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[Sojourner]

Last time I checked you actually didn't hear him say that.  If anything it's the voices inside your head.

You're convinced of it to be fact but have no proof.  I'm convinced that if I drink a gallon of whisky a day that I'll live to be 100.  Just because I believe it doesn't make it fact.

Actually, I do have proof, but you have refused to take my word for it and call me a liar and suggest I am delusional. My step brother could even testify of that one experience I shared here that you cannot logical reason away. But some will say we shared in the same delusion that night, which itself would be a miracle.

If your place of birth had been Tibet you could be discussing the universal truths of Buddhism. Should it have been Iraq you could be speaking of Islam instead of Christianity. See how that usually works?

Personally I don't really think it matters as long as you abide by the golden rule.

"Gentleness, self-sacrifice and generosity are the exclusive possession of no one race or religion. "
-Gandhi

That's certainly not true. There are Christians in India, Iraq, etc., although, sadly many Christians are leaving the middle east due to persecution. You can't say just because I live in India I wouldn't be a Christian. As Jesus said, "All the Father has given Me will come to Me."

By all that I find holy, this is insane!

Most of you should be confined to a psych ward. That's the truth. Most of you are dangerous and more than ever that makes me want to get the hell out of this sorry town!

Yeah, just because everyone doesn't hold to your godless views means they should be locked up. Sounds like you need some help yourself if you're that scared of people of different views.

[PXaiver]

Actually, I do have proof, but you have refused to take my word for it and call me a liar and suggest I am delusional. My step brother could even testify of that one experience I shared here that you cannot logical reason away. But some will say we shared in the same delusion that night, which itself would be a miracle.

Well it's nice to have that one experience.  I could tell you stories about my experiences with the Goddess, but you would just say it was Satan.

Now here's the deal.  Somehow some way TV gets transmitted over the air and makes magic pictures appear on a screen.  Now because you don't know how that works you could say that it's god doing it.  Basically what I'm saying is just because you don't understand why or how something happened doesn't mean it's divine.

[Sojourner]

Well it's nice to have that one experience.  I could tell you stories about my experiences with the Goddess, but you would just say it was Satan.

Now here's the deal.  Somehow some way TV gets transmitted over the air and makes magic pictures appear on a screen.  Now because you don't know how that works you could say that it's god doing it.  Basically what I'm saying is just because you don't understand why or how something happened doesn't mean it's divine.

I just use that one as an example, but there has been plenty.

Oy... Comparing TV to supernatural events in nature and a healing of one's body?...

I'd like to hear of the experiences you've had.

[PXaiver]

I just use that one as an example, but there has been plenty.

Oy... Comparing TV to supernatural events in nature and a healing of one's body?...

I'd like to hear of the experiences you've had.

Those are very personal and I believe that religion is a personal pursuit.  Telling you of my experiences won't change your mind so I'm not even going to bother.  Let's just say those happened a long time ago and for several reasons I've chosen to abandon the faith I know is real.

[Sojourner]

Honestly. This town scares me more and more with every post like yours that I read. I haven't lived here in Monroe all of my life like some of you. I'm more accustomed to more cosmopolitan views. They don't include people of the ilk like you.

This comment makes me wonder how much you get out in these places with a more cosmopolitan view. Do you think Monroe has some rare people with calvinistic views on sovereign election and big cities don't? I've been to bigger cities, and there are just as many of these fanatical Christians, as you label them, who believe as I do in every one of them. Name off some big cosmopolitan places and I'll name off some big chruches that teach election and God's sovereignty as I have, and that have more people of this view than Monroe has.

Start an internet forum for any of these cosmopolitan cities and put a Religion and Philosophy category and you'll find some like me on everyone of them and probably in greater numbers. This forum actually seems to be lacking in regards to people of the same views as I hold, but there are a lot who hold to the same views. There are over a billion professing Christians on Earth, and a huge chunk would agree with me concerning the election and sovereignty of God, as I have simply typed what is written in scripture.

[HellBent and Whiskeybound]

I lean more towards shaken baby syndrome myself but donkey punch does send up a flag as well.

[Sojourner]

Yeah, just like Pascal, Newton, Bach, and all those other brilliant Christians had.  *

[Marcus]

Actually, I do have proof, but you have refused to take my word for it and call me a liar and suggest I am delusional. My step brother could even testify of that one experience I shared here that you cannot logical reason away. But some will say we shared in the same delusion that night, which itself would be a miracle.
That's certainly not true. There are Christians in India, Iraq, etc., although, sadly many Christians are leaving the middle east due to persecution. You can't say just because I live in India I wouldn't be a Christian. As Jesus said, "All the Father has given Me will come to Me."

I said could. Of course their are Christians in India and the middle east just like there are Muslims and Buddhist in the U.S. It's more likely that you would be of another religion had you been born and raised in one of these cultures. As much as you can quote the Bible one can find quotes in other religious texts to back up their own beliefs. Nothing you say makes you any more right or wrong than many others of differing faiths. Its your choice to believe what you do. Perhaps its the road God has given you but many roads will often lead to the same place.

[Marcus]

Any belief system even a lack of one can be made to sound ridiculous so we just pick whatever works best for us and roll with it. I think that is truly God's, The Gods or the Universe's gift of freewill.

[Sojourner]

I said could. Of course their are Christians in India and the middle east just like there are Muslims and Buddhist in the U.S. It's more likely that you would be of another religion had you been born and raised in one of these cultures. As much as you can quote the Bible one can find quotes in other religious texts to back up their own beliefs. Nothing you say makes you any more right or wrong than many others of differing faiths. Its your choice to believe what you do. Perhaps its the road God has given you but many roads will often lead to the same place.

I agree that if I was born in the middle east I probably would have been raised Muslim, but if elected of God I would have become a Christian. I remember talking to a man online (in the middle east) that was raised in a Muslim home, and he felt a very strong compelling force that drew him to Christ, so I spoke with him and he confessed that he believed Jesus to be the Christ and was filled with unspeakable joy. It was so contrary to all he was taught, but he couldn't resist this inner drawing to Christ, which was to him something amazing. I think he feared what his family would think and how they'd act, but he had to follow the God who was drawing him.

To address the bold, I do not believe all roads lead to the same place. No Christ, no life. That's God's way, not man's.

Any belief system even a lack of one can be made to sound ridiculous so we just pick whatever works best for us and roll with it. I think that is truly God's, The Gods or the Universe's gift of freewill.

You know that picture about Christianity above is silly. We know those things in scripture are symbolic. God told man not to sin, Lucifer (who was compared to a serpent) tempted them, and they sinned. And of course, the knowledge of good and evil was compared to a tree, not a real fruit tree as we know one. Then God puts His spirit within flesh and that being lives sinless and in love dies for mankind, doing for them what they could not do for themselves. The Christian beliefs make good sense to the mind, provided one actually reads the Bible. But will someone believe in a God who works supernaturally? Some will, some won't.

But yeah, you have two choices. Either believe mindless matter just magically came into being and mindlessly worked upon itself to create a complex world of life and balance, or an Intelligent Being designed it and put the complex universe into motion. Creation itself speaks in favor of Intelligent Design, so as a logical human being I will hold to that.

[SidecarFlip]

If Obama wins does that mean he is appointed by God to be President? I would say, Yes.

I don't believe there is any power that God hasn't appointed, even evil leaders.

What does the Bible say of such things?

For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Romans 13:1

A good example of God appointing an evil leader is found in King Nebuchadnezzar. In Jeremiah we find God saying that He was summoning the Kingdom of the North (Babylon) to slay the children of Israel.

Daniel says this to arrogant King Nebuchadnezzar, "They shall drive you from men, your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make you eat grass like oxen. They shall wet you with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over you, till you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses. Daniel 4

And after seven years we find God giving King Nebuchadnezzar the Kingdom back.

What does God say of evil Pharoah?

For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Romans 9

Notice it was God who raised him up.

We also find in Israel that the people wanted a King, which was not what God wanted, but because of the hardness of their heart He appointed King Saul, who ended up evil. Then He appointed David.

Christians can be certain if Obama is elected God appointed him, but still we should always oppose anything he does or approves that is immoral or unethical, and even God Himself will judge concerning such things.

Lets turn it around.....

Re:  God - Appointed by Obama?

[Sojourner]

[zard0z]

I posted this before you... *

[Sojourner]

I posted this before you... *

Lol... Did you? In which thread?