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It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 - but on June 17 instead.
Researchers tracked the appearance of the 'Christmas star', which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.
Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.
He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1093053/Cancel-Christmas--Jesus-born-June-17-say-scientists.html

[PXaiver]

It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 - but on June 17 instead.
Researchers tracked the appearance of the 'Christmas star', which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.
Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.
He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1093053/Cancel-Christmas--Jesus-born-June-17-say-scientists.html

It's funny because the whole reason why Christmas is on the 25th was to counter the Solstice festivities of the Pagans at the time.

[PXaiver]

I have read that. 

World Religion is one of my passions Rivers.  My Anthropology class HATED me when we got to that section.

[__Resurgam__]

June is a great month for births! 

I don't really care when He was born, I still celebrate His birth on Dec. 25th. It's nice to have a good holiday like that in the depressing months of winter.

[PXaiver]

June is a great month for births! 

I don't really care when He was born, I still celebrate His birth on Dec. 25th. It's nice to have a good holiday like that in the depressing months of winter.

Winter isn't a depressing season, you just have to find the beauty in it.  Warm fires, being close to friends and family and others you love, sharing the extra you stored with others...I find winter to be the season where people need each other the most.

[Collegekid]

It's funny because the whole reason why Christmas is on the 25th was to counter the Solstice festivities of the Pagans at the time.

Most Christian holidays and celebrations are done so to either mimic or counter an older religions holiday or celebration.

[zard0z]

Winter isn't a depressing season, you just have to find the beauty in it.  Warm fires, being close to friends and family and others you love, sharing the extra you stored with others...I find winter to be the season where people need each other the most.

Yeah, because it's cold, gloomy and depressing for the most part...

[mohamed_kalij]

Interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9f0XU_S78&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frwlyx2u8JE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovFFZ4iEFCo&feature=related

It seems to explain the inconsistent date of birth and why it would have been changed to dec 25th.

[mohamed_kalij]

Next.  Is every one out of there heads!?

Did you watch any of them? And by "Next", do you mean "next theory", "next question", "next person"? Do you think it is impossible for a religion to be based on sun worship?

[mohamed_kalij]

What do the jews think?

I have no idea what the jews think. You will have to ask them. I asked you what you think. Could modern religion be based on astrology, like so many before it?

[mohamed_kalij]

There is no modern religion.

You don't consider the three Abraham religions modern? I do since there are still people believing them. Or are you saying they are not modern because their ideas are out of date. If that is the case, then I will side with you on that.

[mohamed_kalij]

no

Do you have anymore details? 'No' to my first question or 'no' to my second? I know I missed a question mark, but there were two questions in that last post.

[mohamed_kalij]

Oh I'm sorry, Let me retry! NO, No?

Did you eat paint chips as a child?

[marilyn.monroe]

How silly to think you could go back thousands of years and map the skies with today's technology! We haven't even identified all the objects in our solar system.
It is a good thing science has God for a motivator lol!

[zard0z]

How silly to think you could go back thousands of years and map the skies with today's technology! We haven't even identified all the objects in our solar system. (but we have solid information and knowlage of the main planets in the solar system!)
It is a good thing science has God for a motivator lol!

No, it's not silly, it's quite simple really, it's all in the mathematics, we "know" the math is right for the calculations on the orbits of the planets and when dealing with what the ancients saw you pretty much stop at Saturn, because that is the farthest planet that can be seen with the naked eye.  And the placing of celestial objects is just as easy, the ancients knew pretty much the same sky we do(though they saw a richer and more detailed sky do to the fact they didn't have massive cities throwing light in the sky every where!) and they took very accurate and detailed observations, they haven't changed positions in the sky that much in the past 10000 years or more.  SO, if you know where they are today, it's not hard to know where they would have been in the past.  I have an astronomy program that goes all the way back to 5000 BC and Orion looks just like it does to us as it did to the Egyptians.

And yes, God is a great motivator of science(By using science to explain, let's say the ten plagues of Egypt during the exodus, we better understand how it could have happened and better proves that it actually DID happen and not to be taken as a fairy tale of imaginative writing, and that's not taking God out of it, who's to say that God can't manipulate the Earth and weather to do what was done.)...Just because we humans want to know the whys and hows doesn't mean that it's meant to disprove God(that's dark age thinking and dangerous!), I say it's all for a better understanding of how the universe works and doesn't take away from personally spirituality, or at least it shouldn't and it doesn't with me, in fact it helps confirm it.  ( In other words if science can prove that something written in the Bible could actually have happened then why not let science be a tool for better understanding? ).