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[Will Sweat]

Yes, I would like to hold all media outlets to the same standard, I just don't see other media outlets continually, and purposefully making these "blunders".

Have you nothing to say on the distorted pictures that have obviously been doctored to make them look more sinister?

I may hate Fox news, but by your continued defense of them only shows your love for them.

Cool.  So then you expect that all news take responsibility - wonderful - we agree. 

No - why comment about it - you pointed that it was wrong and while you would make an assertion on the reason why . . . that is not something I like to do. 

Thank you for admitting a very sad emotion - I can think of nothing that I hate.  Not to sound like a hippy but . . . . I enjoy MLK's quote on hate; "Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it."

My love for them . . . . OK . . . . so your skills of gleaning what others intend extends to this board - oy vie!  FB - I pointed out that ALL news organizations make mistakes.  You agree that you want to agreed that all organizations should be held a standard and so there you go. 

I don't "love" any news organization.  I do find it odd that anytime someone has a different prospective that they must be seen as the extreme otherside.  You admit you hate them . . . OK . . . this does not mean if I don't hate them I love them.  Maybe it means I accept them as human and therefore fallable.  I simply think that the self-admitted and expressed hatred directed at FOX is scary.  Once you demonize someone it makes it easier to make them less worthy and less important that . . . . you.  This is never the case and never will be. 

But - instead you throw in more "stuff" . . . er, er . . . "death panels" . . . and "well, CBS did better".  Geez, man, let it go - you don't like them - don't watch.  The people that do like them will forgive them of any mistakes that they own up to (as I believe they should).   I am glad that CBS offered and apology but I will not make a determination on who's apology is "better" than the other, seems like a standard that only opens me to using my feelings on like or dislike of a person or group. 


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[Chips]

If one does not like Fox News, I would recommend not watching it and avoid giving it more press.

[Baby Hitler]

Sorry but the "don't like them, don't watch" attitude is much like not liking what Germany was doing in WWII and doing nothing about it.

By continually pointing out what they are doing, I have been able to convince an EXTREMELY conservative friend of mine that, yes, Fox News does LIE, and does so PURPOSEFULLY.

And as far as your "hate" thing goes, I don't hate individuals, I hate what they do sometimes, and I hate what organizations such as Fox News does to distort and mangle the truth.

As far as my "skills" for gleaning what others say, you evidently "gleaned" that I knew what you meant when you posted before and I asked for clarification, when clearly I did not understand what you meant.

Perhaps you should examine your own "gleaning" skills?

[Baby Hitler]

But hey, go ahead and continue to defend the one "News" organization that went to court so they can legally LIE to you.

[Will Sweat]

Sorry but the "don't like them, don't watch" attitude is much like not liking what Germany was doing in WWII and doing nothing about it.  Never said that I don't like them . . . don't have an opinion to be fair.  If you must know the place I most enjoy getting news is a hard newspaper - Toledo Blade, (lunch hour at the library) with the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Chicago Sun-Times.  I will then follow it up with news on the web if I find a story interesting.  I work too many hours to listen to watch TV . . . (although, in the mornings when I am dressing I like "Morning Joe", because of the variety of opinion and (no kidding) the have the best bumper music! !). 

By continually pointing out what they are doing, I have been able to convince an EXTREMELY conservative friend of mine that, yes, Fox News does LIE, and does so PURPOSEFULLY.

And as far as your "hate" thing goes, I don't hate individuals, I hate what they do sometimes, and I hate what organizations such as Fox News does to distort and mangle the truth.

As far as my "skills" for gleaning what others so, you evidently "gleaned" that I knew what you meant when you posted before and I asked for clarification, when clearly I did not understand what you meant.

Perhaps you should examine your own "gleaning" skills?

Did you really just compare and attitude on a news organization to the atrocities committed in WWII . . . dude . . . such extreme comparisons are, IMHO, silly and do not forward your argument. 

Wonderful that you have helped someone expand the the base from which they find and utilize information. 

Just telling you the way it comes across IMO . . . as these "errors", "mistakes", "sin's of omission" are only pointed out and screamed one way.  In terms of "hate" . . . I used that only because you agreed you feel that way.  You can qualify it all you like but once you begin to feel such a powerful, visceral feeling about another entity (person, place, thing . . . blah, blah, blah) then you allow such darkness to infect your future impressions of anyone that is connected to that entity.  That to me is very sad as it purposefully pushes other thoughts, feelings and opinions away and makes them somehow less than when this is never the case.  But . . . that's just me. 

My word man, . . . you continue to harp on someone "defending" when I have already agreed with you that they were "wrong".  Hell, in the instance that began this exchange, they admitted they were wrong (yes, I get that you find the admission somewhat "lesser than" but . . . they did admit it).  Again - your hatred of them is scary and honestly when you extend it to what you believe others are doing it is strikingly odd and to be frank - raises concerns.  It's no longer about exchange of ideals or opinions it about "I am right" and you are "your wrong" . . . which can NEVER be true all the time.  What was is it . . . even a broken clock is correct twice a day? 

You are correct.  I did believe that you had figured out that "be" was suppose to be "we" and as you have stated you did not . . . I apologize for believing otherwise and will work to ensure in the future that I not make a determination on your skills. 

[Baby Hitler]

Did you really just compare and attitude on a news organization to the atrocities committed in WWII . . . dude . . . such extreme comparisons are, IMHO, silly and do not forward your argument. 

Sometimes you have to use an extreme comparison to show your point.

I believe that what Fox News is doing, is, quite frankly, evil.

No other words for it.

When you go to court so that you can LIE to others, that is EVIL. I'm sorry I can't LOVE EVIL. I can only point out the things that EVIL people do and hope that they too can see the EVIL that is being done.

I will continue to denounce things that I see as EVIL and bring it out into the light so that it may be cleansed. Hiding it, or covering it up, or ignoring it does nothing to solve the problem.

Hate the sin, not the sinner is my motto. But I don't see a corporation as a PERSON, perhaps you do.

[Will Sweat]

Sometimes you have to use an extreme comparison to show your point.

I believe that what Fox News is doing, is, quite frankly, evil.

No other words for it.

When you go to court so that you can LIE to others, that is EVIL. I'm sorry I can't LOVE EVIL. I can only point out the things that EVIL people do and hope that they too can see the EVIL that is being done.

I will continue to denounce things that I see as EVIL and bring it out into the light so that it may be cleansed. Hiding it, or covering it up, or ignoring it does nothing to solve the problem.

Hate the sin, not the sinner is my motto. But I don't see a corporation as a PERSON, perhaps you do.

I guess but is seems more like, "Theater of the Absurd".  Thank you for pointing out that it is your opinion they are "EVIL" - the thing is . . . you (nor no other human) gets to be the sole voice to identify such things. That makes you no different that the dreaded Koch Brothers - you are just the opposite side of the same coin, IMHO. 

Of course nobody is asking you (or anyone else) to love anything - especially not something that you view as EVIL.  I will restate that you can use any angle you like but once you express that you "hate" something (in this instance a corporation) you in turn pass judgement on any real person connected to them and this, I do not believe, is healthy. 

[Baby Hitler]

I see, so you wouldn't say that Hitler was EVIL, or that the things he did were EVIL?

Oh and thanks for comparing me to the Koch brothers. You get 1 bazillion troll points for that one.

[Baggins]

Sorry but the "don't like them, don't watch" attitude is much like not liking what Germany was doing in WWII and doing nothing about it

Are you seriously going to compare Nazi Germany to Fox news...That's way off on several levels and you of all people know it...

I have turned away from Fox as a news source for a while now, there are just too many other news outlets that cover the same stories without spin...I agree Fox news is corrupt on a political level and seem to report there own facts.

But, I call foul when someone invokes the comparison with a true evil institution like Hitlers Germany when it is far from the reality...!


*This is not said in defence of Fox, but in the scope of keeping things realistic and in perspective...

[Will Sweat]

I see, so you wouldn't say that Hitler was EVIL, or that the things he did were EVIL?

Oh and thanks for comparing me to the Koch brothers. You get 1 bazillion troll points for that one.

See . . . again . . . you take things to the most ridiculous extremes in an attempt to define others but fail to see where your behavior falls within the spectrum.  I did not mention Adolf Hitler, the German Government, German People or the NAZI party - you did.  Were the atrocities committed by the NAZI party under the leadership of Adolf Hitler evil - of course those actions were abhorrent, illegal, unethical, inhumane, repugnant, and yes . . . EVIL.  But - riddle me this Batman, what is it when you compare the extermination of seven millon people to the operation of a news organization - even if you dislike them? 

You agreed that you "hate" FOX news because of the positions they take.  Truth - the Koch Brothers and the various political action committees that they have setup dislike (I won't say they "hate" because I don't know) Pres. Obama and the Democrats because of the positions they hold - ergo; same positions but different extremes . . . like a "yin - yang".  Sorry if that bothers you. 

Seriously - troll points?  Like, really, dude, for sure . . . er, whatever.  I mean . . you feign indignation at being compared to an organization when you openly compare FOX News to the behavior of NAZI Germany - like I said before . . IMHO . . this is really unhealthy. 

[Professor H]

Yes, I would like to hold all media outlets to the same standard, I just don't see other media outlets continually, and purposefully making these "blunders".

   

Don't see? or don't look... (or have others searching).

I'm not convinced that all the other political "news' outlets are flawless -
but I don't sit around searching the internet for examples.   

Some see a conspiracy around any and every action they disagree with - such as your assumtion pictures are doctored.  Do you know for a fact or just what someone else posted...  which came first the chicken or the egg?,  the pictures on the left could have been doctored under your same theory.

 
Maybe all the ratings they are getting is from people who troll looking for a slip, but they still lead in the ratings regarless of the attacks against them by fake news site.

After being spoon fed the news for years from the old networks, Fox found a niche that apparently the majority of the people watching (at all ages) seem to enjoy.
Take your news sources for what you want, if you don't like one no one is making you watch it.   Most of the "news" shows people complain about are entertainment and not really news.  Doubt if any mass killings are coming because someone on the news makes a mistake, or even purposely skews or slants the news to their views.
It has been going on in the news world for years!

[Baby Hitler]

Are you seriously going to compare Nazi Germany to Fox news...That's way off on several levels and you of all people know it...

I have turned away from Fox as a news source for a while now, there are just too many other news outlets that cover the same stories without spin...I agree Fox news is corrupt on a political level and seem to report there own facts.

But, I call foul when someone invokes the comparison with a true evil institution like Hitlers Germany when it is far from the reality...!


*This is not said in defence of Fox, but in the scope of keeping things realistic and in perspective...

Fox News compares damn near everything they don't like to Nazi's just turning the tables on them is all.

And I do see them at damn near the same level, they just aren't up to exterminating people.... yet. They will however, hack into dead peoples phones, (News Corp did it and they own Fox), and do anything else they can to manipulate the people into doing their will.

Sounds like Nazi Germany to me.

When a corporation will LIE to you, because it might hurt them financially to tell the truth, I'd say that's pretty evil.

[Skittelroo]

I don't trust any news show to give me the complete truth about a topic, but I yearn for the day whe they give me honest facts without any spin trying to push me in whatever their preferred direction might be.  Take it all with a large box of salt, and let me come to my own conclusion (and still be able to have good discussions with anyone who doesn't expect my view to be the same as his/hers)

[Baby Hitler]

I'd just like for ALL news agencies to be required to report facts, and not be able to legally lie to further their agenda.

I guess that is just too much to ask for.

[Will Sweat]

I don't trust any news show to give me the complete truth about a topic, but I yearn for the day whe they give me honest facts without any spin trying to push me in whatever their preferred direction might be.  Take it all with a large box of salt, and let me come to my own conclusion (and still be able to have good discussions with anyone who doesn't expect my view to be the same as his/hers)

Would be helpful.  I still prefer news papers and then doing my own "hunt and peck" if I find a story interesting or important.