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« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2013, 03:49:02 PM »

Michigan's Sex Offenders Could Face Annual Fees

A bill to require the more than 40,000 people on Michigan's sex offender registry to pay an annual fee is igniting a debate over who should bear the costs for operating and maintaining the state's system used to track offenders. #Registered sex offenders already are required to pay a one-time $50 fee, but some lawmakers want to charge them $50 every year to cover the $600,000 a year cost to operate the database. The state says the move could bring in about $540,000 more in revenue each year. #Sex offenders "put themselves onto this registry by their actions," said Republican Sen. Rick Jones of Grand Ledge, who is sponsoring the legislation that is headed to the Senate floor, but not yet scheduled for a vote. "Therefore, they need to pay a fee to maintain it." #But opponents, which include the American Civil Liberties Union, say it's merely a feel-good measure that ignores experiences in other states where the promise of more revenue falls well short of expectations and is an overly burdensome cost for registered sex offenders who already struggle to find housing and jobs. #"They have paid their dues ... this is a burden that we just keep piling on," said Shelli Weisberg, legislative liaison for ACLU of Michigan. She argues that the state is not asking offenders to pay for something that benefits them, but something that is intended to protect citizens. Therefore, the state should pay for it.

Read more at: http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/mar/24/michigans-sex-offenders-could-face-annual-fees/

More Republican right-wing idiocy.
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« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2013, 03:58:45 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2013, 07:44:23 AM »

Aside from the possibility that those warrants could be on people not yet adjudicated...and not actually convicted...the law, rammed through by the get tougher on crime Republican majority, ignores what people must do to survive.
Republican policies are responsible for the way the job market is today and having a police record already makes it near impossible to become productive members of society.
The R's made sure those asking for help will not receive it...no matter how bad a person feels about making the mistake that caused their record in the first place...straightening their lives out will no longer be an option without assistance.
Common sense dictates they'll do whatever it takes to survive.
Attacking those on the lowest rungs of the ladder is despicable.
It's quite simply the Republicans imposing the will of their rich masters to wage class-warfare on the poor.
Only one thing will help at this point...vote the empty-headed corrupt R's out of office.

I know a few people who have done stupid things in their past, and none of them have needed free money to get back up on their feet.  They WORKED at it, struggled, sacrificed some things, and made themselves successful.

No one is attacking people on the lowest rungs of the ladder... But I don't want to carry people up that ladder.  They can take those steps on their own.
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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2013, 11:08:18 AM »

The article is very poorly written or is being misunderstood, IMO.  After reading it and doing a google search I found that those that were arrested already had outstanding felony warrants (see MSP link below).  IOW, they were not barred from assistance because of the warrant (had they not been receiving assistance they would not have been located) they were picked up and taken into custody because agencies are now sharing information to learn the whereabouts of people with open warrants. 

According to the MSP press release, "The joint initiative has its roots in a 2007 pilot program between the OIG and MSP Fugitive Team. At that time, the system had to be combed manually for a match, but the new process is fully automated, allowing the MSP and DHS to rapidly check and match benefit rolls against outstanding felony warrants."  In essence while the 2011 law (PA 198 & 199) set in stone the sharing of information the initiative began in 2007 (four years prior to the passing of 198 & 199 and a time when Gov. Granholm would have been in office). 

One thing of note from the MSP Press release is that this program seemed to not only help protect children but also took illegal weapons off the street, identified retailers possibly committing fraud and found suspected drugs or drug houses.  "In one incident, a subject was arrested for possessing methamphetamine, which led to several other subsequent arrests, the removal of two children from the home and valuable investigative information about several retailers improperly accepting Bridge Cards."  Additionally, the press release stated; "In the Bay/Thumb region troopers cleared 214 of 698 felony arrest warrants, visiting a total of 699 locations, resulting in the recovery of two stolen hand guns, two long guns, cocaine and marijuana."

Although, the state may bar some public assistance to convicted felons (after a conviction) it seems similar to Federal Laws (stipulations) that limit people convicted of felony and or drug convictions from receiving PELL Grants along with Housing Assistance.  BTW, I could not find the actual law from the state of Michigan to cite but really did not look that hard because, IMO, this article does not fit the narrative that the State is somehow acting to hold people down. 

There is a good discussion about the exchange of information within agencies that could come from this however that should have been had in 2007 when the initiative began and not now once the genie is out of the bottle. 

MSP Press Release:

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1586-297309--rss,00.html

Pell Grant information (ref. offenders):

http://allhighered.blogspot.com/2011/12/question-about-pell-grant-eligibility.html

HUD eligibility (ref. offenders):

http://www.reentry.net/ny/library/attachment.185121

MI Legislature ref. PA 198 and 199 of 2011:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/publicacttable/pdf/2011-PAT.pdf


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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2013, 07:55:49 PM »

Ohio Jailing People for Being Poor

The ACLU released a new report called, "The Outskirts of Hope," which reveals that courts in seven counties across Ohio routinely imprison people who can't afford to pay court fines for small offenses. This is illegal, as in 1983, the US Supreme Court ruled that putting people in prison because they can't afford to pay court fines is unconstitutional. Yet the practice remains widespread in Ohio.

The Resident: Ohio Jailing People for Being Poor

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Ohio jails debtors

According to a report by the ACLU of Ohio, the state is putting people in jail for for not paying their debts. The study revealed that 1 of 5 people in Heron County prisons were behind bars due to failing to pay pending obligations even though the practice was outlawed in 1833.

Ohio jails debtors
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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2013, 07:58:29 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2013, 08:23:13 PM »

Sounds like Fuzz's dream incarceration....

It Was Hell- Drag Queen Sues After Being Jailed In Women's Prison
Look...while the title does include the word "dumb"... it wasn't intended as a silent personal invitation to have you dump your irrelevant contributions here. You've done quite enough ruining the forum as it is.
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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2013, 08:45:19 AM »

Look...while the title does include the word "dumb"... it wasn't intended as a silent personal invitation to have you dump your irrelevant contributions here. You've done quite enough ruining the forum as it is.

You should know.  You're the expert when it comes to irrelevant contributions here.
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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2013, 12:31:16 AM »

Republican Lawmakers Introduce Bill To Allow Business Owners To Discriminate Against Homosexuals

Republican Lawmakers Introduce Bill To Allow Business Owners To Discriminate Against Homosexuals
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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2013, 12:32:51 AM »

Saggy Pants BANNED - Racial Profiling?

"Pants on the ground? Better pull 'em up fast if you're in Louisiana's Terrebonne Parish, where a new law bans the low-slung, undies-exposing jeans look popularized by hip-hop culture."*

There's a ban on saggy pants in Louisiana's Terrebonne Parish. But is clothing the something the government can actually regulate?

Saggy Pants BANNED - Racial Profiling?
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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2013, 12:33:59 AM »

Indiana wants to make exposing animal abuse illegal

The state of Indiana is fighting to make it a crime to secretly record the practices of businesses and share the footage with the intent to put the company in a bad light. Despite the numerous cases of video showcasing animal mistreatment on farms being leaked to the media, state lawmakers are putting a controversial "ag-gag" bill back on the table to protect these establishments .

Indiana wants to make exposing animal abuse illegal
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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2013, 08:09:38 PM »

Girl Faces FELONY for Science Experiment 'Bomb'

"On 7 a.m. on Monday, the 16-year-old mixed some common household chemicals in a small eight-ounce water bottle on the grounds of Bartow High School in Bartow, Florida," reports the Miami New Times.

The result? Apparently a small pop and a bit of smoke. But Bartow High School authorities decided that the "experiment" was grounds for Wilmot's arrest, and her expulsion from the school."*

A teenage girl is expelled and is now under arrest and facing felony charges for a science project gone wrong. Kiera Wilmot's future is in serious jeopardy for mixing household chemicals in a bottle, producing a small "pop" sound, and now she's being charged with having a bomb or explosive device. Why are law enforcement and officials coming down on her this hard?

Outrageous - Girl Faces FELONY for Science Experiment 'Bomb'
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