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[christfollower]

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[christfollower]

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That didn't work diregard for now!

[MonroeMonkey]

Meanwhile, in Africa, children cry out to God, as parasites burrow into their eyes and stomachs, causing them extreme agony. No miracle comes and they die, which is followed by vultures picking the flesh off their bones.

Isn't it funny how God used to call down fire from heaven and do great miracles, but then video recorders come out and you can't capture a single one.

That ole' trickster God! Hiding his footsteps in the sea, as usual.

Praise the God who is ABLE to work miracles!

[MonroeMonkey]

By the way, the man who took that picture, and spent so much effort helping others, commited suicide. You would have thought a merciful angel would have stopped him, after all, he helped so many others in their times of need.

[marilyn.monroe]

God isn't causing the horror on those children, evil-doing men are!

[MonroeMonkey]

God isn't causing the horror on those children, evil-doing men are!

Evil men created the parasites eating the insides of those children, and the vulture ready to eat that kid's flesh off? Evil men created ants that take slaves, gorillas that commit infanticide, gypsy wasps that paralyze their victims, followed by its offspring eating out the insides while the creature is still alive? Right now a gazelle is wimpering and yelping as a lion sinks its teeth into its neck. I could go on and on and on with the horrors of nature.

Oh, yeah... Adam ate the magical fruit off the magical tree that the magical serpent deceived Eve into eating. I forgot... You're right! Men are creating all the suffering in the world.

[Griff]

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Oh, yeah... Adam ate the magical fruit off the magical tree that the magical serpent deceived Eve into eating. I forgot... You're right! Men are creating all the suffering in the world.

....and the serpent whispered to her, 'you will be just like God.'

Yes, men and evil are the source of chaos, hatred, torture and destruction. Not the Creator.

peace

[MonroeMonkey]

....and the serpent whispered to her, 'you will be just like God.'

Yes, men and evil are the source of chaos, hatred, torture and destruction. Not the Creator.

1 Kings 22:21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The LORD said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the LORD said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you.”

"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things." - Isaiah 45:7


Not according to your Bible. The Bible says God destroys, brings calamity, and even puts lying spirits within men; which is all nonsenses, of course. But hey, if you want to live in this fantasy world, without ever looking at reality, by all means do it.

[Griff]

Just as cold is the absence of heat, darkness is the absence of light; so it is also that evil and chaos and calamity are the absence of God.


But of course you know that; for the I Ching teaches that it is so.

peace

[MonroeMonkey]

Eastern philosophy doesn't teach chaos and calamity are the absence of God. It teaches light and darkness create each other and are the same thing; you can't have one without the other. In other words, all things are God/Tao/Buddha/Brahman.

According to the East, calamity and disaster are not good or evil, they are merely happenings, which are labeled good or evil by the discriminating mind. When the discriminating mind ceases, all things are seen as a manifestation of the same thing.

Of course, these Eastern ideas are much more sensible and in harmony with science than the Christian idea of a sky god who thoughtfully creates the world, which is followed by the Universe being cursed by the sins of intelligent primates.

Just wait until other intelligent life in the Universe realizes they suffer for the sins of Adam and Eve; and that those failed solar systems from millions of years ago were the result of the sin of two primates 6,000 years ago.

[Griff]

http://vbm-torah.org/archive/parsha68/01-68bereishit.htm

http://www.comparativereligion.com/evil.html

Seek wisdom.

Peace

[MonroeMonkey]

Thanks for the links. I'm very well versed in world religions.

There's a lot of variation on the WHY. Did you notice, on that first link, that Christianity had the longest explanation? They have it all figured out, in detail! They know God sits on a Throne, as in past times, that the people wear robes, as in past times, that they play little harps, as in past times, that there are 12 elders on both sides of the throne, etc., etc., etc... They got it all figured out, without a shred of evidence to back it.

I used to be a Christian who believed in a designer god, and that man fell, which created suffering and death. Since then I've studied Hinduism, Advaita, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Zen Buddism, etc., etc., etc.. And I have to say, Christianity, and the other Abrahamic faiths, are the most absurd and contradict science; although, the caste system in Hinduism is nonsense, as well as other Eastern ideas.



Anyways, back to the original subject.

For a God who parted waters, walked on water, resurrected the dead, called down fire from heaven, etc., etc., I'm not seeing any miracles today. You don't find any of them on video. The Bible says it's God's will that all men be saved, and that's through belief, but this God won't heal an amputee on video. It seems God only works a miracle when it cannot be proven 100% a miracle. He'll call down fire from heaven, as long as there's no cameras. What's the worst that would happen, people would believe?

Oh, wait... God doesn't want to work miracles and make it obvious so people believe, as Jesus did. He wants them to believe by *faith*. No. That's BS. That's the line of reasoning of a man trying to sell deception.

Anyone who tells you to believe in something by faith without evidence should be taken as suspect of deception.

[blueberry]

You only need the faith of a mustard seed.

[family man]

He must have nodded off when that cruise ship in Italy ran aground huh?

[blueberry]

He must have nodded off when that cruise ship in Italy ran aground huh?

God isn't a puppetmaster, he gave us free will.