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Title: Bottled Water
Post by: DJ16 on August 23, 2007, 07:22:18 AM
Charlie Slatt posted a blog last month about bottled water that I found very interesting. I have since decided to never buy bottled water again.

When I was at CMU there was a big stink raised over Nestle/ Perrier extracting water from the area. There was a popular bumper sticker that read, "We're Perrier, Now Give Us Your Water."
I can't remember the exact details of the case. Does anyone remember hearing about this?

Here's a link to Charlie's http://www.blogsmonroe.com/consumer/?p=479 (http://www.blogsmonroe.com/consumer/?p=479).
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: zard0z on August 23, 2007, 09:32:39 AM
Thanks for that article...very informative...This goes to show you how out of touch, selfish and indulgent the people in this country really are...A must read for school children...!

I really like this quote...It should make everybody rethink the idea of bottled water...

"If the water we use at home cost what even cheap bottled water costs, our monthly water bills would run $9,000."
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: haras00 on August 23, 2007, 09:38:15 AM
This is a very startling article. I know it's long, but at the very least skim it, read the points of interest. And then most importantly, share it with your friends and family. The more we spread awareness the faster we can act to save our earth!

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Storm on August 23, 2007, 09:45:38 AM
I think I might switch to self-purified water.
Even though I recycle my bottles...
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: utility slug on August 23, 2007, 09:52:56 AM
My family NEVER buys bottled water...EVER.

The bottle itself costs more than its contents.   Why do you think the grocery stores have so much shelf space devoted to it ?
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Farmer.Ted on August 23, 2007, 10:00:14 AM
And to think when I was a kid, I would even drink from the garden hose!
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Lady Arbella on August 23, 2007, 10:04:58 AM
I really wish I could drink tap water........but it is just NASTY!! I don't drink bottled water because it is healthier or "trendy"  it just TASTES better.  I have also found that Monroe tap water is the worst ! I don't even cook or make coffee with it.  However, I  don't use my good drinking for that, I go to the water refill stations at the grocery store.

I can taste the difference between most brands and the only one I  like is Poland Spring. The rest taste like tap water to me. The only thing I drink besides coffee is water (about a gallon a day) so I'm not about to drink something that I don't enjoy.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: zard0z on August 23, 2007, 10:09:39 AM
I really wish I could drink tap water........but it is just NASTY!!

Try using a Pur water filter on your tap, that's what I do...I also have a Brita filter pitcher too...It's cheaper in the long run than buying distilled water at the store...
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: haras00 on August 23, 2007, 10:17:47 AM
I really wish I could drink tap water........but it is just NASTY!!

Try using a Pur water filter on your tap, that's what I do...I also have a Brita filter pitcher too...It's cheaper in the long run than buying distilled water at the store...

I was just going to say that, I agree with Lady, tap water does taste bad. I have a Brita pitcher at home and I think my water from that tastes better than some bottled water! Especially Auqafina, yuck! I do like Disani, but most of the time I have a water bottle with me that I fill up at home with Brita water.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: loser on August 23, 2007, 10:20:13 AM
dont forget what 'evian' is spelled backwards....
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: wastinawayagain on August 23, 2007, 10:27:11 AM
I'm another person who pretty much only drinks water and coffee, so the taste of my water is important. Tap water, especially around here, just tastes gross. It's very chemical-y. There's also something to be said for the convenience factor. Grab a bottle on your way out the door and you're good to go. So I buy cases of bottled water even though I know it's kinda silly.

I should just break down and put a water purifier on the tap at home. Anyone know of any good deals on them?
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Storm on August 23, 2007, 10:42:23 AM
I'm another person who pretty much only drinks water and coffee, so the taste of my water is important. Tap water, especially around here, just tastes gross. It's very chemical-y. There's also something to be said for the convenience factor. Grab a bottle on your way out the door and you're good to go. So I buy cases of bottled water even though I know it's kinda silly.

I should just break down and put a water purifier on the tap at home. Anyone know of any good deals on them?

For the most part, they are always a good deal versus bottled water.
They really aren't that hard to find.
I am thinking about going back to self-filtering myself, I will let you know if i spot anything phenomenal.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: chris on August 23, 2007, 02:25:28 PM
i agree with tap water not tasting right.  i also have a pur filter on my tap which i use to fill bottles and a pitcher in my fridge.  you can get them for 25 bucks at wal mart or meijer.  the filters are 20 bucks but ive had mine for over 6 months and still have half of the filter left. 
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: crazeemom on August 23, 2007, 03:00:10 PM
my tap water smells like fish.  It tastes like the water out of the garden hose metallicy (for lack of a better term).  We bought a refridgerator that has a water purifier and ice maker.  I drink so much more water than I used to.  I don't drink soda anymore and I love that I never run out of cold water.  I tried the water pitcher thing but I was the only one filling it up but not the only one drinking it so it got to be a pain.  I would like to buy one of those pur water filters with the flavors for the kids.  Any one tried it yet?
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: TheShepherd on August 23, 2007, 03:11:53 PM
There is some interesting information regarding water purification at www.motherearthnews.com.  There are some filter/purification system buyer reports,etc.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: PrincessAmy on August 23, 2007, 03:36:39 PM
I began drinking bottled water when I was 12, when the Zebra Mussels clogged up our water system.. I've never gone back to tap water. It's disgusting, leaves a horrible aftertaste, and in some cities where I lived, is contaiminated.  When I lived at home and mom and dad bought groceries, I always drank Evian, then switched to Naya when I lived on my own. I now usually drink the Meijer spring water. Oh, and I cannot stand purified water like Aquafina or Dasani - that leaves a horrible aftertaste and tastes almost as gross to me as tap water.


Sorry, but I'm sticking to my bottled water.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: the nosh on August 23, 2007, 06:27:52 PM
the water in monroe tastes fine to me...but then again...im old!

but im a pop drinker at heart...or is it soda??? nooooo its pop!!!!!

i love going to a china buffet and order a coke...they say...noooooooo coke...pessi ok??

i say that will do just fine darlin!! ;D
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Chips on August 23, 2007, 07:06:39 PM
If someone had told me 10 years ago that people would be willing pay $1 or more for a bottle of water, I would have called them crazy.
The recent revelations from some of the major bottled water giants, admitted that their water source is from municipal water systems.
Our water comes from the South County Water system.
It taste just fine to me, right from the tap.
My wife prefers to get her drinking water chilled from the refrigerator water and ice dispenser.
We pay less than a 50 cents a day for all of our potable water usages.

I wonder?
Could sell my garden dirt,for a $1 a bottle, as a pure natural soil, with no chemicals added?
If you would like to order some of my fine garden soil, you can send me a message on this blog.



Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: BigRedDog on August 23, 2007, 08:13:50 PM
We buy it by the case....   store brand or something not real expensive....   

We still have well water and it is hard and minerally....   

We recycle the bottles...
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: MyKidsChauffeur on August 24, 2007, 09:27:31 AM
I have greatly reduced our family's consumption of bottled water in the past 6 months.  I kept reading articles on how not buying bottled water will help the environment, and financially, it's so obvious that using the tap is much, much cheaper.  Our tap water (Berlin Twp water) is just fine, although I will probably buy a filter one of these days (alot of people I know, many of them germaphobes,  ;) swear by them).  So I told my kids I was no longer buying bottled water at the grocery store and they needed to start refilling water bottles we have here at home for lunches, activities, etc.  Now we only pick up bottled water occasionally when we're out and we're thirsty.  The place I really hate to buy bottled water the most is the movies, where is costs $3.00 or more.  A friend once commented as he bought a bottle of water at the movies with us (he's sworn off pop, so he had to buy water), "Anyone who is willing to pay $3.00 for something we can get for free has no right to complain about the cost of gas."  That has stuck with me ever since!
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Algae on August 24, 2007, 09:36:31 AM
I find Monroe's tap water to taste fine.  Try Ann Arbor's tap water some time...I really disliked the taste of that!

Has anyone tried the new Pur Filter with flavors?  I think it sounds like a good idea, but I wonder how that really tastes?

Quote
Didn't the City of Monroe have its own brand bottled water at one point?

Yep!  Monroe Mist!  You used to have to call the Water Department and ask for some, so maybe they still have it, but don't advertise it?

Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Frenchfry on August 24, 2007, 09:43:20 AM
I’m not fond of the bottled “purified” water and usually go for the spring water.

When the kids are on the run out the door I’d rather they would grab a bottle of water than a pop.

I saw a news story where their main complaint against bottled water is that it’s too sterile and tap water contains things your body needs.

It just occurred to me that our teeth need the protection of the fluoride in the tap water as well.

Every once in a while our tap water will smell slightly fishy so perhaps I should look into installing a filter.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Algae on August 24, 2007, 09:57:35 AM
And, as I'm surfing the web, I come across this article of interest!

Reusable Water Bottles You'll Actually Want To Use (http://www.slate.com/id/2172541/)

A quick ranking of 6 water bottles and what features they have.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Lady Arbella on August 24, 2007, 10:09:45 AM
I just can't give up my Poland Spring water. (LOL....I'm sure someone will send me a link showing that Poland Spring water is from the Detroit River or something like that) For me it has nothing to do with "being healthier" it's about the taste.  My drinking water is just one of those things that I am extremely picky about. As I said before it is the only thing that we drink besides coffee.  I have been drinking bottled water my entire life so when I try tap, the "chemical" taste is too much for me. Believe me if I could switch to drinking  tap (or even a cheaper brand)  I would. Buying drinking water costs me around $45.00 a month. Keep in mind both my daughter and I drink alot of water (close to 2 gallons a day between the two of us). I know people who easily spend that buying soda, which I find to be disgusting. (soda that is)

I never had to buy cooking/coffee water before moving to Monroe. Again, I refill at the store using my gallon jugs. Big pain in the a**.

At first I thought it was just my house (over 100 years old with plumbing almost as old......yes, galvanived pipes  :P) However, I have talked to people (usually at the grocery store waiting to fill the water jugs) and they have told me that Monroe has horrible tap water. Taking those things into consideration, it is safe to say that my tap water has an abnormally high level of "funk" in it.

I have considered buying a faucet mounted filter, so I would at least be able to use tap water to cook and make coffe with.  However, when I see the cost of the filter as well as the replacement filters I usually put it off. I don't mind the initial investment of the faucet mount......it is just the replacement filters that concerns me. In my case, I am going to assume that the filters will only last half as long, because they would be working twice as hard.

So my first set of  questions are: Is Monroe's tap water "funky" 
I see there are a few who do not think so. I'm curious if those of you have been raised drinking this water?

Second question(s) are to those of you who use faucet mounted filters: Do your filters last as long as they claim to, if not how long do they last?

I would love to buy one for convenience alone, but at this time cost wins over convenience. I did do the math, if the filters do last as long as they claim, it might be worth it for me to finally break down and buy one.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Griff on August 24, 2007, 10:29:57 AM
When Evian and Perrier first came to the US with the claim of "Bottled at the Source" it actually meant something. In both Italian and French 'source' is used for 'spring.' So being bottled at the spring was a quite a marketing claim, since streams, rivers, lakes and impoundments in Europe are often not desireable water sources.

US beverage marketers have taken the more common use of 'source' in our language to allow themselves a freer hand in water selection.

Almost all bottled waters carry the marketing line--'bottled at the source' however we need to read closely to determine if the 'source' is a spring or a tap.

Caveat emptor...

Bottled water is handy and beats the pants off most carbonated beverages during the work day.

peace,
Griff
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Stephanie on August 24, 2007, 08:00:13 PM
When I was at CMU there was a big stink raised over Nestle/ Perrier extracting water from the area. There was a popular bumper sticker that read, "We're Perrier, Now Give Us Your Water."
I can't remember the exact details of the case. Does anyone remember hearing about this?

It's still an issue. I'm not clear on where it's at currently, but I did find this from April:
Nestle Waters of North America, one of the world's largest water bottling corporations, has withdrawn proposed plans to pump water from a site in Newaygo County's Monroe Township. According to Nestle, who bottles water in Michigan under the Ice Mountain label, the consistency of the water did not meet the standards for Nestle's spring water. Opponents of the plan, led by the White River Watershed Preserve hailed Nestle's decision not to continue with the project. Last month, the White River Watershed Preserve passed a resolution both opposing the withdrawal of water from the White River and calling on the Michigan legislature to revisit Michigan's large-scale water withdrawal law arguing that its criteria for determining an adverse impact is too vague and limited. In the local media, reporters have described "intense opposition" to the plan by local residents.
In February, Nestle was granted approval by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) to withdraw 216,000 gallons of water per day from a site near two trout streams in Osceola County. Nestle's Ice Mountain plant in Standwood currently withdraws 313,000 gallons of water per day.

The House dems introduced some kind of legislative package not long ago to limit the siphoning off of water from the great lakes. Seems like it should be extended.
I'll post more later if I find more info.

Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: lulu on August 25, 2007, 11:17:57 PM
I watched television once and they were talking about bottled water and the chemicals that are released when the plastic is heated, such as when you leave it in a car during the summertime and the sun shines into the bottle.
Those chemicals, pthalates (sp?) are supposed to be much worse for you than the chlorine and  other "funk" used to clean tap water.

I buy bottled water, try not to leave it in my car with sun shining on it. I use one bottle per day and refill it as I go with whatevers available. I prefer filtered water to spring water.

When I was young there was a pipe that came out of the side of the mountain along the highway near Tazewell, Tn. where you could stop and fill your jugs. I remember it being very cold and clear with no taste at all.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: 7n7 on August 26, 2007, 12:25:55 PM
It's a shame. In as many places in the world where it's a struggle for safe drinking water, we here in the middle of the largest mass of fresh water have sucky drinking water..... I'm always amazed at how many homes have municipal water down south, where they have to carve out rock to run the lines, and up here, it's just too expensive to run pipes in dirt.  ::)

We have a well with sulfur, so the only water I drink is in some sort of bottle.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: topper on August 26, 2007, 02:08:36 PM
     i had sulphur water out in the same area.  what i did was yo fill gallon jugs and set them on the counter over night  with  the cap off. an old timer at the time told me the sulpher  was a gas that would disapate. worked for me, hope it works for you.                               
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Frenchfry on August 26, 2007, 03:44:51 PM
Wouldn’t that sulphur smell dissipate into your house if you left it exposed on the counter?

Maybe it’s something you’d get used to but somehow I’m imagining rotten eggs.

Does it leave an odor when you shower or when you wash your clothes?

I recall that someone around Tuttle Hill and Grames (48160) discovered that their house had sulphur water too but I haven’t talked to them in years and have no idea what they had to do about it.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: Fishbulb on August 26, 2007, 04:16:06 PM
I just can't give up my Poland Spring water. (LOL....I'm sure someone will send me a link showing that Poland Spring water is from the Detroit River or something like that) For me it has nothing to do with "being healthier" it's about the taste.  My drinking water is just one of those things that I am extremely picky about. As I said before it is the only thing that we drink besides coffee.  I have been drinking bottled water my entire life so when I try tap, the "chemical" taste is too much for me. Believe me if I could switch to drinking  tap (or even a cheaper brand)  I would. Buying drinking water costs me around $45.00 a month. Keep in mind both my daughter and I drink alot of water (close to 2 gallons a day between the two of us). I know people who easily spend that buying soda, which I find to be disgusting. (soda that is)

I never had to buy cooking/coffee water before moving to Monroe. Again, I refill at the store using my gallon jugs. Big pain in the a**.

At first I thought it was just my house (over 100 years old with plumbing almost as old......yes, galvanived pipes  :P) However, I have talked to people (usually at the grocery store waiting to fill the water jugs) and they have told me that Monroe has horrible tap water. Taking those things into consideration, it is safe to say that my tap water has an abnormally high level of "funk" in it.

I have considered buying a faucet mounted filter, so I would at least be able to use tap water to cook and make coffe with.  However, when I see the cost of the filter as well as the replacement filters I usually put it off. I don't mind the initial investment of the faucet mount......it is just the replacement filters that concerns me. In my case, I am going to assume that the filters will only last half as long, because they would be working twice as hard.

So my first set of  questions are: Is Monroe's tap water "funky" 
I see there are a few who do not think so. I'm curious if those of you have been raised drinking this water?

Second question(s) are to those of you who use faucet mounted filters: Do your filters last as long as they claim to, if not how long do they last?

I would love to buy one for convenience alone, but at this time cost wins over convenience. I did do the math, if the filters do last as long as they claim, it might be worth it for me to finally break down and buy one.

Maybe it is because I have been drinking the water my whole life that I think it taste fine. And if you try to drink the water at a colder temperature it will have a better taste. It's what Coors does to make their beer seem palatable. If your house is on a dead end of a water line the water might be funkier or if your house is close to the plant then the Cl would be stronger. Monroe has a big distribution system and a Cl residual has to be maintained through the entire system.

Most of the bottled water sold in the US is nothing but tap water that they take and put through a extra purification method such as reverse osmosis. I prefer not to pay the extra amount to drink bottled water. There is also the extra pakaging and shipping that I feel is unnecesary.

I do think there is a built in bias to a poll taken where people are filling up their water jugs.
Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: livewire on August 28, 2007, 07:52:47 AM
I'm just mad that I didn't think of bottling water and selling it for up to $4.00 per gallon, sometimes more.  All those days when I was a kid and took a long drink from the garden hose didn't seem to affect me that much.  I still do when it's hot, and I'm thirsty, and working in someone's back yard all dirty and sweaty.  When I'm really thirsty, I'm not too picky when I need to rehydrate.

Here in London Township, almost everyone has sulphur water - myself included.  I drink it every day.  We have a treatment system, which removes almost all of the hydrogen sulfide, and for drinking water we fill a big pitcher and keep it in the fridge.  After a couple hours, whatever slight sulfur smell or taste will be gone.  It actually tastes quite good, after it sits for a while.

Because of the corrosive nature of sulfur, homes with this water are usually plumbed with CPVC rather than copper.  The sulfur in the water eats away at the copper.   :o  Yup, I drink it every day.  One might think that drinking sulfur would be harmful -  we have had our water tested, and it's perfectly safe to drink.  Some say that the small amounts of sulfur in our water are actually good for you.  It have heard that it helps to prevent prostate cancer.

I have done a lot of plumbing work, and I have worked in many older homes with galvanized and copper water pipes.  If you saw inside those pipes, you would never drink from the tap again - echhh!   :P  That is where a lot of the foul taste comes from when tap water tastes bad.  Let it run for a couple minutes, then taste it.  If it tastes better, it's your pipes, not the water.  Consider running a separate line from the meter, or a good filter.  They aren't expensive.

Title: Re: Bottled Water
Post by: DJ16 on August 28, 2007, 12:24:11 PM
That's some good advice Livewire.