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[Pax]

There were no votes here  only to go forward on a millege to attempt helping this program. As it was pointed out it will now be a citizen vote which is a democracy.

  We don't live in a democracy.  Fairview isn't in a democracy.  Asking the "voters" to raise other people's taxes is almost a guaranteed "victory" for those wishing to fleece the sheeple.

Fairview is not a pet project these are real people....blah blah blah

wtf?  Fairview certainly is a favored "pet project" to a whole lot of people and, along with all the myriad other government-run boondoggles we're saddled with paying for, it seems we'll be taxed in perpetuity to keep "saving them.".  We the people are not, can not be, obligated to "help the less fortunate among us" by avowedly secular, if not even anti-religious, governments.  That is definitively within the realm of the spiritual, hence the pet-project/charity verbiage.

Many do not realize what this program is about or does. Please give us a chance to let others learn and vote.

Why is the supposed "answer" to every civilization "quandary" always more, and infinitely more-expensive, governmental "programs?" 

I don't doubt for a minute Fairviews roads are paved with good intentions, or that its aims are not laudable or beneficial for some among us - but begging the "voters," the vast majority of whom do not own property and won't ever be faced with eviction or land confiscation for "not paying their property taxes" to raise those taxes on others is patently unfair, and a disgraceful class-warfare tactic against those of us who do.  I dare say if any "millages" were put before Michigan's Electors, like they were in the 1800s, nary a "millage" would stand a snowball's chance in hell of being approved, but "voters" sure do like them.

[dld]

Again that is why a vote is goingout no one is forced to do anything they do not want to. However think about if you skipped lunch for one day it would take care of one person for a whole year. Many residents did not have a choice to be metally ill it is what it is. If they have no place to go to your taxes would go up in medical expenses, legal expenses, even with those who can transition the cost doubles with 24-7 care in place. Also the maintenance of the building is more then the program itself which to my knowledge would remain due to being a landmark. I have offered to personally meet anyone at Fairview who would like to meet the people and see the program. I understand what everyone is saying and, frankly to me it should have never even come to this point. It is the humane and right thing to do. What if it were you or me? Every county has something this is our only something. I could understand if it were more in taxes but it is not. We are paying $28.00 yearly for senior citizens legal help within the county, and other taxes as well many are unaware of. All we can do is try and if it is defeated then the voices have spoke. I cannot imagine for $8.00 year citizens turning their backs to help. How did it ever get to this point?

[Pax]

Again that is why a vote is goingout no one is forced to do anything they do not want to.

That was one of the most incoherent postings I've seen since I blocked FrenchFry's. 

If "the voters" approved a millage some do not approve of then they will most assuredly be forced to pay it, regardless.  It isn't charity, and it's not charitable, to steal other people's money to give to somebody else's favorite charity-case-of-the-month.

[lordfly]

That was one of the most incoherent postings I've seen since I blocked FrenchFry's. 

If "the voters" approved a millage some do not approve of then they will most assuredly be forced to pay it, regardless.  It isn't charity, and it's not charitable, to steal other people's money to give to somebody else's favorite charity-case-of-the-month.

It's certainly terrible that you can't always get what you want. Perhaps if you were more convincing in your arguments.

[Pax]

It's certainly terrible that you can't always get what you want...

Some of us just want to be left the hell alone from grandiose, marxist schemes to take what is ours against our wishes.  It is a de facto tenet of all Christian sects to take care of the poor, invalids, etc., but stealing from our neighbors to do so in the name of humanism/communism isn't a licit means to that end.

[Baby Hitler]

Some of us just want to be left the hell alone from grandiose, marxist schemes to take what is ours against our wishes.  It is a de facto tenet of all Christian sects to take care of the poor, invalids, etc., but stealing from our neighbors to do so in the name of humanism/communism isn't a licit means to that end.

Sorry, but charity to others, while given the evil term of Socialism, is part of the constitution, and one of the founding ideas for this country.

Just read the preamble of the constitution, it's in there. Basically, when you come down to the true meaning of it, it means we are all going to work together to make it the best it can be for everyone.

If you want to remove the "promote the general welfare" then you might as remove "provide for the common defense", and "secure the blessings of liberty".

[lordfly]

Some of us just want to be left the hell alone from grandiose, marxist schemes to take what is ours against our wishes.  It is a de facto tenet of all Christian sects to take care of the poor, invalids, etc., but stealing from our neighbors to do so in the name of humanism/communism isn't a licit means to that end.

taking care of the poor means wealth redistribution. There is no magic Jesus Hat that resources pour out of.

[Kingsley]

Why should you get a credit for those who rent? You think that they don't pay property taxes? Do the people they rent from pay no property taxes? Where do you think that the people that DO pay the property taxes on those properties get their money from, the Money Tree Fairy? No, they get it from their renters, and when the taxes go up, so do the rents.

What was meant was that I should get a credit because I don't use the public school system, not for those who rent. Sorry for your confusion.

[Pax]

LF - wealth-redistribution is another tenet of marxism found in the manifesto.  Are you yet prepared to admit you're a marxist?

BunnyBrains - "promote the general welfare" in no way, shape or form implies any form of its provision by taxpayer-extorted funds.  Charity is doing for others because God wills it; Socialism/marxism is doing for others because its what the state demands with the barrel of a gun aimed at one's head.

[dld]

Pax there is no need for name calling judgments everyone can have an opinion isn't that what this blogging is all about? I am sorry for any confusion that I have posted. If the majority vote for it yes it passes that's true but then the voices are heard. If you do nothing then either way you did not have a say so don't judge please we all have free will and choices if we are able. I have worked with these individuals for ten years as their social worker my taxes go with everyone else's as well. Many do not understand Fairview I know I didn't when I first moved to Monroe I was told it was an "insane asylum." I have to admit over the years of service I have seen every uncalled remarks, stigma, judgment, passed upon individuals with mental illness, disabilities. There are so many success stories that have came out of Fairview and some that have not. The residents who reside there are aware of what is happening right now and they are scared, very scared, as they should be they know what people say and think. Did they ask for this? They too have rights like you and me. Many agencies go in to offer them hope, support, we want them transition into the community to be productive. Shouldn't they be given that chance?  God wills nothing but what we have created. It's call flesh which isn't always perfect.

[Frenchfry]

I wouldn't take anything Pax says seriously...he isn't held in high regard by many...well maybe Flip likes him because Pax picks up his farm animal excrement. 

[Baby Hitler]

LF - wealth-redistribution is another tenet of marxism found in the manifesto.  Are you yet prepared to admit you're a marxist?

BunnyBrains - "promote the general welfare" in no way, shape or form implies any form of its provision by taxpayer-extorted funds.  Charity is doing for others because God wills it; Socialism/marxism is doing for others because its what the state demands with the barrel of a gun aimed at one's head.

It will promote the general welfare the same way it provides for the common defense.

If you don't like that, I guess you can always shoot those pesky revenuers when they come for your money.

[lordfly]

LF - wealth-redistribution is another tenet of marxism found in the manifesto.  Are you yet prepared to admit you're a marxist?

Are you yet prepared to admit your Lord and Savior popularized Marxism 1800 years before Karl Marx?

[Pax]

Now that our roads are crumbling, Frenchtown fire departments are going bankrupt, HeadStart is failing, skools need more money to pay their teechers, Kate Ebli and Richard Ville-Tax-You are running out of ideas not involving tax increases, and Michigan is borrowing federale fundage to stay afloat - does anyone have any updates on this "Save Fairview!!" millage plan? 

[lordfly]

Now that our roads are crumbling, Frenchtown fire departments are going bankrupt, HeadStart is failing, skools need more money to pay their teechers, Kate Ebli and Richard Ville-Tax-You are running out of ideas not involving tax increases, and Michigan is borrowing federale fundage to stay afloat - does anyone have any updates on this "Save Fairview!!" millage plan? 

2 months and you still haven't answered. Was Jesus a Socialist or not?