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Title: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on May 11, 2018, 12:46:01 PM
Not technically a business but generally any military installation gives the local economy a good bump!

A $50M construction project will definitely add some $$$ immediately and then ongoing operations will probably vary.

I'm trying to figure out exactly what a 'super' armory is.  The news on 13ABC mentioned that they would be fencing a huge field so sounds like it may involve vehicles.  Hopefully there will be more details after the official announcement which is slated for about 10 minutes from now in Dundee.

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/New-major-Michigan-National-Guard-development-comes-to-Dundee-482331041.html (http://www.13abc.com/content/news/New-major-Michigan-National-Guard-development-comes-to-Dundee-482331041.html)

http://www.misenategop.com/media-advisory-walberg-zorn-to-help-announce-major-michigan-national-guard-development-in-dundee/ (http://www.misenategop.com/media-advisory-walberg-zorn-to-help-announce-major-michigan-national-guard-development-in-dundee/)

Map link from above media advisory:

https://goo.gl/maps/emNnMR1a4rp (https://goo.gl/maps/emNnMR1a4rp)
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on May 11, 2018, 12:53:06 PM
This article just popped up.  It says the site is 44 acres but it also doesn't sound like they're going to start building right away!

Perhaps they'll put up a sign that says "Opening Soon" 8) 8) 8)

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/11/michigan-national-guard-dundee-super-armory/601789002/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/11/michigan-national-guard-dundee-super-armory/601789002/)
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on May 12, 2018, 10:13:46 AM
Article with video from the MonroeNews:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180512/dundee-super-armory-to-be-50-million-project (http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180512/dundee-super-armory-to-be-50-million-project)
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Maverick on May 12, 2018, 10:32:52 AM
Good spinoff income for the local economy but no tax base I assume because it's a government building.  Local hotels and food joints will benefit tremendously unless they build housing too in the compound.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on May 12, 2018, 10:48:34 AM
Good spinoff income for the local economy but no tax base I assume because it's a government building.  Local hotels and food joints will benefit tremendously unless they build housing too in the compound.

That would be my assumption.  I know in some cases the state does pay a small fee to local governments in lieu of property taxes but I'm sure if they do that in this case it will still fall far short of what normal taxes would have been.

Maybe this is what will fill up all those motel/hotel rooms they've built in Dundee in the last few years!

The info from the sale is already recorded at the Register of Deeds and it shows the purchaser clearly as the State of Michigan.

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2018R08563 WARRANTY DEED 05-11-2018 11:39 AM $600000.00 3 pages

Parties
MONROE BANK & TRUST GRANTOR
DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY & VETERANS AFFAIRS GRANTEE
STATE OF MICHIGAN GRANTEE

Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Maverick on May 12, 2018, 11:30:02 AM
PILT  Payment in Lieu of taxes. When the state buys the property in London for a state game area they agreed to pay PILT so maybe this is the same thing. Buildings and improvements may well be excluded. The facility in Grayling has housing for probably 10,000 people and if this is going to be used for training then they may build their own housing.
I can only compare what they are proposing to what I see in Grayling. It will be on a much smaller scale of course but sounds like it will definitely create some spin off benefits to the Dundee economy.
It might be an eyesore if it's surrounded my chain link and concertina wire.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on May 12, 2018, 11:53:13 AM
Looks like PILT is only for state owned property administered by the DNR which would include the London property. 

There may be some other forms of compensation for taxes on more urban state owned property such as the new armory but I can't remember ever encountering it. 

Here's some PILT info from the state website:

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The payments are made by the Department of Treasury, and only on those public lands administered by the DNR.

Above from:

https://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-350-79136_79262_80437---,00.html (https://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-350-79136_79262_80437---,00.html)
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 12, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
PILT  Payment in Lieu of taxes. When the state buys the property in London for a state game area they agreed to pay PILT so maybe this is the same thing. Buildings and improvements may well be excluded. The facility in Grayling has housing for probably 10,000 people and if this is going to be used for training then they may build their own housing.
I can only compare what they are proposing to what I see in Grayling. It will be on a much smaller scale of course but sounds like it will definitely create some spin off benefits to the Dundee economy.
It might be an eyesore if it's surrounded my chain link and concertina wire.

I bet it will be, silver fence and razor wire around the top....
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Professor H on May 15, 2018, 09:56:54 AM
Will be interesting to see what specialty will be on site -  that will decide the levels of security.

Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on May 15, 2018, 12:57:57 PM
Will be interesting to see what specialty will be on site -  that will decide the levels of security.

I assume Dundee probably has codes for fences but also wonder if a government project like this even has to follow any type of local building code. 
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Maverick on May 15, 2018, 01:47:31 PM
I'm thinking NO but they will probably try to get along. I'm sure Milan prison's fence isn't code compliant either.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: blue2 on May 15, 2018, 03:47:32 PM
I doubt that Cabelas got much crap from Dundee when they applied for a building permit..
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: livewire on May 15, 2018, 09:15:33 PM
I read in one of the articles that it would be about seven years before they obtained the funding from the feds to start PLANNING the facility.
It could be a boost to the local economy, but I don’t think it’s happening any time soon.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on May 16, 2018, 09:17:58 AM
I read in one of the articles that it would be about seven years before they obtained the funding from the feds to start PLANNING the facility.
It could be a boost to the local economy, but I don’t think it’s happening any time soon.

There isn't really that much else going on in the way of big development in the county so I look at as better than nothing.

Actually, when you read all the details there's no guarantee this site will ever see anything more than a 'Coming in 7 years (maybe)' sign.  There are are states and other proposed facilities looking for the same federal $$$. 

It was the state's idea that if they already own the land they might get higher consideration.  I read that as we may never see anything but an open field in Dundee.  But at least it will be 'shovel ready'!

You might want to try to score that mowing contract.

Or maybe SCF can put in a hay field.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on May 16, 2018, 10:12:02 AM
Wide ranging comments from the Dundee community on the local impact of the armory:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180516/what-are-dundee-community-reactions-to-armory-plans (http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180516/what-are-dundee-community-reactions-to-armory-plans)
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Professor H on May 21, 2018, 09:16:16 AM
There isn't really that much else going on in the way of big development in the county so I look at as better than nothing.



I thought Fermi III  and the new Hospital were kinda big  :)
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 22, 2018, 09:48:41 PM
New Hospital?  You mean a new rendition of the butcher shop?  Been there once and left promptly.  That place is a joke.

What will be really big is when DTE mothballs the Elm Street generation station.  That is coming too.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: indy99 on May 23, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
I can tell you about some true horror stories about that hospital that happened with myself and family members.  Changing the name and ownership did not make a difference.   Never ever again will we use their "services".
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Professor H on May 23, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
I'm guessing they picked the location for their largest plant for a reason - and will build a new plant if necessary...  Lots of $$ to be made that solar and wind can't provide
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Monroe Native on May 23, 2018, 05:30:43 PM
I'm guessing they picked the location for their largest plant for a reason - and will build a new plant if necessary...  Lots of $$ to be made that solar and wind can't provide

It's already announced.

It's going to St Clair.

They don't need a port to bring in Natural Gas.

Sorry Monroe.

You are SOL.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 23, 2018, 09:38:26 PM
China Township to be exact.  I heard 3 NG units. 

Despite Trump and his support of coal, coal is out, fracked NG is in and much cheaper per KWH.  Of course what you don't read or hear about is how much coal we export to China..  I bunch, like in a couple ships a week worth.

Last coal fired plant to be built was AEP's plant down south and it's a super critical coal fired plant.  It was put in service about 5 years ago.  last one.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: jbs49238 on May 26, 2018, 05:23:58 AM
Proof positive that Monroe will quickly (as history flows, so within 15 years) relinquish the County Seat to Dundee (FINANCIALLY) but stay in Liberal power because that will be where the empty bodies lie.  New day coming in Lenawee as well.... economics are in Tecumseh... needy are in Adrian.  The Drains will always be the Drains until the pawns get fed up, demand a piece, and wonder why their handlers have not provided them said piece!!!!!  That day will come and Liberals will lose for decades.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 26, 2018, 06:16:50 PM
Proof positive that Monroe will quickly (as history flows, so within 15 years) relinquish the County Seat to Dundee (FINANCIALLY) but stay in Liberal power because that will be where the empty bodies lie.  New day coming in Lenawee as well.... economics are in Tecumseh... needy are in Adrian.  The Drains will always be the Drains until the pawns get fed up, demand a piece, and wonder why their handlers have not provided them said piece!!!!!  That day will come and Liberals will lose for decades.

I don't know about Dundee ever becoming the county seat. I'd have to see that and I won't because I'll be in the ground, growing weeds.

Tecumseh has their hands full with their educational system and the large brownfield that was Products.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 26, 2018, 06:18:06 PM
I wonder what Monroe will do for operating funds when DTE shuts her down?  Place will become another Flint.... ;D
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Monroe Native on May 28, 2018, 11:50:13 AM
I wonder what Monroe will do for operating funds when DTE shuts her down?  Place will become another Flint.... ;D

They will keep spending until they go Bankrupt.

Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Monroe Native on May 28, 2018, 11:51:46 AM
Proof positive that Monroe will quickly (as history flows, so within 15 years) relinquish the County Seat to Dundee (FINANCIALLY) but stay in Liberal power because that will be where the empty bodies lie.  New day coming in Lenawee as well.... economics are in Tecumseh... needy are in Adrian.  The Drains will always be the Drains until the pawns get fed up, demand a piece, and wonder why their handlers have not provided them said piece!!!!!  That day will come and Liberals will lose for decades.

I kind of think the financial power in the county is already in the northern suburbs of Toledo.

That seems to be where a big chunk of the population is.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on May 28, 2018, 02:20:00 PM
Only thing that differentiates Dundee from a hick town is the retail development on the west end.  Other than that, Dundee is still the 'Hub of the Highway' and little else.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Monroe Native on May 28, 2018, 02:43:42 PM
Only thing that differentiates Dundee from a hick town is the retail development on the west end.  Other than that, Dundee is still the 'Hub of the Highway' and little else.

And I'm not sure how long Cabelas will be a going venture to anchor that retail development on the west end.

Lots of overhead, and I'm not sure they really bring in that much with sales.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: ytrewq on June 05, 2018, 07:51:00 AM
Elite Toyota (no mention of Mazda) is moving to Dundee. 
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on June 05, 2018, 08:44:36 AM
Elite Toyota (no mention of Mazda) is moving to Dundee.

They're going in on M-50 across from and a little more to the west from Tractor Supply.  They've had a sign up for at least a couple of months.

I can't remember if the sign has 'coming soon' on it or not :) :) :)
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 05, 2018, 11:51:36 AM
Under construction right now.  TLC Community Credit Union is opening a branch on Cabelas Boulevard as well, I think in the building that houses Papa John's Pizza behind Walgreens.

I also see that Bass Pro (owners of Cabelas) is pushing the out lots sales again.  Signs all over the place.

I wonder how the Social House place that occupies the space vacated by beanery that took over the old Outback is doing.  I never see any cars in the lot.

Like having a TLC close by.  Been a member for many years and my closest office is Blissfield.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on June 15, 2018, 10:32:14 AM
The latest news article:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180615/follow-up-armory-coming-to-dundee-best-kept-secret (http://www.monroenews.com/news/20180615/follow-up-armory-coming-to-dundee-best-kept-secret)
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 17, 2018, 08:19:13 AM
'500 jobs for Dundee Township'...  Right.  Unemployment is zip there anyway.  Local businesses cannot find anyone to work as it is.  How about 500 unfilled jobs instead.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Monroe Native on June 17, 2018, 06:38:00 PM
Great.

500 jobs on the backs of the taxpayers.

Fantastic news.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on June 18, 2018, 08:34:41 AM
Great.

500 jobs on the backs of the taxpayers.

Fantastic news.

Remember the expression "Freedom isn't Free"....

this is part of what that means.

The other part is all those people that have paid with their life or an eye or a leg or a knee... 

be glad that wasn't you and just pay your taxes with a smile!!!
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Monroe Native on June 18, 2018, 10:10:26 AM
Remember the expression "Freedom isn't Free"....

this is part of what that means.

The other part is all those people that have paid with their life or an eye or a leg or a knee... 

be glad that wasn't you and just pay your taxes with a smile!!!

Id do that if the country wasn't running giant deficits.

As it is I think the national debt is the bigger threat to the country.

Your attitude also reflects the theme that spending Government money here is good but elsewhere it is waste.

I just see the pork.  Sorry if you think that makes me unpatriotic.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: BigRedDog on June 19, 2018, 09:31:31 AM
Id do that if the country wasn't running giant deficits.

As it is I think the national debt is the bigger threat to the country.

Your attitude also reflects the theme that spending Government money here is good but elsewhere it is waste.

I just see the pork.  Sorry if you think that makes me unpatriotic.

How do you take the words I posted and change it to what you posted?

If that was my 'attitude' then that is exactly what I would have posted. 

Please do not try to put your words into my mouth.

As far as your patriotism goes, just like any 'emotion' (love for example) it's difficult for anyone but you to figure that out. 

If you're happy with your level of patriotism then it suits me.

I'm very, very satisfied with my personal level. 

Maybe we need a new thread...

is out 'freedom' worth what it is costing us?
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: Monroe Native on June 19, 2018, 06:54:05 PM
How do you take the words I posted and change it to what you posted?

If that was my 'attitude' then that is exactly what I would have posted. 

Please do not try to put your words into my mouth.

As far as your patriotism goes, just like any 'emotion' (love for example) it's difficult for anyone but you to figure that out. 

If you're happy with your level of patriotism then it suits me.

I'm very, very satisfied with my personal level. 

Maybe we need a new thread...

is out 'freedom' worth what it is costing us?

You put words in my mouth too.

I guess that doesn't count though - does it?

When you do it you are somehow justified?

As far as how much does Freedom Cost - sure - start that thread.

We can debate if we are spreading democracy or making more enemies with all of our Freedom loving moves.

We live in a Country that doesn't defend it's own borders from people walking across it, but we do love bombing the shite out of the other side of the globe - in the name of FREEDOM.

Sorry if after 17 years of endless war I suddenly understand how protesters of the Viet Nam war felt.

If that means I'm unpatriotic - so be it.

I have news for you BRD.

No other country on this planet is going to take us down - at least in our lifetimes.  That "Super Armory" and other Pork projects like it around the country will not be the difference one way or another.

The National Debt?  Now that is a REAL threat.
Title: Re: Super Armory to be built in Dundee
Post by: SidecarFlip on June 20, 2018, 05:00:23 AM
Exactly.  I agree, those 500 'jobs' won't be productive, revenue producing jobs, but rather negative impact on the debt ratio jobs.  Sure the job holders will benefit... at the government's expense and who is the government?  Why us of course.

People tend to loose sight of that fact today.

Pay your taxes and smile is bullspit.  Tantamount to putting your head in a hole and ignoring the obvious.

Zorn didn't do any of us a favor.  All he did was promote an increase in the debt load.

He's a political dork anyway.