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FACT CHECK: More US drilling didn't drop gas prices
« Reply #285 on: March 21, 2012, 12:56:40 PM »

WASHINGTON (AP) - It's the political cure-all for high gas prices: Drill here, drill now. But more U.S. drilling has not changed how deeply the gas pump drills into your wallet, math and history show.

A statistical analysis of 36 years of monthly, inflation-adjusted gasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press shows no statistical correlation between how much oil comes out of U.S. wells and the price at the pump.

If more domestic oil drilling worked as politicians say, you'd now be paying about $2 a gallon for gasoline. Instead, you're paying the highest prices ever for March.

Political rhetoric about the blame over gas prices and the power to change them - whether Republican claims now or Democrats' charges four years ago - is not supported by cold, hard figures. And that's especially true about oil drilling in the U.S. More oil production in the United States does not mean consistently lower prices at the pump.

Sometimes prices increase as American drilling ramps up. That's what has happened in the past three years. Since February 2009, U.S. oil production has increased 15 percent when seasonally adjusted. Prices in those three years went from $2.07 per gallon to $3.58. It was a case of drilling more and paying much more.

U.S. oil production is back to the same level it was in March 2003, when gas cost $2.10 per gallon when adjusted for inflation. But that's not what prices are now.

That's because oil is a global commodity and U.S. production has only a tiny influence on supply. Factors far beyond the control of a nation or a president dictate the price of gasoline.

When you put the inflation-adjusted price of gas on the same chart as U.S. oil production since 1976, the numbers sometimes go in the same direction, sometimes in opposite directions. If drilling for more oil meant lower prices, the lines on the chart would consistently go in opposite directions. A basic statistical measure of correlation found no link between the two, and outside statistical experts confirmed those calculations.

"Drill, baby, drill has nothing to do with it," said Judith Dwarkin, chief energy economist at ITG investment research. Two other energy economists said the same thing and experts in the field have been making that observation for decades.

The statistics directly contradict the title of GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich's 2008 book "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less," as well as the campaign-trail claims from the GOP presidential candidates.

Earlier this month, GOP front-runner Mitt Romney said of his solution to higher gas prices: "I can cut through the baloney ... and just tell him, 'Mr. President, open up drilling in the Gulf, open up drilling in ANWR (the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). Open up drilling in continental shelf, drill in North Dakota, drill in Oklahoma and Texas.'"

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, said on the Senate floor last week, "With oil prices above $100 a barrel and gasoline soaring toward $4 a gallon, greater production is not a political opportunity, it is a legislative imperative."

Supporters of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline say it would bring 25 million barrels of oil to the United States a month. That's the same increase in U.S. production that occurred between February and November last year. Monthly gas prices went up a dime a gallon in that time.


The late 1980s and 1990s show exactly how domestic drilling is not related to gas prices.

Seasonally adjusted U.S. oil production dropped steadily from February 1986 until three years ago. But starting in March 1986, inflation-adjusted gas prices fell below the $2-a-gallon mark and stayed there for most of the rest of the 1980s and 1990s. Production between 1986 and 1999 dropped by nearly one-third. If the drill-now theory were correct, prices should have soared. Instead they went down by nearly a dollar.


The AP analysis used Energy Department figures for regular unleaded gas prices adjusted for inflation to 2012 dollars, oil production and oil demand. The figures go back to January 1976, the earliest the Energy Department keeps figures on unleaded gas prices. University of South Carolina statistics professor John Grego, New York University statistics professor Edward Melnick and David Peterson, a retired Duke University statistics professor, looked at the analysis, ran their own calculations, including several complicated formulas, and came to the same conclusion.

When U.S. production goes up, the price of gas "is certainly not going down," Melnick said. "The data does not suggest that whatsoever."

The calculations "help make the point that U.S. production and demand have little to do with the price of gasoline in the U.S., and lend support to the notion that there is not a great deal we in the U.S., acting alone, can do to affect the price of gasoline," Peterson wrote in an email. He pointed out that Energy Department figures show that gas prices in the U.S. seem to rise and fall similarly to gas prices in Europe, showing that it has little to do with American drilling.

And that's the key. It's a world market, economists say.

Unlike natural gas or electricity, the United States alone does not have the power to change the supply-and-demand equation in the world oil market, said Christopher Knittel, a professor of energy economics at MIT. American oil production is about 11 percent of the world's output, so even if the U.S. were to increase its oil production by 50 percent - that is more than drilling in the Arctic, increased public-lands and offshore drilling, and the Canadian pipeline would provide - it would at most cut gas prices by 10 percent.

"There are not many markets where the United States can't impose its will on market outcomes," Knittel said. "This is one we can't, and it's hard for the average American to understand that and it's easy for politicians to feed off that."

If drilling activity rises around the globe for a sustained period of time, gasoline prices can fall as that new supply eventually finds its way to market, but the U.S. can't do it alone, oil analysts say.

Politicians - especially those in the party that's not occupying the White House - have long harped on high gas prices when expedient. Then-Sen. Barack Obama said in 2008, when he was running for president, that "here in Ohio, you're paying nearly $3.70 a gallon for gas, 2-1/2 times what it cost when George Bush took office."

But Obama, who has seen gas prices go up 73 percent since he took office, was singing a different tune last week in his weekly radio address: "The truth is: The price of gas depends on a lot of factors that are often beyond our control. Unrest in the Middle East can tighten global oil supply. Growing nations like China or India adding cars to the road increases demand. But one thing we should control is fraud and manipulation that can cause prices to spike even further."

The political party of the president doesn't seem to matter to the price at the pump either. Since 1976, the average monthly gas price, adjusted for inflation, during Democratic presidencies has been $2.25; under Republicans it's been $2.34. Obama had the steepest monthly average at $3.05 and Bill Clinton the cheapest at $1.68.

When Bush and running mate Dick Cheney campaigned in 2000, they argued that as oil executives they could get oil prices down, with Bush saying, "I would work with our friends in OPEC to convince them to open up the spigot, to increase the supply."

Yet it was during the last few months of Bush's term in 2008 that gas prices hit their highest: $4.27 when adjusted for inflation.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20120321/D9TKR60G0.html
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Re: Gasoline Prices
« Reply #286 on: March 21, 2012, 01:16:01 PM »

Nice, a vote for fascism.
Actually it could be argued for either Nationalization, or fascism.

Nationalization is the take over of assets by the government.

Fascists advocate a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation or state

Other Nationalization of assets by the United States include:

    1862: The Legal Tender Act nationalized the monetary system under fiat currency.
    1863: The National Bank Act nationalized the banking system and further monopolized the money supply.
    1917: All U.S. railroads were nationalized as the Railroad Administration during World War I as a wartime measure. The United States Railroad Administration was returned to private ownership in 1920.
    1939: Organization of the Tennessee Valley Authority entailed the nationalization of the facilities of the former Tennessee Electric Power Company.
    1971: The National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) is a government-owned corporation created in 1971 for the express purpose of relieving American railroads of their legal obligation to provide inter-city passenger rail service. The (primarily) freight railroads had petitioned to abandon passenger service repeatedly in the decades leading up to Amtrak's formation.
    1976: The Consolidated Rail Corporation (Conrail), another government corporation, was created to take over the operations of six bankrupt rail lines operating primarily in the Northeast; Conrail was privatized in 1987. Initial plans for Conrail would have made it a truly nationalized system like that during World War I, but an alternate proposal by the Association of American Railroads won out.
    1980s: Resolution Trust Corporation seized control of hundreds of failed Savings & Loans.
    2001: In response to the September 11 attacks, the then-private airport security industry was nationalized and put under the authority of the Transportation Security Administration.
    2008: Some economists consider the U.S. government's takeover of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation and Federal National Mortgage Association to have been nationalization (or renationalization).[27][28] The conservatorship model used with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is looser and more temporary than nationalization.[29]
    2009: Some economists consider the U.S. government's actions with regards to Citigroup to have been a partial nationalization.[30] Proposal was made that banks like Citigroup be brought under a conservatorship model similar to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, that some of their "good assets" be dropped into newly created "good bank" subsidiaries (presumably under new management), and the remaining "bad assets" be left to be managed under the supervision of a conservatorship structure.[29] The U.S. government's actions with regard to General Motors in replacing the CEO with a government approved CEO is likewise being considered as nationalization.[31][32] On June 1, 2009, General Motors filed for bankruptcy, with the United States investing up to $50 billion and taking 60% ownership in the company. President Obama stated that the nationalization was temporary, saying, "We are acting as reluctant shareholders because that is the only way to help GM succeed"[33]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization

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« Reply #287 on: March 21, 2012, 07:15:43 PM »

Actually it could be argued for either Nationalization, or fascism.

Nationalization is the take over of assets by the government.

Fascists advocate a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation or state

Other Nationalization of assets by the United States include:

    1862: The Legal Tender Act nationalized the monetary system under fiat currency.
    1863: The National Bank Act nationalized the banking system and further monopolized the money supply.
    1917: All U.S. railroads were nationalized as the Railroad Administration during World War I as a wartime measure. The United States Railroad Administration was returned to private ownership in 1920.
    1939: Organization of the Tennessee Valley Authority entailed the nationalization of the facilities of the former Tennessee Electric Power Company.
    1971: The National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) is a government-owned corporation created in 1971 for the express purpose of relieving American railroads of their legal obligation to provide inter-city passenger rail service. The (primarily) freight railroads had petitioned to abandon passenger service repeatedly in the decades leading up to Amtrak's formation.
    1976: The Consolidated Rail Corporation (Conrail), another government corporation, was created to take over the operations of six bankrupt rail lines operating primarily in the Northeast; Conrail was privatized in 1987. Initial plans for Conrail would have made it a truly nationalized system like that during World War I, but an alternate proposal by the Association of American Railroads won out.
    1980s: Resolution Trust Corporation seized control of hundreds of failed Savings & Loans.
    2001: In response to the September 11 attacks, the then-private airport security industry was nationalized and put under the authority of the Transportation Security Administration.
    2008: Some economists consider the U.S. government's takeover of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation and Federal National Mortgage Association to have been nationalization (or renationalization).[27][28] The conservatorship model used with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is looser and more temporary than nationalization.[29]
    2009: Some economists consider the U.S. government's actions with regards to Citigroup to have been a partial nationalization.[30] Proposal was made that banks like Citigroup be brought under a conservatorship model similar to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, that some of their "good assets" be dropped into newly created "good bank" subsidiaries (presumably under new management), and the remaining "bad assets" be left to be managed under the supervision of a conservatorship structure.[29] The U.S. government's actions with regard to General Motors in replacing the CEO with a government approved CEO is likewise being considered as nationalization.[31][32] On June 1, 2009, General Motors filed for bankruptcy, with the United States investing up to $50 billion and taking 60% ownership in the company. President Obama stated that the nationalization was temporary, saying, "We are acting as reluctant shareholders because that is the only way to help GM succeed"[33]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization



Thanks for posting this info!

It illustrates a pattern don't it?
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Re: Gasoline Prices
« Reply #288 on: March 23, 2012, 12:14:42 PM »

How to Get $2-Per-Gallon Gas

Driving a vehicle that isn't at its most fuel efficient can be equivalent paying an extra $2 or more per gallon, simply because it burns through a tank much faster. Here's how to avoid that premium, and knock a dollar or two more off your per-gallon price:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-to-get--2-per-gallon-gas.html



My prefered method is riding a motorcycle!

My 1987 Kawasaki ZL1000 can run a low eleven second quarter mile and STILL gives me 38MPG!
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« Reply #289 on: March 23, 2012, 02:14:05 PM »

How to Get $2-Per-Gallon Gas

Driving a vehicle that isn't at its most fuel efficient can be equivalent paying an extra $2 or more per gallon, simply because it burns through a tank much faster. Here's how to avoid that premium, and knock a dollar or two more off your per-gallon price:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-to-get--2-per-gallon-gas.html



My prefered method is riding a motorcycle!

My 1987 Kawasaki ZL1000 can run a low eleven second quarter mile and STILL gives me 38MPG!


My '89 VW Jetta diesel 1.6l NA cruises at highway speeds, seats four with room for their luggage and delivers 50mpg highway.
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« Reply #290 on: March 24, 2012, 09:21:21 AM »

I switched to a 4cyl and enjoy greater mileage in my Fusion (from a 4 wheel drive SUV)
Never felt "safe" on a motorcycle.

Using less appears to increases the prices - as demand goes down the prices rise to maintain profits.
(Just my observation)

I know there are many many other aspects such as speculators, conflicts, demand of China and other countries beyond controls.

What I did find interesting is the fast track of the lower half of the pipeline to Canada this past week by Obama.  Apparently his advisers and reelection team are feeling the political pressures. 
Why else the quick change in his position?   
I believe others have shown where higher gas prices lend to the incumbents not doing as well in elections...
as if the message hasn't sunk in before, it's still the economy!
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« Reply #291 on: April 23, 2012, 12:04:22 AM »

U.S. oil production is up, so why are gas prices so high?

Given America's new oil rush, it would seem the best of times for gas prices. But with $4-per-gallon sticker shock, it might feel like the worst of times.

How can this be?

The question is all the more perplexing, because the United States is not only producing more crude oil but also using less of it. As a result, net oil imports have dropped a third since 2005.

With such good fortune, America's soaring pump prices seem to defy the laws of supply and demand — except for one fact: It's increasingly not just about us.

U.S. gas prices are largely determined by global crude oil prices, which depend on a widening and shifting array of factors half a world away: economic sanctions on Iran; deepwater drilling off Brazil; spare oil capacity in Saudi Arabia; auto use in China; less nuclear power in Japan.

So oil rigs may be hopping in North Dakota, but what happens in the Strait of Hormuz will likely have more impact on prices at the local gas station — even though the U.S. doesn't import a single gallon from Iran.

"The market for oil is global," says Neelesh Nerurkar of the Congressional Research Service, the research arm of Congress, who co-wrote a paper on 2012's rising gas prices. He says although the U.S. imported almost no oil from Libya, unrest there last year cut the world's crude oil supply and thus drove up gas prices here.

"It's frustrating to everybody," says Howard Gruenspecht, acting administrator of the U.S. Energy Information Administration, referring to the U.S.' limited ability to control its own gas prices despite its oil boom. His agency says the U.S. increased production of oil and petroleum products about 20% since 2008, but the amount was only 11% of the world's supply last year and 53% of what the nation used.

Federal laws do not generally allow crude oil that's produced in the U.S. to be exported but permit the export of refined products that come from it — such as gasoline, diesel and jet fuel. Last year, for the first time since 1949, the U.S. became a net exporter of these products. Most gasoline exports go from Gulf Coast refineries to Latin America, where demand is booming.



"They're not keeping it just for us," President Obama said this month about U.S. oil companies, noting they sell on the international market. As a result, he said, "We can't just drill our way out of this problem."

He argued the only true solution to high gas prices is independence from fossil fuels, adding: "I don't want our kids to be held hostage to events on the other side of the world."

His likely GOP presidential opponent, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, partly blames Obama for gas prices, saying he should do more to expand U.S. oil production and pipeline capacity. When Obama was running for president in 2008, he partly blamed then-president George Bush for that year's surge in gas prices.

"The reality is that presidents have very little to do with near-term fluctuations in gasoline prices," Frank Verrastro, director of the energy program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told a U.S. Senate panel last month.

Here's a look at five factors that do:

1. Global crude oil price increases.

Crude oil accounted for nearly three-quarters, or 72%, of the retail cost of a gallon of gasoline in February, according to the most recent data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the analytical arm of the Department of Energy. Refining costs/profits accounted for 12%, federal/state taxes for 11% and distribution/marketing for 5%.

Crude oil prices reflect the cost of production, which has become more challenging as easy-to-access reserves dwindle.

"Oil companies are turning to increasingly costly-to-produce oil," says Michael T. Klare, author of The Race For What's Left: The Global Scramble for the World's Last Resources. He points to tar sands in Canada, deepwater reserves off Brazil or so-called tight oil that's extracted from shale formations by hydraulic fracturing in the U.S.

Klare says oil prices also reflect both the world's current supply and demand as well as expectations about the future. "People are bidding against each other and driving up the price," he says, noting buyers pay now for delivery later, so they often hedge their bets to account for a potential loss in supply.

2. Iran and other geopolitical uncertainties.

What's causing the most heartburn now is Iran, one of the world's top five oil producers (along with Saudi Arabia, Russia, the U.S. and China).

"This year, the dominant factor in pushing up world oil prices — and thus gasoline prices in the United States — is geopolitics — specifically, rising tension over Iran," Daniel Yergin, chairman of the IHS CERA division, formerly known as Cambridge Energy Research Associates, recently told a Senate panel.

Because of concern that Iran is developing nuclear weapons that could strike Israel, the U.S. and the European Union have imposed economic sanctions against it and are considering tougher measures. Iran has threatened to "close" the 6-mile-wide Strait of Hormuz, a major oil thoroughfare, but has also agreed to talks with six major world powers, including the U.S.

Other uncertainties focus on civil unrest in Yemen and Syria and discord between Sudan and South Sudan.

3. Limited spare capacity.

These countries worry the oil industry, even though they're not major oil producers, because there's limited global cushion to cover a loss in production should their conflicts spread or deepen.

Right now, Saudi Arabia holds almost all the world's spare capacity in crude oil production — estimated at about 2 million barrels a day, which is low historically and less than Iran's daily exports.

"We're on a cusp, a balancing point," says Martin Tallett of EnSys Energy, an industry consulting firm. He says less than 4 million barrels-per-day of spare capacity is problematic, because even small changes in supply or demand can swing prices. "We're in a period of quite high uncertainty."

The U.S. also has 696 million barrels in its Strategic Petroleum Reserve, designed as an emergency stockpile, but its prior releases lowered gas prices only temporarily. The reserve can satisfy a tiny fraction of the world's oil demand, estimated at 89 million barrels-per-day this year.

4. Rising worldwide demand.

Oil consumption in the U.S. has fallen 10% since 2005, back to 1998 levels, as Americans drive less and use more fuel-efficient cars and equipment.

That's not the case worldwide. From 2008 to 2011, oil demand grew by 3.2 million barrels per day from just four countries — Brazil, India, China and Saudi Arabia — and isn't expected to slow much this year, according to U.S. Senate testimony by Paul Horsnell, head of commodities research for Barclays.

Japan's demand for oil has also increased since a massive earthquake and tsunami in March 2011 caused partial meltdowns at its Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant. Of its 54 nuclear reactors, only one is now operational.

"Demand is rising worldwide, even if it's not in the United States, and supply is not keeping pace," Klare says.

5. Refinery closures/production costs.

Higher demand could trigger particularly higher gas prices along the East Coast where several oil refineries have closed in recent years, making the region dependent on gasoline imports. Refinery outages on the West Coast have recently pushed up prices there.

Unlike refineries on the Gulf Coast, which are sophisticated and have great export opportunities, those on the East Coast tend to be less flexible in the crudes they can refine and face more global competition.

Sunoco closed its Marcus Hook, Pa., refinery in December and may close (or sell) its Philadelphia one this year, while ConocoPhillips shuttered its Trainer, Pa., refinery last September. These three facilities account for half of the Northeast's refining capacity.

Another issue is pipeline capacity, which also varies nationwide and contributes to the regional differences in gas prices. Verrastro, an energy analyst, says expanding capacity with the Oklahoma-to-Texas half of the proposed Keystone pipeline could temporarily hike gas prices in the Rocky Mountain area by relieving the current glut of oil that has depressed gas prices there.

Where are gas prices headed? Some industry analysts say prices have already peaked this year. Gruenspecht's EIA predicted April 10 that regular-grade gas prices will average $3.95 a gallon through September and could peak at $4.01 in May. It forecasts slightly lower gas prices next year of $3.73 a gallon.

"Our outlook is for prices staying fairly high," Gruenspecht says, adding: "but there's a fair range of uncertainty around that."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2012-04-21/global-factors-gasoline-prices/54421804/1
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« Reply #293 on: May 08, 2012, 02:42:36 PM »

The government says gasoline will be cheaper this summer than previously expected thanks to a drop in the price of oil.

The Energy Department says drivers should pay an average of $3.79 per gallon at the pump from April through September. That's down 16 cents from last month's outlook and not that dramatic an increase from last summer's average of $3.71 per gallon.

This month's forecast is a reversal from previous warnings of a sharp rise in gasoline prices. The government had said last month that gasoline prices in May could jump above a monthly average of $4.01 per gallon.

Oil prices have dropped about $7 per barrel since April 2.

The national average for gas has declined 17 cents since early April to $3.76 per gallon on Tuesday.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/govt-cuts-summer-gasoline-price-forecast-16304264#.T6loJ1LhemU




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« Reply #294 on: May 23, 2012, 03:10:31 AM »

This topic was well established and active with the last comment on May 8th so I'm not sure why yet another gas price thread was created on May 14th...(less than a week....it wasn't like it was buried)   ???

Remember when Newt Gingrich and other conservatives convinced seemingly everyone that President Obama could single-handedly control gas prices? Even Mitt Romney said that Obama should get "full credit or blame" for the cost going up or down.

Price of gas goes down - Romney should be giving Pres Obama a high-five sometime soon, right? Right?
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« Reply #295 on: June 11, 2012, 02:23:56 AM »

Currently we are paying around $3.80 a gallon at the pump.
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In other energy trading, heating oil was up 4.6 cents at $2.72 per gallon while gasoline futures rose 4.7 cents at $2.73 per gallon. Natural gas slid 3 cents at $2.27 per 1,000 cubic feet.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20120611/D9VAOGU80.html

I guess that means there is around a $1 a gallon in profits floating around out there.
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« Reply #296 on: June 11, 2012, 07:55:01 AM »

Currently we are paying around $3.80 a gallon at the pump.
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20120611/D9VAOGU80.html

I guess that means there is around a $1 a gallon in profits floating around out there.

I don't believe they took taxes into consideration...

Federal, state and sometimes local taxes drive up the consumer cost!!!
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« Reply #297 on: June 11, 2012, 10:46:46 AM »

Returned from "Up North"...  gas prices fluctuated quite a bit
Range in Tawas  3.52- 3.59
Yep drove past it thinking it would be cheaper ...   :'(
Pinconning and most of the rest of the area - 3.72

 

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« Reply #298 on: June 11, 2012, 01:00:23 PM »

http://www.mackinac.org/8428
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« Reply #299 on: June 11, 2012, 03:12:31 PM »

I bought gas at Kroger in Dundee early this afternoon for $3.56.   Half hour later it was in line with all the other Dundee stations -- $3.86 ! >:(
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