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[Lon Winters]

since we're talking theories here....

maybe GK was already told by someone that he was going back to jail anyway, with his already being in contact with JB/child

That's a possibility, but even so, there's a difference between going back to jail for parole violation and risking going back for life for murder. I just don't see the motivation for GK to "help" JB, or anyone else for that matter, out of a jam - there would have to be something in it for him.

[Susan T]

I wonder if the killer reads these posts.....kind of like returning to the scene of the crime......maybe the killer even posts here.....tossing in some red herrings to slow the investigation down.

Frankly if I had nothing left to go on, I'd investigate the participants of these discussions.

I'd leave no stone unturned.

The sick mind just might be doing as you say.In a sense"returning".

[BigRedDog]

This is the latest I've seen on the carpet fibers...

http://www.wwj.com/Carpet-Fibers-Focus-In-Nevaeh-Case/4813882

[Shop Rat]

I am guessing they have an approximate time in mind that she was buried there. I know this sounds horribly gruesome, but the longer she would have been in the make shift grave, the more time that bugs would have been able to deteriorate the tissue. (ants , etc.)  I am guessing that they think she was put there close to the time she was found, and that is why they are thinking she could have been buried alive. Who ever is responsible, could have been hiding her somewhere until they took her to the site where she was found.

Only problem I see with your guess / theory is that, had she been kept alive and put there shortly before she was found, as you have surmised, then the (reported) strong stench of human decomposition would not have been present. It takes a few days for a human body to do that. 

[rumrunner]

And the carpet fibers underneath her nails.....It's been reported that all (or most) of the carpets at CA were the same.  There must be "one" distinguishing factor? Just guessing or wondering at this point.  I do feel pretty much the same as a previous poster's "guesstimation" that maybe JB got mad after Nevaeh wet her pants and something happened after that. Her trip back to K-mart still bothers me.......I don't know why but if it was my child/grandchild, that is not what would cross my mind to do.  It makes no sense. However, this whole ordeal makes no sense so I'm just typing out of frustration I guess. This case needs to be solved! And I believe it will be.

[Susan T]

The intestines are packed with millions of micro-organisms that don't die with the person. These organisms start to break down the dead cells of the intestines, while some, especially bacteria called clostridia and coliforms, start to invade other parts of the body.

At the same time the body undergoes its own intrinsic breakdown under the action of enzymes and other chemicals which have been released by the dead cells.
The decomposing tissues release green substances and gas.

There will be a smell as gases such as hydrogen sulphide (rotten egg smell), methane and traces of mercaptans are released. This stage is reached in  after about four to six days, much faster in the warm weather and slower in cold or dry conditions.

Air and insects also contribute to the rate of decomposition.

I re-read my post. I clearly said that I was "guessing" more than once. I don't believe I gave an exact time frame. My guess is that she was not there the entire 12 days.  I have never said I couldn't be wrong. My guess comes from what we have been told, which is very little.

Riv,you are right, And we all need to remember that it was fairly cool, during that time frame. There were frost advisories. That slows down decomp. I was so worried because the first few nights were cold and rainy and she was wearing a sleeveless shirt. It has been reported that concrete dust was also found in her throat. I too believe she was kept and then moved there. Reports said that she was unrecognizable, so insect and the moisture played a hand in this.How long? No one will say.LE has a time frame,I'm sure of this. As they have said, these are things that they and the killer knows. There will be an arrest made soon..The family is suffering enough, I too, hope they will be left alone to grieve Nevaehs loss.

[just_cause]

The sheriff said the exact day or time of her death couldn't be determined, but the autopsy indicated she died shortly after she was discovered to be missing from her home. "I can't give you a day or time. But it would have been soon after she disappeared. Within a window of a day or so, if not on that very same evening."

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090715/NEWS02/907150347


i think the insect activity would tell if she was put there shortly after death. 

the poorly mixed concrete began to become weak because of the gases, imo.  that's why it started to crack and crumble when the fisherman set his feet on it.  i think it would've eventually crumble on it's own.

whoever put her there sure didn't take much time.  the grave wasn't very deep and the concrete was made half @ss.

 

[Lon Winters]

The sheriff said the exact day or time of her death couldn't be determined, but the autopsy indicated she died shortly after she was discovered to be missing from her home. "I can't give you a day or time. But it would have been soon after she disappeared. Within a window of a day or so, if not on that very same evening."

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090715/NEWS02/907150347


i think the insect activity would tell if she was put there shortly after death. 

the poorly mixed concrete began to become weak because of the gases, imo.  that's why it started to crack and crumble when the fisherman set his feet on it.  i think it would've eventually crumble on it's own.

whoever put her there sure didn't take much time.  the grave wasn't very deep and the concrete was made half @ss.

They would also examine stomach contents - I'm not sure exactly what could be determined and in what time frame, but that could provide some clues as to day and time of death.

[justbeingme]

The sheriff said the exact day or time of her death couldn't be determined, but the autopsy indicated she died shortly after she was discovered to be missing from her home. "I can't give you a day or time. But it would have been soon after she disappeared. Within a window of a day or so, if not on that very same evening."

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090715/NEWS02/907150347


i think the insect activity would tell if she was put there shortly after death. 

the poorly mixed concrete began to become weak because of the gases, imo.  that's why it started to crack and crumble when the fisherman set his feet on it.  i think it would've eventually crumble on it's own.

whoever put her there sure didn't take much time.  the grave wasn't very deep and the concrete was made half @ss.

 

I thought I heard them say that she had been dead approximately for one week when they found her. Maybe I am mistaken but if that is true...whoever did it, kept her alive for a little while. May 24th to June 4th is a 10day span. I would estimate she was kept alive for no longer than 3days. That is JMO.

In my opinion the person(s) who did this, probably knew that a body buried by water would decompose fast, plus with the nights of rain we had that week helped it decompose even faster.
 
The concrete I heard was in an oval shape formed slab, in fact I have a piece of that concrete from the burial site. It ranges from about 3/4inch thick around the edges to about 1 1/2in thick just 3inches from the outer edge....plus remember the fisherman said it cracked in the middle...it definitely was not just poured over the body..it had to have been formed somehow but in an uneven way, or like previous statement of the gases breaking down the concrete could have caused it to break away faster.

Remember also, they said there was no trauma to the body.
In my opinion if there was no trauma, she had to have been buried  unconsious.
 I really think that she would have put up a fight if she would have been awake, therefore causing some trauma at the very least to her body by the murderer holding her down.

All I know is I am really sick to my stomach over this whole situation.
To think that the person(s) quilty is still out there lerking around is scary.

An eye for an eye should rule in this case...
make the person(s) responsible for Nevaeh's death suffer EXACTLY like she did.

[Shop Rat]

I re-read my post. I clearly said that I was "guessing" more than once. I don't believe I gave an exact time frame. My guess is that she was not there the entire 12 days.  I have never said I couldn't be wrong. My guess comes from what we have been told, which is very little.

I re-read my post as well, and I'm pretty sure I said GUESS in it, and I don't recall inferring that you stated you couldn't be wrong. Nobody knows the real truth at this point (well, somebody does, but they aint sayin'), so there's no call for getting defensive about it.

[just_cause]

Thank you, I had not seen that report.
I never once said I couldn't be wrong. 

that's ok!  i thought i had read that then started doubting myself so scurried thru all the articles til i found it.

[mtown]

Senseless.

Damn the people involved with this! I hope we find out who it is and deliver punishment justly (town center hanging)

Hanging is to good for this monster/monsters! I hope he/her rotts in hell. When I read this I almost threw up. I hope this lil' one didn't suffer. It reminds me of the hell Jessica Lunsford went through. I still have nightmares about her death. John Couey is a sick muther flucker!
I hope to God the prisoners are making his life pure hell!

[chris12]

Hey... has anyone thought about JB stating she was stealing to support her "drug habit"? So she went to jail...well what ever happened to her "drug bill"? Did she owe money and never paid up? So they took her poor little child that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!! because they thought it would hurt her!?!?!?
Any thoughts?