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[Professor H]

Okay there are a lot of naysayers about the current elected officials doing a poor job or not doing anything right.

I expect to see a whole new slate for all those positions - with some of the brilliant minds on this board we should see everything solved in 2 years.

Who's running?     (maybe we should share tips on how to get elected)

[Matt (formerly ML)]

Okay there are a lot of naysayers about the current elected officials doing a poor job or not doing anything right.

I expect to see a whole new slate for all those positions - with some of the brilliant minds on this board we should see everything solved in 2 years.

Who's running?

Can you see the underlying assumptions implicit in your question?

[Pax]

I just noticed a little something which will (probably) profoundly confuse most readers of this forum, but it's interesting nonetheless.  No matter the "public office" one must be part and parcel of the problem to begin with to file the candidacy form ED-104.
The .pdf format won't let me copy the pertinent lines 

One must fill in these particulars, with the emboldened emphasis mine:

Residence Address (Street Adress, City, ZIP Code
City / Township of ______
County of _____
Resident of County for _____
Resident of Michigan for _____
I am a citizen of the United States: yes _____ no _____ (You must be a United States citizen to seek office)

For those out of the loop let me summarize the above: a "resident" is incorporated, every City/Township/State of ____ is incorporated, a "citizen of the United States" is incorporated, and the usage of a ZIP code places one's "residence" firmly within federal jurisdiction.  It's quite simple, actually: every facet of our government, no matter how quibbling, is operating under Federal Corporate Law.  If you're not "one of them" there's absolutely, positively no way to effect any governmental change(s) within their system - to do so must be from without.

[lordfly]

I just noticed a little something which will (probably) profoundly confuse most readers of this forum, but it's interesting nonetheless.  No matter the "public office" one must be part and parcel of the problem to begin with to file the candidacy form ED-104.
The .pdf format won't let me copy the pertinent lines 

One must fill in these particulars, with the emboldened emphasis mine:

Residence Address (Street Adress, City, ZIP Code
City / Township of ______
County of _____
Resident of County for _____
Resident of Michigan for _____
I am a citizen of the United States: yes _____ no _____ (You must be a United States citizen to seek office)

For those out of the loop let me summarize the above: a "resident" is incorporated, every City/Township/State of ____ is incorporated, a "citizen of the United States" is incorporated, and the usage of a ZIP code places one's "residence" firmly within federal jurisdiction.  It's quite simple, actually: every facet of our government, no matter how quibbling, is operating under Federal Corporate Law.  If you're not "one of them" there's absolutely, positively no way to effect any governmental change(s) within their system - to do so must be from without.

If you have rescinded your citizenship, I assume you have a green card, yes?

And if you're not a citizen of this country, why, exactly, are you complaining about it?

[Matt (formerly ML)]

And if you're not a citizen of this country, why, exactly, are you complaining about it?

Does that mean you don't get to complain about Stalinist Russia, or Nazi Germany because you weren't a citizen of those meat grinders?

"Citizenship" is a fabrication of collectivism. Any honest person denounces murder, despite their "citizenship".

[Pax]

Yep.  Confused people wondering wtf? just as expected.  To add a couple cents worth more, on a more personal note, to help with the questions: I've never been a US citizen, even if I assumed I was back when I was younger and more ignorant of the facts.  I haven't "rescinded" anything because there was nothing to rescind - no US citizenship hence no US citizenship to rescind and no green card is required to be whence I have always called home.  As the "United States of America" is a historical nation that leaves national citizenship open to speculation, or perhaps not, but I can still claim to be a Michigander, even if I'm not a "resident of," a "citizen of" or "registered voter of" State of Michigan.  I hope that clarifies things.  Don't any of you people ever read legal definitions??  They're important, they really are!  Especially if you're thinking of "running for public office."

[jbs49238]

So where did you go to college?

What ZIP code do you use to receive your mail?

What do you supply as valid proof of residency for your I-9 when you begin work at an employer?

What piece of documentation do you hand the officer when he pulls you over for speeding?

I am willing to bet that you most definitely ARE a "citizen" of the United States of America.  I am also willing to bet that you have used the perks of that "citizenship" on more than one occasion, and most likely on a daily basis.  You cannot choose not to be a citizen only when it benefits you.

Or are we to believe that you are a home schooled, non college educated, troll, who lives in a box, and takes the bus to the job that pays you under the table?

Worse than being a joke, you are a hypocrite as well.

[tree hugging liberal]

2151 posts with at least 45 words each.That is over 96,750 words.That 2.6 times more than Dr. Theodore John Kaczynski's manifesto.He would probably be impressed.

[jbs49238]

2151 posts with at least 45 words each.That is over 96,750 words.That 2.6 times more than Dr. Theodore John Kaczynski's manifesto.He would probably be impressed.

Isn't it funny how he leaves nuggets here and there and will argue with you until he is asked a question that will expose him?  Then he just waits for another thread to drop bombs in.  How can you take a poster seriously that will never answer a question?

[Pax]

So where did you go to college?  (What does that matter to the topic?)

What ZIP code do you use to receive your mail?  (I don't.  It's optional)

What do you supply as valid proof of residency for your I-9 when you begin work at an employer?  (Who I do or do not work for is no concern of anyone on this forum, and wtf is an I-9?)

What piece of documentation do you hand the officer when he pulls you over for speeding?  (You incorrectly assume I "speed" and would need something to show an officer.)

I am willing to bet that you most definitely ARE a "citizen" of the United States of America.  I am also willing to bet that you have used the perks of that "citizenship" on more than one occasion, and most likely on a daily basis.  You cannot choose not to be a citizen only when it benefits you. (The US of A doesn't exist anywhere but in our collective memories and/or history books; and won't be coming back anytime soon.  As for the US; I've read their definitions, perhaps you should, too - you might learn something useful.)

Or are we to believe that you are a home schooled, non college educated, troll, who lives in a box, and takes the bus to the job that pays you under the table?  (Believe what you like, perhaps you could start a thread for posters to add their personal info)

Worse than being a joke, you are a hypocrite as well.  (I actually work very hard at not being a hypocrite - my political stance on public life is quite consistent, unlike the wishy-washy establishment republicrats who blow with the political winds and kiss whichever donors are doling out campaign cash.)

I've addressed some of your concerns (I certainly hope you didn't lose any sleep waiting with breathless anticipation for them) but wtf do any of them have to do with the topic - besides "Pax won't be running for office anytime soon"?  (Which should have been amply ascertained a very long time ago.)

[jbs49238]

Pax,

I expected nothing less from you.

When it comes time to belly up to the bar, you pass.  Those were very answerable questions, that were VERY RELEVANT to the thread and your post, without offering up any personal information.

I went to MCCC and WMU, I provide my SS card for employment purposes, I would hand over my driverse license if I were to be stopped for a traffic violation, and my zip code is in my userid.

I am guessing that your answers if given honestly would be quite similar.  Yet another citizen that wants the benefits without the liabilities.

[Pax]

So . . . back to the topic: who in the hell is "running" for which particular porcine-esque feeding-location @ the public trough that we should be discussing now?  Or are thread titles actually not that pertinent to the tangential conversations of posters who prefer to discuss themselves here?

[Professor H]

So . . . back to the topic: who in the hell is "running" for which particular porcine-esque feeding-location @ the public trough that we should be discussing now?  Or are thread titles actually not that pertinent to the tangential conversations of posters who prefer to discuss themselves here?

That was my original purpose - to see if anyone was going to run for office.
Lot's of complaints about those in office now - but I haven't seen or heard of anyone willing to step up and start running for one of those offices.

[jbs49238]

Are you criticising people who are critical of government just because they don't run?  That seems a bit disingenuous.

Many people do not have the time, funding or either to run for elected office.  Some people work in positions that preclude them running for office.  Does that make the opinions of those people less valid?  You questioning is beginning to take on a tone of master / servant!  Are you a master trying to keep the servants in line?  Do you feel that those who do not run for office should be subject to the servants whims, and not question that which directly affects them?

I think you are either trying to play the smarty pants game or your working up to something.  Which is it?

It seems strange that you would apply that question to such a small group of people.  I also don't think it is quite time to declare yet either is it?

[Frenchfry]

Maybe the question posed will start people thinking about it....I suspect more than a few people will choose anyone other than an incumbent but someone has to throw their hat into the ring first.

Running unopposed is the norm in this town.