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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 09:10:08 PM »

Market response to the Fed?

Yes, I agree.

Not to mention this is just the first of potentially 3 attempts at QE to come!

Man I would FREAKING LOVE to go to Vegas and be FREE to bet all I wanted knowing I could just print the F out of money to cover the bets and put the results of my losses on someone elses balance sheet to PAY the losses.

YEEEE HAAAA!!!!

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When you use the letter "F" I assume "you" are referring to the
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 09:16:09 PM »

Market response to the Fed?

Yes, I agree.

Not to mention this is just the first of potentially 3 attempts at QE to come!

Man I would FREAKING LOVE to go to Vegas and be FREE to bet all I wanted knowing I could just print the F out of money to cover the bets and put the results of my losses on someone elses balance sheet to PAY the losses.

YEEEE HAAAA!!!!
You can do that and I will pay for your losses, but you have to buy my insurance policy where your premium is equal to the amount of your gambling losses+$1+any overhead costs assumed with processing this transaction.
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 09:57:48 PM »

40% of our last two yearly budgets are either borrowed or printed. What is the answer? Libs snarl at Conservatives, OK
what do you want to cut, hoping they'll mention something so
they can hammer them for being heartless. Conservatives have been reluctant to be specific. But the fact remains we have to seriously cut spending. Like to hear from both sides. It has to be done and we better all get on the same page soon or we're all going down.
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2010, 08:18:24 AM »

Yup, something has to give with the deficit at some point in our lives.  I've always maintained that the first place to start would be to address the frauds that are so often reported.  Gotta clean that up to get a true picture of just how bad the deficit is, and plan/react from there.  My opinion.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2010, 12:36:27 PM »

Gas prices up 20 plus cents in the last fews days. My take it is directly due to FED monetizing the debt. Other commodities also rising. Corn, rice etc. Food prices? Might we see some pols start bashing speculators and oil companies for gouging?

Funny how that all started in connection with the election ain't it...?  OOPS.... there I go with those conspiracy theories again.... :o

...hey I know... we need to get GOV'T INVOLVED in regulating and ensuring chaos doesn't reign supreme in the FOOD, FUEL, and NECESSITIES areas of consumer supply and demand....to protect us from US!

WHAT WAS THAT DATE NOW...... you know... the one that RECURS every so often.... ? ..... sometime in early Dec. 2010. I was just readin up on that again the other day...has to do with that demonocracy (or is that 'Cryptocracy' ?) theory mumbo jumbo only supposed whack nuts such as myself put any water in.


...by the way.... it STILL hasn't rained much John....  kinda poignant being as we are surrounded by water  don't you think; ... or perhaps not  ...  ;)  ( maybe it has something to do with that '...power of your pride' thing...).

We'll see I suppose...   by the way; " power of pride" can refer to various things ... for instance: economy, children, governmental philosophy, heritage, military strength, education, technology, ....agriculture production,  ALL the things which make a people (nation) PRIDEFUL / BOASTFUL ..... 

I've NEVER heard a nation BOAST of knowing and following the truth that did not incur upon itself the rewards of NOT first doing so within its own house...



   ... perhaps the Indonesians will come to our rescue, or better yet... maybe we can bring the INDONESIANS over HERE!

Didn't CHINA tell us not to print anymore useless money...? Oh that's right, WE support their economy.....  I forgot bout that.

Hmm... Shaggy said I was desperate for friends, wonder how he rates America's seeking out friends among the world's second, third, and fourth rate nations AFTER we have put the brakes on the friendships we have had with our allies for the past century or so?
     
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2010, 02:55:44 PM »

40% of our last two yearly budgets are either borrowed or printed. What is the answer? Libs snarl at Conservatives, OK
what do you want to cut, hoping they'll mention something so
they can hammer them for being heartless. Conservatives have been reluctant to be specific. But the fact remains we have to seriously cut spending. Like to hear from both sides. It has to be done and we better all get on the same page soon or we're all going down.
Like this one?

$25 Billion in Cuts, if the Math Worked
Note to the incoming Republican majority in the House: Eliminating government programs that do not exist does not save money.

Of the few specific cuts that Congressional Republicans have proposed in their promised assault on annual budget deficits, one of the biggest by far would save $25 billion over 10 years, they claim, by ending an emergency welfare fund.

Well, seriously, the fund expired Sept. 30.

House Republicans have calculated the fund’s annual cost, $2.5 billion, and multiplied by 10 years, which is the common period for projecting budget costs and savings. The product: savings of $25 billion.

The actual math is simpler: 10 x 0 = 0.

On Wednesday, Representative Jim McDermott, a Democrat from Washington State who sponsored the fund proposal, issued his own statement: “What’s next? Claiming savings for cutting New Deal work programs that were terminated over 70 years ago?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/us/politics/p10spending.html?_r=2&ref=politics
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2010, 07:13:30 PM »

Like this one?

$25 Billion in Cuts, if the Math Worked
Note to the incoming Republican majority in the House: Eliminating government programs that do not exist does not save money.

Of the few specific cuts that Congressional Republicans have proposed in their promised assault on annual budget deficits, one of the biggest by far would save $25 billion over 10 years, they claim, by ending an emergency welfare fund.

Well, seriously, the fund expired Sept. 30.

House Republicans have calculated the fund’s annual cost, $2.5 billion, and multiplied by 10 years, which is the common period for projecting budget costs and savings. The product: savings of $25 billion.

The actual math is simpler: 10 x 0 = 0.

On Wednesday, Representative Jim McDermott, a Democrat from Washington State who sponsored the fund proposal, issued his own statement: “What’s next? Claiming savings for cutting New Deal work programs that were terminated over 70 years ago?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/us/politics/p10spending.html?_r=2&ref=politics

Well Duck you aren't going to get a big argument from me. I see where the R's are talking about reducing next years budget
deficit by $ 100 billion. Big woop.
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Re: PRINT!!!!
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2010, 12:50:24 PM »

40% of our last two yearly budgets are either borrowed or printed. What is the answer? Libs snarl at Conservatives, OK
what do you want to cut, hoping they'll mention something so
they can hammer them for being heartless. Conservatives have been reluctant to be specific. But the fact remains we have to seriously cut spending. Like to hear from both sides. It has to be done and we better all get on the same page soon or we're all going down.
Reform and Cut?  ....

Make the Laws of TRUTH the LAW of the LAND... THOSE WHO DO NOT WISH TO BE GOVERNED BY NOR SUBMIT TO TRUTH WOULD BE FREE TO LEAVE for a designated period of time; those who chose not to do so would come under the jurisdiction of truth; like it or not.


 THEN start by blocking access to Soc Sec by Congress, the Pres., anyone except those paying in and those getting out.

Lets stop FEDERAL funding of  ALL schools that put athletics, and any other programs ahead of History, Math, English, Science, Economics, and Government. Lets stop funding of ALL earmarks and pet projects and concentrate on upgrading our infrastructure; and deny contracts to ALL employers who do not have 100% CERTIFIED AMERICAN CITIZENS working for them...that are NON-UNION. Lets STOP farm subsidies and PAY our farmers to FARM and PLANT RESPONSIBLY, and make AMERICAN PRODUCE cheap enough that EVERYONE can fill their cart for  say $50, SAVING the EXCESS for lean times and GIVING an equal measure to the poor.

Lets STOP paying girls and those on welfare to BREED. If you are on welfare make it so because the person IS not able to work because of circumstances beyond their control...NOT because they can't find a job that pays them what their last one did, or because they need a fix to get through the day; or they decided to let the TAXPAYERS PAY for raising their kids so they can have THEIR career AND kids too. END the FREE FOOD , etc., give aways to everyone except those who are viably UNABLE to work, and SUPPORT those who ARE able to do so to a degree so they realize a sense of SELF WORTH  and GENUINE NEED and APPRECIATION for their BEING ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE to society, even if it is on a limited basis; MAKE THEM VIABLE as opposed to GIVING them a HANDOUT and PREVENTING  them at every turn.

STOP MURDERING  our FUTURE generations. STOP MURDERING those on whom OUR future rests. STOP MURDERING those who would provide for US and OUR people in our
future.             

STOP FUNDING OUR ENEMIES. STOP EDUCATING THOSE WHO HATE US. STOP FREE HEALTHCARE FOR THOSE WHO SEEK TO OVERRUN US and THOSE WHO REFUSE TO NOT BECOME AMERICANS and align themselves to America.

GIVE CITIZENSHIP TO THOSE WHO HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES WORTHY OF IT AND WHO SEEK IT... BANISH THOSE WHO DO NOT.

STOP funding school lunches, PERIOD. HEALTHY lunches in schools can be provided through the AGRICULTURAL PROGRAM, free of charge ( funding to come from the across the board 10% income tax on EVERYONE, NO LOOP HOLES, NO EXCEPTIONS. PENALTY for refusal to pay YOUR FAIR SHARE  ... DEATH).

END ALL kickbacks, corruption, bribery, skimming, etc. Make the penalty for doing so and condoning so to be done DEATH, sentence to be carried out immediately upon conviction.     

END ALL  FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR COMMITTING CAPITAL
CRIMES. Mandatory sentence: DEATH. For misdemeanor crimes; sentences to be served on work crews; crews to work on public projects FREE OF CHARGE to public. Penalty for escape or refusal to work...DEATH....ON THE SPOT.

END SUPPORT for those who ESPOUSE, profit from, AND peddle IMMORALITY and ADVERSARIAL VIOLENCE. Make it illegal, penalties dependent on transgression and its nature.           


FUND: MILITARY TRAINING FOR EVERY CITIZEN and make firearm ownership MANDITORY. FUND: MILITARY spending to the point that the US military is superior to ALL others both in technology AND NON-TECHNOLOGICAL warfare. SUPPORT wars of aggression upon those who seek the destruction of America; BUT,  instead of arresting those enemies, DESTROY them to every last living soul...SO THAT NONE DARE SEEK TO DESTROY AMERICA OR AMERICANS....EVER. Turn their lands over to those who desire peace and seek to BETTER the world instead of DESTROYING it, (impoverished peoples and nations for example), and HELP them MAKE that land VIABLE.     

REDUCE standing military, but ensure that a superior and viable force is maintained (through technology and "in the field" personnel)  at all times, with reinforcements available on a call up basis.

RE-ESTABLISH the FAMILY as the nation's PRIMARY strategic investment... in ALL respects.

BANISH ALL who yet oppose the reforms... to sub Saharan Africa or some such place with enough food and water for a month; execute those who choose to do so violently either personally or by advocating others to do so violently.     

   (how am I doin so far John...? REPULSE you or any other conservative "REPUBLICANS" yet ) ?

As for the  the LIBS... the HOWLING  is already reaching a crescendo and I haven't even posted it yet...


Wanna fix that which is broken? At this point repair can only take place on a personal, citizenry, and national scale ALL AT ONCE, or virtually so.

Other than that, starting over anew from where it was originally LEFT OFF from is the only viable option....

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Re: PRINT!!!!
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2010, 01:15:37 PM »

THEN start by blocking access to Soc Sec by Congress, the Pres., anyone except those paying in and those getting out.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/pensions.asp

Politicians have had to pay into the system since 1984.

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Lets stop FEDERAL funding of  ALL schools that put athletics, and any other programs ahead of History, Math, English, Science, Economics, and Government.
Not sure of any schools that do that, most I've heard of is when there is no funding, extra curricular activities are the first to be cut, and have sometimes been reinstated only due to the efforts of booster clubs and private donations.

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Lets stop funding of ALL earmarks and pet projects and concentrate on upgrading our infrastructure; and deny contracts to ALL employers who do not have 100% CERTIFIED AMERICAN CITIZENS working for them
Agreed.
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...that are NON-UNION.
Unfair, should be open to the best competing bid.

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Lets STOP farm subsidies and PAY our farmers to FARM and PLANT RESPONSIBLY, and make AMERICAN PRODUCE cheap enough that EVERYONE can fill their cart for  say $50, SAVING the EXCESS for lean times and GIVING an equal measure to the poor.

While I am against helping the corporate farmers as the individual farmer usually doesn't receive any subsides, (ask Livewire), and most already farm and plant responsibly.

How do you make American Produce cheap enough that everyone can fill their cart for $50? Force farmers to sell their produce for $0.10 on the dollar?

Saving the excess for lean times? How long do you think soybeans and corn last? Giving food to the poor is already done through food stamps.

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Lets STOP paying girls and those on welfare to BREED. If you are on welfare make it so because the person IS not able to work because of circumstances beyond their control...NOT because they can't find a job that pays them what their last one did, or because they need a fix to get through the day; or they decided to let the TAXPAYERS PAY for raising their kids so they can have THEIR career AND kids too. END the FREE FOOD , etc., give aways to everyone except those who are viably UNABLE to work, and SUPPORT those who ARE able to do so to a degree so they realize a sense of SELF WORTH  and GENUINE NEED and APPRECIATION for their BEING ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE to society, even if it is on a limited basis; MAKE THEM VIABLE as opposed to GIVING them a HANDOUT and PREVENTING  them at every turn.
So what do you do with those children that these girls have already had? Take them away and put them in foster homes and kick the girls out into the street?

What about those people who are unable to find work? Yes there are many jobs out there, but many of these require certain education levels and degrees.
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STOP MURDERING  our FUTURE generations. STOP MURDERING those on whom OUR future rests. STOP MURDERING those who would provide for US and OUR people in our
future.             

STOP FUNDING OUR ENEMIES. STOP EDUCATING THOSE WHO HATE US. STOP FREE HEALTHCARE FOR THOSE WHO SEEK TO OVERRUN US and THOSE WHO REFUSE TO NOT BECOME AMERICANS and align themselves to America.

GIVE CITIZENSHIP TO THOSE WHO HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES WORTHY OF IT AND WHO SEEK IT... BANISH THOSE WHO DO NOT.

STOP funding school lunches, PERIOD. HEALTHY lunches in schools can be provided through the AGRICULTURAL PROGRAM, free of charge ( funding to come from the across the board 10% income tax on EVERYONE, NO LOOP HOLES, NO EXCEPTIONS. PENALTY for refusal to pay YOUR FAIR SHARE  ... DEATH).

END ALL kickbacks, corruption, bribery, skimming, etc. Make the penalty for doing so and condoning so to be done DEATH, sentence to be carried out immediately upon conviction.     

END ALL  FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR COMMITTING CAPITAL
CRIMES. Mandatory sentence: DEATH. For misdemeanor crimes; sentences to be served on work crews; crews to work on public projects FREE OF CHARGE to public. Penalty for escape or refusal to work...DEATH....ON THE SPOT.

END SUPPORT for those who ESPOUSE, profit from, AND peddle IMMORALITY and ADVERSARIAL VIOLENCE. Make it illegal, penalties dependent on transgression and its nature.           


FUND: MILITARY TRAINING FOR EVERY CITIZEN and make firearm ownership MANDITORY. FUND: MILITARY spending to the point that the US military is superior to ALL others both in technology AND NON-TECHNOLOGICAL warfare. SUPPORT wars of aggression upon those who seek the destruction of America; BUT,  instead of arresting those enemies, DESTROY them to every last living soul...SO THAT NONE DARE SEEK TO DESTROY AMERICA OR AMERICANS....EVER. Turn their lands over to those who desire peace and seek to BETTER the world instead of DESTROYING it, (impoverished peoples and nations for example), and HELP them MAKE that land VIABLE.     

REDUCE standing military, but ensure that a superior and viable force is maintained (through technology and "in the field" personnel)  at all times, with reinforcements available on a call up basis.

RE-ESTABLISH the FAMILY as the nation's PRIMARY strategic investment... in ALL respects.

BANISH ALL who yet oppose the reforms... to sub Saharan Africa or some such place with enough food and water for a month; execute those who choose to do so violently either personally or by advocating others to do so violently.     

   (how am I doin so far John...? REPULSE you or any other conservative "REPUBLICANS" yet ) ?

As for the  the LIBS... the HOWLING  is already reaching a crescendo and I haven't even posted it yet...


Wanna fix that which is broken? At this point repair can only take place on a personal, citizenry, and national scale ALL AT ONCE, or virtually so.

Other than that, starting over anew from where it was originally LEFT OFF from is the only viable option....

                                                ;)   
 

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After I got up to the "DEATH" to everyone part, I pretty much gave up trying to ask rational questions.

But hey, I gave it a shot.
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2010, 01:59:56 PM »

http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/pensions.asp

Politicians have had to pay into the system since 1984.
Not sure of any schools that do that, most I've heard of is when there is no funding, extra curricular activities are the first to be cut, and have sometimes been reinstated only due to the efforts of booster clubs and private donations.
Agreed. Unfair, should be open to the best competing bid.

While I am against helping the corporate farmers as the individual farmer usually doesn't receive any subsides, (ask Livewire), and most already farm and plant responsibly.

How do you make American Produce cheap enough that everyone can fill their cart for $50? Force farmers to sell their produce for $0.10 on the dollar?

Saving the excess for lean times? How long do you think soybeans and corn last? Giving food to the poor is already done through food stamps.
So what do you do with those children that these girls have already had? Take them away and put them in foster homes and kick the girls out into the street?

What about those people who are unable to find work? Yes there are many jobs out there, but many of these require certain education levels and degrees. After I got up to the "DEATH" to everyone part, I pretty much gave up trying to ask rational questions.

But hey, I gave it a shot.

Know whats so predictable about ignernce? Its it's own worst enemy, and its own best reward.
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2010, 02:41:03 PM »

Know whats so predictable about ignernce? Its it's own worst enemy, and its own best reward.
Would you care to comment on any of the points I did make, or are you just going to ignore those?

Sorry, I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, while I do agree that sometimes that it may be deserved, I don't agree with your examples, and that's why I stopped where I did.
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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2010, 02:54:50 PM »

Fluffy, I am not so in favor of the death penalty either.  Not because I think it is wrong, but rather that it costs a hundred times more than just locking someone up for life with no chance of ever getting out.  I tend to also think it is a harsher punishment to sit and know you will never ever get out.

His description sounds just like Sharia law doesn't it?
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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2010, 03:09:45 PM »

Know whats so predictable about ignernce? Its it's own worst enemy, and its own best reward.
I'm so happy that you enjoy your just desserts.
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2010, 03:51:12 AM »

Would you care to comment on any of the points I did make, or are you just going to ignore those?

Sorry, I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, while I do agree that sometimes that it may be deserved, I don't agree with your examples, and that's why I stopped where I did.

What exactly would be the point? I see issues in a very straight forward, practical, black n white, blunt manner. YOU prefer to entertain the philosophy that evil can co-exist with good and create a warm fuzzy gray area where all can co-exist in peace, security, and mutual respect.

I have no desire to support nor co-exist with  murderers, rapists, thieves, corrupt politicians, etc., etc., or those who take mine and my neighbor's security as lightly as they take theirs, nor do I have any compassion for those who support and advocate forcing that co-existence on those who are honest and justly seeking an honorable life of peace and prosperity.

Everyone wants to have UTOPIAH but on their terms only, they don't want the criminal element, corruption, and immorality in their neighbor hood, yet they are more than willing to force it upon their neighbors.
Everyone wants heaven, but they are not willing to eliminate evil from amongst them to achieve it. Everyone wants freedom but no one wants to sacrifice ANY of THEIR liberty to achieve it, never considering that liberty is lawlessness, and only perfect liberty can support perfect freedom...

Its always everyone else's fault that the world is the way it is, yet no one is willing to admit that their way is in error.... so man repeats his evil over, n over,n over... all the time focusing on the EVIL OF OTHERS, never considering their own....

Man is his own worst enemy, and the source of his own downfall.

Man considers truth arbitrary, and fiction solid.

   
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2010, 03:16:20 PM »

Everyone wants freedom but no one wants to sacrifice ANY of THEIR liberty to achieve it, never considering that liberty is lawlessness
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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