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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2009, 11:54:15 PM »

It doesn't sound like much of a deal to me.
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2009, 12:53:26 AM »

It doesn't sound like much of a deal to me.
Why not everyone should pay for my education? Heaven forbid you have to pitch in some money to educate myself and others right? You do not want an uneducated society do you? Why should you be exempt from funding my education?
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2009, 01:02:49 AM »

Why not everyone should pay for my education? Heaven forbid you have to pitch in some money to educate myself and others right? You do not want an uneducated society do you? Why should you be exempt from funding my education?

I'm not, because I pay taxes. Are you exempt from paying my education? Of course not, we both went to public universities.

I'm saying, why are we both saddled with 25k+ debt, when most other European countries give their gifted students a free ride through the system?

The current US system is rigged to ensure that I will be in debt from age 21 to about age 65, when I can (theoretically) retire. At current "pay back" rates I'll have finished paying back my student loans sometime in my late 30s. OF course by then I'll have also bought a house and at least two more cars. Well, they'd like me to anyway.

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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2009, 08:04:05 AM »

I'm not, because I pay taxes.

OF course by then I'll have also bought a house and at least two more cars.

Which is it? Do you pay taxes now or will you pay taxes when you buy a house?
I own a house and pay taxes which fund Monroe Public Schools, yet I have no children going to MPS. I should get a credit and those who rent or pay no taxes for their own children should have to pay for their child's education, or at least a portion. Would parents forego their vacations and adult toys, not to mention cigarettes and alcohol, to educate their own children? I would rather my taxes go to help the homeless or those not able to take care of themselves rather than to those who are able to breed and fill the schools but have no financial obligation to pay for it.
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2009, 10:16:16 AM »

I couldn't imagine what would happen if public education were ended.

I used to live in Detroit, in a good old Polish neighborhood (read white) and the neighboring kids were largely uneducated animals.

One day I came home to find one of kids using a hand saw on the rear corner of the house...I had to install video cameras to capture all the ignorant things they would do or else while I would suspect them...I really wouldn't know for sure otherwise.

Now when I bought my house in Monroe County, one requirement was a decent educational system.

Poor schools and bad neighborhoods go hand in hand.

I do wonder what would happen to the people of Fairview should they be forced to close.

Law enforcement is the one that keeps proposing shutting them down...I wonder which Commissioner is under their thumb?
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #65 on: November 19, 2009, 01:17:38 PM »

Which is it? Do you pay taxes now or will you pay taxes when you buy a house?
I own a house and pay taxes which fund Monroe Public Schools, yet I have no children going to MPS. I should get a credit and those who rent or pay no taxes for their own children should have to pay for their child's education, or at least a portion. Would parents forego their vacations and adult toys, not to mention cigarettes and alcohol, to educate their own children? I would rather my taxes go to help the homeless or those not able to take care of themselves rather than to those who are able to breed and fill the schools but have no financial obligation to pay for it.

I wonder what would happen in your system to the tons of kids who have parents who don't work, and thus dont' pay taxes.
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2009, 03:34:25 PM »

I wonder what would happen in your system to the tons of kids who have parents who don't work, and thus dont' pay taxes.
I would guess that those who have kids who use the public schools system and pay taxes would cover those who do not have jobs. Using Pax's theory I shouldn't be forced to take care of something that doesn't affect me. By the way, this is just out there for discussion, and I do pay for kids to go to public schools and really have no problem with that or the Fairview issue. I believe that those who have always take care of those less fortunate.
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2009, 07:57:36 PM »

I am pleased to announce that the county commissioners took the vote of letting us let the citizens of Monroe County vote on saving Fairview. Our campaign will begin and I know it will be hard but, we are determine. Eight dollars a year will be asked of tax payers who own homes over one hundred fifty thousand, over two fifty twelve dollars yearly. This will help the disable transition into the county with the support of the program and well as those who cannot remain living within the home they know. Please look for our campaign to begin and, we ask for your support. Thanks to all who commented here on this issue again I know its hard times it would not be asked if it was not needed.
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2009, 07:15:49 AM »

Isn't "democracy" great?  One can vote to raise everybody else's taxes to pay for your pet projects!
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #69 on: November 20, 2009, 07:35:49 AM »

Isn't "democracy" great?  One can vote to raise everybody else's taxes to pay for your pet projects!
Actually if everyone would vote, the majority would speak for everyone. ONE can not raise everyone's taxes or that would be a dictatorship.
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2009, 11:19:52 AM »

There were no votes here  only to go forward on a millege to attempt helping this program. As it was pointed out it will now be a citizen vote which is a democracy. Fairview is not a pet project these are real people. It could be any of of us at any time this could happen to and, in the county we do not have anything out there. At the meeting last night a former resient of Fairview spoke who was an educated ER nurse who had a break down Fairview helped her and, she was able to regroup living successfully within the community. Many do not realize what this program is about or does. Please give us a chance to let others learn and vote.
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #71 on: November 20, 2009, 11:53:05 AM »

Which is it? Do you pay taxes now or will you pay taxes when you buy a house?
I own a house and pay taxes which fund Monroe Public Schools, yet I have no children going to MPS. I should get a credit and those who rent or pay no taxes for their own children should have to pay for their child's education, or at least a portion. Would parents forego their vacations and adult toys, not to mention cigarettes and alcohol, to educate their own children? I would rather my taxes go to help the homeless or those not able to take care of themselves rather than to those who are able to breed and fill the schools but have no financial obligation to pay for it.
Why should you get a credit for those who rent? You think that they don't pay property taxes? Do the people they rent from pay no property taxes? Where do you think that the people that DO pay the property taxes on those properties get their money from, the Money Tree Fairy? No, they get it from their renters, and when the taxes go up, so do the rents.
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #72 on: November 20, 2009, 12:09:37 PM »

Why should you get a credit for those who rent? You think that they don't pay property taxes? Do the people they rent from pay no property taxes? Where do you think that the people that DO pay the property taxes on those properties get their money from, the Money Tree Fairy? No, they get it from their renters, and when the taxes go up, so do the rents.

Could you post that phone number ??? ??? ???
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Funding for Fairview on May ballot
« Reply #73 on: November 20, 2009, 12:16:38 PM »

Funding for Fairview on May ballot

Cathy Garrity was a nurse at Beaumont Hospital, but she ended up homeless.

"I slept in my car," she told the Monroe County Board of Commissioners Thursday. "If it hadn’t been for Fairview, I don’t know what I would have done."

Ms. Garrity is just one of hundreds of examples of success Fairview has had in helping those who need it the most. This spring, county residents will decide if they want to help the institution at 3604 S. Custer Rd. via ballot.

"Fairview, for me, was a lifesaving move," Ms. Garrity said before the board voted to approve the agency’s request to ask for a countywide millage to help keep the facility open.

"I recuperated there. My health improved there," she said. "I have a nice apartment now. I’m working to be independent. I’ve started my own business. But without Fairview I’d still be on the street. You wouldn’t think that could happen to a nurse. I never thought it would happen to me. It can happen to anyone."

Her story silenced a packed commissioners’ chambers Thursday. And it swayed commissioners, too.

"There are obviously a lot more issues here than this millage," Commissioner Albert Potratz said. "I am torn. I listened to this young lady; she brought tears to my eyes. She is an educated woman. It’s almost an impossibility what happened to her – and it happened. We need to help these people."

But the board is between the proverbial rock and hard place with finances. Layoffs are imminent. Next year’s budget – despite cuts by many departments and 44 positions being eliminated – is still more than $4 million in the red.

A report on Fairview by the finance department shows that closing the facility will save the county about $259,000 the first year. Annually, the county general fund contributes about $600,000 a year to keep the infirmary open.

"That’s a number that at the end of the day we can’t overlook," Commissioner J. Henry Lievens said. "We have a moral responsibility and a financial responsibility."

The commissioners seemed prepared to support the facility and the Friends of Fairview volunteer’s request to put the matter before voters, but there was some disagreement as to how long county funding should remain in place.

Commissioner Floreine Mentel, who has championed Fairview’s cause throughout these budget talks, made a motion to put the issue on the May ballot, but also to provide funding for up to eight months in 2010.

A majority of the panel seemed interested only in funding the facility for six months and Mrs. Mentel amended her request "in order to get the matter on the ballot," she said after the meeting.

It’s still not clear exactly what the millage request will be. A memo from Laura Papenhagen, Fairview’s director, suggests that the tax request would be for .125 mills, roughly $8 a year for the owner of a $150,000 home.

But Commissioner Mentel Thursday night said she thought the agency would ask for just .1 mill. Voters will get a chance to decide in May regardless of what the agency asks for. For Commissioner R. LaMar Frederick, the matter is simple.

"The mere image of 36 people standing along side M-50 with their goods and belongings and nowhere to go is absolutely appalling," he said. "We have a social obligation to these people. You will find me a vigorous advocate" for Fairview.
http://www.monroenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091120/NEWS01/711209975/-1/NEWS
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Re: County residents could have option to save Fairview
« Reply #74 on: November 20, 2009, 12:30:43 PM »

Could you post that phone number ??? ??? ???

I'll go ask my landlord for the number. He owns half of Ann Arbor, and from what I hear, he is a real generous guy, and I'm sure he doesn't pass the property tax on to us renters.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

No, seriously, I don't remember the exact percentage of our rent that goes toward property tax, but it's there.
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