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Re: Tax the rich!
« Reply #105 on: April 19, 2012, 07:06:08 AM »

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« Reply #106 on: April 19, 2012, 07:07:44 AM »

The Rich Are Different from You and Me – They Pay Lower Taxes

Benjamin Franklin, who used his many talents to become a wealthy man, famously said that the only things certain in life are death and taxes.  But if you’re a corporate CEO in America today, even they can be put on the back burner — death held at bay by the best medical care money can buy and the latest in surgical and life extension techniques, taxes conveniently shunted aside courtesy of loopholes, overseas investment and governments that conveniently look the other way.

In a story headlined, “For Big Companies, Life Is Good,” The Wall Street Journal reports that big American companies have emerged from the deepest recession since World War II more profitable than ever: flush with cash, less burdened by debt, and with a greater share of the country’s income. But, the paper notes, “Many of the 1.1 million jobs the big companies added since 2007 were outside the U.S. So, too, was much of the $1.2 trillion added to corporate treasuries.”

To add to this embarrassment of riches, the consumer group Citizens for Tax Justice reports that more than two dozen major corporations  — including GE, Boeing, Mattel and Verizon — paid no federal taxes between 2008 and 2011. They got a corporate tax break that was broadly supported by Republicans and Democrats alike.

Corporate taxes today are at a 40-year-low — even as the executive suites at big corporations have become throne rooms where the crown jewels wind up in the personal vault of the CEO.

Then look at this report in The New York Times: Last year, among the 100 best-paid CEOs, the median income was more than $14 million, compared with the average annual American salary of $45,230. Combined, this happy hundred executives pulled down more than two billion dollars.

What’s more, according to the Times “… these CEOs might seem like pikers. Top hedge fund managers collectively earned $14.4 billion last year.”  No wonder some of them are fighting to kill a provision in the recent Dodd-Frank reform law that would require disclosing the ratio of CEO pay to the median pay of their employees. One never wishes to upset the help, you know. It can lead to unrest.

That’s Wall Street — the metaphorical bestiary of the financial universe.  But there’s nothing metaphorical about the earnings of hedge fund tigers, private equity lions, and the top dogs at those big banks that were bailed out by tax dollars after they helped chase our economy off a cliff.

So what do these big moneyed nabobs have to complain about? Why are they whining about reform? And why are they funneling cash to super PACs aimed at bringing down Barack Obama, who many of them supported four years ago?

Because, writes Alec MacGillis in The New Republic — the president wants to raise their taxes. That’s right — while ordinary Americans are taxed at a top rate of 35 percent on their income, Congress allows hedge fund and private equity tycoons to pay only pay 15 percent of their compensation. The president wants them to pay more; still at a rate below what you might pay, and for that he’s being accused of – hold onto your combat helmets –  “class warfare.”  One Wall Street Midas, once an Obama fan, now his foe, told MacGillis that by making the rich a primary target, Obama is “[expletive deleted] on people who are successful.”

And can you believe this? Two years ago, when President Obama first tried to close that gaping loophole in our tax code, Stephen Schwarzman, who runs the Blackstone Group, the world’s largest private equity fund, compared the president’s action to Hitler’s invasion of Poland.

That’s the same Stephen Schwarzman whose agents in 2006 launched a predatory raid on a travel company in Colorado. His fund bought it, laid off 841 employees, and recouped its entire investment in just seven months — one of the quickest returns on capital ever for such a deal.

To celebrate his 60th birthday Mr. Schwarzman rented the Park Avenue Armory here in New York at a cost of $3 million, including a gospel choir led by Patti LaBelle that serenaded him with “He’s Got the Whole World in His Hands.” Does he ever — his net worth is estimated at nearly $5 billion. Last year alone Schwarzman took home over $213 million in pay and dividends, a third more than 2010. Now he’s fundraising for Mitt Romney, who, like him, made his bundle on leveraged buyouts that left many American workers up the creek.

To add insult to injury, average taxpayers even help subsidize the private jet travel of the rich. On the Times’ DealBook blog, mergers and acquisitions expert Steven Davidoff writes, “If an outside security consultant determines that executives need a private jet and other services for their safety, the Internal Revenue Service cuts corporate chieftains a break. In such cases, the chief executive will pay a reduced tax bill or sometimes no tax at all.”

Are the CEOs really in danger? No, says Davidoff, “It’s a common corporate tax trick.”

Talk about your friendly skies. No wonder the people with money and influence don’t feel connected to the rest of the population. It’s as if they live in a foreign country at the top of the world, like their own private Switzerland, at heights so rarefied they can’t imagine life down below.
http://billmoyers.com/2012/04/12/the-rich-are-different-from-you-and-me-%E2%80%93-they-don%E2%80%99t-pay-taxes/#more-6218
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The Truth About Tax Rates
« Reply #107 on: April 19, 2012, 07:15:59 AM »

Cenk Uygur breaks down a series of graphs discussing tax rates including: who did the Bush tax cuts benefit, average income of top 400 highest incomes, average tax rate for top 400 incomes, average effective income tax rates, and sources of federal tax revenue. Do we really have a progressive tax structure watch to find out.

The Truth About Tax Rates
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« Reply #108 on: April 22, 2012, 11:56:06 PM »

Viewpoint host Eliot Spitzer argues that the threat of filibusters hovering above all congressional votes means legislation can only move forward when approved by a supermajority of 60 out of 100 senators. Spitzer suggests that allowing the supermajority obligation to apply to every issue decided in Congress goes against the intentions of the founding fathers. Spitzer frames the issue in terms of numbers: "41 senators from the smallest states, representing just 10 percent of the population, can hold the rest of the country hostage."

Eliot Spitzer condemns filibusters as a way of overruling the majority, calls for reform
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« Reply #109 on: April 23, 2012, 01:43:21 AM »

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« Reply #110 on: April 23, 2012, 09:58:18 AM »

Again you lost the argument...but that won't stop a loser like you from coming back with more trivial insignificant issues to stage your annoying nitpick campaign on.

Many times people just let your lips flap since your arguments are ridiculous the vast majority of the time.....and the slightest reply just begets more of your asinine replies...but sometimes your trolling reels me in.  :-[

It takes willpower to remember how valueless your contributions have been and trying to talk sense to a totally indoctrinated hardcore rightie is a waste of effort.


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Re: Tax the rich!
« Reply #111 on: April 23, 2012, 10:16:57 AM »

Viewpoint host Eliot Spitzer argues that the threat of filibusters hovering above all congressional votes means legislation can only move forward when approved by a supermajority of 60 out of 100 senators. Spitzer suggests that allowing the supermajority obligation to apply to every issue decided in Congress goes against the intentions of the founding fathers. Spitzer frames the issue in terms of numbers: "41 senators from the smallest states, representing just 10 percent of the population, can hold the rest of the country hostage."<snip>

"The definition of a confederate republic seems simply to be “an assemblage of societies,” or an association of two or more states into one state. The extent, modifications, and objects of the federal authority are mere matters of discretion.

So long as the separate organization of the members be not abolished; so long as it exists, by a constitutional necessity, for local purposes; though it should be in perfect subordination to the general authority of the union, it would still be, in fact and in theory, an association of states, or a confederacy.

The proposed Constitution, so far from implying an abolition of the State governments, makes them constituent parts of the national sovereignty, by allowing them a direct representation in the Senate, and leaves in their possession certain exclusive and very important portions of sovereign power.This fully corresponds, in every rational import of the terms, with the idea of a federal government."


~from Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Papers #9 -- Powerof the Senate


Mr. Spitzer, with all due respect is incorrect. It is entirely proper that the a method such as the Senate and the filabuster exist so that the tyranny of majority NOT be allowed to trample the rights of the minority; nor the rights held by the people and the States.
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Re: Tax the rich!
« Reply #112 on: April 23, 2012, 10:28:05 AM »

Alexander Hamilton in Federalist #64 on the Senate...

"III. The equality of representation in the Senate is another point, which, being evidently the result of compromise between the opposite pretensions of the large and the small States, does not call for much discussion. If indeed it be right, that among a people thoroughly incorporated into one nation, every district ought to have a proportional share in the government, and that among independent and sovereign States, bound together by a simple league, the parties, however unequal in size, ought to have an equal share in the common councils, it does not appear to be without some reason that in a compound republic, partaking both of the national and federal character, the government ought to be founded on a mixture of the principles of proportional and equal representation. But it is superfluous to try, by the standard of theory, a part of the Constitution which is allowed on all hands to be the result, not of theory, but "of a spirit of amity, and that mutual deference and concession which the peculiarity of our political situation rendered indispensable." A common government, with powers equal to its objects, is called for by the voice, and still more loudly by the political situation, of America. A government founded on principles more consonant to the wishes of the larger States, is not likely to be obtained from the smaller States. The only option, then, for the former, lies between the proposed government and a government still more objectionable. Under this alternative, the advice of prudence must be to embrace the lesser evil; and, instead of indulging a fruitless anticipation of the possible mischiefs which may ensue, to contemplate rather the advantageous consequences which may qualify the sacrifice.

In this spirit it may be remarked, that the equal vote allowed to each State is at once a constitutional recognition of the portion of sovereignty remaining in the individual States, and an instrument for preserving that residuary sovereignty. So far the equality ought to be no less acceptable to the large than to the small States; since they are not less solicitous to guard, by every possible expedient, against an improper consolidation of the States into one simple republic.

Another advantage accruing from this ingredient in the constitution of the Senate is, the additional impediment it must prove against improper acts of legislation. No law or resolution can now be passed without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then, of a majority of the States. It must be acknowledged that this complicated check on legislation may in some instances be injurious as well as beneficial; and that the peculiar defense which it involves in favor of the smaller States, would be more rational, if any interests common to them, and distinct from those of the other States, would otherwise be exposed to peculiar danger. But as the larger States will always be able, by their power over the supplies, to defeat unreasonable exertions of this prerogative of the lesser States, and as the faculty and excess of law-making seem to be the diseases to which our governments are most liable, it is not impossible that this part of the Constitution may be more convenient in practice than it appears to many in contemplation."

Mr. Spitzer and others would be well served to study and understand...
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Re: Tax the rich!
« Reply #113 on: May 31, 2012, 01:29:54 PM »

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« Reply #114 on: May 31, 2012, 01:31:06 PM »

"Sam Brownback is the new governor of Kansas, he's been there for a couple of years now and he has decided hey you know what the rich don't get enough of a break in Kansas..."

Kansas Giving Rich Another Tax Cut #TaxTheRich
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« Reply #115 on: June 09, 2012, 11:09:46 AM »

"The so called 'job creators' haven't created jobs. Instead, they've pocketed the cash. Why? Not because of the tax code, but because you don't hire people to produce more widgets if nobody is buying them." -- Eliot Spitzer
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Eliot Spitzer advises taxing all income the same way: 'Never have the wealthy gotten away so easily'
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« Reply #116 on: June 09, 2012, 11:22:42 AM »

David Cay Johnston, Reuters columnist, joins "Viewpoint" host Eliot Spitzer to discuss his article on "The Fortunate 400," or those families who reported the 400 highest incomes on their 2009 tax return according to the IRS.
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'Where are the jobs?' David Cay Johnston debunks GOP theory behind lowering taxes on the wealthy
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« Reply #118 on: August 26, 2012, 11:33:06 AM »

Rich may be a subjective term, or is it defined on an objective scale that a majority agree on?

I may be rich based on the definition by someone who lives in poverty......not bragging, but just saying.

I look at the amount (not percent) of taxes my household pays to the state, county, and federal government as more than fair. 
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« Reply #119 on: August 26, 2012, 11:38:01 AM »

Why America's Taxes Are Too Low
Taxation in the United States has always been the source of much debate and dissension in the political realms. Part of the discussion relates to what the taxes are used for, and, as an extension, what the government should be using the revenue for. Another part of the debate stems from differing views on the ability and appropriateness of using taxes to manipulate the economy. Many economists and politicians believe that lowering the tax rate will help to stimulate the economy - an important consideration in the current economic climate.

What people rarely hear debated is that America's taxes, as a percentage of its gross domestic product (GDP), are at historical lows and that the corporate portion of that tax benchmark is lower than almost any other industrialized country on the planet. Why does this measure matter? GDP represents the output of the economy and should be steadily rising. Taxes fuel this growth, both through direct government initiatives and through its impact on businesses and individuals. When taxes are too low, economic growth is more difficult to achieve and the government must cut programming due to lack of revenues. Here are three reasons why taxes should increase in the U.S.

The Effective Tax Rate Is Much Lower Than the Marginal Rate
The debate over lowering taxes generally looks only at the bracket rates, which represents the marginal taxation on the last dollar of income in that bracket. A much more important measure is the effective tax rate, which is based on the amount of taxes actually paid. The effective rate takes into account all of the deductions and credits taken that reduces taxable income. For example, even though the highest personal tax rate is 35%, according to the IRS the average tax rate paid by the country's 400 richest individuals was just over 18% in 2008. Part of the difference is that capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate than earned income, which is at the highest tax bracket. Another part relates to deductions, such as donations, that the wealthy can use to offset their taxes.

A Reduction in Corporate Taxes Doesn't Translate into Job Growth
One of the main arguments for lowering the corporate tax rate is that it will stimulate hiring, and, thereby, drive economic growth. However, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the corporate tax burden was 12.1% of profits, on average in 2011. This is the lowest it has been since 1972. Unemployment still remains at just over 8% (as of January 2012), so the low corporate taxes are not having an impact on jobless rates. One possible reason for this is that the largest corporations in the country are accelerating the outsourcing of jobs to other countries, especially in the manufacturing, technology and customer service areas. This expatriation of tax savings does nothing to stimulate the American economy.

Passive Income is Taxed at a Lower Rate Than Earned Income at Higher Tax Brackets
In some industrialized countries, taxes on investment income are higher than taxes on earned income. This stimulates inputs into the economy (labor) and puts a higher burden on dormant capital. In the U.S., it's just the opposite. In the higher tax brackets, parking money in investments attracts less tax than employing it directly into the economy. Reducing tax rates across the board will not change this dynamic.

The Bottom Line
The tax base as compared to the GDP is at historical lows in the U.S. and the corporate contribution to tax revenues is lower than almost any other developed country. The solution to America's economic woes may not be in lowering taxes further, but may, in fact, lie in increasing them.
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