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[Susan T]

Is Obama black? I thought he was mixed. And just what does that have to do with anything he has done? No one can hide and use that excuse forever. He spends so much time on the golf course, "visiting" other Countries..Just think of all the things he HAS NOT done. When I was getting ready to vote. I looked at the candidates' voting records in their Home States and in the Senate itself. Obama fell far short of any real voting. "Present" was his favorite response. The Caucus is for those who care about the Country and it fellow citizens. If you would bother to show up, you would find that God is rarely mentioned, If that is what is bothering any of you. I change minds one person at a time. And I'm doing a pretty good job of it. Thanks to Obamas constant whining and wanting to tax everything nailed or free. He's doing my work for me. God is in all this. He doesn't have to have his name said. He's not the Egomaniac. As far as voting for a Black man into office...If Powell would have run, I would have voted for him..Brilliant man. A war time President. Education is high on his list. But as it stands now..Ron Paul would get my vote. He's is fearless. I like that in a man.

[The Fuzz]

Is Obama black? I thought he was mixed. And just what does that have to do with anything he has done? No one can hide and use that excuse forever. He spends so much time on the golf course, "visiting" other Countries..Just think of all the things he HAS NOT done. When I was getting ready to vote. I looked at the candidates' voting records in their Home States and in the Senate itself. Obama fell far short of any real voting. "Present" was his favorite response. The Caucus is for those who care about the Country and it fellow citizens. If you would bother to show up, you would find that God is rarely mentioned, If that is what is bothering any of you. I change minds one person at a time. And I'm doing a pretty good job of it. Thanks to Obamas constant whining and wanting to tax everything nailed or free. He's doing my work for me. God is in all this. He doesn't have to have his name said. He's not the Egomaniac. As far as voting for a Black man into office...If Powell would have run, I would have voted for him..Brilliant man. A war time President. Education is high on his list. But as it stands now..Ron Paul would get my vote. He's is fearless. I like that in a man.

OK, Susan.....lets say I "bother" to show up. In what context is God rarely brought into the meeting discussion and why?  Explain to me the group's position on abortion.  I may be interested, but I am not going to listen to right to life discussions or sermons.  I'd go to church if I cared to listen to that.

[Susan T]

We talk Issues. Not religion. I have yet to hear a sermon. I am Pro-life.  Yet in all the months I have been going, it has'nt been brought up. It is about the government. Personal beliefs and party are left at the door.

[The Fuzz]

Are meeting dates, times, and location posted on the MEN calendar?

[Monique]

This group is a fraud.....sucking in many unhappy with government but the underlying goal of the organizers is to prevent change....many are unwittingly fighting for the status quo.....the poor are advocating for the rich as if the corporations haven't done enough damage already.

And then you have the opportunists coming from across the political spectrum whose biggest issue is a black man in office....

A very unsavory motley crew for sure....don't be a fool....wrap your tool and stay in school....this phony caucus has nefarious intentions but in reality it's just a waste of time....a revolution to them means a return to old.....trying something new & fresh is far better.

Sure the Republican Party left us in dire straights and since it took some time to accomplish that.....it'll take some time to overcome as well.

Just remember Obama remains very popular.....the majority still approve for a reason....change from the old.....the alternative is far worse.

I agree with you 100% here, but did you lapse into rap in the middle of this post? lol

[jbs49238]

     Well jbs certainly implies things I do not see written, nor have I heard emanating from, the CCofMC website or mission statement. 

     A mandated reliance on governmental provisions, be it "rights" or anything else, is de facto slavery.  If one wishes to enslave oneself to another (superior?) human power by all means have at it: but don't disparage those who know better.

     Moral superiority exists despite the prolification of contrary opinions.  We have human laws against thievery, against murder, against too many actions for a simple response here - we have them not because they're "not nice," nay, we have such laws because they are sinful.  One cannot extricate the Creator from our historically moral (or original legal) codes with anything resembling accuracy.  If anyone thinks the establishment "republican party" has a firm grasp on morality, classical liberalism, libertarian-principles or anything remotely "conservative" obviously knows nothing worth sharing with others.

     "Partisan pressure" is inextricable from the political process.  If some "partisans" want to take all you have and give it to someone they feel more-deserving I sure hope there will be "partisan pressure" screaming No!

     My personal opinions on, and posted to, the various and sundry threads on this forum are mine alone, whether they are sometimes shared by others isn't a concern of this one.

I didn't imply anything Pax, I asked a question based on your post, and then pointed out that a member of the group (who pointed out that the group, in her opinion, basically felt in line with your post) agreed with you.  If a group in any way shape or form would align itself with any little bit of your beliefs that would be enough for me not to show up.

The CCMC is going to eventually infiltrated, consumed, and crapped out by the Republican Party.  Much like a swarm of locusts.  Once the mainstream Republicans get on board in an effort to find a bastion away from the Party without leaving the Party, the group will end up comprised of the same ol same ol.  A bunch of folks that claim to be conservatives but sat on the sidelines as cheerleaders for Bush, campaigned for McCain, and then threw both of their memories overboard when they found out the Country isn't buying what those two were selling.

And I noticed that you decided not to address the question.  Another thing you are good at!

[John Kopke]

Lot of speculation about what the Caucus is and isn't. FF for example doesn't have a clue, but you'd never know it from his posts.

The country is spinning out of control financially. We're looking at a potential very serious collapse in the value of
the dollar. Both private and government debt are the culprit.
The Caucus is made up of individuals whom understand
the fundamentals of the problem. The health care legislation being proposed will only excerbate the problem.

We understand that government policies and regulations are the driving force undermining the country. Profligate debt was the cause of the meltdown we are experiencing and the government and the FED are using more debt as the solution. It is masking the problem in the very short term and exascebating the problem down the road. Why do you think the price of gold has increased 25% in the last 6 months?

Folks you better get educated on economics and start demanding of the pols they get in line. And that, for all the speculators on what the Caucus is, is a primary concern and a central mission of the Caucus.

[lordfly]

Gold has shot up 25% because of speculation.

Seeing as we both don't understand economics as much as we both think we do, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Abby]

jbs:  From my comment to Pax: Upon what do you base your
        comment guessing that I am a member of the CCMC
        And, further, upon what do you base your comment,
        again guessing, that my agreeing with Pax is an
        indication of what the CCMC  is all about.  You are
        making comments concerning the unknown and 
        presenting them as absolutes. [The fact is one of the
        following is true:  l]both Pax and I are members of
        CCMC, 2]neither Pax nor I are members of CCMC, or
        3] one of is a member and the other is not.]  All this
        to point out that you are throwing out assumptions
        as fact, when you do not really know for sure if what
        you are saying is true.  If I were to do that, I am
        thinking the results might be different, based upon
        the evidence of your former post.  But, alas, you
        may have a change of heart! [Hint: As of this
        moment, to my knowledge, I do not even know Pax
        as anyone other than another poster on MT.]

[Frenchfry]

Lot of speculation about what the Caucus is and isn't. FF for example doesn't have a clue, but you'd never know it from his posts.

The country is spinning out of control financially. We're looking at a potential very serious collapse in the value of
the dollar. Both private and government debt are the culprit.
The Caucus is made up of individuals whom understand
the fundamentals of the problem. The health care legislation being proposed will only excerbate the problem.

We understand that government policies and regulations are the driving force undermining the country. Profligate debt was the cause of the meltdown we are experiencing and the government and the FED are using more debt as the solution. It is masking the problem in the very short term and exascebating the problem down the road. Why do you think the price of gold has increased 25% in the last 6 months?

Folks you better get educated on economics and start demanding of the pols they get in line. And that, for all the speculators on what the Caucus is, is a primary concern and a central mission of the Caucus.

Obviously the caucus doesn't really understand the problem at all....you have one dummy telling his version of what is wrong to the others...possibly making them dumber than they were before they arrived......wrong begets wrong.....junk in, junk out.....bad information in results in bad information out.

Health care reform will fix many ills and is the socially responsible thing to do as well.

Sugarcoat the meltdown if it makes you feel better but failed Republican Policies caused the mess.....the very same policies you embrace.

Only an idiot would fall for your crap. I can almost envision the fools drooling all over themselves now......it must be almost comical trying to speak slow enough so the nimrod attendees can nod in agreement while not really understanding much of anything....they just are mad at the government and enjoy cheerleading for someone offering the empty promise of getting Obama out.

I'm impressed at your ability to baffle 'em with bovine excrement.....you are a salesman indeed.

Your scare tactics aren't working.....except for the morons that joined your group.

Pssst....perhaps your minions should wear tinfoil hats so the bad ole government won't read what's on their minds.....I suspect that while you're speaking, they're thinking about dinner.

I thought of a new recruitment line.....if you don't know what a double negative is or how to use an apostrophe correctly then come join us because you won't be alone.

[Frenchfry]

jbs:  From my comment to Pax: Upon what do you base your
        comment guessing that I am a member of the CCMC
        And, further, upon what do you base your comment,
        again guessing, that my agreeing with Pax is an
        indication of what the CCMC  is all about.  You are
        making comments concerning the unknown and 
        presenting them as absolutes. [The fact is one of the
        following is true:  l]both Pax and I are members of
        CCMC, 2]neither Pax nor I are members of CCMC, or
        3] one of is a member and the other is not.]  All this
        to point out that you are throwing out assumptions
        as fact, when you do not really know for sure if what
        you are saying is true.  If I were to do that, I am
        thinking the results might be different, based upon
        the evidence of your former post.  But, alas, you
        may have a change of heart! [Hint: As of this
        moment, to my knowledge, I do not even know Pax
        as anyone other than another poster on MT.]

So either you attend the events or sympathize with the cause...to say otherwise would be disingenuous.

[Abby]

Thank you very much, FF, for speculating in JBS's stead, whom you apparently do not think can handle it.  We shall see. 

[Frenchfry]

Thank you very much, FF, for speculating in JBS's stead, whom you apparently do not think can handle it.  We shall see.

Sorry but this site is open to comments from all....if you wanted a private conversation then you should have used the PM system. 

You two can chew each other up for all I care....just stating the obvious.

[SidecarFlip]

Any good Euchre players?

[The Fuzz]

LOL....I've played a couple of hands, Flip.

Something we used to do quite often, especially during  the winter months in the St. Louis area, was to gather in a bar and play euchre for hours while having political discussions at the  local and state levels.  In fact, it was not uncommon for our state rep and senator to show up.

Always civil, surprisingly considering the alcohol around, open discussions. I never see that  kind of thing around here,  and quite honestly miss it.