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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2007, 11:54:13 AM »

Dundee is bustling because they have Monroe water. Cabela's would never have relocated there if all Dundee could offer them was well water! They would have bypassed Dundee for a location that offered them the luxury of locating to a rural setting that offered city amenities.. water being one of them.

Monroe has enabled Dundee to flourish while we flounder. By giving City Water to the outlying areas it enables City residents to establish residency in a township that now offers the amenity of city water. You don't see a mass exodus to the country if there are no amenities do you? Why pay the high taxes in the city when you can have city water and have lower tax rates to boot out in the townships?

Your argument might make a bit of sense if it weren't for the fact that most of the people that live in Dundee commute either to Toledo or Ann Arbor.  These people would not live in the City of Monroe given that US-23 serves their needs just fine.  Remember the expanded housing plans for the Milan area.  Same concept.

Also; you overlook the tax base and the darw that Cabelas has.  It is the number one tourist destination in Michigan.


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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2007, 12:58:09 PM »

It very well may be the #1 tourist attraction, but it wouldn't be without city water!

Also, I'd like to add - Mark Worrell's thinking that we need to cut $4 million is nothing more than an attempt to scare people. Then by spouting off all of those numbers- the people really think he knows his stuff. In reading Deb Saul's column today- she is right. You cannot cut yourself into profitability and that is exactly what Mark Worrell is proposing.  He told the MEN that $3 Million needs to be cut but out on the campaign trail he is touting $4 million and the people better wake up before election day. He may sound like the intelligent savior of Monroe- but did anybody ever think what they're going to sacrifice to have him as Mayor? The town will pay and pay big. I shudder to think that we will be cut to the bare bones with hardly any services.

His Monroe going from a city to a Village concept is frightening. He may very well be a nice guy but the nice guy is way off base here. Talk about a mass exodus out of Monroe!
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2007, 05:53:33 AM »

When I lived in Dundee, I came to Monroe all the time for shopping and business.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2007, 09:37:53 AM »

City Resident, just because Worrell didn't say the City to the Village thing to you, doesn't mean he didn't say it!  He apparently said it to people who attended the retired teacher's luncheon.

He apparently said it to enough people to cause some concern as those people talked to people out in the town and expressed that concern.

AGAIN, you are not the begin all end all here. Your friend has proposed a deal for Monroe that is scary to say the least. Mark Worrell apparently has a hidden agenda here and it's not a good one. He has always been inconsistent and has been unable to make one decision and stick with it. He is a flip-flopper and not someone I want to see in the Mayor chair.  I don't support him or his plan to gut the city and if you don't like it- too bad!  You see, you are not the lone taxpayer in this town with first amendment rights.  I don't support Mark Worrell - so now go nuts!

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2007, 10:24:04 AM »

City Resident, you won't go nuts?  You can't even take some else's opinion as just that without having to accuse them of being involved as a candidate trying to further their campaign.

You need to get into reality here. There are people out there who support John Iacoangeli! There are people out there who's opinions differ from yours, like it or not! AND there are people out there who don't like Mark Worrell!

I personally had a conversation with a person who was sitting at a table at this luncheon and Worrell came over and started talking about his City to a Village proposal with the entire table. His conversation upset some people and this is not hearsay. Why is it when something that appears unfavorable to your favored candidates- that it is always the opposition that starts it in your mind?

I am not a candidate in this election or any other- but I am sick of the constant bashing put forth by you to people who disagree with you and it's my opinion that you're one individual that has some serious issues. One being the penchant for libel that you continually post here.

You demand proof from others, yet offer none of your own but yet will post the most heinous comments about Iacoangeli, Floriday and Compora that I have ever seen. You don't seem to care who you injure with your libelous rhetoric, in fact, you seem to enjoy embellishing your rants with total lies to do just that.

One day, it might just all come home to dwell. One can only hope.
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2007, 04:23:48 PM »

Yeah, right, David Smith/ City Resident/ City Residenttoo  is going to "educate" the voters of Monroe. He's going to step up to the plate and take on the yoke of Great "Educator" so the voters know the "truth"! Only the rhetoric from David Smith is a little short on the "truth" end of the stick and real big on distorted facts and untruths.

Let's see- he accuses Iacoangeli, Floriday and Compora of campaigning for each other, but when Iacoangeli came to my door, he didn't pass out literature for Floriday or Compora and neither was mentioned. Mr. Floriday came to my door and didn't give me any lit. on Compora or Iacoangeli and didn't mention the other two and Compora hasn't been here. Isn't the purpose of campaigning for each other to do just exactly that? Wouldn't you think that they would be passing out each others literature or grouping them together in the mail at least?  Iacoangeli's website has only his picture and talks about HIM   So - where's the coalition here? OHHHHH, I get it! ANOTHER untruth from David Smith in his attempt to "educate" the voters with the "facts".

He accuses THEM of having a coalition, but during the last election the 3C Coalition were all joined at the hip with website, literature, etc. with all their pictures on it together, haven't seen that from these 3 at all. Check out www.wecareaboutmonroe.com

But wait!!  Talk about coalitions!  What did I get through the mail? An envelope with literature for Burkett, Conner and Paisley all enclosed inside! And what's more- the envelope's return address was 530 Lavender St.- the home of Mary Conner. Must be the campaign headquarters of their coalition of losers.  How about the fact that Burkett, Conner and Paisley signs are all crammed together all around town, you never see one without the other - not so with Iacoangeli, Floriday and Compora. I have seen plenty of their signs individually with out the others, so try again with the lies!

Maybe "educating" the voters doesn't include mentioning how some of the absentee ballots from the IHM at the last election were all filled out with the same bluish-purple ink.  BTW isn't one of the candidates that ran in the last election on the 3C Coalition platform and who is also running again in this election - an associate at the IHM?  Guess I'm curious as to just who fills out those ballots for the sisters that are infirm ?   Now THAT is an issue that is all over town- and has been for the last 2 years-  so I can't IMAGINE  why Mr. Smith wouldn't want the voters to be "educated" with the "facts" on THAT issue!

Obviously, City Resident choses to practice "selective "educating" of the voters", i.e.- he only wants you to hear HIS twisted rendition of the "facts" which of course are all lies.

So let's all wish City Resident a good day, shall we? It must've been a real "mind- blowing" day for the poor guy having to open the MEN and read that Iacoangeli got their endorsement for Mayor!!

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2007, 06:34:22 PM »

So - what's your excuse for the Burkett, Conner, Paisley coalitiion that not only features signs grouped together but also "togetherness" thru the mail?

Wow! Davey!  Somebody sure pushed YOUR buttons today! 

Hey! I see where your boy Worrell not only wants to close the east side firestation and lay off 9 firefighters but he ALSO wants to do away with the ambulance service!  Then he wants the City to become a village so then the people will have to wait until an outcounty fire rig can help them and in addition to that, we'll have to wait until the Sheriff Deputies drive in from where ever they're at to help in case you need a cop! Why? Because once we become a Village- we will CEASE to have our own Fire and Police Dept.!  BRILLIANT on the part of your candidate Davey BRILLIANT!  People better think twice before voting for Worrell.  He'll gut the city and we'll have nothing left!

Not a smart choice closing down the ambulance service from someone ( Worrell himself) who tells everyone that he's now got heart issues. What happens when the ambulance service is closed - we have to wait for the county-serviced rig and the firefighters to get there first and with their paramedic training have to stand around and watch and wait for the county rig to get there. Not a nice scene watching a patient die and not being able to touch them - because some idiot shut down the ambulance service!  Good going Worrell!!  Notice that the firestation on W. Elm that services Worrell's area hasn't been mentioned.  So the poor people on the East side of town have already got it stuck to them by Cappuccilli and his cronies with the scrapyard deal, now they stand to get an additional kick in the teeth by Worrell!

 Oh BTW - anybody catch Mark Worrell's website that was just put up?  Talk about riding Iacoangeli's coattails in this election - Iacoangeli's  website has been up and running for this election for over a month and a half now and has been advertised in the MEN -  Worrell copied Iacoangeli's website almost verbatim!  Now THERE'S a proven leader!

But, Hey Davey - try to buck up and have a good day, huh? YOUR CANDIDATE IS AN IDIOT!



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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2007, 07:26:19 PM »

Boys, I'll admit, this has been entertaining !   :D
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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2007, 11:54:03 PM »

Holy sweet Aunt Jemima on a stick.

I'm kind of sad I didn't throw my hat into this mayor race.

If elected mayor, I pledge to commission a fleet of trebuchets for the City Police.
Also, Hawaiian shirts would be required dress code for city hall.
Finally, I will enact the "free coffee for the mayor" ordinance that you've all been clamoring for.

Vote The Fly in 2009!
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2007, 06:08:06 AM »

City Resident, just because Worrell didn't say the City to the Village thing to you, doesn't mean he didn't say it!  He apparently said it to people who attended the retired teacher's luncheon.

He apparently said it to enough people to cause some concern as those people talked to people out in the town and expressed that concern.

AGAIN, you are not the begin all end all here. Your friend has proposed a deal for Monroe that is scary to say the least. Mark Worrell apparently has a hidden agenda here and it's not a good one. He has always been inconsistent and has been unable to make one decision and stick with it. He is a flip-flopper and not someone I want to see in the Mayor chair.  I don't support him or his plan to gut the city and if you don't like it- too bad!  You see, you are not the lone taxpayer in this town with first amendment rights.  I don't support Mark Worrell - so now go nuts!


if you ever do get around to supporting someone instead of criticizing others...let me know  :P
if you have to go around tearing down other candidates instead of praising yours, I think you may be supporting the wrong person.
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2007, 06:31:03 AM »

I don't live in Monroe, but, I've seen Mr. Worrell around the mailbox and he is always nice to talk to and seems to listen to what I have to say.  He is the only candidate that is affiliated with a church or willing to announce it in the paper.  What's that got to do with anything??  Everything, in my humble opinion.  He'd have my vote. 
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2007, 09:14:06 AM »

I don't live in Monroe, but, I've seen Mr. Worrell around the mailbox and he is always nice to talk to and seems to listen to what I have to say.  He is the only candidate that is affiliated with a church or willing to announce it in the paper.  What's that got to do with anything??  Everything, in my humble opinion.  He'd have my vote. 

Just wondering, would you vote for someone who officially wasn't a part of any church, and thus couldn't affiliate themselves with such an institution?
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2007, 09:20:33 AM »

Just wondering, would you vote for someone who officially wasn't a part of any church, and thus couldn't affiliate themselves with such an institution?

I'd have to know a heck of a lot more about them then if they went to church or not.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2007, 02:28:17 PM »

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His Monroe going from a city to a Village concept is frightening. He may very well be a nice guy but the nice guy is way off base here. Talk about a mass exodus out of Monroe!

I am going to make a point to ask him, just like I have made it a point to ask Councilman Burkett about the whole firing of Ben Tellerico that you told us about.  If it is true, than it is very disturbing that he would say this.  Thanks for sharing - too bad we did not know prior to the interview's with the MEN as they could have asked about it. 

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Yeah, right, David Smith/ City Resident/ City Residenttoo  is going to "educate" the voters of Monroe. He's going to step up to the plate and take on the yoke of Great "Educator" so the voters know the "truth"! Only the rhetoric from David Smith is a little short on the "truth" end of the stick and real big on distorted facts and untruths.

Man, again, I am not David Smith or City Resident - your suppositions are based on your own ignorant thoughts that anyone who disagrees with you must be the great evil one; David Smith.  Problem is, David, nor I or even City Resident are evil we just disagree.  (Disclaimer:  I don't actually know David Smith or City Resident so I can't REALLY say they are not evil.  OK - I do know me and I am sure that I am not evil.  Yep, not evil, just called a third party and confirmed it). 

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He accuses THEM of having a coalition, but during the last election the 3C Coalition were all joined at the hip with website, literature, etc. with all their pictures on it together, haven't seen that from these 3 at all. Check out www.wecareaboutmonroe.com


Please re-examine my post in the Iaconageli thread - I thought this was wrong too and still think that it is.  It is funny that Councilman Paisley is referencing it in his postcards and that he even used a copy of his photo from the City website for this postcard (OK, I don't know if it is the same photo - this comment is to pay homage to Councilwoman Compora's rant regarding John Martin's photo after the last election). 

I am not happy about the idea of any "coalition" from either side.  This is what's wrong with Monroe - we have a short list of people on committees and groups and so on.  I don't want either side.  I have said it before and I will say it again; I don't like the fact that the former Mayor is aligned so close with Mr. Floraday, Ms. Compora and Ms. Guyor (or maybe they are aligned with him).  This bothers me - sorry.  Maybe it is just me (I am old) but to me Mr. Iaconageli is a bit too much like Mr. Floraday's "Rabbi" - appointed him to the DDA, Mr. Floraday's wife sits on the library advisory committee that got Mayor Iaconageli to purchase the United Furniture Building, the secretary for the Floraday campain is a CPC appointee of Mayor Iaconageli.  Mayor Iacoangeli is too close with Ms. Compora - not once did she vote opposite of him during his tenure, not once!  Hell, even a spouse disagrees sometimes don't they? 

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So - what's your excuse for the Burkett, Conner, Paisley coalitiion that not only features signs grouped together but also "togetherness" thru the mail?

I have no love for the CCC ideal - I though it was stupid then and stupid now. I will admit that I like Councilman Burkett and have found Mrs. Conner refreshing.  I am saddened that they have again engaged in this type of behavior.  In terms of Councilman Paisley I will save my words and simply say that my feelings would echo a former post from the MEN:

http://www.monroenews.com:80/apps/pbcs.dll/news_message?Category=HAUPRICHTARTSCOL&ThemeID=877&GroupID=234798&InReplyTo=59869

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I see where your boy Worrell not only wants to close the east side fire station and lay off 9 firefighters but he ALSO wants to do away with the ambulance service!


It said in the newspaper that he wanted to "follow the study" and this would mean a reduction in firefighters per shift and in total - I am not sure that I have a problem with this.  We paid for an assessment by a competent, reliable source and yet months after we receive it we are doing nothing.  BTW, the study actually says, "eliminate three positions (two that are currently vacant) and reduce minimum staffing levels to nine on duty fire fighters" (currently there are ten). 

Please don't try and scare people on the eastside to drum up support.  Please, cite where Mr. Worrell said this. The supposition is to eventually close close the North Custer station if (notice I said if) the feasibility study the City is having done supports building an underpass on Elm Ave. to keep traffic from being tied up at the Toll St. railroad crossing.  There is no way to do this with the east boundary of Monroe. 

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So the poor people on the East side of town have already got it stuck to them by Cappuccilli and his cronies with the scrapyard deal, now they stand to get an additional kick in the teeth by Worrell!

Sadly, your facts are not in order.  Mayor Icoanageli can "spin" this however he likes but here is the truth: 

Monroe Transfer bought the property on 3rd St. in 2004. The property was zoned heavy industrial.

The Mayor at the time, Iacoangeli, didn't want them to open in that location, so he met with them and suggested the Port of Monroe property. He and the Port, including then Port employee Richardville, offered to improve the Borchert property, to include infrastructure improvements, rail access, etc. Monroe Transfer spent a great deal of money on engineering plans, only to later be told that the City did not have the money to make the necessary improvements to the property, all the while attempting to rezone the 3rd St. property to light industrial. It seems that the buildings were rezoned to light industrial, but not the entire property. Monroe Transfer could have the Port property, but they would have to invest the 3-4million dollars to get the property to their standards. So they walked away and returned to the 3rd St. property. Basically, the City, under then Mayor Iacoangeli, reneged on the trade, and still wished to rezone the 3rd St. property, illegally, since Monroe Transfer had bought the property all along with the intent to reopen the site as had been historically used for. Well, it turns out that there was a "mistake" and the property was not actually rezoned. Monroe Transfer went before the CPC once again, and the CPC voted unanimously to leave the entire parcel as heavy industrial. The City Council then voted to leave the parcel heavy industrial by a 3-4 vote, after much contention. 5 votes were needed to change the property to light industrial, so the property remained unchanged as heavy industrial.

Then the planning department along with the building department said that the use of the property was a special land use instead of the permitted use of Recycling Center as requested. Monroe Transfer then went before the Zoning Board of Appeals, and even though the city attorney stated that the use was a scrap yard, the zoning board voted that the use was a Resource Recovery Center, by a 7-2 vote, and thus required special land use. Since then, Monroe Transfer has filed a lawsuit against the City of Monroe. I have not heard any more than that, and don't know where in the legal system they are at, but they should just be allowed to open up as a recycling center, providing much needed jobs, and save the taxpayers the cost of a lawsuit.

After that lengthy explanation of what I understand the facts to be, it appears that the entire "mess" was indeed started by the attempted "illegal" rezoning of the land by Iacoangeli's administration, and the failure to live up to a land trade by the Iacoangeli administration. What followed by the planning department's foul up was not directly under his control, but I would think that a "professional" planner would know the proper times to rezone property, and the times when it could get you into litigation which the City will probably lose. If these facts are incorrect, please attempt to enlighten me with your facts.
  (note; this is a copy and paste from a poster on another blog (but, you know that Kazoo - you have posted there). 

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Not a smart choice closing down the ambulance service

Why not?  No other municipality in Monroe County has there own "City" ran ambulance service.  I think we need to at least ask the question; "is it reasonable to pay money for a service that could be provided by the private sector?" Can we continue to afford this?  If this is such a wonderful system why then have most Cities gotten out of this business? 

Ya know, ever since the great economy in Michigan has went down we have all suffered - I, for one, have needed to put non-premium fuel in my mam mouth SUV!  Sorry, things change.  (disclaimer; I don't have an SUV.  I drive a golf cart and am the most green person you will ever know).

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Oh BTW - anybody catch Mark Worrell's website that was just put up?  Talk about riding Iacoangeli's coattails in this election - Iacoangeli's  website has been up and running for this election for over a month and a half now and has been advertised in the MEN -  Worrell copied Iacoangeli's website almost verbatim!  Now THERE'S a proven leader!

No arrogance in you is there?  Copied - dude, like John Iacoangeli is the first person ever to think of a web site!  Yeah, thinks to John and Al Gore we have the Internet with websites! 

OK - for those of us that are honest here is the truth.  John had the same web address during the last election.  Mr. Worrell does have a website that (from what it says) his daughter built.  But, then again, so to do other candidates - why just pick out Mr. Worrell? 

John Iacoangeli for Mayor:  http://mayorformonroe.com

Mark Worrell for Mayor:  http://worrellformayor.com

Cheryl McIntyre for Mayor:  http://mcintyreformayor.com/

Jeremy Molinda for Council:  http://molendaforcitycouncil.com

Tonya Sweat for Council:  http://freewebs.com/sweat4council

Frankly, I found all of there sites informative and interesting (disclaimer, I found Iacoangeli's site "voice notes" annoying - poor recording you can hear him breath - OK, it's just my awesome system).

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A candidate touting their religious affiliation would not receive my vote.

Did he "tout" it or simply list his membership in the church?  If it was simply stating he was a member is that acceptable? 



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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2007, 03:16:38 PM »

Cityresidenttoo:  Wow!!  I did not realize there were any other cities the size of Monroe in Monroe County.  Also, believe it or not, I was living in the city before the fire department started their own ambulance service.  While I was waiting for the so called private sector ambulance, I almost died because we had to wait 20 while a free ambulance was looked for.  Since then, I have used this service several times, and the response is usually less the 3 or 4 min.  Hopefully, you will never have to wait for this life saving fire department if His Honorable Worrell closed down the ambulances and gets rid of some firemen, and I hope he never needs it either.  THANK YOU FIRMEN!!!!!!
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