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[John Kopke]

On Oct. 10th Dems passed a bill that will set up the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund. Dems
say it restores our nations "promise" of a decent home for every American family. (I guess I must be
a little rusty on the constitution, because I missed this "promise")

Barney Frank (D) says it is a way to get the federal government back in the affordable housing business. It would allocate $1 billion per year to construct or repair 1.5 million low income housing units in the next ten years. (10 year plan. Has a nice Soviet sounding ring to it doesn't it?)

After the bill passed Maxine Waters (D) said it is was very exciting day for poor people to see
their government responding to one of the most critical needs in our society. (Great, but haven't
they overlooked affordable cars? Aren't those critical too?)

To date there are 34 HUD programs that already promote affordable housing for low income
Americans. Apparently they aren't doing the job. Fortunately, for us we have Democrat 
congress people with the foresight to remedy the problem. A 35th program. Priceless.

President Bush will veto the bill. Bush has made many mistakes, but this won't be one of them.

[lordfly]

Your arguments might need a bit of updating.

We're no longer fighting the Commies. It's the Terrorists, now.

So if you just frame your rhetoric to equate liberals with terrorists, I think you'll have a fine career in politics.

[John Kopke]

Your arguments might need a bit of updating.

We're no longer fighting the Commies. It's the Terrorists, now.

So if you just frame your rhetoric to equate liberals with terrorists, I think you'll have a fine career in politics.

The King of the snide has weighed in. Always entertaining to hear from you. Unfortunately, your post
demonstrates you missed the word "analogy" when they were teaching vocabulary.  Here is a tip.
If you feel the urge to make a response try to make sense. 

[belladonna]

I do not think JK is trying to frame his rhetoric to equate liberals with terrorist. I think his message is maybe some of us are tired of another entitlement program.  Lordfly, anything Kopke says you are ready to attack. As  middle aged Americans, my husband and I have worked our butts off with not one handout from the government.  Every person in this country is capable of hardwork, education, sort of like what my grandparents did during the depression when there were no free handouts other than a soup line.  I am sick and tired of the entitlement mentality that is running rampant in our society. Take a good hard look at Greenwood.  Take a look at some of the wonderful low housing units downriver and Detroit.  The government builds and the residents destory.  It is a never ending cycle and I am sick of it.  

[Lady Arbella]

I do not think JK is trying to frame his rhetoric to equate liberals with terrorist. I think his message is maybe some of us are tired of another entitlement program.  Lordfly, anything Kopke says you are ready to attack. As a middle aged Americans, my husband and I have worked our butts off with not one handout from the government.  Every person in this country is capable of hardwork, education, sort of like what my grandparents did during the depression when there were no free handouts other than a soup line.  I am sick and tired of the entitlement mentality that is running rampant in our society. Take a good hard look at Greenwood.  Take a look at some of the wonderful low housing units downriver and Detroit.  The government builds and the residents destory.  It is a never ending cycle and I am sick of it.  

Well Said Bella!!

[BigRedDog]

Well Said Bella!!

Wow Lady A....   I wasn't paying very close attention...   I thought you were talkin' to yourself...

Now I've got it...

[MonroeMom]

Wow Lady A....   I wasn't paying very close attention...   I thought you were talkin' to yourself...

Now I've got it...

Yep, I did a triple take there, too!!

We welcome ALL 'bellas!! (I have a cat named IsaBella!!)

[sue lee]

Let's not forget the GOP highway bill of 2005
The $286 billion legislation was stuffed with 6,000 pet projects for lawmakers' districts, including what critics denounce as a $223 million "Bridge to Nowhere" that would replace a 7-minute ferry ride in a sparsely populated area of Alaska. Usually members of Congress cannot wait to rush home and brag about such bounty -- a staggering number of parking lots, bus depots, bike paths and new interchanges for just about every congressional district in the country that added $24 billion to the overall cost of maintaining the nation's highways and bridges in the coming years.

A $223 million bridge is to replace a 7-minute ferry ride between Ketchikan, Alaska, left, and Gravina Island. The island, right, has a population of 50. 

But with spiraling war and hurricane recovery costs, the pork-laden bill has become a political albatross for Republicans, who have been promising since President Bush took office to get rid of wasteful spending. I missed that in the constitution

[marilyn.monroe]

On Oct. 10th Dems passed a bill that will set up the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund. Dems
say it restores our nations "promise" of a decent home for every American family. (I guess I must be
a little rusty on the constitution, because I missed this "promise")

Barney Frank (D) says it is a way to get the federal government back in the affordable housing business. It would allocate $1 billion per year to construct or repair 1.5 million low income housing units in the next ten years. (10 year plan. Has a nice Soviet sounding ring to it doesn't it?)

After the bill passed Maxine Waters (D) said it is was very exciting day for poor people to see
their government responding to one of the most critical needs in our society. (Great, but haven't
they overlooked affordable cars? Aren't those critical too?)

To date there are 34 HUD programs that already promote affordable housing for low income
Americans. Apparently they aren't doing the job. Fortunately, for us we have Democrat 
congress people with the foresight to remedy the problem. A 35th program. Priceless.

President Bush will veto the bill. Bush has made many mistakes, but this won't be one of them.

I am in support of a program that would help people who need assistance with owning a home.
Along the lines of habit for humanity, where people work to help themselves. I don't know about it being a promise, but it sure is an American dream. Affordable cars are key. People need to be able to transport themselves to work, in order to pay for a home. Public transportation is not always available.
At this point we are looking for ways to keep people from losing their homes. Senator Stabenow has drafted a bill to help mortgage holders, and President Bush supports it.
Is it just me, or does Congress seem to be farting around while there's critical legislation to be passed.
President Bush has stated he will use his veto to be a part of the process. Good.
Let them compromise & get the job done for the American people.

Your arguments might need a bit of updating.

We're no longer fighting the Commies. It's the Terrorists, now.

So if you just frame your rhetoric to equate liberals with terrorists, I think you'll have a fine career in politics.

We are still fighting the commies. We have a trade war with Communist China,
and Putin of Russia is a communist.

I do not think JK is trying to frame his rhetoric to equate liberals with terrorist. I think his message is maybe some of us are tired of another entitlement program.  Lordfly, anything Kopke says you are ready to attack. As  middle aged Americans, my husband and I have worked our butts off with not one handout from the government.  Every person in this country is capable of hardwork, education, sort of like what my grandparents did during the depression when there were no free handouts other than a soup line.  I am sick and tired of the entitlement mentality that is running rampant in our society. Take a good hard look at Greenwood.  Take a look at some of the wonderful low housing units downriver and Detroit.  The government builds and the residents destory.  It is a never ending cycle and I am sick of it.  

The government needs more oversight of how the money is spent then. It's not the tenants fault...blame the slumlords & the government for allowing them to fall into disrepair.
People work for the assistance they receive and pay it back these days. I don't know where people get off thinking welfare is a free handout.

Let's not forget the GOP highway bill of 2005
The $286 billion legislation was stuffed with 6,000 pet projects for lawmakers' districts, including what critics denounce as a $223 million "Bridge to Nowhere" that would replace a 7-minute ferry ride in a sparsely populated area of Alaska. Usually members of Congress cannot wait to rush home and brag about such bounty -- a staggering number of parking lots, bus depots, bike paths and new interchanges for just about every congressional district in the country that added $24 billion to the overall cost of maintaining the nation's highways and bridges in the coming years.

A $223 million bridge is to replace a 7-minute ferry ride between Ketchikan, Alaska, left, and Gravina Island. The island, right, has a population of 50. 

But with spiraling war and hurricane recovery costs, the pork-laden bill has become a political albatross for Republicans, who have been promising since President Bush took office to get rid of wasteful spending. I missed that in the constitution

There's probably oil on the island.
It's about darn time the government fixed the bridges.

[marilyn.monroe]

Your arguments might need a bit of updating.

We're no longer fighting the Commies. It's the Terrorists, now.

So if you just frame your rhetoric to equate liberals with terrorists, I think you'll have a fine career in politics.

More communist in India...http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1674429,00.html

There is also Cuba.

[PrincessAmy]

Take a look at some of the wonderful low housing units downriver and Detroit.  The government builds and the residents destory.

As they say, you can take the person out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the person....

[belladonna]

I fully understand the concept of slum lords, etc. I fully understand GOP misspending and the Bridge to Nowhere.  Let me put my former response in simple words:  My husband and I worked very hard to save and buy our home.  Therefore, we take very good care of our home.  We do not punch walls, bust windows, break doors, etc. because we will have to repair and rebuild with our own cash.  I was born and raised in Detroit.  Enough said.  My grandmother lived in a housing project after my grandfather died.  I saw the mindless destruction of the residents who did not care because someone was going to repair the damages with no cost to them. Another example:  My son in law worked at a steel plant for 9 yrs.  He lost his job, but in order to keep his family insured, accepted another job making $4 less.  He and my daughter fell behind on several bills.  There house was near foreclosure.  Upon asking for help from their mortgage co and HUD, they were told to take a hike.  My daughter and sil work hard and were elated when able to purchase their first home.  What about them?  I do not see any government agency rushing to help them out of their situation.  Who did? My family. 

One more thing and I am totally done with this thread.  Many people are in need of welfare for various reasons.  Wasn't this topic debated on another thread?  But, it is not meant as a generational lifestyle. 

[Chips]

$1 billion per year to construct or repair 1.5 million low income housing units.
Why do they need that much repair?
Could it be that the ungrateful poor people trashed them?  

[lordfly]

$1 billion per year to construct or repair 1.5 million low income housing units.
Why do they need that much repair?
Could it be that the ungrateful poor people trashed them?  

It is also quite possible that because it's low-income government housing, they were built by the lowest bidder. Hence, slipshod construction. Hence, falling apart easily.

Poor people are human too.

[bethany6788]

It is also quite possible that because it's low-income government housing, they were built by the lowest bidder. Hence, slipshod construction. Hence, falling apart easily.

Poor people are human too.

True, but how many of those poor people are trashing their houses? I'm sure it's not right to make a generalization either way.