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[SPOOKYTOOTH]

Those tap dancing shoes don't go around your head, they are too tight there and are further cutting off the circulation. 

You are either blind or intentionally avaoiding it.  I believe the latter more than the former.



but I HAVE proven you to be in error on various topics, yet you counter with statements such as "what is truth", "I have a right to be wrong..."

There it is right there!  Yet you have cited nothing I said that is in error.  You have only painfully pointed out that we don't agree.

You stated that everyone has the right to be wrong. I presented to you the reasons why your opinion was in error. Now whether or not YOU CHOOSE to accept my proof IS entirely up to YOU; but it does not change the fact that I did present to you where and why you are in error.

Then from the VERY TOP POST OF THIS PAGE:

Nothing!  You didn't even try to stand and back up your statements.  I asked you what you thought I voted for!  What is it spooky?  What did I vote for, you know nothing about me and less about reality.

Well, judging from your posts and statements; I would have to say that you either voted from the aspect of DOUBLE MINDED REASONING or obviously HAD NO CLUE what you WERE voting for... because REALITY proves that regardless of WHICH WAY you voted you would still have been in error, because there have been NO viable choices in ANY election for the past nine years; IF one understands the way the world is run....      However, IF one  DOES NOT  understand the way the world is run; one's opinions would necessarily be different because his / her 'limited' reasoning would be based upon deception NOT fact.]

All you have to cling to is a sad bunch of conspiracy theories and the scare tactic that the Germans may be coming!

I didn't say "may"....  I said WERE. there IS a clear distinction in the terms. As far as the "proof" you require, I imagine you shall have it when an EU soldier plants his German issue boot firmly in your posterior and urges you to 'get movin' ...   until then you will have to make do with the lessons of history and the statements of every German dictator for the past thousand or so years; that it is Germany's destiny to rule the world. Last time I checked America WAS still part of the world. and is considered by most as being THE only reason Germany didn't fare so well in WWI / WWII.( They WONT make the mistake of not addressing that issue again).

Along with the statements and evidence coming out of Germany and Europe itself; of which I provided links and info on in my various posts on the subject.

Again, YOU will believe as you CHOOSE, according to your ego and willingness to look beyond the tip of your nose....  THAT is YOUR CHOICE.

 You cannot counter the chaos that is our country right now with a larger dose of chaos, you have to try to undo the problems that were created, not drop a whole big bomb of newer more destructive problems.

... So we should IGNORE the wolf pack patrolling outside the barnyard and FOCUS on the house cat sittin on top of the chicken coop EH? 

... Never mind consider the possibility that one is workin in conjunction with the other; to just the ends that you propose... .  .... OOOO couldn't consider THAT; WHY that would lend credence to the conspiracy theory crowd and WE of superior "understanding of the situation couldn't have THAT cause it might take away from our bandwagon.

SPARE ME the POLITICS...

You throw out claims of superiority over other users with nothing to back them up

Again, I have presented the info to back up what I say... WHETHER or NOT you personally CHOOSE to give credit to it is entirely up to you.     

 thinking you won some bigman of the day award.

Award? Hmmm... gee; I WONDER...
do ya think my "reward", as you put it, will be a bullet in the back, a bullet in the forehead, hanging, burning at the stake, or just a good old fashion head choppin...? ...I don't foresee you having any issues with any of those "rewards"... you just kinda ..."GO WITH THE FLOW...."

 

 Your biggest attempt at proving anything you have posted thusfar in this thread is that great line from above:

"I can't help it if I'm Right and you're WRONG"

Not to RESTATE the obvious.... but I REALLY Can't help it IF I am right and YOU ARE wrong....!

If that were the case why doesn't the country run the way you want?

Well... I would suppose that that is where the whole bit about the WHOLE WORLD being deceived comes in... wouldn't ya think...    I mean the term "WHOLE WORLD" Is kinda self explanatory....

 If you are right how come .8% of the country likely tends to agree with you.

.. and THATestimate would be just about right.... which goes back to the "whole world" thing...

  The solution is finding the solutions, not being right all the time, even in the face of being wrong!

A problem can't be resolved by utilizing the very ideologies and methodologies which CREATED it in the first place.. but for some reason you and many others can't seem to grasp that particular concept; perhaps its because you have failed to understand your own history.

Living and learning is usually the BEST teacher; except when one can't see his errors for his mistakes.

NOW, have I properly addressed ALL of your insecurities...?

[SPOOKYTOOTH]

I agree, Duck. 

Sure, he could write like everyone else, but he is incapable of using eloquence or substance.  Lacking any true writing abilities, the red, the caps and the big letters are his ways of trying to stand out and scream at the top of his lungs, “Look at me!!  Please!!  I’m more important than anyone else!!  Pay attention to me!!” 

Being one who gives most people benefit of the doubt, I’ll read a sentence or two sometimes, but there’s never very much there other than the usual nonsense and desperate cries for attention.

Well... I seem to have the undying attention of you folks. One would think that if I am as big a NON-ISSUE as you all CLAIM that you would just go your ways and ignore me and what I post. I mean... if I am so CLEARLY a LUNATIC, any SANE person could grasp that from what I present without assistance from you folks pointing it out.....   I mean; logically speakin n all....  and you folks  do believe in LOGICAL THINKIN don't you...?


Nope... I think I'm a threat to the opinions you folks present here... that I rattle your insecurities and that you just don't like it that I post here.... and that you are willing to go to any lengths to try to get me booted off.

Its still a FREE Country to a point folks; and hey, as long as it is to some point, I WILL speak; whether here or in another venue.   

[lordfly]

Well... I seem to have the undying attention of you folks. One would think that if I am as big a NON-ISSUE as you all CLAIM that you would just go your ways and ignore me and what I post. I mean... if I am so CLEARLY a LUNATIC, any SANE person could grasp that from what I present without assistance from you folks pointing it out.....   I mean; logically speakin n all....  and you folks  do believe in LOGICAL THINKIN don't you...?


Nope... I think I'm a threat to the opinions you folks present here... that I rattle your insecurities and that you just don't like it that I post here.... and that you are willing to go to any lengths to try to get me booted off.

Its still a FREE Country to a point folks; and hey, as long as it is to some point, I WILL speak; whether here or in another venue.   

All I really read whenever i see 'Red Wall of Text' is "fap fap fap i'm the best fap fap end of the world fap fap Obama conspiracy fap fap you're wrong i'm right fap fap".

[tree hugging liberal]

When I see the "red wall" I think of three words. Narcissistic personality disorder

[jbs49238]

Living and learning is usually the BEST teacher; except when one can't see his errors for his mistakes.

NOW, have I properly addressed ALL of your insecurities...?

Why would you spend all that time on a post just to restate your opinion that you are right only because you say so?

I undersatnd history just fine, and I understand that you learn from the mistakes of your past, not just figure out how to make a whole new set of mistakes.

The only way to correct the country is to correct the mistakes we have made, not decide that everything we have done in the last 233 years is wrong and we need to do something different (which like it or not is what you want).  You think that you are so in tune with the history of our country yet you still have no idea about our country.  The beauty of a representative republic is that the citizens still get a say in how the country is molded and shaped.  A representative republic is fluid, it changes as the ideals of the population change. 

Don't like how the country is being run, do something about it, convince the rest of us why we should elect the representation you desire.  If we don't happen to agree with you don't whimper that the system is broke and we are all stupid.  Dare I say, could it be that I cannot help it if I am right and YOU are wrong?!?!

Just becuase you are in the VAST minority or political thought in todays world of cars, sliced bread, eating utensils, and telephones does not mean that those of us who disagree with you are wrong or don't understand history... it means you are in the VAST minority of political thought.

[SPOOKYTOOTH]

Why would you spend all that time on a post just to restate your opinion that you are right only because you say so?

I undersatnd history just fine, and I understand that you learn from the mistakes of your past, not just figure out how to make a whole new set of mistakes.

The only way to correct the country is to correct the mistakes we have made, not decide that everything we have done in the last 233 years is wrong and we need to do something different (which like it or not is what you want).  You think that you are so in tune with the history of our country yet you still have no idea about our country.  The beauty of a representative republic is that the citizens still get a say in how the country is molded and shaped.  A representative republic is fluid, it changes as the ideals of the population change. 

You are talking about a DEMOCRACY which differs from a REPUBLIC. IF you UNDERSTOOD the history of America, as OPPOSED to KNOWING it, you would perhaps not continue in this error as you do.

There is a notable difference between a DEMOCRACY and a REPUBLIC. BOTH are forms of governance; however only ONE is sustainable through generations and history.

In a DEMOCRACY, the CHANGE (which you so highly applaud) is the nature of the beast; and ultimately its undoing (suicide). This is because the fundemental "laws" upon which the government itself is based are, as you state, FLUID and ever changing OPINIONS as opposed to CERTAINTIES ;  therefore there can be no consistency, no uniformity, no FIRM HISTORY, no experience, no LESSONS upon which to base any CURRENT actions, and ultimately, no defense against enemies because there can be no agreement upon what constitutes an enemy or even a threat . ALL is Relative to the current moment, whatever that may be. This ensures that there is no STRENGTH to the government or the nation, thereby further ensuring its ability to be taken over / enslaved / conquered by those who would seek to do so. 

In a REPUBLIC however the government is founded upon firm and unchanging laws that are applied to all evenly and consistently from generation to generation, and which provide a clear, concise, history of experience on which current actions and decisions can be based. In addition enemies and threats are clearly defined permitting adequate actions and defenses be mounted to counter them and their influences. In a REPUBLIC the people hold the power through their Trust in, defense and espousal of, and dedication to these laws; which are based upon the unalienable rights of ALL men, granted by God; who Created all. (I believe this FACT is also stated in the Declaration of the United States...)   

In a DEMOCRACY these laws ARE NOT recognized and are therefore not adhered to.

THIS  sir is where your understanding, judgment, and reasoning is in error.
YOU attempt to force that  which is in OPPOSITION to these unalienable rights into CONFORMITY with them.  IT WILL NOT WORK SIR.

THESE are two OPPOSING philosophies and principles; they can in NO WAY be FORCED into conformity with each other.

THIS sir, is YOUR ERROR, along with the ERROR of all who abide of the same OPINION; that these TWO OPPOSING philosophies / principles can in some way be, OR ALREADY ARE, COMBINED into ONE which will be 'good for all'.

THIS is the ERROR which ensures that ALL workings you perform based upon this flawed understanding will come to naught. THIS sir, IS the (lesson of) HISTORY you CHOOSE to deny.

It IS this denial which cements the ASSURANCE that you WILL repeat the errors of HISTORY as opposed to overcoming them.

It IS this ASSURANCE that BECOMES a PROPHECY against those who REFUSE to OVERCOME it by PROVING and OVERCOMING the fallacy upon which it is based.

   

 


Don't like how the country is being run, do something about it, convince the rest of us

It is NOT up to ME to convince the rest of you of TRUTH. IT IS  up to YOU as being the AMERICAN citizens   you CLAIM to be to EDUCATE yourselves in the TRUTH and STAND UP FOR IT and YOUR RIGHTS based upon IT.

THE VERY attitude you espouse of it being someone else's responsibility TO EDUCATE YOU is WHY America IS at the point it IS.


IF YOU ARE GOING TO claim TO BE AN AMERICAN, AT LEAST HAVE THE B***S and COURAGE to BASE THAT CLAIM on FACT instead of FICTION, and to figure out the DIFFERENCE.   

why we should elect the representation you desire.

... YOUR FOCUS is on me, deriding, bashing, proving me wrong; when your focus should be on proving your own assumptions to be or not to be correct.

YOU want to lead   ? THEN DO IT DANG IT...  prove your ability and worthiness to do so by FIRST verifying the TRUTH / VIABILITY of the philosophy you espouse...[/size]

  If we don't happen to agree with you don't whimper that the system is broke and we are all stupid.  Dare I say, could it be that I cannot help it if I am right and YOU are wrong?!?!

The proof you so adamantly claim to be there is not in history.  IT may be in the "sham" history that began in the early 1800's with the beginning of the coup undertaken by Jackson, Webster and others that culminated in the coronation of Jackson as President some years later; but this "sham" history IS NOT supported by that left by the Founding Fathers.

Just becuase you are in the VAST minority or political thought in todays world of cars, sliced bread, eating utensils, and telephones does not mean that those of us who disagree with you are wrong or don't understand history...

...Unfortunately YES IT DOES.

 it means you are in the VAST minority of political thought.

Again, UNFORTUNATELY YES IT DOES.

Another unfortunate fact is that your EGO will prevent you from PROVING what I say to be in error... thereby re-establishing and re-inforcing the ERROR you deny.

In one of such STRONG will to be wrong there exists little hope for correction of direction. When one flat out REFUSES to investigate the possibility that his or her ASSUMPTIONS are INCORRECT, even in the face of such adamant insistence and suggestion,  there is not much hope; just as there is not much hope for America from a citizenry whose SELF-ASSURANCE that it is correct in its  interpretations of history (fact) is repeatedly re-assured by the very tyrants it proposes to over throw....

For those who can understand this; THIS is the deception of oneself ( the doubblmindedness, the Righteousness of Self ) that Christ stated that EACH individual MUST overcome in order to begin to understand The Truth. UNTIL one confronts and suppresses ( begins to overcome ) this within him or herself; in regard to ALL things, one CANNOT begin to understand The Truth in ANY.   

To those who cannot............................................................................ you future is that which you make it to be via your understandings. Don't whine and b****h when it doesn't come out the way you thought or intended it would. The laws of nature's God work in accordance with SET principles; unchangeable by you, any other man, philosophy, or even God Himself. 

Man has the choice; either work in conjunction WITH them, or work in conjunction AGAINST them; EITHER WAY the  future WILL be what it will be in accordance with those laws.

This IS understanding those who seek the truth MUST come to realize IF they are to realize ANYTHING at all.

.............thanks ADMIN, for allowing me to work this to conclusion..............   

[jbs49238]

I am not supporting that Democracy and Republic forms of governence be combined.  Not hardly.  You are screaming at the top of your lungs that the country is broke.. and you are right.  But what you wish to relegate to is a form of government that is not quite in tune with its original form.  When you see the words "all men are created equal" you take them to the literal meaning of 1776, all MEN (white ones) and no one else are created equal.  There is a very fundamental problem with that line of thought, there is no room for choice in your arena.

The founding documents are a framework.  Not to be reinterpreted not be functionally changed, I submit to you that it is not just those durn liberals that try to shape this country by INTERPRETING the Constitution, the far right makes the very same effort, but only it uses God as its anchor.

There is a reason that God is supposed to kept out of government and its more serious of an issue than nativity scenes in front of the courthouse, or using God's name in the pledge.  God is meant to be kept out of government so that people like you, who don't have a fundamental understanding of what personal freedom actually means, cannot use religous zealotry to push legislation.

A return to 1776 by way of pressing the reset button is certainly not the path to choose.  Learning from the errors that have led us into this mess and backtracking to correct them, all while keeping the positive things we have attained over the last 223 years is the charge to this generation.

You stand on the corner and say: "It's all f-ed up, so now lets do it MY way!"

I stand on the opposite corner and say:  "It's all f-ed up, so now lets do it the right way!"

We most definately still live in a Representative Republic.  If we did not there would just be referendum after referendum from the people that government would be obligated to follow up.

If we lived in a Democracy, there could be a vote tommorow to give every person in the country that does not have it $1M.  I am willing to bet that the measure would pass overwhelmingly.  Which is why its great we live in a Representative Republic, so that the sheer desires of 50% + 1 don't derail the framework of the nation.

I am not going to argue with you that there is a fundamental problem in this country.  There is, but I am not about to take the wreckingball to what we have achieved, just to undo some errors in judgement made along the way.

[SPOOKYTOOTH]

I am not supporting that Democracy and Republic forms of governence be combined.  Not hardly.  You are screaming at the top of your lungs that the country is broke.. and you are right.  But what you wish to relegate to is a form of government that is not quite in tune with its original form.  When you see the words "all men are created equal" you take them to the literal meaning of 1776, all MEN (white ones) and no one else are created equal.

YOU REALLY NEED TO POST MY WORDS TO THAT EFFECT.

YOU NEED TO BACK THAT  UP WITH PROOF, DO SO.

I suppose THIS is the reason why CERTAIN people like the internet so much... it presents a platform from which they can launch attacks upon others without any necessity of basing their words in FACT.

BACK UP YOUR ACCUSATIONS.
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 There is a very fundamental problem with that line of thought, there is no room for choice in your arena.

The founding documents are a framework.  Not to be reinterpreted not be functionally changed, I submit to you that it is not just those durn liberals that try to shape this country by INTERPRETING the Constitution, the far right makes the very same effort, but only it uses God as its anchor.

...YET YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PRESENT PROOF  of these claims...

There is a reason that God is supposed to kept out of government and its more serious of an issue than nativity scenes in front of the courthouse, or using God's name in the pledge.  God is meant to be kept out of government so that people like you, who don't have a fundamental understanding of what personal freedom actually means,

I DO BELIEVE it was people LIKE YOU whom the FOUNDING FATHERS and early AMERICANS FOUGHT AGAINST....   WAS IT NOT? CAREFUL jbs... your COLORS are SHOWIN....

 cannot use religous zealotry to push legislation.

A return to 1776 by way of pressing the reset button is certainly not the path to choose.  Learning from the errors that have led us into this mess and backtracking to correct them, all while keeping the positive things we have attained over the last 223 years is the charge to this generation.

You stand on the corner and say: "It's all f-ed up, so now lets do it MY way!"

I stand on the opposite corner and say:  "It's all f-ed up, so now lets do it the right way!"

We most definately still live in a Representative Republic.  If we did not there would just be referendum after referendum from the people that government would be obligated to follow up.

If we lived in a Democracy, there could be a vote tommorow to give every person in the country that does not have it $1M.  I am willing to bet that the measure would pass overwhelmingly.  Which is why its great we live in a Representative Republic, so that the sheer desires of 50% + 1 don't derail the framework of the nation.

I am not going to argue with you that there is a fundamental problem in this country.  There is, but I am not about to take the wreckingball to what we have achieved, just to undo some errors in judgement made along the way.

Nor are you going to do as I suggested and BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS WITH FACTS...  because the "facts"   you would require do not exist; unless you fabricate them.  WHY do you NOT have the B***S to present yourself for what you ARE? A  COMMUNIST (DEMOCRAT).

[jbs49238]

I did not post an litany of facts spooky.

I did in fact post a litany of opinion.

Because you disagree with my opinion, does not make yours fact or truth, or whatever you want to call what you believe in order to sleep at night.

You want to call me a communist or a democrat, fine, you have completly proven what I said when I said people have the right to be wrong!

[jbs49238]

  WHY do you NOT have the B***S to present yourself for what you ARE? A  COMMUNIST (DEMOCRAT).[/b][/i][/u]

I almost spit my soda out when I read that line, thanks for the laugh to top off all the chuckles you have given me.

spooky,

18th century Europe called, they would like their wigs back.

[Pax]

When you see the words "all men are created equal" you take them to the literal meaning of 1776, all MEN (white ones) and no one else are created equal.  There is a very fundamental problem with that line of thought

If anyone sees the words "All men are created equal" on that particular document and thinks of colors other than white they'd be highly erroneous.  It's not a personal opinion in 2009: it's what the signers of it said, and it's what they meant.  I personally fail to see how something so fundamental could possibly be referred to as "problematic."  Is denying reality a "positive thing we have attained in the last 223 years?"  My goodness the psychoanalysts must be doing a booming business these days.

[SPOOKYTOOTH]

I did not post an litany of facts spooky.

I did in fact post a litany of opinion.

Because you disagree with my opinion, does not make yours fact or truth, or whatever you want to call what you believe in order to sleep at night.

You want to call me a communist or a democrat, fine, you have completly proven what I said when I said people have the right to be wrong!

... I don't think so. I think what has been proven is that you are unable to back up your claims with facts. Instead you CHOOSE to base your trust, life, and future in the uncertainties of OPINIONS which have NO basis in TRUTH. 

As for calling you a Communist....  you are what you are, a Communist; 
which is no more than a glorified DEMOCRAT.

...The 'right'  to be wrong....   One can "think" that he or she knows something; but when its the TRUTH that counts its not what one thinks he knows, its what he knows he knows and can PROVE that counts.

Despite what you say, your own inability and unwillingness to back up  your claims stands as evidence to this very fact.

You can believe what you want, each person has free will to do so; but no one has the RIGHT to claim it as fact unless he or she is willing and able to PROVE it so.; no one has the right to be wrong.       

[SPOOKYTOOTH]

I almost spit my soda out when I read that line, thanks for the laugh to top off all the chuckles you have given me.

spooky,

18th century Europe called, they would like their wigs back.

K... I'll re-phrase it for you... why do you lack the courage to present yourself for what you clearly are...? Why do you choose to hide behind a supposition rolled up into a lie...?

[the nosh]

jbs...its pop...pop...not soda!!

[jbs49238]

Its not pop to everyone!  LOL, besides soda just rools of the keyboard a bit better.

Happy Thanksgiving!