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For the VETERANS!!
« on: July 06, 2009, 02:00:53 PM »

Let it be known - We, on this side of LIBERTY, in Monroe WILL NOT FORGET, nor forsake what we have begun for you - and July 4th in the center of town was only the BEGINNING!

I have never been in combat, I have never seen war, nor bloodshed; but dammit if I am not committed to give you a country that will NOT abuse you but HONOR you for what you have given us - from the Revolution, until today, and onward...

WE REMEMBER your sacrifices, your courage, and your love for your country - we remember our HISTORY, and our heritage.

You anti-American zealots hiding behind your keyboards better know that OUR NATION'S MILITARY is on OUR SIDE; the side of LIBERTY!

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(he said "Fred" wasn't even a CHRISTIAN - but he was a MAN!)
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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 12:43:46 AM »

For a propaganda piece the video gets an A+.  For reality's sake the Military-style propaganda of the last 70 years has been absolute crap.  Nary an American has "fought for" or given his life for "our freedoms" or for "our way of life" since the 19th century, at best.  I have served in the US Army, I have "served our country in war time," and it was all a pack of lies I was fed, and that those who paid my salary were fed.  A damned crock of lies.  These days the "US Soldiers" and sundry other military men are offering themselves as a burnt offering on the altar of Israel; not for the country of their birth, not for the country they so claim to "represent."  It's been the same scenario for the last 100 years - so-called "Americans" being sacrificed for things they never gave a thought to.  So sign up your sons and daughters, sheeple - they're always in need of additional cannon-fodder...
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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 12:19:14 PM »

Duty,,,Honor,,,Country... ;D...that's why you jerks can spout your nonsense...we gave you your freedom ;D...you are a coward...that's easy to see...live on in your stupidity, Obama worshipper...
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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 02:23:55 AM »

And the part about our guys dying in defense of something that was NEVER part of America....? Did you forget that "tidbit" of information? Allow me to fill it in for you:

Are We a Democracy or a Republic?
1. THE SOLDIER'S TRAINING MANUAL1 issued by the War Department, November 30, 1928, set forth the exact and truthful definitions of a democracy and of a republic - this manual was ordered destroyed shortly after the "bank holiday" in the thirties by the infamous Franklin Delano Roosevelt (January 30, 1882 – April 12, 1945) thirty-second President of the United States, so that he could institute a democracy utilizing social security as a means to make everyone a slave to the Federal Government. THE SOLDIER'S TRAINING MANUAL used for all men in army uniform, it gave the definition of democracy: (TM2000-25: 118-120 DEMOCRACY)

"A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting of any, for direct expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic—negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy."

Webster’s 1828 Dictionary definitions:
DEMOCRACY: Government by the people; a form of government, in which the supreme powers is lodged in the hands of the people collectively, or in which the people exercise the power of legislation. Such was the government of Athens.
REPUBLIC: 1. A commonwealth; a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people. In modern usage, it differs from a democracy or democratic state, in which the people exercise the powers of sovereignty in person. Yet the democracies of Greece are often called REPUBLICS. 2. Common interest; the public. Republic of letters, the collective body of learned men.

Hallmarks of Democracy
"Mobocracy": rule according to the whims of majority public opinion.
"Judicial Legislation": rulings from the bench in conformity with "social policy".
"Democracy is a form of government that cannot long survive, for as soon as the people learn that they have a voice in the fiscal policies of the government, they will move to vote for themselves all the money in the treasury, and bankrupt the nation." - Karl Marx, author of the Communist Manifesto.

THE SOLDIER'S TRAINING MANUAL (TM2000-25: 120-121) REPUBLIC:
“Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.
Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.

Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.
A greater number of Citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.
Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.
Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.”

Hallmarks of a Constitutional Republic
All laws are written laws.
The lawful actions of government can arise from written authority only.
The laws must be written so that any Citizen of average intelligence can understand it, otherwise it must be held "void for vagueness".
"I pledge allegiance to the flag … and to the Republic for which it stands..." United States Pledge of Allegiance."
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government...." - Article 4 Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution.

http://freedom-school.com/are-we-a-democracy-or-a-republic.pdf

Today in the deserts of Afghanistan and Iraq our soldiers fight to bring "DEMOCRACY and the FREEDOM it ENSURES" to these lands and peoples, just as they fought to free DEMOCRACY from the iron grip of Hitler, and to defend DEMOCRACY against the Chinese and North Korean hoards, and let us NOT forget the jungles of South East Asia, nor the streets of Beirut.

Our leaders and citizens alike espouse the benefits and freedom DEMOCRACY "brings and ensures" us...

...   and I am derided for insisting that ONE MUST KNOW WHAT AND WHO HIS ENEMY IS BEFORE HE CAN EVER HOPE TO FIGHT AGAINST IT / HIM, MUCH LESS WIN.   

Perhaps the easiest thing for all would be if SPOOKYTOOTH just went away like this old field manual eh,..... so that everyone could get down to the business of saving something that hasn't existed for a very long time.
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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 09:09:10 AM »

...we gave you your freedom ...you are a coward...Obama worshipper...

That entire statement is nonsense: no man has given patriotic Americans anything at all, sir.  The freedoms we are endowed with have been incrementally usurped by men (just as our sovereignty as a nation has been incrementally ceded to ... others) and it takes the exact opposite of a coward to oppose those usurpations.  Only cowards would accept such a scenario without nary a whimper.  The slavish devotion shown the socialist Obamessiah is definitively cowardice, however, and I doubt you'd find anything of the sort on any thread entitled for the veterans of our republic.

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You anti-American zealots hiding behind your keyboards better know that OUR NATION'S MILITARY is on OUR SIDE; the side of LIBERTY!

This is also somewhat dangerous territory to be treading, Less.  I agree with the principle, entirely, but the statement as written is very misleading.  There was a time when our military men were real Americans steeped in patriotism and capable of resisting any internal tyranny, but no longer.  Just as the leaders of Hitler's SS were "just following orders" so do our mindless militarized automatons.  Nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them, and if that meant firing on a few sheeple here or there within our own borders - so be it.  All the "leaders" have to do is vilify their internal opposition (that would be us) in the wee minds of the "troops."  That is how it's done, and what has happened: World War II, Korea, VietNam, Gulf I & II were/are not our wars to be fought, they're Banksters Wars and Wars for Global Dominion on which altars both Americans and American sovereignty have been sacrificed.  We would glorify that to our peril.
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"For he who would be deceived, let him." - Roman maxim
"Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them." -Pope St. Felix III
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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2009, 04:14:47 PM »

That entire statement is nonsense: no man has given patriotic Americans anything at all, sir.  The freedoms we are endowed with have been incrementally usurped by men (just as our sovereignty as a nation has been incrementally ceded to ... others) and it takes the exact opposite of a coward to oppose those usurpations.  Only cowards would accept such a scenario without nary a whimper.  The slavish devotion shown the socialist Obamessiah is definitively cowardice, however, and I doubt you'd find anything of the sort on any thread entitled for the veterans of our republic.
 
This is also somewhat dangerous territory to be treading, Less.  I agree with the principle, entirely, but the statement as written is very misleading.  There was a time when our military men were real Americans steeped in patriotism and capable of resisting any internal tyranny, but no longer.  Just as the leaders of Hitler's SS were "just following orders" so do our mindless militarized automatons.  Nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them, and if that meant firing on a few sheeple here or there within our own borders - so be it.  All the "leaders" have to do is vilify their internal opposition (that would be us) in the wee minds of the "troops."  That is how it's done, and what has happened: World War II, Korea, VietNam, Gulf I & II were/are not our wars to be fought, they're Banksters Wars and Wars for Global Dominion on which altars both Americans and American sovereignty have been sacrificed.  We would glorify that to our peril.

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We overcame in WWI and WWII not because of any RIGHTEOUSNESS America or Americans possessed or do possess; we overcame simply because it was NOT the time for this nation to meet its end... no lessons can be learned if the student is removed prematurely from the classroom.

Korea marked the turning point militarily, note it was also at about this time (within a few years) that America's leaders officially turned from seeking God's assistance with overcoming our enemies to rather seeking the assistance of men; in the form of the "new" United Nations...our new Fearful Master.

Pax, you are correct about our current military personel, the one's who would present opposition to government orders to fire on Americans are being phased out of the system, or shipped off to far and distant places where there is no threat of them coming back from nor causing any "disciplinary issues", so to speak.   
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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2009, 10:39:14 PM »

The video is ABOUT the individual common CHARACTER that was mainstream, and existed inside the non-Christian man named "Fred" - the greatest thing about the video is where he says "that's the kind of men we had in this country fifty years ago!"

Now we have well-financed, minority population of militant effeminate homosexuals who think they are men badgering us for civil rights; and we likewise have spineless guys on television like Bill O'Reilly on the Fox News Channel who are afraid to state the obvious; that because Barney Frank is a homosexual, he cannot think straight enough to properly fulfill and execute his role to give us responsible legislation- our troops are NOT fighting for the normalizing of this behavior that God who give us freedom hates -

If we real men, do not behave real men; and FIGHT for this country, God will take away our freedom!

The passion is out there, the overwhelming majority knows this behavior is wrong; and it is just a behavior; like alcoholism is a willful decision to dull your conscience because you choose not to deal with life.

I want to see real men come out to the next "Tea Party"!! 
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2009, 10:50:33 PM »

The video is ABOUT the individual common CHARACTER that was mainstream, and existed inside the non-Christian man named "Fred" - the greatest thing about the video is where he says "that's the kind of men we had in this country fifty years ago!"

Now we have well-financed, minority population of militant effeminate homosexuals who think they are men badgering us for civil rights; and we likewise have spineless guys on television like Bill O'Reilly on the Fox News Channel who are afraid to state the obvious; that because Barney Frank is a homosexual, he cannot think straight enough to properly fulfill and execute his role to give us responsible legislation- our troops are NOT fighting for the normalizing of this behavior that God who give us freedom hates -

If we real men, do not behave real men; and FIGHT for this country, God will take away our freedom!

The passion is out there, the overwhelming majority knows this behavior is wrong; and it is just a behavior; like alcoholism is a willful decision to dull your conscience because you choose not to deal with life.

I want to see real men come out to the next "Tea Party"!!


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May be what happened to the other libs as well.

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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 06:24:09 AM »



Just What I wanted to see when I first wake up. NOPE. Please use a little class. I have Gays in my family and the true mark of discretion is not being crude. What folks do behind closed doors is up to them. They are not ALL  "Jacks". Many great men and women throughout history were and are Gay. The difference is they kept their dignity. Barney Frank is a fool, who let his then lover lead him down the path to financial foolishness. And he is still paying as are the American Taxpayers. Bill O'Reilly Pointed that out months ago, to Barneys' face. Can anyone say Fannie and Freddie.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 08:45:57 AM »

Why is it the loonie-lefties like FF have nothing more to contribute to adult conversation than insults?  Is it because the know they don't have the moral upper-hand, or is it because the conversation is so over their heads they'd do anything at all to be included in it?  Like a child.  "Mommy!  Mommy! Mommy! Look at me!"  Your distractions are increasingly losing their power to distract, FF: why don't you start a thread about sissy-boys rah-rah'ing your Obamessiah and the foreign troops he'll bring in to quell the coming "civil disorder" he's helping to cause...
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"For he who would be deceived, let him." - Roman maxim
"Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them." -Pope St. Felix III
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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2009, 12:11:10 PM »

Why is it the loonie-lefties like FF have nothing more to contribute to adult conversation than insults?  Is it because the know they don't have the moral upper-hand, or is it because the conversation is so over their heads they'd do anything at all to be included in it?  Like a child.  "Mommy!  Mommy! Mommy! Look at me!"  Your distractions are increasingly losing their power to distract, FF: why don't you start a thread about sissy-boys rah-rah'ing your Obamessiah and the foreign troops he'll bring in to quell the coming "civil disorder" he's helping to cause...

It is because they ...." have nothing more to contribute to adult conversation than insults..."   

Its not because its "over their heads",  its because they do not realize they have the potential of being more than just another talking head. They don't realize it because they themselves LIMIT their possibilities by indoctrinating their own minds into believing that they are no more than what they are. 

Call it the chimpanzee syndrome, or whatever....  its the same thing...   you teach (indoctrinate) a dog to attack on the word "love" long enough and eventually it will do so every time it hears that word.

If a person accepts and embraces a liberal viewpoint long enough without questioning it, it eventually becomes STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE without the person even having to THINK about what he / she is saying... as to whether or not it makes sense or not; it doesn't have too.... it just has to be blurted out because it  is the reasoning   of that person. 

THIS is what I have been trying to get through to everyone......     BEFORE you can hope to CHANGE anything you MUST correct YOUR OWN programming FIRST; otherwise you yourselves REPEAT, REFLECT, and  RE-AFFIRM the same incorrect indoctrination / programing back onto (into) those who you seek to FREE from it.

IT is NOT a PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT. It IS a manner of THINKING / REASONING ability.

IF you do not FIRST identify it... within yourselves and correct it.... within yourselves..... FIRST.... HOW can you ever HOPE to foster that change / correction in others....???

Once you have affected the correction within your own mind(s) THEN you can begin to see (there's that word again) UNDERSTAND how this incorrect reasoning (PROGRAMING) affects others in their thinking, reasoning, and actions. ONLY then do you have the potential to effect change in others.

IF you can effect change in the reasoning of another...good; if not... move on to the next person...  and so on.

P.S. >>   Why do you think God stated..."think not what you will say (or what your speech will be) for I will speak for you..." ?  Its BECAUSE Truth BECOMES the ONLY manner in which one can THINK and REASON...  and therefore comes out naturally when one speaks.

It is said that the eyes are a window onto the soul...

Not so sure about the philosophical points of that, but I do KNOW that one's SPEECH /  WORDS ARE a window into one's MIND.... what a person is thinking and HOW he is making and WILL make his / her decisions; be they of good intent or not. One's speech indicates the programing of one's mind, and one's MIND controls one's attitudes and actions. IF it is in one's heart (mind) to do evil, as indicated through one's speech, one's reasoning WILL do (result in) evil, regardless of the "intent" of one's "heart"

When I use the term "evil" it is because there are ONLY two attitudes available to man...   the attitude of doing Good  and the attitude of doing Evil. There is no "gray area". There is no "middle ground". There is only Good and Evil. If one does NOT possess an attitude of Good towards the current and future well being of others, physically and mentally, one possesses the attitude of Evil; no ifs, ands, or buts. Its that simple.  It only gets complicated when man injects "gray areas" and "middle ground" into the equation... and in so doing creates the basis and foundation for incorrect, incomplete, and inconsistent reasoning to take root in the psyche (mind).   
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Re: For the VETERANS!!
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2009, 12:13:45 PM »

Duty...Honor...Country...for all you little Obama A** kissers that didn't know that.... :-*
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2009, 12:22:02 PM »

Duty...Honor...Country...for all you little Obama A** kissers that didn't know that.... :-*

The attitude of " My country, RIGHT or WRONG...." ?  Sounds nice, but when one THINKS about it it really paints the person presenting it in a jaded  light.  That's HOW we got to HERE  in the first place.     :o 
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2009, 12:55:20 PM »

no SPOOKY; how we got here is God ORDERED it...unless of course you don't think He is ultimately in control?

We know who the Christ-haters are; but do we know who the double-minded leading the nation into serfdom are?

God does - and I am doing my best to draw away the simple, the deceived, the concerned, and the truly patriotic from their trappings.

It's still the people's choice; but God hates a false balance - and He is making that known to all!

Proverbs 12:6  The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2009, 01:21:37 PM »

no SPOOKY; how we got here is God ORDERED it...unless of course you don't think He is ultimately in control?

We know who the Christ-haters are; but do we know who the double-minded leading the nation into serfdom are?

God does - and I am doing my best to draw away the simple, the deceived, the concerned, and the truly patriotic from their trappings.

It's still the people's choice; but God hates a false balance - and He is making that known to all!

Proverbs 12:6  The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

But according to what you have said in the past NO ONE can know the mind of God.....? This nation is already in serfdom, so it cannot be led into that which it is already in...some however may be able to be led away from that; but they first must realize that it exists and that they are enslaved to it.

Consider this...  at what point does Patriotism become Anti- Christian? ... At the point it becomes idolatry. So at what point does one separate himself from the movement toward Patriotism in order to maintain his focus centerred on God...?

You criticize me for what I say; yet the focus of my postings has remained centered on God.   
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