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[John Kopke]

Just stand there... they'll be by!  If they don't come soon though, I wouldnt lose any sleep, they are just getting their notes together.

JBS:
Mr. I don't want to ruffle any feathers. I'm the reasonable moderate. Not voting for either candidate. A respected ref between the two sides.   

[ducksoup]

Well Fluff you don't have much to do with it. Problem is your perception of the problem. The problem is the black "family" unit is in shambles. 70% of black babies born (those not aborted) to unwed Mothers. Welfare steps in. Progressive governement programs ruined the black family and now the only answer they have is to maintain their entitlements. Not much of a life.

How bigoted.  Test after test for all of my life has consistently shown that areas of poorer people ALWAYS have educational problems.  Not just “blacks”.  I look around HERE - the Monroe area - and see unwed mothers (the ones that didn’t abort to placate you).  I don’t know numbers but simple observation says it is a lot.  Your rant is that “Progressive governement programs” are at fault so the “right” answer is to cut wages, cut education, and write them off because they are a drain on the extreme rich.

Aside from the double premises of “black” and “unwed” (while ignoring the abortion rant) food stamps etc are based on need 9not skin color), or how poor they are and not if there is a marriage license.  WHITE married people get the same assistance because they can’t feed their kids.  Even if both work, John, they can still be too poor to be able to provide.  But, “dammit we pay them too much already.”  Part of it, John, starts with you.  When you hire do you look at good candidates or do you say that one lives on the east side so he is probably lazy, toss that application.  Maybe you don’t, but you know as well as I that it does.  Often, they don’t even get considered for decent paying jobs.

As I have said many times, get your gods to pay wages that people can live on and most of the “welfare” you complain about goes away.  Give them a quality education so that they will be able to feed themselves instead of being fed.  You know, like the saying “give a man a fish and he eats today, teach him to fish and he eats forever.” 

Don’t like the state of marriage versus not married with kids; then do something constructive.  Instead of the continual hate and crush the poor messaging from the right, why don’t you use that giant megaphone you all wield to support family unity, help the poor to climb from the bottom of the barrel instead of condemning and pushing to isolate them.  Love your fellow man instead of doing all you can to crush them.

[ducksoup]

You don’t have to do it all, John, not massive big things.  You all by yourself can contribute and make a difference.

After Ford gave its employees free computers that most probably didn’t need I was upset that they should have given them to the poor who DID need them.  So, when I do a computer upgrade for someone I ask for the old part, a video card or smaller memory and store them.  When someone else upgrades to a new computer I ask if they need the old one, I get broken ones and use the other parts donated to make usable ones and give them to those that need them.  It isn’t much, maybe one or two a year, but for the people that need one…   did a network for one place in need,  used my wire and a server patched up and put back to use. 

At one time I tried to get local dial ups to do come charity internet for those I helped, but there were too many problems, no phone and other things, so that didn’t work, and now with broadband and the higher cost… 

I am trying to do more laptops, but they are so part specific that it is harder to do.  I have two that are not too out of date with bad displays hoping for another with a good display but other bad part.  Every once in awhile I look to see if I can get a display cheap. 

Originally I had the idea to work with local businesses to take their old computers at upgrade and rehab them, but never took it to that level and just did it solo.

My point is not that I am doing something I think is good, but that if everyone does something good that is a help, then things get better for everyone.

You put a big stake on a good work ethic, as I do, so hire someone and TEACH that to him/her.  You can’t solve the big picture, but helping one person at a time and a lot of people helping can be huge.  Like to paint, teach some kids from a poor area how to.  Financial genius, teach a kid in a poor area how to climb out.  One person at a time.

We don't have to be "all but done" if we care about the rest of the people and not just "me".

[Baby Hitler]

Well Fluff you don't have much to do with it. Problem is your perception of the problem. The problem is the black "family" unit is in shambles. 70% of black babies born (those not aborted) to unwed Mothers. Welfare steps in. Progressive governement programs ruined the black family and now the only answer they have is to maintain their entitlements. Not much of a life.

The amount of black babies born out of wedlock has doubled in the last 40 years, while the amount of white babies born out of wedlock has tripled. In that same time, the amount of babies born to teenagers has risen about 85%.

So what is the solution John? Do we eliminate all of the progressive government programs? Do we increase the amount of abortions?

You seem so eager to blame those "Progressive government programs" but do you have any SOLUTIONS?

[John Kopke]

The amount of black babies born out of wedlock has doubled in the last 40 years, while the amount of white babies born out of wedlock has tripled. In that same time, the amount of babies born to teenagers has risen about 85%.

So what is the solution John? Do we eliminate all of the progressive government programs? Do we increase the amount of abortions?

You seem so eager to blame those "Progressive government programs" but do you have any SOLUTIONS?

FB:
First, do you think progressive/liberal/progressive welfare programs are solving the poverty problem? Well, I don't think so. How is a single Mother with 2 kids living on an array of government programs better off after 5 years? Thing is I'm not sure your side really wants solutions. Not sure R's do either. Tea Party folks do though. Gradually infiltrating the Republican Party. At some point there will be enough to shame the Pukes.     

[John Kopke]

Duck:
You accuse me of ranting and then just make up what I rant about. Then to dot the eye you make a second post before I can respond to the first. Hard to keep up.

[lordfly]

Tea Party folks do though.

And what, pray tell, is the Tea Party's plan for eliminating poverty aside from gutting social programs?

Does it even have one?

[Baby Hitler]

FB:
First, do you think progressive/liberal/progressive welfare programs are solving the poverty problem? Well, I don't think so. How is a single Mother with 2 kids living on an array of government programs better off after 5 years? Thing is I'm not sure your side really wants solutions. Not sure R's do either. Tea Party folks do though. Gradually infiltrating the Republican Party. At some point there will be enough to shame the Pukes.   

Answer my question, and I'll answer yours.

So what is the solution John? Do we eliminate all of the progressive government programs? Do we increase the amount of abortions?

You seem so eager to blame those "Progressive government programs" but do you have any SOLUTIONS?

[Baby Hitler]

This is the only plan I see right now.

1.) Eliminate taxes and social programs.
2.) ? ? ?
3.) Profit.

[ducksoup]

Duck:
You accuse me of ranting and then just make up what I rant about. Then to dot the eye you make a second post before I can respond to the first. Hard to keep up.

Yeah, I am sorry John.  I shouldn't have expected that you could read and comprehend even one after a day and a half. 

[LetsGoWings]

Yeah, I am sorry John.  I shouldn't have expected that you could read and comprehend even one after a day and a half.

Even though for the most part I agree with you on the issue at hand, why is it ok for you to accuse JK of not being able to comprehend, but when I do it to you or someone else on the left you jump on me for it?

[ducksoup]

Even though for the most part I agree with you on the issue at hand, why is it ok for you to accuse JK of not being able to comprehend, but when I do it to you or someone else on the left you jump on me for it?

You can't see the humor?

I make two posts and as day and a half later he suggests that it was too much at once?  He could not have read them separately over a number of hours?  LOL, yeah, it is legal.

[LetsGoWings]

You can't see the humor?

I make two posts and as day and a half later he suggests that it was too much at once?  He could not have read them separately over a number of hours?  LOL, yeah, it is legal.

I am just curious to why there is the hypocrisy here. You know if I did the same thing to FF it would be the whole "there you go again saying you are smarter than people". However, when you say it there is humor in it. Why do I get that comment when I do it then?

Hypocrisy thy name is you.

[ducksoup]

I am just curious to why there is the hypocrisy here. You know if I did the same thing to FF it would be the whole "there you go again saying you are smarter than people". However, when you say it there is humor in it. Why do I get that comment when I do it then?

Hypocrisy thy name is you.

If you don't get the humor, then you don't get the humor.  I don't see what you are claiming is hypocrisy, but whatever.

[LetsGoWings]

If you don't get the humor, then you don't get the humor.  I don't see what you are claiming is hypocrisy, but whatever.

Because you never see the humor when I do it to someone on the left, that is the hypocrisy. I highly doubt you were just joking with JK and trying to be funny, you were taking a jab at his comprehension skills, whether you want to admit it or not.