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Re: Nevaeh Buchanan Main Thread 3
« Reply #705 on: April 23, 2011, 12:50:03 PM »

Almost a month before two years since someone took you from your family and friends.  And while there is no one that has been publicly held accountable for your murder at this point I still remain hopeful that it's not to far away.  If only you could tell us what events led up to that evening or even if it was evening...did a stranger from the park you were playing at have plans for you?  Was it someone visiting the apartments?  Was it an accident?  Was it someone you knew?  Was it a friend of the family?  Were they old or young or somewhere in between?  Was it a male or a female or both?  The sad part is little girl, that with so many adults in your life...no one sees anything?  No one will step up and be your voice since yours was taken away.  How very selfish and spineless of them!  You were just a little girl playing and having supper at a friends apartment, walking over to KMarts with your mom, changing clothes, then playing in the parking lot, and then? you disappeared and not even the tracking dogs could find your scent. 
I suppose it was divine intervention that your body was at least found so that your loved ones had closure.  And from what I have read in the newspaper, perhaps through his experiences, finding your shallow grave etc has helped him turn his life around-that is a huge undertaking from someone who is with us only in spirit now.  You truly are an Angel in Heaven!  Rest Peacefully Amayah Nevaeh Buchanan but please do continue to shine your light down. 
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« Reply #706 on: May 23, 2011, 04:31:12 PM »

Nevaeh since no one seems to have an actual timeline on when you were abducted (two years into it now ) I wanted to let you know that many people say the person(s) responsible will never be caught, others "know" who had to do it.  Many of us make our own assumptions on who all could be involved but yet no one knows yet for sure.  What many of us can agree on is that it will be solved and those involved will be held accountable.  That may be wishful thinking but everyday as I look through the news articles I find reasons to believe more than ever that it will happen.  It may not be today, it may not be tomorrow and it may not even be a year from today but I have to believe that it will be.  And for those who say the person who did it is far away from Monroe now, I say...that's ok because there are thousands of people across the United States that are reading about missing childrens cases everyday and thats a lot of people with their eyes and ears open. 
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« Reply #707 on: May 30, 2011, 09:58:49 PM »

Deanna, even if the perpetrator is gone from the area, he/she left others behind like family, friends, neighbors, employers, doctors, educators, landlords, even convenience store, food store, or department store clerks.
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« Reply #708 on: May 31, 2011, 01:57:36 AM »



You know.. In the UK.. they collect DNA if you are ever brought into a police station for any reason, they take your DNA..

In cases like Neveah's it is not unheard of communities volunteering to give DNA.. 

Do they need the killer's.. no.. they don't.. and yes it has raised issues of right to privacy how they take a store DNA even if you are not found guilty of a crime.. like when they bring you in on a charge, take your DNA and charges are then dropped..

But the benefit has been for Law Enforcement comes in when they catch a rape or a murder case because they get the DNA of a relative....

Now I am not saying that we should do what the UK does..

However, if there is DNA evidence.. and a voluntary donation drive would not be that costly..  Would people who may have a relative who did this.. Could we possibly catch the person..

You know.. Monroe is made up of only so many people.. If LE has some sort of clue as in a DNA sample..  It would at least show if the perp is white or other ethnic group.. The profile may have other clues depending how much the have.. how degraded it may be or if they don't have any DN
A at all..

But if they do.. they can narrow down a profile.. then ask the public to donate DNA.. if it is a male they are looking for.. both women and men can offer their DNA... Because men have both types..

What you hope to get is a relative.. even a distant cousin.. to narrow the search..  They have solved so many cases like this in the UK by getting a relatives DNA..

I don't know how much it would cost.. I have my DNA stored with special study they are doing about people who are from the Cumberland Gap area... Its part of National Geographic, Family Tree and Cambridge University.. they store it in this huge data base.. and as more people submit test.. you can see your geneology unfold..

 I did pay for the cost of the test.. which was about a hundred bucks.. and they have tracked.. relatives going back to England and Ireland.. all over the States and Canada...

I did this ten years or more ago.. I allow people to contact me.. I get emails from all over the place from people who are distant relation..  So it can go back and find shirt tail cousins.. Its very cool..

So.. I think the testing could be done at LE for cost.. it would be less than a hundred bucks a person.. Some people would pay.. and I am sure a fund could be build to do the project..

all it takes is a swab of your cheek.. 

Because who did this IS from Monroe... they have relatives.. people would come forward just to find out.. LE could narrow down.. it could be done anonymously..  and the promise that the DNA of people donating would be destroyed...

If there IS DNA..  I think its time we search and ask for DNA.. packs could be sent anywhere to anyone.. they can self swab and send it back.. they could do it anonymously even.. assigning a number with the packet.. post the numbers of people they may find who are a relative and then ask them to come forward to LE...

It can be done!!!!!  and I think that is the only way this case will be solved....
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« Reply #709 on: June 09, 2011, 11:07:16 PM »


You know.. In the UK.. they collect DNA if you are ever brought into a police station for any reason, they take your DNA..

In cases like Neveah's it is not unheard of communities volunteering to give DNA.. 

Do they need the killer's.. no.. they don't.. and yes it has raised issues of right to privacy how they take a store DNA even if you are not found guilty of a crime.. like when they bring you in on a charge, take your DNA and charges are then dropped..

But the benefit has been for Law Enforcement comes in when they catch a rape or a murder case because they get the DNA of a relative....

Now I am not saying that we should do what the UK does..

However, if there is DNA evidence.. and a voluntary donation drive would not be that costly..  Would people who may have a relative who did this.. Could we possibly catch the person..

You know.. Monroe is made up of only so many people.. If LE has some sort of clue as in a DNA sample..  It would at least show if the perp is white or other ethnic group.. The profile may have other clues depending how much the have.. how degraded it may be or if they don't have any DN
A at all..

But if they do.. they can narrow down a profile.. then ask the public to donate DNA.. if it is a male they are looking for.. both women and men can offer their DNA... Because men have both types..

What you hope to get is a relative.. even a distant cousin.. to narrow the search..  They have solved so many cases like this in the UK by getting a relatives DNA..

I don't know how much it would cost.. I have my DNA stored with special study they are doing about people who are from the Cumberland Gap area... Its part of National Geographic, Family Tree and Cambridge University.. they store it in this huge data base.. and as more people submit test.. you can see your geneology unfold..

 I did pay for the cost of the test.. which was about a hundred bucks.. and they have tracked.. relatives going back to England and Ireland.. all over the States and Canada...

I did this ten years or more ago.. I allow people to contact me.. I get emails from all over the place from people who are distant relation..  So it can go back and find shirt tail cousins.. Its very cool..

So.. I think the testing could be done at LE for cost.. it would be less than a hundred bucks a person.. Some people would pay.. and I am sure a fund could be build to do the project..

all it takes is a swab of your cheek.. 

Because who did this IS from Monroe... they have relatives.. people would come forward just to find out.. LE could narrow down.. it could be done anonymously..  and the promise that the DNA of people donating would be destroyed...

If there IS DNA..  I think its time we search and ask for DNA.. packs could be sent anywhere to anyone.. they can self swab and send it back.. they could do it anonymously even.. assigning a number with the packet.. post the numbers of people they may find who are a relative and then ask them to come forward to LE...

It can be done!!!!!  and I think that is the only way this case will be solved....




I was thinking the very same thing tonight..DNA..and went searching for anything on this post about it...did they actually find DNA on her body? There HAD to be some type of DNA on her body somewhere...the killer must have touched her in someway to leave a part of DNA on her body.
If so, then they would have found the killer by now dont you think?

CSI tonight was very informing on how DNA can also be taken from bodies years after a homicide, and I thought about Nevaeh's murderer.

 If only she could tell us who did it..somehow give us a clue as to who it is...wishful thinking on my part. I think of her often and ask God to give us a clue..I even ask Nevaeh to give us clues somehow..someway... so that we can put closure on the sicko who did this to her.

I do BELIEVE that someone knows who it is..and is not letting loose of the answer.
I also BELIEVE it is someone that she knew....otherwise she would have screamed for help...to the person that knows who it is...its time to let the police know..is it not?
 
To the person who did it...how can you honestly sleep at night...knowing what you did to this innocent little girl...its time for you to turn yourself in..so that this little girl can finally rest in peace!
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« Reply #710 on: June 09, 2011, 11:21:40 PM »

Or the killer could be trained in law enforcement and knew either how to avoid leaving evidence or how to render it useless.

Of course leaving something behind that has an innocent persons DNA wouldn't be difficult either.
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« Reply #711 on: June 10, 2011, 08:13:17 AM »

Or the killer could be trained in law enforcement and knew either how to avoid leaving evidence or how to render it useless.

Of course leaving something behind that has an innocent persons DNA wouldn't be difficult either.

This is so true!
I really dont think it was anyone from LE ...last night I was reading the old blogs about the case on scaredmonkeys.net  some of those posts are really worth looking over again...I came upon it by just searching the net for anything about DNA with this case. Some interesting comments on some of those blogs got me thinking about who did it.
 This most definitely was someone Nevaeh knew...believe me...she would not just go to anyone that beckoned her to go with them..unless someone had another child near and coaxed her into playing with them.
The person that did it..enticed her in someway to go with them. Maybe she did go through that back gate to the school playground, but it had to have been so fast that no one saw who took her, since the playground had children on it already.
Someone definitely knows something and they are hiding it. I still cant understand how DNA was not found on her body, unless LE is hiding that fact from the public. You cannot convince me that no one at least touched her arm or some part of her body some time during this ordeal.
I think LE should take another look at the body results or evidence found in the several cars or vans they have searched, or to say the least where she was found. I know its been a couple years, but there still could be some evidence that was over looked.

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« Reply #712 on: June 10, 2011, 08:21:00 AM »

Do you really think the FBI and the onslaught of other LE agencies had not done that?  Come on.

Said it before, and will sadly say it again.....someone got away with a perfect crime that will most likely go unsolved.
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« Reply #713 on: June 10, 2011, 10:59:01 AM »



just being me..  As much as things have advanced..  yes that can get DNA from the oils left behind. or sweat.. or tears...

But that degrades faster.. She was in the ground and exposed.. I talked to a friend of mine and she said they would be lucky to find DNA inside her or something from a larger sample. like seamen or blood..

I would think any DNA left from someone just touching her would be gone.. my friend that works at the FLE labs said that under perfect condition like a body that has not been exposed to the elements or has not started in full decomp are the times when they can find minute DNA from swear or oil glands..

Sheriff Cutchfield has never said one war or another if there is DNA or not...

If there is.. even if its only a partial or degraded.. if they can get enough of a profile..  A voluntary DNA search may turn up a relative... assuming the murderer is Male..  Both Male and female could be used since men have both..

For example... Both sides of my family met in Monroe... Both sides are now in their fourth generation.. My DNA would only reflect my mother's line.. or if I have a sibling that did it.. 

However, if I had a Male sibling.. his DNA would reflect both side of the family...  it could be a tenth cousin who did it... and it would show up in those markers...

That is what I am talking about, a voluntary DNA drive... but if there is no DNA it would be useless...

And don't think someone who has been fantasizing about doing what was done cannot take a child in a heartbeat..  I have Heard that Neveah was very shy and did not seem to trust strangers...  Other people have said the same thing.. she just would not go off with anyone..

But you don't know if someone had befriended her starting the Grooming process... or if they put their hand over her mouth and just took her..

I don't believe the drug dealers rumors...  I don't think they would take that kind of "time" to send a message... if it was a message to Jennifer they would have dumped her body where it would have been found easier... whats the point of sending a message if they don't get the message?

I really believe that the person had been thinking about it a long time... If it were not Neveah then a different child...   The person did not want the body found.. but either expected more of a bank or did not think it through when they decided to use concrete..

I am not certain if there were ever able to establish a time line...  So how long did the person have the Neveah before killing her...  The bury Alive part is not unusual for child killers who are so sick they in their minds think that by doing that somehow resolves them from being an actual murderer..

It may be never solved...  No FF... I am sorry.. it could have been an alien from the moon... but the reality of it being a moon man is not logical...

My mind comes up with several people who know that spot that did have problems that went unreported back in the Days when... One who lived on Ida Maybee road masterbated in front of me and several other minors at Kmarts...  Then tried to run my friends grandfather off the road... To this day.. we did the right thing.. we told our parents... one even knew who he was.. He went to Dundee too...  I think I was 12... he was shaking it at us.. We even gave the police his photo from the yearbook...  Nothing was ever done because they didn't do anything back in the 70's.. 

I know people start with window peeping.. and masturbation.. Then graduate to flashing... then the go onto other things..

Do all window peepers progress, I don't know... but every SO I have talked to... that is when the first behavior started for a lot of them..

Then there is the guy who grew up where the Bridge is...  The house is gone..  He started raping his sisters when they were Neveah's age...  of course his father did too... but dad died in 1978...  The son worked at the Rath farm and for Hoffmans...  Its my understanding he is living in Dundee... he has never been married.. I hear he is living with someone I know.. I managed to track down his sister in Virginia who had confirmed my suspicions I had back when I was a kid about that family... I didn't know what it was at the time... but I remember things.. and as I now have the understanding I do... I know the type of person he is... 

Then there is the guy I would meet out there to fish...  We would drink.. not really fish.. he was on probation and was not suppose to be drinking...   Around 1986 he went to prison for raping a five year old girl who was in his mother's care...  She and his sister turned him in...  He is not on the sex regestery... 

That is just three perves off the top of my head who I have not seen or heard of in over 20 years..

I gave the detective everything I knew.. including the phone number so they could talk to the Sister and hear it from her mouth...  There is a younger brother in that family too... at least ten years younger than me...  These sorts of things do run in families especially if the family begins on each other...

I could go even farther... 

People think perves is a new thing.. its NOT, its been around forever.. and now since we lock perves away... they kill witnesses... 

Holiday weekend.. apartment complex full of kids..  These people are experts at reading what kid...

Because we don't know what time she actually went missing... remember her mother thought she had gone back to K Marts on her own...

Would calling an Amber alert immediately have helped.. I doubt it.. but four hours of looking for her.. I think it should have been called earlier.. I know its a judgment thing..

Because we don't know if the killer drove her straight there.. or if she was with them for a day or so..  I know they cannot pinpoint an exact time of death..  they can get it within a day or so... but from as long as she was left in the ground.. water.. the concrete... it effects decomp...

That is the sad part..  I really would like to know if that guy in Missouri who took this five year old girl from her yard...  They issued an amber alert right away.. Her mother knew when she went missing..

and before he could do anything..  the police cornered him..  He shot and killed himself.. the little girl went unharmed... It was the evening.. he was not from that town.. he worked as a handy man.. The girl was taken from the front yard.. while she was playing with her older brother.. that is how they got such a good description of the car... He just ran up into the yard and took this little girl.. Some of these people are nothing but drifters...

Which gets back to "the Spot"...  and who would feel comfortable enough to have an alive child.. mix concrete and bury them alive there...  That is strange that someone who is not familiar with the area to know that they would be assumed to be fishing if someone saw a vehicle parked there...


But there are so many of them out there...
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« Reply #714 on: June 10, 2011, 11:37:18 AM »

Do you really think the FBI and the onslaught of other LE agencies had not done that?  Come on.

Said it before, and will sadly say it again.....someone got away with a perfect crime that will most likely go unsolved.

NO ONE is perfect ..not even LE or the FBI..yes something could have been overlooked....just saying.  Sometimes, some of the evidence goes unlooked at in another perspective....until someone reevalutates it..it happens with the FBI all the time.
 Like I said before, someone knows who did it or some clue they are hiding...the parking lot was really not full of kids..there were a few but not alot..the lot was virtually empty from adults also....this I know..because I live there. I was at work at the time..but know from my neighbors of how many was in that back lot.

The Chicken..YES you are right in all perspectives of the DNA..I just cannot fathom LE or the FBI not at least trying to find some kind of DNA..even from the clothes she had on..there has to be some kind of clue that was overlooked...NO ONE is perfect...at a so called as everyone has put it perfect crime. If they found carpet fibers under her nails...DNA should have been found somewhere somehow.
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« Reply #715 on: June 10, 2011, 09:38:00 PM »

NO ONE is perfect ..not even LE or the FBI..yes something could have been overlooked....just saying.  Sometimes, some of the evidence goes unlooked at in another perspective....until someone reevalutates it..it happens with the FBI all the time.
 Like I said before, someone knows who did it or some clue they are hiding...the parking lot was really not full of kids..there were a few but not alot..the lot was virtually empty from adults also....this I know..because I live there. I was at work at the time..but know from my neighbors of how many was in that back lot.

The Chicken..YES you are right in all perspectives of the DNA..I just cannot fathom LE or the FBI not at least trying to find some kind of DNA..even from the clothes she had on..there has to be some kind of clue that was overlooked...NO ONE is perfect...at a so called as everyone has put it perfect crime. If they found carpet fibers under her nails...DNA should have been found somewhere somehow.

Don't assume there's no DNA. Just sayin...  There's one huge source of DNA you are all missing. I'm not going to discuss it here because I don't blog about these things. My purpose for bringing it up is that I don't want people to get discouraged to the point they stop caring or, worse yet, don't call in a tip because they think it won't make a difference.  DNA retrieval and analysis is a very complex science. With it, there are no accurate generalizations. Remember, DNA is an exclusionary tool not an inclusionary tool. In other words, it doesn't identify anyone.  Rather, it proves identity by process of elimination.
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« Reply #716 on: June 10, 2011, 10:31:42 PM »

NO ONE is perfect ..not even LE or the FBI..yes something could have been overlooked....just saying.  Sometimes, some of the evidence goes unlooked at in another perspective....until someone reevalutates it..it happens with the FBI all the time.
 Like I said before, someone knows who did it or some clue they are hiding...the parking lot was really not full of kids..there were a few but not alot..the lot was virtually empty from adults also....this I know..because I live there. I was at work at the time..but know from my neighbors of how many was in that back lot.

The Chicken..YES you are right in all perspectives of the DNA..I just cannot fathom LE or the FBI not at least trying to find some kind of DNA..even from the clothes she had on..there has to be some kind of clue that was overlooked...NO ONE is perfect...at a so called as everyone has put it perfect crime. If they found carpet fibers under her nails...DNA should have been found somewhere somehow.

I'm not saying that the FBI are inept, but Andy Arena had his hands full with other cases during Nevaeh's investigation. The Iman he shot in Detroit for one was a huge drain on his time. I believe he was also working towards a promotion to NY at the same time too. Because mistakes do happen, evidence gets lost or misplaced etc etc, it is possible some new (or old) piece of evidence could move this case forward. I'm not giving up hope.

I was pretty shocked this week when two of my co-workers said they had never even heard about Nevaeh's murder since they both live in the downriver area and have lots of family in Monroe. So while we here may know quite a bit about the circumstances surrounding it, there ARE others who may have information they don't even know they have that could help solve this case.

And TC, you make excellent points on both the amount of perv's in that specific area, I too know of a few just a stones throw from the burial site.  Even though stranger abduction is rare, it does happen the way stated, fast and with boldness. I also think that it was most likely a local because of the fishing spot. And while it may seem far-fetched that anyone from LE is involved, it's happened before. Drew Peterson comes to mind and also that serial killer cop from FL, can't think of his name?
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« Reply #717 on: June 10, 2011, 10:34:43 PM »

NO ONE is perfect ..not even LE or the FBI..yes something could have been overlooked....just saying.  Sometimes, some of the evidence goes unlooked at in another perspective....until someone reevalutates it..it happens with the FBI all the time.
 

Really not trying to be argumentative, but I'd sure like to see some sort of statistic regarding frequency on that statement. 

It has gone as an unsolved case too long. Personally, I just don't expect it to be.
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« Reply #718 on: June 10, 2011, 10:47:48 PM »

I really hope your wrong Fuzz. If it is a random perv who did it, I'd bet the farm they will do it again.
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« Reply #719 on: June 10, 2011, 10:49:38 PM »

I really do too, 313.  Have said that for years now.

Just reality to me.....but I understand there are other opinions, and respect that.
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