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[Pax]

My goodness Pharmacists and Pediatrician's offices will be working overtime to accommodate people like you, Grapes.  "Johnny has the sniffles lets run to the doctor/health-care-provider and get some drugs!"  I fully agree with all the scare- and rumor-mongering pouring out of the "news media" these days that keeping Johnny and Susie home for a few days or a week might not be a bad idea, and I would highly recommend it for the sniffles or any reason whatsoever.  [Not for "watching movies," or television in general, necessarily, as the Hollyweirdos are in cahoots with the globalist agenda (have any of you adults actually watched waht passes for "cartoons" lately??  They're anything but inocuous.)]  Read over your child's textbooks with them and you'll see much the same crap being crammed down their throats in skool.  And spend some time reading some alternative material to Big Pharmacy/the AMA and "vaccines."  Learn something useful.  Be a proper parent.

[RiveroftheGrapes]

People like me? Pax?  You don't know me.

When your child is sick you know it.  You must not be a parent or at least a parent that is in touch with your child.  When you child has a fever of 104.2 Pax you run then to the docs office and my spouse is a doc!  We don't keep strep tests lying around and strep can kill.  They have never had a chest X-Ray and have been on antibiotics only when there is an actual infection and not a virus.  So you see the doc, you get tested, get a diagnosis and thank goodness we have medications that help lessen symptoms so that my child doesn't develop pneumonia.  I am a proper parent.  Do not assume otherwise.  What would you do Pax when you get a pain in your right lower abdomen and are vomitting?  Are you too afraid of the docs to go and get your appendix removed?  Fear the government is poisoning your water and causing innocent useless organs to spoil?  Come on.  I just picture you living on a computer in your basement with the walls lined with aluminum foil to keep out the spying government "waves" from seeing what you are doing.  Freak.  Yes, I am insulting you because you do it to peoples intelligence all day long.  Textbooks? Really?  That is why you read along with your child and allow them to process someone else's views and form their own.  It must be a very lonely, scary place inside your head. 

Oh, my pediatrician's office is working overtime!  Those poor people running the phones, desks, tests, swabbing my kids throats, noses and giving advise to worried parents are working seven days a week and catching everything they see TO HELP US!  They make really no money off of vaccines.  They don't want these children to feel this way Pax!  They would have preferred our "Evil" government get out the vaccines to them sooner, (and not make any money) to keep their patients well.  I know.  My spouse is a doc and does it out of love for helping people, (oh, and with a chemistry and biochemistry and biology degree).  What do you have dolling out so much advise and experience with medicine and children?

[Pax]

If we wish to discuss experiences: prior to Operation Desert Target Practice Round I I was one of the minions in the military injecting thousands of my fellow troops with "vaccines" and now we've got all sorts of malevolent "syndromes" among those poor test-cases.  Tin-foil hat?  No, but sterile hypodermic needles did the deed, and too many were by my ignorant hands.

To compare appendicitis to the sniffles and fever is disingenious at best, insulting at worst.  Doctors can certainly do something about the former, nearly nothing about the latter except prescribe drugs that are as effective as the over-the-counter varietals.

"Help" is statistically impossible to assess when we have "placebo effects," "Munchhausen's by Proxy" (sp?), and sundry "Doctor Knows Best!" adherents.

Thanks to this "novel" virus a whole lot of cash is changing hands.  Maybe it'll do more "for the economy" than it'll do for people's "health."

[RiveroftheGrapes]

Pax,

Munchausen by proxy?  Dear God.  Are we wrapping our children in heating pads?  Oh, and I looked up the spelling online and it is correct.  I am sure you can find a website to dispute the spelling  based on some government conspiracy theory that it was a disease brought here by aliens. 

Military?  Not of the same breed.  You chose to be a sheep.  I am thankful and respect you for your decision but you signed off on thinking for yourself.  You can take some of the guilt away that you are obviously feeling.  There, there.

However, when you type with such authority you leave some insulted, (myself)  and some believing your propaganda.  Yes, I will use that word on this site in relationship to people like you and a few others that dominate the conversations that leave the rest of us a minority.  Thus your spewing negativity becomes the dominate voice on MEN. 

Everyone else, form your own opinions based on your own situation, (and immune system).

I hope you say "thank you" Pax every time you have had your life saved by medicine. 

[Frenchfry]

PG is one of our nuttier posters...not much spewed of any value...not even entertainment wise.

Thanks for your contribution ROTG.

Our Dr said our daughter contracted the flu.....maybe just the normal flu, don't really know....anyway he prescribed Tamiflu....$96 for 10 pills.

The Doc said not to get the H1N1 shots....that the government is trying to kill us all.....our Doc is a DO and believes in light therapy as well as these new fangled lasers that penetrate into the body to heal.....I'm not a believer.

I've never had a flu shot....I'm seriously thinking about changing that as soon as they're available.

[Pax]

Munchausen by proxy?

 

Yes.  And placebo effect.  And "Doctor knows best!" people.  I tend not to let others do my thinking for me these days, or to let them experiment on my person.

...based on some government conspiracy theory that it was a disease brought here by aliens.

Huh?  How in the hell did your pea-brain come to such a conclusion?  I've said nothing of "aliens" and only mentioned governments because they've got track records that are worth basing non-trustworthy conclusions on.  Same thing goes for BigPharm and the AMA and CDC and WHO and on and on...

Military?  Not of the same breed.  You chose to be a sheep.

Not of the "same breed?"  Being an EMT and Army Medic counts only as being a voluntary sheep and nothing more?
I beg to differ: when what one is taught by "the authorities" and textbooks and what "is" differ tremendously an "insider" might have much more to offer than others without it possibly could.

...you type with such authority you leave some insulted, (myself)  and some believing your propaganda.

Why/How is it possibly "propaganda" to say "educate yourself on the dangers" and  "just shut up and take your damn shots because everybody with something to gain by it says so" isn't?

Everyone else, form your own opinions based on your own situation, (and immune system).

"Know thyself" is some of the best advice anyone has ever written, and it predates all of us here by a few thousand years.

I hope you say "thank you" Pax every time you have had your life saved by medicine.

If "medicine" ever saves my life I'll indeed be thankful.

[RiveroftheGrapes]

Whoooooaaa.  French Fry said something nice to me.  I am bending over laughing.  Really.  Your welcome.  Must not remember some of the heated "conversations" we have had. 

If you look at the CDC website they have posted, (my ped told me that this was also the case but I still went home to read) that all flu right now is H1N1.  The seasonal flu has not "arrived" yet.  My husband is a DO and not of the granola variety that you mention and did all MD training above med school.  Really no difference.  My MD ped we use is more granola and fruity than any DO I have ever met but she investigates everything.  My doc husband is all science so my opinion is between them my kids get all bases covered.  I would have gotten the shot but since I have been home in our own personal infirmary and have not come down with it yet I am wondering if I will.  Some think if you were around for the strain in the 70's, (I was but very young) and had it that you may not get or may get a milder form.  Who knows.  Again, cannot wait until we are all saying we already had it and no more worries.  Hope that if it comes back as another strain if you have had the first the second is milder.  How long ago did your daughter have it and do you feel it was mild as our cases were?

[Frenchfry]

Whoooooaaa.  French Fry said something nice to me.  I am bending over laughing.  Really.  Your welcome.  Must not remember some of the heated "conversations" we have had. 

If you look at the CDC website they have posted, (my ped told me that this was also the case but I still went home to read) that all flu right now is H1N1.  The seasonal flu has not "arrived" yet.  My husband is a DO and not of the granola variety that you mention and did all MD training above med school.  Really no difference.  My MD ped we use is more granola and fruity than any DO I have ever met but she investigates everything.  My doc husband is all science so my opinion is between them my kids get all bases covered.  I would have gotten the shot but since I have been home in our own personal infirmary and have not come down with it yet I am wondering if I will.  Some think if you were around for the strain in the 70's, (I was but very young) and had it that you may not get or may get a milder form.  Who knows.  Again, cannot wait until we are all saying we already had it and no more worries.  Hope that if it comes back as another strain if you have had the first the second is milder.  How long ago did your daughter have it and do you feel it was mild as our cases were?

Oh I remembered our little war but this is not about that.

I really don't think our daughter had the flu....it was last week but she didn't have any body aches....but she took the medicine and recovered.

[RiveroftheGrapes]

If they swabbed for the seasonal flu and it tested positive than it is H1N1 according to CDC.  From what I have had explained to me by our doc...
I am going to break down our experience even further, (wish someone had done it for me before I was waiting in the peds parking lot for my phone call to come in the sick door).

-They are no longer testing for H1N1 as it is everywhere and the CDC says if it quacks like a duck...
-They are testing for seasonal flu since all docs offices have the test readily available and it takes ten minutes (they are still waiting for the seasonal flu to arrive and they are testing people in hospitals for the actual seasonal flu and they haven't had cases of actual seasonal flu yet)
-The seasonal flu tests that all docs keep around will test positive for H1N1 about 80% of the time.  My kids tested negative!  All their friends tested positive though!
-The docs are testing for strep to make sure they don't need antibiotics, (I know a boy in my child's class that has both!)
-Then they test for seasonal flu.  If it lights up it is confirmed H1N1, (see above why).  In my kids case one child was sore throat, cough, headache, body aches and high fever.  This child also becomes sicker every time we have a virus pass through our house and has been hospitalized twice for dehydration when very young, before you could convince him to keep drinking.  Other child sore throat, low fever.  Different but both had H1N1 based on the fact no seasonal flu has shown up here yet and EVERY KID IN THEIR CLASS LIGHTED UP FOR SEASONAL FLU.  Mine were the 20% that didn't.  But again, it quacked like a duck.
- Then you go get your prescription for Tamiflu.  Get it in right away to shorten and possibly lesson symptoms.  Motrin or Tylenol to control fever.  DRINK, DRINK, DRINK.  If you don't perk up when fever reduces then go back to doc as it could have turned into pneumonia.  Make sure kids are peeing as this is a sure sign they are getting enough water.

Hope this helps.

[Pax]

Hope this helps.

Helps?  For those automatons among us who watch too much friggin' TV (who Lord knows need all the help they can get), they'll be pacified, even if temporarily. Everybody else might need a bit more pertinent information besides "my spouse is a doc so get your friggin shot."

[RiveroftheGrapes]

I get it now!!!!!  Pax is like Archie Bunker!  The same way Archie Bunker said things to the contrary of what we knew to be the right thing so as to show the world how dumb it is to think that way.  Pax IS Archie Bunker.  He probably WORKS for the vaccine company and speaking so ignorant and paranoid he sends SCORES of people to the docs office to get the vaccine. 

I never said to go get the shot.  I told my experience so that the folks in Monroe know what's coming and to give them some insight.  I said over and over choose for yourself based on your own situation and beliefs.  We didn't even get a choice as it hit our family before the vaccine did.  I also said it was like the seasonal flu, (for our family) and said that despite having children the same age they both had very different experiences. 

To give you an idea how rampant it is here our bus did not come today because so many bus drivers were out and bus subs were out they were having to pick the kids up in waves.  When a bus dropped off a full load of kids at school they would go out after another group of kids!  Just drove mine in.  I have never heard of that happening.  I called the school yesterday and they said they will not shut down as it doesn't stop the kids from getting sick since we are all part of other communities.  I haven't heard of anyone in our community being hospitalized yet.  I sent both kids back to school today and teachers said they are doing well but look tired.

[Pax]

Let us know how those "flu" shots work out for your sorry selves, eh?

[Frenchfry]

Don't be duped by common myths about flu
If there's one thing that spreads faster than the flu, it's unfounded rumors. We asked Dr. Dean Blumberg, pediatric infectious disease specialist at the University of California, Davis Medical Center, to debunk a few common myths about the H1N1 vaccine.

Myth: The vaccine isn't safe. The vaccine is functionally identical to the regular seasonal flu vaccine. The chances of dying from it are much smaller than from H1N1 disease.

Myth: You can get sick from the vaccine. The flu virus is inactivated in the vaccine shot, so it can't make you sick. The virus is alive in the nasal spray, but it's so weak that the most you could get would be a mild runny nose or scratchy throat.

Myth: The vaccine has harmful chemicals. Multi-dose vials of the vaccine do contain the preservative thimerosal, which contains ethyl mercury. Single-dose vials and the nasal spray do not. Many studies have shown thimerosal poses no danger to children.

Myth: The H1N1 vaccine shouldn't be administered to pregnant women. Pregnant women should not receive the nasal spray, but they should be first in line to get the shot.

Get flu information online

The American Medical Association recently set up www.AMAfluhelp.org, a flu health-assessment site that allows patients to assess symptoms quickly and interact with their physician. The program walks patients through a series of questions to determine the severity of their flu symptoms based upon the latest Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines. It also offers vaccine information for pregnant women, and guidance on monitoring post-vaccine symptoms and determining when to return to school or work after the flu.
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/virus/67079417.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:DiiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

[marilyn.monroe]

First of all, there have been no studies done on shedding from the live virus FluMist vaccine, as MedImmune stated in it's report to the FDA, which also states that the virus can be cultured from the nasal secretions from those vaccinated with it.
Secondly, I believe AMA has issued a statement along with just about every other medical body in the USA, that thimerosal should be removed from children's vaccinations.
I would also like to ask why pregnant woman should not take the nasal vaccine?

I actually came to this topic to post that we had a vaccine clinic over the weekend and there was not enough demand to deplete the assigned vaccinations. Might be because the virus has already come through.
The clinic was for high risk and kids.

[Frenchfry]

I actually came to this topic to post that we had a vaccine clinic over the weekend and there was not enough demand to deplete the assigned vaccinations. Might be because the virus has already come through.
The clinic was for high risk and kids.

I thought for a moment that people were allowing the most in need to receive their shots first but then I saw this story

Families queue up in a long line that extended around Bedford High School for the first countywide H1N1 vaccination clinic Monday. The gymnasium was transformed into a large clinic, which opened after the end of the school day and ran through 7 p.m. The first vaccinations were offered primarily for pregnant women, children 2 and younger, caregivers and those with special health concerns.
More than 1,000 area people received vaccinations Monday for the H1N1 virus.

People lined the halls, sidewalks and parking lots at Bedford High School, hoping to receive the vaccine.

The crowd was significantly larger than Monroe County Health Department officials expected for the first clinic in the county.

"We did approximately 1,400 vaccinations," said Kim Comerzan, personal health director for the health department. "That’s twice the number we expected."

Despite the turnout, Mrs. Comerzan said the clinic ran smoothly.

"It went very well," she said.

About 15 personnel were on hand to assist with giving the shot.

Though the clinic was scheduled to take patients until 7, shots were distributed until almost 9 p.m. People who showed up after about 6 p.m. were told they would not be vaccinated because of the long wait.

Vaccinations were distributed to those among target groups. The Centers for Disease Control recommends the vaccinations for pregnant women, people who live with or care for children younger than 6 months, people between 6 months and 24 years old and people 25 to 64 who are at a higher risk for influenza complications due to chronic health disorders or compromised immune systems.

Dr. Ted Magrum, superintendent for Bedford Public Schools, said he was at the high school several times during the clinic. "(The line) was almost out to the road," he said.

Bedford Public Schools has maintained traditional attendance numbers so far this year.

"At the beginning of last week, we had 9.5 percent total absences and by Friday, we had 4.8 percent," Dr. Magrum said. "That’s normal for flu season."

Several additional clinics have been scheduled throughout the county.

Mrs. Comerzan said that though there were enough vaccines to inoculate all 1,400 people at yesterday’s clinic, she is concerned about the youngest age group.

"We have only so many infant doses," she said.

"We lucked out last night because we had two infant doses left for the last two infants."

Mrs. Comerzan said she expects to have enough of the vaccine for those older than 6 months to carry the health department through the scheduled clinics, but that depends on demand and the allocation of the vaccines from the state.
http://www.monroenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091103/NEWS01/711039995/-1/NEWS