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Re: We're All But Done
« Reply #2325 on: June 09, 2014, 09:02:10 PM »

I agree with some that it is only going to get worse no matter who is in charge
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« Reply #2326 on: June 11, 2014, 08:12:47 AM »

What path are we taking? 

A socialist one world, run by the bankers.
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« Reply #2327 on: June 11, 2014, 03:22:10 PM »

A socialist one world, run by the bankers.

Banksters  +1
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« Reply #2328 on: June 11, 2014, 06:49:05 PM »

You would think that the Obama administration would be absolutely freaking out with all the negative things
exploding all around the them, but I'd don't think so. As a matter of fact, I believe the administration brain
trust could very well be looking for even more leftist outrages to heap on the current inferno, as per Cloward
and Piven. Overload the system to the point of chaos and then step in to restore order. How else do you
explain it? I mean think about it. Have you ever in your lifetime seen as much turmoil going on in this country
as there is now?
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Re: We're All But Done
« Reply #2329 on: June 11, 2014, 08:30:21 PM »

Yep.
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« Reply #2330 on: June 11, 2014, 08:59:15 PM »

obama and his band of arrogant leftists have a plan and it's all falling into place.  He told us 6 years ago he was going to change America.  There has never been anything like it.  There are so many leftist bureaucrats in powerful positions like EPA, IRS that we'll never get them out.
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« Reply #2331 on: June 11, 2014, 11:06:41 PM »

'Turmoil'.  Not really.  What I see is postilation and procrastination on the part of the people (sheeple) while the government deviously stick it up the sheeple's anus.....

You cannot get 2 people to agree on anythying today.  Just what the central government wants, divide and conquer....

Just keeps going downhill.....
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« Reply #2332 on: June 13, 2014, 10:30:43 PM »

Obama has two or so years left. Can you imagine two more years of what we are experiencing now?
One scandal, outrage, or failure, after another and another. Meanwhile we're sinking into financial oblivion,
there are no good jobs, the world is blowing up and Obama is going to Palm Springs to play golf and
do a fundraiser or two. Beam me up Scotty.
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« Reply #2333 on: June 15, 2014, 08:50:45 PM »

I'm of the opinion most folks aren't particularly political. They bone up on issues a little around the elections, but
beyond that, they just go along living their lives, doing the best they can. The problem today is the federal government
is into everything! And they aren't making things better, they are making things worse. Think about it. We have two
parties in a constant battle to run the federal government so they can determine the best direction of the country.
The problem as I see it is this results in policy greatly influenced by politics. If you and I as individuals, not politicians, 
sat down to come up with a solution to a problem, politics doesn't factor in, we are focused on fixing the problem. And
we do.

The point is government is not a logical thinking entity.  Then there is the incompetence and corruption of the bureaucracies
they employ to implement their policies. That is another story.
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Re: We're All But Done
« Reply #2334 on: June 15, 2014, 08:55:23 PM »

And so it goes.
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« Reply #2335 on: June 15, 2014, 09:12:28 PM »


The problem as I see it is this results in policy greatly influenced by politics. If you and I as individuals, not politicians, 
sat down to come up with a solution to a problem, politics doesn't factor in, we are focused on fixing the problem. And
we do.

The point is government is not a logical thinking entity.  Then there is the incompetence and corruption of the bureaucracies
they employ to implement their policies. That is another story.

Very good, and valid points John!
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« Reply #2336 on: June 15, 2014, 09:19:51 PM »

Hence - a little revolution now and then is a good thing?

Reset the clock?
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Re: We're All But Done
« Reply #2337 on: June 16, 2014, 11:54:31 AM »

I'm of the opinion most folks aren't particularly political. They bone up on issues a little around the elections, but
beyond that, they just go along living their lives, doing the best they can. The problem today is the federal government
is into everything! And they aren't making things better, they are making things worse. Think about it. We have two
parties in a constant battle to run the federal government so they can determine the best direction of the country.
The problem as I see it is this results in policy greatly influenced by politics. If you and I as individuals, not politicians, 
sat down to come up with a solution to a problem, politics doesn't factor in, we are focused on fixing the problem. And
we do.

The point is government is not a logical thinking entity.  Then there is the incompetence and corruption of the bureaucracies
they employ to implement their policies. That is another story.

You state that the gov't is not a "logically thinking entity", and that people only care about poltics around election time.

I don't agree. The problem is that people (citizens) make their leadership decisions (political choices) based 100% on their money. As long as the economy is doing well and the people are not feeling nor fearing any financial distress they don't care one iota about a leader's ability, morality, character, nor judgement. This very board is an example. The topics concerning personal / national finances and the situation they are in have more responses / views than any others.

The national debt didn't start with Obama. It actually began when America first borrowed $ from a foriegn entity, and NO president since has done ANYTHING to turn back from following in his predecessor's footsteps, much less actually pay the debt down.  Have Americans risen up and utilized the key tenets of their Constitution to change any of that? Nope. They are far too preoccupied with talking and complaining. Exactly like the leaders they chose to lead them, they lack sound insight, reasoning, and judgement.

So many people Love the Constitution, yet those same people have sat back and watched as it has been gutted and trampled and bled publicly for all to see for generations and gave nary a yawn of concern.

Foreign Policy. What foreign policy? The American public believes that as long as we stay out of the affairs of other countries America will not have any problems with any other nations. They scoff at the idea that what happens in the rest of the world has an affect on America and on them personally.

"It doesn't effect Me" is the idea and opinion 99.999999% of Americans operate on, on a daily basis, concerning all matters. Americans only become concerned when they perceive their personal financial situations are being threatened. Then they lash out at their fellow citizens, their leaders, their gov't, and everyone else, except themselves and what brought them to the situation in the first place. The American people have had no dictators nor tyrants preventing them from educating themselves in the manners of their nation, the purpose its founders had in forming and giving birth to it, nor in carrying on in their steed and preserving their legacy. The American people, more than any other people ever have had the right, the ability, and the means to control and assure their destiny for all their generations. Yet they chose concern themselves with other matters an leave their destiny to the determinations of those who possessed the same identical desires for personal gain and prosperity as they themselves. Americans base their choices in leaders on their own personal values and then...

Its always someone else's fault when things don't work out as hoped for.

What did our founding Father's say in regard to maintaining the prosperity of the United States? To whom did they turn over the responsibility of continuance of the nation they had formed?
The gov't? Nope. A particular political party? Nope. An individual? Nope. A religion? Nope.
They turned it over to and laid it squarely on the shoulders of the American People themselves, each individual, personally and all collectively. They gave us the means by which to govern and maintain that which WE determined to be of most import. So we have done according to our values, reasoning, attitude, and judgement.

And where did the American people place it? Directly in their pocket books, wallets, checking and savings accounts, paychecks, investments, and individual ability to get what they want and live the lifestyle they determine they deserve, in the manner in which they determine they deserve to do so.

And vowed jihad on anyone and anything they perceived as being a threat to any of it.

A man will take up arms, fight to his last breath, and die to defend any threat to his money. But will nary bat an eye at a direct blatant onslaught of corruption and destruction to the morality, character, and cohesiveness, of his family, community, and nation. As long as a man's money is secure he perceives himself, his family, and his nation as being secure.

Unfortunately the ramifications for such an attitude / reasoning is that there is no security nor prosperity. When a people and a nation sacrifice the tenets of righteousness (right morality, character, and judgement and the love of such) on the alter of get and gain they become an affront to  the very principles that would secure their prosperity for each succeeding generation, and are held in derision until the error is corrected or they cease to exist as an affront, which ever comes first.

People can disagree, debate, and argue both the whole and finite points of what I have said. Yet the proof of it plays out daily in the news of each passing day. As long as the focus of the people remains on each individual's financial security and prosperity first and foremost at the expense of righteousness neither security, nor prosperity in any matter or fashion will be gained nor re-gained.

The status and situation America currently finds itself in is the direct result of the character, morality,  attitude, and judgement of its people individually and collectively. Period. At the point things are at now, national preservation is not in offing. People should be considering their coarse post United States, post America, in a world that is hostile toward Americans and their betrayl of the very principles they preach and once stood for.
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« Reply #2338 on: June 16, 2014, 01:13:26 PM »

You state that the gov't is not a "logically thinking entity", and that people only care about poltics around election time.

I don't agree. The problem is that people (citizens) make their leadership decisions (political choices) based 100% on their money. As long as the economy is doing well and the people are not feeling nor fearing any financial distress they don't care one iota about a leader's ability, morality, character, nor judgement. This very board is an example. The topics concerning personal / national finances and the situation they are in have more responses / views than any others.

The national debt didn't start with Obama. It actually began when America first borrowed $ from a foriegn entity, and NO president since has done ANYTHING to turn back from following in his predecessor's footsteps, much less actually pay the debt down.  Have Americans risen up and utilized the key tenets of their Constitution to change any of that? Nope. They are far too preoccupied with talking and complaining. Exactly like the leaders they chose to lead them, they lack sound insight, reasoning, and judgement.

So many people Love the Constitution, yet those same people have sat back and watched as it has been gutted and trampled and bled publicly for all to see for generations and gave nary a yawn of concern.

Foreign Policy. What foreign policy? The American public believes that as long as we stay out of the affairs of other countries America will not have any problems with any other nations. They scoff at the idea that what happens in the rest of the world has an affect on America and on them personally.

"It doesn't effect Me" is the idea and opinion 99.999999% of Americans operate on, on a daily basis, concerning all matters. Americans only become concerned when they perceive their personal financial situations are being threatened. Then they lash out at their fellow citizens, their leaders, their gov't, and everyone else, except themselves and what brought them to the situation in the first place. The American people have had no dictators nor tyrants preventing them from educating themselves in the manners of their nation, the purpose its founders had in forming and giving birth to it, nor in carrying on in their steed and preserving their legacy. The American people, more than any other people ever have had the right, the ability, and the means to control and assure their destiny for all their generations. Yet they chose concern themselves with other matters an leave their destiny to the determinations of those who possessed the same identical desires for personal gain and prosperity as they themselves. Americans base their choices in leaders on their own personal values and then...

Its always someone else's fault when things don't work out as hoped for.

What did our founding Father's say in regard to maintaining the prosperity of the United States? To whom did they turn over the responsibility of continuance of the nation they had formed?
The gov't? Nope. A particular political party? Nope. An individual? Nope. A religion? Nope.
They turned it over to and laid it squarely on the shoulders of the American People themselves, each individual, personally and all collectively. They gave us the means by which to govern and maintain that which WE determined to be of most import. So we have done according to our values, reasoning, attitude, and judgement.

And where did the American people place it? Directly in their pocket books, wallets, checking and savings accounts, paychecks, investments, and individual ability to get what they want and live the lifestyle they determine they deserve, in the manner in which they determine they deserve to do so.

And vowed jihad on anyone and anything they perceived as being a threat to any of it.

A man will take up arms, fight to his last breath, and die to defend any threat to his money. But will nary bat an eye at a direct blatant onslaught of corruption and destruction to the morality, character, and cohesiveness, of his family, community, and nation. As long as a man's money is secure he perceives himself, his family, and his nation as being secure.

Unfortunately the ramifications for such an attitude / reasoning is that there is no security nor prosperity. When a people and a nation sacrifice the tenets of righteousness (right morality, character, and judgement and the love of such) on the alter of get and gain they become an affront to  the very principles that would secure their prosperity for each succeeding generation, and are held in derision until the error is corrected or they cease to exist as an affront, which ever comes first.

People can disagree, debate, and argue both the whole and finite points of what I have said. Yet the proof of it plays out daily in the news of each passing day. As long as the focus of the people remains on each individual's financial security and prosperity first and foremost at the expense of righteousness neither security, nor prosperity in any matter or fashion will be gained nor re-gained.

The status and situation America currently finds itself in is the direct result of the character, morality,  attitude, and judgement of its people individually and collectively. Period. At the point things are at now, national preservation is not in offing. People should be considering their coarse post United States, post America, in a world that is hostile toward Americans and their betrayl of the very principles they preach and once stood for.


Epitaph, hi and welcome to MT.

For quite some time I have been saying the same.  I use the phrase that most say believe that money is more important than people.  It isn’t a Democrat or Republican thing.  If there is any one thing that can be said to be equal to both it is that.  I liked how you extrapolated it out saying that the reason the system is sour is because the individual parts are sour.  If we base our representative selection on money, that is what we will get, and have gotten.

But, at the same time there is so much of “I want it but not for you.”  People complaining about union wages, teacher wages, any other wages but their own.  When it comes to their own; every single penny saved from paying taxes is craved, and it doesn’t matter if it takes many dollars from someone else’s pocket to save that penny.

The debt can never be paid down with the conflict of “more in my pocket” because it costs that pocket to pay it down.


The worship of avarice is the way of the land.    I believe that is what the Pope has talked about.  That the idolatry of money is harming the faithful as well as the people in general.  What is right or moral is secondary to putting money in one’s own pocket.  The love of money has supplanted the love of fellow man.  For far too many Christians, it seems, the love of money is stronger than the love for God.  How often do you see where a man/woman is judged by what they do and how much they earn and not for the personal character or goodness? 

Anyway, well written.  You did use the wrong coarse/course with the adjective for rough, but minor.  That isn’t trying to be grammar police.  You did a good job and that was meant constructive.
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« Reply #2339 on: June 16, 2014, 05:01:30 PM »

You state that the gov't is not a "logically thinking entity", and that people only care about poltics around election time.

I don't agree. The problem is that people (citizens) make their leadership decisions (political choices) based 100% on their money. As long as the economy is doing well and the people are not feeling nor fearing any financial distress they don't care one iota about a leader's ability, morality, character, nor judgement. This very board is an example. The topics concerning personal / national finances and the situation they are in have more responses / views than any others.

The national debt didn't start with Obama. It actually began when America first borrowed $ from a foriegn entity, and NO president since has done ANYTHING to turn back from following in his predecessor's footsteps, much less actually pay the debt down.  Have Americans risen up and utilized the key tenets of their Constitution to change any of that? Nope. They are far too preoccupied with talking and complaining. Exactly like the leaders they chose to lead them, they lack sound insight, reasoning, and judgement.

So many people Love the Constitution, yet those same people have sat back and watched as it has been gutted and trampled and bled publicly for all to see for generations and gave nary a yawn of concern.

Foreign Policy. What foreign policy? The American public believes that as long as we stay out of the affairs of other countries America will not have any problems with any other nations. They scoff at the idea that what happens in the rest of the world has an affect on America and on them personally.

"It doesn't effect Me" is the idea and opinion 99.999999% of Americans operate on, on a daily basis, concerning all matters. Americans only become concerned when they perceive their personal financial situations are being threatened. Then they lash out at their fellow citizens, their leaders, their gov't, and everyone else, except themselves and what brought them to the situation in the first place. The American people have had no dictators nor tyrants preventing them from educating themselves in the manners of their nation, the purpose its founders had in forming and giving birth to it, nor in carrying on in their steed and preserving their legacy. The American people, more than any other people ever have had the right, the ability, and the means to control and assure their destiny for all their generations. Yet they chose concern themselves with other matters an leave their destiny to the determinations of those who possessed the same identical desires for personal gain and prosperity as they themselves. Americans base their choices in leaders on their own personal values and then...

Its always someone else's fault when things don't work out as hoped for.

What did our founding Father's say in regard to maintaining the prosperity of the United States? To whom did they turn over the responsibility of continuance of the nation they had formed?
The gov't? Nope. A particular political party? Nope. An individual? Nope. A religion? Nope.
They turned it over to and laid it squarely on the shoulders of the American People themselves, each individual, personally and all collectively. They gave us the means by which to govern and maintain that which WE determined to be of most import. So we have done according to our values, reasoning, attitude, and judgement.

And where did the American people place it? Directly in their pocket books, wallets, checking and savings accounts, paychecks, investments, and individual ability to get what they want and live the lifestyle they determine they deserve, in the manner in which they determine they deserve to do so.

And vowed jihad on anyone and anything they perceived as being a threat to any of it.

A man will take up arms, fight to his last breath, and die to defend any threat to his money. But will nary bat an eye at a direct blatant onslaught of corruption and destruction to the morality, character, and cohesiveness, of his family, community, and nation. As long as a man's money is secure he perceives himself, his family, and his nation as being secure.

Unfortunately the ramifications for such an attitude / reasoning is that there is no security nor prosperity. When a people and a nation sacrifice the tenets of righteousness (right morality, character, and judgement and the love of such) on the alter of get and gain they become an affront to  the very principles that would secure their prosperity for each succeeding generation, and are held in derision until the error is corrected or they cease to exist as an affront, which ever comes first.

People can disagree, debate, and argue both the whole and finite points of what I have said. Yet the proof of it plays out daily in the news of each passing day. As long as the focus of the people remains on each individual's financial security and prosperity first and foremost at the expense of righteousness neither security, nor prosperity in any matter or fashion will be gained nor re-gained.

The status and situation America currently finds itself in is the direct result of the character, morality,  attitude, and judgement of its people individually and collectively. Period. At the point things are at now, national preservation is not in offing. People should be considering their coarse post United States, post America, in a world that is hostile toward Americans and their betrayl of the very principles they preach and once stood for.


Well Epitaph you made a number of very valid points. Many that I agree with. However, you say you disagree with my
point that government is not a logical thinking entity. I read your post twice and still wasn't able to put my finger on
the basis upon which you disagree. 
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