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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #375 on: August 31, 2012, 03:11:28 PM »

no, that's exactly what you were doing.  I'm saying that the law (which is how crime is defined) has absolutely NOTHING to do with morality.  Slavery was once legal-- that did not make slavery moral.  Alcohol was once illegal-- that did not make it immoral. 

rape is a definition.  it means forcing sexual intercourse on someone against their will.  this is true regardless of the law.  this is a definition.  it's the use of language to describe an action.  i don't know how to be more clear.  i think you're terribly confused.  you need to stop talking about laws and culture.  it has nothing to do with the morality of an action.  nothing.  if you think it does, then you're like baggins who admitted that he would be pro-slavery if that was the law.  He would have condoned the punishing of those who protected freed slaves, when the law demanded they be turned in.  that's downright sickening.  If i knew who baggins was, i would be sure to keep my children as far from that man as possible. 



Again, in old days it was a property crime and not a sexual crime.  Even if the action was the same, the moral of the time was misusing another mans property, a very different moral than what sexual intercourse without consent is today.  There can be no "universal" because it wasn't seen as immoral then.  A moral is not the action, but he beliefs to prevent an individual from acting on them. 
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« Reply #376 on: August 31, 2012, 03:27:00 PM »

Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and those that are bad (or wrong).

I don't care what the law said or says.  rape was wrong then and it's wrong now, and it will always be wrong.  It's will never be PROPER BEHAVIOR (MORAL).  It was always and will ever be immoral to rape someone.  this is universal. 

the insane people in this thread keep yelling that some people used to think that rape was moral.  I KNOW!  I don't care.  that does not justify it.  you can stop saying that, because it makes you look like a lunatic.  if you believe that someones personal view changes the morality of (i.e. makes it right) something like rape, then you're a terrible person. 

Again, in old days it was a property crime and not a sexual crime.  Even if the action was the same, the moral of the time was misusing another mans property, a very different moral than what sexual intercourse without consent is today.  There can be no "universal" because it wasn't seen as immoral then.  A moral is not the action, but he beliefs to prevent an individual from acting on them.

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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #377 on: August 31, 2012, 03:48:17 PM »

Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and those that are bad (or wrong).

I don't care what the law said or says. rape was wrong then and it's wrong now, and it will always be wrong. It's will never be PROPER BEHAVIOR (MORAL). It was always and will ever be immoral to rape someone. this is universal.


the insane people in this thread keep yelling that some people used to think that rape was moral. I KNOW! I don't care. that does not justify it. you can stop saying that, because it makes you look like a lunatic. if you believe that someones personal view changes the morality of (i.e. makes it right) something like rape, then you're a terrible person.

It may have always been immoral to you, but as you say “people used to think that rape was moral. I KNOW! I don't care.”  That is the point - YOU think that your moral of now supersedes what they did not even think or consider being immoral then.  If they did not see it as immoral THEN, how can it be “universal?”  If, as you demand, t has to be for all places and all times, then they SHOULD have seen it as immoral when they did not.

Morals do not abide outside of individuals.  You cannot have killing people residing in a place without people.  As you said in an uncited quote.  “Morality is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and those that are bad (or wrong).”  Yet, if one has no awareness, does not see any immorality, then how can they be immoral by YOUR standards?  Without awareness there can be no intention, nor can there be decisions.

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if you believe that someones personal view changes the morality of (i.e. makes it right) something like rape, then you're a terrible person

You believe that your personal morality must change the morality of those that did not believe it was rape as you define he crime.  Therefore, by your own words you define yourself s a “terrible person.”  I think you should go easy on yourself, since you clearly are very conflicted.

It goes the same as if in 100 years it is a known fact of society that it is immoral to eat meat.  You now are an immoral person for eating meat when you clearly should know that in 100 years it will be immoral.  You are doing the same to people in the past, as the people in the future will do to you for being an immoral meat eater.
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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #378 on: August 31, 2012, 03:51:05 PM »


the insane people in this thread keep yelling that some people used to think that rape was moral.  I KNOW!  I don't care.

That really sums up the topic completely.  You believe everyone but you is insane.  Further you believe that your morals are the only morals and no one else matters.
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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #379 on: August 31, 2012, 07:11:36 PM »

i know it's inconvenient for you, but that is the question i am looking for an answer to.  You've answered it two contradictory ways already.  if you're not serious about this discussion why are you here wasting your time? 


JL... Have you stopped beating your dog yet?  That is the answer I am looking for an answer to.

Yes or No!!! Take your damn pick.
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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #380 on: August 31, 2012, 09:07:15 PM »

Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good (or right) and those that are bad (or wrong).

I don't care what the law said or says.  rape was wrong then and it's wrong now, and it will always be wrong.  It's will never be PROPER BEHAVIOR (MORAL).  It was always and will ever be immoral to rape someone.  this is universal. 

the insane people in this thread keep yelling that some people used to think that rape was moral.  I KNOW!  I don't care.  that does not justify it.  you can stop saying that, because it makes you look like a lunatic.  if you believe that someones personal view changes the morality of (i.e. makes it right) something like rape, then you're a terrible person. 

What was that definition of insanity again?
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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #381 on: August 31, 2012, 10:43:25 PM »

What was that definition of insanity again?

I believe the definition of insanity is beating your dog over and over again and expecting different results.
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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #382 on: September 01, 2012, 01:23:48 PM »

I feel that every reply in this thread constitutes a raping of my senses.

Stop raping me already!!!
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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #383 on: September 01, 2012, 07:31:52 PM »

I feel that every reply in this thread constitutes a raping of my senses.

Stop raping me already!!!

Quit being a victim!  You have the power to turn off your computer and do something useful!
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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #384 on: September 02, 2012, 07:07:37 AM »

I feel that every reply in this thread constitutes a raping of my senses.

Stop raping me already!!!

I thought your body had a mechanism to naturally reject the replies that rape you...  I heard that from some elected official somewhere, gotta be true!
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Re: Legitimate Rape? Sound Familiar?
« Reply #385 on: September 02, 2012, 08:59:53 PM »

I feel that every reply in this thread constitutes a raping of my senses.

Stop raping me already!!!

The Author Name "Baby Hitler" is beyond offensive on so many levels. 

I think you should carefully reconsider your reasons for using that name. 

If you think it is funny it is not.  If you think you are making some kind of statement you are not. 

You are only showing your ignorance.
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