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"Obama and the Decline of White America
« on: November 20, 2009, 11:08:58 PM »

Being new to Mt I looked forward to seeing what the political mindset of the people that posted on this blog.I had heard that there were stimulating debates and some very insightful minds posting here.Discovering that we could read past posts,it became clear to me why some characters here post what they do.This article summed it up much better than I could ever do.This article only applies to the few of course.They know who they are.Obama and the Decline of White America

By Gary Younge



   
During the Democratic primary, Chris Rock famously joked that George Bush had "f*****d up so bad that it's hard for a white man to run for president." Some took him seriously. In August 2007 Esquire ran a cover of John Edwards with the question: "Can a white man still be elected president?" That the headline made any sense at all is a testament to the assumptions that prevail about who is entitled to the job. Of the seventeen presidential candidates in both main parties, fourteen were white men--32 percent of the population, 82 percent of the candidates, 100 percent of the past presidents. These are the kinds of odds that would make Kim Jong Il's election agent smile. Back then, with Obama trailing Clinton and both trailing Giuliani in the polls, the lash had not yet been wielded. But the backlash was already beginning.



   
 
     

     

   

 
   

Today it is in full swing. Right-wingers have turned up at Obama's events carrying guns. Facebook recently pulled a poll asking, "Should Obama be killed?'' with choices of yes, no, maybe and "If he cuts my health care.'' This was clearly anticipated by Apollo Braun, a Manhattan store owner, whose "Who Killed Obama?" T-shirts were his most popular even before the election.

In between came gun-toting protesters at town hall meetings and official events. One of them carried a placard saying, "It is time to water the tree of liberty"--a reference to Thomas Jefferson's famous quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." It's the same quote Timothy McVeigh was wearing on his T-shirt when he was arrested for bombing the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. From the time that Obama declared he was running, the primary concern among African-Americans was the same as the one expressed by Alma Powell as her husband, Colin Powell, contemplated running in 1996--assassination. Now it appears that those dark fears have become, in some quarters, white fantasies.

How real these threats are and how many people are behind them is anybody's guess. They are certainly part of a trend. In April a Homeland Security report, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," concluded: "The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment." It also surmised that "rightwing extremist groups' frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence." In any case, as 9/11 showed, you don't need that many people to send the world into turmoil.

What is truly stunning is the degree to which these marginal voices are explicitly sustained and implicitly condoned by the mainstream. Rarely condemned by Congressional Republicans, the rage has been galvanized by the sum of the slanders from the right-wing echo chamber.

After all, if Obama truly were a Kenyan-born Nazi and terrorist sympathizer who has usurped the presidency in order to set up concentration camps to house dissenters, then armed insurrection could be one logical response. The fact that he is none of those things suggests that there are far deeper forces at play. The right's ability to cast white people as victims is possible only because of the dramatic downward spiral of power and influence for white Americans at home and abroad that, paradoxically, accelerated under Bush.

Internationally, the United States' failed wars and flailing economy have left one of the world's most patriotic nations desperately trying to recalibrate its role in global affairs. "Owing to the relative decline of its economic and, to a lesser extent, military power, the US will no longer have the same flexibility in choosing among as many policy options," concluded the National Intelligence Council (which coordinates analysis from all US intelligence agencies) in November 2008. Meanwhile, neoliberal globalization has left white Americans feeling insecure in a world where they once called the shots. Among citizens of forty-six countries polled in 2007, Americans had the least positive view on foreign trade and one of the least positive on foreign companies. With unemployment edging toward double figures and a once stagnant median income now shrinking, white Americans do not experience their lot compared with nonwhite Americans as one of relative privilege, because compared with last year they are poorer.

Add to this the fact that numerically, white Americans will be a minority by 2045, and you have the basis for the panic that has been unleashed. Obama's election did not create these anxieties. (Were he more radical in his policies, he might actually alleviate some of them.) It has simply provided a focus for them and, conversely, proved that there is a vast constituency--particularly among the young--who do not share them.

The country these right-wingers keep saying they "want back" is a white one in which their exclusive entitlement to the exercise of power, locally and globally, goes unchallenged. The fact that that country isn't coming back is what makes their voices so shrill and their actions so extreme. Demographically, economically and geopolitically, white America is in decline. In the absence of any meaningful analysis of class, race or internationalism, white Americans are understandably disoriented. Never having considered the unearned privilege of being white and American, all they can see are things being taken away from them. Never having considered solidarity with blacks and Latinos, they see them not as potential allies but as perpetual enemies. Obama's election showed that these appeals to fear can be defeated; events since then indicate that they can still be destructive
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Re: "Obama and the Decline of White America
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 11:10:59 PM »

You forgot the link...  And welcome to MT is I haven't said so before.
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Re: "Obama and the Decline of White America
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2009, 11:17:39 PM »

Thank you Duck, I pasted it instead.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2009, 11:23:10 PM »

The last paragraph is the clincher.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 12:08:27 AM »

Hmmm.  Interesting article.  Some I agree with, and others I am not so sure about.

The megaphone amplification of less than 1% of the population, the tea party folk, is odd.  I can understand using it for news, but not making it "appear" to be a much larger population than it is, and giving false claims credence.

I think what i don't care for is the idea that much of the opposition to Obama is racial.  I don't think that most of it is, some yes, but not most.  As much as many of them yell "sheeple' they seem to be played by the Republican leadership.  They are following the tune they set for nothing other than partisan reasons.  In short, I think that almost all of the opposition, no matter what is squaked, is partisn Republican propaganda on a supposedly local level.  Just so i don't get accused of politicizing this too far, yes, I know some are conservatives that are now (suddenly) upset over spending (but never semed to be when it was Republicans in power).  But too, it is painfully obvious how many of them wear that mask, only to further the Republican agenda, not conservative ideals.

I have a very hard time separating the Republican party proper, from the so called non-partisan tea partiers.  WHen Promonent Republicans use the platform of teas, to further the Republican formal goals, and the teas let them......    When they say that they are non-partisan, yet threaten anyone not for right if they show up.....   I have even seen moderate Republicans threatened in the same ways.  That isn't healthy for a nation.  Yet, the media feeds their delusions that they are something that they are not.  Only two reasons give them airtime...  lunacy, and the Republican platform.  There was plenty of the former over the summer, and even last fall during the election campaign.  The message is settling down now and gelling into a mirror of what the main Republican party wants them to be. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 10:17:37 AM »

The article, in toto, is propaganda par excellence.  As the liberals and their cronies "on the right" are finally able to legislate their long-held plans for the country I fully agree there is going to be a backlash from a larger percentage of the population as the details are found out.  Americans are unique in history because of what our constitution originally enshrined: a man's labor is his to own and control, his destiny is in his own hands, he is not beholden to another human being like our forebears from Europe were for centuries, if not millenia.  But that America has been usurped and replaced with something entirely different and, indeed, alien to our shores and our people.  The collectivistic mindset of the globo-philes and marxists of varying stripes is anathema to our senses of freedom and individuality, and to our God-given rights: it can only be expected that some value those intangibles more than their very lives.  There are some things more important than self to a truly passionate individual: things he would be willing to sacrifice himself for.  On the contrary, the marxists/socialists and related pawns in varying groups are only willing to sacrifice others for their grand schemes.  For the liberals to decry the fact that some aren't willing to sacrifice themselves for liberal ends is disingenious, if not malevolent.  The smear campaigns presently going full-tilt against patriotic Americans are of the worst kind possible - vilifying our friends and neighbors because they won't bow down and worship the global-Leviathon some wholeheartedly wish to impose on the planet is warfare.  Mental warfare: soon to be replaced by warfare with materiel more deadly than the verbal insults tossed like rotten Halloween candy at anything to the right of chairman Mao and comrade Lenin.  What made America great, what made it the envy of the world, was not our "diversity," it was that we were allowed to keep that which we earned, that we were surrounded by like-minded people who wholeheartedly worked together to solve whatever "problems" they encountered, who enjoyed a proliferation of what we call the "middle class" unknown anywhere else on earth prior to it, who worhispped every Sunday the God mentioned so often in our founding documents.  That world is now history because of the usurpers, the globalists, because they know they had to destroy each and every one of those things.  They aren't capable of enslaving a free people enmasse when there is coherence and cohesion among them - the US of today is neither coherent, nor cohesive, and will shortly crumble into pieces somewhat resembling our original status, but they will be shortlived.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 11:55:36 AM »

One of the best pieces of advice that I have ever heard is this:

Don't believe your own rhetoric.

It is reassuring for far-left Democrats to believe that a significant chunk of the opposition to Obama's policies have come from a core of racism.

But there actually are people out there who don't want to spend all of the grandkids' money.

There actually are people who want a climate bill that includes nukes, natural gas and clean coal.

There really are people who don't want government-financed abortion to be included in a much-needed national health care bill.

And there are people out there who want someone to stand up for all of the industrial communities out there that have just been slammed for the past thirty years.

None of that is racism.

And if liberals chug down the rhetorical Kool-Aid, Americans will find someone who can do those things.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 12:12:07 PM »

BTW, I think that affluent, educated white liberals can be just as closed-minded as more conservative small-town white conservatives.

I used to work at a preschool in Ann Arbor and there are many rich white Democratic families in that town who use cheap Mexican labor to take care of the lawn, cook the food and babysit the kids.  That's racism.

When there was a rapist a few years ago in Ann Arbor with an African-American suspect, the police basically started to take blood tests from every black man in town to find the perpetrator.  That's racism.

And while I think that there is certainly some amount of racism in opposition to Obama, I think that there is condescension among at least some white liberals towards less-affluent, less-educated, more-religious white voters.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 05:32:23 PM »


And while I think that there is certainly some amount of racism in opposition to Obama, I think that there is condescension among at least some white liberals towards less-affluent, less-educated, more-religious white voters.

Good point. That does make sense. My question Mike would be why is the media so soft on Obama? I would think that most other democrat or republican who supported a documented racist preacher for 20 years would have been destroyed. Plus some of the other baggage, views, actions, and acquaintances. I just love all that bowing....lol
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 05:41:13 PM »

Good point. That does make sense. My question Mike would be why is the media so soft on Obama? I would think that most other democrat or republican who supported a documented racist preacher for 20 years would have been destroyed. Plus some of the other baggage, views, actions, and acquaintances. I just love all that bowing....lol

More succiently, why was the media so soft on Bush? Or Clinton? Or bush the first?

The media should exist to rip to shreds the government, not prop it up.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2009, 05:54:08 PM »


More succiently, why was the media so soft on Bush? Or Clinton? Or bush the first?

The media should exist to rip to shreds the government, not prop it up.

I don't know about Bush 1, but I think the media was tough on Clinton and Bush 2. I agree that the media should rip the government when needed and not prop it up.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2009, 06:59:57 PM »

I don't know about Bush 1, but I think the media was tough on Clinton and Bush 2. I agree that the media should rip the government when needed and not prop it up.

I have to agree with ghost here LF, the media definately was not soft on Bush 2, and Clinton got a pretty healthy dose as well.  Aside from the far right "entertainers" that people point to as media when it suits them, this media is pretty much still star struck and reporting pretty much anything the White House wants in the hopes of attaining a private invite to one of Michelle's grand galas.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2009, 07:02:11 PM »

I don't know about Bush 1, but I think the media was tough on Clinton and Bush 2. I agree that the media should rip the government when needed and not prop it up.

Are you SERIOUS? I distinctly remember a sudden lack of spine by all of the major news organizations when it came to the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, the entire Iraq war debacle, and countless other insanities.

The networks were more than happy to just read the Pentagon's press releases.
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2009, 07:20:15 PM »

I have to agree with ghost here LF, the media definately was not soft on Bush 2, and Clinton got a pretty healthy dose as well.  Aside from the far right "entertainers" that people point to as media when it suits them, this media is pretty much still star struck and reporting pretty much anything the White House wants in the hopes of attaining a private invite to one of Michelle's grand galas.

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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2009, 07:20:48 PM »

Are you SERIOUS? I distinctly remember a sudden lack of spine by all of the major news organizations when it came to the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, the entire Iraq war debacle, and countless other insanities.

The networks were more than happy to just read the Pentagon's press releases.

well I am serious as a heart attack about the media being soft on Obama. Do you agree or disagree with the media being soft on Obama?
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