

And thanks for regurgitating my statement that even if passed, there are limitations on where it can be grown and dispensed. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on September 23, 2018, 11:39:37 AM

One question I have for you ......
I’m assuming you’ve never smoked any weed. Why are you so adamantly opposed to it if you don’t understand it. Surely you aren’t judging weed use by watching things like the old movie “ Reefer Madness “.
It doesn’t turn people into burn out potheads unless they are on a loser track to begin with, and it’s not a gateway to hard drugs.
What is it you think is so bad?

He must have blocked me too, since he never answered my simple question.

Again I asked, what is it about weed that makes you so against it.
Don't give me the obvious cop-out that " it's against the law ". We know that.
I'm just trying to understand why people who are unfamiliar with it have such strong opinions of why it's BAD.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on September 23, 2018, 12:14:44 PM
I dont know if it's bad for you or not.  I believe the stories that people with severe injuries get to feel  better using pot.  That's a good thing if the pot doesn't do more damage than the illnesses or injuries.
But just to take pot to feel better is a cop out.  What else is wrong that one needs pot to cope with society?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 23, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
He must have blocked me too, since he never answered my simple question.

Again I asked, what is it about weed that makes you so against it.
Don't give me the obvious cop-out that " it's against the law ". We know that.
I'm just trying to understand why people who are unfamiliar with it have such strong opinions of why it's BAD.

I am not against it at all actually.  What I'm against the after effects of recreational pot and how it will impact not only the kids but the workforce and LE.  Medical, no problem with me.  That is regulated.

If it passes, we can look back and say it was a good thing or a bad thing but none the less, once it passes, it's here to stay, good bad or indifferent.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 23, 2018, 08:12:06 PM
I'm beginning to think that Fuzz and BRD are butt buds.  One posts the other posts in unison.  You guys have something going on or what.... ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on September 23, 2018, 08:46:45 PM
Well FFF (French Fry Flip), we are friends but not butt buds.  Just 2 reasonable people who don't have to result to wishing ill will on people, or attempt to force another person to abandon their positions and opinions.  It is really sad how high schoolish you have become, I'm embarrassed for you to be honest.  Don't expect you to care one way or the other, as I really don't care either.  You should consider some professional help.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 24, 2018, 08:32:10 AM
I'm beginning to think that Fuzz and BRD are butt buds.  One posts the other posts in unison.  You guys have something going on or what.... ;D

Now there's an 'original' insult...

I thought you were ignoring me!? 

And I suppose even if we were it really wouldn't be any concern of yours would it? 

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 24, 2018, 08:37:21 AM
I dont know if it's bad for you or not.  I believe the stories that people with severe injuries get to feel  better using pot.  That's a good thing if the pot doesn't do more damage than the illnesses or injuries.
But just to take pot to feel better is a cop out.  What else is wrong that one needs pot to cope with society?

You're basing your question on your own personal experiences.  Different strokes for different folks.  There are lots of people out there that may have bigger issues than you do or even ones with smaller issues that don't cope with them the same way you do.

As much as some might like to see a 'cookie cutter' world where everyone is 'just like them' I'm afraid they would soon get very bored. 

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 24, 2018, 08:49:25 AM
He must have blocked me too, since he never answered my simple question.

Again I asked, what is it about weed that makes you so against it.
Don't give me the obvious cop-out that " it's against the law ". We know that.
I'm just trying to understand why people who are unfamiliar with it have such strong opinions of why it's BAD.

I don't think there are many 'simple' questions for him anymore.  He's having trouble comprehending everything the last couple of weeks and it's getting worse!

There are some people out there that really don't care it it's illegal or good or bad...

they enjoy being 'big and powerful' and able to keep someone else from doing what they want to do.  All part of the "Well, I don't do it" so no one should do it.  All part of the people wanting everyone to look like them and act like them.  Again, a recipe for a very boring like! 

Live...

and let live!   

Even Flip says he's a live and let live guy and yet he's opposed to marijuana mostly because he doesn't use it!!! 

This is a case of actions speak louder than words.  He says he's one type of person and then all the actions he brags about are actions that indicate he is not that type of a person at all. 

He can't have it both ways even if he'd like to!

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on September 24, 2018, 09:26:12 AM
Well  yeah that is my view on using drugs to get thru the day.  I suspect a lot of other people have the same view.  I'll be voting no and so will they I think..
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 24, 2018, 10:03:57 AM
Well yeah that is my view on using drugs to get thru the day.  I suspect a lot of other people have the same view.  I'll be voting no and so will they I think..

And my view is an adult should be able to make up their own mind on how they get through the day.  I believe in 'live and let live'.  Marijuana is no worse than alcohol and probably a lot less detrimental in the long run.  We tried prohibition and that didn't work and we've wasted Billion$$$ on the 'war on marijuana' over the last 40 years or so and I don't see where we're winning that war either.  Just think of the taxes you've paid that could have been in your pocket!!!

Definitely we have opposing views which is one of the things that makes this the great country it's always been.  We can speak freely (well, some posters here don't think so) and hold open discussion (again, some posters here don't think so) and then 'vote' on election day. 

You and I both served our country in the military and these are the very basic concepts of 'why' we served. 

Another concept we served for was so that all those that did not serve would have the 'right' to free speech including getting on some local forums regularly and post anything they want to...   true or not true!

 

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 24, 2018, 03:39:59 PM
And my view is an adult should be able to make up their own mind on how they get through the day.  I believe in 'live and let live'.  Marijuana is no worse than alcohol and probably a lot less detrimental in the long run.  We tried prohibition and that didn't work and we've wasted Billion$$$ on the 'war on marijuana' over the last 40 years or so and I don't see where we're winning that war either.  Just think of the taxes you've paid that could have been in your pocket!!!

Definitely we have opposing views which is one of the things that makes this the great country it's always been.  We can speak freely (well, some posters here don't think so) and hold open discussion (again, some posters here don't think so) and then 'vote' on election day. 

You and I both served our country in the military and these are the very basic concepts of 'why' we served. 

Another concept we served for was so that all those that did not serve would have the 'right' to free speech including getting on some local forums regularly and post anything they want to...   true or not true!

Referring to yourself per chance?  Being a hypocrite has it's advantages I guess.  You run out of Ritalin maybe?

My reasons for opposing the passage of rec pot have nothing to do with anything personal.  The stats don't lie and neither do LE.  You want it, vote yes, if you don't, vote no, real simple and let the majority rule.  I can handle that just fine.  Obviously, you cannot.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on September 24, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
I understand that part.
I was wondering if they would cross check the CPL list with the MM list.

Here again, I understand that.
I wasn’t talking about consumption and carrying.
My second question was regarding the CPL Application question about
have you ever been diagnosed with any mental health issues.
PTSD can be a pretty mild disorder, but technically you’re still labeled as diagnosed.

I would hate to have my CPL pulled for either of those reasons.

As to your question BRD, I don’t really see a need for the MM card if it’s legal to possess anyway.  Unless you travel to a state that doesn’t allow recreational use. Then you may need to show the MM card.






It came up to a Deputy - the question was answered this way - 

MM registry doesn't come up on your data for traffic stops... 

they do ask you when you fill out the application however if you have one...
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 24, 2018, 06:13:54 PM
For those that think marijuana is worse than alcohol please post a link to articles that support your theory!!!

Here's a recent and very local article that shows the impact that alcohol tends to have on users.

http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180924/three-women-arrested-by-monroe-police-saturday (http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180924/three-women-arrested-by-monroe-police-saturday)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 24, 2018, 06:20:13 PM
Referring to yourself per chance?  Being a hypocrite has it's advantages I guess.  You run out of Ritalin maybe?

My reasons for opposing the passage of rec pot have nothing to do with anything personal.  The stats don't lie and neither do LE.  You want it, vote yes, if you don't, vote no, real simple and let the majority rule.  I can handle that just fine.  Obviously, you cannot.

Just post the stats...   you've been asked more than a couple of times now to post them!  Where are they?

Just post them and quit referring to them.

And, yes, stats can lie but we have to see the source of 'your' stats first...

Just post the stats!!!!

As far as the 'who' of who I was referring to had to do with the several comments I've received via private message over the last several days! 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on September 24, 2018, 07:54:06 PM
The best liars I know are statisticians.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 24, 2018, 08:48:14 PM
I put as much faith in any public opinion poll as I do on tomorrow's weather because weather forecasters and statisticians are both patent liars.

Where can I get a job to be paid to postulate without merit or substantive evidence?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 24, 2018, 08:58:25 PM
If you care to look back, I posted a link to the Colorado video that the Commander of the MSP in Monroe sent out plus the one from the Monroe County Farm Bureau and the net is loaded with the horror stories of commercial pot businesses and how they adversely impact everything from crime to workplace accident incidences.

Very few, if any Law Enforcement agencies are pro medical pot and none are pro rec pot.  I don't have to tell you that.  You can read, I think at least.  Obviously though, you are having issues engaging your brain and accepting what the facts are.

Your problem BRD is, you have blinders on, for whatever reason I have no idea and really I don't give a hoot.  Maybe you are a doper yourself or your kid or wife, again, have no idea and don't care.  What I care about is how it would impact our township, and the state I live in.

I'm done answering your comments.  get a life and go on.  f it passes, the majority has spoken.  If not that is it.  Either way, I'll accept it for what it is.  Until then, it is no longer a discussable subject with me.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on September 24, 2018, 09:56:31 PM

Very few, if any Law Enforcement agencies are pro medical pot and none are pro rec pot. 
I don't have to tell you that.  You can read, I think at least.  Obviously though, you are having issues engaging your brain and accepting what the facts are.

You might want to take a look at this if you don’t think any LE are PRO POT.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5876889be4b03c8a02d4f097/amp

I realize many aren’t, but many are.
My guess is that if polled anonymously, many more would give a thumbs up.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 25, 2018, 09:29:44 AM
If you care to look back, I posted a link to the Colorado video that the Commander of the MSP in Monroe sent out plus the one from the Monroe County Farm Bureau and the net is loaded with the horror stories of commercial pot businesses and how they adversely impact everything from crime to workplace accident incidences.

Very few, if any Law Enforcement agencies are pro medical pot and none are pro rec pot.  I don't have to tell you that.  You can read, I think at least.  Obviously though, you are having issues engaging your brain and accepting what the facts are.

Your problem BRD is, you have blinders on, for whatever reason I have no idea and really I don't give a hoot.  Maybe you are a doper yourself or your kid or wife, again, have no idea and don't care.  What I care about is how it would impact our township, and the state I live in.

I'm done answering your comments. get a life and go on.  f it passes, the majority has spoken.  If not that is it.  Either way, I'll accept it for what it is.  Until then, it is no longer a discussable subject with me.

LOL...  you've said that now a couple of dozen times!!!   Maybe one of these times you'll actually mean it! 

Your tape was so biased and obviously made to scare people.  I doubt very few people actually fell for that but obviously 'you' did. 

Quote
Your problem BRD is, you have blinders on,

And now you're showing your 'memory' issues...   I've said many times and you've also said you were a "live and let live" person and yet you apparently are only interested in trying to prevent other adults from doing what the want to do. 

If you really want to help people then start a movement to bring back prohibition. 

Just last night you posted how you enjoyed chasing halo-girl off the forum and if the vote fails for the recreational pot I'm sure you'll brag how you helped keep more people from making their own choices in life. 

Why do you think you should be looking out for everyone else in the world? 

Let them make their own mistakes!   

Live and let live.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 25, 2018, 10:02:28 AM
You might want to take a look at this if you don’t think any LE are PRO POT.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5876889be4b03c8a02d4f097/amp

I realize many aren’t, but many are.
My guess is that if polled anonymously, many more would give a thumbs up.

Only a guess on your part and understandable because you are pro pot (recreational) and I'm not.  Strictly conjecture both ways.  I don't read the Huff Post at all.  In fact, I only read Townhall and Hillsdale College and that is it.

None of that changes my stand or opinion on rec pot and it's future impact.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 25, 2018, 10:22:37 AM
Only a guess on your part and understandable because you are pro pot (recreational) and I'm not.  Strictly conjecture both ways.  I don't read the Huff Post at all.  In fact, I only read Townhall and Hillsdale College and that is it.

None of that changes my stand or opinion on rec pot and it's future impact.

I think I may see at least part of the 'why' you have such an opinion...   

when you get 100% of the info from one side it's pretty difficult to end up with anything but a very biased opinion. 

I know there are people like that because they're afraid to read any other view just in case they might figure out they've been wrong all along. 

Your reasons fro being opposed to rec pot are pretty weak...

don't want it next door even though you claim to own all the ground next door to you...   that's what I'd say is a 'non issue' then...

you're looking out for the kids...   this is all about adults...   100%...  voting age...   old enough to serve in the military...  old...   all the other things that real adults do!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 25, 2018, 10:38:25 AM
Lots of lurkers this morning...   people seem to love a bit of drama :)

Quote
69 Guests, 2 Users (3 Spiders)
Users active in past 15 minutes:
BigRedDog, The Fuzz, Google (AdSense) (2), Google
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on September 25, 2018, 11:05:45 AM
2 users,,,I'm signed in and have commented.  Wonder what it takes to be identified as a user
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on September 25, 2018, 11:32:43 AM
2 users,,,I'm signed in and have commented.  Wonder what it takes to be identified as a user

Interesting.
Same thing I’ve seen.
I’ve noticed my name never shows up as a user in last 15 min. after commenting.

Wonder how they come up with the numbers.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: BigRedDog on September 25, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Interesting.
Same thing I’ve seen.
I’ve noticed my name never shows up as a user in last 15 min. after commenting.

Wonder how they come up with the numbers.


Go to what most of us probably use as our 'front page':

http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php (http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php)

Go to the very bottom left hand corner of the page and it will show who is currently logged in.  Your name does disappear once you've logged off even if you've been logged on within 15 minutes.

So, if you post and then log off your user name will not appear...   even though your within the 15 minute range.  A quirk for sure.  But the software is free so the price is right!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: halo_girl on September 25, 2018, 11:52:36 AM
wow, I have been active in the last 15 minutes - woo hoo lol
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on September 25, 2018, 06:49:59 PM
2 users,,,I'm signed in and have commented.  Wonder what it takes to be identified as a user

A 'user' is a pot smoker.......lol
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 03, 2018, 01:00:45 PM
Front page story in the MN today about 'Smokefield Township' and the proposed pot outlet there.  Interesting reading.  We all know where I stand on it.  Nothing has changed on that subject and won't either.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on October 03, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
Sounds like some entrepreneurs in Ypsilanti learned that the feds still consider marijuana illegal.

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2018/10/dea_raids_marijuana_dispensary.html (https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2018/10/dea_raids_marijuana_dispensary.html)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 03, 2018, 07:50:28 PM
I see that happening in Smokefield Township as well.  It's all about getting rich on the backs of users.  Nothing more.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on October 10, 2018, 11:14:25 AM
Every LE related agency is coming out against Rec pot.  Another one in the MN today, this time an assistant prosecutor.  I see that if legalized, LE will start applying tests for it in traffic stops and accidents.

On a different note, my wonderful partner of 34 years CL, made the front page of the Dundee Independent today.  She's getting to be quite a popular figure in local politics.

She's against it too, as well as me.  I think it's going to be detrimental not only to the state but local government agencies as well.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on October 17, 2018, 08:37:08 PM
For your listening pleasure . . .

https://youtu.be/MxGNG-eAMqk

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on November 07, 2018, 09:09:09 AM
GO POT!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on November 07, 2018, 09:48:02 AM
GO POT!

I sincerely congratulate you that your drug of choice is now sort of legal in Michigan - even though it really isn't.

I hope you never get fired from work after a failed drug test.

Go Pot!
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 07, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
All downhill from here....

Guess that means LE will have to change their interrogation procedures for traffic stops from over boozing to over smoking pot.

Cannot wait.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on November 07, 2018, 11:30:02 AM
All downhill from here....

Guess that means LE will have to change their interrogation procedures for traffic stops from over boozing to over smoking pot.

Cannot wait.

Yep.

And there is no nice blow test to get objective data.

So now I get to share the roads with drunks, people looking at their cell phones, people talking on their phones, and people toking on a joint.

Outstanding.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on November 07, 2018, 01:12:49 PM
YES!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/marijuana/2018/11/07/marijuana-legal-michigan-convictions/1919598002/?from=new-cookie (https://www.freep.com/story/news/marijuana/2018/11/07/marijuana-legal-michigan-convictions/1919598002/?from=new-cookie)
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on November 07, 2018, 01:51:24 PM

So now I get to share the roads with drunks, people looking at their cell phones, people talking on their phones, and people toking on a joint.

Seriously, you really shouldn’t equate someone who took a couple hits of weed with someone who is drunk. Totally different effects.

Not advocating getting high while driving, nor driving while stoned, but using your list of things to be wary of, drunks and people paying attention to their phones are much more dangerous while driving.


Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on November 07, 2018, 02:06:14 PM

I’m wondering if south county areas will see
a large influx of Ohioans driving into Michigan to smoke legally?

Here’s a business opportunity,
open your house to Ohioans to visit and get high.
Have a $10 cover charge at the door.

Reminiscent of the ‘70’s when Ohio 18-20 yr. olds came to Michigan to drink.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 07, 2018, 03:18:37 PM
Seriously, you really shouldn’t equate someone who took a couple hits of weed with someone who is drunk. Totally different effects.

Not advocating getting high while driving, nor driving while stoned, but using your list of things to be wary of, drunks and people paying attention to their phones are much more dangerous while driving.

Sure about that?  I guess time will tell....

Some of the  stnoers I see have no business walking let alone driving.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 07, 2018, 03:22:17 PM
I’m wondering if south county areas will see
a large influx of Ohioans driving into Michigan to smoke legally?

Here’s a business opportunity,
open your house to Ohioans to visit and get high.
Have a $10 cover charge at the door.

Reminiscent of the ‘70’s when Ohio 18-20 yr. olds came to Michigan to drink.

Business opportunity my butt

Speaking of yacking on cell phones, This guy pulled up next to us on Carpenter road and Textile yesterday in a Tesla, yacking on his cell phone.  I thought those cars have hands free?  I know my lowly Focus does.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 07, 2018, 03:27:33 PM
YES!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/marijuana/2018/11/07/marijuana-legal-michigan-convictions/1919598002/?from=new-cookie (https://www.freep.com/story/news/marijuana/2018/11/07/marijuana-legal-michigan-convictions/1919598002/?from=new-cookie)

Don't be too smug about it.  You are are one the reasons the American car companies produce an overpriced product, because they condone smoking dope on breaks and stoned employees screw things up...

I'd be careful about boasting about your smoking habits.  All it would take is a call to HR and you'd be screwed big time as in unemployed and I know someone who knows who you work for.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on November 07, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
I was totally surprised by the number of people that voted for the marijuana issue.  It must have really stirred up the young crowd to go vote.  I run in an older circle 50 and up and have not talked to anyone that voted or said they would vote for legal marijuana..
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on November 07, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
Seriously, you really shouldn’t equate someone who took a couple hits of weed with someone who is drunk. Totally different effects.

Not advocating getting high while driving, nor driving while stoned, but using your list of things to be wary of, drunks and people paying attention to their phones are much more dangerous while driving.

I didn't give any commentary on what is the best and what is the worst of the lot.

Personally I don't want to share the road with anyone doing any of those things.

I believe driving deserves our full attention and our state shouldn't be impaired when we decide to hit the roads.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on November 07, 2018, 10:47:15 PM
I'm guessing the pudding pit parties will be lively next season! 

as far as the effects of the law on out of staters...  Ohio targets out of state plates  now they may stop and start on their own!   
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 08, 2018, 09:03:07 AM
I'm guessing the pudding pit parties will be lively next season! 

as far as the effects of the law on out of staters...  Ohio targets out of state plates  now they may stop and start on their own!

Sure do. Seen that play out countless times on the Ohio Turnpike.  Don't be black with Michigan plates and driving an expensive car because you'll be puled over and searched.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 08, 2018, 09:04:21 AM
I'm guessing the pudding pit parties will be lively next season! 

Whatever.  Time to outgrown adolescent habits.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on November 08, 2018, 09:38:38 AM
Use to be if you were just driving a vehicle with Mich plates you'd get pulled over for about anything on the stretch of highway from Findlay to Mansfield area..It was so bad that I always rented a car when going to Newark Oh.  And I always ask for one without Mich plates as there were a lot of them in the Avia/Hertz fleets in Toledo
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on November 08, 2018, 10:20:34 AM
Don't be too smug about it.  You are are one the reasons the American car companies produce an overpriced product, because they condone smoking dope on breaks and stoned employees screw things up...

I'd be careful about boasting about your smoking habits.  All it would take is a call to HR and you'd be screwed big time as in unemployed and I know someone who knows who you work for.

Firstly, fuckyou!  Do what ever you think makes you a man, I have no worries.  I haven't smoked in ages, but support the legalization.  Frankly, what needs to be unlawful that causes more harm would be booze.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 08, 2018, 12:03:14 PM
Firstly, fuckyou!  Do what ever you think makes you a man, I have no worries.  I haven't smoked in ages, but support the legalization.  Frankly, what needs to be unlawful that causes more harm would be booze.

I knew I'd get a snotty answer.  Being the little twerp you are, not unexpected, in fact it was expected.  I'm happy you support it.  I don't and never will.

Of course I'm not going to resort to telling you to FO.  Don't care. That just shows me the kind of twerp you really are.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on November 09, 2018, 08:29:02 AM
Social media full of comments by stupid people that were hyping the weed vote.  Most crying about how there are so many people that can be helped by using marijuana.  Yeah, why aren't they then?  They can obtain weed from a medical professional..But I'm sure that isn't there real concern.  They just wanted legal weed for everyone
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 09, 2018, 09:31:13 AM
Don't bother with social media.  I find it boring to read about whining idiots.

The State will have to do some serious work on prop 1.  Many segments are way to vague.

I think it's a mistake but no the state is stuck with it.  Time will tell.  I reserve my opinion until it all settles out.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: NewDawn on November 10, 2018, 06:53:45 AM
Don't be too smug about it.  You are are one the reasons the American car companies produce an overpriced product, because they condone smoking dope on breaks and stoned employees screw things up...

I'd be careful about boasting about your smoking habits.  All it would take is a call to HR and you'd be screwed big time as in unemployed and I know someone who knows who you work for.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Why in the hell would you say something like that??
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: The Fuzz on November 10, 2018, 08:24:12 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                               
Why in the hell would you say something like that??

I know, I know.......it's a combination of envy because I am educated, and the fact that he is barbarous, callow, and guileless.  If a person has an opposing view to his he has this childish behavior of name calling and wishing ill-will on you.  It's why a lot of the old regular posters seldom come on line anymore.  The proof is the waning participation level of the forum.

I go to a lot of OEM assembly plants, and many supplier parts plants and can't recall seeing pot smoked on breaks by blue collar workers, or it being condoned other than union protectionism.  Not saying it doesn't happen, I just have never seen it in the work place.  Not sure where he is getting his statistics that American car companies are producing overpriced product because they condone pot smoking at work - I see no evidence of that in the marketplace as American product has become much more competitive in world wide production.

Envy - he can't stand the fact that I am college educated and perceives me as stereotypical white collar which is a subset of the population he dislikes.  Little does he know I my job responsibilities are actually more blue collar than white.  I go from plant to plant resolving manufacturing issues through a combination of product and equipment design changes, implementation of improved technologies in production, and have saved my company millions of dollars in manufacturing efficiency enhancements.

I actually respect the man's mechanical aptitude and would have loved to worked with him on some of my challenges. His wife is one of the most articulate, charming woman I've ever met........problem is, him and I just don't get along because of my Left leaning position on some issues that he is far right on.  Kind of like Trump and CNN.  LOL

The childishness of threatening to contact my employer is reminiscent of another person that used to post here.  Totally unacceptable social behavior, but just the kind of person he is.  The kind of person that I do not socialize with outside of the workplace.

Very shallow person and insecure.......there, you have your answer.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 10, 2018, 08:36:07 AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Why in the hell would you say something like that??

Because I can...  Would I do that.  Life is a crapshoot.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on November 13, 2018, 05:36:15 PM
I know, I know.......it's a combination of envy because I am educated, and the fact that he is barbarous, callow, and guileless.  If a person has an opposing view to his he has this childish behavior of name calling and wishing ill-will on you.  It's why a lot of the old regular posters seldom come on line anymore.  The proof is the waning participation level of the forum.

I go to a lot of OEM assembly plants, and many supplier parts plants and can't recall seeing pot smoked on breaks by blue collar workers, or it being condoned other than union protectionism.  Not saying it doesn't happen, I just have never seen it in the work place.  Not sure where he is getting his statistics that American car companies are producing overpriced product because they condone pot smoking at work - I see no evidence of that in the marketplace as American product has become much more competitive in world wide production.

Envy - he can't stand the fact that I am college educated and perceives me as stereotypical white collar which is a subset of the population he dislikes.  Little does he know I my job responsibilities are actually more blue collar than white.  I go from plant to plant resolving manufacturing issues through a combination of product and equipment design changes, implementation of improved technologies in production, and have saved my company millions of dollars in manufacturing efficiency enhancements.

I actually respect the man's mechanical aptitude and would have loved to worked with him on some of my challenges. His wife is one of the most articulate, charming woman I've ever met........problem is, him and I just don't get along because of my Left leaning position on some issues that he is far right on.  Kind of like Trump and CNN.  LOL

The childishness of threatening to contact my employer is reminiscent of another person that used to post here.  Totally unacceptable social behavior, but just the kind of person he is.  The kind of person that I do not socialize with outside of the workplace.

Very shallow person and insecure.......there, you have your answer.

Wow.

I doubt very much that Flip gives two shits about what pieces of paper that you have that says you are smart, or feel inferior to you at his lack of papers that certifies that he is smart.

If you really think that, you just don't get him, and maybe you don't get others like him either.

By the way - the three smartest people I have ever met, and the best engineers for that matter - didn't have a piece of paper that said they were smart.  I would consider these guys geniuses in their areas, and none of them have any tolerance for sitting around in a classroom and reading what they are told to read and taking tests to prove that they comprehended the material.  Nope - they read books and learned how to do stuff because they wanted to do it - and do it right now - and they skipped the whole college experience.

I personally don't use "what degrees do you have" as a gage of how smart or capable someone is.

I generally just concentrate on can you get the job at hand done.

Long way of saying your rant is way off the mark.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 13, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
Never said I would rat you out.  Just suggesting that someone might.  I really don't care if you take a doobie and shove it up your butt.  Don't mean squat to me and as far as your papers go, I wipe my arse with paper all the time. 
Meas nothing to me.

I know quite a few engineer types and a bunch of them are book smart and procedure dumb.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on November 14, 2018, 11:14:36 AM
Well from the discussion - it appears some on here could use the mellowing effects  :) 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 14, 2018, 04:16:46 PM
I'm usually mellow unless agitated.  Then my mellowness turns into something else.  I'm a firm beliver in live and let live so long as you stay on your side of the fence that is.

You come in my yard, you abide by my rules.

My rules are simple.  You act like an ***, you get treated like an ***.

My views on Proposal 1 and the ramifications of it are simple.  It's not good for the state and that has been played out already in Colorado but people but people prefer to ignore that.  I think for their own self serving interests.

Not too worried about a recreational pot places opening up tomorrow.  It took the State of Michigan almost 10 years to finalize the regs for medical pot, I figure it will be at least another 10 years for finalization of recreational pot regs to be made law.  Until then the whiners will whine and the dopers will still get stoned.  Nothing changes.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Tim Heiss on November 15, 2018, 03:39:43 AM
People who already smoked will more than likely not change their habits. Those who didn't smoke before and could lose their job if they came up positive probably won't take it up now. Biggest change will be less people going to jail for possession and tax dollars eventually being made for areas that allow the sales.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 15, 2018, 11:44:35 AM
Don't see a tax dollar windfall for any entity but the state.  The law is written to favor Lansing.  Nothing new there.  Keep in mind that now, under Prop 1, you have to opt out or you are in so communities need to draft ordinances to opt out.

Like the comment the Woodstock Supervisor mad about Addison (was in the Telegram) "The reason Addison embraces the pot is because they are broke.  We aren't'"  Woodstock Township opted out.  Don't candy coat the obvious.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on November 15, 2018, 06:06:25 PM
Well from the discussion - it appears some on here could use the mellowing effects  :)

Are you suggesting a get together in the Puddin Pit?

 ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on November 15, 2018, 10:26:41 PM
Are you suggesting a get together in the Puddin Pit?

 ;D

A get together is long over due!   
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on November 26, 2018, 12:19:15 PM


Dec. 6

That is the date the State starts to go to hell. 
State legal possession starts on that date. +-


Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on November 26, 2018, 06:45:54 PM

Dec. 6

That is the date the State starts to go to hell. 
State legal possession starts on that date. +-


Which year?  May be legit but selling it will remain in limbo for years and as far as the Fed is concerned, it's not legit.  Ohio still hasn't set the regs for medical even though that passed 2 years ago.  Michigan will be even slower.

Michigan has been going to hell long before weed.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on December 03, 2018, 05:28:11 PM
Management went out of their way today to make sure everyone knows what the Substance Abuse policy is, and that random drug tests, or not so random drug tests are in the policy.

The timing doesn't seem to be random at all.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 04, 2018, 08:28:04 PM
I heard a rumor that the Topaz deal in front of the Road Commish on Ida West Road is dead.  Fine with me. Wonder who will sue who now?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 04, 2018, 08:29:03 PM
Management went out of their way today to make sure everyone knows what the Substance Abuse policy is, and that random drug tests, or not so random drug tests are in the policy.

The timing doesn't seem to be random at all.

You have nothing to be concerned about and I know that.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on December 06, 2018, 10:34:45 AM


Party on Mav.       Party on Fuzz.



Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on December 06, 2018, 03:24:05 PM
Party on nails.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on December 06, 2018, 04:53:04 PM
I have no issue with anyone using weed or alcohol as long as it has no impact on me.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on December 06, 2018, 05:42:09 PM
I have no issue with anyone using weed or alcohol as long as it has no impact on me.

Me either.

I just don't really trust those that use weed and alcohol to have very good judgement about what impact their behavior has on others.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on December 06, 2018, 11:16:38 PM
Me either.

I just don't really trust those that use weed and alcohol to have very good judgement about what impact their behavior has on others.

30 years - and I can attest one is much more "violent" when overdone...     

Let the tax $$ roll in...    already does in AA and other progressive places.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 07, 2018, 04:54:23 PM
I think the tax related revenue will be a helluva lot less than what is anticipated.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: FritzTheKat on December 07, 2018, 06:34:01 PM
Never should have been illegal.

Drug cartels just lost a source of income.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Monroe Native on December 07, 2018, 09:24:50 PM
30 years - and I can attest one is much more "violent" when overdone...     

Let the tax $$ roll in...    already does in AA and other progressive places.

My understanding is the ballot initiative included a nice super low tax rate.

Much lower than the other "legal" states.

What a deal for Michigan, don't you think?
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 08, 2018, 07:41:42 AM
I'm here to tell you all, there isn't much revenue in it but then you all will find that out...  after the fact.  The only thing that will come from it is stoned people driving vehicles, an increase in crime and the ever present whining about it.

Colorado, here we come. ;D
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: ytrewq on December 08, 2018, 09:16:55 AM
I half-heartedly voted against it because while the libertarian part of me says leave people alone, the practical part of me says its just going to be a big mess with it still being considered illegal at the Federal level and varying laws by state.

It'll end up like the Dotcom boom on a smaller scale.   There's a fairly set amount of money out there being spent and spreading it among more hands is just going to thin the profits.   There will be a big boom of businesses opening, then you'll start seeing them drop like flies when they find out the profits just aren't there.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 08, 2018, 12:03:42 PM
Meanwhile we get the stoners out driving around and LE developing conclusive tests for driving under the influence.

My big issue it the associated crime.  Keep in mind that it's illegal for providers to deposit any funds in a commercial bank so there will be lots of cash floating around and that attracts the criminal element.

Over in Morenci, they are buying up properties with their profits and then selling them to launder their money which is the only way they can do it legally.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on December 09, 2018, 09:59:51 AM
On a serious note . . .

I really don’t think you’ll see much change at all regarding the legalization of rec smoking. Most people who have a serious desire to use Weed, are already doing so. Weed has never been hard to find if you want it. Most of the people who waited until it became legal before using, are normal law abiding citizens. That’s why they waited until it became legal in Michigan. They aren’t going to turn criminal.

Weed isn’t something that you need to spend $20-100 a day to use. So it shouldn’t increase petty crime / theft. Those problems won’t go away, but you can blame ??, Heroin, meth, etc. I would bet an alcoholic spends much more money per day on booze, than you would spend as a recreational weed user.

Ohio people won’t come to Michigan for weed. They won’t be buying from retailers for quite some time, and if they buy from street suppliers, they might as well buy it locally. Why drive all the way to Michigan. Even after retailers are allowed to sell, my guess is, local street suppliers will be much cheaper.

All in all, I just don’t think the new law will change much.



Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 09, 2018, 07:00:06 PM
Guess we will see how it plays out.  I'm thankful it's not on my end of town.  I certainly don't want any of it near me.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on December 10, 2018, 12:11:13 AM
Anybody over 21 can grow 12 plants. You or any one of your neighbors. No local ordinance can prevent it from your side of town or any side of town. Your township can opt of of the more intense business side of the new law but not the right to grow 12 plants per 21 year old.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: ytrewq on December 10, 2018, 08:46:55 AM
You are in Dundee, no?   I guarantee its on "your side of town."   
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on December 10, 2018, 09:25:10 AM
Caregivers with the proper paperwork can grow 72. No local ordinance can stop them. Especially out in the country there are grows everywhere.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on December 10, 2018, 09:49:58 AM
Anybody over 21 can grow 12 plants. You or any one of your neighbors. No local ordinance can prevent it from your side of town or any side of town. Your township can opt of of the more intense business side of the new law but not the right to grow 12 plants per 21 year old.

I'm already debating on where to put my new garden this spring  :)     

Curious if  seeds from 1970's  will germinate  -   I've kept em for ages in a locked metal box outdoors from my college days... 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 10, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
You are in Dundee, no?   I guarantee its on "your side of town."

Dundee opted out btw., and no, we are in between Petersburg and Deerfield, halfway with a Petersburg mailing address. 
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 10, 2018, 10:02:51 AM
Caregivers with the proper paperwork can grow 72. No local ordinance can stop them. Especially out in the country there are grows everywhere.

Gives g Monroe County Sherriff something to look for in the summer (instead of tending to their assigned duties).....lol
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 10, 2018, 10:04:40 AM
I'm already debating on where to put my new garden this spring  :)     

Curious if  seeds from 1970's  will germinate  -   I've kept em for ages in a locked metal box outdoors from my college days...

So long as you kept them in a cool, dark place, should be all good.  Think I have some somewhere as well.  I'd start them in growing media indoors instead of in the ground.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Professor H on December 10, 2018, 11:18:56 AM
So long as you kept them in a cool, dark place, should be all good.  Think I have some somewhere as well.  I'd start them in growing media indoors instead of in the ground.

It will be interesting to see -   Not sure how today's plants compare - as it seems they've been modified.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: Maverick on December 10, 2018, 02:34:33 PM
It would be interesting to compare. I know a couple of growers that would welcome the experiment if you wanted to try.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 11, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
It will be interesting to see -   Not sure how today's plants compare - as it seems they've been modified.

The stuff we smoked when we were kids and the genetically modified stuff today are 2 different things.  Your 'seeds' are weak in THC compared to the cultivated weed today.

Hybrid weed is now in the 90% range of THC.  Your stuff is maybe 20%.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 11, 2018, 11:41:36 AM
It would be interesting to compare. I know a couple of growers that would welcome the experiment if you wanted to try.

It's a weed.  Easy to propagate at home.  Some peat pots, some potting soil, keep moist in  warm place and then a bit of N when they start growing.  Prof, if you need some N, I have a couple hundred pounds of granulated in the barn.

Don't need no stinking growers, do it yourself.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on December 11, 2018, 01:13:51 PM

I’ve been hearing for a long time about how much stronger today’s weed is compared to the 60’s and 70’s. So much so, that I was almost afraid to try it.

Well, I did my civic duty, and researched this by personally smoking two different strains of supposedly “good” stuff.

My conclusion.   
I didn’t feel that either strain was much different than what I used years ago.
Still got the munchies. Cottonmouth was still a side effect.
Felt relaxed and mellow. Had trouble following the TV show we were watching.
All in all. Everything was as expected.

No big deal. Not much different than years ago.
I’m just much older, but still enjoyed it.  2 thumbs up.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 11, 2018, 07:47:26 PM
I'll pass, for now.  Curious as to how LE will determine driving under the influence versus under the dope influence.
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: nails on December 11, 2018, 07:59:40 PM
Simple .... if they stop someone for driving 20 mph,
                 chances are they’re stoned.

             If they sit at a 4 way stop for more than 10 min,
              Chances are they’re stoned.

Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: blue2 on December 11, 2018, 09:10:43 PM
or on their cell phone
Title: Re: Recreational Weed
Post by: SidecarFlip on December 12, 2018, 09:53:02 AM
Simple .... if they stop someone for driving 20 mph,
                 chances are they’re stoned.

             If they sit at a 4 way stop for more than 10 min,
              Chances are they’re stoned.

Or their breath don't smell like Black Velvet....lol

Or the car has a cloud of smoke inside (Cheech and Chong)...lol