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aquaman

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Re: Supreme Court rolls back campaign spending limits
« Reply #90 on: January 24, 2010, 09:58:38 PM »

Okay.  I am allowed to receive a gift with a value of no more than $15 dollars from someone my company does business with.  So lavish $15 dollar checks on these pols who probably make much more than many of their constituents, have better benefits, and will probably get a better retirement.  You will never be able to convince people that these gifts don't come with strings.  Time for me to go to bed.  'Night.
But aren't you allowed to accept gifts from other individuals? I bet if the CEO of a big time company offered you 35 million dollars it would be ok because an individual, and not a corporation, gave it to you. Plus if you got enough money as a gift it could sway your working status and you could retire with the gift you received
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« Reply #91 on: January 24, 2010, 11:43:50 PM »

So any gifts are campaign contributions? That seems a little unfair to ban congressmen from receiving gifts.
If all campaign contributions were considered as gifts under the Gift Tax, how much money do you think that would bring in every year?
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« Reply #92 on: January 24, 2010, 11:47:54 PM »

If all campaign contributions were considered as gifts under the Gift Tax, how much money do you think that would bring in every year?
50% of all campaign contributions goes towards paying off the National Debt.

National Debt gets paid off by 2015.

They got us into this, make them get us out.
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Re: Supreme Court rolls back campaign spending limits
« Reply #93 on: January 25, 2010, 12:15:24 AM »

50% of all campaign contributions goes towards paying off the National Debt.

National Debt gets paid off by 2015.

They got us into this, make them get us out.
What makes you think that?

So if campaign contributions went under the gift tax would this make you happy?
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« Reply #94 on: January 25, 2010, 02:11:11 AM »

What makes you think that?

So if campaign contributions went under the gift tax would this make you happy?

I had no idea Aquaman's superpower in the comic books was being intensively obtuse.
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« Reply #95 on: January 25, 2010, 04:30:42 AM »

I think it is important to "follow the money" on this one.  Put all the pieces together so to speak.  The master behind this is the founder of a group called Citizens United a right wing 501(c)4 "non profit" (well after the board gets millions and the rest gets dumped into Republican coffers) named Floyd Brown.  Brown is as right wing as they come and makes his living off of the collection and use of "soft money" to push Republican agenda, and candidates.

Anyone who walks through this trail can see that this lawsuit was pushed and pushed ever since McCain Feingold was enacted.  I guess luckily for them the Court is still ruled by Republicans.

I often hear Republican pundits argue that the Democrats pack courts and legislate from the bench because their ideas do not pass the public smell test, if so all I can say is this:   POT MEET KETTLE!

The First Amendment is clear you have the right to speak freely, and redress your government.  We hold that ALL  (WO)MEN are created equal!

We had it right once before:

In Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1 (1976), the Supreme Court affirmed the constitutionality of some parts, while declaring other parts unconstitutional, of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 and related laws. These law restricted the monetary contributions that may be made to political campaigns and expenditure by candidates. The Court concluded that limits on campaign contributions "serve[d] the basic governmental interest in safeguarding the integrity of the electoral process without directly impinging upon the rights of individual citizens and candidates to engage in political debate and discussion." At the same time, the Court overturned the expenditure limits, which it found imposed "substantial restraints on the quantity of political speech."

How is this not good enough?  How is this not the best shot at equality available as it pertains to money = speech?  Why is it that the Republicans have no trouble with the limiting of individual contributions, but take a blind eye to the money sneaking out the back door and into the system by a select few that can buy influence through the use of a corporation? 

Now please I can already hear the whining masses on the right about to say "but the unions................", SAVE IT!  The unions should not be able to do it either.  Until we can get back to a set dollar value of HARD MONEY from INDIVIDUAL donors the process will continue to be corrupted and we will remain in the strangle hold of the two party system, slowly being choked to death by the corporations who currently own our politics. 

It seems to me the Republicans who are lauding this decision are saying we want small government run by BIG money.  I say how about small government run by EQUAL money?  I cannot and will not accept as right, the interpretation that a corporation enjoys the same if not more rights than an individual.  And as I asked before:  why is the Right interpreting anyways?  Are they not the ones who despise the "interpreting" of the Constitution?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United
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« Reply #96 on: January 25, 2010, 10:08:39 AM »

Now please I can already hear the whining masses on the right about to say "but the unions................", SAVE IT!  The unions should not be able to do it either.  Until we can get back to a set dollar value of HARD MONEY from INDIVIDUAL donors the process will continue to be corrupted and we will remain in the strangle hold of the two party system, slowly being choked to death by the corporations who currently own our politics.


If this is what the Tea Parties were trying to stop, I'd be at every freakin meeting with a kilt, a head dress, and hell even bells if they wanted.
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Re: Supreme Court rolls back campaign spending limits
« Reply #97 on: January 25, 2010, 07:06:21 PM »

Okay.  I am allowed to receive a gift with a value of no more than $15 dollars from someone my company does business with.  So lavish $15 dollar checks on these pols who probably make much more than many of their constituents, have better benefits, and will probably get a better retirement.  You will never be able to convince people that these gifts don't come with strings.  Time for me to go to bed.  'Night.
Bad example I provided in my first post ell. Let's assume the congressmen work for their constituents. Just like you work for your employer. Now they should be capped on gifts they can receive from their constituents because they work for them, but they should be allowed to receive gifts from people who are not their constituents just like you can receive gifts from people who do not do business with your company.
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« Reply #98 on: January 25, 2010, 09:08:25 PM »

I'm sorry: I missed FF's contribution.  Was it a copy/paste job, or did he put his own thoughts (however meandering they may be) into the conversation?
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