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[LetsGoWings]

When the Supreme Court rules against Obamacare, either just striking down the mandate, or going further, the stock market will surge on the news. I don't think it will last because so much other negative stuff is going on, but for a little while the good news that Obamacare isn't a done deal will perk up the mood of the country.

Actually the stock market has already assumed the law will be struck down, so it won't have a huge affect on it. If I were a strong betting person I would think about shorting some of the healthcare stocks and making money on the potential decline in stock value after the ruling. My assumption would be based on the individual mandate being stuck down, but the rest of the law remaining.

[lordfly]

Listen Lordfly. If you are going to quote my post in your post then at least
address the issues in my post. It is insulting to have my post associated
with this crap you spew. 

I'd care, but this is in the Politics forum, and in 4 years you have yet to find the question mark key.

[SMASH]

Yes, letting insurance providers do whatever they want and ensuring plenty of people won't be able to afford insurance because they're already sick will definitely make the world a better place.

After all, if they were good people, they wouldn't be sick. They should just work it off, like Real Americans.

When will the American People wake up and figure out there are only three reasons why insurance rates increase?

1) The government's monetary and fiscal policies.
2) The government is already way to involved in Health Care, AND it is not enumerated as one of their duties in the Constitution.
3) We let them! If we truly had a free market the natural pressures from that market would drive the prices down.
Every single thing the government is involved in renders two things and two things only.
Higher prices and less service.
That is a fact that can not be denied, period.

Simply look to Michigan and the MCCA!

[marilyn.monroe]

When will the American People wake up and figure out there are only three reasons why insurance rates increase?

1) The government's monetary and fiscal policies.
2) The government is already way to involved in Health Care, AND it is not enumerated as one of their duties in the Constitution.
3) We let them! If we truly had a free market the natural pressures from that market would drive the prices down.
Every single thing the government is involved in renders two things and two things only.
Higher prices and less service.
That is a fact that can not be denied, period.

Simply look to Michigan and the MCCA!

Insurance companies aren't in it to provide health care, they are an investment vehicle for the elites.

[John Kopke]

Clearly, BHO is a menace to free market capitalism. He denies it in his speeches,
but his actions belie his words. He believes he can weave magic with his speeches, casting  a spell on the American people. I would say that ship has sailed for a whole
bunch of folks, but Obama isn’t looking to fool all the folks, just enough of the folks.

Here is what I mean. His campaign boils down to:

* He has the African American wrapped up 90++ percent.

* Looking real good with Hispanics. Pander after pander.

* Working government folks. They know where their bread is buttered.

* Private sector union workers. They’re Dems, but they are wary. This
   is the segment he needs to fool as many as possible.

* Those dependent on the government welfare system.

I submit we have a man focused on making those groups happy, or mildly happy,
or at least not unhappy. To do so means shoveling borrowed, or printed, money into Programs for these folks.  This may keep these folk’s heads above water through the election, but it will undermine the economy in the coming months and years. Then these folks will really be in the soup. But the important thing is, Obama was re-elected.

[John Kopke]

Didn’t Obama appear on a big stage somewhere, either after his nomination, or election, with Greek columns in the background? Big time speech.

I think if he gets re-elected he should re-use those “Greek” props. Show the folks he's serious about reducing spending and preparing the folks for the future at the same time.

[Frenchfry]

Clearly, BHO is a menace to free market capitalism. He denies it in his speeches,
but his actions belie his words. He believes he can weave magic with his speeches, casting  a spell on the American people. I would say that ship has sailed for a whole
bunch of folks, but Obama isn’t looking to fool all the folks, just enough of the folks.

Here is what I mean. His campaign boils down to:

* He has the African American wrapped up 90++ percent.

* Looking real good with Hispanics. Pander after pander.

* Working government folks. They know where their bread is buttered.

* Private sector union workers. They’re Dems, but they are wary. This
   is the segment he needs to fool as many as possible.

* Those dependent on the government welfare system.

I submit we have a man focused on making those groups happy, or mildly happy,
or at least not unhappy. To do so means shoveling borrowed, or printed, money into Programs for these folks.  This may keep these folk’s heads above water through the election, but it will undermine the economy in the coming months and years. Then these folks will really be in the soup. But the important thing is, Obama was re-elected.

No wonder you're conceding....you must've heard about this:

Murdoch Dissatisfied With “Weak” Romney, Allies Say
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/murdoch-dissatisfied-with-weak-romney-allies-sa

But this should give you hope:
Romney Gathers $4.6 Million after Healthcare Ruling
http://uselectionnews.org/romney-gathers-4-6-million-after-healthcare-ruling/

Looks like trouble:
Donations to Romney campaign from former Iraqi politician raise eyebrows
Republicans blasted President Obama in 2008 for accepting donations from the same man, Aiham Alsammarae, who is linked to corruption in Iraq.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donations-romney-campaign-iraqi-politician-raise-eyebrows-article-1.1106236#ixzz1zTdbXxpA

Your Etch-A-Sketch candidate lacks principle:
Somersault: Mitt Romney Flips on Immigration, Again!?!


Mandate To LIE: Mitt Romney's Massive Flip-Flops on 'RomneyCare' Health Care

[lordfly]

I think if he gets re-elected he should re-use those “Greek” props. Show the folks he's serious about reducing spending and preparing the folks for the future at the same time.

So what you're saying is, austerity isn't the right way to go about doing things?

[John Kopke]

So what you're saying is, austerity isn't the right way to go about doing things?

No austerity is the right way. I long for the good old days, like when Obama had
a cabinet meeting back on April 21, 2009 and demanded his cabinet cut $100 million in spending. Where has that spending hawk gone?

You know what I think? I think in late October of this year Obama will announce he has completed his "line by line" review of the Federal budget and has discovered three billion dollars in spending cuts. Starting in 2017. 

[T-M-T]

So what you're saying is, austerity isn't the right way to go about doing things?

No austerity is the right way.

Wow!  Looks like you two finally agree on something!

[lordfly]

Austerity: Totally the way to go.

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:GRC&ifdim=region&tstart=899352000000&tend=1278043200000&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=gdp+of+greece

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:GBR&dl=en&hl=en&q=gdp+of+the+uk#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:GBR&ifdim=region&tstart=962510400000&tend=1278043200000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:ITA&dl=en&hl=en&q=gdp+of+italy#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:ITA&ifdim=region&tstart=962510400000&tend=1278043200000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

Those flat lines at the end there for GDP growth look absolutely mouth-watering, don't you think? I mean, it's practically flat enough to put dinner on. If you could afford dinner.

[John Kopke]

LF:
If you have something to say, say it. Then back it up if you feel compelled. I
refuse to waste valuable time wading through a trash heap of links you hope
will somewhere make the case you are unable to articulate on your own.

[lordfly]

LF:
If you have something to say, say it.

I did.

Then back it up if you feel compelled.

What do you think the links are for, bubba?

I refuse to waste valuable time wading through a trash heap of links you hope
will somewhere make the case you are unable to articulate on your own.

Cool story bro.

[John Kopke]

Following is the essence of what a guy said who thinks gold will hit $ 6,000 per ounce. I thought I’d mention that up front so all the Progressives out there know my source is wearing a tinfoil hat. Personally, I hope he is wrong, but I believe he is essentially right.

Essence of what he said:

“At some point the central banks are going to be the only buyers of bonds in the market other than perhaps private sector  pension funds who might be required to purchase a percentage of their portfolio in government bonds.”

What I take away is this:

* China, Saudi Arabia, and other countries, along with U.S. citizens will get to the point
   they  don’t see a future buying U.S or Euro sovereign debt. Pretty much already there
   on Euro debt.  We aren’t far behind. And if nobody wants to buy our debt, who will?
   Don’t forget,  we need  a trillion plus per year to cover the checks we’re writing.
* If bonds aren’t sold on the market to cover the deficit the FED will print the money to
   buy the bonds. But it doesn’t look good for the FED alone to be purchasing say $ 750
   billion of the deficit with printed money. Let’s have private pensions chip in $ 400
   billion of real money and only print $ 350 billion. 
* Financial Repression: Private pension funds required to have certain percentage of
   funds in government bonds. Logic behind the requirement. Because of global financial
   instability the government of the United States is taking the pro-active step of limiting
   our debt exposure to foreign countries. The American people will henceforth be
   investing 20% of their pension money in the future of the country and feel secure in the
   fact that their investment is backed by the full faith and credit of the bankrupt United 
   States of America..

[John Kopke]

Couple of numbers from June.

84K Jobs - Puny
85K more people on SSI - Gargantuan.