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[sammy]

Ya got me. I mean you found a particular point of view that fits with your particular point of view...so it must be true, right?
Well I think you deserve a Bozo button for the effort.
Please just send your address and I get it shipped right out to you.
Thanks.

I'll, or did your fat fingers just make a mess?You're so Quick to point out anyone's mistakes, so I thought I'd point out one of yours. Have a nice day!

[Frenchfry]

I'll, or did your fat fingers just make a mess?You're so Quick to point out anyone's mistakes, so I thought I'd point out one of yours. Have a nice day!

Thanks. Not sure how I missed that. When it comes to typing...I'm still a pecker. 

[Frenchfry]

You do realize that the author that you cited, Jesse Walker,  compared the Left, Right and Center extremists.  He concluded by warning about the Center.  It was the conclusion of the article.

I would be interested in reading any studies that can support your claims that the right extremists are more violent then the left. 

It would appear that the Russian Communist Party and the National Socialist German Workers' Party have a pretty big lead.

Well the site is reason.com....so one would naturally assume a propaganda piece supporting the right-wing agenda...but the information contained actually did quite the opposite.

It was almost a compilation of entirely right-wing wrongs....the last paragraph tried to blur the lines but anyone with an iota of critical thinking skills can clearly see the righties are nuts.

As for your interest in the right being more violent than the left....just re-read the entire story.

Of course you may arrive at the same conclusions...some people are incapable of thinking beyond what they've been indoctrinated to think.

Or it could be as innocuous as a Rorschach test....perceptions differ.

Your inclusion of communists and socialists are irrelevant to the discussion but you're certainly free to prove otherwise. The onus is on you.

[excelsior]

Well the site is reason.com....so one would naturally assume a propaganda piece supporting the right-wing agenda...but the information contained actually did quite the opposite.

It was almost a compilation of entirely right-wing wrongs....the last paragraph tried to blur the lines but anyone with an iota of critical thinking skills can clearly see the righties are nuts.

As for your interest in the right being more violent than the left....just re-read the entire story.

Of course you may arrive at the same conclusions...some people are incapable of thinking beyond what they've been indoctrinated to think.

Or it could be as innocuous as a Rorschach test....perceptions differ.

Your inclusion of communists and socialists are irrelevant to the discussion but you're certainly free to prove otherwise. The onus is on you.

You could have saved a lot of typing and said "no,  I cannot support my position with a study"

You appear to be making the claim so it is on you to prove it.

I will support my position about the Russian Communist Party.  Lets start with Stalin political victims:

Stephen G. Wheatcroft, "Victims of Stalinism and the Soviet Secret Police: The Comparability and Reliability of the Archival Data. Not the Last Word", Source: Europe-Asia Studies, Vol. 51, No. 2 (Mar. 1999)

pre 1937
death penalties, 799,473;
camps and prisons, 2,634397;

1937–52
34,228 death penalties,
2,066,637 sentences for 0–1 year
4,362,973 for 2–5 years
1,611,293 for 6–10 years
286,795 for more than 10 years

I think the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NAZI) work is well known, but I can support with references if needed.

[Baggins]

So what information is provided on this site that is not available through a google search?

My guess is they are inciting folks to hit the "Donate" button

The problem I have with the list is that it was purposely made and intended for those that have deep seeded ideologies on the issue(some of them quite disturbing!)...It's not much different than making a list of Jews in your neighborhood and giving it to a group of anti-semitics...While the list it's self might not be the problem, it's what can be done with the information that is troubling...

[jbs49238]

Ya got me. I mean you found a particular point of view that fits with your particular point of view...so it must be true, right?
Well I think you deserve a Bozo button for the effort.
Please just send your address and I'll get it shipped right out to you.
Thanks.

Well it has worked in your mind for about 20,200 of your 20,248 posts right?  Really you critcizing someone for accepting a copy paste as truth is about as hypocritical as anyone could possibly get.  Of course having 20,200 Bozo buttons in your house I can see where your family would probably really be pushing you to start shipping some out.  I wonder if we should sent the crew from hoarders out?

I digress.

excelsior,

Fry of course feels that only right wing folks are violent.  Left wing violence is neccessary to keep the world in line, right wing violence is the action of fanatics.  Instead of taking the approach that 99% of rational reasonable people would take, which is that violence is ALWAYS WRONG regardless of the source, Fry chooses to marginalize it by applying a political spin to it.

[excelsior]

The problem I have with the list is that it was purposely made and intended for those that have deep seeded ideologies on the issue(some of them quite disturbing!)...It's not much different than making a list of Jews in your neighborhood and giving it to a group of anti-semitics...While the list it's self might not be the problem, it's what can be done with the information that is troubling...

If this site was posting private addresses and unpublished numbers, I would find it troubling.  All I the information that I found on the site is public information that is available to anyone motivated to look.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

I would fear anyone that is motivated to strike out based on hate. 

I fail to see how this site or having the location of clinics/temples on Google maps would motivate anyone to such actions.

[excelsior]

excelsior,

Fry of course feels that only right wing folks are violent.  Left wing violence is neccessary to keep the world in line, right wing violence is the action of fanatics.  Instead of taking the approach that 99% of rational reasonable people would take, which is that violence is ALWAYS WRONG regardless of the source, Fry chooses to marginalize it by applying a political spin to it.

I was taken back that someone would post an article, dismiss the author's conclusion, discredit the publisher and yet claim it supports his position.   

I find folks that refer to themselves in third person fascinating, but psychology is not my field of study.  I will always defer the experts on such matters.

[Frenchfry]

Well it has worked in your mind for about 20,200 of your 20,248 posts right?  Really you critcizing someone for accepting a copy paste as truth is about as hypocritical as anyone could possibly get.  Of course having 20,200 Bozo buttons in your house I can see where your family would probably really be pushing you to start shipping some out.  I wonder if we should sent the crew from hoarders out?

I digress.

excelsior,

Fry of course feels that only right wing folks are violent.  Left wing violence is neccessary to keep the world in line, right wing violence is the action of fanatics.  Instead of taking the approach that 99% of rational reasonable people would take, which is that violence is ALWAYS WRONG regardless of the source, Fry chooses to marginalize it by applying a political spin to it.

Sometimes I wonder what type of drugs righties must be taking to read something into what they've read that doesn't exist.

Righties usually take things out of context or they have brain farts where their mind wanders out into left field in which they drag the topic in that direction.

Here's an idea...try making your case about the TOPIC and stop hurling personal attacks against people actually making substantive contributions.

Taking the low road only results in retaliatory responses.

While I'm sure excelsior appreciates your typical right-wing brown-nosing.....it appears his attack dog of the month campaign doesn't need any assistance.

As for the topic....there are far more examples of right-wing violence than the left.

Only a pinhead would try to include obscure irrelevant data from outside the US...even if other examples can't be found.

[Frenchfry]

I was taken back that someone would post an article, dismiss the author's conclusion, discredit the publisher and yet claim it supports his position.   

I find folks that refer to themselves in third person fascinating, but psychology is not my field of study.  I will always defer the experts on such matters.

What exactly is your area of expertise?
Couldn't help but notice your post in this topic but you deleted it before I could respond.

You said I FAILED to post the last paragraph.
Guess your agenda caused your temporary blindness.   
Typical rightie...use talking points to create confusion, argue inane trivial points and attack the messenger when all else fails.

[Baggins]

I fail to see how this site or having the location of clinics/temples on Google maps would motivate anyone to such actions.

This isn't about Google maps, it's about a purpose made list created to find these individuals and posted specifically for those most opposed to their actions...I think that is wrong and opens a door to violence...The motivation for violence is already there, the list gives an outlet.

[Frenchfry]

Graphic Warning!
Cat Murdered, 'LIBERAL' Scrawled Across Body

[excelsior]

This isn't about Google maps, it's about a purpose made list created to find these individuals and posted specifically for those most opposed to their actions...I think that is wrong and opens a door to violence...The motivation for violence is already there, the list gives an outlet.

How can I identify a list made with purpose?

A is A.  You may have love in your heart and type A, while my heart is full of hate and I type A.  These items are equal.  I fail to see how my A provides an outlet greater or less then your A.  A is A.

[excelsior]

What exactly is your area of expertise?
Couldn't help but notice your post in this topic but you deleted it before I could respond.

You said I FAILED to post the last paragraph.
Guess your agenda caused your temporary blindness.   
Typical rightie...use talking points to create confusion, argue inane trivial points and attack the messenger when all else fails.

You did fail to paste the entire article in a single post.   Are you aware that you do not have to post the complete articles on here?   The linking technology has evolved and allows one to link it and others click directly to the targeted page.  I find it pretty robust.

I have been disappointed that it has taken me over 100 posts before you called me a rightie.  I was beginning to think that you did not like me.  I thought that I would obtain that feat in 2 maybe 3 posts.  I am dying to know which of my statements achieved my goal of being placed in "The Fry" rightie circle!   

[excelsior]

As for the topic....there are far more examples of right-wing violence than the left.

Only a pinhead would try to include obscure irrelevant data from outside the US...even if other examples can't be found.

Repetition does not equal proof that right-wing violence is greater than the left. 

Stalin and Hitler are obscure and irrelevant?  This assertion crumbles under its own weight.

Both the right and left are guilty of violence, but you insistence that left violence is nonexistence shall be discredited. Here are some examples:

Sirhan Sirhan
Lee Harvey Oswald
Charles Manson
The Weather Underground
The Black Liberation Army
Jim Jones and The People's Temple
Students for a Democratic Society
The Black Panthers
Symbionese Liberation Army
Earth Liberation Front
The Unabomber



Eco-terrorism is the number one form of terrorism based on this FBI study:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05