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[PXaiver]

I have nothing nice to say.

[BigRedDog]

I have nothing nice to say.

It would probably be a better world if more of us would learn to say "nothing" in certain circumstances

[Baby Hitler]

I have nothing nice to say.

I do, it looks like it's going to be another beautiful day out today.

Oh, you mean about the topic, well I still do.

I pray that the family of this man never see the vile words of a very select few, and instead see the words of condolences and peace.

[jbs49238]

Pax...

I have to say that was in poor taste. 

Migrant workers play an important role in the local economy especially during manually harvested crops like produce and fruits.  Most of the migrants I come in contact with are transient laborers with proper ID....  and they contribute to the local economy as well.  A large majority of them return every year and some even settle in the area.  The east side of Adrian is a good example.

Farm retention ponds are common in this area and that could have easily been one of the owners relatives.

But they are not white SC, and they may even be multi lingual.  Obviously the spawn of satan and anything bad that could possibly happen to them should.

(This is of course sarcasm pointing out the obvious racial bias in another of a long line of Pax's racist rantings)

Of course if fellas who were fully capable of doing the farm work that these workers fulfill.....  ah thats another thread.  Anyone wanna talk about MI unemployment?  I for one am personally just joyfull that the local farmers have to scour the Nation (and maybe even another Country) to find workers to pull the crops in a state with 14%+ on the unemployment payroll.

[livewire]

I have no problem with migrant workers, provided they are here legally.  It's a shame what happened to this man.

I agree with everything Sidecar said, as well.  Migrant workers work HARD!  In my younger days, I worked a lot of hours in tomato and melon fields, planting, weeding, hoeing, and picking.  It is just as hard, if not harder, than roofing (which I have also done more than my share of).  It's HOT, hard, backbreaking work, and I respect anyone that is willing to do it, in order to try to make a living.  In my opinion, if you've never DONE it, you don't have the right to put down those that do, because you have no frickin clue what it's like.

Beats the hell out of some lazy American citizen, unwilling to work, expecting a handout from taxpayers, while he sits back and drinks his PBR, watching game shows on TV.

Wouldn't you agree, Pax?

[family man]

I have the feeling Pax wouldn't know a "hard working day" if it came up and bit him on his backside.

[Baby Hitler]

I have no problem with migrant workers, provided they are here legally.  It's a shame what happened to this man.

I agree with everything Sidecar said, as well.  Migrant workers work HARD!  In my younger days, I worked a lot of hours in tomato and melon fields, planting, weeding, hoeing, and picking.  It is just as hard, if not harder, than roofing (which I have also done more than my share of).  It's HOT, hard, backbreaking work, and I respect anyone that is willing to do it, in order to try to make a living.  In my opinion, if you've never DONE it, you don't have the right to put down those that do, because you have no frickin clue what it's like.

Beats the hell out of some lazy American citizen, unwilling to work, expecting a handout from taxpayers, while he sits back and drinks his PBR, watching game shows on TV.

Wouldn't you agree, Pax?

Well, I didn't pick vegetables or fruit, but I helped bale hay every summer on the neighbor's farm for quite a few years, and after a long, hot, and itchy day of work, the only "pay" I received was a home cooked meal and the gratitude of the neighbors.

Well that and some beefalo steaks every once in a while, whenever they took a Beefalo to have it processed. (It was 3/4 hereford and 1/4 buffalo, much more lean than regular beef).

Anyhow, knowing what those days were like, gives me a pretty good idea of the work that these guys do, and believe me it ain't easy.

[choff4]

Thanks everyone who showed respect in this thread. I didn't know the man, but my heart goes out for those who did and and shame on those who don't give a damn.

[SidecarFlip]

But they are not white SC, and they may even be multi lingual.  Obviously the spawn of satan and anything bad that could possibly happen to them should.

(This is of course sarcasm pointing out the obvious racial bias in another of a long line of Pax's racist rantings)

Of course if fellas who were fully capable of doing the farm work that these workers fulfill.....  ah thats another thread.  Anyone wanna talk about MI unemployment?  I for one am personally just joyfull that the local farmers have to scour the Nation (and maybe even another Country) to find workers to pull the crops in a state with 14%+ on the unemployment payroll.

I strongly suspect that maybe a couple posters on this site could cut a few days in the field picking melons or cabbage or working in a mechanical tomato picker.  I know I can't, besides, I drive the tractor anyway...   Anyway, it's not effecting the unemployment rolls at all because those on unemployment would never do that work in the first place..... you included.

if you want to go on a quick weight reduction plan (this applies to anyone on here, not just you) let me know.  I have plenty of bale work to be done.  It's hot, ruins your arms from the hay chafe, makes you sweat like a pig and you actually get paid something instead of going to a 'health club' and paying someone to let you workout.  55-60 pound bales of hay will work you out...real good, real fast.

For the most part, people don't have any idea what a day's work is anymore.  The migrants do.  That's why they are out there and not you or anyone else on here (with the exception of Live...he knows).

[Aguilera]

Illegal or legal.......whatever.  I find it horrendous that anyone would find joy and satisfaction in the death of another human being.

Posts like this are what made me pretty much made me stop coming onto this site.  You can walk around and experience hate and ignorance.....I just choose to not allow it into my home. 

Shame on you.

[sammy]

I strongly suspect that maybe a couple posters on this site could cut a few days in the field picking melons or cabbage or working in a mechanical tomato picker.  I know I can't, besides, I drive the tractor anyway...   Anyway, it's not effecting the unemployment rolls at all because those on unemployment would never do that work in the first place..... you included.

if you want to go on a quick weight reduction plan (this applies to anyone on here, not just you) let me know.  I have plenty of bale work to be done.  It's hot, ruins your arms from the hay chafe, makes you sweat like a pig and you actually get paid something instead of going to a 'health club' and paying someone to let you workout.  55-60 pound bales of hay will work you out...real good, real fast.

For the most part, people don't have any idea what a day's work is anymore.  The migrants do.  That's why they are out there and not you or anyone else on here (with the exception of Live...he knows).

No, thanks, Flip. Spent many years behind the baler and in the mow. Though I could use the weight-loss part,I don't think I could cut the lifting part anymore. Twenty-some years ago, I worked on a produce farm in the county. My job was mostly stacking crates and driving truck, but spent a few days picking watermelons, and one day cutting cabbage. I say thank goodness for people who are willing and able to do the stoop labor that keeps us fed!

[Baby Hitler]

if you want to go on a quick weight reduction plan (this applies to anyone on here, not just you) let me know.  I have plenty of bale work to be done.  It's hot, ruins your arms from the hay chafe, makes you sweat like a pig and you actually get paid something instead of going to a 'health club' and paying someone to let you workout.  55-60 pound bales of hay will work you out...real good, real fast.

I'd do it if I thought my heart could take that much brutal punishment, and just PRAY that the hay is dry enough, or those bales get much MUCH heavier.

[BigRedDog]

I strongly suspect that maybe a couple posters on this site could cut a few days in the field picking melons or cabbage or working in a mechanical tomato picker.  I know I can't, besides, I drive the tractor anyway...   Anyway, it's not effecting the unemployment rolls at all because those on unemployment would never do that work in the first place..... you included.

if you want to go on a quick weight reduction plan (this applies to anyone on here, not just you) let me know.  I have plenty of bale work to be done.  It's hot, ruins your arms from the hay chafe, makes you sweat like a pig and you actually get paid something instead of going to a 'health club' and paying someone to let you workout.  55-60 pound bales of hay will work you out...real good, real fast.

For the most part, people don't have any idea what a day's work is anymore.  The migrants do.  That's why they are out there and not you or anyone else on here (with the exception of Live...he knows).

I'm still in fairly good shape (for an old guy)...

I think I could still put in a day on a hay wagon...

not sure I could get up in the morning for the 2nd day though

I grew up on a farm with 50-60 head of polled hereford...   grew all our own feed...   we didn't have round bales and we handled all the square ones by hand.  Even after I got married we used to go help my dad during hay season.

Where we grew up the big job for the migrants was working in the "pickle" fields...   

pickles are "all work" too.

[ducksoup]

When I was a teen, and then still part time when in early 20's I worked at a farm.  It was backbreaking hard work.  I busted my behind and the LEGAL migrant workers always outdid me, by a lot.  Only once was a worker questionable.  And he was a 40 something white guy that seemed on the run or something.  He was legal to work tough. 

[jbs49238]

I strongly suspect that maybe a couple posters on this site could cut a few days in the field picking melons or cabbage or working in a mechanical tomato picker.  I know I can't, besides, I drive the tractor anyway...   Anyway, it's not effecting the unemployment rolls at all because those on unemployment would never do that work in the first place..... you included.

if you want to go on a quick weight reduction plan (this applies to anyone on here, not just you) let me know.  I have plenty of bale work to be done.  It's hot, ruins your arms from the hay chafe, makes you sweat like a pig and you actually get paid something instead of going to a 'health club' and paying someone to let you workout.  55-60 pound bales of hay will work you out...real good, real fast.

For the most part, people don't have any idea what a day's work is anymore.  The migrants do.  That's why they are out there and not you or anyone else on here (with the exception of Live...he knows).

I agree with you, yet you still seem to be attempting to pick a fight.  Why?

Being in my mid 30's I have had my share of jobs since I was 13, likely so have the rest of us.  I can think of many that were an honest days work for an honest pay, so can most of the rest of us I am sure.  Just because we didn't do it on a farm, does not discount the effort of the labor, a fact that I bet live would agree with as well.  For the record I did spend a few days on the wagon one summer just to prove to a farmer friend of mine that I could. 

As for a day in the fields, I might be able to do one, but like BRD said, I may not make the bell for the second round.  My body just isn't used to that type of work, but I think anybody that has the physical capability could adapt into that kind of work.  4 hours a day for a week, 6 hours the next, and so on.  The ability of the human body to adapt is simply overpowered by the laziness of the brains of the unwilling.  Were it between starving and working the fields... I'd find the fields.