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[Mike Ingels]

Ah, bummer, I'm screwed by the unexpected variant.

[John Kopke]

You goof nugget.  Talk about a content-free response.  Resorting to the old you-can't-spell-so-you-are-stupid argument.

I was hoping for a nice exposition of the Republican plan for the economy.

Mike:
Matter of fact, first time I've hit on the spell thing. Don't much care for it. However, if you have read many of Ducks posts spelling isn't normally an issue. For whatever reason the man is blathering tonight.

[Frenchfry]

FF:
German last name yes. Stepped in what? Am I advocating destroying the union? Did I call for a internal civilian force, equal to the military, to guard against internal dissention? Obama did.

Does anybody out there have anything on what Obama is doing to improve the economy?

The Current Situation

President Obama inherited a terrible mess: a $1.3 trillion deficit, two wars, rising unemployment and unprecedented crises in our banking system. The Obama Administration has worked tirelessly to address our immediate problems of rising unemployment, falling home prices and limping credit markets, while taking a longer view in laying a strong foundation for future economic growth that benefits all Americans. We are fighting for economic recovery on all fronts.
The Solution

*Get the economy back on track:

      President Obama signed legislation to jumpstart our economy, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, less than a month after his inauguration. The plan will save or create 3.5 million new jobs, make critical investments in our infrastructure and give 95 percent of working Americans a tax cut.
   
*Fight the housing and financial crises:

      A new housing program has stabilized the market, preventing more foreclosures and helping millions more re-finance at historically low mortgage rates. The Administration is also moving forward with its plans to get credit flowing again to businesses and families, and to reform our regulatory system so we have a set of 21st century rules to match 21st century financial markets.
   
*Rebuild our economy on a new, sustainable foundation:

      By making bold and wise investments in healthcare, energy and education, and restoring fiscal accountability to government spending, we will cut costs for American families and businesses, create good jobs that can’t be shipped overseas, give our children the education they need to be competitive in the global marketplace and leave our grandchildren a legacy they can be proud to inherit.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[livewire]

... and give 95 percent of working Americans a tax cut.
   

Who?  Which 95%?

When?

How much of a tax cut?

Will it be the same old shell game (like Granholm pulled), where they cut taxes in one area a little bit, only to raise them four times as much in another area?

[ducksoup]

Thanks for teh critique of my typing.  It was instructive.  Now if we could only do something aboout your blatheringly incessant insults we would eb getting somewhere. 

So, John, going to do your usual and just write off what I say rather than actually try and think yourself a real response.

[ducksoup]

FF:
German last name yes. Stepped in what? Am I advocating destroying the union? Did I call for a internal civilian force, equal to the military, to guard against internal dissention? Obama did.

Does anybody out there have anything on what Obama is doing to improve the economy?

WHere did that cme from, some radical neocon site?  Or did you go white supremecist for that one?

[ducksoup]

Who?  Which 95%?

When?

How much of a tax cut?

Will it be the same old shell game (like Granholm pulled), where they cut taxes in one area a little bit, only to raise them four times as much in another area?

Live, I think that the commonly called stimulus bill had middle class tax cuts in it.  It wasn't much.  I think maybe equal to keeping $24.0 a month for most people.  It was what Republicans insisted be in it to vote for it, it also is responsible for a good deal of the bills cost.  On a side note.  They insisted it be there and then didn't vote for teh bill anyway.

Not sure if that addresses your question though.

[daphne]

You know, I haven't commented on this forum in weeks because it's the same old, same old. And I'll admit up front that I didn't get past three replies in this topic because of this:

I'll invite the families of the 3000 murdered on 9-12 and you can bring in your low level military buddies (whose uniforms were they wearing by the way?) and we'll discuss how awful we treated these low life folks. We'll compare one of our worst trans-
gressions of threatening with a drill, without using it, to the video tape of Daniel Pearl screaming as you buddies sliced off his head.

But if you really believe this, Kopke, you're more unAmerican, more Cheney-blowing, more rabid, insane, forget-the-Constitution at all costs radical than I gave you credit for being. That's the most solipsistic, point A to point Z digression I've ever heard. Drink the Kool-Aid? You're punch drunk.

In case you've forgotten, we're America for a reason. If you don't think it matters, you're sadly, hypocritically, pathetically mistaken. Our values, ideals, principals and absolutes cannot be derailed by one high-profile kidnapping/beheading. The ends never justified the means in America -- we stood for something and it mattered. Water it down all you want, but I will never -- and, thank God, others like me value it, too -- piss it away because some discount-rate vice president thought he could command some second-rate glory.

You brought up the torture issue. the topic may be the economy -- and there's a lot to be said about that -- but you blew it with your toss away, cavalier comment. My government and the military it commands is better than that -- and they know it. So shut the hell up.

[Frenchfry]

Welcome back daphne......I'm always in awe of your posts

[livewire]

Yeah, that's what I heard, Duck, but I didn't see any tax cut in my paycheck....  And with BO spending all this fake money they're printing, along with a "tax cut" for 95% of us working slobs, where are they going to get the money to pay back all the money he's borrowed?

True, Bush managed to get the deficit up to around 1.3 Trillion after eight years (no, I am not a Bush fan).  But Obama increased the deficit to over 3 Trillion (possibly much more) in just a few months!  That is NOT the answer, people.  That's like paying off one of your credit cards with another credit card, then going right out and spend so much on the first card, to where it's maxed out again!  Now you have TWO cards to pay off.

But what the hell!!!  You had a lot of fun shopping while you did it, huh?

Makes no friggin sense to me.

This country is in a LOT of trouble.

[ducksoup]

Yeah, that's what I heard, Duck, but I didn't see any tax cut in my paycheck....  And with BO spending all this fake money they're printing, along with a "tax cut" for 95% of us working slobs, where are they going to get the money to pay back all the money he's borrowed?

True, Bush managed to get the deficit up to around 1.3 Trillion after eight years (no, I am not a Bush fan).  But Obama increased the deficit to over 3 Trillion (possibly much more) in just a few months!  That is NOT the answer, people.  That's like paying off one of your credit cards with another credit card, then going right out and spend so much on the first card, to where it's maxed out again!  Now you have TWO cards to pay off.

But what the hell!!!  You had a lot of fun shopping while you did it, huh?

Makes no friggin sense to me.

This country is in a LOT of trouble.

Live, this is teh way I see it, so take it as such.  If Obama did nothing, it is not jsut my opinion, but most experts also, that the economy would have gone into a full blown depression like the Gret depression.  That was teh point of giving them the bailouts, not to keep them wealthy and getting their billions in bionus's, but so the economy didn't collapse for the rest of us.  It was an attempt to shore up teh banks so they had the capital to keep lending.  THat they didn't lend was not the governments doing (although they should have corrected it).

I don't know if the side of that stuff is being done right.  Teh fed isn't the most reliable institution.  But, I think that trying to do something is better than doing nthing and having another Great Depression.

Yes, the bill will come due, and I hope that it gets paid back by whoever is in charge at the time.  Some things he is doing are intended to reduce teh ever increasing costs, like healthcare.  SOme are just to keep things going.  The only time I remember a relatively good budgeting was under CLinton, and that did nothing for the Natinal debt, unless I remember wrong.  So, in my lifetime I am unsure if any govt. paid back into the debt, and not just the interest.  That does need to change. After all, what is the interest each year in trillions 3?  That is a lot of interest.

[ducksoup]

Just pulling numbers from my head live, but I think that Bush increased teh debt by 5or 5 1/2 trillion to just over 11 trillion total.   Not sure if those numbers are perfect, but pretty sure they are real close.

ANd thanks for expressing your views without personal insults.  It makes communicating a lot easier.

[John Kopke]

You know, I haven't commented on this forum in weeks because it's the same old, same old. And I'll admit up front that I didn't get past three replies in this topic because of this:

But if you really believe this, Kopke, you're more unAmerican, more Cheney-blowing, more rabid, insane, forget-the-Constitution at all costs radical than I gave you credit for being. That's the most solipsistic, point A to point Z digression I've ever heard. Drink the Kool-Aid? You're punch drunk.

In case you've forgotten, we're America for a reason. If you don't think it matters, you're sadly, hypocritically, pathetically mistaken. Our values, ideals, principals and absolutes cannot be derailed by one high-profile kidnapping/beheading. The ends never justified the means in America -- we stood for something and it mattered. Water it down all you want, but I will never -- and, thank God, others like me value it, too -- piss it away because some discount-rate vice president thought he could command some second-rate glory.

You brought up the torture issue. the topic may be the economy -- and there's a lot to be said about that -- but you blew it with your toss away, cavalier comment. My government and the military it commands is better than that -- and they know it. So shut the hell up.

Dapne:
Spare me the naive sanctimony. During WWII we bombed civilians, and it wasn't an accident. So KMA!

[ducksoup]

WEll, John, you started a topic and have either diverted the topic or used it mostly as an insult platform.  I guess you were just trolling and not serious about talking to anyone like an adult.

[jbs49238]

So much for Obama and the Democrats carving out any change that they promised.

First of all Bush and Obama should have let all those poorly run corporations fail, just like ENRON got to fail, then the asses that caused the problems (I am sure that there was some (or a TON) of market manipulation and fraud involved) be prosecuted just like the ENRON execs.  Instead we just keep appointing them to government positions.  How many Goldman Sachs execs work for or worked for Bush and Obama?

We send billions of dollars to other countries when we have more trouble at home than we know what to do with.  Bush and Cheney had Haliburtan and Blackwater, Obama has Soros and GE.

The spending is killing our country but since Bush did it Obama feels it is OK to make the same mistake three fold.

The wars we are involved in were unjust when Bush started them and they are putting additional unneeded strain on our country financially.  I was under the understanding that these wars were coming to an end under an Obama Administration, they have not, and do not appear to be any time soon.  It appears that we are beginning to lose control in Afghanistan and MORE troops will be needed.

You partisans crack me up!  You somehow or another think the way to follow up the worst Administration in the past 100 years is to support the worst Administration in the next 100 years.  You have yourselves painted into a corner.  Obama and Bush have done and are doing things that are disastrous for our country but you bite your tongues if "your guy" is in the House, and scream bloody murder when "the other guy" resides there.  You guys argue like politics is a big game, Republicans vs Democrats.  While you all are distracted with your inability to see that there is no difference between the parties anymore you fail to notice both parties have been shooting at the same goal for about 21 years now.

In case you missed it the Bush Administration was less conservative than the Clinton Administration and we are supposed to believe that Clinton was the big bad Liberal devil.

The bailouts did not happen because they had to.  Had nothing happened in September there would have been some companies that went away but in reality they probably should have anyways.  Instead of collapse and investigation, we got bailout and printing of cash. 

Neither Administration or Party has the common sense or forsight to see that the end result of what is happening today [outrageous spending] is not an artificially boosted economy (short term result), the end result will be the utter collapse of our economy as we know it.  Bush started us down this road, and Obama is going to do his best to finish the job, and you know what?  A broken country is exactly what the suits in DC want.  It was the current Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel that stated a good crisis should not be wasted.  And yet we argue and bicker with each other?  All in the name of Republican or Democrat?  The wolves have run off the foxes that were guarding the henhouse!  I always wonder that when Bush and Obama met after the election for dinner and to talk transition if Obama just didn't flat out shake Bush's hand and say "You've got us off to a good start, I'll take it from here."

When I first started posting here I used the tag line "Dance puppets dance....".  You are and Washington thanks you.

So in short to answer Kopke's question:  NOTHING!

The Obama administration has done nothing that will lead our economy to any long term recovery.  No different now than the last 8 years.  Only the economy and the American people can fix the economy.